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All right, respect man, respect Well, we are going live today because we've got so much to talk about in the world of entertainment.

There's some stuff going on on the Marvel side, some Star Wars stuff, some new trailers, some stuff on Jordan Peel here that Jeff wrote a really interesting column about, like where does he go next?

Also the questions about is Hollywood playing it too safe?

And some other stuff going on in terms of trailers and casting announcements and movie release dates and stuff like that.

So we've got a lot to get into.

Jeff, what are you in the mood for to start here on this Friday?

To kick off the show here?

Oh oh, and he's frozen?

Okay?

Perfect perfect time, perfect time?

Which was all right?

Which one do you want to start with?

What do you feel?

Whatever you want?

I don't care.

All right, let's start with you eating your words.

Jimmy Kimmel is back, ladies and gentlemen, that's right, Jimmy Kimmel is back.

And much to jeff chagrin, Trump waited and said, yes, I was all involved in it, and I'm gonna do it again.

So, Jeff, are you ready to back up your conclaims?

Are you ready to take that any of that.

Didn't say any of that.

And if you looked, if you listened to the Town podcast where he had Eric Gardner on Eric all just noise, This was all noise.

Gardner former ag right.

Used to run thhr Esquire, he's all right, okay, a legally minded reporter got you.

And dude, just because like Trump like takes credit for something, doesn't like this guy, like he's a liar when everybody wants him to be a liar.

But then he tells the truth when people want him to tell.

Like I've never known him to tell the truth of.

No idea that he was being suspended until the moment you and I knew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, either way.

He's backs as you predicted.

His ratings are through the roof six point three million for the return and all of that.

Sounds like the thing that ever happened to Jimmy Kimmel.

Huh.

And he has not pulled any punches, which I was afraid that he would do, but he hasn't, So I have to appreciate and respect that and whatever the reasons were behind the scenes.

And I do think, obviously because I think a lot of very intelligent attorneys and people who had experienced with the government have weighed in on this all week that it was done at the behest of Trump, but in the end it's almost like it blow up in his face to even try to do something now.

And so we'll see, we'll see what happens down the road.

But like those boring story, it's like there was no Jimmy Kimmel for four days in the world melted down.

But it wasn't it was it wasn't even about that.

It was about when it symbolized, you know, there wasn't It wasn't that people were like, we need Jimmy back.

It was more a matter of like the free speech aspect of it all.

But the idea that they're like throwing people in gulags, you know, for for free speech, that's not what's happening here.

There's no attack on free speech.

Not yet.

But yes, they are throwing people in gulags.

Though don't don't don't miss misrepresent that that is happening.

But going along with this, Jeff, we had the savant being pulled or delayed by right, this.

Is another let's talk about it, like did they do it to appease Trump?

Like Trump doesn't know what The Savant is.

Oh, it's for sure he does not what is.

And that's what I'm talking about, people getting just carried away and assigning blame to this guy, Like this guy's not a good president, not a good guy.

No one's arguing that, but caw just like blame him for every fucking thing that happens in our lives.

Well, this is why I put this as the initial title of the of the episode.

Is Hollywood playing it too safe?

Man?

Because you're seeing all of this stuff happening.

People are pulling things, people are sidelining night late night hosts, people are delaying these I mean, is task gonna be next?

That's you know, that's that's a that's a show that's dealing with white supremacy.

Is that the next thing that's gonna do?

All these companies are acting in their own self interest on This has nothing to do with Donald Trump.

This has to do with the political temperature in this country right That's we're asking Charlie kirk And is smart to put a show like The Savant out on television right now?

I don't think there's no need for it to come out this weekend?

Okay, there was no one hundred million dollar marketing global marketing campaign like there is for a Mixed Impossible movie.

So there's no problem if they're like, you know what, We're gonna hold this for a month or three and drop it in January.

It's the same eemy cycle.

Nothing changest, you know.

And having seen this avante which is not that yeah crazy, like it's kind of it should have been a lot crazier quite frankly.

Yeah.

Well, just to give a background for people who don't know about the show, and I think Jeff's making an excellent point, it has not been promoted that hard It's about Jessica Chastain who explores extremism these groups.

She goes undercover to explore these groups and discover extremism.

But as Jeff said, because I've seen a few episodes, it is not as hardcore as like The Order or these other films that or the shows that have come out that explore the extremism much more deeply.

So to me, even Apple.

Right, yeah, Apple hates controversy.

They don't pick up controversial scripts or edgy scripts or anything like that.

So like this is Apple's take on an edgy show.

If this was anywhere else, it would be ten times worse.

Yeah, what I mean ten times the reaction or the material the material.

The material would be ten times more intense, and it would be much more intense.

I didn't love I didn't love the show.

I don't even give a shit about like talking about it because quite frankly, I have not received any notification that the embargo changed.

Oh okay, right.

Apple may have made that clear to other people, right, But the agreement that I made and watching the show was embargo lifts of September twenty six.

Yeah, so you know, I thought the show.

I thought it was a great idea, but it was underwhelming and I don't know what anyone is freaking out about, Like there would have been no problem putting it out this weekend.

But at the same time, I also understand, like, if you don't have to do it, then why And it's not a free speech being restricted or people cow telling the Trump.

Yeah, I never thought it was about Trump.

I just think it's more about Hollywood being scared and I'm getting a little tired of that now.

I get your point.

Of course, the business they got to read the room, you know, take where's the wind blowing?

And the temperature and all of that, but you also gotta have gotta be a gotta have a little bit of stones here and put stuff out and stop thinking we're all such sensitive little pussies.

Like I just really get tired of that.

Man.

We can handle it.

We've lived through COVID, we live through world wars, We've lived through all kinds of shit.

A million can handle this, you know, a million times on time.

And then they delayed the episode of Law and Order for a week.

Yeah right, yeah, yeah, No, like that's all that this is.

It's just another one of those.

So frustrating though, man, I mean, just stand by your shit, don't be We're okay, we can fucking handle it.

I just hate that one side is like we need to tough it up, and the other side is like we need to be more sensitive, and then Hollywood pull stuff and it's like why are they pulling stuff?

And it's like, just put it out there, let it stand on its own.

But I get it, business decisions wise, you don't want to get the backlash blah blah blah.

But I just think we're tougher than people think, and it's a little frustrating to see they always err on the side of fear and worry and concern and all of that.

It's about toughness.

It's about we are as tough as you know people think or whatever, but we're also as stupid as people think.

Well, there, we're going to watch the savant either side with the savant and start to try to infiltrate extremist groups and God and put themselves in danger, and god knows how many other people going to be say, like, you know what, I agree with these extremist groups, and they're trying to imitate them, So I agree, let's like let the political temperature cool down right now.

I saw no problem move.

I thought it was a little silly, just because again I didn't think that the show was like actually going to inspire anybody to do anything except probably turn it off.

Yeah, But and.

I also had no problem with it.

So everyone decrying again free speech, right, I'm just like you guys, have no idea what you're talking about.

I did not see the free speech argument around it.

And if it did happen that, I'm on your on your page as well.

Like for me, it's more a matter of the toughness that we can handle stuff, not don't take away free you or don't take away our ability to put this stuff out that because it deals with extremism.

I'm more of a place of like, guys, we can handle it, we can handle it, We're okay as a bubblic But I take your point.

There are some people that are a little unstable, especially hearing you know, the what we've seen recently from the to Charlie Kirk assassination, but also recently what happened in Dallas.

There are a lot of unstable people out there that might, you know, take us a queue from anything to do something.

But you know, I guess you're right, not right, but I see your point.

That's your point.

All right, Well let's move on to this.

Jeff, what are your thoughts on this.

We had some new reporting over there from Deadline that didn't even move is going to wait to start production on a after doing three on his new James Bond.

That's no surprise, but that they are looking at someone who's essentially an unknown, a fresh face, and who is a brit in his twenties and thirties.

So anything new, anything shocking here, And this rules out like ninety nine percent of the people that we'd heard about earlier in the week or earlier in the last few weeks.

But but also, you know, like opens it up to ninety nine percent of people.

I feel like, I think, I think you can.

I mean, you can take this whole report with a grain of salt.

I love Baz, Yeah, good good reporter at deadline and obviously has his finger on the pulse of the Bond franchise.

But that was when the Bond franchise was controlled by you know, Broccoli and Wilson, right right.

The franchise isn't being quarterbacked out of London anymore.

It's being quarterbacked out of Culver City, right.

So I just don't think that Baz is going to be the one to break anything to Major unless they like literally seek him out, because he's sort of been the keeper of the flame.

Uh.

You know, Bond's gonna be an unknown.

Bond has almost always been an unknown, like largely.

Right, except for Pierce, I would say, yeah.

Right exactly.

He was definitely like the best known yeah, or you know, somebody with like a couple of acting credits.

Uh, So that didn't surprise me.

The fact it's gonna be a brit doesn't surprise me, you know, like they they should try to keep tradition, and I never liked any like Aaron Taylor Johnson and Jacob Alardi like like find me the footage where I was like, that's a good idea.

Uh, you know.

The only thing that surprised me, Well, it didn't surprise me, but that they said twenty twenty seven shoot and eight release.

I suppose that makes sense.

I know, if they could maybe try to get it started at some point like next year, but I guess not.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense right.

I mean, he wants to focus on Doune three and finish that out correctly and then turn his attention.

But it also doesn't mean that he's not going to be working on stuff could related to Bond behind the scenes.

I mean, like Stephen Knight has to wait to submit a draft.

I'm sure there's going to be time to look at all of that stuff.

But it like where they start ranching up production is probably as he said after Doom three.

But but is this a possible new future column from you where you now look at these possibilities for Bond, like now start looking at younger actors who are Brits, maybe exposing yourself a little bit more to seeing some other candidates that you maybe had not thought of before.

I mean I have thought it, like, could I actually go through all like the shows on television right now?

You know it's gonna be well, I guess it could be a guy who's been in a couple of movies, but it's probably someone who's like in some British TV show.

Do I think I could identify some some decent names that probably haven't been out there.

Yeah, But again, it's so the reason saying take this with the grain of salt is because it's so early.

They're not they're not at that process yet.

And so when I saw the story initially, I was just like, this is just trying to squeeze blood from a stone, like there's nothing daylight now.

It's basically like just like an editor being like, hey, do we have anything on Bond, like any updates, and they're like, not really, but I'll come up with something.

Give me a second, Give me a second.

I think the people at the other trades are skeptical about some of the other information in that story.

Oh okay, all right, all right, fair point, all right, So we'll see what happens with that, and as you said, it's gonna be a little while before we get a little news on that.

What about this stuff, man, DiCaprio and Scorsese teaming back up again.

This broke just as we're finishing out our episode earlier this week.

But it's his teaming here with Jennifer Lawrence.

Finally, Jennifer for stepping back up to play with the big boys here.

I have to doing some indie stuff and some some of the comedy and smaller stuff, but now they're going to be coming together for this film What Happens at Night, And DiCaprio has said that he's excited to be paving the way to get back with Scorsese, and Scorsese has just recently praised one battle after another.

So what do you take away from this story, Jeff?

What's what's the what's to focus on here?

This one both surprised me and didn't surprise me because we had all these other projects lined up.

None of them did I ever feel was like real, like I've been saying for months, like the Hawaii thing, Yeah, like I really think that's gonna happen.

So it didn't surprise me that that they wound up doing something completely different.

They did surprise me that it's this project.

So I just ordered the book.

It landed in my mailbox yesterday as I was going back to Boston, So I do plan to read it soon because I love Shutter Island.

I read Shutter Island before that was announced as a movie.

Okay, then when I was, you know, a development intern when I first moved to LA I tried to get people to make a movie out of Shutter Island.

So I think this is like the closest thing to that from Marty and Leo lately.

I like the idea of him working with Jennifer Lawrence.

Yeah, I do too.

Yeah, they're a good pairing.

I mean there is a bit of an age difference obviously, Yeah, but I can still see them as a couple.

Well, she's played older right in like American Hustle.

The character is supposed to be older than that, right, she still was able to convey that energy and get an Oscar nomination it.

So yeah, I like the idea of Scorsese doing like a ghost story.

I mean, genre is obviously very hot right now.

We've seen him do crime stories and stuff like that.

Like, yeah, I think this is be a welcome change of pace, A nice turned to that territory for Marty specifically.

I mean, he's going to have the creative control he wants, you know, being at Apple.

I I like it, and and you know, just just to piggyback on this because it's about Leo and what we were talking about earlier with the our movies playing it safe anymore.

This like, yes, they are in general, but this weekend brings the release of a movie that doesn't play it safe.

Which is one battle after another.

Yeah, did you see it?

I know I'm saying it right after we're done with the show.

Oh okay, okay, yeah, yeah, Well then I guess we'll talk about it more on Monday.

But yeah, like that, even though I just liked it and didn't love it, I merely liked it and merely thought it was good instead of a masterpiece, which everybody is just lining up to say that, which is just crazy.

It does take risks, and and that's probably why people are calling it measure because we haven't seen a movie that really takes these kinds of risks in quite a while.

But let me ask you something, because you from what you seem to be intimating and really I've you know, I've got that skeptical gene in me as well.

And so when I see people going like like Adam name and over a collider not collider, sorry, over at the Ringer upset me with his review because he said in the end, like, if they don't give Paul Thomas Anderson the best directing Oscar, they shouldn't.

They should just shut down the category like that kind of I'm gonna say this people could have said to me, that kind of fan girling.

Is that Taylor Swift kind of fangirling irritates the piss out of me because we still have three months of movies to go and I don't and Adam seen some of them, but not all of them, and so I think to say that kind of shit drives me insane.

To see some of the over the top reviews for this movie, Imma, granted I still haven't seen it.

We'll see this afternoon.

But is this where you get because it seems to probably have a liberal to it?

Is this where critics kind of mixed their politics with their reviews here and like essentially be like circle jerking spider monkeys in the theater watching a movie like this and going crazy whatever.

This is why critics can't be trusted, quite frankly, and why I'm one of the only trusts where the people lefts they just they just talk themselves.

Right, It's like I've been so cut off from the larger part of film twitter.

I'm like this outcast or whatever.

It feels like sometimes, well you've made yourself that on purpose.

Come on now, sure, because who would want to be part of the like the like these pod people essentially all they do is talk to each other, and they don't want to be the one who doesn't call it a masterpiece, the one who doesn't get it, So everybody calls it a fucking masterpiece.

What did Jordan's say?

Did you read Jordan's review?

Yeah?

Yeah, one battle after another is brilliant.

Yeah, messy and inevitably overhyped.

Yeah that's Jordan.

Thought as well.

I'm not saying I'm the only one, but there's fewer and fewer of us.

This movie is uneven.

I mean, it just bites off more than I can shoo.

It's two hours and forty minutes.

People could also and it's messy in a good way, right, I'm not you know, like there is messy in a bad way, and it's a it's a vital picture, you know, it does feel like a rallying cry.

That's the term that I use in my review.

But just like the the way people are like, just forget like Boogie Nights.

Boogie Nights.

You're telling me that this movie is better than Boogie Nights.

You can't be trusted.

Okay.

There are people who I definitely thought about unfollowing on Twitter this week just based on their PTA rankings, and you can do the same with me.

I don't care, but like, it really blew my mind this week seeing the way people look at film mm hmm, which is so different than the way I look at it.

Yeah.

Yeah, They're tough to watch when they're interviewing each other on these pots and even look listen, I used to read The Ringer all the time, but even watching their podcast sometimes I'm just like, what is happening here?

Every once in a while there's a little bit of a of a dissent, but most of the time, you know, they're just kind of John.

You mentioned Adam Naming, right, who wrote the book on PTA.

Let me ask you that who wrote the book?

Yeah?

Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I know.

Yeah, that's what these guys are gonna do.

They're gonna like go hard for their boys and and who's on the podcast this week?

Yeah, like just use your brains, guys, use your brains for two fucking seconds.

It's getting it's getting frustrated, really is because like the the the mixture of having the fanboy or fangirl for these people and then want to be seen as objective is getting just out of control.

When and when they interview them, it's all like they're almost like Chris Farley on those SNL sketches.

Do you remember when when you did this movie and like you did this thing?

And it's like, come on, man, can we ask some real questions?

Can you get to the meat of shit?

Or is it only just about status and your desire to keep bringing these people back on so you can keep your job, keep your following, and keep getting your ass kissed everywhere.

It just it's frustrating.

No one's asking, like hardly anyone gets into the meat and potatoes of what these and calls them out on certain things like that's what I want to see is like legitimate conversations.

And by the same token, these creators have to have the stones to be willing to go find these people that are gonna ask them the tougher questions, explain your point of view?

Why did you choose this way creatively?

It's just frustrating.

You get nothing out of these interviews now naming specifically.

I read that review.

Yeah, obviously a great review.

This is a great critic in a way that I could never be.

In fact, reading his review, I was like, this is why I'm not a film and I don't identify as one.

But you know, I also think I have great tastes.

You can question the trade all you want, but see the taste that other people have.

I don't know where it comes from.

Is it like you can't get anything right now?

Being a Booge Nights fan that doesn't get you anywhere with the studios.

But to be a one battle after another fan that gets you the access in the interviews and the infights.

It's just the recency bias among amongst credits is way is what just drives me nuts.

It's a snake eating its own tail, that's what it is.

Because the the publicists don't want you to go on podcasts that are gonna question you or anything like that, so they're just gonna put you into safe places, and you're gonna get asked all the safe questions and you're not going to actually have to explain your work intensely.

And these even like like I remember, like the days of Charlie Rose or James Lipton or the like, these guys sometimes would ask the harder questions and get to the meat and potatoes of things, and it would be a good discussion because no one's fucking perfect.

So I think you get more out of an interview with someone who is like confronted with the mistakes along with the successes and having to explain them, and you get really challenged.

That's one thing I like about Tarantied.

Tarantino doesn't mind that shit.

I may not always be the biggest Tarantino family comes to interviews, but he is willing to go knee deep into his own shit and see his positives and negatives of what he did.

And I appreciate that, and I wish more filmmakers are willing to do that, especially challenging ones like Pta.

You know what I'm saying, Just like the PR tour these days drives me insane, Like instead of talking to guys like you and I who is DiCaprio and Benicio talking to the Kelsey brothers.

Else brought the New Heights podcast?

What what is the new hot stump?

And like obviously DiCaprio and Benicia they're gonna get attention no matter where they go, right right right, but like that is the hot new stop and and I get it, like particularly with this movie, you're really seeing it with Leo.

Yeah, he has to sell, sell, sell, sell, because this is one hundred and fifty million dollar movie.

I mean he said the box office because yeah, right, almost like being like hey, I really need you guys to show up for this one.

Like this movie is going is probably going to lose money, but they're not going to care if it gets a bunch of Oscar animations, which it sounds like it will.

And it's and frankly it deserves I just don't feel like it.

And it could very well be the front runner for Best Picture right now.

But I just walked away a little dissatisfying.

Okay, yeah, because it this got me thinking because Roxy and I hosted the show on christ NHL Show on Monday, right, and Roxy went in on the James Gun stuff and was like She's like I think Jeff's doing it because Jeff knows it's part of the game, and I think you do it from a little more of a personal space when she was and I took that criticism of heart, like I thought about it all week and I was like, well, yeah, I see that there's two different approaches and how we do it.

But I still think that we should interview James Gunn not because I want the status or the views or the click so any of that shit.

And that's nice that that would come with it.

It's more a matter of, like we would call him out on certain comments and certain things that he said and why why did you do this?

But it doesn't mean we hate his work, And that's what I think is the difference.

Right, we could get to the meat of this stuff while also praising the work.

Because last night's Peacemaker was the best episode, maybe arguably the best episode of the season, and with an incredible reveal that even though everyone saw it coming, it was still a shocking, shocking reveal and so oh, I can't say I'm not gonna spoil it, but the reveal was pretty much what people would think.

So yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's a situation there so I'm just like, in my mind, I'm like, yeah, you know, I would.

I understand the criticism, but it's coming from a place of like, I want to know what you're thinking in this thing.

I want to know why you made these decisions.

I want to know why you said the things that you said.

You know.

I wonder what Paul Thomas Anderson think, Like, would he rather have someone licking his balls and be like, oh my god, one Battle Left another your greatest movie, You're so amazing.

Ye would he rather say hear someone say, you know what, it was okay, but it was no Magnolia Booge Knights, because those movies are your true masterworks.

I wonder what compliment he'd rather hear.

Yeah, yeah, And you're not gonna get it at A Q and A, and you're not going to get it in these podcasts who want to keep you coming back.

So it's I think it's up to the creative to be like, well, I want to go on this show because they're going to challenge, They're gonna ask me questions about my stuff, and I want to go toe to toe with someone about my stuff.

And I think that there's a certain element of it.

I love that.

I mean, I'm just built.

I love confrontation.

I enjoy it.

I don't like to cause it, but I don't mind it when it comes to conversation and debate as we do this show.

So I would love to see more creatives be willing to put themselves out there.

I met Spike is a guy who would absolutely go in and weigh in and have his stuff questioned and go toe to toe.

And I think more people get more out of that than the SoundBite comments that, oh, run with it.

This is amazing.

You know, DiCaprio's doing his first podcast ever and it's our show to NFL dudes, and it's like, come on, and I love the NFL, no offense, but you know, are you going to have Ciskel and Ebert interview Patrick Mahomes get the fuck out of here?

Like it just doesn't make sense.

So anyway, yeah, anyway, Again, it's the way of the PR world these days.

I mean, I went out looking plane last night and it's like, do you want to watch direct TV or do you want to watch Chicken Shop Date with Amelia de Muldenburg.

It was like, wow, like thet girls on airplanes now, like these these interviews are being syndicated.

I came home and told my dad and my brother that they're like, who the fuck is chicken Shop girl?

You know what you're talking about.

I can't watch any of that ship or what's the and no offense?

Look, get your bag, ladies, make your money.

But the one with the woman sitting on the throne who's interviewing people in the fucking renaissance fair guard, I'm like, what is this?

I get nothing from this but.

But but I guess it doesn't.

It doesn't make sense to just go on all these film bro podcasts and sell to the same audience.

Like that's true that you're trying to bring in a wide audience.

You're you're having you know, Charletagne or whatever host the screenings, you know, for for black audiences, because this is a movie.

You know.

Thanks, But I did see.

Really, I don't know if if they're picking up on that or if it's being sold to them correctly, but.

I do see a couple.

I've seen a few black critics in my in my organist in HHA and Critics' Choice saying they didn't like the depiction of the black characters in this movie and the way that they were used in this movie, and I think that's an essential conversation I have as well.

So I can't wait to see.

I'd love to read more reviews from black critics for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for all of you who think you know Jeff's one with Jeff's very opening.

These kinds of things I want to hear from armand White, whose review I think we'll be dropping soon.

Yeah.

Is Elvis still reviewing stuff or is.

He rarely reviewing stuff?

All right?

Personally I love Elvis, but yeah, he's just someone who comes and moderates Q and Eight's.

Well, let's let's move on from that.

Let's talk a little Marvel action.

Jeff uh.

This news broke that Sam Raimi has been has been talking with Marvel about a potential new project.

Is a rumor that has popped up here.

And of course, Multiverse of Madness made almost a billion dollars, but they rumors are continuing to worther.

My time to shine hello, said Sam Raimi talks with Marvel about doing another project for them, not just Doctor Strange three, and a lot of people are saying that it could be Midnight Suns and there's even possibilities that he would do a Toby Maguire Spider Man that would be in the Marvel universe, but also still respectful to Sony.

So do you buy this?

Is it pastor smell test or is this more a matter of like they're just you know, they're taking meetings with everybody, who's talking with people and whatever.

What's it indicating to you?

I mean, the Toby Maguire thing is interesting.

If they were actually going to make another movie with him.

Well, they're because people, you know, have a bad taste in their mouth from Spider Man three and he didn't get a chance to do more.

To make a movie though he got a bad taste in the mol from the last one.

Let's let him go out on the right note, because the chances are that he'll go out on an even worse note.

Yeah.

Possibly, yes, But I.

Do believe the rumors that Ramie is looking to return to Marvel.

I had said that he was looking to do Doctor Stray.

I don't know what the status of that project is.

I have her at Midnight Sun's rumors.

Yeah, I have heard, you know that it would be Mahershla and Oscar and wow whoever is playing ghost Rider?

Mm okay, but do you think he'd be the right fit for it.

I don't know if he'd be the right fit for I mean, I don't want that ninety defensibility on this.

This is a hard edged, R rated type of film, and I don't want Bruce Campbell Cambio's.

I don't want Dutch Angles.

I want a legitimately edgy director to bring something powerful to this piece.

And I don't think that Ramy is the choice in my opinion.

I mean, who is the choice?

Fucking Jake Schreier.

No, Jake Schryder is not the choice either.

Yeah, Like, I don't know enough about Midnight Suns to know whether it's for Sam's sensibility or not, But I think he's one of the great comic book movie directors.

And Marvel could certainly certainly do a lot worse.

They certainly need a hit, you know, So maybe that's the angle they're looking at.

But do you if he does land somewhere in the Marvel universe again, where do you see him landing?

Like, do you think he lands with Midnight Sounds Doctor Strange three?

Or is the Toby McGuire thing a little bit more of a possibility than people maybe, I think right.

Now, I have no idea.

Again, I've never heard I don't know where these are coming from.

I don't know who's hearing them.

Yeah, I haven't heard anything about Toby McGuire.

I mean, how old is Tobey maguire now?

Well in his force?

So obviously it would be an older Spider Man, but it would be the reuniting because people love so much brain Yeah.

How many fucking old like we're doing Nick Cage's older Spider Man and Spider War fifty.

I'm not a fan of all like these else worlds things, right, I don't think you need two Batman flying around in Burbank, So I don't think we need more.

And unless you know, they have gotten indications that Tom Molland is looking to walk away after this.

He's totally leaving.

This is it.

I think this is pretty much it.

This is this contract.

Once this is done, I think he's done because I think he wants to go do one of the things.

I mean, I think so too.

But like I mean, these guys, you think that they're done and then they're like, ah, I can't leave the money, and I just you know, I can't leave the fame and that.

Yeah, but that's I mean, but I think there's a different I don't know, every case is different.

Obviously, like Robert Downey Junior had already established himself previously, then took Iron Man at a time when he was like unbankable and it exploded.

I mean, now he's whereas But then even he said earlier this week, like I lost confidence in my ability to act being in Marvel movies, and I wanted to go do op on Hybrid and to prove myself I could still do it, And he did it right.

Tom Holland started out in these smaller independent films, then immediately got the Spider Man gig, which has blown him up.

But I do think, like you know, you're with Zendia.

Zindeia clearly has tastes for much more interesting, nuanced, difficult, complex type of things, and at some point, you know, you got to step up to the plate yourself.

She's not gonna look over.

Oh you're gonna put on the suit again.

Oh you're putting the suit on again.

Like there's a he's got the talent to break out of this thing.

It's not like Chris Evans, where yes, Chris Evans is talented but like he's gonna find his way back Captain America because nothing else he's doing has done anything of note, and so he's gonna find I don't think Tom Holland is in that situation.

I know, more potentially, I don't.

Think that Sam Raiman's gonna do a Spidery movie with Toby or whire right now, Midnight suns.

I think that's a real possibility.

I don't know if I see Rainy directing it.

To me, Doctor Straten's Three seems like a no brainer given the gross of that last movie.

But you also couldn't just you couldn't make it, assuming that it's going to gross that much again, right, I assume that it's going to lose there, you know, there'd be like a downgrade or whatever box office wise, because box office isn't quite the same.

But people, yes, you really seem to like that character and what Ramy did with it, even though you and I couldn't stand it.

Oh god, it was horrible.

You're right, Yeah, you're right.

They like what he did, and you know, but it could make that money, Jeff, if they schedule it, you know, in between Doomsday and the Secret Wars.

If they schedule it that way, then people will want to go see it.

So it's almost like a baked in thing.

So if I was Rainy, I'd be like, hell yeah, let's do Doctor Strange three, as long as you place it in between both, because I'm going to make the most amount of money I can make in that situation, and it'll help my resume.

Look at how all these films and I've been successful do it, So it's a smart move business wise and creatively as well.

Let's see.

Oh yeah, and also let's move on to this.

What about Spider Man brand new day?

We had a Tombstone announcement there with Marba Jones.

A third is going to be playing Tombstone.

Earlier this week, there are rumors that Elena Belova is going to be a part of a bigger part of this, and people anticipated we still have Sadie Sink, We've got the Punisher, We've got the whole Daredevil is probably going to make it an appearance.

Probably the Defender is going to make it appearance, and of course also Spider Man.

And there's even more possible rumors that more characters are going to join this.

Jeff, so is this becoming a top heavy situation that is going to sink this film or or is this you know, standard stuff to see and it's not that big of a deal.

It seems like a lot.

It seems pretty overstuffed.

Yeah, but I guess that's what you have to do to keep people interested in the fourth movie.

Yeah, you're up against the third movie, which is the most successful.

It grows to billion dollars, right Yeah, so they're like, you know, that's the benchmark.

Now, how do we get back to that without having, you know, all the moments that we had in the third one.

So yeah, it's probably what they have to do if they want to break the billion dollar mark, right Yeah.

I just I don't know what the story.

I mean, I don't know.

I'm a little nervous about it, A little nervous.

Well, here's I have some things to possibly break on the show.

I don't know how much of this is breaking news or not, but I've had sources reach out to me close to the production and someone who recently was at a Disney presentation for the film for Spider Man Brand New Day, And what I'm being told is that Jeff, you were right that the main villain is a female shape shifter.

They've cast the person, but I'm not allowed to say who.

It was not sure if they're the Chameleon or not, but they are a shape shifter.

Tombstone and Scorpion are in the film, but they're not the main villains.

And what else.

Oh and from what I got from a source overseas, and I take this with a groom a grain of salt.

But they're telling me that Boomerang is also going to be part of this movie and that MJ has a new boyfriend, which is what causes Peter to snap a bit, and it makes the film a little more darker and more grounded.

So that's what I've heard, And again take this with a grain of salt.

This is what I hear from sources who are close to this thing, and so that's kind of the approach they're going with.

But it will be Hulk and Punisher who will be the main people that Spider Man is fighting or in league with to fight the Hulk here, So that's what's going to be the main stuff going on.

MJ's not stopping the Punisher, is she, I don't think.

So that's way too out of it.

But remember she does don't know Peter Parker anymore.

She had her memory wiped.

So Peter seeing her with a new guy, of course that might depress him because he can't tell her that he's the guy, and now he has to let her go.

You know, I gotta tell you want my thoughts on this stuff, tell me, tell me.

I don't give a ship it is.

I just don't remember when Michelle had her memory wiped four years ago.

No, I don't.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about the big part of the film.

Oh, I know, I get it now, but like, yeah, so I'm sorry.

I could give half a ship about these.

But the shape shifting female shape shifter you were, you were on that so first.

So that that that I know, that passes your spell test.

That does, Yes, it does.

The other thing i've heard stay with Marvel is that Avengers Doomsday.

They keep saying that they are, that they wrote the script, or that the the script was finished, And yes, they had a finished script, but there wasn't.

The ending had not been figured out in the script, and they were writing scenes on the set.

They last pitch.

Has ending to come yeah to TBW to be written, and even now after wrapping Doomsday, supposedly they're not really finished.

They're apparently still filming a lot more stuff.

A lot more, is what my sources, a lot more starting in twenty twenty six before they move on to Secret Wars in the summer.

So they're still trying to figure this whole thing out.

Man.

It's I mean, look, it could turn out to be amazing, right, it.

Pulls it off right and its grosses billions of dollars, then I won't hear anybody complaining.

But I think it's certainly only further illuminated that the Marvel way of making movies isn't for everybody.

It is for the Russo brothers.

Right, these guys can't make a movie outside of the Marvel system.

Now that they were, they just have really figured out how to work within it.

But yeah, sounds messy.

But I also I think this also speaks to having so many characters in the movie and having so many storylines to honor, and not just the storylines leading into the movie the two movies.

Rather, you've also got to launch new storylines that lead us into the next phases.

So both Doomsday and Secret Wars, Dude, are doing some heavy fucking lifting we're talking Arnold Schwarzenegger in the nineteen seventies kind of heavy lifting, like he is there in the gym almost every day trying to get bigger because they've got to carry more and more on their backs.

That try to satisfy the storylines that led up to the two films and then launch new ones comfortably.

And we saw with Fantastic Four, all bets are off.

There's no guarantee that they're going to get it right and that people will go see it.

Yeah, there you go, all right, and one more thing to go on with.

Jeffs has been breaking news on Star Wars Star, so let's make a quick segue into that.

Here.

Some of the stuff I'm hearing Jeff let me know his Passger Smell test is that the main kid is for sensitive.

His mom is being played, as we said, probably by Amy Adams.

She seems to be a Jedi, and that Gossling is not a Jedi, but he is helping his nephew escape two evil bad guys who are chasing him across the stars because he has a mission he's on given to him by Amy Adams.

So that's what I hear on the Star Wars Star Fighter.

Anything that you've also heard that makes sense to that or does that pass your smell test at all?

I haven't heard too much a lot wise.

Yeah, I think all that adds up within the framework that I've been given.

Yeah, yeah, it seems to make sense in the angle they're going.

The Daisy Ridley thing is still kind of up in the air in terms of Ray.

Is it gonna be Ray?

Don't know, but yeah.

I mean, the kid being for sensitive makes all the sense in the world.

His mom possibly being a Jedi makes all the sense of little even though Jedis are not really prominent in the universe at the timing of the of the of the film, but it makes all the sense in the and sending him off with her with Brian Gosling, we don't know what the relationship is there, so that's going to be interesting.

That's the thing that's gonna be interesting to explore.

So we will see, all right, anything else you want to talk about on the Marvel of Star Wars spoiler?

Shall we move on?

My friend?

Let's just get into the Batman two scoops?

Go ahead, What do you got I don't have an Okay, well, let's want some trailer Chef.

We had the Bride drop earlier this week, the Maggie Gillen Hall teaser.

Another fucking bride to you.

I apologize, yes, I'm sorry.

We also had a Mandoin grow Goo state.

I guess we could stay a little bit of Star Wars trailer that dropped earlier, which was basically a wet fart, and then the Wicked for Good came out this week as well.

So your thoughts on these three trailers anything stand out to you?

Was there surprise with the Bride that I like that trailer?

What you think?

Let's start with Star Wars.

Okay, you say it's a wet fart.

The way the reception, I mean the reception.

Too, okay, and that doesn't surprise me right well, especially off of and Or and everybody having probably high expectations.

Yeah, it's got to look good this guy.

Wow, I'm not a Star Wars guy.

I don't exactly it just I watched one season of The Mandalorian.

I liked it, but I didn't I think I watched an episode of two or season two, and then I was just off of it.

So I'm not up.

But I'm told I don't need to be caught up.

It looks like one Star Wars adventure.

I've told you already that Return of the Jedi is my favorite Star Wars movie because I like the job of the Hut.

So I liked that rot of the Hut or whatever.

That was a cool shot.

I don't understand the reception to this trailer other than just like it's hard hardcore Star Wars fans who just want more and or or something.

I think it's no, it's it's people went off on the fact that it didn't look cinematic enough, which honestly.

Is a lazy bullshit.

I think it's hilarious to me.

The problem, I think is that people have gotten so used to seeing cinematic level television on their televisions that like, when you go to the movie, they think it's got to look like this.

I mean, go see one battle after another.

I'm gonna tell you right now, Mando looks much better than that film in terms of the way it's shot.

Because it's supposed to convey a certain thing.

So what is this magical, amazing, mind blowing special effects that Star Wars is, you know, supposed to hit.

I'm just really confused by that.

I thought this looked fantastic.

I enjoyed it had a lot of fun.

I didn't have too many expectations.

I thought the ad ad stuff at the end falling off the side of the cliff in the mountain was cool.

Zeb the Babu Frick stuff, the baby Yoda stuff.

I thought it did exactly what's supposed to do.

I just think right now, people have a heart on to come after Star Wars and any excuse they can come to jump in and you know, drop a load in the water they want to do when it comes to Star War.

So I thought the reception was ridiculous because I think it's a perfectly fine trailer.

Yeah.

Again, it's a nice little placeholder.

Yeah, it's better than just rushing out another fucking ray movie, which was like the original plan.

Yeah, that's why this movie got made because they wanted a movie for Christmas twenty twenty five, and so the Greenland.

That's why season four of The Mandalorian turned into a movie.

Yeah, and obviously Avatar got pushed and took over the Christmas date.

So this move to May again, I think I think it'll do exactly what it's supposed to do, which just hold, you know, just hold people over until Starfighter comes in twenty twenty seven.

Less Posito I said, we're getting a trilogy of these movies, which surprise surprises me a little.

But it's like, I guess if they keep getting huge fucking California tax credits, Yeah, like, how do we not pull the trigger on something like this?

But I'm told that the budget of this is it's not quite as high as maybe Solo, but it's pretty comparable to like a big blockbuster, so.

Like to fifty three hundred.

No, I just know, uh, I think, you know, whatever the reports were with the text credit thing, like it was five or something, it's probably closer to like two hundred.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's cinematic.

It's not like they just like a cheap episode of television put on the big screen.

I think that's just so lazy.

Yeah, a little simplistic.

Yeah, exactly.

What about the uh bride trailer?

Oh, sorry, the motherfucking bride trailer?

What'd you think of that one?

I think it looks great.

I mean I think that that is going to be a weird movie.

I don't know how well it will do.

Maybe it will do really well.

Maybe, I mean it's it's fucking natural Born Killers with Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein.

Yeah, one hundred million dollars natural Born Killers movie.

Right.

I do think that this is what Joker Too should have been.

Great point, this is the movie, literally the movie the Joker two should have been with him and Harley.

So yeah, I think it looks really cool.

But yeah, at the same time, I've heard the tone, you know, is a little uneven, and that's what they're trying to find in the edit room and everything.

And like, you know that there is a musical number.

I don't think that the movie is a musical, but I believe that there is a musical number.

It Visually it looks stunny.

It looks like, you know, poor things or something.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

But this is what happens.

I mean, the people have been complaining and we covered it here on the show Jeff Right, like Abdien de Luca gave these filmmakers too much money, and yes, maybe that's true.

But we're seeing the results, and the results have been pretty positive.

I mean, Sinner's way overperformed than people expected.

Then you look at you look at one ballot after another.

It may not hit the box office highs.

But it looks like it's gonna get a lot of awards consideration, if not awards themselves.

And the bride looks incredible.

That looks nothing like The Lost Daughter.

Maggie's full creative abilities are there to see in that, just in that trailer, and that's just a teaser that I was like blown the fuck away by what we might be getting in this movie.

So I makes the plushy.

But Jesse and Christian two intense, complex actors together, you're gotta get fireworks.

And he throw stars Guard Jake in their Penelope.

Yeah, the cast is amazing.

But I also talked about it with someone and they were like, do you remember when Christian Bale made good movies like Jero, when Christian Bale was getting like the top offers.

So and I was like, listen, he's got Madden coming out next year, and I think that could get him an Oscar nomination right for playing Al Davis.

But yeah, I don't know.

We'll have to wait and see how this one goes.

It's coming out when in March.

In March, Yeah, that can be a place of strength for Warner Brothers, right, like The Batman and three hundred or whatever, or it can be like Mickey seventeen, the place where we don't know what to do with this movie.

Yeah, tell your friend to stop having recency bias themselves.

Yes, I know Amsterdam didn't do well.

Thoor eleven Thunder wasn't his problem.

The Pale Blue Eye did not see so I can't speak on that.

But Four Versus Ferrari was twenty nineteen.

That was his film before these last four.

But then Vice hostels the big short American hustle.

Hell, I'll throw in Night of Cups because I love Malick and I n throw that movie out of the furnace.

Come on now, a little bit of a bad run.

But he did voice the boy and the hair on that did well.

Here's the Nightdea John.

Yeah, break it down.

They give Maggie Jillenhaal one hundred million dollars.

Okay, make a Bride of Frankenstein movie.

Yes.

Is there any filmmaker female filmmaker that they're giving more money than that too?

Right now?

Maybe Greta Gerwig well.

For Barbie, yes, but Greta Gerwig is obviously now busy doing right.

So is there another filmmaker working on the Warner Brothers a lot right.

Now, nothing, I don't know who are you having mind?

Who are you saying?

Who do you think?

Nobody?

Nobody's the answer.

And so if Maggie Gillenhall is the female filmmaker that you really trust with Gerwig off doing something else.

Or Emerald Fennel caught up doing something else as well.

Right, I mean Emerald Finnley, You're right, it's one hundred and fifty million for Withering Heights.

But Maggie Jillen Hall, what do you think Wonder Woman?

Oh?

I one hundred percent beyond down with that.

I would one, especially because we know Maggie is not a wallflower.

We know Maggie is going to throw commentary in there, which is essential for Wonder Woman.

It's always had commentary.

Uh So, yes, one hundred percent, because I know there's gonna be commentary in the Bride.

The fact that these people, these two people got together killed her in order to make him a partner for him to be with is absolutely going to be something that blows up on the screen when you see it in the movie.

So yes, I think she'd be I think she'd be great.

Well, depending on the film is if the film's good, then one percent befrom what I see from the teaser, I would one hundred percent be willing to do.

That with her making good wonder Woman villain who Jesse Buckley, Oh.

Yeah, Jesus, Yeah, she can be Sircey.

She'd be great at Circey.

No offense to Kristen Wigg, but better than that cheetah.

I was watching a little bit of Bridesmaids the other day, and you want to talk about remember when Christin Bale made good movies?

Remember when Kristen Wigg make good?

Loiseman.

I haven't seen her do anything a long time of note, and it's a shame because she's a supremely talented actress.

Yeah she's waiting away on some Apple show right now.

Oh yeah, that Palm Royle nonsense.

Oh dude.

I could barely get through two episodes of that, I thought, because a pilot, Okay, it's fine, it's pilot's decent.

It's not great, it's fine.

Second episode was like, oh, it was barely get through.

Five minutes of it.

Not my jam at all, all right, And did you catch the wicked one, which was like three minutes, which is unheard of for a final trailer?

In a movie, but so much was packed in these three minutes.

I didn't actually see this one, but my ticket sold.

You know, they they saw me a ticket with the first movie, so I don't.

I'm trying not to watch too much footage from that one.

Did you see anything else this weekend?

This week rather in terms of trailers, anything else you want to note or point out you're good at.

Like movies, John, I saw Bogonia, Pogonia.

Okay, are you allowed to talk about it?

Yeah?

I can talk about Bogoni.

Yeah, it was not really for me.

The Stone and Jesse Plemons were both great first hours kind of slow.

Okay, Uh, it's a weird It's just a weird it's your ghost, It's another fucking weird ass movie.

Is it better than the last one?

Wait?

Yeah?

Poor Things?

No, not poor Things?

What's the moment where they're dancing around in the parking.

Yeah it was better than kind of yes, I just didn't feel like it was like much of an acnony movie.

Okay.

I was surprised by some of like the Oscar talk.

I was like, this is out there.

I saw a couple of indies I saw after Bogonia.

I went home I watched American Sweatshop.

Oh is this a new one with.

Lily Reinhart and she plays like a YouTube moderator.

Okay, just like having to watch like her horrific videos all day long.

Oh yes, yeah.

It's about like the impact that that takes.

And then she like also tries to go after like the maker of a video.

What is that order?

Is that you got a link for that vo D?

I think it's available?

Uh not great?

Okay, great?

I think that's an amazing premise and I think that someone could really do that premise justice.

It's kind of like the savant in a way.

Yeah, like no, actually she did not impress me.

Okay, and you know me, I've got the eye.

And then I watched Just Breathe.

Have you heard of this one?

This is Kyle Gollner and Sean Ashmore and William Forsyth.

So like a little tiny indie vo D movie, but a guy who like pulls a Cameron Poe right from Conyer, has to go into jail for a year, gets out and his po is you know, sort of like uh all with his ex girlfriend.

Oh damn, it's about like an evil po Who is that Forsyth or is that.

Oh it's Amore.

Is Kyle Gollner's father?

Oh?

Okay, okay, And you know what, I liked it.

I find him to be such a watchable presence or Goldner who Okay Gollner, I think he's I just he's so interesting.

Yeah.

So he's one of my favorite indie actors.

And I actually liked Ashmore going evil in this.

He's got that face for it.

So so you liked him in Smile?

Did you like him in Strange Darling?

Did you like him in Yeah?

Oh he's great and Strange Darling, He's great and Dinner in America.

I've been a fan of Kyle's since he was a child actor, since he was the kid in Wet Hot American Summer.

Oh right, okay, interesting, Oh he's in the most It was one of the screen return.

As well v O D indie movie with will him Force.

So yeah, I'm not calling it some like masterpiece.

I'm not over here one battling after another out on the movie that you watch with pretty low expectations.

I thought the writing was actually not bad.

It's the director's directorial debut.

He also wrote it Paul pomp of the Third All right, respect I've watched.

I mean, I've watched so much shit this week.

I can't remember you.

Watch the Avatar trailer?

Any thoughts on that.

Don't need to see that one either.

So I really like those Avatar movies.

So yeah, yeah, it looks really, really, really good.

What did I say?

I don't know anything I watched this week?

No, I don't think I watched anything this week.

Well, nobody wants this.

What else?

I didn't watched Season one?

Okay?

You just winning Cold?

Yeah it was, it was quite good.

Yeah, I get it that Adam Brodie is so lovable.

I don't know, man, I you know, see, I find the temperament for those kinds of shows, like you know, sum right, Turn Pretty and shit, it's just not really my jail.

Yeah, no, me, I mean I don't watch that stuff either.

House of Guinness is out on Netflix.

That's gonna be my weekend.

I hope that's fucking good.

Uh well, what else?

Is there anything else that came out recently on Netflix?

Yeah?

Twenty eight days later.

I'm just looking through right now to see if there's anything I watched recently on Netflix.

But I don't see anything that I've watched.

Yeah, all right, HBO, Max, Hulu anything.

No Hbo Max.

I started, I mean, I'm under embargo, but I started watching The Chair Company, the Tim Robinson Show.

Okay, it's a Tim.

Robinson show, all right?

What else if I been watching?

I don't know, there's all it's all a blur.

Okay.

Yeah.

I was wondering if I'd watched some new docum menores because I like to watch the docks on the streaming services.

But I can't think.

Oh, I haven't watched the Little Fair one.

I want to watch that one over the weekend as well.

And The Surfer is out on Hulu.

So do you recommend that people watch that one?

Actually?

I mean that's a that's a weird little movie, but I I liked it for the most part.

Okay, okay.

Also, Alien Earth wrapped up this week.

If you guys haven't seen that, highly recommend that.

Last night's Peacemaker was fucking great.

And did you watch The Lowdown?

Can you say anything about The Lowdown?

I want?

I watched like the first episode.

Okay, it wasn't for me.

Okay, that's that's a show I'm gonna walk away from.

They had Ethan Hawk and Jean Triple Horn serving food at Cantor's Deli to promote the show, and I was like, I don't understand that logic, but okay, sure.

There is a guy on Instagram.

I think his name is Daniel Robbins.

Okay, sure about that he does is an absolutely killer Ethan Hawk impression.

What the thing, dude, It's not so much like about how he sounds, even though he does sound like him, it's just like what he says, Okay, and he just like makes like Ethan Hawk out to be like the like artists supreme.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he does three great impressions.

It's that it's it's Ethan Hawk, it's Shilah buff yeah, and it's Willem Dafoe.

And this is amazing and awful.

All right, let's get into one controversial topic before we wrap up and get into questions.

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Let's go fifty for but all right, twenty five for now, and then we'll see where we go.

But let's come in this thing, the Riad Comedy Festival.

This I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but this kind of blew up this week.

Saudi Arabia is having a star studed debut comedy festival and it prepares to kick off this weekend.

And there are a lot of comedians who are involved with this, including Kevin Hart, as Ziz Nzari, Hannibal Bress, Bill Burr, Dave Chappelle, Louis C.

K.

Whitney Cummings, Pete Dave and Pete Davidson, whose father died in nine to eleven in the Towers, Zarna Gard, Gabriel l iglesia Is, Jim Jefferies, Joe Cooy, Bobby Lee, Jeff Ross, Andrew Santino, Thompson, Gura, Chris Tucker and Moore.

But you're thinking economy festival Saudi Arabia.

Mark Marin has called this out.

Zach Woods and Shane Gillis, Jeff Sneyder's favorite comedian who has no problem being on the red side of things and the blue side of things, a purple comedian, if you will.

They have called this out because this is in essence Saudi Arabia.

It's a further commitment to essentially whitewash their crimes from the past.

They've done this in the WWE.

They've done this in the sports world, especially in the Premier League with football and soccer there.

So, Jeff, you wanted to talk about this, as do I So, what are your thoughts to this and the fracture it's causing in the comic world.

I mean, I don't think it's going to be much of a fracture.

I agree with guys like Mark Marin and Shane Gillis.

I think this is gross.

I mean it's not.

I can appreciate Saudi Arabia and the people of Sata Arabia wanting to laugh right and wanting to see these comedians, but I don't know the fact that, like the I mean, the government is obviously involved in throwing this festival.

They threw absurd amounts of money at these people.

That's what they do.

Yeah, exactly, it's life changing money for you to put your ethics aside, and I understand it on that level.

But so it's I guess maybe it's easy when you're Shane Gillis or Mark Maron and you're also doing quite well to say, well, listen, we have money, Like I'm not going to take you know, millions of these guys like blood money, millions and blood money.

Yeah, not that anybody who's performing on this lineup is hurting.

I was just gonna say, none of these fuckers are poor.

Yeah, So, like I understand why an up and coming comedian might be like all I have to take this.

Yeah, it's it's a little gross.

Yeah, especially when you look at the people involved, like Kevin Hart.

I can't can see that Kevin will do anything for a dollar.

I know that respect that he's a hustler.

You think Ryan Seacrest is a hustler, Kevin is a hustler, uh, And I respect that as these Anzari has had his accusations in the past.

Hannibal Bress is the one I think who started the Cosby stuff that eventually sank Cosby.

Bill Burr has always been a guy who's pushed back on the the the right wing things and some of the hypocrisy that goes on with some of these social issues.

Chappelle, I'm not surprised by Louis c.

Kville.

You're on the same bill.

You're essentially rubber stamping this decision.

So I'm just shocked at the kind of people that are involved.

Jim Jefferies, why you know so there's just a lot of questions in him.

Oh oh yeah, you liked him in him although that film.

Dude, Yeah, I didn't like it.

Oh my god, was that film terrible.

I was so mad watching that movie.

And I mean no offense to Marlon Wims, but him coming out saying that people don't get it.

It's ahead of its time, man, kiss my ass.

That film is so see through and plastic, a transparent and surface it's like a C level a D level student trying to present a paper on social issues.

Like it's just so ridiculous the way it wasn't.

I did enjoy Jim Jeffrey's turn.

I didn't expect that from but yeah, it just doesn't feels this whole thing feels dirty.

Yeah.

I get to these guys like at the end of the day, all they're doing is getting on a plane, getting on a stage, telling some jokes and going home.

You know.

It's not like they're like contributing to the the horrible uh you know, things that are going on in that country.

But yeah, it's just like if you, Luis k you have two daughters, like we know, eat women over there, yes, think of women.

Uh so like, how how can you get on board with that?

I guess he could say, well, yeah, I have two daughters and I'm trying to create the best life for them, and they offered me three four million dollars for that twenty minute set.

Like what am I supposed to do?

Well?

Yeah?

Was it?

Yeah?

Was?

Uh?

Mark Maron has said, I mean, how do you even promote that from the folks that brought you nine to eleven two weeks of laughter in the desert.

Don't miss it.

I mean, the same guy that's going to pay them is the same guy that paid that guy to bone saw Jamal Kashogi and put him in a fucking suitcase.

Don't let that stop the X though, it's gonna be a good time.

I think that's the point, you know, I know what you're saying, like, Oh, you're making this kind of money, they're offering this kind of money.

All I'm doing is getting on a plane telling jokes.

That's the I think that's the cop out excuse.

You are, in essence, rubber stamping this regime by participating an event for this regime.

And I put across the board like if you're in the WWE and you perform at an event, you know that's one of the big things.

Sammy Zaying, who's a wrestling the ww he refused to perform in Saudi Arabia for years because of what happened with the government.

And so there's are things that you see, and so there's there's rooms to make a stand.

So for me, if these guys come out later and want to talk about social issues, it's like, fuck you.

You went down the thing in Saudi Arabia.

You got nothing to say that means anything here.

It lose credibility.

I get what you're saying.

Obviously, it's tricky.

It's tricky because it's like, Okay, well, couldn't you say that about the people of the trades.

Penske took blood money from Saudi Arabia, right, he took like that massive investment.

These people are paid, These people are all paid in blood money.

Yeah.

So it's like, but am I do I really think justin my friend is supposed to feel guilty about that?

Or is he just you know, or like, like Penske's use that investment to finance journalism, which is a good thing.

How many people are investing in journalism?

Not right now, not a lot.

So I have to give Penske his flowers on that front.

But like, does that does that indict Kroll because he takes his page from Penske and Penzke, you got the money from Saudi Arabia.

I don't think it necessarily should, but I would get the argument that it does.

Yeah, I mean, you have to know who you're in business with, and I get it, you know, Like, but that's the thing that's people always conveniently have that.

Well, you know, I'm not actively doing anything.

Well you are, by choosing to work in that place, you are, in essence having what do you call it the cognitive dissonance or selective.

To say if you were just are you supposed to say, Jay, I can't work here anymore because until you give back them, I'm going to go.

Start a sub stack like everyone else has been doing and be able to make money off of it.

Like everybody's so principled though, and nor I don't know anybody be you know, like, I don't think I'm that principled.

Like that's what I'm saying.

I'm fine with people.

Look, I'm fine with people not being principal.

I think you need to understand the nuance here, Like, I'm cool if you don't have any principles, But don't turn around and write a column bashing something that's going on in the world, because fuck you, you have no principles, what are you standing on?

Shut up and get out of the way.

Just go report your shit.

But if you've got a really you've got an opinion on a social issue or opinion on stuff that's going on in the world, but you want to turn around and say well, I took money because I have no principles.

Fuck you, your your stance means nothing.

We just let people get away with too much.

Nowadays, people have way too much of a sliding scale about this stuff that it gets frustrated.

There's no consistency.

And I get super frustrated when I see that, because you're conveniently inconsistent but then conveniently consistent, and it's like, come on, man.

You know that's my opinion, that's my pin.

You don't have to agree with that.

I know you don't have to agree with you, but that's my opinion.

That's why I like being independent.

Brother.

I'm very lucky.

I can pay my bills and save some money every month.

I'm lucky, but I do.

I wouldn't want to go work for a junket or sorry, an outlet that's gonna tell me what the fuck I can talk about, or that takes money from something like Saudi Arabia, and I've got to like turn my nose at some of the stuff that they're doing, you know.

I mean, just just to play devil.

I feel like if you are Pensiki though, and obviously he you know, has a fortune, like and you're seeking outside investment, and you're seeking fifty million dollars so you can support this media empire of yours and no one's offering it except for the Saudis.

What are you supposed to do?

Pack up your media empire and call it a day, or do you take the money?

Like that's what's tricky And you know I think I have and you know we can judge j for it.

He's also doing it for a good cause, see yeah, for himself, but he's also doing it to support journalism.

Well no, no, this is this is a cop out.

If people can't speak out, if they're hypocritical, the almost no one would ever speak out.

No, I think it's I think there are people who try to live by ethics and a code and ethos, and those are the people who carry more weight when they speak out.

But if you have a lot of hypocriticism, hypocritical points of views, then you're when you speak out, it's irrelevant.

It doesn't mean you can't speak out, it just means, in my mind, it doesn't carry the weight that it should.

Now, yeah, it says if Saudi's paid your two a month, you change.

No, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't take the money.

I don't need to take the money.

I'm not driven by money.

That's if I driven by money money either.

But I would take the month if somebody gay month, I would not take it.

From a Saudi situation, I wouldn't.

I just wouldn't.

I'm okay with where I'm living.

If I want to make more money, this channel would be completely different, completely different.

You know you them toes.

Yeah, I mean, it just would be a different complete channel.

It's completely different channel than it is now.

I like what the channel is.

I know it's growing buildings whatever, But like, if I want to make something else, you be, I go right wing.

I go right wing and a harpet.

I mean, if I just was caring about money, I'd be like, fuck star Wars, fuck women, fuck people are go like, it would just be the perfect drift to make that money.

That's just the person.

People a mixture of ideas from the left and the right.

Most people are purple.

Yes, I do agree that I think most people are the middle, yes, absolutely, But the people who make money are the extremists.

Usually the people are yeah, either they're extremely happy about everything or extremely negative about everything.

That's how they make their money.

You know, so yeah, anyway, Yeah, John feet Roka exactly, That's what it would be anyway.

But yeah, I mean that's the thing, and that's why, you know, sometimes I call out our own government because I'm like, you gotta be fair, you got to call out everybody.

There's nothing wrong with that, all right.

I think that's is anything else you want to hit on, Jeff, anything else you want to talk about?

I know we haven't gotten to everything, but is there anything you want to say about, like the weapons producer?

Since huh Jordan Peele's right, Yes, let's talk about it.

Jordan Peele.

My apologies, Jeff, Yes, we put that in the description here.

Jordan Peele.

You wrote a column breaking down where Jordan Peel is now, some of the missteps he's made recently, and where he needs to be going next.

So please Jeff take it away.

Uh yeah, I mean, I just think that this last weekend was not a good one for Jordan Peel.

It has not been a good eighteen months for Jordan Peele.

Jordan Peele tried to get the weapons rights in twenty twenty three.

He did not get them.

And this is not to direct guys, this is to produce he wanted Monkey Pot to produce the movie, and they just did not get the rights because Monkey pat has shown that they can produce Peel's movies, but they can't haven't really made you know, haven't really made us a stamp on Hollywood producing other people's movies, So they didn't win that auction.

He put his name on Monkey Man after seeing it and thought it was going to be a big hit and convince the Universal to buy it.

That didn't work out.

Okay, He's been writing a script ever since No Pitt Theaters in twenty twenty two, and it's not ready and it didn't It just hadn't didn't go the way that he planned, much like Tarantino's movie critic like, he looked at it at the end and was like, I don't really know what I'm if I want to do this or like, you know, commit the next two years of my life to this.

Yeah, I'm trying to say with this, you know, then him comes out that you know, underperforms at least, Yeah, and so he's at he's at a crossroads and like my sources basically indicated like yeah, like you gotta mix it up and do a change of pace.

Crawl out of your own ass a little bit like you got a little too high on your own supply and everybody telling you like you're the new Hitchcock.

And truth is, yeah, Us made money.

I don't know if Nope ended up making money.

Probably did, Like you know, his his grosses keep going down and the budgets keep going up.

This is not a good pattern.

And and even and Us and Nope are both divisive movies.

So like nothing has really worked since get Out and so yeah, I wrote a column on it.

You know, I don't think Jordan's team loved the column, but it was like, you know, what, what do we want to dispute here?

Like where is the factual inaccuracy in this column?

Like this is just my opinion with you know, one or two or three sources sprinkled in and their insight.

Now, I don't know what Jordan has up his sleeve, if he's down the line on a new script, or if he is actually open to Oda's which, as I've said, are open directing assignments.

But it seems to me that like, yeah, I think he has reached a point where if you're so nervous about the next original movie, you know, maybe just take like an assignment gig and see how that goes and get another box office hit under your belt, or.

Make the movies for less.

That's the possibility to like go back to the nut and bolts of things.

Look, you got lucky with get Out.

It was a really well written, incredibly intelligent film.

But Hollywood history is littered with centuries of directors who come out with a first groundbreaking film and then been unable to follow it up with anything that comes close to it.

I mean arguable.

I'm not saying Jordan Peel's a genius, although some people might say that, but his get Out is in essence kind of like the same situation with Orson Wells comes out with Citizen Kane.

It is so groundbreaking, so well known, so whatever, that people compare everything to that afterwards.

And he was never able to come close to Kane with any of his films for multiple reasons.

And and again I'm not saying get Out a Citizen can I'm saying it comparatively in terms of the situation.

So everything he's done since is compared to get Out, and get Out was a box office hit and captured right as racial dynamics were really becoming a big flashpoint in conversation, a new approach to it in conversation.

It was inventive, it was interesting.

Us and Nope are much more avant garde, much more niche, much more complex, and so you're not going to get the audience that's necessarily on board with something like this.

And so you're making like a you make Nope for seventy million dollars in essence, and it makes one hundred and seventy one.

Why aren't you making that for thirty or thirty five?

You know, these are the things that we look at.

Is like I think, I think it's going to be pressure.

It's good to have your back against the wall because it shows what you can do as a creative.

But the other thing is you got to eat a little crow here and do less.

And your article said, like what's he got high on his own supply and needs a change of pace, according to one exec and Peel has done nothing that has truly worked since Get Out and quote each of his three films has cost more, growth less and in fact he's been delivering I owe you's since get Out?

That is that is a rough situation.

Man, I mean, and I don't know if it's one hundred percent fair, because it's only been three years since Nope, and you know, some people like Nope, and there are good things about no.

I was more into the monkey thing than anything else in the movie, right.

But.

You know, and like Candyman didn't work.

It's just like his his impremature doesn't mean what it used to, and I think that they need to change it up to get that, to get his mojo back.

Essentially, it can't all just be horror movies.

I get that that's what made him, you know, the filmmaker that he is, but I do think that there is potential for him to be so much more.

But yeah, you got to you gotta take some chances.

It could also be that this is the extent of his you know, creativity.

Now.

I don't mean that he can't still be creative.

I mean, like get Out was the best he'll ever do, and he might not be able to reach that level of pop culture crossover and appealing to such a mass audience with such a brilliantly consumable film.

You know, I mean, you know, how many people really unless you're Paul Thomas Anderson, where I guess every time you're out you make a masterpiece?

Right, how many groups more lucky to make one masterpiece?

That's true?

You know?

Uh?

And I get that this was just like the mag TV guy for a while, so like he surpassed what anybody thought was going to happen for his career.

And I also think once he became Jordan Peel, yeah, all these roads opened up to him and I haven't seen him walk down those roads yet necessarily, so to me, it was like a bit of a career advice column.

It's, you know, don't be shy about So I got some feedback on some of my suggestions, and it's like, listen, he's never gonna do I Am Legend.

He would like to do his own I Am Legend essentially and create an ip like that.

He's not gonna do Kobe Bryant.

That is not what he does.

Gremlin's Three, I think is a distinct possibility, even though you know that, even though Chris Columbus is technically directing that movie, I think Warner Brothers is open to other conversations.

The one, the one suggestion that people really seem to like, though, was the Departed series.

Like the Parted is a great title that Warner Brothers is sitting on.

It's a great piece.

He if you could flesh that world out in a TV show.

And you know, not everything Peel does has to be about black characters, but if you if you did The Departed from Almost from almost like a black Irish perspective.

Yeah, I think like Peel would be really good at making a crime movie or series.

So maybe TV is the answer for him to go do a cool TV show.

Well, I mean you look at look at get Out.

It was made for five million and it made two hundred and fifty five million, right, and then you look at Us it was made for twenty million and made two hundred and fifty six million.

And then you look at Nope, Nope with seventy as I said, for one seventy one.

So yes, the numbers have gone down, But I think he kills it when he works in smaller budgets and maybe that's the place he has to go.

But I agree with you.

I also think he's incredibly intelligent guy.

You watch him interviews very well, very like I don't know, just he offers some really interesting points of views and perspectives on things.

Why does it always have to be horror?

Why can't it be other things?

Like you said, like why can't it be crime?

Or why can't he direct the comedy?

For fuck's sake?

Like there's there's why just start doing more things.

You're an incredibly intelligent guy.

You can be successful across the board.

You can be the black Billy Wilder.

He's known for two genres.

I mean, like you said, yeah, not just horry.

He comes from a comedy background.

Why not try to, you know, reinvent the theatrical comedy, make go make the black hangover or something like that.

Again, it doesn't always have to be black, but I think it has showed a real commitment to putting black faces on screen.

Yeah, I just think I think he's possible.

I think he's got the talent to do multiple genres successfully.

I think maybe that's the challenge.

Now let's go try in new things.

But being gun shy to where you put all this pressure on this next thing, I think I could drive you insane creatively as a person.

So I hope he you know, I hope he comes back with something really great.

We definitely missed, you know, having him produced these movies is not exactly a substitute.

Yeah, look and because I've enjoyed all three of them.

Get out Us and Nope, I liked all three of those movies, so I want more from him.

But you know, if he wants to make money, it's a different situation.

All right, Let's get into these questions, Jeff, because we're running out of time here.

We've got twelve so far, so we haven't gotten to twenty five.

So there might not be any drag pictures on the on the photos for you guys, no photos there.

But let's get into these Vincent Spursino says, Hey, John and Jeff, who do you all have winning the box office this winter?

Avatar or Wicked?

Oh?

Good question.

I think Avatar, But Jeff, who are you at Avatar?

For sure?

Although I mean Wicked made seven hundred million dollars, seven to fifty million dollars, and it's been blowing up on peacocks, so people are catching it at home, so maybe maybe it'll run, but no, it'll be Avatar.

Vincent versus John headed to San Diego for a date weekend, and the lady wants to see one battle after another while we're there.

Where do we go see it?

In this division?

It's just a matter of finding an IMAX screen, yet you won't see it in this division down here.

I would stop off at Irvine and watch it at the Imax there if you're going to see it, the best Imax possible.

But if you come down here, probably the Grossmont is the best place to go see it in Imax.

But you can, I mean the one at the Regal Mirror Mesa or at the Mission Valley is.

Those aren't bad imaxes, so they'll do.

Let me.

Let me give you your money's worth for this question.

Don't let the size of the screen dictate you know, whether you see the movie or not.

Just go like that's why we go to see movies, just for the stories.

So I could watch it on like a twelve inch television and it would have just as much power.

I hope that you see it on a big screen and everything.

But just because it's not invistavision, don't be like, ah, I'm not going to see it then.

Yeah, your kids don't know, But like I grow up watching classic movies on twenty inch televisions boomtoobes twenty inch televisions, and I was still blown away by those classic movies in black and white sometimes, So if A movie is good.

A movie will be good no matter what screen you're watching on or how you watch it.

You know, I'm so frustrated people have to go deep in the weeds about this shit spoof.

A man says, saw One Battle after Another my first PTA film and absolutely loved it.

I'm curious.

Do you think the film's politics is why wb has had such a hard time marketing?

Jeff no.

I saw the movie and immediately came out of it and was like, Oh, that's why they had a hard time marketing it.

It's a hard movie to market.

I don't think the politics have much to do with anything.

So two hours and forty minutes, Bro, it's I.

Just it's a tricky cells.

It's pinch on, even though it's being builled as an original.

Yeah, I just wouldn't envy Warner Brothers as far as sailing it.

But I don't think it's necessary that the film's politics or anything.

I'll tell you when I go see Tam Whattlow on the run.

Jampapazs, I only know twenty five letters.

I don't know why.

Oh, very funny Ab Norris and all of Tom Pelfery's acting in Task.

Yes, Howe Is he not a megastar at this point?

Is there a director or franchise you see him working well with?

Well, Jeff, I don't think Tom Pelfrey is a guy that can become a megastar, but I think it can become a solid actor that everybody wants to work with.

I think he's a really good actor.

I obviously did the up and cover of the Month on him when I was at Collider, because again, guys, I have the eye.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

It's not some much studio friendlier critic or whoever, But it was me.

That's who God gave the eye to, and I haven't Tom Palfrey is fantastic, Okay.

I could see him having a John Burnfall level career.

Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred yeah.

Uh.

Alan Smith, Ali Smith, He says, the VistaVision print of One Battle after Another at the Vista Theater got stuck in the film gate yesterday and melted a frame or two of the print.

Holy shit.

Luckily it's safety film, which doesn't burn.

Night one issues.

Wow, Yeah, there you go.

You said it, Alan, Night one issues.

Uh, Robert, imagine that if like you're in the middle of the movie and the fucking film starts burning.

You're like, that's not good.

This is gonna be a delay.

What's that smell?

Robert G.

Kina says, do you fear most critics will be afraid to give their honest opinion on Stuckman's movie?

I just can't see them panning it if they didn't like it.

Well, I know I will if I didn't like it.

I don't know, don't think.

I don't think.

You know, people like Stuckman, but I don't think there's many of the legacy critics that are like Chris Stuckman, I gotta tell it, I gotta do an.

You know, he's an outsider.

Yeah, he's not part of the LA or New York cabal.

And maybe that's what makes him good is that he can think outside of this fucking bubble.

But no, I don't think that critics will shy away.

I think some may even have the knives out for him, and out of jealousy possibly.

Yeah, you know, I'm certainly curious about it.

But at the end of the day, it's a horror movie.

So how many pans is it really going to get right exactly?

Samo says, what what's you take on Smashing Machine.

Saw it Monday.

I have not seen it.

I'm seeing it on Monday myself or Tuesday rather, Jeff, your thoughts on Smashing Machine.

You've seen it yet?

I thought it was really good, but just a little anti climactic.

And I like the movie more when it was about Mark Kerr and Emily Blunt and less when it was about fighting gotcha oddly enough.

Fantastic, says Breaking News donation.

Thanks Roca, appreciate it, appreciate it.

Bobby Fergus said, what is your favorite and least favorite Leo Scorsese collaboration?

My favorite is Depatted.

These favorite is Gangs in New York, Shutter Island.

A second favorite movies?

Have they only done three of them?

My favorite is Parted for sure.

Yeah.

But like Wolf of Wall Street is really good, specifically DiCaprio too.

Like the movie I think gets to be a cartoon a little too often, but it is one of his best performances.

And the other one is Aviator, which is an incredible performance.

Yeah, I guess I would go Wolf of Wall Street Departed, You're only part of that because you're from Boston.

Uh, Then I'd go probably the Aviator.

Yeah, and then uh, uh no, and then what then I guess show Island Island, and then New York and then uh kills the Flower Moon, which I sadly thought was one of the most miscast performance he's ever done.

Yeah, I think that's the correct ringing.

Chelf President says, Could Amy Adams be Mara and her son and her lost son l O l Mara Jade?

No, I think that would be insane.

Doctor Nit says, Saudi Arabia invests into Google, Well, everybody invests into Google.

Welcome to the party.

Mister Arabia invested a lot of them.

Sure, they invest in the peanut butter that I consume every day.

I'm not trying to like I live my life Saudi Arabia free.

I mean I don't live my life China Free.

Doesn't mean I, you know, support communism.

There are some beautiful Saudi Arabian porn stars, you know.

Or it's like if they gave me a ring, I'd have to take that call.

But uh yeah, I don't think it's a blanket.

Saudi Arabia is Arabia.

Gift to Google.

It was like, come on, we were early up to no good.

Yeah, you know what we were gonna get you more.

All right, that's all the stream super chats.

Well, let's get to the stream labs.

Okay, how says?

How do you ignore Donald Trump's bs?

John for Jeff?

Trump doesn't believe in climate change, Trump won't apologize for the White House insurrection, Trump created ice?

Trump is thin skinned?

FCC and Kimmel, Why do you not hate him?

Last?

Your top three movies so far?

Oh yeah, that's way too much for that donation.

So I think we'll skip past all the Trump's up unless Jeff wants to speak on it.

But top three movies we do our end of the year stuff later.

So I don't know.

Do you want to give your top three movies yet, Jeff?

Or No?

Sure, it's I have to look it up.

It's Final Destination, The Ugly Step Sister and Together.

I still haven't seen any flaw.

None of the big fall movies, and I've seen quite a few of them, has me away yet?

Okay?

Uh uh?

Do you want to say anything on the Trump?

Time and move on?

We'll move on.

Okay?

What is there to say?

Like?

This is not not a good guy, but I also don't think he's hitler.

I don't think he' Hitler.

Yeah, that smart, though, Samuel says, what are your thoughts to on to Live and Die in La underrated film that just turned forty?

What is your favorite underrated cult film from the eighties?

Probably Thief Michael Man's Thief.

People don't talk about that film at all, and that is a fucking great movie.

And yeah, Living Die in La Dude, what a great twist that movie.

Do you remember that film?

Yeah, yeah, it's they're doing a double bill with that and Manhunter, Like, oh my god, like she is in my pants Manhunter.

I don't know that I'd call it Man Hunter underrated, but it is an amazing, amazing movie, certainly one of the eighties movies I've seen more than any other.

Well sounds that Lambs just came out and kind of buried that one right, and then Red Dragon, which was essentially Yeah.

And Nanthony Hopkins wins the Oscar and then he you know, he kind of just takes over that character in popular culture.

Not that he has a huge role in Manhunter, but to me, yeah, William Peterson and Manhunter and Robert Forrester and Jackie Brown are like if I was a grown up, those are the goals, and I realize I'm probably older than William Peterson's character was in Manhunter, but like, I don't think of myself as an adult.

I think of myself as stuck at twenty nine perpetually.

Yeah, like he is, he is his will Graham and Man Hunter, that is, he is a sexy motherfucker in that movie.

Yeah, I mean, like I was of age when that film came out, and you know, you're younger than I am.

And I remember that Peterson had this reputation that he had a very healthy belief in himself and he thought he was going to be like one of the big stars, like he really did.

And I mean when you do Living Down in La and you do Man Hunter, you do these like and this is Michael Man, who is still in creating amazing films even up to now.

You think this guy's you know, he's he understands you're amazing.

He's put you in the lead of his movies.

But it never really worked out for William until CSI.

And I know CSI isn't what he wanted to hang his hat on.

He wanted to be like one of the top guys that worked for decades, you know, But in the end, it didn't work out that way.

But yeah, you can see that all over.

Manhunter.

He's so great Manhunter, you know.

And and the truth is he brings that same intensity to Fear.

Fear is such a great wall film.

Yeah, such a great movie.

Like it's better than one battle after another.

I don't give a funk with people think of me for saying that.

Wow, I will take Fear over one battle after another and times a week.

Oh okay, there we go.

You know you can always count on one.

Jeff Maddening take, I have a completely different cannon than other people.

I mean, here is almost a perfect movie.

Wow, wow, give me back by Reese.

All right.

Fred Testa says, good morning, Hot Mike, showing support from my guys.

Thank you.

Fred is going to the beginning of James Bond from Amazon.

The new things studios are doing because other ips have had success like Aliens and Predator.

I have mixed feelings about this, Oh yeah, because they're going to they're going back to before he even joined m I six, where he's working in the military.

That's the rumor that he's in the Special Forces and that's how they pick him out.

So they're going back to like super prequel days with him.

So, Jeff, do you think that's the new thing studios are doing?

And Amazon paid billions of dollars for this character, why wouldn't you give him a completely different origin story?

Right?

You want to build him in the mythology from the ground up.

Yeah, I don't understand like the coming in like Superman right where like when media res and he's already been around a few years.

No, I think if you're doing Bond, you go back to the beginning.

Yeah, yeah, go back to the veganny VIENI said, Blu Ray Daddy says, I love you both dearly.

And my only complaint is that I need even more John Roger content.

Okay, as a movie content creator, how do I push through the negativity I received just being myself?

Also?

I need the centophiles to cover Sunset Boulevard please.

Yeah, we we've definitely talked about covering Sunset.

We'll probably do it next year because our years already stacked out for cine files.

As for more John Roger content, You're probably right.

I've been kind of dropping the ball the last few weeks because I've had some mental health issues that I've been dealing with the last three or four weeks myself personally off of camera, off Mike, and so it's made me hesitant to do shows.

So that's on me.

I should have totally covered the Charlie Kirk stuffing all that stuff, so I just have tough time.

So we've got some breaking news.

Okay, go ahead.

I'm sorry's in the middle of talking about myself, but go ahead.

Yes, what's the breaking new.

No, I didn't mean to interrupt your your mental health speech.

Now, go ahead, what's your thing?

All right?

Coming on October ninth, twenty twenty six.

Okay, Sony Pictures will release The Social Reckoning.

Which is part two the Social Network sequel.

Social Network sequel, it is called it is called a companion piece, not a sequel.

Okay, and yeah, it's called The Social Reckoning.

Interesting, okay, Mike Madison, Jeremy Allen White, who will Jeremy Allen White will play Jeff Horwitz.

Mikey Madison will play Francis Hougen.

Oh yeah, we're is a an original character.

And then Jeremy Strong confirmed to play Mark Zuckerberg.

Wow, Okay, there you go.

It's confirmed.

All these things we'd heard about the past, they are now confirmed officially.

I mean that's a good cast.

I mean, Mikey looks nothing like Francis Hogan, but okay.

Right, I know she's she seems young.

Emerald Fennel would have been the better choice if you're gonna go with an actress.

I know she's a director too, but an act she looks much more like Francis than Mikey.

But now she looks.

It's he has a much better.

Actress that you want to get the eyes, I know.

Who cares how people look.

That's what they have to make up in prosthetics for Bill Burrs is interesting.

Now he's going to fit into things.

But I could see him playing an editor, a newspaper editor, maybe Jeremy Allen White's editor.

So oh that's possible.

Yeah, I could see that one hundred percent.

There you go, all right, what else have we got here?

But oh, how do I push through the negativity?

How do you guys put it?

You just have to keep doing it, that's all.

You just have to keep doing it.

That's how you push through.

Jeff gets all kinds of shit and he pushes through it, still puts his newsletter out.

You just have to keep doing it.

You have to love doing it, ignore the fucking haters, and just keep doing it, because there's way more people watch or listen to your shit than hate your shit.

MDJ says, now the Call of Duty film has ended up a paramount?

Is it beyond the realm of possibility?

To see Taylor Sheridan involved in some form?

Could be interesting?

Surely he will come back to feature films at some point.

Yeah, Jeff, do you think Taylor Sheridan Call of Duty makes sense?

I think it'd be unlikely.

I think they kind of want him doing what he does best, which is making TV.

You know.

I think it would be cool, Like he's obviously written some cool screenplays that have real like machismo behind them.

But for some reason, I just don't see him getting that franchise unless they really need to blacate him or something.

Yeah.

Uh, by the way, uh, Tulsa King out now enjoyed the first episode.

Its also thing is like a show you watch like when you're folding the laundry or you're playing on your phone.

Like it's not going to demand a lot of you.

This isn't Lioness, this isn't land Man.

It's a much more like you know, fast food type of approach to Taylor shared, but I enjoy the shit out of it.

Him and Grillo are great, and bringing in Kevin Pollack has been fantastic, Rick says, John and Jeff do you think eventually Apple will buy a Hollywood studio?

And is Apple really gonna co and is Apple really going to co finance the film adaptation of Michael Mann's novel Heat two.

I don't think.

I don't know why they buy a movie studio?

Just become one?

Why don't have to buy one?

Right?

Yeah?

I don't really see them.

I don't really see them acquiring one either.

I think if they could have done that a while ago, and now they're already gone far enough down the road where it's like, let's just build one, I mean literally could build Apples, a company known for innovating, Like I don't.

I don't think that innovation is just acquiring what another company did?

Uh?

Do I see them doing Heat two?

I mean it sounds like that's kind of the plan, but it doesn't really align with the other movies that they make.

I think, HM, Like that's what has me a little skeptical.

But yeah, I understand that Warner Brothers went to them as a co five partner after F one and everything.

Yeah today, says Jon and jeff Any Marvel X Men reboot update, and I think Chase Infinity will be an excellent choice for an X Men character.

I've hearn anything.

Yeah, she would be and like again, that's the age that they want some of these characters to be.

They want them to be a little bit younger and some to be a little bit older.

I think you're right, like she is somebody who I would bet on.

So we'll see.

But no, I haven't.

I haven't heard anything new on X Men.

It's the same murmors other than Dickinson is.

Out, so that's what you're hearing now.

Yeah, I don't think he'll be cyclops.

I just think he'll be too busy.

Sounds good, Uh, purple Man says on the subject of blood Money, I want to go to China next year, but China has been accused of genocide by the human rights groups.

Would I be a scumbag if I go?

Well, no, because you're going to visit, you're not going to represent the nation.

It's a difference, right, Yeah.

Yeah, I just you know, I think go enjoy a trip.

Excuse me A trip to China, go see the world.

Yeah, I would visit Moscow in a heartbeat if but it's got nothing, but it wouldn't be I'm supporting Pooton or anything Alle Smith.

He says, I worked on the aviator providing historical footage that was in the film.

You're welcome.

Oh thank you, Alan, A very kind of you.

Director Shane Black of Ironman three said Rdijay's portrayal of Doctor Doom will reinvigorate the comic book movie industry thoughts.

My thoughts are that Shane Black is a big fan of Robert Downey Junior, and he just propping his friend up.

And there's nothing wrong with that, but that's ridiculous that it will reinvigorate the comic book movie.

And I think that Doomsday in general will reinvigorate the comic book movies or sink it genre.

No, I think it'll be absolutely huge.

But like you know, when you say reinvigorate it, like are we going to see other people do that kind of stuff?

Are we going to see you know, Robert Pattinson playing his own villain or something?

You know, Like I don't know, I don't know if that will Hope hopefully that won't be the takeaway.

We'll see though, We'll see.

All right, that's all the questions, Jeff.

If there's nothing else, I think we can wrap up the show an there's you want to talk about or put out there?

Are we good?

I guess nobody gets to see me in drag this week.

That's that's a loss for you guys.

Honestly.

Yeah, maybe you should try a try to get Akabe.

I mean he did, right, I thought he.

I thought I reported on those talks Jordan pill try to get it.

Yeah, Okay, I.

Think I did work out eras just Uh, it's a tough one to crack, I think, without without casting like an Asian cast.

Yep, exactly, And I think that's why people have steered away from it for as long as they have anything to say, you know, John, is anything we want to talk about?

Like?

Well, I'm good.

I want to get to my one battle after another screening.

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Is that your No, we didn't get to twenty five.

He's right up there.

He's my ponytail.

Do you believe that I had a ponytail once?

Once?

Yeah?

And as with the centophiles.

We dropped part one today of forty year Old Virgin, our breakdown of that movie, diving into all the sexual politics in that movie.

It's an incredibly well written film.

Had a fun conversation, so we'll go and listen to that, all right.

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