The first signs of the Zionist movement came in the mid eighteen hundreds when the Rothschild banking family decided to start buying land in Palestine and then people who had farmed on it for years and whatnot.

They of course kicked them out and started sending their people over a little by little, and of course the Rothchilds had so much money that it was pretty easy for them to do.

And the Rothchilds, in fact, in the modern times, they paid for the kanesseant.

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Jason, thanks so much for joining me, brother.

I appreciate it.

Thank you for having me.

I've been looking forward to this for a while and I'm just I'm excited.

I'm excited.

I haven't talked, i haven't been on anybody else's show as just one guest in a long time.

So, oh wow, it's gonna be fun for me.

Yeah, for sure, man, And like we just we just kind of talked about it a second ago.

You know, this is a fun one for me too, and I said I'd probably say this, and I'm going to get it out right now.

You know, we're going to get into some things today that I'm not really great and versed in.

So you know, a lot of times the conversations I have with folks, I'm pretty versed in the topic or at least aspects of the topic.

This one today is going to be like me going to school too and using leaning on you and your knowledge for a lot of these things, because it's it's just not something that I've delved into a lot, maybe some fringe aspects of it, but yeah, we're really going to get into you know, kabbala and occult stuff that I'm a little bit more familiar with.

But really this this Kabbala aspect, and we talk about the cabal and the Kabbala and all these types of things.

We're going to get into some things today in the in the political arena too that you know, I just have left me scratching my head, especially with what's going on recently.

And you have spent a lot of time obviously with some of the things that I just talked about, kind of diving into these areas that I have not, So this is I've I've really been looking forward to this too, because, like I said, I'm going to be learning a lot right alongside with maybe a lot of my listeners.

So this is going to be good.

Now, I will warn everybody that you know, in for the most part, most people that listen to my show, if you're a normal listener to my show, you're going to know that you're gonna get pushed sometimes.

It's going to push you in some uncomfortable places.

If you have really hard, die hard you know, graviton to certain things you know and ideals and belief systems, especially politically.

I'm going to really ask you to put in your thinking cap today soften your shield a little bit and just be willing to entertain other ideas that may flow against what you've been taught in what you think.

Because the biggest thing that I think that you know, you and I Jason, we've talked about and have seen is everybody that's like, we have a lot of brothers and sisters that are really really locked in and they're almost putting politics and all of these other things in front of scripture and religion and their belief system, and that is really a dangerous thing to do.

So I think a lot of this show today is to really kind of break and disrupt that a little bit and really refocus the kingdom, if you will, and our brothers and sisters in a lot of ways, and talk about some of the underpinnings of some of these things.

So that's kind of what I'm excited to talk about with you today.

And like I said, brother, I'm just I'm excited you're here and I'm ready to ready to dive in whenever you are.

Well.

I hope I don't disappoint.

This is such a big topic, and yeah, for sure, you know it's hard for me to I've done so many episodes now on different aspects of it that sometimes I forget some things.

It's kind of embarrassing, but you can't remember everything.

So yeah, yeah, man, let's do it all right.

Sounds good.

Well just for starters, you know, and just want to get a little bit of your history and your background and what in the world you know, pulled you into this arena that you're now diving into and you've been diving into for quite a while.

Well, that's a great question.

My background.

I grew up going to really small Baptist churches, and just because it's related to the topic we're going to be talking about or the topics.

You know, in these little Baptist churches, you would never question anything Israel related.

You know.

It was you know, the KJV and we'rech is great and everything.

I don't have anything against it, but it was the Schofield reference Bible.

I can actually remember being a young child and there being arguments in the church between pro Schofield Bible people and the anti scho Filled Bible people, and I didn't understand it at the time.

I had no idea what it was.

And as I got older, I realized, oh, my family were the pro scho filled people.

So you know, that's that's it's related, but it's you know, it's another topic for another time perhaps, but yeah, you know, I kind of stopped going to church when I was around ten or twelve.

We would go periodically, but up until that point, I was there three four nights a week because my grandfather was one of the ministers.

And you know, long story short.

I went into my teenage years, got into rock and roll heavily, which can probably tell with the background behind me, but ended up being in a band for over ten years, almost fifteen years with my brother, and I never stopped being a Christian.

But you know, I got out in the world and I experienced things I shouldn't and saw things that I shouldn't, and you know, all that long story short, nine to eleven rolls around, and like a lot of people, it shook me.

I didn't really know hardly anything about politics.

I just started kind of listening to Michael Savage on the radio at night a little bit, and I realized he was talking about more like he wasn't as political as some of the guys where they just straight talk politics for two or three hours.

He would talk about food and different things like that.

But it seemed like he was mainly talking about how there was an assault on a lot of traditional values, and I kind of especially being in a band and seeing all these rebellious people and whatnot, I was like, Yeah, there's definitely an assault on that.

So I kind of related to that.

I'd listened to Limbaugh just a little bit but really didn't get into him at the time.

Nine to eleven happens and I it freaks me out so bad, and I start watching Fox and Seeing in religiously wait to get home and watch to switch back and forth.

Didn't even know the difference between left and right at the time, but I realized that people on CNN hated the Bush administration, so they kind of got me into that.

And long story short, I bought into everything that we were told about nine to eleven, and for several years, you know, I believed all that stuff and thought that the Bushes were good people and that we were told the truth and we had to just do anything whatever it takes to beat this Islamic menace that was about to assault the world and take everything over.

And as I started paying more and more attention to politics, I read a book called Propaganda by Edward Burnes, and it was from the Wilson well, it came after the Wilson administration, but he worked with this group that was created under the Wilson administration called the Committee on Public Information, and it was a propaganda outfit, a department that they created civically to talk the American people into going along with our great sacrifice for World War One, because up to that point we were more of a non interventionist society and we wouldn't want to be in these foreign entanglements.

So they hired artists, scientists, pastors, teachers, you name it.

It was an amazing undertaking and using all the means at their hands at the time, radio print, speeches, things like that, they talked to people into being okay with the sacrifice that they went through.

So finding all that out, Burney says in his book, after learning how to psychologically manipulate mass amounts of people that they knew then he wrote that book in nineteen twenty eight.

They had already figured out by that time how to manipulate the American people and make them do whatever they wanted them to do.

So that was an eye opener for me, and then I started paying attention to the politicians, and I'm like, hey, you know, they say one thing.

They talk a good game, but when it comes down to it, they don't deliver a lot of times.

And I started to notice how they just always were pro war.

You know, there's there's no you know, it's just a given now and no matter what, you know, I watched the Democrats go after Bush and against the war for eight years, you know, vehemently and passionately.

But as soon as Obama came in, he continued the wars and started other wars and it was even worse.

And you know, I watched the left not even care about that.

They totally shut down their anti war movement, and that was another eye opener for me.

And you know, no matter how many people Obama was killing or you know, it wasn't him directly, but it was his administration.

Sure, the Republicans and even the Christians and my fellow Christians were saying it wasn't enough, it wasn't enough.

So those kinds of things started to push me away from politics, and I got into kind of like a libertarian ish type of mindset, even kind of went into the kind of you know, what they call a right leaning anarchists where just didn't want anything to do with governments and those kinds of things.

And I don't know exactly what got me into the occult part of it, but I had been since the days of MySpace trying to talk to people about politics, and eventually I would I would blog online and go back and forth with people, argue with them, and then conversate with them as well.

And about twenty nineteen, I started doing a few videos on Instagram and this group, the Alternate Current Radio dot com.

It's an online radio station.

They have a political they do political talk shows and music and stuff like that.

And they reached out to me and they said, hey, we'd like you to do a podcast on our network.

And so I had done a few and I said, I'll give it a shot, you know.

So that was twenty nineteen.

I'm up to like two hundred and seventeen episodes now, so I started it.

So I know I'm being long winded here, but I started it.

You're not really knowing which direction to take, but I want.

I knew there was this dark occult influence in the world that I hadn't seen before.

I was becoming more and more aware of it.

So I wanted to expose that and expose the propaganda and the techniques that they used to control the masses and those kinds of things.

So that's kind of what I started to draw on and got into secret societies and tried to peel the onion back on a lot of that stuff.

And then I was finding out about these non governmental organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy and they like that.

And I realized, you know, wherever the Soros Foundation was, you would find this National Endowment for Democracy and another organization called Freedom House.

And it started looking to me like these organizations that are quasi government organizations paid for by the taxpayers, we're doing the same things that the Soros organizations were doing, helping to overthrow foreign governments and do regime changes and for men undrest in these other countries and stuff like that.

So I started getting into geopolitics.

And so now I just do whatever I feel like talking about.

You know, sometimes it's it's spiritually related, sometimes it's about a cult believe, sometimes it's about politics or geopolitics.

So I'm kind of all over the place.

But I've got several series that I'm working on, and the main one that I would that we're going to probably talk more about tonight is called those we don't speak of.

I think I'm twenty six episodes in.

I believe I could have that wrong.

But it's about everything Zionism, Cobbala, the early roots of the Jewish, you know, the modern state of Israel, how that came together, how it really came together, A lot of things that we were never told.

And I'll leave you one big thing out.

The main reason I got into that subject was because a few years ago my grandmother passed away on my dad's side, and I didn't grow up around her, and neither did my brother.

And he told me.

He said, hey, did you see her last name in the obituary?

And I said, I didn't really pay attention.

He said her maiden name is a Jewish maiden name, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

No one ever mentioned that, and so he looked it up, and sure enough it was, and he found out some information from the family, and sure enough, she came here from Germany during the Holocaust with her uncle and his family.

I don't know exactly.

We couldn't find out what happened to her family.

She never practiced, but she was a Christian, but that got me interested in looking at basically all things Judaism.

So never really thought that I would go where I ended up going, but that's just where it took me.

So started peeling back the onion on kind of what they believed, because I thought I knew what Jews believed, you know, I grew up in these Baptist churches, And turns out I had kind of a storybook level, a Bible story book level knowledge of what Judaism is today and what Jews are, you know, And I have nothing against Jews.

In fact, I was like your typical Republican Christian person.

I would defend them no matter what they did, you know, up until the last few years when I really started to look at things much deeper.

So I wanted to know what they really believed and and what is Judaism and did it has a change since the Biblical times?

And you know, and it's a huge, huge undertaking because.

Because it's only a few miles and years of history to dive into there Jason.

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, It's it was kind of like my series is.

There's no there's no exact method to it.

It's just what I was studying whatever I'm studying at the time, and I put it in that series because it's all related, because it would be hard to really go back and do everything in order.

But I've learned so much that it's just it's unbelievable.

I can't go back, you know, you can't put the tooth the top on the tooth baste unfortunately.

Yeah, just to just a branch into that.

Obviously you and do a lot of things there, but I think the main thing that you touched upon is you know, diving into the history of this this group of people.

And I'm going to challenge everybody right now that's listening to this, you know, And this is why I wanted to have this show and felt very called to have this show by the Lord.

And I think you and I, through a mutual friend through Jeremy or able to have that interaction about the Charlie Kirk event.

And you know, one of the things that I noticed through that you know, whole process and getting introduced to everybody is what your expertise was in this particular area in the areas that you've been studying.

And it's so funny because ever since then I have seen this fever pitch.

Of the two main topics that I think are being discussed very very often.

Zionism is a huge, huge topic that's being thrown about all the time now, and then Christian nationalism.

And so the one thing that I that I kind of want to go and dive into a little bit is, you know, for someone that doesn't know is hearing this term being tossed about about, like what zion is, you know, dive into that.

And I know it's kind of complicated in some ways, but there's the original intent of Zionism and where it came from, how that began, in the timeframe of it, and then what you were seeing as far as Zionism today.

Yeah, well, you know, every group, most groups, unless it's just a group that starts off with evil intentions in the beginning, you're going to have good people and bad people.

So I want to say that that's just the way life is.

Zionism started in the eighteen hundreds and it was a movement to create the Jewish state in Palestine that's there today, and it actually you had English ministers who kind of kicked it off.

A Reverend Blackstone was one of the main ones up until that point, though most Jews didn't want to go back to Palestine.

There wasn't hardly any you know, there wasn't that much there for them, and they were they want to live in different places around the world.

So this was more almost more of an Anglican Catholic idea then a Jewish idea.

If you talk to some Orthodox rabbis today, they'll tell you that they believed that the Jewish people wouldn't return to that land until their Messiah came back.

They said, it wasn't a political thing.

It was going to be a political thing or something that happens through conspiracies and lots of money being given here and there to people in power to help them.

It was going to be a spiritual thing that God would do himself.

So they actually a lot of them believe that it's not a legitimate state because of that, because it was man driven.

But money started to be put towards that very goal of somehow creating a Jewish state there, which it sounded insane at the time, I'm sure, but money can do a lot of things.

And if you have a few people who are have a lot of money and are powerful and have the same goals, you can accomplish a lot.

So it started small, and it built and built.

And what a lot of people don't understand is most of the early Zionists were not religious people.

There were some, but for the most part, these were secular people.

And in fact, many of the early leaders of Zionism were socialists and had been Communists because they came from Europe where a lot of that stuff was popular.

Ben Gearyon, David Ben Gurion was the first PM, and he was the leader of the Socialist Labor Party in Israel.

So when they first started, you know, they started with a very left leaning kind of majority of the people who were in power.

But it just starts it off with a lot of people wanting to with the have I think now that I've looked at it for so long, I've kind of been able to kind of change my mind go back and forth on some of the reasons.

Now I believe that some of these people wanted to have an empire that they could create in the Middle East too, because there were a lot of wealthy people.

You know, you usually only hear about the Jews who lived in the ghettos and these type of things, but there was a lot of wealthy business owners and bankers and people like that who were pushing Zionism more so than even the smaller time people.

So I believe that they had an idea that they wanted to create an empire there.

The interesting thing to me there is that it's not this was not a religious.

Movement, right.

I'm like, right, I agree, you know, because I think the thinking is, oh, this is we're re establishing, you know, the land that God gave us.

You know, it's been over time, basically been taken.

We've had our you know, Palestine.

It's been named Palestine after the Philistines, which is true from what I understand, and you can correct me if I'm wrong there.

You know, we've had a lot of history here.

The Romans got fed up with us, you know that they're the ones that named it this.

We've been flushed out of this area.

And so I think the connotation and the thinking is that this, at least from my aspect of it, and I don't know how many people would agree with this, but that this was a callback that God is bringing his people back to the homeland.

And it seems like this actually, based on what you're saying, was not necessarily the case.

While God may be kind of using it for that.

I don't know, that's you know, God up to God to say one way or the other.

That's not necessarily the case.

So I think that's rather interesting.

Yeah, well I was very surprised to find out all about that, you know, And it's kind of interesting when you think of the term today in modern times, to that could mean that you are really just that could mean that you are you know, some people use it to say you're you're from Israel.

You know, that's a nationality.

Almost some people say it's an ethnicity, you know, and quickly I just want to say this.

I said this the other day on a podcast, but it just occurred to me one day.

You know.

I talk about propaganda because it's so powerful, and a lot of people think in terms of propaganda.

They'll think of the opposition, you know, it's just the Democrats, you know, they're the ones that dish the propaganda or the other way.

But a lot of propaganda comes from our own groups, our own parties the most effective propaganda and we never even think about it because they fill our heads with things that we want to hear, you know, promises of revenge or justice or these kinds of things.

And so I believe that a lot of propaganda that came out of the Zionist movement, and still comes out of the Zionist movement, maybe even more more so today, is so powerful because it's not just like it's a religion, just it's not an ethnicity, it's not a nationality.

It's all three and all three of those things are very emotionally driven things that people will fight over kill over even and have.

So yeah, so they have three things going for them there that they can use to propagandize their own people.

So I want to say that first because a lot of these people are have been brought up in this for centuries, thinking that they're chosen better than everyone else.

They deserve these things, you know, and they'll tell you.

You can see this on social media if you unfortunately pay too much attention to it.

But going back to Zionism, yes, a lot of these people were secular.

Most of them were secular, and they would use they went to because they realized the potential to use the religious mythos or stories however you want to say it.

They realized the potential there and so they would use when they when it was convenient they would use these, but most of them were not religious.

In fact, a lot of people would not believe this today, but if they look it up, it's true.

There's only been one religious Israel Israeli Prime Minister naf Tally Bennett, and he was the one that was I think he only had one term a few years ago in between one of BB's terms when he wasn't the PM.

Bib is not a religious Jew, He's a secular Jew.

He did say in his book that he studied tal Mood with a rabbi, Aden Steinsaltz, which was a very popular rabbi.

But the tal Mood you don't have to be religious to leaving the talel Mood.

It's a very legalistic book.

It's basically what it is, the set of books.

But anyway, that being said, yeah, and I think that you'll it's not a surprise really when you kind of see how many Jews today are very liberal or just agnostic or atheist.

There's a lot of atheist Jews, you know.

Today.

It's just the way it is.

It leans very liberal.

And the reason I believe that that is is because there's no absolutes in Judaism and that's gonna make a lot of people mad.

But I've spent a lot of time and researching this.

And the reason I say that is because I quote rabbis, Because in my series I use eighty to probably eighty five percent is from Jewish authors, rabbis, their books and speeches.

That's where I get the information.

This is what they're being taught.

Yes, and so their mishnah, which is like I want to relate it to the tall mood it's said in there, and this was pre Kabbala and all that that.

The Torah, you know, which they call the first five books of the Bible, has each verse has up to seventy meanings.

So then you get into the capitalistic times and they a lot of those rabbis would say it has endless meanings and you can interpret it however you need to for the time to fit the times.

So that's something that needs to be put out there because most people don't understand that anything that if it can mean anything, it doesn't mean you know, if it can mean anything you want, does it really mean anything at all?

I guess this is what I'm trying to say.

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Which, Now, just for anybody who's not familiar with this, or maybe you've heard this term before, just so we can do a quick explanation, please explain the tale mood to everybody that is maybe not familiar with.

This, Well, the Tawl mood is a set of sixty I want to say, sixty two books, and what it is is commentaries on the first five books of the Bible.

Yeah, the tool itself.

And Jesus spoke of this, it was before the tal mood was officially put together.

He called it the tradition of the elders, you know.

He said that he chastised the Pharisees and said they were following the traditions of men, and this was the beginnings of the tallmod And that is another thing that's very interesting to me is he condemned the Pharisees, probably more harshly than anyone.

And the Pharisees actually where they are creating what is now Judaism today, it's a direct line from the Pharisees.

After the Second Temple was destroyed, you had Rabbinic Judaism, which that was another version of Judaism.

A lot of people I never thought about that.

I never knew anything, and I was never taught that in church.

But they had to create a different system because they no longer had the Temple, because their whole religion revolved around the temple.

Yeah, so you created the rabbinic class, and the rabbinic class let the power go to their heads.

They really started to feel that they were They felt that they were just as prophetic as you know, Jesus and the disciples.

I mean, they still do to this day.

A lot of the writings, even up to current times, they look at as holy Torah, were living Torah.

So that's another thing that's very hard for most people to understand that they have glorified these men to the point that they are like saints.

And I realized that catholic you know, Catholicism has saints and things like that, and they have some of those guys have written some really great books and things that we can go back and look, this strengthens our faith and whatnot.

But if they wrote something that went against the faith, then we would still speak up and say, well, look this this is heresy.

You know, this is going against what Jesus said or the tenets of our faith or you know those kinds of things.

But these guys, they have so much leeway.

They can interpret things just about any way they want, and especially to fit their politics or to fit the social issues that they may be wanting to push and it's hard to argue with somebody who can say our holy books can say whatever they want.

You know, that's that's tough.

Yeah, it's it's and it just just to tie this s into some things that we're seeing now of how these rabbinic writings are really throwing a wrench into the works.

And again, Jason, this is more your arena than mine, but it seems to be what's caused some of the problems with like the red heifer sacrifice is you know, there's one camp where you have the American that actually owns the cow, all the cows, who has said you have fulfilled Torah, you have full filled actually scripture, and then because of the Rabbitic writings and all of these other Talmudic writings, the rabbis actually say, well, no, we haven't.

And so we have this almost this fracturing that's happened inside of that where you know, it's going to be really difficult for them to actually get a red heifer that's willing to you know, qualified to be sacrificed because they have used the Talmud to put so many restrictions and additional things that need to be done in order to fit the rabbitic writings versus just what would be checking scripture in Torah.

So it seems to be a good example of how the taln mood has really complicated one particular issue, let alone a bunch of different issues.

Is that Is that a fair statement?

Absolutely yes.

And what a lot of people don't understand too is and I again had no idea, is a lot of these young people who go on to be rabbis or you know, they could be in any profession, and they are taught the Torah, the first five books of the Bible through the lens of the talent mood.

They don't even read most of the times the actual Tora.

There's a few lines that they'll say in church in their synagogue, but that's just like a memorization type of thing.

They don't actually consult the real Torah.

They consult the taalel mood.

I've read on my show from multiple rabbis saying that the Talmudis are the most important books.

You know, it's not just one book.

It's like I said, I think it's sixty two or something like that, but it's more important than the actual Tora.

That if they talk about this living Torah.

They talk about the oral law, which is the Talmod supposedly, and they're open about it.

The oral law is more important than the actual written Torah.

And they try to claim that the oral law goes back to Moses.

And the deal is they that when Moses went up on the mountain, God gave him an oral law and then he gave him the law to write down.

And you know, every now and then and then you'll actually read from an honest rabbi who will say, no, that's not the truth.

You know, we wrote the We wrote the Talmod over a long period of time, and that's well known.

That's you know, it's very well known that it wasn't finished for many, many years.

And there's a Jerusalem Talmod, Palestinian Talmod, and a Babylonian Talmood, and the Babylonian Talmod is the main Talmod, which I think is very interesting because we hear a lot about mystery Babylon, the mystery Babylon religion.

And I said to my show recently, which I'm probably wrong about this, but wouldn't it be interesting if Mystery Babylon is right there in the Talmod?

And how many Christians know about the talmod or know what's in it.

You know, it would be most rabbis don't even know what everything that's in it because it's so many books.

But most people are clueless, and you know, they have no idea what's in there, and they have no idea how much that these rabbis respect the teal nut.

Yeah, it's it's not coincidence at all.

When you said that, it made me sadly giggle.

I guess is because what I see there is we see a continued pattern that we can see all throughout scripture of the drawing close to the Lord and then falling away.

And every time they would fall away, it was always to chase after the gods of the Babylonians basically or some other false god.

Right, a lot of times it would be the same gods as the Babylonians, same practices as the Babylonians.

I mean when they get taken out of the Babylonian exile, right that they literally go back in and they make sure that they can't repeat some of the same things that cause them to go into the Babylonian exile, and they fill the valley of getting on with trash and like on fire, so they can't sacrifice their children, it would be impure, and all these different things, And so it doesn't surprise me that we have this cyclical pattern that is now repeated again today with them falling back into kind of a Babylonian way of operating.

So one of the things they kind of want to dive into a little bit, And we're going to rewind and go back to kind of Cabala and all that here in a little bit, but I want to kind of look at it through the lens of the current administration, current times from this particular topic of Zionism.

So we kind of talked about how Zionism began.

What are you seeing now when we talk about Zionism, because it's getting tossed up all the time, and it seems to be a very huge point of division that's being propagandaized and nurtured in a lot of ways versus what we had before.

Is it similar different or what do you see there.

Similar that?

And as a like when it would originally began.

Compared to like how it originally began, and like, is there a difference between what we see now versus how it began and how do you see it being used in that division.

No, I think it's exactly the way it was.

Then.

It's really another really interesting thing that I found once I started to investigate this stuff is the early Zionists were absolutely honest about their goals.

They talked about being colon colonialists.

You're not even supposed to say that.

People will say that you're anti Semitic if you say they're colonial colonialists.

Sorry my mouth is dry, but but they openly talked about that.

ZEEV Jabutinsky was the revisionist Zionist leader, and in one of his famous speeches called the Iron Wall, I believe that's the one he openly talks about being colonialists.

They talk about.

The leaders will talk about, yes, we're taking the Arabs land, and because we're colonialists and we're going to do it no matter what, they're just going to have to deal with it.

I mean, they were very open about that.

One thing that I should have mentioned is really the first signs of the Zionist movement.

The first real changes came in the mid eighteen hundreds when the Rothschild banking family decided to start buying land in Palestine, and they were what they call absent tenant landowners, Arab landowners.

They bought some of the land from them, and then people who had farmed on it for years and whatnot.

They of course kicked them out and started sending their people over little by little and just started taking over more and more and more.

And of course Rothschild had so much money that it was pretty easy for them to do.

And the Rothchild, of fact, in the modern times, they've bought, they paid for the Kanesset, the actual Kanesse you see all the time, They've paid for a national library, memorial gardens.

They've put so much money into Israel.

It's just unbelievable.

And I think most people aren't aware of that.

Yeah, and that went into just for clarity for everybody, if you're not familiar with what the Kanesset is.

Effectively, it's like our capitol Hill.

Yeah, for all intents and purposes.

It's their version of it.

Their governance structure is a little different than ours because they have a prime minister instead of president, but that's effectively their capitol Hill.

Now, what are the things too with?

And I was told this by someone else.

I want to just bounce this off to you and see if this was an accurate statement or an inaccurate statement.

It seems like this last time when net and Yahoo actually was elected, he actually was kind of riding in on this new wave of religious party that has kind of come to power.

Who really has especially a few of them, I want to say, it's like the equivalent of their defense minister.

He seems to be very outspoken, especially in like wanting to take back the Temple Mount.

Yeah, is that an accurate statement?

And by all means dive into that a little bit.

Yeah, I mean there's definitely a push to take the Temple Mount back.

There is several organizations and I'm blanking on the main one that actually have there's tunnels under the Temple Mount and they've already got this seat for the elders ready to go.

They've they've got it all decorated and ready.

Is it the Temple Institute yet?

Temple Institute, thank you very much?

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a couple others that work with them, but that's the main one for sure.

And yeah, there is a push for that.

You know.

I told my wife, I said, if you ever see the al Axamosque blow up, you know that.

I mean, I'm not saying it's in times, but there's going to be a holy warl like you've never seen in modern times, for sure.

But they're you know, they're definitely wanting to do that, and it so bbe.

He's in the like Cood Party, if I remember correctly, the Like Cood Party, and that was started by or at least uh influenced by the guy I mentioned earlier, Zev Jabatinski.

He was a guy from Poland.

I mean, hardly any of the leaders there are from the Middle East.

Most of these guys are Eastern Europeans from different places, and Zev was a He was the guy who said we need to take Israel by force, and he was kind of competing with David Ben Gurien, who was more of a socialist, more of a He wanted to do it at least diplomatically quasi diplomatically, but Jabatinski was like, we're going to do it.

He actually had his troops train because he was a big fan of fascism.

This sounds crazy, but it's absolutely true.

I've got Jabatinsky's a book about him.

It's a pro Jabatinsky book.

But his troops went over to Italy and trained on one of Mussolini's bases.

They actually would call Jabatinsky the Jewish Mussolini.

But that being said that the like Coot Party is a right leaning party and more right than our conservative party here.

It's wow, yeah, but yeah exactly.

But they're not the worst ones.

There's the I believe it's I can't remember the actual name in Hebrew, but it's something like the Israel Power Party.

It translates in English.

And so those two parties this last time they joined together.

And that party has some of these hardcore Rabbis who are you know, they're basically supremacists.

They're Jewish supremacists.

There's no other way to say it.

Certain interrupting, is it atsmot?

You'd hit yes, yep, that is that the party.

I just did a quick search up yep.

Okay, I can never remember that.

I'm terrible.

Don't blame me.

I wouldn't be able to do it either.

You know, when he first got re elected this last time, there was huge protests and they tried to keep those out of the Western media, but it was it was pretty bad.

I I wondered if the government would be overthrown, but they somehow got it underway, and a lot of people.

You know, I don't want to get into conspiracies, but a lot of people said because of October seventh, that was the best thing that happened to b B.

Because he's he's not only did they want to get rid of him because they didn't approve of him, but he's under these you know, he's got charges, different charges for I can't remember if it's bribery or what it is, but you know, he's had to go to court several times, and Trump's asked the Israeli government to forgive him, to pardon him.

Oh wow, So anyway, I'm sorry, I'm getting off track here.

No, No, you're fine.

We're gonna letd up going there anyway.

So by all means we'll get there, but go ahead.

But no.

Yeah, so this they definitely it's a very I mean, there's no other way to really describe it.

These guys are supremacists and they really don't care who knows it, you know, And it blows my mind that so many of our fellow Christians support this kind of thing because of these guys do not like Christians.

And this is another huge thing that I wanted to get out there.

So the Orthodox, all the Orthodox are capitalists.

From what I can understand, they all practice Kabbala.

And it's not just the Orthodox, the Reform jew Jews they practice kabala too.

There's a very popular Reform rabbi over there, Michael Lateman, and he's written tons of books about Kabbala, and even the Conservative Jews.

Now I've done some research online and you can find where they're teaching things about the Kabbala.

So when people see these these Orthodox guys, I don't think they realize quite what all they believe, you know.

And and the Kabbala even goes further and says that the Torah has as many meanings as you wanted to have, basically, and it gets as crazy as any occult belief system.

And so in the Kabbala they teach that the that I don't know, excuse me, I got a shorten my mic.

This came about, I think this from what I can tell, this belief came about in the Middle Ages that Christians and Rome because they see Rome as the ultimate evil, because they say Rome destroyed the Second Temple.

They are called the descendants the offspring of Edom.

And many people remember Edom in the Old Testament.

Yes, and so they say that they are esau Edom and Christianity, and all of the West are esau and Edom, and that America, as they say, will fall because they are the enemies of the Jews.

You know, that's the way they look at us, even though we've done so much.

I mean, who could have done more for them than this country.

It's unbelievable that they see us like that.

But you know, and some of these rabbis are very open about it.

They're very adamant about and I've got videos, I've played clips on the show and stuff.

But they see us as the ultimate enemy because of that temple and that rabbi that I spoke of just a second ago, the Reform Rabbi Michael Lateman.

I read a book by him recently, and he had a story in there that I thought was interesting.

He dedicated a whole lot of time to it, actually, and he says that really Rome didn't really even destroy the Second Temple.

He said that what actually was the downfall was, yes, they were trying to get into the temple and breach the walls, but there was inner fighting between the Jews inside.

There were different factions.

And he goes into detail about this, and one of the factions started burning the grain.

So then a famine came upon the people, and then people really started to fight, and people started going mad and doing all kinds of stuff.

And he's got quotes in there by these different Roman generals and Roman higher up people in the military, and they say when they got through the walls finally that they said, one in particular, we could have never hurt the Jews as badly as they've heard each other there the they were astonished, the Romans at what they had done to each other.

There was cannibalism and all kinds of horrible things.

In Laytman's book, he's basically saying in it it actually is sounds right to me that if they actually followed God's directions and listen to God, that these things wouldn't have happened to them.

So yeah, that's I guess his reason for writing the book, which I can't I can't argue with that.

Well, the tracks about what you know, with what we see of the you know, religious system at the time, it's completely corrupted obviously because you're if you're talking, you know, forty years after Christ was you know here, which hasn't happen Stance coincidence either that it's about forty years.

I find it to be not ironic at all, because we're talking about seventy I think it's like seventy eight D.

Right, So, you know, they can blame Rome all they want, but they were so corrupted by the time even Jesus came along.

And it was really through the Greeks that all the corruption had begun because they had removed the ironic priesthood and basically, you know, smeared pig The Greeks had smeared pig blood on the you know, and the temple, and you know, went through the whole process of selling the priesthood to the highest bidder, and you know, all these other things.

And so that's the thing that we don't get in the Bible is by the time you leave the Old Testament, you skip over all of that.

So you go from you know, a an established and understood RABBINICX structure that had been in place forever as far as the Levite priests and stuff.

And then by the time you get into the New Testament, you know, you have the Romans on the scene.

So you skipped over a tremendous amount of history in the in the in the Bibles, and that that backstory is really important for the setup of everything that we're talking about.

You know, that that happened here, so that pretty much tracks with with what we know of the corruption of the the priesthood by that particular point.

So it's an interesting take on his part.

Yeah, and you know, it's going to be difficult for some people to kind of understand because, like I said, I had a Bible story book, a kid's Bible story book level of knowledge about Judaism and what it is today.

And pretty much everything in the Bible for that mark for that matter.

Yeah, right, that's pretty sad.

We were all taught the same way, which is we weren't.

Yeah.

Yes, but if you think about it, we mentioned how, you know, when Moses went up on the mountain to receive the Ten Commandments, you know, he comes down, I think we talked about this in the phone briefly.

He comes down and they've already turned their back on God, you know, and they're worshiping these pagan deities and doing all kinds of stuff, and then God severely punishes them several times in the Bible for doing these kinds of things.

You know, he tells them their house has been made desolate.

I mean, I've got a bunch of different verses in there where he is just it's he's unloading on them.

It's it's unbelievable.

And I don't ever remember hearing that in church, and maybe I did at some point, just pay attention, but I think those things need to be remembered.

It's not that, you know, of course, we would want anything bad to happen to anyone just because they're Jewish.

I wish Jewish people all the best, but I also don't believe that they should be able to take over and try to rule over other people unjustly and push these talmutic beliefs that are not that they're you know, the traditions of men and so yeah.

So I think if people will look at all the things that they did and the Bible and we're punished for, why would they think that they are better today?

And that's one of the things I just wanted to point out that at least the leaders and the leaders of both the country if you want to call it that state, and the synagogues, why would we think that they're better today?

Because look at the shape our church is in it's not better today, I would argue.

So I think that's just the way of the world.

And I've gone I was going to a Calvary church for a couple of years and right around the COVID, Well, we were going there before COVID hit, and I got to say they stayed open through COVID and that was great, and a lot of the stuff the pastor said I agreed with and everything.

But they would go through the Old Testament.

They'd go through the whole Bible like yearly, I think, in or every couple of years.

But he got so political that it became I just had to stop going.

You know, he was literally telling people Russia is about to attack Israel, and you know, and you know, he would read these stories about God punishing Israel.

But then he would turn around and he would always like end it with, but we need to support them.

You don't want to go against what God wants, and you don't want to go against God's people.

And he just kept getting more and more political.

And I looked him up and he had a podcast that was outside the church, and it was the most political thing I've ever heard in my life.

And he almost strictly read from the Jerusalem Posts in the different Israeli websites, and you know, it's just and that church was growing by leaps and bounds.

They're building new buildings right now.

It's unbelievable.

But really feeling these people's heads full of untruths and teaching them to support this it's really at the end of the day, it's a government, a foreign government.

He's teaching them to support blindly.

And most people don't know anybody in that government except b B.

But they sure as heck are convinced that they're the most righteous, good people that they've ever you know, that they ever lived, you know, And it's like, right, it's like just think about I mean, I tell people, look, most Americans don't trust at least half of their own government, you know, because they've got to split into two parties.

So why would you trust a whole government?

Yeah, if you don't know anything about you know, use a little common sense here.

Yeah, it's kind of terrifying, right, And like, you know, I think I've been just so disillusioned with the whole political system.

It's so funny to these poles even have been taken over and I see some of these poles that I just laugh at them now, but you know, it's it's it's the system is so broken and so corrupted and so obviously broken and corrupted.

It's like, how could you how could you take any of this serious and like pay pay attention to the propaganda that is just being spoon fed to you and like shoved in your face.

Yes, and I see this, you know, and and and the Zionism thing is becoming a huge point of contention, and so I think that was really important for us to talk about and kind of explains.

So hopefully that's helped people kind of understand what this is.

What are some things that you have seen the Israeli government do that are completely you know, non scriptural, where it's like why are we why are we supporting this?

If you could provide like some clear cut examples of that, Well, the main thing is just there.

They have a system where they call it mowing the grass, and they just will go in and just annihilate areas.

They don't look for civilians, they don't care about that kind of stuff.

They just go in there and they call it mowing the grass.

Collective they have collective punishment.

They have a system called the gospel.

They have several systems that are AI driven and it will follow people too, and they wait to the people get to their homes suspected hamas or people they don't like.

It kills the whole family, whoever they go home to, It destroys the whole house.

Those are the kinds of things that they do.

And people don't understand that a lot of these wars that they've gotten into, you know, we're always they have what I call permanent victim status, you know, they and that allows them to do anything they want.

And the reason they have that is because they are somehow totally protect almost totally protected in the media here.

The media never shows all the horrible things that they do.

You know, you really have to look for it.

I mean, people were starting to see that in TikTok on TikTok, and they had to get TikTok.

They told us China, we got to buy TikTok because China's is spying on us, like they're not spying on us, right, And we were told, don't say that the Jews are trying to buy TikTok.

But then you would have Steve Minuchin.

He was the first guy I saw a Jewish fellow who was in the Trump administration.

Trump appointed him to the Treasury last time around.

He was a Soros guy.

I never thought i'd see the day where the Republicans would have a Soros guy as a treasurer and think that it was a good thing.

But you know, he was the one that said we're getting a group together of investors to buy TikTok.

Now, I don't know if that was the same group that actually originally or ended up buying it out.

I think that Larry Ellison actually had something to do with that, and he's another Jewish fellow who's given tons of money to Israel.

But that's the main thing.

I mean, they have a saying from the Talmod called rise and kill first, and so they believe that you it's a godly thing to kill somebody if they might kill you.

And that's kind of you could say that about anybody.

Hey, my neighbor might he's thinking about killing me, So I'm gonna go over there and cut his throat in his sleep, you know, which is horrible to say, but I'm just saying.

You know, you could say that you could use that kind of mentality.

So that's the main thing.

That's it's just they still live in this tribalistic world that goes it does go back to Old Testament times.

There's still in that mindset that that they are the chosen.

Everyone else has to go if they get you know, if they get in the way, you know, they teach that and this is crazy.

And I thought it was crazy too until I saw a couple of rabbis say it.

Then I looked it up.

They say that when the emotionac that's the Messiah comes back, every Jew will have twenty eight hundred non Jews to he will lead, to teach Tora two and to do whatever else.

Basically slaves, I call them tourist slaves.

That they're so they the way they think of other people, and it's not just Palestinians or Arabs, it's everyone else.

And not every Jew thinks this way about any means.

But in their teachings, this is in their holiest of holy books, they teach these things that are just horrible towards other people.

That's the reason that I believe in my heart of hearts, it's not the only reason, but that they've been kicked out of so many different places because once the people that live there start to realize that the tell mood speaks horribly of other people, and then they basically teach that they're going to take over.

They realized these people are here to infiltrate us and take us over.

They see it as a threat, you know, And so I think that that's that's part of that.

Yeah, and again, you know, challenging, challenging.

Everybody listening to this or watching, you know, don't take our word for it.

You've heard me say eighty million times.

Just go listen for yourself, Go dive in and dig into some of these things yourself and verify things for yourself.

Do not accept what is being spoon fed to you.

And the other thing too is watch the actions and weigh it against scripture.

If it is not in line with scripture and what God says is and is not okay, then it's not okay.

Right.

It doesn't matter who is perpetuating it.

They don't get a magic hall pass just because they are God's chosen people quote unquote, Yes, they are God's chosen people, no doubt about that.

If you belong to one of the twelve tribes, you are of God's chosen people.

I'm not going to deny that for two seconds.

But wickedness is wickedness no matter who is perpetuating it, whether it's a non Jew, you know, a gentile or a Jew, it doesn't make any difference.

God has very clearly outlined the rules of the playing field for everybody and every single one of us, so it doesn't just give them a magic hall pass.

And I can only think really of two nations on this planet that probably could get away with anything, and have gotten away with anything that they really want to do to their enemy, and not face any kind of true international condemnation to the point of punishment.

And one of them is them, and the other one is us.

And that's the truth.

And if anybody, if anybody hood he wants to get upset about that, then you're lying to yourself and you're not being honest.

And this show is not about taking a shot out and taking a hit against Israel.

It's not about that.

It's about speaking the truth of the situation and having our eyes of it.

The one thing that I really want to have come out of this is just the truth.

My whole point of spiritual warfare is to seek the truth, because we cannot fight in a spiritual warf We don't even know that, you know, if our compass doesn't point towards the truth and towards you know, Heaven, so and the Father and his will, and so that's what this is about.

And ultimately, I think we're seeing a lot of evil that is being done.

I think we got a good glimpse of it.

And with the whole Pager deal, I remember watching that happen and honestly, I said to my wife, I'm like, that is wickedly brilliant.

And it's not the first time they've done that, you know.

I mean, you have to look at it from the ruthless nature of what it was, and they have no control over who that's going to blow up.

But who's standing there at the time, or how bad someone innocent could be hurt, you know, whoever's wearing that device at that particular time you're getting blown up.

Yeah, and this kind of thing.

It goes back so when there was occupied Palestine, when the Brits took it over, and I do believe the British government probably had some selfish intentions from taking it from the Ottoman Turks.

I think they thought, just from the research that I've done, that they thought, this is the land of the three major religions, and if we can control this, that's a lot of power.

And they didn't realize what was going to happen.

So when they took it over, they started letting Jews come in, because it was like ninety percent Arabs and ten percent Christians or so at that time.

You know, as you know, it's the oldest place for Coptic Christians is in that area.

So there is a small percentage of Christians.

They've almost all been ran out now, but it was a long time place for Christians and Arabs and they lived there for the most part peacefully until Israel, you know, modern Israel.

When the Bridge took it over, they were trying to police it, you know, and do things and let people in so much at a time because you just let people flood in, it was gonna get insane.

You know.

You gotta feed people, you gotta have bathrooms, you gotta have all this health care and stuff like that.

And the Zionists started forming these terrorist organizations, the Leahy, the oh gosh, there were several, the Stern Gang, the Stern Gang maybe the lay heat that maybe the other name for it, but there were two or three different terrorist organizations.

They started attacking the British soldiers.

The British had just opened it up for them, but they wanted them to just let everybody in, so they started bombing and assassinating the British British soldiers and there, and you can actually go on YouTube and see this black and white BBC footage of them talking about it in newsreels.

But they eventually bombed the King David Hotel and it killed ninety some people.

Some of them they even killed were Jews.

And if you look to this day, a lot of times Pete Heekseth when he went over to Jerusalem right after he was appointed, he spoke at the King David Hotel.

A lot of these diplomats go over there because they rebuilt it.

And the guys that blew up the hotel and did all these different terrorist actions and assassinated leaders and different things like that, they're hell up Is heroes in Israel.

They have a museum dedicated to them.

Their graves are places where these guys go and they praised them and they put rocks on their graves.

And these guys were murderers.

So if you really look at it, They created what is modern day terrorism a long time ago, and most people aren't aware of that.

It's they even, I mean, it gets wild.

They even they wanted to assassinate Church Hill.

They had planned to drop bombs on British Parliament.

They actually hired an airplane pilot to do that, and he thought better of it, and then he went and told the authorities.

They tried to get poisonous mail delivered to Truman before he finally, you know, gave in and helped them to create the state.

But it's just crazy what they were doing.

And almost no one here in the United States knows about it.

No, I'd never heard of this before until you brought it up today.

I pulled this up and this is Wikipedia, and you can just go, you know here and look for yourself.

It's l e Hi Layheed, just so you're looking.

Officially, The Fighters for the Freedom of Israel pejoratively known as the Stern Gang, as Jason just said, was a Zionist paramilitary militant organization founded by Avraham Yar Stern in what was known as Mandatory Palestine.

Its avowed aim was to evict British authorities from Palestine and by use of violence, allowing unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state.

So if you think Jason's making all that up, Wikipedia says he's not.

So.

But this goes on and I'm going to read this because this will kind of highlight the thinking of this organization.

Lay He split from the Irgun militant group in nineteen forty in order to continue fighting the British during World War II.

It initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain.

Lay He twice attempted to form an alliance with the Now He's proposing a Jewish state based on nationalists and totalitarian principles and linked to the German Reich by an alliance.

After Stern's death in nineteen forty two, the new leadership of Leahy began to move towards support for Joseph Stalin's Soviet Union and the ideology of national Bolshevism, which was considered an amalgam of both right and left.

Regarded themselves as revolutionary socialists, the new lay He developed a highly original ideology combining almost mystical belief in Greater Israel with support for the Arab liberation struggle.

The sophisticated ideology failed to gain public support, and lay he feared fared poorly in the first Israeli elections.

So effectively, this was all they started and were founded in nineteen forty and dissolved by forty eight.

But if you think like I said, Jason speaking that up, go on Wikipedia and read for yourself.

So there you go.

Yeah, the other group you mentioned it, Irgun, they were formed.

I don't know if he formed them, but the fella I mentioned before, he was the Zionist leader ze Javitinski.

I think that he formed it or he was one of the early leaders.

But yeah, they were one of those terrorist organizations.

And several people went on to be pms in high level leaders in the Israeli government from these terrorist organizations.

So that's you know, and again you go back.

A lot of the early Zionists were socialists and had been Communists, and I'm sure some were probably Communist leaning.

And you know, I didn't talk about this because its kind of a different subject, but I think you briefly mentioned it.

The Bolshevik Revolution is a whole another.

You know, you're not supposed to say this, but most of the leaders of the Bolsheviks were Jewish.

They just were.

Now most of them were secular Jews, Jews, but they were Jewish.

That's just the way it is.

And it's not so hard to believe when you think about, Well, Marx was obviously Jewish, and no, he wasn't a practicing Jew, but he came from a family of rabbis.

You know, he was Jewish, and he started all that.

It's like Dennis Prager says, Jews started all the isms, and they really did, you know, if you start to think about it, most of the isms, even with like you take an objectivism, that's an rand.

Her real name is last name is Rosenbaum.

Milton Friedman's known as the the great classic liberal who served under Reagan.

Oddly enough, who Marx I mentioned.

The most popular libertarians, Murray Rothbard and others are Jewish.

So Preger's right about that.

They really did seem to start all these isms.

And I can also relay that back to Kabbala, because they're taught in Kabbala that their goal is to repair the world.

It's called tikin Olam and so that is every Jew's goal, and hey, that sounds great.

Repair the world.

Do your best, go out and do works that are good.

Anyway, we as Christians, we don't believe that works will save us, but we believe that is part of our faith, you know, to do good things, but they're more work based, and you know, it's I guess it's what I'm trying to say is what one person says is doing good works may not necessarily be good works to other people.

And it seems like their good works so often are really about building up this foreign government and this foreign nation, you know, the things that they do, and you're called an anti Semite for suggesting that they care more about that place than the United States or Britain or wherever they're from.

But a lot of them are That's all they want to talk about is Israel.

So it's like you can tell that they're obsessed with this, yet they're American citizens or British citizens or whatever.

They're telling you that they care about it more.

Basically, and if you if you say they shouldn't be dual citizens, that you're an anti Semit there.

It's like you can't win.

It's like, why would any country.

Why would the citizens of any nation want their their representatives so called, to be able to be citizens of their nation and another nation.

That's insane to me, you know.

Yeah, So I guess to let's dive into the Cabbala ask aspect a little bit.

And I want to come back because I want to also get into the the current administration and what's going on in the partnership with Israel and what you see is going on there.

But in order to do that, let's let's dive back into Kabbala itself.

So for anyone that's heard of this before, I've heard of it, but I don't know much about it, and I haven't studied much about it.

And you've touched upon it a little bit, But just if you could dive deeper into that and explain what really this is, its birthplace and kind of all of the underpinnings of it.

Yeah, So it's a big it's a big subject.

I mean, it is humongous.

It's never ending, and you know, we know about it a little bit because Madonna was a capitalist at the Kabala Center in New York a few years ago.

And I think Rosie O'Donnell and a few celebrities now, and that's when I first started hearing about kabala.

I've never even heard of it before.

But it's a lot more than that.

It's they'd claim that it started again.

A lot of them will say goes back to Moses, and Moses was handed to kabbala, or they'll even say that Adam was given kabbala by God and handed it down from generation to generation.

But from what I can understand, it started in medieval times.

Now, they may have had oral traditions that are not traceable before that that were mystical, but it really seemed to me after you know, all these different after the times where all these people really the printing press.

I think that's what spurred it on, because people started finding out about other religions and they could read about these other belief systems, and of course you had the Reformation that kind of opened up things in a certain way.

So they basically they call it the kabbala means the receiving, and they have a bizarre way they look at God and it's almost so complicated it's hard to express, but basically they it's a mystical magical.

It's as a cult as any other new Age Gnostic Secret Society.

It's as a cult as all of that.

And they have a lot of the same beliefs divination, reincarnation, uh, amulet magical amulets, spells, uh.

They teach that you can use, and they have they have all these different names for God.

Yes, yes, I mean effectively.

I mean that's all you that you just described pretty much.

Yeah, and I assume that they took some of those beliefs maybe fromm that time period.

You know, a lot of that stuff was handed down.

Let me say this real quick before we go right back to that, because a lot of people I always thought when the Jews gave in and went and started worshiping these pagan gods, it was like a short period of time they just kind of, you know, veered off to the right a little bit or left or whatever you want to call it, and got confused.

No, I mean there's several instances instances where they worshiped these people, these pagan gods for several hundred years.

So this one just like a short period of time.

This was it had to at least I think it had to have carried on to some point into modern day in their culture.

I mean King Solomon's probably their highest, the most lauded king of all time, and he made altars to these pagan gods.

You know, he put a lot of effort into it.

Yeah, this was one of the failings at the end of his life.

Yeah, was this.

And just just for clarity, I want to say that the Northern the kingdoms, because you have a Northern Kingdom of Israel for anybody that's not familiar in a Southern kingdom, right, you have Judah, and then you have the northern tribes right of actual Israel, they would consider themselves Israel.

And then you have Judah and Benjamin that were Jerusalem area.

You know, I think the kingdom or Solomon died in like nine twenty two BC or somewhere in that time frame nine hundred and something BC.

And you know, we have the Northern Kingdom that we can read in scripture that's being warned as with the Southern Kingdom, and over and over and over and over again, you better turn from your wicked ways or I'm going to wipe you out.

And all of the prophets, you can read all of the prophets, pre exilic prophets before we had the exile and post Exilic, you know, warning the same stuff because we're falling into the same traps.

But you know, we have the Northern Kingdom that's the first to go.

They get taken out by the Assyrians and like seven twenty two BC.

So just to highlight your point, you know, this has now gone on for at least two hundred years at this particular point, and then we have the Southern Kingdom that they don't fall in line either, and so God winds up having the Babylonians come in and take them out like I think forty or seventy or some odd years later.

So this has gone on for two three hundred years at least at this particular point, probably much longer.

Yeah, absolutely, And you know they had this.

This was really a problem all throughout the Bible in different periods, and even in the tael Moved they dedicate quite a lot of time to making it known that you should not worship other gods.

They're really trying to because they knew it was a problem, you know, and the tailmood comes up to not modern times but quasi modern times, and it was still being a problem.

So yeah, it's and if you think about that, and then you go into what we're talking about Kabbala.

Like even before Kabbala, there was something called Mercaba mysticism and it's based on the Chariots and Ezekiel, and it's it almost reads like some kind of psychedelic rabbinical bizarre beliefs.

It's it's hard to understand.

It's in Kabbala is difficult as well.

But then you get into Kabbala into the medieval times, and it's basically endless, endless things in the Kabbala that they believe they can twist anything.

It's they say, people go crazy trying to learn the Kabala, and I think it's because it can mean just about anything you wanted to and a lot of people, you know, are just there's no like Christianity.

We do have a set of values, a set of laws.

You know, we have the Ten Commandments, say, which is the Jews are supposed to adhere to as well, and all these different things.

But in this belief system, it's kind of like anything goes and it's got all these occult aspects to it.

And you know, they'll take the I was talking about, they'll take the like parts of the names of God and combine them and make magical spells.

They'll do the same with angels.

They'll even spell make backward spellings, and of course they'll say it's the word off evil and stuff like that.

But you know, as I got to research again, there is a lot of what they call angel ology, which is basically magic using angel names and different things like that.

They talk about how they can basically control angels and have them do their bidding, you know, those kinds of things.

It's all the same stuff that's in this.

You know, like the Rowley you know, he had a demon that he can consorted with, and Alice Bailey and all these people, Helena Blovotsky, these occult people.

They were talking to these entities or they thought they were or whatever.

And you know, a lot of that stuff the Rabbis were doing, and I suppose they're doing it to this day to a point, because that's in their teachings that they care so much about.

I mean, wild they stop right.

Wasn't there a wasn't there?

I forget the name of the text.

There was a text supposedly that I think maybe it was a Gnostic text or whatever on that supposedly claimed that Moses or not Moses I'm sorry, Solomon I believe had this ring that he could use to actually control and command demians.

Are you familiar with this?

I remember something about that.

And and there is in the Tall mood.

When he was building the temple, it's it's crazy, Uh, he needed something to cut the stone.

This is you know, and this is again the tael mood.

And he was so two rabbiser I think they called them sages or something like that.

He consorted, he consulted these guys and they told him to get with the demon Ashmo Dye, and Ashmo Dye could help them help him find something called a shmir.

And according to the Talmud, a shamir is some sort of worm that can cut stone m and so apparently he got this shamir to cut the stones for the temple.

If you I did a showing in a few weeks ago.

The temple he actually designed from what we know from different pagan temples, So he took a lot of that stuff.

So, I mean, I don't know what that means exactly, but it is kind of interesting that.

Yeah, it was certainly influenced by these other cultures and their religions.

Yeah, so one of the things that you've kind of already alluded to and we can definitely get into as well.

Is this is it seems to be the formation of the backbone, if you will, of a lot of our esoteric secret societies occult practices we've already talked about.

But you know, I am a former Freemason.

I was in for about a year and a half and I saw enough things and felt enough unsettling things in my spirit.

Where the more I've learned now since i've left about things looking backwards, because I actually experienced it right, seeing things and I got out early enough where I didn't get deep in, but I saw enough in hindsight where I'm like, no, wonder why my you know, holy spirit senses, we're tingling off the charts right, And I couldn't reconcile things, and I just felt that I absolutely had to leave.

So dive into that because it does definitely seem to be underpinnings of a lot of these types of secret societies.

Yeah, well, with the Freemasons, you know, I don't claim to be an expert, but I've done quite a few shows, and again I read from their books.

I read a little bit from other people's books, but mostly from theirs, because I want to know exactly what they believe, because anybody can say anything at this point.

They yeah, oh yeah, for sure, they're blamed for everything.

You can imagine.

It's Mason's or it's the Jesuits.

You know, it's right, you know, it becomes this blanket term to blame everything on, and that's kind of a shame.

But yeah, they definitely.

Kabbala is a big influence on masonry, and Albert Pike talks about that in his book and he talks about how he actually mentions a couple of rabbis in Worlds and Dogma.

But I think every if I remember right now, this may just be the Scottish rite.

It's been a while since I've done these shows on it, but I think every level you have a Hebrew letter for that level at to represent it or that degree.

And one of the interesting things that I was reading from I can't remember which Mason it was now it was might have been Mackey, It wasn't Mackie.

It was JD.

Buck.

JD.

Buck, So apparently he was a thirty two or thirty three, thirty third degree Mason, but he has a I suggest because there's so many books about Mason's out there, and if people really want to know, I think what at the end of the day, at the higher level, what is believed mystic masonry I think is the name of the book, and he basically he outright teaches that the end goal is to teach you to become your own God, that you are a God.

You know.

So many of these other religions kind of basically say the same thing in the end, if you learn all this knowledge and you believe, you can become God yourself, you know.

So that's me the whole Sorry to interrupted, but just for everybody, it's for their own educational perspective.

If you go on Amazon, last I saw it was still on there.

Maybe they've taken it off, but I think it's probably still on there.

There's actually a documentary that was done by Freemasons called thirty three and Beyond, which actually will give you a really shockingly deep dive into the different degrees within and the structuring within masonry.

And one of the things you will see very quickly is all of the Scottish right side of freemasonry is just absolutely steeped in Egyptian mysticism, and that's the whole underpinning of all of it.

Practically.

Yeah.

In fact, you know from what I've read, they kind of laugh at the Blue degrees because they're like, oh, they don't know anything, you know.

I got as far as that, and then I was like, Okay, it's time to go.

I had started to kind of.

But I was the difference for me is I was around a lot of guys who had been Mason's a long time and actually had served.

I was actually around thirty third degree Mason's too, which thirty third degree is an honorary degree where it has to be bestowed upon you for years of service to the craft to even call it the craft.

So I had those guys.

I had guys that were in charge of the commandery for the York Right, which most people have no idea and have never heard of the York Right or no very little, which is aimed specifically at Christianity.

And so I would hear and see a lot of things through that that probably the most guys that had experienced a Blue Lodge probably hadn't.

And so for me hearing certain things, experiencing certain things through their eyes and what they would discuss and now, in hindsight, retrospect looking at things.

It's made a lot of things click that it didn't necessarily know at the time.

So sorry to interrupt, but I just want to explain that for everybody.

No, that's fascinating.

I'd love to talk to you just about that, but sometime.

But yeah, that's yeah.

I worked for a mason when I was a teenager.

He was a master mason.

He was a plumber, a master plumber too, and I was a plumber helper for about a year and he would not tell me anything that was a I didn't know anything about masonry at the time, and we got close, we were good friends, but he would not tell me anything.

And he told me he said he was on his second marriage, and he said, both of my wives have freaked out on me because I would not tell them anything about masonry or the meetings or anything like that.

And I remember he met a fellow mason one time.

He worked for the same company.

The guy I walked up to, much younger than him.

He walked up to the van and in the my friend was my boss, was at the you know, at the driver's side, and he said, hey, I joined the lodge and he said, oh, did you and they did one of those handshakes, and uh, He's like, let me get out and talk to you about it.

So they went far away where I couldn't hear anything, and they talked about it.

It was kind of interesting.

But yeah.

Then I had a neighbor who joined the lodge, and I was fairly close with them.

I was.

I came over to his house his first night, and he came back and immediately showed me the handshake, one of the handshakes.

I guess the first one they teach you.

And he entered apprentice.

Yeah.

I was like, I don't think you're supposed to be like giving all that away immediately.

I don't know.

No, he just he just actually he just actually took a blood oath right before that to have his throat slit.

If he ever divulged that.

Actually, that's what I was thinking.

I was like, Yeah, he's like, I'm just doing this to work my way networking, you know.

I hear a lot of people say that.

That they joined do the Scottish Ride is a very cause you get into you know, the Shriners and things like that.

It's kind of like the the networking aspect of freemasonry.

I had no interest in it whatsoever.

When I was in there, I had zero interest in Scottish ride or the networking side.

I was more interested in the in the York right.

But obviously as I got in there and not having the settled spirit, I just was and I had some good friends that were would give me information.

And then I read some stuff from from Pike, you know, that I was not not aware of.

And when you freed some of that stuff, it's like, like you said earlier, well, well, now that that toothbas is out of the tube, I can't really put it back in right.

Kind of hard.

There's no really good ways to reconcile that.

And one of the things is there's a constant search for more light.

That's the thing is more light, right, But it's not the light of God in Christ.

It's the light of Luciferianism.

And they will actually teach you that.

You know, some of the writings of Pike even goes so far as to say that God is the enemy and Satan is the is the good guy, right, and it's it's it's a perfectly flipped over version of what we are we see in scripture, and so that's extremely scary.

Yeah, And another connection to masonry and cabbala I just thought of there's a book.

I think it was by a Catholic priest, if I'm not mistaken, definitely a Christian, and it was called Darkness Visible and it was about freemasonry, and it was a pretty deep dive.

Actually.

I think the book's kind of hard to find.

I had a PDF of it, but I thought it was interesting because he quotes from one of the rituals and it says a mason's a mason's light is darkness visible.

And it's like, that's kind of weird, you know, that's kind of more of this like dualistic, you know, mumbo jumbo new ag.

Well, I've been reading recently in some of the cabalistic books, and they teach that God comes from darkness, that goodness comes out of darkness, and they've got quite a bit of information about that, but it all just leads back to that, and you know, that's definitely what the Freemasons, you know, we're saying too, according to that book and according to that specific ritual.

So it's just another connection.

I know there's some alchemical hermetic stuff in there, and you know astrology and all that, but the capitalists.

They also are into astrology and different things like that, so there's a lot of crossover there and they another thing that I think is very interesting that people probably blow their minds.

A lot of these capitalists teach that God basically needs them to put him back together because they they describe.

So there was Kabbala, and it was mainly for the elites, and then think in the fifteen hundreds there was this rabbi in Spain, Isaac Luria, and he came up with what is known as Lurianic Kabbala, and that's the most popular kind.

I don't even know if the old Kabala, I don't even I don't even know how you would find out what they believed before Isaac Luria, because all of his stuff just basically took over.

But he taught it in a way that it like basically made it every Jewish person could understand it and relate to it, and so it spread throughout all Judaism and really penetrated all Judaism.

Like some of their rituals and different things that they do are they come from Kabbala.

But he taught that when God was making the world, it was too much light to be put in one place, so it exploded.

This light exploded and went into millions of shards of light.

And so every Jew, by doing good works, is putting these little shards back together.

And eventually, you know, there'll be so many that I guess the Messiah will come back.

So it's a gathering of light, just like freemasonry.

It's all wrapped around gathering this light.

So some people say some people say that, I don't maybe this is derrogatory, but they say that masonry is kabbala for gentiles.

But you know, of course Jews can be a cabalist too.

I mean Mason's too, now, you know.

I mean, I think years and years ago that wasn't the case at some point, but I read from an actually the role.

When the roles get low enough, they'll let anybody in.

Made That's what I've heard.

Yeah, yeah, I looked, excuse me, And this is a I don't have it right in front of me, in front of me, but it is in my phone.

A side from Israel.

And it said that there were fifty some odd lodges in Israel.

And if you think about that, Israel is the size of New Jersey.

Although I know they're now acquiring some more land.

But think about fifty lodges in that small of a space.

That seems like a whole lot to me.

I mean, call me crazy, but now you nailed it.

Actually, fifty to eighty.

Wow, this is a quick Google search actually says yeah, it's insane.

Fifty to eighty.

Yeah, And you're right, it's the size of New Jersey.

I mean we're talking we're not talking about a big area here.

I mean, they have to be all over the place.

It's insane.

I know there's supposed to be one right beside the temple mount or right near it, and there's somebody there's at least I've seen pictures for a sign and it's I forget the name of the the lodge, but they're supposed to be one real close to it.

Let's see here.

Historically they've used nearby historic sites like Zedekiah's Cave.

So Solomon's query.

I would have to dig into it here, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

So we were talking about the Kannesse and the site has disappeared, of course, can't find it anymore.

And it was an Israeli news site, and I just happened to I was looking about the Kanessi and how it came about and how the roth Child put it together, you know, paid for and all that.

And the design is pretty amazing.

It's so capitalistic and masonic.

It's unbelievable, just the lines and the dualism involved in it.

And there's all these these sacred geometry shapes inside it, and there's like this like the way that one of the pillars that goes through the different levels, the thing that it kind of goes in the middle of looks I don't want to be like vulgar, but it looks like what they call the basically, look at the Statue of Liberty and look down at the bottom of it, or not the Statue of Liberty, excuse me, the Washington Monument.

If you ever see a Pallas exactly, that's a phallus, and down at the bottom is a kind of it looks like the Jesus fish, but turned the other way.

And they call it the ves Pisces and it's it's like supposed to represent the female womb.

And that's what and that's what this pillar looks like going down into this you know, this kind of like the what it holds it so there's a lot of symbolism there.

Yeah, there's there's a ton of just really fascinating historical things with you know, the the oh what are they called the what's the Washington Monument actually called?

As far as the structure itself, though, this is the obelisk.

Yeah, the obelisk, thank you.

Uh.

We were driving through downtown in Indianapolis here recently and we went right by one of the central parks and the'll behold, there's a gigantic obelisk r opolisk right there.

And I guarantee you a matter of fact, I'm fairly confident that was in a park that was actually Masonic park.

Yeah, so that doesn't surprise me at all.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Well, also I just happened to remember this too.

The Knesset has a pyramid shaped building, like a not a building, but there's one area where there's a roof and it's almost green, looking like the dollar Bi pyramid, and it's got a window in the center that looked at the top that looks like could be an eye.

It sounds like a conspiracy, but it's the truth.

And then it's not a giant obelisk, but there is an obelisk at the Kanessa too, and I saw that, and I thought pyramid too, But what does a pyramid or an obelisk have to do with Judaism?

As far as I'm learned, it has nothing to do.

That's Egyptian right from what I can understand, So why would you put that symbolism there unless there is possibly a Masonic connection there?

I know.

I have a book about one of the Rothchilds.

I can't remember which roth Child.

It wasn't the very first one I amshell, it was one of the other ones, and it says, and it's just got one little blurb, but it says that he had been a Mason for a long time, and many roth child had been mason's, so I thought.

And then they have the Rothchild Archive, which they I've taken several screenshots of things over the years and they take them off eventually.

But they had a whole little section in there about how the roth Childs had been Masons for many, many generations.

So I went on there again to find it and it had been deleted, but I did take a screenshot of it before.

So hmmm, yeah, it's it's fascinating, man, how many of how many of these secret societies and stuff.

Obviously, I'll go back to this, and this was a fascining thing after we talked to digging into this a little bit and and tying into the cobbalistic aspect of this.

So when we say that like the Cabal, the cabal that's behind everything, I mean effectively, this is the group we're talking about, right, people who are adhering to these these mystic principles, right, I mean effectively that's what we're talking.

About, I assume.

So, you know, it's become used that the terms become used so much that sometimes it gets a little bit hard to tell what they're kind of saying.

Are they just so whitewashing for everything?

Yeah, exactly like Illuminati basically, you know, yeah, right, yeah, but yeah, I mean it certainly could be used for that.

And to me it's very evident there is the Cabalists.

They're very much into numbers, and I don't know if you've ever got into that with the Freemasons, you might not have got it that high.

But you know, they talk about Gamatria and they have a s like I know Albert Pike had a cipher that he loved to use with Gamatria and it was the Septenary cipher, so it was in sevens, and so you know, every letter has a number, you know, and so they can communicate secretly through that because if you're you know, obviously, if you're not familiar with those kinds of things, you would have no idea what they're talking about.

And the Cabalists, I mean, they take this numerology in this gamatria seriously, I mean very seriously.

And you know, Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner, he's of the Abbad Lubovich sect of Judaism, him and Vanka and so is uh, what's that horrible lawyer that was at Jeffrey Epstein's island, and he's like on every conservative sidez Ye, He's he's one of the Habod knicks too, And these guys actual name Habbad is like a it's like it takes several letters out of three of the different levels of the sepharotic tree, which is capitalistic tree of life, and it combines them.

So it's like they're steeped in Kabbala.

So you know, you look at that.

The present son in law, he's working for the administration as an advisor.

He's not answered.

He doesn't have to answer to us, but he's an advisor as he was before.

So I think these guys definitely there's some capitalistic stuff going on there, some higher up capitalistic people in higher up positions that are into this stuff.

And it just seems more and more like you know, during during COVID, the number thirty three was literally everywhere thirty three.

This thirty three that you know, it's too much to be just a coincidence, you know, it's I mean, they even look at like God, like the moshak, which it means Messiah, I guess in Hebrew Moshiak and nakash, which is snake or serpent, they equal the same in Gamatria, so they there's this whole idea about the Holy Serpent.

I mean, it gets is weird and as a cult is any of the other occult belief systems I've looked at in Kabbala, and that's what I think a lot of Christians don't understand is that they think of like whatever, you know, Madonna in these people, these Hollywood people wearing a little red bracelet, and they really don't know what kabala means.

And it basically for the people that practice it it can mean anything that they wanted to.

However, they want to use it, you know, because it's that's I mean, it's really interesting.

They talk about I've got from the Zohar, which is the main book of Kabbalah, but there are other books the seffrag At zero, which is the book of creation.

They've got a whole nother creation meant that they believe the but here and all these different books.

They tried to act like these books go back to again to ancient times.

Most of these books were written in medieval times.

You know.

Now they can't really run from it because too many people have looked it up, and they've looked up you know that there's names and words and these things that didn't exist back then and all that kind of stuff.

But basically, they you know, they have a belief system that they can say means anything they want.

They can use it to their advantage, and they really important issues if they if these words come to the same amount, they equate them, even things like God in the snake.

You know, it's and they have this idea of the the holy snake, the kosher serpent.

I mean, it's it's really really weird, and I would suggest if anybody's out out there that wants to look more into Kabbala, there's a great book, because it gets so confusing.

I've spent way too much time looking into it.

It gets I've I've looked into it to the point where I have to take a break away from it to get confusing.

Yeah, exactly.

But the book Kabbala Secrets Christians Need to Know by Dianne Loeper.

We did a show with her, you know, recently.

Uh.

It's a great book.

It's she writes, it's very easy to understand, and some of the things in there.

She's been looking into this four years.

She's very well at explaining it to where anyone can understand it.

And it's crazy, you know, one hundred and whatever, fifty pages, twenty five pages and you already are you know, so much more than the average person that it's just mind blowing.

So I was suggest starting there and then you know, go from there, and I can, I can if anybody wants to get a hold of me, I can recommend books that I think that I try to give it to them an order of how you know, simple to start to get a little more complicated, to really complicated.

And I'm just simple, ranging from simple to brains too.

Yes, yeah, exactly exactly.

That's crazy.

Yeah, man, I could see this.

You know, we could spend fifty billion hours going on about this just because of you know, all of the things.

But it definitely seems like, you know, sitting here looking at some things that I pulled up while you were talking and following along with what you're saying, it definitely feels like this was all very much born after that, the destruction of the temple, you know, they It just feels like that's exactly what this kind of all has has ultimately come from.

Yeah, I think it probably has.

And you know, I think they probably did bring some of the things that they had encountered with the other cultures with them, and it's probably come on down to current times.

But certainly I think that it came together started really coming together under the time of the Rabbis that when the Second Tiple was destroyed, and you know, we didn't talk about how I mean they were influenced by the Hellenism was another thing that they were influenced by.

And then you talked about the Greek period that we talked about earlier.

Yeah, and the Zoroastrianism in Persia, and you know, you get farther along, and we talked about Kabbala, Lourianic Kabbala and the different when the diasporus, when they were some were in Eastern Europe, some were in Spain.

They're picking up from people there and adding to it's just been this kabala is like they just keep adding to the mysticism more and more and more and more, even to this day.

I read one excerpt from one rabbi and he said that any person any well, they don't really think that non Jews should even study, Like they don't even want them to study the Torah.

It's crazy, but anyway, we'll get we can talk about that at another time.

But they say that any Jewish person who takes kabbala on to study it, however they interpret it, they're doing the work of the Torah.

So it's like, you know, as long as you're putting effort into it, you're doing good, no matter how you you know, It's like I saw a clip the other day of Roseanne and I'm Roseanne Barr and I'm like, why does all these conservative people have her on?

I just don't get it.

Yeah, and she's talking up the Kabbala.

And I had no idea she was a catalyst.

I knew she was Jewish, but she's talking about the Kabbala and she's been studying it, and she wrote a book called I Think the Kabbala on Sex, which is just bizarre.

Yes, exactly, Okay.

So, and she mentioned something about in that interview that once you turn I think she said forty five forty or forty five, you were pushed to write your own commentary on I can't remember if she said the Kabbala or the tour, one of the two.

So there are commentaries upon the commentaries, upon the commentaries.

There's commentaries upon the even the commentaries have commentaries.

At this point, you know what I mean, It's like it's just a never ending set of explanations and definition and different things like that.

It's and that's that gets chaotic because again there's really no solid foundation, you know, there's no.

Now, you had mentioned one thing in there that I was I had written down.

I'm just curious and I feel drawn to ask about it for whatever reason.

Maybe it's because it's a fun thing to say.

But explain zoro Astrianism.

What in the world is this, Well.

That was the religion of Persia and that predated the Talmud.

I just I'm working on an episode that it's going to be talking about it just a little bit.

But h zoro Astrianism, so they it's it's just another religion that the Persians came up with, and they have several gods and it's it has similarities to Judaism and Christianity a little bit.

But it seems from what I can understand that all that angiology that we were talking about from the capitalists, they took that from the Zoroastrians, basically the what are it's modern day Iran.

Oddly enough, they took that and the demonology.

A lot of stuff you hear about demons and stuff like that originated with Zoroastrianism.

So I believe that, if I remember what I was reading, is correct.

They also were the first to talk about an afterlife and like a reward in the afterlife, that type of thing too.

So I mean virgins in the afterlife would come from for a Muslim, yeah, for Islam, right, interesting, Okay.

So I don't know if there are people who practice that today, because I'd never hear anything about it.

But it's an interesting idea because that would have happened in their time in Babylon, you know.

And from what I was reading, there's a couple of books that have talked about the Babylonian Persian influence on the Babylonian tel mood.

So I delved into those books because I'm sure that there's a lot of reading there, but it not be worth If somebody wants to take that on, please do and do a podcast on it.

Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense because historically speaking, you know, we didn't have a ton of people seemingly actually, when you know the the Persians wound up taking over the Babylonians, you know, you have Cyrus the Great that actually releases the Jews to go back to Israel and go back to Jerusalem.

Not a lot of people went because I think by that particular point seventy years I think they were in captivity.

So you know, you had pretty much everybody gone.

A lot of the original you know, generation, probably a couple generations were pretty much gone.

So there was generations that were only familiar with whatever that they had experienced in Babylon.

So inevitably there had to have been some influence in tainting and mix mixing of religious belief systems that occurred in that event.

There's I mean, how could you not come out of that with that?

That makes perfect sense, absolutely, And so much inner marriage and there's so much breeding in innermarriage.

You know, that started in the Old Testament, and I'm sure it had to go all the way through.

There was quite a bit about warnings about that as well in the telemod because obviously that's a problem.

If you know, they mix with these other cultures, it's just going to happen.

It's the way the world works.

But yeah, and so we're supposed to believe that the people who are there now are it seems like they would have us believe they are one hundred percent Jewish and go back to the you know, the ancient Israelites, and it's like no time has passed, and you know, you know what I mean, it's just like, yeah, but you got to think about it.

I mean, come on, now, that's the inner marriage started so long ago, and the mixing with other cultures started so long ago that obviously the line has been in doubt.

It's just the way it would have to have to have had.

You know, Yeah, I mean, well, we have multiple instances in the Old Testament of like, you know, the moms of you know, Isaac and Jacob are like, don't go Mary Kane and night women.

And they turn around and they call and you know, Mary to Kana and night women, you know, and start having start having kids and all kinds of problems.

You know, that's how you wind up with with all kinds of stuff, you know, with the Edomites and things.

You know, he went south and started marrying the first thing he did.

I think he ran off as far as he saw and married a Kaya to night woman.

So I would like to joke that we should redo the song mamas, don't let your babies grow up to marry Caana night women.

So there you go.

But yeah, man, so one of the last things to bring us all together that I wanted to make sure we touched upon because this is important.

And again, this isn't like a hit piece, all right, I'm not trying to do a hit job on any kind of Uh.

You know, we have a we have a very unhealthy alliance to political figure and specifically Donald Trump.

I'm just gonna come right out and say it, and if anyone hears this, I'm gonna tell you right now, I voted for the guy I didn't the first time.

I did this last time, but I'm so sick and tired of everybody that is putting again.

I see the same exact things.

I see this pedestal placement where we have put a person and an ideology above our God, you know, and our religion and right and wrong.

And so that's what I'm taking aim at.

Okay, so, and I think the only way to do that is to be honest.

We have to be honest.

Okay, if you think that you know any other thing we've talked about today, if you I'm gonna challenge everybody again.

I've said this several times, but I'm gonna do it again.

And we're gonna get into this.

If you get your panties on a twist, listen to this, all right.

I want you to ask.

Yourself, why is it?

Because we're wrong and you've studied and you know that we're wrong, And that's fine.

I can take those on all day long.

I'm correct us perfectly fine.

Okay, you want to bring things to the party that shows shines light into our dark little corners of our brains, By all means.

But if you're mad because we have challenged something that you just have come to accept that someone has told you, and that just leaves you in your little comfort corner and you are getting upset because we're pushing you out of your comfort box.

I take great exception to that.

And that's where I really get frustrated with people, because I get so much of that, and I know I'm going to get a ton of it from this, and I don't care because of the truth and serving God and serving righteousness and justice means more to me than any stinking country or ideology or whatever the case would be.

Right is right and wrong is wrong, and it's right in scripture for us to read.

So I just want to challenge everybody with that.

So I want to also preface the whole point of this, just to reiterate that again with the question that I'm going to get into, which is based around this administration, because I think we're seeing some things, especially since it's Charlie kirkshooting, It's like gone into hyperdrive.

It feels like, you know, what are you seeing in regard to all of these things melding in this pot and the one thing we haven't really talked about is the nationalism aspect, but that this administration is doing to advance a lot of these ideologies.

It seems like that we've talked about tonight.

What are you.

Seeing when you look at this?

Well, man, it's I know, that's like a five thousand yard wide question, but I don't know how else to really dive into that.

Well, they've certainly kept us on a steady diet of chaos and division, and when they do that, a lot of times I point this out.

A lot of people don't like to hear it, but it's a lot of times your own party that can really do you the damage.

You know.

I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt.

You said this earlier, and I thought of this instantly, and you just set it again.

And I want to just get this out there because this is one that drives me bananas because I am I'm like you, I became very disenfranchised, and I'm more of a liberal.

I'm more of a conservative libertarian right.

I really don't even like that anymore.

I'm really a non party affiliated because I see parties as one of the great wicked evils of almost like denominational Christianity.

I abhor it because it just winds up dividing us instead of uniting us.

But being a conservative like I am, one of the things that when I would try to get people to break the two party duopoly right and talk about these things, the pushback that I would always get from the right, never from the left.

It was always a propaganda piece that has been so beautifully implanted into people's brains is well, we can't do that, we can't vote for a third party because we'll just hand it to the we'll hand the election to the Democrats.

I only get that from Republicans.

I never hear it from Democrats, and that has been some piece of propaganda that has been pushed into their head to even supersede the idea that now, the funny thing about an election is whoever gets the most vote twins's that's kind of how it's designed, right.

Yeah, And so just to just to highlight your point, I wanted to get jump in there and say that because I hear that all the time whenever I have some of these conversations with people.

Oh yeah, you're just throwing your vote away.

You're throwing your vote away, heard all that giving it.

To them, You're handing it right to them on a platter.

Yeah.

I remember a few years ago, just quickly, I'll say this quickly, I was going to vote for the libertarian candidate.

Now I'm just not I'll be honest, I'm not even a voter anymore.

But this was brother just joined you because after this last one, when I just admitted I did, and seeing the results, I'm like, I'm out.

I don't trust any of them anymore.

Yeah, because I feel guilty.

I feel guilty.

You know when I honestly I voted for Bush the second time.

I was young, and like I said, I bought into all that stuff.

And you know it's like after you vote for these people, Yeah, they they do a few good things, but you're supporting all the bad things they do too.

And there was a lot of kids blown up, you know, all across the Middle East that that didn't that didn't deserve it.

I mean, but you know it's another story.

But just you know, people should think about that, the bad things that these guys do.

You are supporting that as well.

But really, uh so you were talking about kind of where the really this administration is leading us and where you think things are headed.

Yeah, A couple coupled with the Zionism aspect and the dogged uh support of Israel and anybody that that dares to speak a counter word is now you know the other hot button word, which is you're an anti Semite and all of these things.

So yeah, it's crazy.

I don't know exactly what's going on, because when I got into this series that I'm doing, it wasn't popular to criticize Israel, and I was.

I took a lot of heat for it from friends and people that really shunned me and thought I was an anti Semite, and I was like, just listen to that.

I don't say anything anti Semitic.

I'm reading information mainly for their sources.

So yeah, I don't understand.

Because now there are so many people speaking out, it's become the popular thing to do.

I think that Israel has lost the information war with the you know, the guy from the ADL, he said, you know, they there was a recorded phone call that somebody leaked a couple of years ago, maybe not even that long ago, and it was the one where they decided they have to do something about TikTok.

He said, you know, we don't have a right left problem.

We have a young person problem.

We have a TikTok problem.

So you know that being said, I don't know where it's headed, you because are they using the powers that shouldn't be?

Are they using the all this newly found like people are waking up and realizing, hey, Israel's not our great ally and we're doing things and giving them things that we shouldn't and our politicians are putting them ahead of us.

Is that being allowed to happen now for some reason that we don't exactly see, that they're going to also use to their advantage.

I can't quite see what that would be, but it's becoming quite prevalent.

So I don't know if that is happening or just it's a natural thing that's happening.

People are finally waking up little by little and saying, hey, you know this is not right and this is I think this whole Middle East thing is a big part of globalism.

It's a part of this global plan to eventually build this world order, and they have to restructure the Middle East to do that.

I mean, they're basically one of the plans they had.

I can't remember if it was called the I think it was called the Greater Middle East Plan, and they were talking about basically dividing up the Middle East into these little sections to make it manageable.

And so, you know, I think that it's definitely a part of that globalist, you know, banker plan to do this.

But anyway, it's really strange I assume that Trump.

I mean, who could really say for sure is he being blackmailed or is he one of them?

You know, his son in law is one of them.

You know, his daughter is one of them.

You know, he said a few weeks ago that he was something like he was thankful that Jared converted his daughter here here is he supposed to be a Christian.

He's thankful that no longer believes that Jesus is her savior, because that's what he said, you know, in not so many words.

But he's definitely You look at the people that surrounded him in this administration and in the last one, and he certainly Israel first.

You know.

He even said on a radio interview a couple of years ago, he said on national radio that the Israel lobby used to have control over Congress and it's a shame they should have it again.

I'm paraphrasing, but that's almost exactly what he said.

Like, you just said that a foreign lobby should have control over the United States Congress.

How is that not treasonous?

What other country could get away?

You know if you said, I hope the Russian lobby it's controlled back, oh, you know, or you name your country basically in a country, but that country.

That's the only one you could say and not have probably the majority of people hearing it complain about it.

So definitely there's I think it was David mn Geren, the first Israeli Prime Minister, in a magazine called Look Magazine.

I've got a video of it.

Somebody actually bought this magazine because it was like in the sixties, and he opens a magazine and shows you exactly what it says.

Because I saw the quote and I was like, I don't know if that's true or not.

He talks in there, and he is not a religious Jew.

He talks about how eventually the world will be controlled from Jerusalem, and the UN will be like basically taking it over and helping to make this happen, and they'll have a World Council, a World Court in Jerusalem that will judge these other nations.

So I don't know, man, I mean, it sure seems like that they're trying to push something like that.

Yeah, wow, where do you see all this shaping up for like end time prophecy?

You know?

I wish I could there's another four thousand question, bro, I wish I could, you know, be more specific.

I get frustrated because something I noticed once I started delving into all this stuff that so many of the Christian ministers, anything having to do with Israel, the Israeli government, they would say, is oh, this is prophecy.

This is I was in churches that would do that, and then I would be like, wait a minute, I don't think this is exactly prophecy here, you know.

I mean, there's things are going to happen with these countries.

And it doesn't mean the Bible wrote about every single thing that was going to happen, right, It would be a much larger book if it was going to do that, because things are happening all the time.

I wish I could say.

I mean, I just don't know, a lot of people think Trump is the anti Christ, you know, and of course a lot of people think he's this not the savior, but well some do.

But the man of God, the Cyrus and the you know, all this stuff.

So one thing I'll say is it's been really disappointing seeing so many fellow Christians, as you were talking about a few minutes ago, just practically worship this guy, you know.

And of course they'll say, well, he's doing the work of God and we don't worship him, you know, But that's not what I'm saying that, No, not at all.

And they give him a pass on anything.

I said that They've created a permanent fanboy out of the people who used to consider themselves vigilant citizens.

You know.

He can do anything, and he can do stuff that the Democrats would have done and not get any heat for it, you know.

So I think it's it's a dangerous time because even a lot of these big shot people.

Yeah, I'll I'll just go ahead and mention Tucker and Candae, right, And I don't know.

I don't watch them on a regular basis, but I see clips, and a lot of times I see the clips and I'm like, oh, ye, I agree with that, But I've never seen them speak out against Trump.

So it's like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

They will say all these things are happening, or they complain and talk about the subject that we're talking about tonight and how this foreign government is taking over, but won't talk about the fact that Trump is one of the biggest scionists out there.

You know, It's so strange, isn't it.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

I mean, you're either objective and you can be objective about everything, or you're only objective about your objectives that you want to have.

But if it dances in this other one, then we just don't talk about.

And You're right.

I don't know how you could with eyes open look at any of this and not be honest about what's really happening and the things that are being done.

You know, I mean, I'm with you.

I see, like the same hall Pass that's being issued to Israel that allows them to do pretty much anything they want, the same hall Pass is being issued by all of the quote unquote Maga side of the coin for Trump.

You know, he could do no wrong.

And it's like I just watched them and do wrong.

The other day.

I called it flat out it was disgusting what he had tweeted about Rob Reiner being murdered by his own son.

Do I like Rob Reiner.

No, I'm not a fan of his politics.

Never met the man.

Can't say you know one.

Way or the other.

But you know that situation was horrid.

No Christian, no, you know, person worth their weight in any kind of decency at all comes out and does that, because you know, everybody was just crying foul for what happened to Charlie Kirk.

But then we turn around and we do that, and I'm like, you're no better.

What makes you any better?

I was disgusted by that.

And if you have a problem with that, and you're listening to this, I have a problem with you because that's disgusting.

And if you claim to be a Christian, you need to stand up and call that out because it's completely counter to scripture.

You know, yeah, I.

Believe it was Solomon himself actually in Proverbs.

I think I pulled it up.

We should never like celebrate the demise of our enemy.

You know that is that is completely counter descripture.

So yeah, there's just so much here that you know.

Ultimately, this whole show is just about open your eyes and put God first, put Scripture first, put Christ first.

That is what should be first in your life, not a political party, a political person, a country of any kind.

And yes, I will never say that they're not God's chosen people.

They are if they are one of the twelve tribes, that is God's chosen people.

But God's chosen people have clearly gone astray, no doubt about it.

Like guys, they literally want to rebuild the Third Temple because they do not believe that they have yet received their Messiah.

You know, we have Christians, you know that are Jewish.

You know, I'm not speaking in totality of everybody in that area, but these things have happened.

They're real.

We need to be honest about them.

And so I just appreciate you coming on and help me with that, man, because you've studied a lot more in some of these areas.

So you've helped me tremendously a lot understand a lot of things, and I just really appreciate it.

Well, thank you for having me.

Man.

It's been a blast, And I'm sorry if I wasn't very well spoken tonight.

You're fine.

I have I've been studying this stuff for so long, and all this stuff is in my head and some of the stuff I haven't talked about in like two years, so I'm trying to go back and remember it all, you know.

But yeah, thank you so much for having me.

I'd love to talk to you again sometime for sure.

Yeah we didn't even talk about sabotaize V and Jacob Frank and these these saviors.

There's been fifty some odd Jewish Jewish saviors that people.

There's a book about that.

So yeah, so look forward to talking to you again sometime.

One hundred percent, brother, that will happen for sure.

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