Since I moved here, which is Ashley rejecting to my home, people shape shifts in front of me.

I warned people, I'm like, look, you're gonna come out here and make sure you stay prayed up.

You have witches, and then you have the occult, and then the spiritual warfare is like none of ever encountered my entire life ever.

Okay, hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Grotto on the Tar Pit.

I want to talk to you a little bit about the beginning of twenty twenty three.

I had reached the very dark point in my life.

I was pretty much lost in drugs, living in the mountains, and my man life was a total mess.

I had started watching you know videos on you know the Word and spiritual videos, and I came across a video about a guy named Earthquake Kelly, and I wanted to learn more about him, which led me to another channel which had a great you know interview with him, and I learned so much about the spiritual realm and what goes on through these videos.

And I just started binge watching some other videos that were on this channel, and I was learning a lot of spiritual things and I was just really excited about it.

And I actually have the person who hosts that channel here on today, So if you could please welcome Jennifer Bagnashing ser Gill.

Thank you so much for being on.

I had no clue that you entered in through watching earthquake.

Yeah.

Well, I had seen this little clip of him him telling his story of how he grew up.

It wasn't from your channel.

It was just a little like fifteen minute clip of him from some other show, and I was telling other people about him, and like, because I was seeing that type of stuff go on in my life, I'm like, see, that's why that's going on.

See that this should tell you that this is all spiritual.

And people would be like, yeah, I think you're probably right.

But me looking into it, I got to see them on your channel and and you know, the talks that you had with him, and it was very inspiration inspirational and it taught me a lot.

Wow, I didn't even know.

I didn't know that you experienced some of that stuff as well.

Oh yeah, man, I was lost in darkness for a long time.

Here's got your free amen.

Yeah.

God is good all the time.

So, uh, Today for co host, we have Kyle how you doing, Kyle.

I'm good brother, Thanks for having me on here, and it's great to meet and talk to Jennifer as well, so I'm looking forward to the conversation.

Yeah, that's always great to have you guys on here.

So let me just jump into the meet and meet of the issue.

So, Jennifer, if you could tell me a little bit about how you came to faith.

Well, I was born into a Christian household to begin with, both of my parents or ministers.

My mom was the first assistant to the pastor and then my dad was a reverend.

So I've always known about Jesus and always loved talking about Jesus and whatnot.

But it wasn't until I feel like the majority of American Christians were became Christians through a Baptist church.

That's what I feel like.

I don't know, but the Catholic church Catholic exactly, Catholic and Baptists.

You start off either one of those two, but then one day my mom was like, I need more.

So then we visited a Pentecostal church when I was around eight years old, and that's when I saw the Bible come to life.

Now you see the miracle signs wonders, and I'm like, now this is it.

You know, you're sitting up in church, you know, in the traditional churches where you just go through the routine himinals and just you know, this is a pastor preach announcements.

You're like, it's born.

This is ritualistic.

And now you see the Bible in action.

You see gods healing people, and you see people praying and tongue, you see demons manifest and they get free and then deliverances, and I'm like, this is what I'm talking about.

So yeah, I went to the one hundredth year anniversary of this.

It was the birth of the whole Pentecostal movement.

So that was powerful in California, right, Yeah, yeah.

Okay, God say I'm telling you.

And that's and honestly, when people say being a Christian is boring, that means you're doing it ritualistically and traditionally, and religion is boring.

We don't do religion, we do Jesus.

So yeah, so that's how I started, you know, I started.

But yeah, and then the years went by and I begin to realize and still in the church, I just begin to realize that there was a deficit in the church where even though I'm gonna say these Pentecostal churches and all the not a nominational like as well, there's still there's still a lot of unbelief in churches like this, or there's a lot of worship going in the wrong directions, worshiping pastors, worshiping uh, people on hired titles or authorities.

But that's backwards because we all have our own role.

Everybody has their own role to do.

No one is higher than the other.

We just have our different jobs to do, you know, in the body of Christ.

So I realized it was a deficit.

And on top of the deficit, because it was so much confusion in the church and different doctrines people Christians didn't know.

I realized Christians didn't even know the authority that they have at all, right, you see, Kyle.

And then so I'm like, they don't know because I'm hearing things from X witches and next warlocks, and I'm like, they know more than we know.

But we should know this stuff because we have authority and we have powered by what you hear.

From them, huh.

I didn't hear from them like personally, but what I love.

You that's the difference between you and me.

I knew some of these people.

Okay, well I did you know, you know what?

And then that's actually kind of cool only because I learned a lot of it through watching videos and then I got to meet them after you met them first, even though party was scary to you or you probably we have to talk later, Surgerio, because I didn't know this, but yeah, no, it's cool.

It's cool that, like you got to know these people to see, you know, what they were involved in.

Because what I found was that people who were in the occult first and become Christians, they realize they have so much more power and they're not afraid of the devil, they're not afraid of demons, and they realize what they have.

But they're like, these Christians are weak though they have no idea their authority.

And I'm like, okay, all right, so we'll run with that.

So yes, it does't even how deep believers started.

But that's that's that's neither here nor there.

Yeah, that's one hundred percenturior.

I can tell you in my time doing my show and having conversations, that is for sure one of the things that I've come out with as well.

Is that and it's really sad because it really actually, for me, it highlights the fact that we as a body, as a church at large, are so far behind, especially the spiritual aspect of things.

You know, these people in order to be and you got to think the devotion that it takes in order to be invested into a cult worship or something of that sort, you are gonna be.

You got to put some power and some passion into it, and you believe.

They believe, They believe that they can manifest stuff, They believe that the spiritual realm exists.

They believe that they can conjure things and do blood, magic and rituals and something will happen, whereas the church at large for the most part, has just kind of been sterilized from the spiritual and they're just taught that a that stuff is if you even entertain any thought that that stuff exists, then you're going to wind up over in that camp.

And we have really just sterilized the church with that thinking.

And it's very much I agree with you one hundred percent.

Well, the thing with people that actually do that type of stuff is if you're like one of those Christians that you know, doesn't even pay attention to anything that's going on in the spiritual realm, and you're, you know, hunky dory, and you have no vision of what actually is going on.

You really don't have no problem.

But once you start figuring out what's really going on, then they try to put fear in you.

Come on, now, Yeah, that fear is what keeps you, you know, from actually being.

Able to walk in that authority number one two of the devil's fear.

Come on, Yeah, so true.

There was even one.

There was one pastor who I spoke to.

He was speaking, well, I was conversing with him, and he said, you know what I wish these pastors.

He said, a lot of these pastors just don't have faith.

They just don't have faith.

And he said it should be mandatory, he should.

It should be mandatory that before you preach, even though it's not a Bible, is what he says.

It's kind of cool.

He said, before you become a preacher, you should be able to heal five people in Jesus name.

You don't knew that would then sit down because the faith needs to be there and a lot of pastors don't even have faith.

Wow, I don't know.

Yeah, that's that's a rough criteria because some people, I don't know if that's their gifting.

But I know what, anybody can do it.

Jesus said, it is a command.

Yeah, yeah, anybody, anybody can do anything.

You know.

It's it's it's that's nothing too.

It's like it's like the church doesn't even admit that, you know, First Corinthians was First Corinthians twelve I think where it actually talks about all the spiritual giftings.

Church just doesn't even want to pretend.

They just want to pretend like that that doesn't even exist.

It's like we might as well skip over that, you know, any of those spiritual giftings.

And how you know, if we don't want to acknowledge the spiritual, then how can you acknowledge the spiritual gifting that goes into the spiritual exactly?

So yeah, that's that's kind of a kind of powerful statement that she just made.

Yeah for sure, I mean you think about it.

It was a command when Jesus said it, he said, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons.

I'm like, he didn't say could you do that, or he didn't say try to He literally said do it.

He's talking to us some Mike.

Yeah, for some very big orders right there.

Ye raised it dead.

Yeah.

Do you see how the Western Do you see how the Western mind works us?

We then when I speak to people from the Eastern world who become Christians, they're already for it, like oh yes, yes, yes, we will do it.

We will do it.

Even if we don't see results, we will keep on doing it.

Americans and the people in Europe they're like ooh ouch, yikes, you know, because we're not used to it.

It's so foreign's taboo almost.

Yeah.

I guess the big thing of it is is trying it and nothing happening, which I'm sure is going to happen because it's not God's will.

You know, if you try to ask for a healing and it's not God's will.

We all know that that Peter was thrown on his side God.

He asked God three times heal me, heal me, but he wouldn't heal him because it was for God's edification.

Yeah, Paulie, Like paul you talk, I haven't thorn in my side.

Well that will exchange.

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

I don't know.

Sometimes I read that, and I go back and I read it, and I wonder if that's actually not so much physical as it is.

It's kind of like a figurative kind of aspect of things when I I was actually just reading this not too long ago, and I went back, and you know, I think there's a couple of things to go into that.

But one of the things is no doubt, no doubt about it.

I've joked for a while that I want to write a folk song about never go on mission trips with Paul because it gets pretty rough man.

But you know, it talked about Jesus told him, He's like, hey, go go to you know, go here and find out this seek out this guy's solid, because I'm going to show him how much he must suffer in my name.

And I think that that was a direct response, basically because of what he had been doing to the church at large.

So it's kind of kind of interesting that that whole thing, whether it's figurative and physical, it's it's obviously something that was going on there that he was struggling with.

Well, you look at his physical some people believe that he had some kind of vision problem, you know, how he had skills over his eyes.

Some say that it caused him always to have some kind of vision problem.

Interesting, well, you know what, there's some historians and the elogians, uh they some say that that was the actually idiom for that day, that actually meant a pain in a behind.

So there was more n likely person who was who just kept on going after him, like we were talking about prior or from high you know, a pain in the behind, but the wolf wouldn't do it.

And then matter of fact, there's this book what am I having here?

I have it somewhere here.

It's called Forty Days in Heaven or something like that, and it was written in eighteen hundred.

So I'm thinking, like this stuff started, you know, just you know when people have testimonies, been going to heaven and hell like it started.

Talked about prepping in the nineties.

But this guy he went to heaven.

Let me see if I have it on my bookshelf.

He went to have him for forty days and he talked about it, and then he said when he's he met a lot of people in the Bible when he went to heaven and he saw Paul, and he said he was just a short guy.

And actually, I feel like the short people are so powerful.

I don't know.

It's like, you know, like you think that I don't know.

Well anyway, So he met him and then Paul actually told him it wasn't actually a physical element.

He was a person who kept harassing him and who wouldn't stop harassing him.

So it kind of goes almost with the theologians say that it was a pain in his behind.

Yeah.

For anybody that's wondering where this is, this is I pulled it over really quick.

This is actually Second Corinthians twelve.

So we were talking about First Corinthians twelve.

Second ago, we're talking about spiritual giftings, and we're going to go to second Corinthians twelve, And is this the lead up to this?

Is interesting, so because it's a really strange passage about what's going on here.

It says, I must go on boasting though there is nothing to be gained by it, and I'm reading from the ESV.

I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.

I know a man in christ to fourteen years ago was caught up to the Third Heaven.

Whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know.

God knows, and I know that this man was caught up into paradise.

Whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know.

God knows.

And he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.

On behalf of this man, I will boast, but on my own behalf.

I will not boast except of my weakness.

Though if I should wish to boast, so, I will not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth.

But I refrained from it so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me.

So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.

Three times I plead with the Lord about this, that this should, that it should leave me.

But he said to me, and this is in red.

My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.

Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weakness, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

So there you are.

ESV.

Yeah, you know what really stands out to me or what stood out to me in there is it the fact that God told them.

He there's some things you can't say.

There's some things you can't tell the people.

That's right.

I've I heard of a lot of people that have like near death experiences or have visions, or that are told things and then they forget them or they said, you're not going to remember this because it's not for people to know yet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, clink commit.

I know I brought him up before, but he said he had a vision and he said, God told or you know, I heard got a revelation, but I can't tell it to any of you guys, because God told me if I tell you, I'll be dead in the week.

Hit.

Yeah.

You remember in John in a Book of Revelation, when John was in heaven, when the Lord took him up to heaven, he saw everything that was happening, and he was about to write down what he was saying, and then the Lord said you better eat that, and he made him eat the piece of paper.

He said, don't you send that.

Don't you write that.

Don't you send that.

You know, he ate it so he can say it so it won't be documented.

Yeah, This is an interesting I remember being at a table and I was talking to a friend of mine and we were going through this passage here at about Paul.

You know, because Paul's effectively when you when you read this, he's really talking about himself.

He is talking about it.

He died having humble pie.

He was very hot.

Yeah, he didn't want to boast.

Yeah, he didn't want to boast.

And my buddy said, he goes, you know, I wonder if that happened to him.

And I don't know the time frame because the time frame may not line up because it says fourteen years ago.

He goes, I wonder if that happened to him when he got stoned.

Yeah, I mean, because typically you don't survive that.

That's typically we're going to make sure that you're not alive anymore, where you're gonna get unlived.

And so you know what was crazy about it is he he woke up from that death, shook it off, and walked right back to preaching.

Yeah.

I helped him, helped him out.

Yeah, Sergio, you said something.

Okay, so I heard something now, Kyle, as you talk, as you're talking, I heard something.

And Sergio, when you said something, everything clicked.

I heard a person say, I don't know if it's two or not, okay to just hearsay, but they said that was it the same person.

I don't know, but I read so many books.

But anyway, but this person said that actually Paul did die.

He actually did die when that happened, which is why you know he went exactly cow when you were like, you know, you don't know if you survived that, because who could survive that?

And then he died and he went to heaven.

Just why he was talking about that, I don't know, okay, And then you said, Sergio, that death.

You said that death.

Just now, you said that death.

So he died, came back, and then he got up and you know, walked away and kept preaching, you know, other cities.

So is a possibility that he may have died and was resurrected.

He walked right back to the same city that he had just been stoned in kill me the same city and pached again.

They probably were too afraid to throw another stone at him.

He's a ghost or something.

So one of the other things that that's an interesting exchange here about this is it talks about the third heaven.

You know, and it says that in most of the translations when you look, and then it also says paradise.

After that, a lot of people will go a little bit different way with it.

But one of the things that, you know, again, I can't stan, you know, put my flag in this, but it's just an interesting thought.

I tend to think that maybe that actually refers to the New Jerusalem and New Earth that we actually see in the end of Revelation, and that's why he was told that he couldn't say anything about it, because the vision and revelation for that actually was going to be left to John many years later.

So and it makes sense when you understand again, go all comes back to the afterlife and understanding how the afterlife works.

So you have Shiol that would be the first paradise right in Shiol, Abraham's bosom, and then when Christ dies and basically all the saints go to heaven, so now you have second Heaven, which would be where we go when we die, and then third Heaven is effectively going to be the new Jerusalem and the New Earth.

So just an interesting thought.

Can't say for sure that's what's being said here, but it is an interesting thought.

So tell me, how do you believe that God speaks to you?

How does he speak to me?

Oh gosh, I mean he speaks to me.

It every day.

But it's weird because like you have to learn to decipher if it's him or not, which is good, which is why Jesus said, My my sheep know my voice.

They hear me, they know my voice.

So honestly, one thing I've learned about God is that when he speaks, he's not a lot of times he isn't redundant.

See, because the devil's redundant.

He doesn't have new ideas.

So like he always does things in patterns all the time because he doesn't have any ideas.

But this is one thing I learned in life.

Whenever God speaks to you, he a lot of times.

He doesn't speak the same way all the time.

So you can say, okay, when when the Lord and I are conversing, you know, when I'm in prayer and he's talking to me, that's so different because he's speaking to my spirit and I know what he's saying.

I know it's him.

But then you have the time when you're like, oh, Lord, I need to know whether to leave this job or not.

Oh Lord, I need to know what to say.

This person is so hard, you know.

So you're looking for the Lord to speak to you and so ways.

But a lot of times, like we expect him to always do with the same exact way every time, and a lot of times it's not the case.

But one thing I learned about him is that he does things and confirmations.

And I always say this Psalm sixty two eleven, where the Lord says God has spoken once twice have I heard?

So God will say something and he'll always confirm it.

So if you're ever confused, it'll be like, Lord, is this is this you you ask God for?

Not confusion, Ask God for confirmation.

First, ask for confirmation.

He'll give it to you somehow.

It could be say the Lord tells you to do something, but you're like, oh Lord, I don't know if that was you.

You gotta tell me for you.

And then maybe like one day you're driving and then like you see a sign on a truck.

I hear this all the time.

I have had this happen beforeb like similar very somewhar.

Like that, right yeah, And then you're like, again, oh Lord, this can't be it.

I need another side you know, I need another And he'll keep doing it and doing it, but in different ways.

Because he's so creative.

I'm like, he just just never stops.

And you know, I wonder if the Lord is sometimes saying, are you going to get the I get right one hundred?

You know.

So he's just a fun, creative Lord.

But I truly believe that the Lord does speak to you personally when like he's actually conversing with you.

He speaks to your spirit because that's what you are, your spirit, man, you know, he speaks to your soul, your identity.

But yeah, so, Jennifer, remember how I mentioned earlier that I was going through all this dark time.

Well, I was out there in California and I kind of I decided to leave.

I was going to go out there to Alabama, and I said, I'm going to give myself forty days, right, forty days.

If by forty days, God, if you haven't shown me or told me to stay, I'm going to leave, right.

And the whole time of those forty days I didn't have.

I was like, yeah, I'm leaving.

I'm leaving.

Everything was telling me to go.

Only one time did I stop and think, man, maybe I'm making the wrong decision.

And as I did that, I laid down, And when I laid down, somehow I raised the volume of of the radio and it said get ready to hit the roll this holiday season.

Oh my gosh, there you go.

Yeah, there's your answer.

That's the other thing too, is like it's it's hard to sometimes not I never want to be that Christian that that drag kind of grabs God by the hand and drags him along with you, because I think we see that a lot too, like well God told me to do it, Like did God really tell you to do it?

Or did you just want to do it and you kind of grab God and you drug him along with you.

So I never want to do that either.

So it's it's always that's one of the things when I start getting I think the clear signs, I'm always probably hesitating.

I think sometimes I need extra confirmation because I never want to be that that person that that grabs God and takes him with me.

I want to be him taking my hand where he wants me to go.

So yeah, but I've had that happen, like you said on the road signs.

Yeah, yeah, So I'll share a I'll share a fun quick story just this is this is crazy, and I can't share all of it because it could get me in It could get me in trouble with somebody that wants to hack me.

So I have to be very careful when I tell this story.

So the house that we're living in now, my wife and I, it was kind of on the outside of the top end of what we were wanting to spend.

I'm pretty conservative fiscally, so we were being really cautious about staying in our range.

And it kept coming down in price because it was kind of out in the country and it was really before the housing boom took off a few years ago, and it finally came down in the top end of our range, and so you know, we're like, well, you know, what could it hurt, Let's just go ahead and go see it.

So we came out here and we instantly fell in love with the place.

I mean, it was just like, you know, it's like it's like love, you know, and you know, you know, and we did.

We fell in love with the place and it was just like where God wanted us to be.

And I got we were leaving and going back, and it was about thirty minutes away from where my wife was living at the time, and we were on one of the highways out here, major highway, and we were kind of like, oh, man, should we put a bit on the house?

You know?

I don't oh, you know, should we do this or not?

And we were kind of hmming and hunt around and I'm not kid you not on the side of the highway.

It's there's this sign that says, uh, feeling confused, Jesus can help, okay.

But the the best part about this is a few weeks prior, we were going to these houses and we could not.

We couldn't even the housing boom had just started, so like these houses were like selling the same day they were going up.

It was insane, like we couldn't even get to the house to see it before it would go pending.

And this kept happening to us, and we were wound up at this house that was just like I loved it.

It was this great a frame you know, cabin with like seven acres and it was in the country and it was just awesome.

Would have loved it.

And it went pending like right as we were pulling into the property.

And so we look around and I get in the car and I'm kind of throwing a little mini baby fit on the way home, you know, getting frustrated and you know, and having my little man tantrum and I kid you not on the side of the highway the the exact same people, in the exact same style, the exact same billboard says, feeling frustrated, Jesus can help.

I have pictures.

I have pictures of all this.

It's so crazy.

And so, then, you know, I get home after we come and visit our house now, which was even you know, and I kind of gritted through my teeth after that, you know, it kind of collected myself and I'm like, okay, God, I know you've most have something better playing, but I don't know how, you know, kind of doing that idiotic thing.

And we came in and saw this, and then we saw the billboard on the way home, and I got back to I dropped her off at her house.

I went back to my apartment and I sat there and I'm like, why why some of the things about the house were so familiar to me?

And then it dawned on me, and so I called her and I'm like, hey, you remember how I was telling you that these numbers that you know, were really familiar to me about the house, and she's like yeah, and I'm like, you're not going to believe it, but it's actually a really important detail in my life lined up.

The numbers were perfect, and it's like so crazy that it couldn't be coincidence.

And so these things just kind of kept stacking up where it's like, clearly this is where if we were meant to be.

So it's just kind of a fun story about our house and how we got here.

So yeah, seeing the signs on the highway literally literally.

So well, you know what.

There was this guy my neighbor after I wrote my first book, my neighbor.

She wasn't a Christian at the time and her father was a pastor though, so her father was at the house next door.

He was digging dirt on something and then he said, it's so nice to meet you.

Thank you so much for writing that book, and thank you so much for being my daughter's friend.

And I said, no problem.

He said, he said, because my daughter needs someone like you.

I said, okay, that's wonderful, I'm here.

And then he says, you know what, I believe that God speaks to us all the time, all day long, but we just don't listen.

We're just so busy, he said, if we just calm down, just like like when you were saying that just now, Kyle, how you said you know you have questions.

Jesus has the answer.

Are you frustrated small things like that that probably happens all day long?

God is talking to us and we're just like bypassing it, not realizing that this is what God is saying.

One and I agree.

You want to know how how I know that I made the right decision.

So I told you I was going to give myself forty days before I left, right, and if on the fortieth day, well I'm gone.

Count of those forty days I had a And mind you, I did not plan this.

I just picked a random day when I said this, right, and I ended up getting the ticket right.

So I get get on the bus and uh, there's actually a delay in Houston, So I didn't get there the day I was supposed to.

But because of that delay, I got there on my fortieth birthday.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Wow, Okay, forty days fortieth birthday confirmation.

Yeah, forty is kind of important.

Yeah, it's the number of trials and testing come on.

Over and over again.

In scripture, forty shows up.

Yeah, forty seven.

There's a couple numbers.

What made you the ministry?

Because the church people were getting on my nerves so okay, so I was going I kept going to church, and I'm like, these people are so doubtful.

I mean, like I would just have like experience after experience where I'm like, Lord, the church is so sick and they're comfortable.

They're like comfortable in their ignorance and they're confident in their ignorance, and I'm like, Lord, we're just a weak army.

We're just so like we have we're like the most powerful.

We are the most powerful army in the universe, literally, but we don't even see it that way, just like, yeah, God has given us the full armor of God, whole armor of God.

And they say it's so nonchalantly, not realizing you have no idea.

You have the best weaponry ever created literally by Heaven itself given to you, and you don't even know what to do with it.

You just think it's a metaphor.

You don't even think it's real.

You don't even know how to use it, you don't know what it is and then you know, we God has given us how many how many?

Yeah, He's given us six weapons, right, I mean six pieces of our armor.

Think about six pieces of our armor.

That tells you the number of men right is made for us?

And then only there are five that are defensive and there's one that is offensive.

The only offensive weapon that God gave us is the word of God.

And then but the thing is a lot of the church don't care.

They don't know.

So one day I was talking to this pastor and we were talking about like the power of God and stuff like that, and he was super duper conservative in a bad way though.

He was like, we don't really need to fill the power of God.

We just need to believe because we have the Bible, and God speaks to us to the Bible.

So how God speaks to me is just to the Bible.

I'm like, well, you tell that to everybody who was written you know before like the before say the Torah was written, or to you know people, you just you tell that to people, well in the Old Testament, you know, and even in the New Testament, who didn't even have the scriptures of Jesus.

Yet God, yes, he speaks to his writings, but he speaks to you first, and I'm like, this man is getting on my nurse.

And then we were talking about you know how sometimes when the Lord you know, falls on you so much, and a lot of people I understand this hasn't happened to before, but when the Lord hits you so much, you literally pass out.

You're like you just someplace else, Okay, you just like the Lord touches you and you're on the floor.

Well he's using it as literal.

Well, if you think about it being slain in the spirit, that means to die.

So I mean you only thought I once in Christ and I can't take it anymore.

I said, I can't take it.

This is horrible.

So I said, I don't want you to be my pastor.

So I said, okay, this church, the church itself, is so sick and they're weak and they don't know the weapons that they have.

So then I said, you know what, I started deep Believer, but it was honestly by accident.

There was this notification in LinkedIn from a woman named Linda, and she asked me to interview.

I've never done an interview before prior to this, okay, and then she asked you no, a man named doctor san Kojo Glanian.

He's like one of the top heart surgeons in America, like the top cardiologist.

And at first I'm thinking, no, absolutely not.

I've never interviewed anybody.

How did you find me?

And I don't even like I have Okay, I had a YouTube channel, just like everybody has a YouTube channel.

Like you sign up just to have a channel, right, You just sign up and then you can look at videos.

And I just like posted like poems I wrote and little stories I wrote, but nothing special.

And I'm like, whyhul she write me?

So I decided I'm not going to But then the Lord kept working on me and I didn't write her back yet, and I'm like, I'm not going to do it.

But then I said, you know what, nobody knows about my channel.

I have about twenty eight followers right now.

Nobody's going to watch it anyway, so why not let's just do it.

So I wrote her and I said, sure, I'll do it.

So I interviewed doctor Sam Kojo Glanian.

Had no idea that this video will go viral.

That was the first video, the very first one.

Now, if you see two people before them, those are just my girlfriends.

And those are the ones who say, oh yeah, yeah, I'll go on and make it look like you already You've already been established the way back.

Those were just like my my fillers to make it look like I had something going on.

But but but the reason why I continue because my husband said, Gin, you have to keep going.

I'm like I do.

He said, yeah, the world needs toy.

Hear what God is saying.

So I'm like, okay.

So so then I said, well, okay, channel's gonna be called deep believer.

Has to be called deep believer because this is for deep believers, not shallow believers.

Only believe.

God can only do so little bit God.

Whatever God says, he meant it, and he said do it.

And but you're not doing you're not doing on your own accord nor your own power.

But God is doing it through you.

So do you have not a worry about Just like this pastor, awesome pastor Joe Kirkwood.

Matter of fact, we just had a night with the King at his church.

He helped holst it and he said miracles are easy.

And he even wrote a book that's called Miracles are Easy.

And he said, Jennifer, do you know why miracles are easy.

And I said, why, Joe, he said, because I'm not the one doing the miracles.

God is doing it.

I just do what he says.

I listen to the word, and I trust God.

I don't need to doubt because he said it, so he has to live up to what he said.

So I'm like, okay, all right.

So that's how basically ministry got started in my life.

I'm like, Okay, Christians need to know because we're so comfortable in our ignorance.

And I truly believe that, yes, there are some things we do have to go through in life hardships, but there's a lot of things we really don't have to.

And we just think that God's will when it's not.

It really isn't.

And I always say this, not every fight is a battle, guys, and not every battle is a war.

So you need to learn how to decipher which is which and which is worth fighting for and which isn't.

Almost like how they say fight your battles, I mean pick your battles, your battles.

Yeah, but yeah, I said, it's church is so sick and these witches no more.

And I'm like, as a matter of fact, I'm sorry rambling, but this one I just it was like aha moment.

So I interviewed a woman.

She's a sweetheart named Genesis Grant.

She's a flight attendant, and she says something so interesting and it made my mind go.

She said, when you're in certain places, when you fly over certain places, you feel certain things.

And then she said, any flight attendant can tell you this.

The atmosphere changes as you fly to certain regions, certain states.

She said, just changes.

Every flight attendant knows this.

They feel it.

There may be confusion or crankiness on the plane in one place, but then another total piece and it's always the same spots.

So she was saying, so there's certain high places where you can go in which you know the atmosphere is different.

And she was explaining because she knows about a lot about their cult.

She was like, you know there's a lot of high places.

Which I know is I live in Colorado, where witches are everywhere, name everywhere.

It's the most annoying.

Okay, so let me stop rambling.

So long story short, Witches go up on mountains and what they do is they go to high places, and when they go to high places, they spew incantations to certain areas in which they feel threatened by in order to take over the land.

So I told my husband that, and I'm like, I am sitting on this and I'm like, Jesus he went up to pray on mountains a lot, you know, Moses, you know he went up to pray.

I he even went up to the mountain to have lunch with Was it the Father?

Who do he have lunch with?

Remember was an exodus who went up to the mountain and he had lunch with God on a mountain.

And I'm like, okay, So a lot of things happen on high places.

So I'm like, these witches know that there is some kind of power that they can obtain.

But what about us?

Because Jesus did it, why can't we go up to the mountain.

Why can't we do like Jesus doo?

Why can't we be like Jesus go up higher and pray.

What's the difference between pray and higher and lower?

I don't know, but you Bible shows that a lot of people who prayed, they went high to pray and things happened.

So I don't know.

It's supposed to be some kind of thinning of.

The veil exactly, so, like the veil thins as you get higher, absolutely right, so, like the vins, the veil thins.

But why does the occultinal that and then believers don't Yeah, no, why don't we know that?

Well, Sergio, we know now.

Right, Yeah, it's fascinating.

Like you see, transfiguration happened on top of what I believe to be her moone.

Right, I think that the temptation happened.

I think Satan actually took Christ to mount Hermon.

Yeah, up on the high mountain, right, we can see that.

I mean, this is repeated over and over again, so that makes it makes a ton of sense.

And uh, the other thing to Sergio, I was thinking of the conversation that we had with Pastor Brian, because he at the end of our conversation with Pastor Brian, he was talking about how they were doing the sacrifices on top of the hill and they went up there and basically prayed over the altar, you know, to sanctify the altar to take away the power, and then they came to him afterwards.

But again high place, so makes a lot of sense.

Colorado would make sense too.

What you got right there come on out.

You got a bunch of rocky mountains, right you got a bunch of mountains right there, so high places.

We are six eight hundred eighty eight feet above sea level.

And when I say I lived in New England, where witches are everywhere, New England has nothing on Colorado, I say it all the time.

People don't say it because they're blinded by the mountains.

I don't care.

I don't know if it's some spell that they have here.

But you tell people, ask people, how do you like it out here?

I love it.

I'm like, you have friends here?

No, do you have family?

No?

What do you have?

The mountains?

I'm like, it's really a spell about the mountains.

Is so weird.

It's so weird.

And but they honestly, witchcraft is very common here.

It's like your neighbor could be a witch and they're very open about it.

It's like a community of witches, but they hide behind Christianity, which is really weird.

It happens, it happens.

Yeah, But I've never been to a place where since I moved moved here, which is Ashley rejecting to my home, people shape shifts in front of me, their eyes turned to a serpent.

I'm like, what kind of land am I in?

Why is this?

And then I warned people, it's so funny.

I warned people.

I'm like, look, you're gonna come out here and make sure you stay preyed up.

Yes, it's pretty.

Colorado Springs is gorgeous, but look you have witches and then you have the occult, and then the spiritual warfare is like none of ever encountered my entire life ever.

Okay, So just pray.

It's beautiful and Jordan Land, go go explore.

This is like God's land.

Okay, I'll get information back.

Yo.

I came to Colorado Springs.

It was nice, but I had some weird dreams where I was in the spaceship where I always taking it to a different realm, and they said, I'm here to destroy the land.

I'm like, I told you, And then another one and then then another one.

I wanted another one.

Last year for a night with the king.

Some of our French drove across country to attend a night with the king, and I said, make sure you pray and their prayer warriors, and I said, because there's a lot of spiritual warfare in this city where you're blinded by the Christianity here and then the mountains.

Okay.

So they get here and they're in the room, a hotel room with their kids, and the next thing you know, there's a man and a woman banging on the door.

Open the door, We're going to kill you.

And then this is three o'clock in the morning, and they're like, what's going on?

What's going on?

So then her husband like, he said, calm down, calm down, and he's like, no, open the door so we can kill you.

Open the door so we can kill you.

Yes, okay, And then she calls me up the next day, Jennifer, you aren't lying.

Something weird happening, I said.

I told you Colorado Springs is not for the faint of heart.

If you come here that if God calls you here, that means you're here for a purpose.

You're here to do something powerful and strong.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's how I used to I used to know that people were into witchcraft and stuff because I would see them astro project around me.

I could see them and like, oh, they're like keeping taps on me, you know, come on.

And one of the things is, uh, you know how earthquake Kelly said that they'll take something from you and they'll hide it something in the ether.

Mm hmm.

I put it down.

I dropped the lighter one time and I seen the hand come out of nowhere and pull it into the buckness.

Yeah, And I couldn't find the lighter after that, it was gone.

What did the hand look like?

Just I had no normal hand hand.

See, there are people in the modern church that would hear this conversation.

I think the three of us need to be committed.

And that's the problem.

That's the problem that we talked about earlier.

I was interviewing somebody here recently and he was talking about he was in service and he is very attuned to the spiritual realm okay, and he was sitting in church and he looked over and he's like, I saw which I know she was a witch.

I could tell by the way she's acting.

I could just feel it coming off of her.

I could sense it.

She was right in the front row of the church and the during service, and I thought to myself, if that church was worth anything that which wouldn't want to be within one hundred miles of that church?

Wow?

Wow, you know, And the fact that they're using Christianity to infiltrate tells me everything I needn't know about the current status of the church.

Yep.

But remember Jarre Marris.

He even said when he went to church, he wasn't supposed to go to church.

He had asked the devil for permission.

But then the one time that he went to church, you know, because the devil always said, yeah, you can go, because that church is weak.

That church is weak.

Well, that one time he went to church because of a girl.

They did it all took hall earlier than they would usually because he would just leave right before, but they did it off script, right after praise and worship.

And then you know, he manifested demons, you know, and he choked the man up, he choke the pastor up.

But you're so right, you know, why do witches and warlocks feel comfortable and that church shouldn't feel comfortable.

And you know what, he spoke on so much stuff that when I first seen him, he went to a botanica and you was talking about Santia and stuff like that, and how all that is actually hidden in Catholicism yep, and everything just clicked like no wonder that makes so much sense now?

Well, you know when we visited Rome was the last year or the year before.

It's like it's different when you see things with your eyes, and everybody wants to go to Rome and see what it's about.

But when you went there, I went there and we saw these different castles and all this stuff.

But you've realized as you're looking, it's as if when the apostle Paul brought Christianity to Rome, it's as if they didn't get rid of the paganism.

They just mix it in.

I don't know when you go.

When you go there, you'll see like a castle for our angel Michael, but you don't see anything for Jesus.

You'll see Jesus in the background, but everything is worshiping of angels or worshiping of saints.

But it's as if they really never got rid of the paganism.

But what they did is they mixed Christianity with the paganism, kind of making Catholicism, which is why you see the worship of idols and the worship of sa and all these different weird doctrines.

Because it was just.

A Constantine and his mommy did right.

Yeah, they didn't want to they didn't want to accept the Christianity for what it was, so they basically took out all the feast, anything that was Jewish and came up with their own little amalgamation of a religion just to have everybody under their control.

Yeah, well the first things they did, you know, three hundred because it was Constantine.

That was the huge hinge point.

And what you can find when you go through history is up to that point.

Actually, the Satan's tactics was much like we normally know him for, which was murder and death.

Because all the first few popes were actually martyred, so they actually consider Peter obviously their first pope.

But you get to three hundred and it's like the script changes because it's like we know, right, I've said this so many times lately, but it's just the truth.

The Church thrives under persecution and dies under prosperity.

And that's why the Church in America is in the state that it's in, because we're very prosperous, you know.

And you look over now Africa, like South Africa, you know there or places not South Africa, but places in Africa right now where they're being they're being martyred, you know, in high numbers.

And that's the church crows under that.

So sorry, serge, go ahead.

Oh it's okay.

One of the things that did stand up to me.

Now I'm not I'm not sure how true this is, but it's something that stood up to me.

In ancient times, what they would do, like let's say, or religion comes in and it takes over.

Usually what they do is they build over whatever sanctuary was already there.

So let's say there was a Jewish temple and the Islam came in, they would put their their mosque on top of the synagogue, or if it was Muslim, or if it was what's called Roman, they would put it over the pantheon to their gods.

Whatever.

So one of the things that was said about, you know, how Jesus was in front of Mount Herman, and this is a very famous scripture where it says on this you know, Peter tells them that he's the Messiah, and he says, on this rock, I shall build my church.

Right.

Well, one of the thoughts is that he wasn't talking about Peter.

They were at Mount Herman, that's right.

So he's building on top of the rock of the gates of Hell, basically, that's right.

Yeah, that was a cessory Philippi, which geographically is the closest place to Mount Hermone.

So that is it's and you can still even to this day, you can go there and they have the grotto of Pan that they used to sacrifice their kids.

They would throw their children in there and if the streams were atting red, then they knew the sacrifice wasn't accepted, and they would just keep thrown kids in until it would run clear.

See Christians needn't know that, only because I went there two years ago and I was with a church group and you're like, ah, let's take pictures, and they were taking all these happy pictures right there, and I'm like, do you even know what happened here?

I mean, like I think they haven't called that like the Gates of Hell or something like that.

And I'm like, I'm not taking a picture.

And then like post us in my house of you know, the you know gates of Hell where they like you said, sacrifice kids, and.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Worse than that, some of them say, let's take a souvenir bring that into their house.

M yeah, that's a Sergio.

So I wanted to ask him, have you ever gotten any guests on your show that you never thought would come on.

I don't know, but never thought.

I just didn't never imagine that it would grow to where it grew too.

Okay, like it's really cool.

Okay, you mentioned Earthquake Kelly.

I saw him years ago, probably twenty years ago, and you know, like everybody I will watch, I admired.

You know, I had him on my show, like for instance, Earthquake Kelly so cool.

We became very close friends, very close friends, and you know, we went to his funeral when he passed away, and that was very nice.

I didn't think we would have John Ramiroz and I saw him years prior to Kyle Winkler.

He was the most humble guy.

I saw him on sid Roth years ago as well, and then I learned so much from him, and he's his thing is shut up Devil.

You know he's all about because he used to be an introvert, really bad introvert.

But he explains how the devil can't do anything without messing with your mind.

So I'm like, oh, wow, this guy is so good.

I had him on my show.

Never thought I would have him on.

I used to see Katie Susa on on on sid Raw too.

Never thought I'd have her on my show, cool people.

Never thought I would have these wonderful people on here where I learned so much from.

But yeah, it's not that I didn't imagine.

It's just like I didn't think that, you know, it would come so far where I would be able to, you know, have them all, which is really good.

The inside is phenomenal.

But honestly, my favorite aren't the big names.

My favorite are the ones that nobody knows.

I think those are the best.

Deep if it means anything, Jennifer, I would I never thought i'd be talking to you.

I'm stoked now.

But it's people like you, who I like Sergia, who like like not many people know, which is really good because I'm like, this is what people need to know.

They need to know that everyday, people like you and I are having supernatural experience that God is speaking to them.

And God doesn't just speak to people with platforms or with people who are big names out there.

He speaks to anybody and everybody he would like.

So yeah, amen, Amen, Okay.

How about this one.

Have you had any guests on your show that what they spoke about kind of changed your paradigm, or changed the way you thought, and or changed the way your doctrine.

If so, who and how did that change?

That's a good question.

Not changed my doctrine.

But I did learn a lot from some people.

Like Okay, for instance, this guy named Norman Miller, so funny.

So he's a guy who he's ex Mormon, and he just is funny.

He has like little hair, he's like a hair hat.

I don't know.

He has like a head of like raccoon here, I don't know.

Whatever.

So he used to be he used to be an Amish, Amish guy, and I learned from him.

He taught me something really interesting.

He said, whenever you see dogs barking, because he used to astra project.

Because his story is long, story short, he sold his soul to Satan for seven years.

So he was and this happened at a vacation Bible school while he was Amish, Okay, while he was seven years old.

So the devil was he was like it was almost like the cartoons where like you have like a double on one shoulder and God another saying don't do it, and the Devil's like, look, you can serve Jesus.

After seven years, So the devil.

He felt like a devil gave a good deal, so he took it, and then after that he was able to asher project.

So he was saying how he was able to astra project to his cousin's house who lived blocks away on a different farm, because you know, Amish is all land and then you have like houses and yards not yards acres away another house, blah blah blah.

So as he's flying, he said, no one is supposed to see him, And Sergery, you said something really important.

You said that you would see people asher projecting.

You're not even supposed to see that.

So the fact that you see that, that shows God is really doing something with you where you're very special, Like God has given you that ability to have open eyes to see that.

So you're not supposed to see them, he said.

But the ones who see who always saw him was the animals.

He said.

So whenever you see a cat hiss at nothing, or if you see dogs barking at nothing, and then their tail isn't wagging, if it's like their tail is down out of fear, they're seeing something, he said, More than likely, they're probably seeing something in the spiritual realm.

That's what's happening.

So he said, so whenever you see a dog barking at nothing, seemingly nothing, with their tail between their legs, is because they're singing to the spiritual realm.

I didn't know that.

And then, which is really cool, He confirmed the Bible too, where his aunt and uncle were prayer warriors, so he was able to go inside the house wherever he could.

He could see everything inside the house, but the one ere he couldn't see was his aunts and uncle's bedroom.

He said there was a holy barrier around their room where you couldn't see anything.

Loves of blocks.

So that's that earthquake, Kelly, like you said, was that a need him spirit?

What did he say the little Neddie?

He said that little spirit was called something that takes your takes your keys and you can't hide them, and you think it was in your mind, Neddie.

He said some kind of.

Spirit, avenger spirit or something like that.

Not the avenger, it was.

It was a name because he did talk about the avengers, but there was a special name for this one little like troll little thing because he said they're super small.

Remember, he said, they're super small and they take your things to but let me say, it.

Happens a lot.

And it's like he was saying, and this is where it just made so much sense, and so you curse yourself and tell yourself, I must be going crazy.

Huh.

Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to try what it is here, but I'm not finding it.

No, he says it, and I think it may have been don A live when he said it too.

It was a live and it was a I think it was around Thanksgiving probably two years ago.

I'm thinking Thanksgiving.

I think it was Thanksgiving about two years ago.

He was talking about that.

So, yeah, if you can find that, so let me say and then who else, let me say.

A lot.

I don't know.

I learned so much, you know what's in Dave Brian.

You interviewed Dave Brian, and he honestly helped out a lot too, because he he is the I guess he is the perfect example of stop being scared of the devil.

Because he told these these witches and warlocks, he was like, look, we're going to a showdown.

He said, you can do all your witch craft all you want, but I got Holy Spirit with me behind.

And he said, oh and I got my guns too, So you know, so you want to pink, you know.

So that's the kind of that's how Christians are supposed to be, but we're aught that we're supposed to be kind of like wish yeah, pushovers and matter of fact, I even heard and like and it's a shame because when a lot of people read the Bible, they feel like we should be like certain people in the Bible, but it's not true a lot of times.

For instance, you have the first Christians, right, yes, they died at the as Martyrs, but a lot of them didn't even fight back.

And I'm like, and even it's like one pastor because this is what I always saw one past was like, but you have to fight for something.

You can't just like, oh, just take me fight for something, like look at the New Testament.

They fought.

They fought, you know, to the death, you know, for something, but they just lay there.

And it's as if like that's this is just that part of you know, the Bible just telling us the history of like they did.

They're like, we're not going to fight, We're just going to give up.

But that's how they were.

But that's not saying how we should be.

It's just saying how that's what they did.

The first question they did, they didn't fight back, and then they did become martyrs.

And the greatest reward, you know, is it become a martyr.

You know.

But you really gets me is people that aren't Christians and they're trying to tell you how you're supposed to live your Christian life all the Christian Oh that's not very Christian like.

But oh, you know, you know Jesus, you know Jesus right now.

God, Jesus said turn the other You didn't say let them let them slap you to death exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah, well the last commands he gave to his disciples was get a sword.

Thank you.

Sorry, sorry kyleguage.

Yeah, it's basically the way I interpret that verse in that passage.

You know, a lot of people try to get really figured with it, and I think you're making it.

I'm like, I think you're making it a little bit more complicated than what it means.

That I think it means is, hey, I'm not gonna be around to protect you and they're going to come for you, so you might want to get yourself a sword.

You know.

It's it's different if somebody is you know, you know, abusing you verbally or whatever.

You know, there's there's limitations, right, but when someone's literally going to try to take your life, well, physically attack you, you don't you don't have to sit there and just let them do that, you know.

You know.

It's like I always think of the passage too, because I love I love Solomon's writings and Proverbs Ecclesiastes, you know, and you have you have him saying and I think it's Proverbs, he's like, you know, or maybe it was Jesus.

I think it was actually Christ, not now that I think about it, not even Proverbs, but I think it was Christ that was talking about like which you know, if the if the man would have known that the thief was coming to break into his house, who wouldn't have you know, stayed up to fight him off?

Basically is what he's saying.

You know, I'm like, you're not going to just like say hey, you can't come in.

You know, you're going to have to actually do some stuff, you know, So the mat for you, Yeah, he's under the mat.

Never mind the shotgun around getting racked.

It's still paying attention to that.

It's okay, yeah for sure.

Yeah, So Jen tell me a little bit about what your perspective is and what what do you think about the ten end times?

And what do you think we are on the prophetic calendary.

I like the end times?

Okay, okay, so here I'm like, okay, okay, okay, so okay.

Here's here's how I see it.

This is how person when I read the scriptures, I see that people ask where are we in the timeline?

Actually believe we're in chapter three of Revelations.

We're still in the church age.

The first three books of uh, sorry, the first three chapters of Revelation talks about the churches, how they are, you know, where they are in their faith.

And there's only two churches that God actually saw fit.

One was a martyr church okay, one was more church, and then the other was a church of Philadelphia.

So I think that we're in age right now.

We're in chapter three right now where God is pressing us and proving us and he's getting us ready.

I personally, and I'm sure a lot of the world is probably with me on this one.

We want Jesus to hurry up, But then we think about so many souls who are coming to Jesus, like with the Charlie Kirk thing.

I had no idea.

Honestly, when Charlie.

I followed this kid since he started so when about a month before he was assassinated.

I actually I was mesmerized by him because I mean, he just grew so strong.

I'm like, is this the same young man who I saw, you know, with Candice Owens when she first started, and because she started off as a liberal, which really irritated me, and then she conservative and she kind of got rightful, but now she's kind of acting weird now.

But anyway, but I just saw them and start with her, and I remember he was just so young, and he was a scrawny kid, and now he's just like he's on fire for Jesus, and now he's doing apologetics and like like and he's saying, get married, young, have as many babies as you want, now you know us Lord, And he's just saying like things that are biblical and like people are hating it, and I'm like, what in the world.

And this kid could debate like anybody, and it's like the Lord speaks to him.

And then I just saw all this and I'm like, wow, I mean, I'm just so proud of him, and I'm like, oh, he's married now because I didn't know he was married.

And then I'm just so proud of him.

I just followed them and then to see, you know, him being assassinated.

This is where this is when I realized, Okay, we're towards the end.

I never in a tillion years, guys, Okay, we read the Bible how the two witnesses they would be killed, and then people were celebrating in the Bible, and then we were sending each other gifts.

Well we know that.

You know.

Three days later they the resurrect Charlie Kirk the in resurrect.

When I put this video out, I'm sorry if I'm rambling.

I put out a video saying this.

I said, I never could fathom.

You know, what was it?

Revelation?

Was it eleven?

No?

But for something Revelation is something I forgot what chapter it was where it says that, you know, when the two witnesses, they were hated so much because they preached the gospel, they hated him, but when they were assassinated, people celebrated.

I can never fathom that until Charlie Kirk and I'm like, and that's all Christian celebrating it Christians.

I'm like, you Heathens, what is happening here?

But I just never could fathom it.

So I'm like, okay, this is if, like this is a precursor to what's to come, almost like a desensitization.

Where is this what's going to be happening?

And then I got emails from all over the world saying, I live in Australia and they're doing that here too.

I live in Europe, They're doing that too.

You have some that are happy, but a lot that are devastated, but they can't wrap their minds around why people are so happy about it.

And I'm like, this is like the Bible coming to life.

So people in other countries too.

The country, Yes, this has been all around the world, Sergio.

I had no idea, and I got emails from everywhere around the world saying everybody.

I'm like, I didn't even know Charlie Kirk.

This is the thing.

I didn't know he even had that reach.

I don't even know if he knew he had that reach.

But after he got assassinated.

I don't want to say it like this, but I'm gonna say it.

It is almost if he had to be in order for the world to get right, to get back the church and talk about Jesus and like surrender, because right after he died you have people who are like, I've never been to church, but because of Charlie Kirk, I'm going now.

I'm bringing my family, I'm bringing my kids.

I haven't been a church since I was six years old.

And this is a worldwide like exodus from the world to Jesus.

And I'm like, Charlie Kirk, who would ever thought like you would think it'd be Billy Graham or somebody else.

It was a young thirty one year old who just had a zeal for truth in Jesus, and it just took him to be assassinated.

It's like the devil always overplaced his hand.

He thought that he was just taking out a voice.

No, he just drew everybody back to Jesus.

So I'm like, Okay, now the world is going back to Jesus.

The world is going back to church.

And it's not just in America or Europe, It's all over the globe.

So I'm like, so where are we in end times?

I think we're here.

I would like for him to henry up, but I know Jesus loves people more than we do, you know.

But it's yeah, I think we're here and like yeah, And September twenty three was kind of funny because I didn't even know anything about September twenty third until like somebody called me up, Hey, you hear about September twenty September twenty third.

I'm like, what it's like, Oh, the rapture is supposed to be happening.

Really okay, I'm like, look, just be ready whenever, Just be ready whenever you stop giving me these dates because you have people selling their homes and then after they leave, they leave the faith because they're like, oh where was God?

And you might yep, So we talked about this.

Me and Kyle were talking about this other y.

I've seen a clip of a bunch of people in Africa.

Huh.

They all went to the woods and there was a big gathering and they're just waiting there.

They waited, They're all all day and nothing happens.

Yeah, imagine how many people lost their faith.

Because I'm saying and like the beautiful, the zeal is beautiful, the hunger is beautiful, but honestly, just be ready.

Jesus literally said he says, he's he literally said watch and wait for me, but he didn't.

We won't know the exact time because it's like a million time zones.

How it was twenty four time zones, twenty three times zones.

We're not gonna know.

Just be ready, don't don't you know, set dates because people are always wrong.

It's been happening since forever.

Just just be ready.

That's the thing is like, Ultimately, at the end of the day, I always say on my show, it doesn't make you know what, no matter what your eschatology is, I always like to say it kind of really doesn't matter because the mission never changes.

Man.

You know, the mission never changes.

We have the same command, which is to preach the Gospel to all the nations.

Whether it's five minutes before Christ returns or fifty thousand years, it doesn't make any difference.

The mission never changes.

Now, it's good to be awake and aware of what's going on and just kind of because you can see some of the markers that are happening.

But the Kirk thing too, One of the things I noticed about it, similar to you, was I think that was a I think for those of us that have already been awakened.

It was kind of like watching other people experience the level of vitriol and joy in the fact that someone literally was just violently murdered on camera, And it was like a splash of cold water in the face for a lot of people that were kind of, you know, not really serious about their faith.

And what I've been telling everybody is, make no mistake about it, those people would just be as just as happy for you to have that same bullet, because if you believe any of the same things that Charlie Kirk believe, they would be just as happy if you took the bullet too.

Wow, because that's just the fact of it.

That's deep.

You know.

I was wondering.

I was wondering too.

I was wondering after I said, I wonder how many Christians would be willing now to take a shot like that too, to take a shot like that after because honestly, I've raised my hand.

I'm like, for Jesus, I'm like, look anything for Jesus whatever.

I don't want to, but you know, it may come to that point, who knows, you know, But but you know, I don't know.

I was, well, how much are we willing?

Matter of fact, I was interviewing someone in a Muslim country and this person was very enough to be very careful, very careful about what they said.

It's so in love with Jesus.

When I say in love and love with Jesus.

But they said, but I have to be very careful, and they said, you know, I want to, you know, it's an honor to die for Jesus.

But I'm really young right now, right, you know, I don't want to, but I'm willing to.

I hear you.

Yeah, my wife and I are having a great time together and it's exactly selfishly, you know, it's selfish and not at the same time.

You know.

But what the verse that popped in my head when you were talking just there was Philippians one twenty one, which is which for me, for me to live as Christ and to die is gain.

Yeah, so yeah, you know, speaking to Charlie Kirk too, this is amazing.

So when I saw that shot it was in Brooke, maher when I say, like, it took my breath away.

I just couldn't believe it.

I was like, the first thing I said, well, he's not here anymore.

I literally knew right away he's not here.

He's not here.

And my girlfriend called me up from Connecticut and she said, but he's still alive, still holding on.

And I'm thinking, I don't think he's gone.

They took him.

I'm like, like it was as if like the instant he got hit, is like the Lord just took him up, just took him O.

We just saw that there was nothing near even though his body was still, you know, pumping blood or whatever, he was gone.

And then I hear about stories like this all the time where I don't know who it was.

Maybe you guys know, but there was a pastor, very well known past but I don't remember who he was, and his daughter had died in a plane crash.

But what happened was this, they had a plane where they were minister all over the world and his daughter was gung ho for Jesus.

She was in her early to mid twenties, and when she was flying with his staff, they were going to another meeting so they can minister.

And what happened was I don't know what happened, but the only man who survived he said, your daughter, he said, she's always been such a preacher, giddy for Jesus, just on fire, like you had no doubt about her faith for in Jesus.

She was just so admirable.

But then he said, all of a sudden, about say, thirty seconds before the plane crashed, her body went limp.

And he said she was always hyper, always hyper.

Her body went limp.

And they were like, what happened to her?

They didn't know what happened until the plane crashed, and then it came back to him.

He was like, God took her before the plane go crazy.

Yeah, he took her before.

And I wonder if that's what happened with Charlie, right, I don't even know if he felt that.

I don't even know if Charlie even felt what.

I don't think he felt.

I just think he just would not.

It was like whoa, you know, who knows.

But sometimes God does wonderful things like that, where he takes you before you could actually feel.

Matter of fact, I said this in one of my meetings that I had, where I would hear stuff about the occult hold on Christmas, in Easter and especially Halloween.

Those in the occult would kidnap people who were Christians and they would take them to sacrifice them.

But in order to get the full sacrifice, you would, they would have to be alive first in order to kill.

Well, this was a huge complaint.

They said they really don't like taking true Christians because God would take them before the sacrifice would happen.

So they raised a dagger, their body would go lip and they would just die, and you're like, what the heck?

You know?

So so God does wonderful things like that.

I think that happened with my mom.

Actually, I think my mom was gone before she actually before her body actually stopped.

I think that her soul was already gone.

How does your mom pass?

If you don't mind me asking, She just just kind of ailing, you know, nothing crazy.

She had Parkinson's, a couple other things going on, harder issues and stuff, so it's just it was just kind of a longer drawn out process.

She had kind of by that particular point, become really unconscious and was not awake anymore.

And I think that I think God actually took her.

And I can't it's so crazy in my mind.

I can't remember if I was there.

My brother was telling me, and I pictured it in my head.

I don't remember exactly, but either I saw it, r He's saw it, and he said that kind of she was in a room and then the windows was kind of like a fifty style house where the windows are kind of higher up on the wall, you know, and the sun was kind of coming in, and he noticed that this this kind of something was going up towards like the in through the light beams, you know, out was going up and out.

I don't know.

Yeah, I can't really tell you, but yeah, that was was kind of crazy.

But there's an old experiment.

I was just looking it up from like nineteen oh seven.

It's it's supposedly been discredited by modern science.

Take that for what you will, exactly, but it's the theory of twenty one grams.

If you ever heard this, Yep, that's there always The soul wasys twenty one grams.

If you measure a person before and now, before and after death, there will be a twenty one gram difference.

Break again, let me get my pen.

I wouldn't run.

I wouldn't run to the bank and cash the check.

But it is it is an interesting thought.

Okay, wait, how much does Okay?

I'll I'll read a quick little blurb here just for everybody and for you as well.

The idea that the soulways twenty one grams originates from a discredited nineteen oh seven experiment by doctor Duncan McDougall, who attempted to measure the soul's weight by weighing dying patients.

And then it just goes on here.

So it says it's discredited, but obviously take that for what you will do your own research.

Don't trust, don't trust the Google box.

New cares what they say.

This is interesting.

I never heard that.

And you know, what's the thing with death and stuff like that is just it's so crazy and it shows you it's a picture that there is something else out there.

I remember when my grandfather passed.

We got a call right and my sister was going crazy, Hey, you know the hospital just called our Grandpa's probably gonna go.

We told my mom my Mom's like, I'm tired, I don't want to go.

So we found a way to get out there.

And before we were out there, she had the thought, let's go get let's go get my uncle.

So we went.

We called my all Gole, who was asleep.

He came out.

We went there and got to the hospital.

As we walk in, the doctor goes, uh.

He walks in with us and goes, oh, man, he just passed.

So it's like my grandfather waited, Yeah, he waited for us to walk in the room.

And and what's an even crazier connection is that we started thinking, man, were his three favorite people in the you know, and we all end up p together at this time.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

I remember my mom and I and my grandmother.

Before my mom passed, she was extremely close with my grandmother, my my dad's mom.

They lived with, she lived with him, and she was in her she was ninety nine and she got the flu and just never really was able to recover.

So she was in the hospital.

We were visiting her and she wasn't really lucid by this particular point, and everybody else had gone home, and I was the last person there and because I like saw him, and I was reading Ecclesiastes, and I read I think the first three chapters of Ecclesiastes to her, and I went to the nurse because it was pretty late by this point, at maybe ten, eleven, twelve o'clock, I don't remember, and I said they were planning on moving her to a hospice the next day, and I said, do you think she's going to be okay overnight.

I don't want to leave, you know, if she's you know, not going to make it.

And she said, yeah, she's been pretty stable all day.

I think she'll be all right.

And I went home and went to bed in a few hours later, we got the phone call that, you know, we needed to get down there and make it quick because she was getting ready to pass away, and we didn't make it in time.

But my mom and I prior to this, had been having a discussion about whether or not it was okay to be cremated, you know, from an afterlife perspective, you know, from that perspective, and we were like not sure, but we wanted to be and not really sure about it.

And I remember we get home after my grandmother passes, we sit down and she was like, you were the last one with her.

My mom asked me this and I said yeah, and she goes, what were you you were reading out of the Bible?

What were you reading?

And I said I was reading Ecclesiastes and she goes, would you please read to me what you read to her?

And so I start reading her the first three chapters of Ecclesiastes, but that is in the section in the Bible where it talks about dust to dust.

So through that experience, God was really answering the question that my mom and I had about you know, you came from dust and to dust you will return.

So whether it's you know, I mean, if you get put in the ground, eventually there's not gonna beeting left, you know, so you know, whether you do it ahead of time or you get paired and you do it, what's the difference?

And so it was just it was kind of amazing.

And I never even put that together when I was reading it to my grandmother.

Never never put it together.

Yeah, but when I read that back to my mom and we caught that, we're like, oh my gosh, you were reading exactly our answer in scripture on whether or not it's okay to be cremated right there.

So you know, that's.

Interesting because I used to ask my mom the same question when I was younger, and I said, what's the reasoning?

And she was like, because for the rapture, God needs something wrapped her back, you know.

I'm like, he's God, I'm sure he can find all the pieces of dust, and just like.

Pretty sure he's gotten together I'm pretty sure he's got What's he gonna do with all those folks that you know, have been in the ground after Christ for now a couple thousand years.

I appreciate it's probably not going to be too much left or you get eaten by like some wild animal, you know, and there's.

Fish to the lions.

Yeah right, yeah, well what about those folks you know?

Like well, I think Mussa Jennifer's point.

I'm pretty sure that you know, he's got of the universe can probably.

Collect to get happened.

Yeah, he can make that happen.

Boy, am I looking forward to that resurrected body.

That'd be really awesome.

Right, you're thirty years old?

Fish there you go?

Yeah, I know right, yeah, where we want to.

Have a near death experiences?

They say, you get about a thirty year old body that everybody looks about.

Everybody says that.

Yeah.

To be honest, though, I grew allergy to shellfish, and I can't wait.

I know God is gonna make it happen.

I don't know kill stuff in heaven, but I want my seafood.

She's hit a shrimp buffet day one.

Man, nasty lobster and crabs, okay.

Fair enough, exactly, there you go.

I'm with you.

I can't I can't do lobster, but I could do crabs.

So I'll be right there with you.

We'll be cracking shelves together.

Man, you're gonna get the big and all the garlic butter.

You can handle me.

Oh my gosh, there you go, There you go.

There's nothing nasty in heaven, so we're blurge.

We're not getting fat the bank.

Well, there's got to be eating in heaven.

I mean, if there's wine and we're gonna be partaking's got to be food.

Yeah, Lama's up there a supper.

We're gonna eat supper.

Supper man.

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see, like you know how all that's gonna shake out.

It's it's such a fun thing to sit around and like wrap.

Try to wrap.

My wife and I do this all the time over our coffee in the morning.

It's awesome.

Try to wrap your head around what things were, because really, ultimately we're going back to the garden.

I mean that's really that's exactly what's happening, right.

I mean, we're gonna go back to the garden and things are going to be restored to their rightful places what they originally designed to be.

And it's such a mind twist to try to think about what the earth was like and like how we actually were without sin being in the picture, because it's everything we experienced, the decay of our bodies, the decay of everything around us, the earth, the animals, all timelines, all that is sin, right, Sin is responsible for all of that, And so it's such a mind twist when you start asking, like my wife asked this great question.

She goes, so like, did banana peels rot like when they were.

With them?

Do they ever welcome moldy to brown?

Does do my avocados get moldy like they were yesterday when I went to go finally carve them up?

You know, like what happens?

So it's it's a it's a fascinating question.

You know, do you still stub your toe?

It's technically that's not a sin, right.

You know the lyrics, you know, well, okay, so remember that guy same was oral something not or a robbers or he he want to have it.

And it's like niece did to at the same time.

This was aded be in the sixties.

I'm a fine prett he saw the New Jerusalem and it was like a box or something like that.

Do you remember that guy?

Did you see that?

I do have to find it.

I think it was, yeah.

And he described it perfect and it was compared to the Bible.

It was like perfect.

And he described heaven like when I say to the detail, and he said exactly what you were saying, Kyle.

But your wife said, does things rot?

And here's what he said.

He said, a matter of fact, the book says it too.

I have to find that book.

It's called forty Days in Heaven.

They said, when you eat in heaven, there's no waste.

So because there's no waste, once you're done with it, it disappears.

Just eat what you want and then it's done because you don't want anymore, so there's no waste.

Yeah, the garbage man will not be a task in him.

Now you're out of the game.

Sorry, garbage man.

We're talking about that heavy new room.

I wanted to mention this and this is something that kind of blew my mind one time, like I said, take it with a grain of salt.

But we got into time right and they drew Basically, they drew a line on a piece of paper, and they said, this is all time from beginning to end.

Everything else is God.

So he's outside of time, right.

And you know how it says, you know, to be abbosent from the body is to be with the Lord.

Yep.

So you're leaving time and joining the Lord.

Right.

So he said, if let's say you die today, but you have a child, right that eventually is going to grow up and they're going to be follow the faith and they're gonna believe in God and they're going to eventually die and go to heaven as well.

Well, when you die, they'll already be there because it's outside of time.

Amen, there's a trip.

Yeah, it's hard.

That's another one too, like to wrap your head around, right because because time is such a construct of our human existence, and I think God did that for us so we wouldn't go crazy because when you try to wrap your head around you know, an eternal God like everything we know, even the universe and it's grandiose scale, right, and the sun you know, billions of years or however long the sun's going to last.

You know all these different things, right.

And I'm not talking about creation because I believe creation with seven days.

So don't you know, if you're going to listen to this, don't jump all over me.

But you know, we have these things that are clearly, you know, huge in scope and scale.

But everything, no matter how big it is, has a beginning in an end, a birth and a death, and so to jump outside of that from our human minds is very hard to to really kind of wrangle that in with the rope.

You know, it's hard to get your head around that.

It's fond to do, but it's hard to do.

But even a deeper one, how about this, Kyle, How the Bible says we are currently seated in heavenly places, So we're in two places at one time.

Yeah.

Well now and that trippy Yeah, I like.

So it comes to show that whether you're going to die and go to heaven or die and go to Hell, you're already there.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's true.

That's nut yet that's a nutty thought.

That's the thing too, is like, you know, the whole Charlie Kirk thing made me kind of I guess, I guess for me, you know, it made me realize, it made me look at things differently because I think a lot of times in our human flesh and our human mindset.

We want, we want revenge.

We have a bloodlust streak, right, we want we want that blood lust.

And the thing we need to remember is, you know, you shoot at Charlie Kirk and again, at the end of the day, it's not my place to say who is and who isn't going to get to heaven.

That's God's job and all power to him for it, because I wouldn't be the good person to do that.

But we can't examine the fruit, right, and some of the fruit looked like it was pretty good.

I mean, the man literally spent the last few days of his life, you know, or the last few minutes of his life, rather but alone days, you know, speaking about Christ.

You know so, but you know, at the end of the day, if he you know, he dies and he's of Christ.

We're eternal man, no matter no matter where you're going, you are an eternal being.

You know, Jennifer said this earlier.

You know we are We're not human flesh and blood, we're spirit and soul.

And you are an eternal being, whether that's eternal condemnation or eternal you know, seating in the heavenly realms.

And then finally the New Earth, you know when that happens.

And but we're going to be seated with with God in Christ.

You know.

But the thinking is is like, just like what we read in I think was Philippians, right, we die, it's gain, they die, it's eternal loss.

You know.

So it's always good to keep that in mind from the bloodless perspective because you know this, like the story of Jonah.

I always go back to Jonah, and you know the end of the story, God is basically telling Jonah, He's like, look, I sent you here because I don't want to have to kill these people.

Yeah, you know there's one hundred and one hundred and twenty thousand or however many people it was, and that's probably just the children.

Actually, I don't want to have to kill these people.

I don't want to have to destroy my creation because they're going to be gone forever.

You know, let alone all the animals, even finishes with that, let alone all the cattle.

And God doesn't want to have to destroy any of this creation, especially in certain circumstances, because they're going to be gone forever.

That's it.

It's over.

It's game over, man forever.

That's that's pretty heavy when you really stop and take a step back and think about that.

You know, one of the saddest things that I would think is the people that are around people that they know are lost and are thinking to themselves, I'm going to be the only one there.

Why go to heaven If I'm going to be the only one there.

All these people I love aren't going to be there.

Tell they think that's interesting.

Yeah, they do things like that, But the thing is when they get to Hell, they don't realize that they're not going to see yeah yeations, yeah, because everything good comes from God.

So like they think they're going to go to hell a party with their family and friends.

You don't have family in hell.

You don't have friends in hell because those are gifts from God.

So everything is void of God.

You don't have companionship, you don't have that.

You just tormented wherever by yourself.

So I know some of those people say you get a brand new body to endure the torture that you can.

I hear that, and then it just keeps on like recreating.

So you're being tortured and then they destroy it.

Then it's like all over again.

You hear that too.

Revolving cycle of torment.

Yeah, it's basically the way I've always read it is you're going to be given, and you're gonna be given that resura.

Everybody's going to be getting a resurrected body.

You're gonna be getting that thirty year old body.

Whether you're going to be going to heaven or hell is the difference, right, Heaven or the Lake of fire.

And you know, you're basically going to be burnt, but you're never going to be consumed, because that's kind of what Christ said, right.

He compared it to Gehenna and the Valley Gehenam, which is just I think to the east of Jerusalem where they once they got back from Babylon, they filled it in with trash and set it on fire so that they couldn't sacrifice their kids out there again because it wouldn't be ritualistically pure to do it.

And Christ uses that as an example, and he's like, where the worm never dies and the fire never consumes or something along those lines.

I'm butchering the text, but you know, it's basically the way that I've always read it is you're just gonna burn and you're never going to be consumed.

It's just going to be eternal torment.

But the worst part about it is that's the physical side.

Much to Jennifer, like you said a second ago, it's the emotional torment, right.

It's kind of like an inverse thing that Christ went through on the Cross, you know.

I think there was a moment where he was separated from the Father in some way, because that's where the line why have you forsaken me?

I think that's why he said that.

I think it's fulfilling prophecy on the one hand, but I think it's also for a second, he had to go through that in order to be a proper atonement, because that is effectively what is could be the punishment for us if we were to not have that sacrifice, And so that's exactly what they're going to feel.

They're going to feel that forsaken forever.

That's a terrifying thought.

That's a terrifying thought.

Yeah.

So, Jennifer, I wanted to ask you, can you tell us a little bit about your book.

Eh, my book, The Devil's Greatest Fear?

It actually talks a lot about what we're talking about right now, our authority, or we're talking about earlier, our authority in Christ.

So it's called the Devil's greatest fear.

How his lack of identity reveals his plan to still yours.

And it talks about a lot, actually a lot of things.

It touches on a whole lot, how we have power as born again believers, but don't even realize the power that we do have, which is why a lot of the times, a lot of us keep getting beat up because we take it and we think it's the will of God.

Oh, it must be God's will.

It must be God's will, but not everything is God's will.

But people say that to make themselves feel better, but it doesn't really work out too well.

And yeah, and then it talks about this.

I didn't know this either until reading the Bible and studying how m the devil does not even have a name, and that was actually taken from him.

This is why I always say the devil.

I don't say Satan or Lucifer anymore, because Lucifer wasn't even his name.

A lot of people believe it was.

But that actually started from this in a book too, I.

Forgot, but there was Vulgate Latin, since it was started in the Latin.

Vulgate translation.

Yes, and it did start in Latin, yeah, and there was it was a writer.

It was a sixteen or fourteen hundred something like that.

He actually is the one who actually made Lucifer a formal name.

Lucifer was actually a title Satan.

When the Bible was translated, it actually didn't read Satan and read the Satan, And the reason why they translated it into to Satan is for it to read better.

So so all of it was to give the devil an identity, because our names give us identity, just like humans.

What God God and humans are the only ones who can name anything.

We've been given that gift.

You don't see angels naming anyone.

You don't see demons naming it.

They can, demons can try to give you names, but they only give you functions like stupid idiot, you know.

But but but we're the only ones.

Just like, like, guys love cars, so they named their cars.

Hey, this is my girl Sally, you know, like, but we named things, yeah, because it's human nature to try to give, you know, things identity, because that's the way of identifying things.

But that's the same with the devil.

Though the devil lost his identity at the fall in this Bible, this Bible, this is not the Bible.

This book talks about that.

How because what was stripped from the devil, which was his identity, he's trying to take ours.

And you're gonna want to see how he tries to take our identity.

And it's not like an identity death kind of thing, but literally he wants to rip everything who you are, which is why we have the trans movement, we have the mutation of the body, we have confusion, everything to try to make you what you are not.

So that talks about that.

Matter of fact.

It was another one, the power, the power of her name.

When I used to live in Connecticut, there there's a there's a mansion there and heart for Connecticut called the Mark Twain Mansion is where Mark Twain used to live.

And we know Mark Twain.

We read them.

We all read them in school.

I don't know if they read now today in the schools, but when we were kids, right, we read Mark Twain and he was just a fun, rid, giddy, you know, encouraging.

But here's what happened.

So Mark Twain, I don't know if he was a loaner or not, but he bought this house in Heart for Connecticut, and the Mark Twain House is a house where everybody goes.

If you lived in Connecticut, you went to the Mark Twain House at least once.

This is almost like if you're in Philly, if burn and Philly goes at Independence Hall.

So anyway, here's a story that was always told to us whenever you have a tour.

Mark Twain was a great writer.

He loved cats.

But this house is haunted.

You'll always get that from the tour guide and they'll always tell a story which is this one one night, a security guard went downstairs in the basement.

When he went downstairs in the basement, plates were thrown at his head.

But no one was throwing anything.

Is all this is this is like, this is like a true story.

You'll hear all the time.

So during the month of October.

Every October they have haunted mansion tours where they talk about, you know, the Mark Twain House in a tour the mansion at nighttime to you know, to try to tap into the ghost hunting blah blah blah.

So during that I had to think, I'm like, what happened in that house For them to even say this house was haunt because again, like I said, I lived in New England where witches were, but there has nothing.

It has nothing to do with this part of America, which goes as creepy.

Anyway, long story short, Mark Twain did something stupid, but I don't think he knew what he was doing.

So his writing changed while living in that house.

He was always a fun writer, creative, very adventurous, to dark, dark and ominous.

Why what happened?

So when he bought that house.

I remember he was a lover of cats, and he often said that he loved cats more than people.

So he named these cats.

What he named these cats were Lucifer Bell's Abub Satan, Fear, and the list goes on.

He had all these cats.

Well, what happens if you're going to keep on calling the devil by his title?

Exactly, Hey, kame here, Satan, it's time to get your food.

Come here, Fear, Let's go lay in bed together.

You know, like you always calling all but you know we all know you look for trouble, it's going to come for you.

So the stuff that happened in that house was horrible.

So basically he lost a baby in that house, and we know it was eighteen hundred, so people died earlier and from sicknesses, but what happened in that house was horrible.

So basically he lost I think his son at about a year.

A year and a half.

His daughter became deathly ill.

I think she passed away as well.

Another daughter, she became super sick.

She survived, but she lived with the illness forever.

His wife became extremely sick the whole entire time she lived in that house.

You're like, what has happened in that house?

And his career went down the two not completely, but his writings changed because of it.

Because you know, everybody knows an artist what comes out of an artist.

You see in the painting, right, and they say, the more you heard, the more like beautiful it is.

But but with him, you know, the more he heard, he would write more in his stories and blah blah blah.

Well, anyway, he lost a lot of money, long story shirt, He had to move out of the house because he couldn't afford it.

So a lot of things happened in the house, and I truly believe it is because of what he unknowingly or knowingly who knows ushered into that house by the words that he said by the quote unquote names that he gave his cats, and he just kept calling out the devil.

And I always said, well, what happened?

What would have happened to him if he would have called his like animals, like nice names like faith and and like peace, so Jehovah, Jira or like so.

Yeah, So it talks about that, the power of words and how how be careful what you what you say, what you name things.

It's a lot.

It's a lot of this book is, honestly, it's one of the I wanted to write this for many years, but it wasn't until Charisma asked me to write it.

And I'm like, well, I guess so I hate writing, but I'll put it.

And this is like years worth of notes that I just put into a book.

As matter of fact, there's one chapter nine it's called Don't Dance with the Devil, And that's a chapter that I really like because a lot of Christians, especially Christians, this is basically written towards Christians, to be honest, so we can get on par back back into the battlefield where, yeah, where we like to play the Bible calls and some say we like to play the whoror you know, with God, one foot in the world, one fit with God.

And it's like prostitution.

It's like, who are you with?

You can't sleep with the enemy, why you're with God too?

It doesn't work like that.

And and I like to say, you know, while you're dancing with the devil, he's planning your assassination, so I wouldn't even touch it.

And then and then it also talks about using your weapons.

I'm gonna tell a quick, quick, quick story.

I'm gonna try to make it super short.

So is this chapter eight?

I think it's chapter eight, guys.

Chapter This is like my favorite story.

I wash.

It's called fight Fight, Fight, Yeah, chapter eight.

It's called fight Fight, Fight, And it's basically about a king.

Long story short.

A king.

He didn't have any kids.

Everything was prosperous in the land.

Everybody prospered, no one suffered.

If they suffered, there was always help a great land.

But one day he was walking down the street.

He was very personable, so he would go into the land and he would just in a village wherever, and he would just talk to the people converse.

One day he saw three orphans.

He fell in love with the kids.

He took them to the palace.

He gave them their right to choose whether he wanted to be and the story is a nice detailed story soul.

You can read the book if you want so.

Basically, he gave them the ability to choose whether they wanted him to be their father or not.

They all said yes.

Well, once that was the case, he knew that because these are my kids, I have to protect them because even though I'm loved, I know that I'm hated too around the world.

So I have to train them.

So what he did was he gave all the kids armors, all three armor and he wanted to train them.

He said, I'm giving you armors specifically made for each of you for your body shape, for your ability, and then I want to train you how to do it.

But it's all it's it's it's it's what it's it's not.

It's not forced, but we I encourage you to do it so you could do it.

Long story short, one kid.

First, they all went because it was exciting.

Yeah, I'm going to learn how to use the sword.

I'm going to use learn how to use my weaponry.

But what happened was one kid he stopped going.

Another kid just like stayed for half half of the you know, assessions and stopped in one.

One stayed the whole entire time.

Then when it got older, once the youngest turned eighteen, he let them all go out to decide whether they want to come back or not.

Almost almost like kind of do it like they have him go out for a year just to see whether they want to stay in the world or come back to that.

But nothing to do with almush, trust me.

So anyway, So so everybody gets their armor, they go out into the world and wonderful kids, humble kids, you know, just like their father.

They spoke to everyone.

They weren't haughty.

Blah blah blah.

All right, So what happened was the one who stopped going to training, mind you, before he left, the dad said, the king said, just remember always wear your armor.

If anything, just wear your armor.

The first one, the first one, I believe it was the oldest one, He was the one with the greatest personality.

He went out.

He left his armor in his tent while he went to hang out.

Well, because the king had enemies, they knew who the king's kid was, they attacked the kid.

They killed him.

He didn't have his armor.

So then you have the middle kid, which is a girl.

She is the one who actually stayed halfway through.

She would go in and out to training.

She knew something, so she goes out, she wears her armor, and the same guys or the same people.

I think it was like eighty two eighty three people came up on her one day because they're all in different parts of the land, and they attack her and they try to kill her, but they can't.

She wore her armor, but she didn't know how to use it, so they kidnapped her.

Then the youngest one is the one who stayed.

He in training, so he goes out, same group of people see him.

They try to kill him because they're like, if we get him, then we could dismantle the king because we already killed one, we have possession the other.

If we get his last child, will get his heart and will crumble the king.

So they go after this kid.

This kid not only did he wear his armor, he knew how to use every last one of every last piece of his armor everything, so he was able to fight dismantle them all.

Like David, come on now, So what happened was he goes back to the king.

The king is happy, but this little bittersweet because one passed away.

But then he's like, but I gotta get my sister.

Then he comes back and get his sister.

The more of the story is this, the children is us, the King is God.

Are we wearing our armor?

Do we know how to use it?

Amen?

Do we have it on?

Because the Bible says put on the whole armor.

It doesn't say just use it.

If it says put it on, that means a lot of us don't even have it on.

You need to put it on and then learn how to utilize it.

But yeah, so it's a lot in that book.

It's I don't know, And you're gonna want to know what the devil's greatest fear is and a piece of it is you.

That's right, he's petrofab That's That's been one of the main tactics.

I think that the that I've recognized over the last couple of years, you know, doing this, what I've been doing is the enemy has made it an overtime all points attack on convincing us that we do not have the power that works.

We do.

We have lost who we really belong to, and we have lost where we rank in the kingdom.

Wow, yep, And that's exactly what you just talked about right there.

And for those of you who are wanting to know scripturely, I will point you in the right direction here.

I think it's Ephesian six, if I do believe so, where we talk about the whole armor of God.

So if you guys go to Ephesian six and you start in verse ten, you're going to read exactly what it looks like to put on the whole armor of God.

So you guys can go there and check that out.

And even when you go to a feuduan chapter six, you even see who you are in Christ.

It shows your identity.

In fact, the whole chapter talks about your whole the whole book, your whole identity in Christ and the powers you do have that the devil doesn't want you to know.

Yep.

If Thehesians is a quick read, y'all, just give it a read this week.

It's only six.

Chapters, only six chapters, so powerful.

Yeah, for sure.

One of the things that I wanted to ask you, Jennifer, and let me know if we're taking up too much of your time.

Oh you're good, okay, agree she.

Said, we're good for three more hours.

Man.

Okay, I wanted to ask, what gave you the idea to do one night with the king?

Because I love Jesus so much.

Okay, here's the thing.

I told you.

It's church for getting on my nerves, all right.

So they kept worshiping the pastors.

I'm like, honestly, I don't know if it's a culture thing or what, but it was really annoying because they put ministers on pedestals, which drove me crazy.

I don't care when the pastor's wedding anniversary is.

I don't care when you start it.

I don't care.

It's nice to know, but why do we have to all celebrate that?

And it irked me because I'm like, what about everybody else?

What about the ushers?

What about like everybody else who like helps helps the church stand like we're all in this together.

I'm like, why is only one person being exalted?

This is horrible And I'm like, Okay, the pastor has a birthday, so does everybody else.

Why can't like we have celebrations for everybody else.

And then I was thinking, I'm like, everybody gets honored except for Jesus, Like even if you think about like awards ceremonies, right, like everybody thinks, you know God real quick and then to go to my mom, my dad, my producers, every But like, when have we ever had something where we're just thinking the one who actually made everything happen, who gave us these talents, these abilities, you know.

I'm like, so, I'm like, how about we do something just for Jesus.

We're just all about him and nobody else.

Nobody's being honored.

It's just him.

So I'm like, he deserves that.

I try.

I try.

I think four twelve, twelve, fourteen years ago, trying to make it happen.

But I didn't have a platform.

I didn't have anything, so I tried it on Kickstarter.

It didn't go through, so that didn't work.

But once I once I got a deep believer platform, I'm like, now I can do it.

And this one, this last one was the most powerful, and this was only a second year.

Last year was beautiful.

We had it at the Broad War which is the oldest and longest standing five star, five diamond resort in the world.

Very nice, oh, I guess, like a Titanic.

But this one was the most intense and people are still talking about it.

There were miracles and it was called a Night with the King where miracles and wonders unfold.

It did not disappoint saw legs grow out.

This lady who had floaters, who wore glasses for about twelve years, no longer wears her glasses.

Yesterday we got a report.

During our lives they posted and Nola, she's still not wearing her glasses.

What is it?

This man he couldn't walk, he had Parkinson's.

I mean, it was just all these conditions that were completely healed.

Matter of fact, one of our speakers he was healed.

He had some issue.

Matter of fact, I forgot to post it.

I'm gonna post it too.

But it was just miraculous.

On top of that, last year we wanted Jesus to show up, but the event was just so big.

We had a lot of people.

So this year we cut it in half and it was doing Halloween and that scared a lot of people.

So I said, you know, I'm telling you deep believers, not for the faint of heart.

It's not for if you're just like a scared Christian.

Because like we had people back out because they were like, something's bad.

It's gonna happen on Halloween.

Something bad happens every Halloween.

Hello, God's got you.

This is the crap are this is the stuff.

That we got.

It's all right, all right.

I think that's the hardest you get.

We'll be all right, all right, all right now?

So yeah, so means it's.

In the Bible.

What what is that?

What you say find out what scoob belon means is that poop to?

Yes?

False?

Is it?

Now?

You guys keep talking?

I'm going right now in the scripture, We're going to find Scooba.

Going to find out scooblan Okay, So this is so we had like people petrified, They're like, I'm not going to go this year because it's on Halloween.

I'm like, you guys, are you really deep believers?

Why are you on this channel?

You know?

Like the reason why I created it, not in created, but like the reason why like I kept it going is to build the help build a faith that you may not have.

Let me tell you this, And Jesus literally showed up.

We wanted Jesus to show up last year.

And I'm not saying as a metaphoral, we all six people that we know of saw Jesus me being one of them.

And it was in sequence order, okay, And it was two days that he was seen.

He was seen on the very first day, in the very last day, the very first step.

Telling you, matter of fact, we did a lot.

Was it alive?

No, we did a record.

So yeah, So last week we put a video out.

So during worship on Halloween, there was spiritual warfare because there was a Halloween party going outside the church, so you could feel like though the spiritual warfare that was going on.

But I'm telling you, the worship was so heavy in that place.

People don't want to leave after.

I mean, they were at the altars just laying prostrate, they were being prayed over.

People were manifested.

It was the most beautiful thing.

But listen to this.

So during worship, one of our prayer team members, her name is Sandy Lynn, she got up and she was singing Yeshua and I was on a very front row.

So everybody's in worship.

Everybody's worship is worship in Jesus.

And then next thing I know, I see her.

She gets on the ground.

She says, somebody please take the mic.

I cannot but stand anymore.

I'm like okay, I'll grab the mic.

Then okay.

So I'm like, okay, okay, she's deep in worship.

I didn't know what was happening.

Well, it wasn't in mind you.

I saw Jesus, but I saw her right before she said somebody please take the mic.

Here's what happened.

So I didn't know until I saw heard this woman say in the back, I saw Jesus hovering over the people in the back.

He was wearing a humble white robe with his arms wide open, just hovering over the people.

And I'm like, well, I kind of saw him too, but let me hear some more.

So then.

Right again, they're gonter Joseph.

For this, Well let him come.

So Sandy Lynn says the reason why she had to hand over the mic is because she saw Jesus walking down the aisle towards her in a humble white gown.

And I'm like, okay, well I kind of saw him too.

So he was in the back, hovering over the people.

And then Sandy Lynz saw him walking from the back down the middle.

Aisle to her.

I saw Jesus literally walk past me.

So I'm right here.

So here's here's the isle.

Here am I okay.

So here's like, here am I and here's the isle.

He walks past me smiling just like this.

I'm like, what the word?

He's just walking as he smiling at me.

I'm like, this can't be real.

So that's why I kept it quiet.

I said, this can't be real.

So then another woman was like, yeah, as I was praying, Jesus was literally praying with us.

He was on his knees praying.

So that was four people that night who saw Jesus.

They weren't even connected, and they all saw Jesus wearing the same exact thing.

So while Jesus was praying, while these two women were praying on the ground, this woman saw three.

She said, I know there's two women praying, but why is there three?

She said?

Why is?

It almost remind me of shadrag me checking a been to go.

How they said they saw four, but there were three.

Jesus, Yes, he was there with them.

And then another was like, was on his knees praying with this white rope.

And then Sandy Lynde saw him, so I'm like wow, and then we start talking.

And then two other people not even related, I mean, one lives in one lives in Texas and she's from Africa.

And then another one lives in Georgia with significant revelation.

They saw Jesus on the last day.

This is kind of cool for a night with the king.

But this time Jesus was dressed up.

They both saw him in purple, purple with the gold crown.

They both did weren't even connected.

These are these like two different stories.

I said, what did you see?

I said, They said, he wore his dress robes.

Come on, yeah, the first time he comes as a humble servant and then.

As that's and that's exactly what the guy from sig rev said, so he said, he said, it's almost like a reversal.

How when Jesus was going to the cross he wore purple, like like they gave him a purple robe, but when he resurrected he was wearing white.

But like you just said, Sergio, when Jesus come back, he's coming back all glory, all glory, honor.

And it was just so powerful and.

I'm like, you know again, it's crazy that that we for anybody that would listen to this and go, oh my gosh, you guys are just hallucinating and you didn't see Jesus.

And a lot of times it's going to be the Christians that are going to say that, right, the same ones that we were talking about earlier that do not believe in the spiritual realm.

Right, they don't believe magic exists, they don't believe evil spirits exist, they don't believe ghosts exists.

And I always say to myself, like in the case with Jesus of like, man, if you go back and you read your Old Testament, okay, anywhere where you see the Angel of the Lord, not an angel of the Lord.

But if you go back and you reread and you see the Angel of the Lord, that is a pre incarnate Jesus Christ that is shown up.

Wow, okay, because you and we know that, because we see that, like you said in the case of Shadrack, Meschack and Bendigo.

Even in the if you go in your study Bible and you go down with the study notes section, it will actually say that it's most scholars believe that a pre incarnate Christ.

But that phrase it's always distinguishing, That's right, it's always distinguishing, And it'll say an angel of the Lord.

That's just typically an angel of some kind.

But if it says the Angel of the Lord, that is a pre incarnate Jesus Christ.

And you can see that it's a pre incarnate Jesus Christ because like there's a great example where he Sarah has kicked Hagar out of the out of the the family, right and she sent him out to the wilderness with Ishmael and she's by the by the I think it's an oasis riter or well or something.

I forget the story exactly, but we have this.

It says the Angel of the Lord that shows up.

And the way that this angel is speaking to her is speaking about I made promises to you, I did this, I did that, And that is well beyond the purview of just an angel.

And so when you go back and you do that, it'll change the way you read your Old Testament.

But we can see magic and all of these same things happening in the Old Testament.

What makes us think that that magically stopped with Moses?

Yeah, right, come on, it was the magic the whole time.

Yeah, yes, I'm like, yeah, that's the thing.

Is like when he went yeah exactly that I was used that same exact exact example, Jennifer, Like when he goes, takes aaron, They go to the Pharaoh.

They throw their staffs down.

The two sorcerers throw their staff down, and his staff eats theirs, right the serpents.

His serpent eats their serpent, and so we can see this.

It even says in scripture that the sorcerers of the Pharaoh could manifest the same things that Moses could, but they just couldn't make it stop, you know, So we see this all throughout scripture, so like it's just it's it's fascinates me that people think that it's not possible for us to see these things.

And I think it's wonderful that you guys were able to get that in tune with the spirit, where you guys were able to break down the veil where Jesus came into parents.

We're still feeling it.

Last year everybody was tired, they were they went home tired.

This year we are like rejuvenated and empowered, and it's like trickling everywhere.

It's like, amazing, is the best soul.

You guys got to come next year.

I don't know where it's going to be, but you guys got to come.

Where was this where's this resort?

You were talking about.

Wait, the first one though the first one was at the Broadmoor, this one was at a humble abode almost this was in so the second one was in Amarillo, Texas.

Okay, so that was at Joe Kirkwrook's church.

And then the ball was at the Embassy Suites and Amorillo downtown Amarillo.

But this is this one.

This year, it was this one.

This was the most powerful.

And they did we did prayer.

They did.

I didn't do it because because I had to stay someone else, because it was somewhere else, because we had all our things, so we had to drive all the equipment.

But everybody who was at the hotel like a night with the King.

Everybody who the hundreds of people who came out for a night with the King invaded the hotel and they did prayer walks all around Amarillo, Texas in the middle of the night.

And it was just the most people were healed.

Matter of fact, a server, a server was healed.

She during the ball, she comes to sit next to me.

She says, Hi, I just want to tell you thank you for doing this.

She said, I didn't know.

I just came here to to you know, serve because I'm a waitress and I got prayed over and now I'm healed.

She said, I was walking with pain for years and now someone from the from the from the ball prayed over me.

Now it's gone.

And she was just crying.

I put the video off out of the word.

But yeah, she said, it's just she said, thank you so much for doing this.

But it's just just like that says not me, it's just Jesus.

I'm just here just to show what God can do.

But Kyle's what you said, how you said the Christians are the ones who are gonna deny and reject.

And that is the main thing that I wrote my first book, I saw God last night, where whenever I was sharing my supernatural testimonies, like you surgery, how you had all these supernatural testimonies.

I'm sure the ones who think you're crazy more than anything are the Christians.

But the ones who believe you, the ones when I share my testimony of how I left my body and you know, all these different things and how I saw angels, the Christians laughed in my face.

Even ministers laughed in my face.

The ones who I told who were unbelievers ran to Barnes and noble and got a Bible.

Yep.

But it was the Christians who thought I was nuts.

And that's sad.

It's sad.

I have I have a term.

I have you heard the term Ryano before?

Yeah, Republican, Republican, Republican in name only.

Ryan's what it stands for.

I stole it.

Yeah, I say Chinos.

Now, isn't that funny how they often go to Chinos as well churches only Christian?

Yeah, that's funny.

I didn't.

Hey, look at that.

I always said that.

I still say it.

Okay, yeah, it's probably better.

I should probably change it to your version.

Churches too.

Yeah, you got to get the h in there, you know that a little emphasis, But but they do.

Man.

It's about me, though, is when when I started telling people about you know what, I started seeing these things and telling people.

I was also into the conspiracy stuff, right, and I was speaking truth about what was going on in the government and stuff like that.

And I figured, at the end of the day, well, at least the government will think I'm crazy and think nobody will listen to me.

It's true, until that count gets up high enough, buddy, then they'll start paying attention.

Now, Yep, they'll start paying more attention.

Yeah.

She She said something earlier that that if I could just really quick, I wanted to go back on it.

And if you don't want to talk about Jennifer, that's fine.

But you and I'm sure this has happened as your platform has grown, right, because as your platform grows, the crazier things happen.

So you said that you've actually had people astro project into your home, so annoying.

Yes, that was uh huh, go ahead, if I just want to give you the Flora share if you want to share it.

Yeah.

So that happened last last year with the Night with the King.

So this was that we know of the first ever the first that we know of ever Night with the King, meaning the first event where no one ever was honored except for Jesus Christ.

The focus was solely on Jesus.

There was nobody being honored, no event, No, I give it out it to Bishop so and so, pastors, no one don't care because Jesus is the one who made you, you know.

So okay, So this went all over the world.

We had people from all six continents, not included in Arctic cooked as seven because the penguins so yes, it went global because in a penguin we did have a penguin suit.

Guy, yeah, I actual tucks but yeah, so with a cane and all right.

So anyway, so so what happened was not only did we get attention from those who wanted to attend, but we got attention from those near colt as well.

So there were people from Haiti and from the islands, and.

So I'm there were earthquake no no, no, no no no.

They were there to call us trouble, to try to dismantle.

So basically they tried to they couldn't do anything.

So basically they just tried to distract.

They were they were powerless, so they came in they tried to talk to me and my kids.

So we're setting up, you know, getting the booths ready, the tables ready and all that stuff like that.

There's nobody there, but then a woman walks in.

She says Jennifer, and I'm thinking, do I know you?

And then I'm like, okay, well because of the platform, So then she starts talking to me and then she asked me questions.

But as she's talking to me, she's not looking me in the eye.

She's just skimming me.

She's looking all down and around at me, and I'm like it's like she was searching for something.

And I'm like, well, you like my sweater.

It was just weird.

She was just like searching and I didn't understand at first, and I said, this is a witch, okay, or this is a witch.

And then she goes over to my kids.

So I'm praying.

I'm like, girls, God, don't you say nothing to this woman.

You know, you be careful what you say.

Blah blah.

I don't give her any information.

And then so I'm speaking to one of my friends and then I'm like, why was she doing that?

Because I didn't know at the time, and she explained why.

She said, witches, which we should be able to, can see into the spiritual realm, and what this woman was looking for was cracks in you, because if she looks for a crack, there's an open door where they can somehow dismantle me.

I was gonna, yes, that she was checked at your aura.

Yeah, see almost like that, and that's what was happening.

Yeah.

So then there were people who were at the tables They're like, yeah, I'm a witch, and they were just open about it, like at the at the literally at the ball.

It was a three day event.

So at the actual ball, there were men in that they were witches, but there were some who were saying that their their boyfriends are witches.

And I'm like, and I'm getting these reports from people from the ball and they're like, you guys are witches up in here.

I'm like, I know.

And then and then so we had the prayer team pray and we had to pray all over the grounds.

This itself is in Colorado Springs, like witches are it is?

These people are hot, so anyway, so yeah, so we had them pray all over the ground.

Well, the witch she gets in with the prayer group, and I'm like, one thing I know for sure, for certain the two areas that witches love love to join our prayer groups and worship teams, because if you get both of those, you dismantle the mission, all right.

So I'm like, why is this woman with the prayer team?

And she just showed up out of nowhere.

I'm like, is she even registered?

So so then I see, so I'm like, and they said, Jennifer, what do you want us to do?

I said, I want you to go around all the grounds and the grounds is big.

It's like a resort.

I need you guys to do prayer walks all around the resort, go everywhere.

And then one of my workers didn't understand.

They're like, well, what if they kick us out.

I'm like, I mean, you don't gotta be like, you know, praying and tongues at loud.

Just pray, praying, walk, praying walk.

So they're praying and walking and as she's across the street, I'm in another building.

They're across the street through bushes.

I'm just seeing, you know, how everything's going.

Everybody's praying, except for this one witch lady who's looking at me through the window from across the street.

They had to be in like two hundred and fifty yards away, just staring at me.

I'm like, oh gosh, okay, we're in for it.

So anyway during the ball, okay, this woman who I you know, I believe she was a Christian, but she knows like you said, Christian name only.

She's one of the ones whose eyes shat before my eyes.

I'm looking at her.

She had very light brown eyes, and you know I've seen her before.

Her eyes are usually normal circles, because we have circle you know pupils.

She looks at me and her eyes are slit up and down like slit.

There's no circle anymore, it's a slit.

And know they're not contacts either.

I know a content we know, and I'm like, but it looks so natural, guys that I thought it was a medical condition.

Yeah, so I'm like, it looks so natural because I'm like, I know what context So these are not contacts and I can always tell me they were contexts.

Could you can see a thin line around the the what do you call the what's the color part of the eye, pupil?

You know that iris?

Iris?

Yeah, you can usually see it.

There were no contacts.

These are like slit.

So okay, long, I'm not sure if you've you've seen this, but I've actually seen that before.

But I've seen two different kinds.

I've seen one word is like a snake.

Guy's with a slit and it's red.

Their eye is red or sometimes it'll turn a yellow color.

And so I was steak whether that would be a different kind of spirit.

You know how you have.

Spear behind them, Yeah, that's a spirit behind him.

Because what was happening with these people was that's what they called the reptilian spirit, because like those who've been to Hell, they'll tell you that these creatures that are done there look like reptiles and they're very evil, and like yeah, so so yeah, so then and then I'm gonna get to an astral projection part.

But my daughter graduated from high school the very next month, and there's this kid who knocks in our door and he said, hey, I see you're having a graduation party.

I just graduated too, he said, but I live up in Wyoming and I'm going to college down at GCU.

I'm like, okay, So GCU is Grand Canon University is a Christian college all right right below was in Arizona.

So I'm like okay.

So we get to talking and then I said, well, come on in this hot outside.

He comes in, same things, eyes change up and down, and he gets nervous, like he wasn't supposed to come in the house.

And he was really nervous.

And I'm like, maybe this isn't metal condition because this is the second time I saw this within two months.

So then I called my friend who's an optimologist, and I said, hey, isn't normal for your pupils like to like change and like be really skinny like a snake, and they're like no, she said, no, that's not a thing.

But what there is is a condition I forgot what it's called, where it looks like you have two pupils.

You have like your pupil and then like a little one off of it.

Yeah.

So she said that's not a thing, and I'm like these so all right.

So that was that with the eyes.

Then what happened was this, So the Broadmoor, they gave us a villa.

It was really nice and I said it was like a beautiful house.

They give us a beautiful house on the property because we were hosting the event.

And right next to the door of the house is a console table.

I know what I brought in there, right.

So we leave the first day to go to the welcome ceremony, which we do every first, every first, every time.

The very first day is always a welcome ceremony.

I share the Holy Spirit and we all get together celebrate.

Okay, I come back.

There is a gold purse on a table.

I wonder if I can find it.

There's a gold little clutch on the table.

I said, this is not my taste.

It was brand new, like somebody just bought it from the store and it was a gold clutch.

And I said, who is this because no one was in our room, nor was anybody allowed in our room except for our kids's friends.

And it was one each one was a girl, one was a boy.

So I asked them.

I said, hey, the one who was a girl, I said, did you have a gold purse?

She said, not to have a gold purse.

She said no, I don't, okay, And then I said, well, ask the boy too.

And then she said, Mom, how am I going to ask this boy if he brought a purse?

I said, just ask him, so she asked me.

Right, he's all like me.

It's the same thing, I said, And he said why would I bring a purse?

He said, But I'll just say yeah, only because I want to see if there was any money in it.

I said, would you stop it?

He said no, but no I didn't bring a purse.

Okay.

So matter of fact, okay, what year was it, twenty twenty four?

Yeah, So when it's time to clean up, I'm trying to find it for you guys.

When it's time to clean up the place, to get everything back, I unknowingly packed it with us as we left the villa, and I brought it to my house.

So now the devil has legal right because he has an entryway into our house.

So let me see if I can find it.

I'm gonna show you this purse.

Sure to take pictures, all right, So it is April.

Here we go, all right, So I'm getting warmer, getting warmer.

Here we go.

All right.

This is the purse right here.

Are you guys able to see this?

Yeah, this is the person right here.

Nobody bought that purse in our party whatsoever.

So I picked it up and I took that picture, and that's in my house to ask everybody, did you bring this in my nobody?

Okay, So next thing I know.

That night, I'm exhausted from the ball.

It was long, it was a lot of people.

It was just busy.

I opened my fridge.

There's a man behind my fridge, being behind my I'm like, what in the world out?

So okay, So you know, like we have the double door fridges like open like that.

So I opened the right side of the door and there's a big man behind my door, behind the door.

So you're not supposed to see it, Like Sergio said, he was see people astro project.

You're not supposed to see You're not supposed to see that.

You're not supposed to see them when they roam in your house or getting astroom.

So if you're seeing it, that's the Lord allowing you to see that, or you have to give to see yours seeing.

So anyway, so I'm like, what in the world.

So I called my friend up.

I'm like, there's a man in my house, and I said, I truly believe it's because of the stupid person I brought in.

Gave a double legal right because nobody brought this.

It is mysteriously ended up into in our place.

Nobody that we knew I brought it in.

Unless it was housekeeping, I don't know, But why would they do that?

It was weird.

So so she was like, yeah, give it away.

I'm like, I'm not giving that away to somebody so they can get it too.

So I was tired.

I said, so I'm gonna go around the corner of wal Greens and throw it out.

I should have burnt it, but I did it.

But I did it.

Yeah, And then and then there was another time.

All this happened in Colorado Springs.

Its crazy place.

So then There was another time where our friend, not our friend, our daughter was friends with someone and then we believed that her mom was into Santa Ria.

The mom was into Santa Ria, and they were no longer friends.

The mom was upset about it.

So then the kids are like, I want my stuff back, and you're like, I want my stuff back, okay.

So then when the mom comes to drop off the clothes, this was weird.

The mom was a very timid woman, super timid.

So it was weird that she would even offer to bring anything to us because she was just so scared all the time, like she's just scared of everything.

So she drops the clothes off, and my husband, he answered the door.

He said, hey, hold on, I have I have your kids clothes too.

It's in a wash.

I'm just put in the bag.

She says, okay, I'm looking the camera.

The lady runs away, hoops in her car and speeds off.

I said, what is happening here, guys?

This woman.

I don't know if it was her who did the witchcraft or she hired someone because what they do like something?

She yes, she puts some on the clothes, so and I know it was weird, So like I put the kids out in.

I put the bag of clothes in the backyard.

It was in the house at first, but now I put it in the backyard, but still was on our property.

This is why I gotta be careful.

You gotta pray.

So anyway, so weird stuff started to happen.

About three weeks later, we were getting ready for church.

Next thing I know, I'm in the shower and then I see a figure walk by, and I'm like, hey, babe, I'm thinking of my husband.

No, my husband's in his office.

There's nobody there.

My kids are in their room getting ready, and I'm like, this is weird, okay, And you literally saw a figure walk by because there's like our shower, it steams, but it's glass.

There's no there's no covering or just glass.

So I'm like, that was literally a person who's So I go downstairs.

I'm ready to go, and I'm in my kitchen and then no, no, no, no, I'm in my living room.

So here's my living room, kitchen, then dining room.

So it's like three room kind of thing.

I'm in the living room, past the kitchen, I see in a dining room a person walk by.

I'm like, oh, you guys are ready for church.

Nobody's down there.

So I'm seeing people walk around my house.

Okay, and you live, but it looks like a gray figure.

It looks like a like a gray figure.

So it's not like solid like like we see ourselves now.

It's almost like a translucent kind of thing.

So I'm like, and you hear it too.

It's not like you just see it.

You hear them walking.

So I'm like, this is weird.

This has been getting really weird.

So then I'm in the kitchen now, so I can't see because by behind the kitchen is the stairs, but there's a wall, there's the stairs, so I hear somebody run down stairs, clear as day.

Somebody just jumped downstairs, ran downstairs.

I'm like, ah, let's go.

You ready, So I walk around.

My kids are in your room, my husband is still in his office, nobody's there, nobody's there.

So then I call up a friend who used to be into witchcraft ex warlock, very well known, and they were like, yeah, she's into Santa Ria and she put a spell on those clothes and you didn't burn the clothes.

And I'm like, oh, that's one of those people say you burned all those perfectly good clothes, my daughter said.

And it was good stuff too.

It was good stuff.

My daughter was like, are you serious?

Are you serious?

Because it was good stuff, you know.

So the moral of the story is, if you like your stuff, stop leaving at places, ring, bring your scoota what do we call it earlier, bring your bring your scuba on hold.

Oh yeah.

So so she's like, okay, fine, and then she's like, but just promise me you'll buy me it again.

I said, okay, whatever.

So we burned a clothes and it just smells right, it smells so then so we didn't see anything anything special until until I'm like, okay, honey.

Now we got to pray over the entire house.

So we need to pray over the entire house, each floor, and then we need to anoint all four corners of the property.

So he does that.

He goes from the basement to the first four to the second floor, and then he goes outside.

It gets to the price the instant.

It was caught on camera.

The instant he got the last post north south east and west, a huge wind just blew and we heard a huge scream and then he ran aside.

He said what the And it was calm.

And when I say calm, it was like there was no wind blowing.

It was just like calm, it's peace.

And the school.

He was like, Jenny, did you see that?

So I checked the cameras.

Sure enough, everything was calm.

Next you know everything that all the windows went berserk and it was a loud scream and I'm like, yeah, all right then, so yeah, so that stuff.

So it's the stuff that like I think, did you mention this earlier, Kyle or Sergio?

Like the things you bring into your house.

Don't bring stuff in your house you know that may that may have been in the hands of a witch or you know that you don't know where it came from.

Like the person your.

Nails around them, don't leave your stuff, don't let them get a locker your hair, don't.

Let you know it.

You know it because you're a Mexican so you know.

Yeah, censor is huge down here, huge down here.

So yeah, it's.

A lot of people are brought into that and and do those traditions and rituals and they don't even know what they're doing.

I know, they think it's good.

They think they're yeah, you're playing with things that you have no understanding.

I like to say it, man, when it comes to the spiritual realm, a lot of times we're like babies on the battlefield.

Man, come on now, you know, we just don't even know like what the other side, how how serious it is, because you're you're now stepping into a war front.

All the stuff we see here, you know, all the all these things, this is just playing out on the earth stage.

But it's the spiritual warfare man, and we are where babies, especially the church man, babies on the battlefield.

And the devil knows it.

That's why he messy, that's right.

Like I had some Masonic stuff, so I was.

I was Freemason for about a year and a half and I.

I would have you on my show, but it's kind of dangerous.

Yeah it's okay, you know, but I took I took all my stuff, man, lambscan Apron, the whole thing.

We took it out.

We burned it.

Yeah, we burn it.

Man.

I had, you know, all kinds of different stuff that I had collected from that, and I'm like I just kind of felt the Holy Spirit telling me, like you need to get it out of here, and you need to get it out of here.

But when you get it out of here, I want you to burn it.

So I took it out there, I burned it.

I had some little figurine heads that we I got on a cruise too, from like Jamaica that I never felt right about.

I burnt those.

My wife had some books and the bookshelf that just anything anything that was even close to questionable is like Cookville.

Pop you.

Yeah, you're going into barbecue.

So we burn it all.

Man, get it out of here.

Good.

And there's something I was telling Kyle the other day.

Now there's a whole long story to it, but I'm just going to tell you a part of At my job site, I was I was cutting the grass, right, and then I hitting the eye by a rock.

Right.

Oh, so I was hurt my eye.

Well, a week to the day, I was walking down the same area and I found a talisman on the floor right, and then I look at it and I don't know, something told me this is for the evil eye, and something was trying to get me to take it with me, like to put in my pocket and bring it home.

I'm like, no, no, no, this is witchcraft.

I've heard stories of amulets and stuff like that appearing before people.

So I threw that right in the trash.

Yeah, good for you.

I wonder how many things we have in our churches, actually in the buildings that are are of bad design and that we have no idea, no idea.

Well, you know, there's a church dive into a Connecticut.

It was a huge church.

It was considered megachurch, and they were done good for a while, but then for Christmas they wanted to do a hippie play and they had a huge peace sign.

When I say, they made a hug among his peace signed to cover the whole stage.

And the stage was massive because it was a megachurch.

And I said, these people got the narrow a cross up in this church.

And I said, and they expect to be protected.

So what I do is I reached out to them and I said, hey, I don't know if you know this, but the peace sign is not the peace sign.

It's actually of the occult.

It's a witch is due to just announce uh, to renounce Jesus Christ.

They break the arms and their rituals and that's why they circled around it.

And it originated from narrow They all was crazy, and you're like, because it offends you would just taken down.

I'm like, that's why you're taking it down because it offends me.

What I'm like, you should do it because you want to, you know, I just I'm like, but yeah, these churches they don't know care they don't.

And it's the same exact thing, because listen, the enemy will play on either willingness or ignorance.

He don't care.

You know, if you're gonna give him a doorway, he's gonna step right through and he's gonna kick a wide open man.

The enemy will do that all day long.

And to me, what I just heard is no different than Mark Twain being stupid and deciding the name is cats Bel's above Satan and everything in between.

No difference.

Oh I did, I looked it up earlier.

I've been pulling stuff up while we were talking.

By the way, for funzie, Scubalon is actually found in Philippians three verse eight.

So here I'll pick it up.

I'll pick it up.

Well, I'll just pick it up.

Ver say, yea doubtless, And I count all the things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.

For whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them, but dung that I may win.

Christ go on now.

One of my other favorite translations.

That's a fun little translation, and depending on which translation you get is actually I'll have to find it, but it's basically the story of is it Elijah?

I want to say it's Elijah?

Maybe I don't remember challenging uh, challenging bail and he's taunting them, He's like, did your God?

It actually says is he covering his feet?

Did he go potty?

Like?

I have a translation that actually says did he go?

That?

Is he in the potty?

Here's one that might catch you a little sideways.

You know how it says that our righteousness is dirty rags.

Yeah, well in the actual translation and the Hebrews bag, which means a dirty menstrul cloth.

Yeah, there you go, which is completely unclean.

Yeah, that's that's actually it's actually the you think of it from you know, we we look at that now, we we cringe because you know, obviously in our society that has a certain meaning, but for them that would be deeply unclean.

Right like you are and you are ritualistically company good deeds unclean.

That's a righteousness.

This shows really nothing is really you know, Yeah.

Apart from Christ, that's what we are, completely unclean, we have we have nothing to offer.

So Surge, we've completely probably derailed your question train, but it's been fun to throw on the train off the tracks.

I gotta say, Okay, I got one more question for you before we go.

What is the message you believe every Christian should know in this time?

You have so much more power than you know.

You have so much more power.

If you knew the power that you had, you wouldn't be afraid of the devil.

You would accomplish so much more.

You would succeed as so much more.

You would be even closer to God.

If you knew the power that you had, you would your life wouldn't even look like it does now.

It really wouldn't.

And of course we all go through we all will go through things trials in life.

But like I said earlier, there's some stuff you really don't have to go through, and a lot of it is by choice and by ignorance.

But I'm telling you you have so much Yeah, you can buy wherever books are sold, the Devil's greatest fear.

You need to read this.

So I'm telling you, if you want to know who you are in Christ, read the Bible and read this book.

This breaks it down big time of who you are and how to obtain who you truly are in Christ.

So you have the knowledge and act on it and you don't have to be afraid.

I think I don't know if it was Kyle or Surgery who said, you know, the devil banks on fear and he wants you afraid.

And I'm telling you you don't have to be afraid of somebody who don't have power.

He has so much.

Matter of fact, there was this witch I think on sid Rath years ago, a long time ago, and she said she walked into occult and she had a lot of power.

But then she said when Christians prayed, she said she couldn't do anything.

There was nothing she could do.

And then she said that's when she knew that Christians had far more power than us witches could ever have.

So that begs to tell you how much power you have.

But you're being dumbed down by the enemy using the people to church.

Religious nuts or religious people were ignorant those around you.

But I'm telling you the ones who are super hungry are the non believers, and then the ones who actually left the occult and who are now Christians.

I'm telling you they're the most I'm telling you so, Yeah, if you only knew much power you had, you would your life wouldn't even look the same.

Yep, we have.

You're sacred enough where the king decided to come down and sacrifice himself for you.

And I like to think that even if it meant just saving little old me, he would have done it.

Amen, you know.

And I was saying sitting here thinking, you know, when you were talking just a second ago, I had some more stuff hit.

And it's from Romans eight.

And I'll read this really quick, and I'll pick up in verse thirty five.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

Shall tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, danger, or sword?

As it is written, for your sake, we are being killed all the day long.

We are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.

No, and all these things, we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers nor height or depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate to or will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ, Jesus, our Lord man, there you go.

It is an awesome God we serve and Jennifer, can you please close us out in the prayer.

Absolutely, and thank you guys so much for inviting me on.

Thank you Sergio, Thank you Kyle.

This was fun a loss.

It was.

Father in the name of Jesus to Holy Spirit.

We thank you so much for your love.

We thank you so much for your glory.

We thank you so much.

Like Kyle just said, how you thought us worthy just to die, come down on earth, to leave every wonderful possession that you had to leave your glorious place, just to come down for us, to save us from ourselves Jesus and from sin.

So we pray that you would just bless those watching right now, that you will bestow your peace and glory on them, that they will know who they are and you know Jesus, and succeed in every last aspect of life.

O Jesus, you said that you came that we may have life and have it more abundantly, and that you have a purpose and a plan for each and every one of our lives, Lord Jesus, is not just to merely exist, but thrive in you, Lord Jesus, and to love one another.

So right now we pray that we will have that love for one another, and that we will learn not only love for one another, but forgiveness, and that you will give us belief where there is unbelief, Lord Jesus, put faith, Let doubt not rule us, Let us believe in you, and let us believe you like as little children.

You said, not to be childish, but childlike Soljiz.

We pray that we would have childlike faith, that we will walk in you, and that we will just build this army in you, and that you will just give us the tools.

Well we already have the tools, but give us the courage to do so.

We just thank you so much for Sergio.

We pray to you a growers platform of Jesus.

We pray that you would just give him the people who are supposed to be on there, who will share your glory.

We pray that you will bless Kyle's shadow as well, Jus, that that you will just build your army.

Lod Jesus for the Kingdom, that you will put all the right people on their platforms that will go out to all the nations or Jesus, because we are ones to be reckoned with.

We aren't ones to be reckoned with Jesus.

So we we just thank you, We honor year.

We prayed as we go to bed tonight that you will sleep with us, that you will lie with us, and that you will be in our presence and that will never let you go in Jesus name.

Amen, Amen, Amen and amen.

Thanks, Thanks again, Jennifer, Thanks Kyle, and we'll see you guys next time for another episode of The Tarpit