Yo, what's up everybody?

Welcome to a brand new episode of The Hot Bike Here Comedy Alive on Wednesday morning on my side at least a pre pre Thanksgiving celebration.

I am John Roker Jones, always by the Indstider himself, Jeff Sneider.

How are you, brother?

Hello, Johnny Boy.

I'm good, baby, I'm real good.

You look good.

You look thinner.

I meant to mention this the last time.

Look at whatever you're doing is working, brother, You look good.

The airport do that to you.

You are on the East Coast.

Now you're in Boston today, getting ready to hang out with your family feeling.

How's your Thanksgiving prep going?

Man?

I mean I don't have to do any prep.

Nobody puts me in charge of jack shit, Jeff, you're just staying out of the way.

I had a great you know.

I mean, it's good to be back at a nightmare time getting back.

Oh Jet Blue, just moving flight six hours, making me sleep on the airport floor.

It was back.

It wasn't fun, but you know what I made it.

I'm here.

Time to stop complaining and just enjoy it.

What about you, John?

Oh?

Yeah, I'm just I'm the lady outlaws out of town.

She went up to the northern California area to be with her mom's seventy fifth birthday for her mom, So her and her sister are doing a road trip up there to hang out with them today.

And I am heading up to LA tomorrow to have a friends giving with a bunch of friends up in LA.

But it's like thirty five of us, forty of us up there.

It's gonna be a lot of fun.

But I committed to get a sharkouterie plate, Jeff.

And let me tell you, those things are expensive.

So I thought, I thought I'd go my own route, and I went to Costco and like in essence, I bought everything separately and then it ended up being the same price that I would have paid had I just had a professional do it.

But you know what, I'm gonna do it.

I'm see how it goes and see if people like it or not.

The board lord who was that?

Who was that?

Now?

Jared Freed, the comedian.

He's known as the board lord because he doesn't really he rates your charcuterie board what.

Oh, I'm gonna have to take pictures then and submit it, especially if he's your friend and see what he'll say.

Because it was a fascinating experience to being costco be like Okay, I get this, and i'll get this and i'll get this, and you're buying for la people and I was like, well, I better put vegetables on this plate, not too much, geez and all.

It's all kinds of stuff.

So it was it was madmen on so many levels.

But yeah, we'll see what happens.

I hope it's a good time.

I haven't seen a lot of these people in over a year.

This cheese was made with oat milk.

That's the healthy stuff for sure.

But anyway, we got a lot to get into here on the show this morning.

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And we got so much to talk about.

But Jeff, I mean, are you are you ready to talk about this stuff.

I just need to know if you're ready to day, I apologize to you.

Yeah, you don't work.

You See, everybody's gonna get to see me e crow in this episode.

This is gonna this and this rarely happens.

Not that Jeff isn't a man of his word and isn't a man who's afraid to apologize, but I know it isn't something he likes to do that often.

But let's get into the big story here.

Well, apparently everybody Donald Trump has got his wish.

He lobbied the Apparently the rumor of the story came out that he lobbied to get a Rush Hour four done.

This was through what was it one of these Semophore.

Semaphore is the one who reported it that President Donald Trump wanted Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker, and filmmaker Brett Ratner, recently of sexual assault allegations to re team for another Rush Hour movie.

The report claimed that he had been pushing for this revival for quite some time.

And now apparently Paramount will be distributing this thing because of course it's through Warner Brothers.

They will be distributing the Rush Hour four.

The rumors are that they're reteeming everybody involved in this.

But the deal on the paramount side is only for distribution, while Warners would actually make the movie.

And Jeff, you know this has been this has been something people wanted to see for quite some time, loving the Rush Hour one and to a Little Bit Less three movie.

But are you surprised by this report?

And is this what you mean by eating Crow that Donald Trump's getting involved even.

With now, I mean, I'm surprised.

Are you really surprised?

Come on, I mean, this is like basically Donald Trump's foreign policy, right, He's like, this is how we can fix relations with China.

We may obviously about rewarding people who are in his circle and have done right by the Trump family.

Yes, this is less about Rush Hour four, right about we need to get Brett Rattner a job.

Brett Rattner did the Milania Trump documentary that's going to be coming out next year, thrown close to the Trumps.

And I'm sure Brett Ratner wants nothing more than to get back in the Hollywood saddle and direct, you know, a Hollywood blockbuster.

And what better way than you know, to go back to the franchise where you know that he's best known for.

So I think that that's what it's more about than Trump just being like, I'm a real big Rush Hour fan, and I really think that they shoul make another one of those movies, you know.

I think that.

The weird thing though, is, Yeah, Paramounts like, sure, we'll distribute it whatever, you know.

We want to curry favor with you.

We're trying to buy Warner Brothers.

We'll do whatever you say.

But they're not paying for the movie.

And as far as we know, we don't know who is.

Well, yeah, supposely it's a Warner Brothers and Paramount joint venture so to speak.

Warner brou is probably making the film a new line, right, new line, and Warner Brothers making film.

No, no, no, what do you do this?

So this has been reported on since last July, okay, before Trump retook office.

They've tried to get Rush Hour four together.

Yeah, Warner Brothers doesn't want to make right They're like, we're not We're not making this.

Jackie Chan Chris Tucker like no, this is old in the past.

So they let it go and and they the producers shopped at to lions Gate.

Oh okaylls Gate passed on it last summer, like, no doing this either.

So the reports say that Tarek Benamar, who is the producer of the Rush Hour movies, Yes, he's lining up independent financing.

So this is going to be an indie movie that is, you know, produced in finance independently, that is then distributed by Paramount.

That's all they've agreed to is just to distribute it.

But someone else has to make it.

Well, who's stepping up to make this movie?

This is literally the definition of throwing money down the toilet and lighting it or lighting it on fire.

Yes, right, It's like there's no way, especially with the salaries that if Jackie Chan Chris Tucker come back, which I assume that they will.

Yeah, with the salaries that they're gonna want, it's impossible for the movie to.

Make money.

So you're asking independent financiers to just light their fortunes on fire.

Good luck finding these people to pay for this movie.

I don't think it'll ever get made, honestly, Yeah, but I'm I was disheartened to see Paramount, you know, just immediately be like, yeah, well we'll distribute it.

And to your point, John, what I was saying earlier you are correct.

You know, I really didn't think that Trump was going to put his thumb on the scale to the extent that he has.

Yeah, and you were right.

I mean, lest I appreciate that, but there's many things I would like to not be right about and this was one of them.

But yeah, I saw it from the beginning.

I've seen it from since twenty fifteen.

I know people like to say TDS and all that nonsense, but he's he's just a little Lord Fauntleroy, playing with whatever shiny toy is in front of him.

And in this moment, it just happened to be rush hour for rights.

But I think what you said is a perfect description of it.

He is good to the people who are loyal to him, and he doesn't care if you've had sexual assault allegations, if you've you know, possibly raped people he's been accused of it.

There's no issues too big that you are suffering through that he won't put his scale on.

I mean, I tweeted out about the FIFA thing today, Christianna Ronaldo.

Now, all of a sudden, in the history of FIFA, it's never happened.

They're delaying a two match ban for his red card because he visited Trump, and Trump is putting pressure on the World Cup people to have the big event, and he wants to be all part of it.

So I can't have my friend not be a part of it.

So you see these little things that he gets involved in along with all the other things that he president has to worry about.

And there's a level of pettiness to him that I think is frustrating to see.

And there's no entertainment business that he or entertainment situation that he doesn't want to weigh in on, because Jeff, I think we've known this from since the nineteen eighties.

The man is an entertainer.

The man likes to be a part of the entertainment stuff, likes to be in the mix with all this Apprentice and what have you, appearing in movies Home Alone two and whatever.

So it's not a surprise.

I agree with you.

I don't think it was a thing like or do this.

It was more mattered offhand comment or a comment about it, or excited about it.

I'd like to see this done and then if this will make him happy, well then let's do it.

You know, it's all about Korean favor, but you know, it's my buddy Matt Matty Rosen, who's a manager and has a great Instagram account that everybody should be following.

It's like, why isn't somebody just give this guy a fucking overall deal.

That's all he wants.

He doesn't want to be president.

He just wants to have a fucking first look deal at a studio and just let him go make whatever the buck he wants.

I think he wants to do everything.

That's the issue is he wants to be an overall deal in everything he hasn't interest in.

Look, I'm a little jealous of that.

As someone with multiple interests myself, I would love to get an overall deal in every area sports, films, TV, politics and whatever.

You Trump is kind of has a lot of interest and certainly has a lot of opinions on all these things.

So I agree with Matty Rosen.

But the thing is just giving him a deal wouldn't be enough.

He'd want more.

He's one of those guys that just wants more.

But this is also kind of a but I think the reality of the situation is what you want.

What you brought up earlier is fair to Jeff, Like Chris Ducker, is fifty four, Jackie Chan is seventy one.

Now, I know Liam Neeson does take in films.

We've seen old people doing stuff and it's fine, but like, I don't know that this is what the public is clamoring for.

And are you really gonna sell this movie off Brett Ratner, who really hasn't had a lot of great movies recently.

This is all kinds of mistakes.

I think bringing back a rush Hour makes a lot of sense.

Reboot it, get a great new action direct David Leach, get a black actor, a white actor, sorry Asian actor, bring them together.

Let's have rush Hour for all a rush Hour all over again.

But doing it this way just I think puts a horrible energy around it that it's not gonna do well.

They gonna make a lot of.

Money, yeah, I mean Chris Tucker, I love the energy that he had as a young man.

Sure, but he's aged out of this role.

And Jackie Chan, like Matt Bellanie wrote when he wrote about this whole deal in his Puck News lit, Jackie Chan's last action scene was in the dark.

Yeah for a reason.

You know, Yeah, this is not a great idea.

I mean, you can say, well, we're gonna keep costs down on this and it's not gonna be so internationally flavored and globe trotting.

But you'd still have to think that those salaries for Tucker and Chan would be so large that it would just be prohibitive for this movie to turn a profit.

So I'll tell you something, Jeff, Ironically, this is a film that should go to to Netflix.

This is a perfect streaming film Rush hour four write it or paramount plus Rush hour four.

It would it would get all kinds of views.

And that's how you call it a success.

If you were to go this route, regardless of how it came about, if you don't box office exactly exactly, you could just say broke opening, broke records for viewing on opening a first release or whatever you want to say.

Original film.

That's the way to go with this thing.

Not like putting it out in the theater.

That's right, you're right.

Putting it in theaters puts a target on its back.

Yeah, in a way that probably wouldn't help.

Brett Rattner.

Like if the movie, you know it did, if it it'd be a miracle.

I think if it got made, Yeah, be a huge miracle.

If it was good.

So I just think I feel like Brett Ratner is setting himself up for failure.

And I'm not an anti like Brett ratt I'm not like a big anti Brett Rattner guy.

Like he obviously he's done some some shady shit, right, terrible shit.

As a director, I don't think that he deserves his reputation.

Actually think he makes pretty serviceable commercial movies.

And then in my personal experience with Brett Bratner, he's been very nice to me.

Yeah, because you're not a woman he wants to fuck come on, Jeff.

Sure.

I mean, I'll give you that, you know, but like I can't deny I had a good I've had good experiences with Brett Ratner and his team.

So yeah, you don't think about for him to come back or anything.

I'm finally living in a world where there are no Brett Ratner movies, and there are certainly people who are more deserving of a comeback, and certainly movies I'd rather see than Rush Hour four In this whole you know, I'm in a directive Milania Trump documentary.

To work my way back in is crazy, Yeah, but that's not what I'm here to like, I'm not litigating his scandal, but.

Isn't the this this but this isn't the energy you want to have.

This is the thing that's frustrating is that it's this energy is like, let's bring me your sexual assaulters.

Here is your safe haven, men who've abused women or positively raped women.

Here's the group to be a part of.

It's just a bad energy.

Why would you want to be a part of a group like that?

You know, it's so funny.

I just watched that Being Eddie documentary again on Netflix.

Really loved it.

Remember him and Rattner did that tower heist movie.

They were going to produce the Oscars, and there's got two guys who went a completely different direct.

You don't see Eddie cozying up to Trump.

And there were accusations with the transsexual stuff and all of that.

There were accusations with Eddie.

Eddie rolled with it.

Eddie's apologized for his past homophobic comments and post jokes.

He's done everything to.

Like kind of smooth things back and want to make people happy.

Here's Ratner running to do a Milania Docermannery running to it, maybe probably goating Trump and the talking about Rush Hour for because he wants a Hollywood comeback.

I would not be surprised that this was Rattner in fucking Trump's ear like worm tongue trying to convince him to get him back into the good graces of Hollywood.

And so that's the two different paths you can take in life.

You can double down and go towards the people who will just cater to your sicker instincts, or you will apologize, move forward and progress.

And those are the differences between these two guys, I think in the way they've dealt with their allegations.

Of course, but I'm with you in that a reboot makes more sense if you're gonna have if you're gonna commit to a rush Hour movie wrecked by Banner, yeah as well just reboot the thing and try to make it with cheap talent Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan.

It'd be one thing.

If you're paying these guys because they're worth it, yeah, you're not worth it anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know, we've seen the explosion of Korean films.

It doesn't have to be, you know, a Chinese guy.

It can be a Korean guy.

And you take advantage of people get involved with Kay Jra, Mka pop all this stuff.

So you make it a Korean American crossover that could be a lot of fun.

And you find there's a lot of great young Korean actors who are out there, or slightly older Kreen actors you can bring in to play that role.

I'd love to see it.

Do you think we get the next generation here?

Like do you think we get like Chris Tucker and Jackie Chanl like having kids.

And may become like Buddy Cops the kids.

Yeah, I mean maybe you'd have to cast that so well, Jeff.

You'd have to find the right guys to play these characters.

And I don't know, necessarily a lot of young up and coming actors who want to get involved in the situation like this.

I don't know that's a fair point.

I just know I do think that audiences are kind of starved for like buddy action comedies and that ye kind of stuff.

But yeah, Rush Hour for Lethal Weapon five, these are not the answer.

No, No, they're not in any way, shape or form.

Well, let's move on from this and talk about this, Jeff.

There are apparently more wicked sequels on the way.

This thing, of course, blowing up at the box office two hundred and twenty eight million dollars over this previous weekend, and of course we're going to see how it does battling Zootopia to this weekend.

But there are reports coming out that Universal Pictures is looking at doing sequels to this movie.

Steven Schwartz even came out and said, you know, there are other Maguire books that he wrote.

There's an Alphaba prequel movie or story.

Rather, there's a Glinda book coming, a prequel Glinda book coming.

So should they leave this alone or do you think this now becomes an ip that they keep milking it?

Considering also how not universally beloved the second film has been critically What are your thoughts on this idea of them going forward more?

We can sequels are exploring this more, because wasn't this the magic of Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande much more than necessarily the property of the franchise.

Yeah, I mean, I'm with you.

I don't need any more Wicked movies.

Who was enough?

I was disappointed by the second one.

I really did like the first one.

Yeah right, yeah, excellent.

I mean, you know, Perry talked, we do we do a best casting f I C episode that was here tomorrow, And like Perry says, I haven't seen like two actors who are more perfect for their roles right than Cynthia and Ariana Grande, Like they basically are those characters, and and and it went a long way.

But the second movie, just the story was mess.

Yeah.

I didn't care for it.

So I don't need more of these stories, even though you probably could make unlimited number of Wicked movies.

Yeah, I mean it's they're totally gonna make more movies.

Of course they're gonna try.

I don't know how you go.

I guess you can find even younger pop star to play young Glinda.

But I think, but I think once you start going into prequel territory, Jeff, it gets a little dangerous because are you gonna find actresses that are gonna have that kind of energy that arian Grande and Cynthia rivo Haad into Perry's point, who are perfectly cast to play the younger versions of these characters.

And what are we gonna see from Glinda?

She has no magic, So are we gonna spend a whole movie being frustrated about the fact that she has no magic, and doesn't she become this vapid, self involved person who needs everybody kissing her ass?

So why do I want to see a prequel film of.

That with with with Alpha?

But there's much more interesting territory to explore with her dad not treating her well, issues with her sister or sisters being, her sister being in a wheelchair, and the mom who is the real father.

Those kinds of things are interesting, spot But I don't know if there's much in the Glinda story to tell.

But aren't there fifty Wizard of Oz books?

Can't they just pull from that?

Well?

Those are l Frank Frank Baum books and these are Greg William maguire books.

Those are two different things in how they approach it.

So he's written in books they can adapt.

They wouldn't take that.

Yeah, I don't know what they're allowed to use and not use and.

All that kind of yeah.

Yeah yeah, But also you got to get music.

This would have to be original.

And those two songs that they wrote for the movie Jeff were not received well even by the wicked heads who love the Broadway musical.

So I thought I could tell watching and I was like, oh, this was probably not one of the old.

Yeah, yeah, that could be a danger, But I don't think they're gonna stop anytime soon.

They're gonna print money trying to do this thing.

But well, so what is your prediction for this?

Though?

As disput as you were the movie, just like I was, I think you and I are on the same page on that.

Do you think that this thing crosses a billion like a lot of people think it's going to, or do you think now seeing the numbers come out, seeing the reception, that it might actually get seven seven fifty not much more than that.

Yeah, I'm with you.

I think, you know, eight hundred is probably the ceiling for something like this.

I don't think of a crack a billion.

I think there's just too much competition again with Utopia two coming and then Avatar and you know, not far off.

I'm sure there'll be you know, sing a lungs and all kinds of other special screens.

But I just don't sense the same magic as the first film, So I imagine this will taper off shortly.

I hate the new narrative that's popping up already, saying like the movie made a billion dollars.

Well, yes, both movies made a billion dollars.

But they're two separate movies.

Don't start claiming that they're one movie now when it's convenient.

That's madness for me on so many levels.

All right, let's move on to this.

Let's want another big story.

Let's talk about James Cameron, Jeff He was a recent interview with THCHR.

He had a lot to say about Oh sorry with Matt Bellanie.

Sorry at the town's Matt Bellan.

He's allowed to say about Paramount and what's going on here with the WBT sale, and also about Netflix and the Oscars.

This is exact quote.

When he was asked about all of this, Cameron said, I think Paramount's the best choice.

To buy Warner Brothers.

Discovery, Netflix would be a disaster, Sorry Ted, Ted Sarandos, but gee, Sarah Doos has gone on the record saying theatrical films are dead.

Theatrical is dead, quote unquote, and Bellanie follows up saying he's now promising theaters if he buys Warner Brothers, and Cameron says, it's suckerbait.

We'll put the movie out for a week or ten days, we'll qualify for Oscars.

I think that's fundamentally rotten to the core.

A movie should be made as a movie for theatrical and the Academy Awards be nothing to me.

If they don't mean theatrical.

I think they've been co opted, and I think it's horrific.

And Bellanie follows up and says, do you think they should be allowed to compete for oscars?

You don't think they should be allowed to compete for Oscars?

And Cameron says they should be allowed to compete if they put the movie out for a meaningful release in two thousand theaters for a month.

So very strong words from one of the premier filmmakers.

He was about to have his film debut in a couple of weeks or three weeks here.

Jeff, what are your thoughts on his comments?

And do you think he's right that Netflix shouldn't be qualifying for any oscars if they're not putting their movies out theatric.

It's it's a tough question.

I don't know that you that that it's the Academy's place.

Yeah, strong arm a company into and and dictate the company's business model.

Yet I would say, listen, we're only going to be honoring movies that come out in two thousand theaters for a month.

Yeah, but but like, well then why why is that the requirement?

But then something like an international film or a documentary that only needs a one week qualifying release, and like you'd have to change the entire rule book, right, I think that, Yeah, it sucks that Netflix doesn't really believe in theatrical and and and I think it's hypocritical.

And on those occasions when they're like, oh, yeah, like we're gonna give a big release for Narnia or whatever, like they're just it just feels disingenuous.

It's actually like just kind of refreshing when Ted Serranos just comes out and says, like, listen, this isn't our business model.

It's just the Oscars are about honoring movies, and Netflix does make movies.

You know, These aren't lesser pieces of art just because they didn't debut in a theater.

The debut at home on Netflix.

So I kind of disagree with Cameron on that front.

While there are things I think the Academy could do to force Netflix's hand a little bit, I just don't know if it's their place.

I think it's a sliding scale, isn't it and look, I respect obviously, I respect James cameron incredible legacy as a filmmaker.

Looking forward to seeing I see it on Monday, Avatar, Fire and Ash.

I hope it's good, and I've loved his movies in the past.

But you can't ignore the fact that my man is almost eighty years old and he's got a point of view about how things should be.

And as you get older, that's how you've become.

You become usually become more croschty, more like, this is the way things should be.

The kids are doing it all wrong.

But you could argue that when he came out in the nineteen nineties.

I know it came out in the eighties with Terminado, but came out in the nineteen nineties it really exploded as a filmmaker.

A lot of special effects, a lot of CGI, and you could argue that people like Billy Wilder and John Ford w be like, well, I think it's cheating to use CGI.

Those films shouldn't be nominated for oscars.

They're cheating and using for So it's all about progress and evolution, and so we've evolved to the point where streaming services now are available a lot of people don't want to go out to the theater for social anxiety issues, to cost all this kind of thing, So why should they be marginalized as consumers of films because they like to watch films at home, and so I think there's a fair thing to have films released if they're shot as films.

What's this thing is?

Dexter Fletcher said that about It was a ghosted the film with Chris Klein and are On Dharmacies that I realized I had to shoot a film in a certain way for streaming.

Train Dreams is not shot for streaming, so there are Frankenstein is not shot for streaming.

So the films that are shot to mirror theatrical experience I think should absolutely be in consideration.

So I think Cameron's I'm with you.

I think Cameron's off base on that because the medium has evolved and that's the way it goes always.

Right, we shouldn't be analyzed for catering to an audience that very much exists and is very real, right, Yeah, there's yeah, hundreds of millions of people around the world either don't have the access to get to a movie theater or can't afford to get to a movie theater, whether their health is compromised or whatever it is.

Yeah, and just because they cater to that audience doesn't mean that the movie should be ineligible for a year and awards.

And I know people are like, well, well, you know those movies should you know, they should be eligible for awards, and the awards should be the Emmys, the Emmys.

Yeah, I don't buy that argument, and I always I personally, I think like the TV Movie Award at the Emmys is terrible, Like we're giving an Emmy to movies that are basically weren't good enough to play theaters and we're just like, like, Rebel Ridge is a good movie, but like she deserves an Emmy, Like because the other four nominees were like quiz lady, Like this is stupid, Like why are we doing this?

So no, I don't I don't need to see you know, Netflix's movies, uh relegated to competing against each other for an Emmy.

But let me ask your followup questions.

A great point you make, Jeff.

Let me ask your follow up question on this, because I think I've seen some people commenting on this online and other articles on it, and I hadn't thought of it in the quite this way, And what are your thoughts on is this a situation that is showing us that theater is on life support, that movie theaters are on life support, because you know, you've got Greta Garrog Gilma del Toro, You've got premiere filmmakers moving to do films on streaming services, great directors, up and coming director I'm a film like doing stuff there, and or Greti Gerwick right doing her Narnia stuff.

So you see this all happening, and are you thinking to yourself like, is this an indicator that even creatives are not willing to hold the line anymore to only do theatrical stuff that they are going to go.

They're going to the.

Yeah, they're taking the money.

Could have done anything in the world after Barbie right, and she decided to make a movie for Netflix, and she.

Could have pulled out of the deal.

Right, Maybe there's a penalty, maybe there's some issues, but she could have pulled out of the deal to go theatrical if she wanted to make a stand.

But now she essentially gets sidelined to do a streaming version of this that is only going to get three weeks in the theater.

I mean, there's no question at the end when people like David Fincher are like, yeah, I'm fine just making a movie for Netflix, Like, I just want to make the movie that's in my head.

I don't want to have toilor it, you know, to this audience or that other test screen or you know anything that should you have to do for theatrical because you're spending tens of millions of dollars on marketing and all that stuff.

I think it does show that, yeah, theaters are on life support.

I don't think that's any secret.

I don't think it's any mystery.

But they're on life support, not just because of the choices that artists make, because you know, they have to choose from the options that they're presented with.

Right right, the audience, the audience is the one that is rejecting movie theaters.

Yes, yes, you know, yes, yes, I'm so.

I tweeted this out weeks ago.

I'm so tired of the audience getting a pass.

This is nonsense, This is nonsense.

If you can go after executives, you can go after directors, and go after actors, and go after producers, go after writers.

You can go after the movie going audience.

Okay, they are not the fucking untouchable.

Fuck off with that stupidity, we are.

You're right, you can question the audience their instincts, the things they want to see, the things they don't go to see, the things they patronize or don't patronize.

Those are all signs of what's happening.

And to ignore those signs is ignorant to me when you look at the situation that's going on here.

Man, the audience always tells you what they want and where they're going.

Yeah, you might be ahead of the audience every once in a while, but it's not a it's not a standard, it's not a rule, you know.

It's much more the norm that the audience does and what they're looking for.

I believe that today marks the premiere in theaters of Wake Up dead Man.

Yes, yes, And I think that Wake Up dead Man is not going to do as well as Glass Onion in theaters because there's another Netflix thing that's debuting tonight called Stranger Things.

Oh right, off the test of the audience.

Are you going to stay home and watch Stranger Things?

Do you want to go out to the theater and support our you know, big movie franchise, right, and I think you're going to see people stay home and that's just the audience telling you what it wants.

Yeah.

Plus they're not you know, they're not putting it in AMC theaters and other chains.

So there's a rejection of that model from Netflix when it comes to Knives Out and what have you.

So it's an interesting situation.

I mean I get obviously, I get where James comor because James is stumping for theatrical and you see Tom Cruise doing that all the time.

But this is the evolution of things and COVID pushed it that way and it's going to keep going that way and more and more creatives are gonna, you know, stop on the box and go streaming.

I am grateful for Cameron for sticking to his guns and for you know, committing to the theatrical experience.

Right.

But yeah, I think you're right.

I think he's just a little past, Yeah, a little bit on that.

What do you think about his comments about Avatar?

He said, you know it's about to come out.

He was further on the podcast with Bellini there he said, I have no doubt in my mind that.

This movie will make money.

The question is doesn't make enough money to justify doing it again, and when asked about with when he leave, he said absolutely.

I've been in Avatar land for twenty years, actually thirty years, because I wrote it in nineteen ninety five, but I wasn't working continuously on it for the first ten years.

There was a brief flurry of interest in ninety five, and then everybody said you're out of your mind, and I shoved it for ten years, and then we got serious in two thousand and five, and he was asked if he would pass on the franchise run of the Filmmaker, he says, absolutely not.

Look, I have choices.

There there are levels in which I can immerse.

I don't think there'd be a version where there's another Avatar movie that I didn't produce closely, but in terms of it taken over my life, that's a threshold issue for me.

So is he kind of greasing the skins, greasing the rails a little bit to get himself out of this and go into other things because people have been clamoring for years for him to move away from Avatar and do other movies, other projects.

What do you think about his comments here?

He's laying that ground work.

I mean, if this turned out, I'd be surprised if this was the last Avatar movie, but it could be.

I think if you want awards and again a sight unseen, just on a long shot, because I'm frustrated with the Awards movies this year.

Yeah, I have Avatar winning Best Picture this year.

Now.

Is that a long shot?

Yes?

Is it less of a long shot If James Cameron came out and said Avatar three is gonna be the last one, Yeah, then I think it's gonna shoot up the rankings for funds.

So I don't know if that would actually be smart to say this is actually the conclusion they just it doesn't feel it feels like they are setting us up for like, hey, don't be surprised if there aren't more Avatar movies, right, But it also doesn't feel like they're setting us up for like this is the finale.

Right right.

I think maybe they're setting us up for Cameron to take a break for a couple of years of work on something else and then come back to Avatar.

Yeah, like in five to ten years.

Because he said he wanted to do six of them or five or six of them, but he didn't say in a row, right, so there might be other things.

I agree.

I do think he steps away for a little bit to do it the Hiroshima movie, and maybe then he'll revisit Avatar four and five after that.

I just bought the book over the weekend, so I want to want to read that Hiroshima book and see if it's any good and worth worth doing a movie on.

So we'll see real quick.

I want to ask you about something.

This wasn't on the Breakdown, but I thought it was very interesting when I read about it more yesterday.

Doctor Theoretical in the chat mentions how Cameron wrote Avatar in ninety five, three years after the nineteen ninety two release of fern Gully, and there have been some plagiarism accusations and stuff.

Did you see the plagiarism accusations around this Apple show The Hunt?

I read a little bit about it, but since it went off the streaming service or the screeners section before I could watch it, I don't have anything to compare it to.

So yeah, I watched like the first two or three episodes of the show.

I'm sure you can't say a thing about it, so inder embargo, but I thought it was fascinating.

This is the second show that Apple has moved that you know, like supposed to debut in recent months, of The Savant being the other one.

It did sound exactly like the nineteen seventy six movie Shoot with Cliff Robertson, Like that's the movie that some French critic was like, wait a second, this is like you've plagiarized this whole series.

Not even it sounds exactly like it.

I'm like, so brazen to rip off a movie from the seventies and think nobody's gonna.

Notice, especially films who applaud themselves on knowing obscure fields.

Pretty ballsy and wild and like, would it have really have been that tough to track down the rights and like do this is Galmont, which is one of the biggest companies in France.

Uh, just a very interesting situation.

I really wish I had finished watching The Hunt because now now who knows if we'll even get to see the rest of it.

I mean, but I imagine that this will just end up coming out next year and they'll just have to pay off, you know, the rights holders of the movie or the author of the book.

Yeah, yeah, you never heard of the nineteen seventy six movies.

Shoot, I have not and I like nineteen seventies movies, and I'd never heard of it, and I like cooth problems.

I was surprised by this, but.

Yeah, it's a nineteen seventy three novel.

Oh so there was a novel first by Douglas Fairburn, and then a movie was adapted into movie in nineteen seventy six, which is what you're referring to that.

Rights to the novel.

And maybe it's just a matter of paying off the author, but it's pretty wild.

But you're saying it's temporarily postponed.

I don't know how you You don't have to reshoot the whole fucking.

Thing, you know what I'm saying, very postponing because they need to make deals with the people they ripped off.

Essentially, Yeah, because it sounded like a I mean, I was gonna watch this thing.

I don't usually watch a lot of the foreign offerings from Apple, but I was gonna watch this thing because I like the idea of like two hunters stuck in this Like I got that edge on the Edge vibe to it.

For those of you know, The Hunters, a French series and it's about two groups of hunters like cross pads in the woods and one of them gets clipped, you know, takes a shot at the other end and gets clipped in the air, and then one of his buddies kills the shooter and then they go back to town, and you know, the party that we're you know, following is becomes paranoid that this other group of hunters is going to retaliate and come after them.

Yeah, I don't know, it's it's interesting.

I just thought it was wild that Apple has now pulled two shows in a row.

Well, I mean the Savat was pulled for different reasons, right because of the thing that was pulling to But I agree with you and this and this, I would argue, is something they're trying to get into more foreign shows.

So it is a lot of egg on because you ask yourself who missed this?

Like who missed this?

How do they not figure this out?

And why did this guy think he was gonna be able to get away with it?

Like that's the thing as well, how do you not pay homage?

You know?

Anyways, we can move on.

What's what's next on the list.

We'll talk about real quick.

Let's talk about Well, not real quick, let's talk about your story.

Bro, you broke this.

There is a Baby Boom remake happening here.

Jeff Snyder broke this on the in Snyder newsletter.

We get we can get all the big stuff that he is breaking here.

This is happening, Jeff.

You want to take it away?

Tell us what this story is all about.

Yeah, this is a story I'd heard about, like in early October, that Show Walter, who has sort of become Amazon's like go to director right right, the idea of you with Anne Hathaway.

He's got oh what fun coming out next week with Michelle Pfeiffer, And he's already wrapped a movie after that with another movie with Anne Hathaway based on the Colin Hoover book.

So that's gonna do pretty well next October, I think.

So Amazon bringing in Show Walter to do a modern reimagining of Baby Boom.

So when I, you know, first looked into it, it was like, you know, like, oh, yes, he's in talks, but like, we need a little bit more time.

And then a few days went by and Diane Keaton died, and that's always like shit, like this is a story like yeah.

You know, everyone's talking about like, oh, what's the best Diane Keaton movie and what are the underrated, underappreciated movies.

And I really wanted to come out and be like, hey, they're remaking Baby Boom.

But I also understand like, this isn't the right time to say, oh, Diane Keaton died.

Well, guess what, We're remaking a Diane Keaton movie.

Yes, exactly.

I had to give it some time to play out.

And I think there was also a question of whether Nancy Myers was going to be involved as a she wrote and produced the first movie or co wrote and produced it, but in the end, as of now, she's not involved.

I do think this is the kind of movie that Amazon should be remaking, right, the kind of library MGM library title.

This was a good movie in nineteen eighty seven, not an untouchable movie.

No, not into a shape or form.

And obviously women in the workplace and our attitudes towards that kind of stuff and juggling a career in motherhood at the change.

I think Show Walter, I love what he did with The Big Sick and even Hello my Name is Doris with Sally Field.

I think he's a skilled director who can balance, you know, not just like frat boy, you know, gross out humor or whatever, but like he does stuff with heart.

So I think he's a good choice for this, and I like this call from Amazon doing it Amazon.

I have to agree with you because you know, Michael Showalter from the State Right or one of those comedy comedy groups.

I can't remember what chemedy group he was in, but show Walter is great.

He's got great instincts in his direction, and you're one hundred percent right.

He makes films that have heart to them, and I've enjoyed most of his offerings.

I'm on board with you on that.

I was a little perturbed when Diane Keaton died and people just kind of passed over this movie.

This was a groundbreaking movie in nineteen eighties.

Yeah, I think I said I might have said this when we talked about Diane Keat when we did our tribute, Like this was a groundbreaking movie.

People were not doing movies about women in the workplace taking care of a baby because it's not her biological baby.

She has essentially bequeathed the baby, and she walks, she walks away from the corporate world to understand the power of motherhood and then has to decide by the end whether she's gonna go back or not.

So it's a really interesting film in that way, and it was groundbreaking for its time for women in the workplace.

The fact that you know, people ignored it drove me, not so the fact that there's a remake that they're considering, I think is great because, as you said, Jeff, our attitudes about this have completely changed.

We're in a generation now, the current generation, where women don't feel the need to have babies at all or even get married, like, they're not beholden to that.

In a large portion of women aren't beholden to that anymore as they were in the past.

So what does it look like when you have no interest in it and this situation happens.

How are you going to navigate it so it'll still echo the original but have its own take in a modern world nowadays?

And I think that could be fascinating, honestly.

Yeah, who do you cast?

Who do you cast as the Diane Keaton character?

I think I think it's kind of obvious.

I bet you, I bet you're gonna get it.

Go ahead.

I mean, if you did cast a relatively.

You know, young woman, who do you?

I don't Margot Robbie, I know is that?

Oh No, I could go so many different directions.

I go Phoebe, Phoebe waller Bridge.

Uh, I don't know.

Who do you got?

Who do you got in your mind?

Definitely not Phoebe waller Bridge.

Jamie's saying, Brosnahan is a good choice.

I think you go big, and I think you go after Zendaya.

What what?

I would have never guessed that a million years.

That's what I was like, Okay, this guy, you know, I mean Sally Field got great notices for Doris Zoe Kazan, got great notices for The Big Sick You look show Walter and he's working with Dakota Johnson and Ann Hathaway.

He just worked with Ann Hathaway.

He's working with Michelle Pfeiffer.

This is a guy with women will Yeah, it's a different kind of thing.

It's not a big important movie.

It's not a big blockbuster, but it's a good starring vehicle.

Right.

You know, you could show a little bit of rain, show off a little bit of comedy, show off a little bit of maternal stuff to Yeah, getting to be that age.

Now she's getting up.

What is how old is?

You know, late twenties.

Thendaya, Yeah, I think so, yeah, twenty seven or something like that.

I think Zindaia would be a great call for this, but obviously it's a reach, like that's the top of the list.

Yeah, she's twenty nine, so she's almost thirty.

I think it's kind of perfect interesting.

Just I have to believe because you just mentioned her that there have been conversations seeing Showalter and Dakota Johnson.

This also totally slides into Dakota Johnson territory her doing a film like this.

She has chops in comedy.

People seem to like her materialisted way better than people thought it was going to do, and it could be something new and interesting to explore.

And she's no wallflower.

She loves walking into issues, So it could be an interesting decision to have show Walter reteeming with Dakota to do a film like this.

It seems Do you think this goes streaming or theatrical?

That's the next question.

I think you can do theatrical really, depending on who you get.

If you go from there to go theatrical, I agree with that.

I just want to throw this out because Jamie Jenny mentioned it in my text here, which I'm not looking at during the show.

It's when you don't respond, that's good, right, Yeah.

We're talking were like back then the conversation was like, Okay, women raise kids, you know, but like could they work?

Can they you know, do work at the same time?

What about these days?

It's like men are supposed to work, but can a man really raise a child?

You know?

Could a single man raise a child on his and while a career?

Could you gender flip it, maybe make it an older man who you know didn't plan on having kids, uh, and now he's in his fifties or maybe even sixty and this kid, you know, winds up on his door.

Could you see someone like Steve Carell being in a Baby Boom remake.

They'd never do it because they'd be cries of sexism.

But I one thousand percent agree with you.

I think Steve Carell would be a great in a role like that.

And it's been a while, Jeff since we've had a Steven Carrell movie or performance to crow about, because just like.

I can imagine, like he's on the verge of some big promotion, he has to give some big presentation, but like this kid needs him and he's like, you know, he realizes at the end of the movie, like I need to be with my kid.

It's the job is just you know whatever, Like I don't know, I could see I could see that.

Yeah, you really want to challenge yourself.

Two things.

Cast Jeremy Strong in the role.

Let's see Jeremy Strong do it.

The second part is and this would be interesting and probably wouldn't maybe sell, but like what if you cast a gay man in the role.

That's that's how you could get away with the gender switch.

It's a gay man who is a corporate guy.

He's out, he's doing his thing.

But here's a child.

Now, how do we deal with the fact that a child's been to quit to a gay man and he didn't want to have kids.

He's an intertrnamic kids.

He's got to raise the kid.

He's got to deal with the kids.

Got to deal with the fact that his dad's gay.

How's that interpretation, how's that reaction like with his like all of that, there's a lot of interesting stuff to explore.

John, they're looking for a writer.

Maybe we should pitch on this as a writing.

Let's do it.

Get us in the room, show up.

See I like man, I'm Malecki seventy eight.

They're coming cast Jeff Snyder.

Where think about the comedy in that?

Give me a kid?

Holy shit, you look.

I've seen all your pictures and videos that you put on social media with the way you deal with your niece, and you are very, very great with the kids in the in your immediate family.

Oh yeah, sure, if I had I don't know, if I had to juggle a real job.

I think a kid would change you so much.

I think you'd mature overnight.

You'd have to wind up fucked up.

I want the montage of you pouring out all your beer, throwing out all your weed.

The montage of JT is the kid j.

I could just swaddle JT.

I love it with his back with his hat turned backwards to be perfect joy.

You thought I already had a kid?

My choice.

Well, let's let's let's move to the story.

I know you're probably not gonna have much to say about it yet, but we should cover it real quick.

Uh.

There is a second round of bidding going on for Warner Brothers Discovery because the the first deadline came and went last Thursday with little fanfare, but now apparently a new report at Bloomberg News in the case that a second round of bidding is in the works, with those bids due by this coming Monday, December first, and the bids must be higher than the original proposals.

The reporting in the case that following the submission of the new round of bids and Studio Quote may enter a period of exclusive negotiations with one of the companies.

So that second part is the part that grabs my eye.

That once they submit these bids, then they can enter immediately into negotiations.

So you hear that, Jeff, I know you've been saying this isn't gonna happen till the split next year.

But now when you hear a second round of bids and they can go right into negotiations, are you maybe backing off that opinion?

Doesn't change anything for me, because they can neg They can be like, all right, we got our second bids, that people sweeten the offer, We're gonna exclusively negotiate with paramount, and then they could just drag out the negotiation until April, and then April comes and they're like, all right, we're gonna split and now I'll you know, a whole bunch of other offers come in, if they even sell right right, then tell because at this point the stock price of Warner Brothers has doubled.

So the sale rumors have done their job and made Warner Brothers twice as valuable as it was overnight.

Basically, so what are we even in a rush to sell?

For which, to be fair, you did say when this whole thing popped off, that this was maybe done to boost the price, and then they'll decide what they're gonna do at that point.

Now they've got all these options to play with if they go that route.

Is Paramount is Warner Brothers.

It's Warner Brothers acting like a studio that is trying to sell.

Is Paramount acting like a studio that is trying to buy another studio?

Not aside from like all the bidding and that kind of stuff, but like in the other moves that they're making.

Don't I don't get that sense?

Can you.

Go more?

Can you speak more on that?

Why do you think they're not acting as you said?

Why do you think Paramount is an acting that way?

Why do you think Warner Brothers is an acting that way?

Because the things they're announcing or what.

Yeah, I'd have to think about this a little bit more.

Let's move on to the next beat and I'll come back to it.

Okay, Okay, Well, I think this is an interesting situation to have a second round of bid so quickly after a first round, like what's the rush.

That's what makes me.

I'm on the opposite side of this with you.

I think this is going to happen very quickly.

I think Paramount's gonna go into negotiations with one of whethers by the end of the year or at the beginning of the next year, and they're gonna lock this thing down.

They want the whole thing.

And I think the fact that they're already doing a second round bid, like literally five days after the first round of bids and they can go in negotiations, that to me indicates that they want this to happen.

And Allison keeps saying I want this.

Nothing's gonna stop me.

I want this.

We're gonna make this happen.

And there are stories about him going to get money from Saudi Arabia and other places like there seems to be a real impetus.

And then you have Cameron weighing in just this week saying this should go the route to the Paramount, right, And I see that becoming the narrative from a lot of people, even anti Trump people, saying Paramount is the right choice if they're going to sell, because they'll retain at least theatrical distribution or what have you.

So we'll see.

Yeah again, I just I don't.

I just look at Warner Brothers and like the decisions that they're making and and same apparently I just don't get the vibe that these two are gonna link up together.

I just I don't know what to say.

I don't know how else.

Just I just wanted to get your thoughts on the recent news on it.

Well, two people that are linking together, Jeff, this is gonna be interesting.

What are your thoughts on this?

Scarlett Johnson and Mike Flannagan are coming together to make the new the next Exorcist movie.

I don't know if she's gonna move on to do the second one as well that he's tasked on doing.

But what are your thoughts of Mike Flanagan getting Scarlett Johansson to be the star of his new Exorcism?

But that's a hell of a coo.

Jeff, you talk about a baby baby boom, she could be baby Boom.

Well, what are your thoughts on this?

She?

I mean she would be a good call for me.

Again, she's a movie star who people actually show up for.

I think this is one of the few things that they could do to like get people interested in this.

Again, I don't think I think The Exorcist as a franchise is last as last cachet.

Flannagan personally holds no cachet with me.

I'm not a fan guy at all.

Right, right, multiple examples of this at this point doesn't mean I think he's just like terrible.

Like there, He's done some good stuff, but his stuff's not for me.

Scarlett Johansson, I think is a real casting coup.

Okay, but.

You like, is it just like another big salary on a franchise that just isn't gonna work.

I know she's been trying to do horror for a while.

So this is why I don't love this for her, because I don't love you know, I don't love the franchise, and I just would have liked to have seen her work with somebody like hot, like a hot young horror director.

If that's what you wanted to do, because I've heard for months that she wanted that she wanted to do a horror movie.

No, I didn't like My Doctor Sleep, Mike Choyce.

I would like I would have liked to have seen her like link up with Parker Finn, the Smile director.

Oh okay, you.

Know one of these cool like even in an Ari aster.

Right he hasn't worked with scar Joe, Yeah, right, right, Yeah.

I don't understand doing The Exorcists, which has been done before and better, and you're never gonna do it as good as the original, never gonna do it like Alan Burston Flannagan's underwhelming.

So yeah, I just don't love this for her.

I think it's a fascinating decision by her because I mean, is just she's just coming out of the Jurassic World rebirth situation and that movie made almost a billion dollars.

Uh, And so you know she's done the small movie thing.

Scarlet may becoming the female Tom cru And by that, I mean like she is willing to try things on a large scale, try new things on a large scale, to see if she can be theatrical, theatrically viable consistently, and so I like this as a decision.

It feels like a step back a little bit from the Jurassic.

World thing, because Excisis is kind of a damaged brand.

But if her and Mike Flanning can come together and create a damn good Exorcist movie, and we know horror does really well when it hits with audiences, this could be a smart move by her.

And then you can say, well, here are two franchises because I mean Marvels, everybody, but two franchises where she walked in took the lead, and the films made a shit ton of money, which gives her even more cachet in Hollywood to do what she wants to do.

And I think she's kind of slowly becoming this power everything Reese Witherspoon thinks she is, Scarlett Johansson is becoming.

And I think this is a fascinating decision from her.

I agree with you.

It looks like a bad decision, but it could yield positive results for her.

Oh.

I mean again, I like that her her instincts are right that she should go do a horror or is having a moment she hasn't really done a horror A proper worm.

I just yeah, I want her to do something edgy or in something a twenty four and not one of these tired franchises.

There's just so much good horror being made by so many interesting people.

Exorcistm like Flannagan is just not a combination that interests me.

But people like flann I know you don't, but people do like him and like.

His there yeah, people like long Legs do.

I made seventy five million, it was the biggest India of the year.

But yeah, so we'll see, we'll see.

But I kind of it's weird thing because I kind of admire the guts and taking a chance on this.

This is a big chance.

This isn't like disappearing into a rob com or disappearing into another small film.

And maybe for her also having just worked on Ella the Great and directing it, maybe you know, there's another chance to work with another director and get some more tips and get herself better as a director.

That's a very real possibility as well.

We'll see.

Yeah, speaking of directors, let's talk about this.

Jeff Ryan Johnson has officially said that his trilogy is effectively dead, quote unquote.

His Star Wars trilogy right on the heels of Sean Levy telling us that he's had never had more creative freedom to do what he wants to do in the Star Wars universe, making the film that he is making.

How do you take these comments, chef?

How do you take Ryan Johnson saying something that we all have pretty much assumed since the reception.

That frustrates me.

It's like, as a Scooper I could scream until him blue in the face that this movie isn't happening.

People will be like, well, they said it is, and they you know, he gets asked about it every three years when he makes a knives Out movie and says it's still going now.

Thank god, Ryan Johnson came out and said, yes, this is effectively dead.

Nothing's happening on this now.

There are other projects that are that still have a beating pulse, like Taika wa Tits, Star Wars right, things that have been jest stating for almost as long.

Yeah, but yeah, Ryan Johnson, this was never happened.

This is this isn't this isn't good.

Where are we at right now?

Man?

I mean it seems like like I was discussing this with Michael on Geek Buddies earlier this week and he was saying, or was it last week?

And he said, like to him, is star Wars?

I guess I'm starting Christian about it too.

Is Star Wars back if Mando and Grogu and Starfighter do well?

And my contention is Star Wars is not back theatrically until they release a trilogy that gets universally beloved by the fans.

Again, doing these one offs isn't going to bring the brand back, I think fully back.

I think you have to start a new trilogy.

That's what people grew up with.

That's what people know.

There have been three generations of trilogies.

And if you have, that's how you announced that you're back.

What do you think?

Yeah, I mean, no one knew that there was going to be trilogy when they saw Star Wars in nineteen seventy seven.

You make one good movie, that's all it takes.

It's the beauty of the business.

All it takes is one.

Yeah, DC, right, Yeah, you know.

I don't expect the gostly movie Starfighter to launch a trilogy, you know, but I think Star Wars could be back if that movie hits.

Even if it doesn't launch a trilogy.

I mean Star Wars is riding high right now off of and or that's true that I wouldn't You're right, I would maybe stop short of saying it's back because it's not back on the big screen yet.

And I think that you're right, there is something to even if Mando works.

I don't know if the series is if the franchise is really back yet.

I think it's going to take in a real like if, but if Starfighter works, I feel comfortable saying Star Wars is back.

Yeah, yeah, okay, I just I've always yea right about but we're in nineteen seventy seven when the first one came out, I think seventy seven.

But like the public has been conditioned to expect trilogies from Star Wars now, and so it's a different world than it was when the first one came.

Outing a trilogy.

So you're saying that Star Wars won't be back until Simon Kinberg delivers that trilogy and all three movies come out and e success.

At least the first movie comes out and as a success, then people are excited, just like Superman, essentially saving the DC brand for now.

For now, the DC brand with the way it came out was received.

I think people are trapid because Mandoin Grogu is an extension of a TV show, So fine, you do.

And then even Favreau came out this week saying there is still a season four we're working on, which is really confusing.

And then Starfighter is supposedly a one off.

So great, but those are just like kind of it's like Hobson Shaw right, that's not Fast and Furious line, that's an alternate thing, that's a spinoff.

But so to me, he comes out with that film, if it even ever comes out, Jeff, let's just put that on the table as well, of course.

Although I do think that we will get the start of another trilogy by twenty twenty nine, right right, So I think in the next five years Star Wars will be quote unquote back.

Interesting, speaking of coming back, how about this, Jeff, I know this isn't a runner, but I gotta ask you this kind of broke.

But colleague Caulkin apparently has an idea for a new home alone movie.

He's offered an idea for a legacy equal to the franchise.

He was appearing at a Nostalgic Night Live event, and he said he would love to return to play Kevin McAllister in a new Home Alone movie.

He said, quote, I wouldn't be completely allergic.

It would have to just be right.

And he said, I kind of had this idea.

I'm either a widower or a divorcee.

I'm raising a kid and all that stuff.

I'm working really hard, I'm not really paying enough attention, and the kid is kind of getting miffed at me.

And then I get locked out.

My son won't let me in and he's the one setting traps for me.

The house is some sort of metaphor for our relationship.

Kevin has to get back into his son's heart.

Now, when you take your finger out of your mouth from throwing up at that description, one, are your thoughts on this idea?

Because this seems like this would be a fun idea for streaming.

We saw a Christmas Story sequel that was pretty terrible on Netflix.

Would it be possible to see a Home Alone sequel go to streaming?

Do you think with him returny?

On one hand, a Home Alone legacy sequel feels inevitable.

It feels like for years.

Yeah, but.

That's a horrible pitch and obviously the pitch of each child who has severe issues with his father.

I mean, Kit Culkin was by all accounts a monster.

Yes, right, exactly, good point.

And you heard about it in the John Candy documentary where like John Candy would like notice Macaulay Culkin on the set of like Uncle Buck and be like, okay kid.

Yeah.

So just reading that response, he's like, yeah, this is my pitch for Home Alone.

I'm like, bro, you need therapy.

That is not a movie, a holiday movie pitch.

That is something you need to work out in behind closed doors.

But I do think that there is a way to do a Home Alone legacy sequel.

I just I just don't think it's a great idea.

Home Alone, to me, is one of the most perfect movies of all time.

And to me this feels like another like people talking about a sequel to another John Hughes movie that I could see it would make sense, but is probably a bad idea.

And that movie is Ferris Bueller.

Oh yeah.

You know how many times if you said, oh, Faris Bueler could have a kid and the kids playing hooky, and Ferris plays hooky from his job and then they you know, cross paths while they're both playing hooky.

I mean, like I could see that movie Matthew Broderick and then a young lead.

But this is this is a bad idea now.

And to me, Home Alan is the same thing those two with Mac.

I love them both, and I would probably just leave it in the past.

And this is but this is one of that rare franchise because I could call it franchise where everyone is still alive, right, just about everyone except other than John Candy obviously.

But you've got Catherine and Harris still here, Joe Peesh's still here, Daniel Stearn still here.

You couldn't bring that what John Hurd's gone though, right, all.

Right, John Hurd is passed on, right, all right, so you'd have but you'd still have at least one half of the parents, so you could do.

So this feels tailor Man for streaming, but a different pitch, a different pitch because the father and son should be working together, and you know, Kevin and him should be working together to overcome some outside threat.

Yeah here here, okay, here's a pitch for you.

Okay, okay, since we're coming off of Good Boy.

Right are we, Okay, let's go ahead.

Well, I mean you're for.

The ten people that saw it.

Could you see Home alone with a dog.

With a dog one thousand percent?

Dog is left home alone and the dog.

Yeah, yes, one thousand percent.

That would be amazing.

I think so too, because dogs are I mean, I know dogs can be quite at times, like just singular focused, but they also can be really fucking smart.

My girlfriend's sister's dogs apparently found a way to push chairs beneath the cabinet, climbed up into the cabinet and got to their doggy streets on the fifth fucking shelf of the cabinet.

They opened the door and dove up shelves to get that.

It was insane and so, uh yes, I could see that one hundred percent.

And that's an easy way to get like a manu built in audience to show up and see the movie, you know, and you'd have to cast who would you cast as the owners?

And who would you cast as and what are they trying to get?

Thee as the dog walker who gets to show up that day?

And uh, you know that's why the dog is alone.

Remember that pitch that was going around for Stone alone?

No, I do not remember that pitch.

What was that?

This was a pitch that I think twentieth century bought uh and I at the time.

I don't know if it was ever reported, but I know that they wanted Dave Franco, and the idea was that a stoner gets so high that he thinks someone is trying to break into his home.

Well, interesting, he's.

Basically like fighting off like imaginary intruders because he's so fucking high.

I think you could actually do something.

There is something to do with it.

That is genius.

That is fucking genius.

I would watch a show film.

Like, I mean, could you cast Kevin McAllister.

It's just like pot smoking dad, who like gets so paranoid he thinks Harry and Margaret back.

I just think it's great that we live in a world where eventually people come back to the things that made them who they were, even if they had an uncomfortable relationship with it.

And you know, McCauley's just the latest line.

We saw this with William Shatner.

He hated how much he was typecast as Kirk, trying to do all kinds of things to avoid it.

They even did a funny sn L sketch about it, and eventually he re embraced being Captain Kirk and so you see that.

I know McCauley had a lot of difficulty.

Obviously you mentioned his dad, but also like this is all people saw him as.

So transitioning to being an adult actor was not easy and all a lot of stuff he was going through.

And so the fact that he would be even considerate to come back, and he would even consider coming back to play chemical, I think this is a good sign, you know, and eventually time hills all wounds if you, if you do the work, and you know, the society moves on and forgives.

We see that all the time.

All right, what's next?

All right?

What have I got on the line up?

Oh?

Yes, I don't have a picture for this, but what are your thoughts on this story about Othello?

David A.

Yellowoe is doing a Fellow with Barbara Broccoli of James Bond fame.

Daniel Craig originally played the version of Yago in this version of a Fellow on stage I think the Donmar Warehouse.

But now they're doing the film version of this next year.

Does this make sense?

And you've got some high power talent involved in this one as well, Jeff, does this make a lot of sense for you when you look at the cast involved in all of this, with Rachel Brosn and Desdemona Cynthia Rivo fresh off of Wicket fame as Yago's wife Emilia.

What do we need another Shakespeare adaptation here?

I mean I like it.

I actually do like a fellow.

It's one of my more favorite Shakespeare tales.

No, I don't.

I don't think we do need more Shakespeare.

I mean these movies don't perform very well.

No, it was weird about that.

Is like for years this has been the Daniel Craig project.

This has been his watching project with Broccoli, and then the announcement comes and he's not in it.

Yeah, not officially in it right exactly.

We don't know if he's gonna be.

They're they're waiting and then they're gonna announce him separately or And I could see this being the case.

I'm not saying that it is the case at all.

I don't know whether Daniel Craig is involved, still involved or not.

Yeah, if I.

Was Daniel Craig, I'd be a little like David A Yellow.

Not that not as a co star, but as the director.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

This is who I want directing my Othello movie, David Yellow.

I have not been impressed with him as a director.

Okay, so maybe there's.

An element of that where it's like maybe maybe they really wanted David to come in and start, and he's like, I'm only gonna do it if I direct, and a like fine director.

Now Daniel Craig's like, why do we.

Why tuck me into it?

So I don't know.

I'm not trying to ship took David Yellow the director.

I just you know, I'm a little I was a little underwhelmed by that part of the announcement.

I've never seen anything he's directed, The Big Guy, A Big Guy or The Waterman.

I've never seen anything he's directed.

But the numbers are not good in terms of the reviews and the scores on so you might have an excellent point on that end.

I think more it's like, do we need another Fellow adaptation on screen?

And a Yellow O doesn't really put butts in seats.

I mean, nobody saw his Government g show on Apple, and I wonder if that's the route you want to go with with so many phenomenal black actors working Yeah, it's a yellow o.

The guy you a little dude too, incredibly talent longman bas Reeves was a fight Yeah, Like, isn't he like tiny?

Yeah kind of yeah, I guess you would say that, Yeah, a little tiny.

But but I you know, I think there's some really powerful young actors that were not young because you don't want to go too young with Othello.

But there are powerful, strong actors that could play black actors.

They could command more of the screen presence of Othello.

I mean, this guy is a leader of you know, armies, a fellow, so it would just be an interesting But I also think fucking Craig's a little too old to play Yago as well.

I think that's another element of this as well.

You gotta go with younger guys.

You gotta go some of the thirties.

All these fifties and sixty year old guys thinking they're still in their thirties is maddening to me.

When I watch Yeah, Barbara Broccoli good at producing Bond movies.

Can she produce outside of that?

We'll see?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, I think that's everything.

Oh no, let's talk about the trailers.

This week, we had some new trailers.

This week, Jeff, anything that you liked or enjoyed from the trailers that we got this week, because the week you.

Got home for less than forty eight hours.

And all I've done is just watch trailers with different members of my family.

Trailer times.

The first they're like, first they come through the door, Like, what trailers are you watching?

It's been interesting to get people's feedback and everything.

Uh, what Glenn Powell how to make a killing?

The new Glenn Powell from from twenty four Margaret didn't look great?

Yeah?

I agree, look like a February dump buddy.

But I know you love your your boy, but in trouble.

Your boy's in trouble.

Yeah, not not loving the choices yet trouble.

What about like use a good director, Emily?

Emily the Criminal was really really good.

I'd want to get part of what that guy does next.

But yeah, the the whole working my way up the family tree for my inheritance, I don't know.

It looked a little Yeah, what was something that came out.

Of Gus Van Santz trailer came out as well, dead Man's Wired?

Did you see that one?

It was okay?

I saw the movie, Okay, Yeah, I've seen the movie.

It's not bad.

I like the trailer.

I thought they did a good job cutting that.

M Okay, yeah, I thought the trailer was good.

Interesting.

I didn't expect it to be what it was about.

And I'm not really sold on Bill scars Guard as a lead yet.

I don't.

I don't know if I'm sold on that.

But I liked him for this something small like this.

So that was the problem I had with the movie.

Oh, I did not think he was up to.

It, right right?

This week turned to Silent Hill.

Did you watch that at all?

Or not?

Okay?

Uh, there must have been there.

There's been so many fucking trailers though, I.

Mean there was.

I thought we talked about it.

But there was a Hunger Games trailer.

I thought we already talked about that one.

There was a Hoppers trailer.

Did we talked about that one.

That looked after that looked good?

No?

I don't think we talked Hoppers look good too.

Okay.

Oh, the moment is the moment that Charlie XCX's movie gonna be like Weekends movie?

Right?

That might be the one thing I see film or TV wise at the weekends involved in because I like Charlie XC.

But you said last week that you don't get her, like, you don't get the interest people have with it.

Yeah, No, I don't, And I don't think that the moment looks particularly good.

It just like it's this vapid navel gazing.

I don't know.

I don't love this new like generation of celebrity.

All right, old guys, you know we know what looked good.

We buried the Dead.

Actually I saw it.

I can tell you.

I like the Daisy really zombie movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw the Tarliast a week and a half ago.

Yeah, you liked it trailer.

I like the second trailer for is This Thing On?

Which plays on the under pressure riff a little bit more?

Such a good film.

Really enjoyed that one.

I really enjoyed it, and I think it's gonna sneak into the best picture.

What about Magellan?

Did you see Magellan at all?

No?

Okay, that trailer?

And about the Scrubs re release trailer, Jeff, Yes.

I didn't watch that one either.

I like, I watched Drubs a little at the start, But I'm not one of these people who followed it for.

You eagle eyed people.

Uh, if you ever watch season two of Scrubs on I think it's on Netflix and one of these show, one of these streaming services.

You might catch John Rocca back there as an extra, depending on the episode, because I was an extra through the entire second season of Scrubs.

So if you want to see.

The outlaw roaming around in the scrubs there at the hospital, feel free to take a look.

We should end our show by talking about this before we get into questions.

Sending your stream lab superjets now we're about to get to them.

Everybody remembers Thanksgiving, sending you love, sending your support for us here Train Dreams discourse.

You wanted to add this to the list, Jeff, what is going on with this Train Dreams?

I heard, I heard you loved it.

I'm a top five right now of only twenty five.

Oh, very easily, very easily.

What you love about this movie?

Like I told you last week, it is a Terrence Malick film that is much more cohesive than the recent Terrence Malick movies.

And I like that.

I like these kind of languid, floating along stuff's happening.

How do I react to it?

And in the end, it's a commentary about taking chances in life, you know, going full progressing, evolving, and yes, you might lose, you might things might not work out, but you've got to keep trying.

And I appreciate that as a message for nowadays, where everyone seems so despondent and overwhelmed by everything that's happening.

From a certain point of view, I thought it was great.

I thought Joel was damn good.

I thought Felicity Jones was excellent in the movie, and William H.

Macy was great.

I do agree it's not a I don't think it's a thing should be nominated his performance because he's in the film for literally five minutes.

But I do But I loved the movie.

I love the direction of pacing, cinematography.

Yeah, it's my it's a beautiful film.

It looks stunning.

But I was just there was no I didn't feel like there was much depth to it.

It felt so service level.

There was nothing for me to chew on.

There was nothing for me to sink my teeth into.

But the discourse, watching the discourse has been kind of wild this week.

Yeah, the discourse has been about arguments over the voiceover, which is Will Patton, the Great Will of patent from labor.

The best part of the movie for me.

I loved his inminding Me of the assassination of Jason James by the Cora Robert Ford.

Okay, when you get the right voiceover person, I don't mind voiceover a movie, and a voice over in a movie for sure.

Some of the angry people were arguing about the title, about the nature of its adaptation, and even they argued about the nick caves at the end of the movie, which didn't bother me.

But I guess what are your thoughts of it?

Yeah?

I didn't like that song.

I mean even Richard Brody was tearing this movie to shreds.

Yeah, I saw that.

Is tweeked about it.

I mean, it's a divisive film.

It could very well wind up with the Best Picture nomination because there are you know, it's fans are passionate about it.

Yeah.

Passion is what gets people a nomination when you put that movie number one or two on your ballot.

Yeah.

But again, there's not gonna be ten nominees, right, It's not a hard ten.

It doesn't have to be.

So I think you're looking at more like eight or nine.

And I just don't see this one making the cut.

I think it's gonna be too divisive.

That Richard Brody said didn't know there was Train's Dreams discourse.

Seeing it in Sundance and again now found it sluggish and trivial.

I couldn't disagree with them.

More baby food, spoon fed, no second level, hardly a first one voice over the best part.

If it had ten times more and three times the pace, could be an okay Best Live Action Short nominee.

Yeah, I really I don't understand that.

I don't and maybe it's just because, you know, like everything else Jeff films are subjective.

For me, I found it to be quite deep.

I enjoyed the pacing of it, and I liked that we got to things.

When we got to things and explored it.

I think I have to enjoy the world, and so you're willing to go along with this character as he goes throughout, you.

Know, like Hamnet and Train Dreams in one Best Picture lineup, I just don't buy it.

But like they're both very quiet, like meditative films, and to me, Hamnet at least has an ending that backs it up.

Train Dreams I was just like, there's just nothing for me to grab onto sorry, all right, what.

Did I wanna?

Don't?

Didn't he didn't.

Some nominations come out this week the might give us a window into where.

Yeah, this time, I'm ready to crap all over that organization.

I'm sorry, you just set me up.

I love people are like, oh, the Critics Choice Association released it's below the line short list, and how could this not be on it?

And this one's Oscar chances are bolstered by it.

I could not tell you no one cares about the Critics Show Awards except for people in the Critics Choice how Dari and plus ones that the talent does not want to be there.

They do not want to take two hundred and fifty selfies with every single critic there.

The academy members don't give a shit what the Critics Choice think.

I'm just looking at these tweets.

It took every fiber of my being not to be like, shut up, nobody cares.

You guys are such never mind go on.

So as a counterpoint and a member of the organization, I will say to you that I think you're utterly wrong on this.

I do think I think people absolutely justly moviegers care what I know.

I know it's I know it's in fashion to say nobody cares what the critics think.

I'm smarter than the critics.

I know about movies, I know what I like.

Yeah, I know it's fair to say that, and people want to say that.

Fine, go ahead and say that.

But the the truth is that there is still there are quite a number of people who look at critics to see like what should I watch, what should I not watch?

What are the best films of the year, and what have you.

And the Critics' Choice Awards are the opening bell in all of this, much more than the HG, which is the organization organization I'm also a part of.

But I think it's the Critics' Choice that kind of launches things.

And then we get into Golden Globes and then we get into the OSCAR.

So it's the beginning of award season and it's about getting excited.

The Gothams were a couple of weeks ago.

So is it the beginning or the Gothams the beginning?

Either not to me, not the Gothams not to me.

But so this is the beginning of the conversation about what should be in the mix, what should not be in the mix.

A lot of our discourse comes from that, like, Okay, what are the first shots across the bow?

Right?

And I do think creatives they may not Okay, I think it's fair to say they some of them may not like being there.

But I haven't met a creative.

I haven't met many a creatives who don't like to get their asses kissed, and so you may not.

They might not like taking the selfies, but they understand the game, and the game is they're going.

To go to get their asses kissed.

Because are no longer critics, they don't do their function anymore.

You're not wrong there, Jeff.

You'll get no complaint from me there.

That's what I want to get at this comment.

Carla Giselle Mosquerra, seven thousand and eight.

At least the critics watch the movies.

You're right on that, Carla.

The critics do watch the movies, and I'm not sure the Academy members do.

However, you say the critics watch the movies.

The critics watch the movies because Netflix bought them a plane ticket flew them from New York to California so that they could see Wake Up Dead Man, Right, So it's just like, yeah, they're seeing the movie, but they're just like, you know, they're being bought and paid for.

Yeah, there is there is a thing happening, and it is driving me nuts.

And I see some of my colleagues do it and people I respect, people I love, which is really hard for me sometimes becoming essentially a second arm of the PR department of the studio for a movie like I saw some critics this week go like, it doesn't matter what what the critics think about Wicked.

It's like, you're a fucking critic and you were saying it it's made a lot of my and it's satisfied to fans and that's what matters.

It's like, what the fuck are you doing?

Why are you playing both sides of this thing?

Stop calling yourself a critic.

If you're going to stump for a movie in that way where you're discounting the responses from other critics to the movie, I think at that point you become an influencer, and so you should stop calling yourself a critic.

You have to be willing to call shit out and accept the fact that other people might not like the movie that you liked.

Discourse is fine.

Becoming a sycophantic PR person for a movie or a creative.

To me drives me nuts because that's not what we're in the business for, at least the foundation of being a critic.

You are not there to kiss the asses of these people no matter what.

You are there to give your honest opinion, honest analysis, and to not be afraid of the reaction of the creatives and the producers in the studios to your comments.

And is afraid because of how the studios and streamers particularly will just revoke the access.

Oh you're not giving us the covers you want, you don't need to be there.

Yeah.

Yeah, And so I think.

The feel i'm subconsciously, Yeah, I'm encouraged to give good reviews and all this kind of stuff.

So I just yeah, the critics see the movies, I just don't believe them when they talk about them.

Yeah, I mean I saw people who got flown to the And that's why I give credit to credit to my brother Michael Wolg.

He's not a critic, but he's on the keek Buddies.

We review films all the time.

He went to the premiere in New York.

He wasn't flown there by the studio.

He went there as an as a guest of one of our friends, and he sat and he gave it honest analysis about Wicked and Wicked for Good and said he was disappointed by it.

But I've seen critics who.

Got flown in to see Wicked for Good and they're just saying, this is the most amazing film now ever.

Critics, reviews don't matter.

This is what Ariana Grande.

Just hander all the awards, you know what, Give Bach an award, whatever the actor's name is, give him an award.

Like it's just madness.

What's going on?

And we're losing the plot because everybody wants to be an influencer slash critic.

You want to have your cake and need it to You can't do it or else change your name or your designation to influencer critic.

You are no longer a movie criticul or a film critic or a TV critic, cure an influencer critic.

And that's all earlier.

It's what you said earlier.

Has become the second arm of the marketing division.

Yea.

I remember when that person who shall not be named with a British accent came to us at Collide or some of us all said listen, we have to stop being negative about these movies and TV shows the studios are Why would they send us their execut their creatives.

If we're going to give our honest opinion on their movies and TV shows, we should just be positive about them.

And I lost my fucking mind at that because I thought that was selling out.

The lost tracked who this job is for.

It's for readers, it's for the audience.

And so that is why Netflix should give us the talent, not because they think we're gonna say good things, but because we have the eyeballs that they're trying to.

Reach, right, And when do the talent become such snowflakes that they're not willing to sit in the pit and go back and forth with people who may not one hundred percent like their work or like what they're doing.

This is what's frustrating to me.

You have to get in the pit to gab a back and forth with people who are intelligent, like you mentioned Richard Brody, who will who have a knowledge of film, who are able to break it down to its core and go back and forth and defend your work.

We've become so soft as a society that these critics pampered by the student protected by the PR departments.

I'm sorry these critics protected by the PR departments won't go on these programs and get and defend their work and get a little back and forth with people about their work.

It is so frustrating, you know.

And it's because critics, you know, the people they look after, the people in the business making the movies that we all love.

You said it on Twitter the other night, like when are people going to stand up and and so that when Donald Trump says, listen, I want Rush Hour four, when is someone like a David Ellison gonna stand up and say, well, you know what, it's not gonna be us.

Right right, it's not gonna be us.

Like you, listen, get the fuck out of here.

This is not your business.

We're not gonna do what you tell us to do.

But everyone, everyone is knee bending nowadays to everything, and.

It critics knee bending to net.

Yes, you know, and that's why when people accuse me of being a shill, that drives me in saying I'm like, I'm one of the few people out here who doesn't care.

I don't live in la I don't see these people every day.

I don't have to fucking worry about it.

I can be honest in my opinions, my analysis and talk about a movie or a TV show.

But it gets so frustrating when people are just when I get lumped in with the other people who are influencer critics.

I'm not saying you can't love a movie.

Love a movie, absolutely, stump for it, no problem.

But when you're becoming sick authentic, when you're becoming a pr on arm of the pr then you've lost your creditb my mind.

You know, with a lot of things.

You know mostly don't have credibility with me to begin with, but whatever.

We you know, I've come around to your point of view on it.

Initially I was very proud to be a credit very crowd.

I am still very much so, but like seeing more and more of my fellow critics, especially at a time when and I get it, people are getting fired, people are getting downsized.

Newer critics are coming in who don't give a fuck about being being a critic, but like being called a critic, but go with it from an influencer mentality where the critic itself is becoming an endangered species.

Influencer critics are now the jungle, but the critic itself is becoming an endangered special anything.

Yeah, no one push it back on it.

The reason you guys got the Baby Booms story this week is because I was tired of holding it.

I felt like I had been respectful to Diane Keaton for or five weeks or whatever, right, and I needed a story to break, and now it's time.

So I just email him.

I'm like, this is happening today.

I don't care if it's if you're ready, I don't care about anything.

And so you have to force the ends you have to take, because no one gives it to you, right you if they know they can trust you, and you're gonna do exactly what they.

Want, right exactly.

Yeah.

When you see when you see scoops happening in the big places, usually it's because they've been handed it by the studio.

Usually.

Yeah.

kJ asked a great question, But do you feel some pressure to give positive view after you accept gifts some studios like lunchboxes.

I don't what I feel the pressure of is do I need to post this on social media because the studio is sending me stuff.

So it's more a matter of a courteous, polite thing.

I didn't ask for any of this the studio.

Like I got a lot of swag, like Hamnet sent me a blanket.

Netflix has sent me all kinds of things.

Prime Video just sent me an advent calendar.

But I haven't posted any of this stuff because I feel inadequate to post it, and nor have they asked me to to be honest and so but I but I, as a courteous, polite person who sends me stuff, I don't know what to do with it.

Do I post it or not?

So yeah, it's an unspoken expectation.

I felt like like because I did used to receive some of that stuff and now I don't anymore, and I think I stopped receiving it because I didn't post it.

Right right, right, right right, Yeah, It's different like like I just got the Downton Abby four K, which is out now, and they sent it to me, and that I don't mind because I like the movie, so I'll say, yes, guys, go get it, blah blah blah.

But like posting the swag, that's just asking for people to go like, well, I don't believe your thoughts on the movie incredibility, right, exactly exactly.

So I have a battle about it all the time, you know, and nothing against anybody who posts their swag, because I get like Wendy and other people, I get it.

But I'm just like on the fence about it all the time because I want to keep that at least level of credibility, you know.

All right, anyway, anything?

Oh?

Yeah, before should we answer some questions, Jeff?

Or do you want to get into things?

We're thankful forty one.

Let's say that for the end, Well say that for the end.

Okay, we're gonna say it for the end.

Let's get these questions.

Everybody sympathy both thinks is Odyssey will be Nolan's most violent R rated film?

Jeff?

Do you agree?

What is his most violent film?

Now?

I don't think he has a violent film?

Oh, the Dark Knight, Batman.

I mean, yeah, I guess it really wouldn't be Insomnia.

Uh, it wouldn't be Tenant, it wouldn't be Oppenheimer.

Dunkirk was violent.

I suppose.

I don't know, but yeah, I'm sure that The Odyssey will involve some violence.

But it's not R rated, is it.

I don't know that it's R rated.

Yeah, I'd be very surprised at them.

He was R rated.

Was was Oppenheimer R rated?

I don't think so.

Uh yeah, I don't know what it was rated, so I don't see it here as a rating.

So it was and Oppenheimer, what's are because there's.

Nudity right right right, nudity god Ford.

In I don't know.

Maybe Enrique maybe too, says Jeff.

I was listening to a podcast with Sean O'Connell and he was convincing people that the Shape of Water was a better film than The Departed.

What the fuck?

Oh, Sean?

I love Sean, he wrote some great books.

Jeff, your thoughts, I mean a crazy opinion.

I mean he's entitled to it.

They're both Best Picture winners.

But having worked on The Departed, I gotta go with the Departed.

I think the Departed is a much more resonant film.

You might be able to argue that Shape of Water, like technically is a better film because I think some of The Departed as a little cheese ball with Nicholson.

But I still couldn't go with Shape of Water over Departed.

I just couldn't.

The highs and Departed are higher than any of the highs in in Shape of Water.

He also said they said The Departed felt like someone trying to make a Scorsese film with bad Boston accents and the bad continuity editing my brain hurt.

Oh that's not that I can't agree with Jesus Christ.

I can't agree with Yeah, great accents.

You're gonna tell me Matt Damon has a bad Boston accent.

Get out of here.

Leo brian O'Neal b Ratner is the most Trump Trumper whoever trumped.

Maybe maybe definitely Cartoon.

The guy got ex communion but from Hollywood, and he saw one opportunity.

He's like, this is my way back in is kissing the ring and he was like, I will do it.

I saw someone posted Zachary Lee, but I immediately called Trump to get him to do Shazam three.

Uh, Cartoon forty nine.

Did you see Paramount twenty twenty six lineup?

It doesn't look good.

I didn't say it's.

Going to be a rough couple of years, the next couple of years for Para.

And that may be why Ellison is so gung ho about getting Warner Brothers, because he's like, we're we're in rough shape here.

Yeah, maybe Uh, Enrico is back, says Jeff.

Do I have this right?

Didn't you HAVEC fighter Brendan Shaw block you on Twitter?

What did you say to him?

Is that true?

No idea?

Who that is?

Wow?

Who is Brendon shab I have.

No idea either.

Dancing a UFC player?

Let me see Brendon named Ronda Rowsey.

I think it looks like a douchebag.

We don't know.

If he blocked you, don't don't go after him, especially a UFC fighter.

Those guys will hit you.

Uh.

Dancing dog sixty?

Why would someone dress up in full costume to sit to watch a film?

Saw a kid in full storm Trooper gear watching the final Star Wars film?

Fun?

Really, dancing dog?

What's wrong with you?

People dress up to watch films and enjoy films, however they I saw a guy wearing a Qui gone gin robe an outfit at a recent Star Wars screening.

Why would that be an issue?

You know?

People love to dress up.

I am blocked, although I can still view out of his posts, So what what?

What does blocking somebody even mean these days?

If I can still see everything that he's saying?

Again, follow or message him Uh, well, that will What a shame.

He didn't tell you why he blockchain.

I don't know who this person is.

I could give two shits about him.

All right, Dan's dark sixty T shirt.

Yes, but full gear there aren't in the movie.

Oh, so what do you say to people who wear jerseys the football games?

Do you say the same thing?

You're not playing on the field.

Why are you wearing a jersey?

That's come on, that's nonsense, Jeff, do you have an issue.

With any of this, with with with wearing what.

Dressing up in?

It's like Star Wars gear to go see a movie of a Star Wars movie.

No, No, that's part of it.

Have fun?

Uh, Fred hasen three to fourteen.

James hasn't felt the effect of the new moviegoer who'd rather see most movies at home.

It's not the same as VHS rentals.

The money is harder to make, that's extent point.

Fred.

He's used to making money hand over fist with his movies, So what would he What would he know about the streaming side of things that a lot of directors seem to run to Jeff anything?

I mean, yeah, you know a lot of these guys are just living in different universes, right, they live in a little bubble.

And again, living in Los Angeles, everyone does go to the movies, right, This is like an exactly right.

Yet everybody does on Friday night and Saturday night, you know, like when I come back to Boston.

That's not how people spend their Friday Saturday night.

It's true, It's very true.

kJ seventy four fifty seven says, please name three dishes that you must have for Thanksgiving Day, and do you prefer sweet potato pie or pumpkin pie.

I don't fuck with either of those pies.

I'm not a big pie guy, but I definitely don't like savory pies and I definitely wouldn't touch either one of those.

I'm like a blueberry or apple pie guy.

Yeah, I'm with Jeff.

I don't truck I don't run with sweet potato pie pump but I do go with peacan pie.

That's my choice on Thanksgiving is peacan pie with whip cream.

Three dishes that you have to have, well, obviously turkey, I would say mashtatoes and gravy and that is one dish and stuffing, Yeah, Jeff.

I haven't.

First of all, I have to go back to the brand shove.

I don't know where it came from.

I did two years ago January twenty three, HA got blocked by Brandon Schobb.

What a little bitch.

Dude isn't even funny, Just another dumbass with a microphone.

So he probably said something racist or anti Semitic or whatever.

I have no idea what he said or why I called him out or why he blogged me.

I don't give a shit anyways.

Next because he's talk about me, like what.

I don't know?

What are your names?

What are your three dishes that you must have on Thanksgiving Day?

Bagel, cereal, and brownies?

You guys don't mean I don't eat turkey.

Turkey's so glosse what what?

Oh?

I don't like it's all like gamey and like no gravy and nope, I've never been a turkey guy.

One year, I choked on a frosted miniwheat at Thanksgiving and I had to go for my aunt.

That was my dinner.

But yeah, even like my brothers in laws know that when they cook and host Thanksgiving, they gotta have a bagel for me.

I love it.

That's dog sixteen.

Theaters need to give people something special they can't get at home.

CinemaScope, Cinerama, VistaVision, all created a battle television back then.

No, this is another thing you gotta have.

Mist division, misd division is the answer.

We just put the mis division back.

Everyone's gonna come back to theaters.

No one again.

Outside of Los Angeles, No one gives a fuck about distavision.

Yeah, no one in the regular world cares about how they see what format they see one battle after another on, or whether it's in seventy milimeters or seventy inches or like what the fuck My brothers don't care about that.

I think Jeff is one hundred percent right on this, and I'll tell you why, because there's only like a limited number of IMAX theaters throughout the whole country.

If this was something the country really wanted, there would be numerous imax theaters like in the fifties, sixties, seventies, hundreds all over the country, and there isn't.

It is remarkable the things that film Twitter will just like talk about for weeks and months and aspect ratios and you're just like, no one gives a shit, bro, It's true.

Massist McCall says, broke.

Are you gonna watch Bring Her Back?

Yes?

I know it's on HBO Max.

I haven't watched it yet.

My second favorite movie of twenty twenty five, Jeff, Your sister Beth Snyder said that you're having Ribbi steak not to even.

Add Ribbi steak is does Ribbi have a bone in it?

You can get bone in Ribbi, and you can't get Ribby without a bone.

I don't need anything with bones.

I eat meat.

I'm not a vegan or anything like that, but I can't look down on my plate and see a skeleton.

Oh wow, Well, no, you never had, John, I've never had wings.

You know, wings?

Wow?

Jeff?

All right, we all got our things.

Enrique back saying Steve kraw Baby when remake equals Kramer versus Kramer?

Okay, fair enough, Mahada says.

M Johanna says, what did you think of C two?

I haven't seen it yet, Chef.

Do you see CSU two this weekend?

Yeah?

I did.

I saw it right before I left LA.

I liked it.

It was not as good as the first movie.

It felt like it was very much kind of paint by numbers delivered what I wanted.

I mean, you buy the ticket for a reason, and it delivered on that promise, but it wasn't as visceral or as as exciting as the first movie.

Okay, Blue XC twenty three says it's actually funny that most Star Wars films aren't good and fans still want more of it.

Well, it's funny you live in the eternal hope, that's what it is.

Yeah, chasing that dragon.

Lee moved By thirty three says who should get out of director jail?

Just rewatched Chronicle and would love to see Josh Shrank at another chance.

With the original IP Jeff, I agree.

It's been a was since we've seen since that Josh failure, so it should be time for him to do another one, don't you think.

I think he.

Actually did do something recently, like something really small.

Uh.

I loved Chronicle.

Yeah, Fantastic Four, he was in way over his head and he was not in a good place.

Uh.

The Fonzo movie with Tom Hardy, I mean that's just not having a budget really to make you know that movie the way it should have been.

I was disappointing as well.

But yeah, Josh s Trak is absolutely one of those guys who I'd be down to see another movie from I'd be down to see another movie from Richard Kelly, even though he's one for three in my book.

Yeah, I mean he's an easy answer, and an easy answer.

Frank Darabahn is my answer.

I'd like to see Frank come back.

He is getting out tonight, baby, Yeah, getting out tonight.

Stranger things, that's right, Stranger things, that's right.

But I mean, like, you know, theatrical Yes, And I'd love Terry Gilliam to do another I mean, Terry made some of the most insane interesting films.

Yes, they weren't always box office successes, but I thought they were phenomenous, like interesting, fascinating, and so I'd love to see him.

And streaming seems like the perfect place for Terry Gilliam to do a movie.

On Terry Gilliam.

But like, there's a whole bunch of female directors who are older and like fast aside, Like they were total trailblazers and groundbreaking, and they've been cast aside in favor of you know, all the hot young or female directors these days, Like where's Amy Heckerling's next movie?

Is?

The director of fucking Clueless?

Right, didn't she also movie.

Oh Penelope Sparris did what fast times?

Right?

Wan's Wayne's World?

She didn't do it fast Oh Wayne's World?

Sorry, but yeah, Pinelo's Yours is another one, Martha Coolis.

There's just so many of those women who were making movies in the eighties and nineties, and seems like the only one who gets to make them anymore is Captain Bigelow, right, exactly, all.

Right, Let's see what else have we got?

Oh h Dcell zero nine seventy eight.

We need more Thanksgiving movies.

Damn it, there's only planes and trains.

There are others, There are others home for the holidays.

Yeah, hopeful.

I was gonna say hopeful the holidays as well, but I agree there should be more.

Brian Underscore zero O'Neil says Brady Noon for Fairs, Bueler's son in the sequel.

I don't know who Brady Moon is, so.

I love breeding Neon.

He's the kid from Blockers and the Mighty Ducks TV show.

But you could probably get somebody with a little bit more cultural cache, a little bit of a name, probably somebody better looking, right, I mean he'd be great.

I think he'd be really good.

But yeah, probably not who they'd go for.

Yeah, Derek Johnson, Thank you, Derek coming in with a massive donation.

Thank you, Derek.

So someone told me the last show Jeff was starving.

Just happen to catch you live.

Hope this Jeff gets Jeff a good meal.

Yeah, I'm starving.

I got two chins here.

Thank you very much, Derek.

Happy Thanksgiving to you.

We are very grateful.

We should obviously say that since it's Thanksgiving, we're very grateful for you and viewers like you and everybody want watching, of course, but the ones who pony up.

Yeah, I agree, appreciate the cell zero lines seven answers what eighties movies would be perfect for a remake or reboot?

My pick would be War Games.

Oh that's a big I mean, do we want to do any eighties a digital seem to work out?

Uh?

I think.

I think there's plenty of eighties properties that you can remake or reboot.

Three Men and a Baby would you reboot that?

Yes?

I mean we're about to get like Gremlins.

There's gonna be more goonies, you know.

I think a movie like The Great Outdoors would be interesting with everybody, just like Glue to their screens these days.

Could you do something interesting with that premise?

Yeah?

You know what could be interesting?

Down Dressed to kill ooh the DePalma film.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do something interesting with that.

He is sexy fucking movie that is Big Tub and Little China could remake that.

I imagine Flash Gordon seems due for a remake for God's sake, so a reboot rather so Yeah, I could see that.

All right, let's move on to this dancing dog.

Glenn palaceh to stick to supporting roles.

No, wouldn't now, a supporting role wouldn't kill him.

I'd like to see him in an ensemble driven thing where he maybe has a smaller role, almost like remember The Gentleman and Colin Farrell shows up.

That was great, Just like an interesting, quirky character turn like that, where he'd be a little bit different.

But I agree, yeah, he should not stick to supporting roles.

He's a movie star.

Yeah, Dancing dog six Yail says, hear me out.

Scarlett should remake die Hard does action well, she can play a cop having marital problems.

Looks great at a tank top.

This is a winner.

I mean, I'm not saying no to that, Jeff, you are I am.

There are a few movies you don't gender swap, and die Hard is one of them.

John, there's John fucking MacLean.

There's no fucking Jenny McLain.

No, I don't need to see.

First of all, I didn't I didn't buy Scarlet Johnson at all in the Drafts World.

I thought she was like the weaklink of the movie.

She was bad with like carrying around a big gun.

Sure, dialogue sounded for incredibly forced.

No, this is a bad idea.

I do not want to see that.

I need a man as in the Diehard reboot.

Yeah, Scartland is one of those that you can see through when she's not fully dialed in.

She's one of those actresses that you could have an actor or superior that you can see through when they're not fully dialed into a role.

But when she is, she's great.

But when she isn't, it's so obvious.

Uh.

I agree, all right?

Uh?

And Thro's back saying where the hell is Stepa Shemy he should get all the roles that William H.

Macy is getting.

Reservoir Fargo Walk Lebowski, Hello, fellow kids.

He's he's a great character actor.

I mean, I don't know where he is or what he's up to.

He obviously popped up in the studio.

You know, with guys at this age, you always have to particularly guys like him who spent a lot of time around ground zero.

Oh yeah, right, that's right.

You have to work about health.

Yeah, former firefighters.

Not to say that you know that that step Ashmy's unwell or anything's going on with him, but sometimes when people disappear for a while, that is what's going on.

You just got aggregated for that.

Well he is.

He was in He's a voice of the character in the recent Star Wars Visions.

He did eight episodes of Wednesday for the second season.

Oh, I didn't realize that he was in Happy Gilmour too.

He did four episodes of Poker Faced voiceover.

I remember him in that did that Animal Farm film that nobody saw the studio they said the episode.

He was the voice in Transformers one, an animated film from life.

This is you know, there's a you're seeing the pattern here, right, Yeah?

Yeah, why can't we get Steve A.

Shami on camera and poker Face Now he's just gonna be being a truck like a truck voice like.

It could also be that he made his money man, and he is just like happy fucking just doing little things when he wants to.

And he doesn't have to go and be on screen all the time because you couldn't avoid him in the nineties and early two thousands.

Yeah, Masters, mcaul says, how do you get in Critics' Choice?

I want the app access while you work at it.

You do a bunch of reviews, you make connections, and you uh get selected and you apply.

That's how it works, medicines from a call.

Like anything else in life, You've got to work for it, apply, do good work and hopefully get approved.

There you go, uh irie hu who and I see you're just thinking of the benefits like they're just handing him out like candy.

No, that's not how it works, irie Hunam says, sending gratitude and appreciation from Iotora, New Zealand, love your work, Thank you New Zealand Chests.

He pronounced that, then, that's the most impressive I've been this episode with you.

If you just nailed the pronunciation of that place on the first try, I will tip this gap to you.

I'd be surprised if I did it.

Although I do watch a lot of New Zealand contact because my lady lived in New Zealand for two years.

But yeah, i'd be surprised if I got that.

I'm unfamiliar with New Zealand.

Tell me if he nailed that, because if he did, I'll be very impressed.

I at ao tr before.

I know you have me thinking about it now?

Yeah?

Confidence right?

Uh following?

Yes, Yeah, it's a good movie.

I like that movie.

It's not his best word, but I like it.

Debut, Yes, he says.

What can I say?

I'm cranky.

Yeah.

We'd never wear a grown man's name on my back.

Jerseys are for kids in my opinion, I love you guys.

Though some people have that point of view.

It's a weird point of view to me, like, how do you express your love of something?

You know you're fandom of something.

It's a way of showing people.

I mean, it's a little weird.

I think to maybe have a younger man's name on my back.

But wait, you wouldn't get a Drake May jersey, you lying son of a bitch.

You would absolutely get a Drake Made jersey.

Fuck it old that I would.

I don't know that I'd get like a Jason Tatum or or a Jalen Brown jersey.

But I I don't feel weird having like Larry Bird on my back because I love Larry Bird.

Right right, he's of your generation, right, I agree with that.

Uh.

Dan Hoffer says, can't join live people putting calls at two pm before Thanksgiving, sending lots of love to you fellas, Thank you, Dennis, love the new haircut, bro.

Look at that.

Took it off the top, letle off the top.

H They got to remake the Warriors.

At some points say is Dancing Dog sixty not.

A bad idea?

Yeah?

I could see that happening.

Especially because gang culture has kind of changed a lot.

So and Rique also says, I think Brendan shab said Life of Chuck was the best Stephen King or Shape of Water is better than the Oh.

I think this person is just rolling us now at this point.

Yeah, probably yeah, Life of Chuck, Jesus Christ.

Robert Sanchez is.

Katherin Kenny is still leaving Lucasfilm in January.

As far as I know there, But ultimately, Kathleen Kenny's going to leave whenever the fuck she wants, not when I say not when anyone else tells her to.

That's true one hundred percent.

Kay LJ Films one says, John, are you liking Ghosts of Yo Tay?

Great game?

Yes, I was up till two am the last two nights playing the game.

I gotta stop because it's now getting good.

It took a little while to get into the game.

Now that we're getting into the story stuff, now I'm fucking crazy and grossed, so I have to limit my time on it.

But yeah, highly recommended, and I think it's discount on Black Friday for anybody wants to get it.

Mister g movie or is you are correct?

Late Brady Newton is the kid from Good Boys, not Blockers.

I don't know why I was confusing the two of them.

So Paul Hitchcock's his thoughts on Max landis not looking for a dogpile.

But as we're talking about who should get out of Hollywood jail, Carrie us on your thoughts about him, Jeff, you're kind of sweeto Max Lander's do you agree on this?

I do like Max.

I've actually invited him on this show before.

I mean, this is the hot mic like kind of the perfect space for Max landis to discuss what's been going on with him.

But you know what he still creates.

He still writes.

I admire that because even though you know, the industry may have turned its back on him, like, he doesn't care, right, It's like, Hey, this is what I do, this is who I am.

I'm a writer.

I'm going to keep writing shit, and you know, maybe people will turn around on me.

You know, I didn't know Maxwell enough in our twenties when our paths would cross a little more often, to the extent that like I would know, you know, the truthfulness of all the accusations and allegations been leveled against him, other than you know, I think when you're a young, famous guy with access to a lot of money, you know, it brings out a lot of people around you, and I think you can indulge like you indulge in maybe the worst impulses that you have.

I just don't think everything you should be judged by, you know, how you behaved in your twenties, And I see a guy who has matured a lot and done the work.

Just Devin Faracci has from quite frankly.

Fair point and Max, if he does watch the show, we'd love to have him on the show, you know, have a little back and forth and talk about this stuff.

Why not come on?

As I said, creatives got to get in the pit.

You gotta get in the pit.

There's nothing wrong with it, all right?

Since just Streamlin Samiel says, thoughts on Knives Out three of you see it?

I watch it tonight, so excited.

Yeah, I haven't seen it yet, Jeff, have you which one Knives Out three?

No, I haven't seen it all right, looking forward to it.

I have it on the app, so I'm gonna watch it on the app.

Beto Power.

I wouldn't count Rush Our out.

It is one of the most popular franchises on social media.

I think people are eager to watch a movie full of stereotypes and ignorant tropes.

Don't be surprised if its success slow down, baby, Uh No, I would be very surprised if it's a success and people liking something and people going to see a new version of it or two different.

Things, right exactly, Like, I could see people liking it, but I just don't think it will be enough people right right.

Grand Ham Call says all off from Spain.

Hey, this is the first time I've caught your show by pure chance, and I just wanted to say and contribute a little bit, spend it wisely, appreciate your hard work.

Gentlemen.

Ave assos, which means hugs in Spanish.

Got anything Spanish to say to this man?

Uh?

No, that was Spanish, by the way, it was.

Samuel says, since its Thanksgiving?

What movies that have come out this year?

Are you thankful for the movies?

I'm thanking for Sinners, One Battle after Another, Weapons, Superman and Del Toro's Frankenstein.

Well we'll we'll get into that after the questions and give thanks for a few things before.

We put a pin on that Samo.

Chris says, Hey, guys, did you see the Rmady team comedy Glenn Poal and Dan Cohen's Barnstorm sold to Paramount?

Is that mean Paramount wants to keep him on the team despite running Man's performance?

See about Uh people were putting the fault of the movie on Edgar Wright, not on Glenn Powell.

Jeff, does that indicate to you that they want to stay in business with Glen Powell?

I mean yeah, I think that they do want to stay in business with Glen Pale.

I think everybody wants to be in business with Glenn Powell just because he, you know, chose the Running Man instead of wanting to be Jonathan Bailey's role in Jurassic World.

I think he made the right choice.

You have to take a risk as a movie star.

He can't just take the safe choice.

So I can't blame him for doing Running Man.

Yeah, I blame Edgar Wright for not bringing enough Edgar wrightness to it.

And yeah, he'd already played second fiddle to Daisy in Twisters, so maybe he was like, I don't want to be lost in these kinds of stereotype that typecast, these kinds of roles.

I want to lead.

That's the question is does does Glenn go back to Twisters?

Does he push for a sequel to that movie?

I mean, yeah, it wasn't a home run, but it was a solid double at least.

Yeah, yeah, I would say so, Dominie, Jeff John Canollywood stop making Joe Alwin the next thing?

He is never going to happen.

He's terrible in every movie he does for five minutes to ten minutes.

The only reason he gets roles was because he's Taylor swift ex boyfriend.

That's it.

That's utterly horsh wild.

Yeah, no one gives a shit about tailor him being Taylor Swift's ex boyfriend.

All you people in the Taylor Swift bubble give a shit about that.

Nobody else gives a shit about that.

You.

That is such a crazy comment.

I think, Joe alwen, I'm I'll be with you.

I mean, okay, fine, he's never gonna happen as a lead, but he could be a fine working actor.

I mean, he was in The Brutalist and he did a damn good job, right.

I thought he's damn good.

Hamlet so he plays a he plays a what's her Face's brother, so yeah, Buckley's brother.

Yeah, and you're not double with him because he's about to be in ham Let, a movie that is coming out.

He's playing Lairties with Riz Ahmed, so I imagine that's a British production.

But yeah, I like Joe as an actor.

I'll give a fuck because listen, I'm not one of these people that's on the train and the Taylor Swift is a victim in all her relationships.

You excuse me, but I don't believe that in any way, shape or form.

It takes two to fuck up a relationship.

And all the swift Aes and the swift Heads who think she's untouchable and everything she says is gold need to wake the fuck up.

She's a human being, you know.

Could someone even unpack that though?

So it's like, so you think that in the cat Like in the casting director and the director are tied.

They're like, well, what about that guy who was Taylor Swift's ex boyfriend?

Who we get him because the Taylor Swift fans are going to show up to support her ex boyfriend?

Like what, No, there's the logic in this.

The Taylor swift Heads hate him as soon as they're all they go after him all the time.

It's so ridiculous.

You'd rather cast if you're gonna cast a Swifties to get them to watch you crass Travis Kelce, you wouldn't catch Joe all.

Yeah, it makes no sense.

Emiejeff and John, do you have any updates on Taylor's movie from Searchlight Pictures?

Love the show?

By the way, thank you, Heviley.

I'm sorry if you're a swift Head, we hurt your feelings, but I don't think about it.

I don't have any other updates other than what I last reported, which was Alice Birch.

We wrote the script, even though search Slight swore they didn't, even though my sources were like, I'm holding it in my hand, I'm reading it right now.

So thanks search Light.

There you go.

A Skywalker says, I'm thankful for the hot mic on this day.

Happy holidays, Jeff and John, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Yeah.

Uh.

Samuel says, saw Megalopolis for the first time yesterday.

What the hell was that?

I almost stopped watching the movie?

FFC is a legend Hall of Famer, but some great director can't be as great as Spielberg's Coise.

Oh, Francis fort Copple is a legendary Hall of Fame director.

But some directors just can't be as great as Spielberg or Scorsese.

And they're older ages, which are the once great directors that need to hang it up.

Probably Michael Mann if he too doesn't fucking work out.

I'll tell you that right now.

Uh, directors who need to hang it up.

Yeah, like legendary directors who need to hang it up.

I'm not a big fan.

I don't think any legendary directors need to hang it up.

You don't think cople I should stop making movies friands for Copla.

No, okay, all right, fair point.

You never know what can happen.

Uh, all right, that's that one and then one last super chat Uh or two of them, actually, Eriie human says pronounce uh a tudora like an Hispanic word.

Vowels or similar roles are So maybe.

That's why I said it right the first time, Jeff, because I speak Spanish.

So at Theodora I did all I is what I would say it.

Uh, thank you, Erie Hunem.

I appreciate it.

We appreciate you.

Brandon be twenty three one at night.

I'm excited to see Never return.

I see Nev Campbell return the Scream.

I always felt she should have more control than the franchise.

If they do a few more films, they could have a saying being one of the top horror franchises ever.

Jeff, I would argue they still are there already are wouldn't you.

Yeah, definitely one of the biggest core franchises ever.

I mean, got ghost faces up there with you know, Freddy and Jason.

These days, there's a lot of you know, horror icons that have emerged in the last few decades.

You've got ghost Face, You've got Terrifire.

Might be a couple more, but that's it, and I'm excited to see her return as well as a big screen guy.

Uh.

I think that these movies are about Sidney Prescott.

When they've hear from that, they're not very good.

There you go.

All right, that was the last super set, So let's get into things we should be thankful.

We are thankful for here as we wrap up the show.

Brother all right, Johnny, I'm grateful for you, my co hosts, and for our loyal viewers who have stuck with us over the years.

Yes, I'm thankful for So we are doing this on FYC tomorrow, so I'm not gonna repeat myself.

Okay, I'm thankful for Night Call.

Okay, is that movie that was on Hulu about a black locksmith who opens the wrong door, And that's one of my three things.

I'm gonna go with Sketch.

Oh yeah, good movie Sketch.

And just like the kids in that movie, they were very very well cast.

We showed a lot of creativity.

Uh.

And then for my third film, I'm gonna go with pony Boy.

I really think the river Gallo impressed the hell at me with pony Boy Dylan O'Brien, I thought was great.

We've talked about the O'Briens sance that I think is upon us, so uh yeah, those are some of the things that I was grateful for this year at the movies and tune into Flight Speed tomorrow morning for a few more John, what about you?

Yeah, I'm grateful for Yeah, grateful for you as well, Brother.

Love doing the show with you, you know, even when we battle, and still enjoy doing the show with you.

It's one I think.

I love the purity of our show and the approach we have to the show, So I'll always be grateful for it.

Grateful to everybody well, thankful brother, Grateful and thankful for everybody who follows and watches and the new people we've picked up over the last year.

Since last thanksgiving all the stream lab and the super TETs you guys sit in every week to support the show means so much to me.

Thankfu for my lady seven years now, seven and a half years.

Whoever saw that coming?

So I come home to a happy home.

We got our Christmas free yesterday.

I'm very thankful for that, and I'm Thankful for all the people who subscribe to the channel and enjoy all the content, lead really great comments, thought provoking comments on all this stuff.

Movies wise, I'm not going to be as cool as Jeff and throw down a bunch of indie films, all the big ones, you know.

I'm thankful for one battle after another for sure, Thankful weapons centers, Thankful for the discourse around these films.

Thankful for the critics who make us think about these films and how to approach them and what have you.

And I'm thankful for a lot of the streaming services.

I know it's not in fashion to say that, but I see so much content on the British streamers that I have acorn at BritBox TV.

There's so much interesting TV shows and movies that I see on their paramount.

Plus with the Star Trek stuff that they're doing, and some of the documentaries like the recent one Don't Date Brandon.

Netflix has a lot of great documentaries that are out there.

I just enjoyed the one about the murders in New England that did the auto just a kid kill his mom and his grandfather or not.

That's a phenomenal documentary, and so.

There's so much what's that one called, oh, the Barman Murders or something like that.

The Carmen Family.

Yeah, that's it, The Carmen Murders.

It's an hour and a half and it's great.

I really I had planned to watch that on the flight home, and then obviously my travel plans got all messed up to that end though, John, First of all, you make me look bad.

No, I'm just picked independent films.

I'm grateful to my I've met with the lady.

I'm grateful to my for my lady as well.

I'm grateful for AMC A lists because really, plice of seeing a movie in LA is prohibitive.

I see, like just any if I haven't even even an inkling of wanting to see something, I go see it now thanks to mt A list, a program that I resisted for a while, like just too long, because I was really big on like paying for movies.

Uh well yeah, AMC is just it's fantastic and the convenience of it and being able to make reservations for your friends and to insul five minutes before love it.

Grateful for all the Insider subscribers as well.

I just want to throw it one out there.

And so if you're watching and you know you want to buy yourself a gift for the holidays or a gift for a movie lover in your life, get a subscription to the Insider, and if you need a discount, let me know.

The discount code this week is Turkey.

There you go, Turkey.

And to everybody who has stayed, who has been with us from the beginning or has been with us for a long time, I really thank you guys, because you guys are the foundation of our show.

Coming back every week, people like Karen coming back every week Salvation to talk about all this kind of stuff that's instrum a call all of them.

Give a lot of love to the regulars here as well.

We love you all madly.

All right, Well, that's it for us.

Take care of yourselves, be well, be safe.

Remember holiday season can be crazy out there with the driving and drinking, and also be safe to carre of yourselves, enjoy your friends and family, Try really hard not to get upset about any of the issues that will come up around that Thanksgiving table, and try to remember that it's about appreciating your family members who are still alive, because you know, you never know what can happen when they pass on, and how you feel about that, what was left unset or unresolved.

So please remember that this weekend, Jeff, anything more you want to say as we wrap up will be good.

That's it.

Have a happy Thanksgiving folks.

You're the best.

Thanks for watching you guys.

We'll talk to you next time with other brand new live episode here of the HOPMC piece.

Until then,