What's up, everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of The Hot Mike Here on the soon to be John Roki Channel.

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Jeff's Nida.

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But Jeff, we'd be remiss not to start with a little bit of sad news.

Of course, this news happened today or broke today.

Malcolm Jamal Warner fifty four years old really just not I mean, like that is just so young nowadays.

Sadly passed away a result as a result.

Of an accidental drowning while he was vacationing with his wife and daughter in Costa Rica.

The reports are that he was caught by a high current in the ocean and died of his fixion.

Of course, all of us know him from playing theo Huxtable on The Cosby Show.

He was also in a few movies like Drop Zone to Skegee Airman, Fifteen Minutes Fools Gold.

But then you know, became a main character a number of sitcoms like Malcolm Eddi Read Between the Lines and Along shows along with shows like Sherry Ten Days in the Valley, and then had recurring roles in suits American Crime Story Community, one of my favorite recording roles of his major crimes, Sons of Anarchy, American Horror Story, Sneaky Pete, and nine one one.

So Jeff a sad loss.

Here Your thoughts, your reactions, your feelings about Malcolm Jamal Warner Here.

I mean I was bummed when I saw this.

Yeah, THEO.

I mean, you just read off a whole bunch of credits.

But at the end of the day, yeah, this is THEO right, And you know, there was no inclination that he was sick or anything like that.

To hear that he got you know, caught by a wave or swept into the ocean or whatever, I mean on a family vacation in Costa Rica.

Terrible, just tragic.

And yeah, like you said, only fifty four, way too young.

I love The Cosby Show.

Like I know, it's not cool like The Cosby Show anymore.

He has a Bill Cosby and his legacy, but that was such a great show and I watched countless episodes after school and he was amazing on that show.

And so was heartbreaking.

Is either like this is how you know the ends?

Yeah, you know we find I found out about this news on the Christian Harlow Show live, like we reacted to it live.

It was pretty heartbreaking.

And I've had a few friends reach out to me already today who are around my age, who were like, I can't believe this is such a shock.

This guy was such a big part of our childhood.

Growing up and you know, he's one of those rare actors, Jeff that started out as a child actor, clearly as a younger actor, and was able to keep working, was able to keep popping up, was able to do stuff, even had a podcast, and certainly when he appeared, he was always delivering good work.

It was always fun to see him, and grew into this man and had a wife, kids.

You know, he was living a good life, it seems like, and just got caught up sadly in a current here and just a random thing.

How people die sometimes and it's just heartbreaking.

And I liked that he defended the show even after all the stuff and happened with Cosmy.

He's like, the show is still important.

He may be a terrible person with what he did allegedly, but the show is still important to show upwardly mobile black people in the night fineteen eighties, a doctor and I think she was a lawyer, and the kids and what they dealt with, and our show still speaks to the upward mobility of black people, and I think that's an important part of the legacy of.

His performance on the show.

So, yeah, it's a shame.

It's other shame.

Yeah, I mean they dealt with a lot of We watched Malcolm grow up in front of our eyes really on that show, and they did deal with a lot of you know, tough issues, particularly through his character because he was the only Huxtable.

Son, right, that's a good point.

And yeah, we saw his friends, like I mean, Adam Sandler was one of the friends, right, right.

You know, so that showed birthed a lot of careers and though I admittedly did not really keep up with Malcolm Jamal Warner's career after the Cosby Show.

Yeah, that's a piece of TV history, and he'll.

Be missed absolutely in our prayers and condolences out to his family and his friends of course, and all of us who are fans of his work.

You know, there's no easy way to transition out of it.

We got to transition out of it and let's move wanted the big story here.

Jeff Kevin Feigey gave a lot of interviews all over the weekend with Fantastic four coming out.

He talked about a seven year plan.

He talked about how they were pumping out too much content and it was quantity over quality.

Even though he was in charge of the whole time, he confirmed the film output for Marvel is slowing down to just only three films a year with one live action TV show.

He says they have no intention to changing their approach to filmmaking.

He talked about resetting the msued a singular timelines, talked about not unlecessarily rebooting, just kind of honing everything a little bit more, and made it very clear that some of these characters are not going to make it back.

He also talked a little bit more about Blade and talked more about the X Men.

So what did you think of all about all of this?

Is really interesting to drop this on a Sunday, right before we get into Fantastic four week while Superman has crossed over four to Mandello's globally, what do you think of these comments and these answers and his responses to these questions.

I mean it's a mix.

Yes, I wish I had my phone in front of me.

I definitely got some texts that were like what a nothing burger of an interview, like a lot of headlines in which he manages to say not a whole lot.

Honestly, the most interesting thing I thought that he said was when he talked about his contract end n.

Yeah, he did say, like this has been the talk around the studio that moving on, transitioning, you know, succession plans.

I mean, I think Kevin Fagy is the most successful producer in the history of Hollywood, and he can do what ever he wants.

And if he wants to continue to reboot the MCU and recast his old friends, that is up to him.

But like I've kind of been saying, wouldn't shock me to see him leave after X Men is re established in the MCU, I feel like that is sort of a great way to sign off and move on to greener pastors, because you can't.

You just can't keep doing it as your entire career, can you unless you really want to?

You mean, what being one brand?

Because he made it very clear that he still wants to continue making big movies for the rest of his life.

Yeah, No, I mean, he's a natural filmmaker and everything.

It's just, you know, I'm sure there are a lot of other opportunities, opportunities where he'd get more responsibilities, more you know, a bit more power essentially.

I mean I've always heard that he wanted that Alan Bergman roll or whatever at Disney.

Yeah, that would kind of give him oversight of everything, not just Marvel.

So yeah, just interesting to hear him allude to his own contracts situation when I don't really feel like maybe he was asked about it seemed like it kind of came out of the blue, but I wasn't in the room.

Isn't that funny?

I mean, that's and that's the sort of I'll admit that it's, you know, maybe out of jealousy or whatever, but that's that was my first reaction to this is it's like the whole Oh, we invited a group of select journalists to the studio to have this conversation.

Okay, well what I wasn't invited?

And you know why I wasn't invited because they're afraid.

They're afraid of the questions that I'm going to ask, Right because I know more than probably most of the people who are in that room lapping up whatever answers Kevin has to give them.

So it's like, Hey, if you don't want me to question things, then put me in the room.

But until they do, I thought it was a cowardly move on his part, A cowardly move on Marvel and Disney's part.

I mean Disney pr has been fucking atrocious.

If you're looking at the level of journalists that they're allowing to interact with the Fantastic forecast.

Oh yeah, oh my god.

Yeah.

I mean it's it's they're just embarrassing themselves.

It's not that it's not just like the journalists are being themselves.

Yes, right, yeah, they're doing what they You knew that they were going to do.

It's your fault for letting them in the door.

Okay.

I may be what I am, and I may leak your plans and start rumors that don't prove to be acty, but at the end of the day, you know that when I'm with talent, I'm going to take it fucking seriously.

And they don't want they don't want that.

They want these clips to go viral and they want everybody, you know, passing these embarrassing clips around because it generates conversation and that, and that's the sad thing these days.

But I think it undercuts it too.

I said this almost yesterday, Like I said, like this, there's no interest from these interviews to go see Fantastic for You're not convincing one person to buy a ticket to go see fantastic from these train wreck interviews.

It just doesn't make sense, especially with you, Like you said, you put your talent on the spot and they have to react to this stuff without knowing what's going on.

And you're asking using the C word, which I know in some countries is not a big deal, but like still bringing it up in a thing, and then you're going is he a daddy?

And you're like trying to get him to come out like it.

To me, it's like it's nonsense some of the stuff that was going on in these interviews.

Yeah, and it's I'm so surprised the actors don't put their foot down and go, no, hell no, we have a union for odd How is this not being put out there that they're not going to be interviewed by these influences, these TikTok views, these clowns that they want to be interviewed by legitimate journalists.

It's just mind blowing to me.

I mean, and I realized I'm kind of on the outside looking in.

But if I was like, you know, Perry, who's a good reporter and you know, ask interesting questions of junkets, I'd be like, why you're giving junket teers the wrong a wrong name.

We already have it hard enough as it is.

Yeah, taking it seriously, this doesn't help matters.

So if I was one of the people at the junket, I'd be like, why are these other people here?

Right?

Right?

Right?

It's almost insulting because it's what I'm saying, like, oh, anybody can do an interview.

It's basically what you're saying, you know, and yeah, like I mean.

Listen, there are so many things here between foggy and gun that we can talk about.

Yeah, what do you want to what do you blade?

Stuff where it's like, well, we don't just want to like throw a trench coat on or you know, black leather jacket on, right, uh Mahershela And then having killed vampires, it's like, okay, well it's been like seven years, so like, I don't think that that's just like the problem.

You've wasted time and millions of dollars in development and what do you have to show for it?

And what is the plan here and to go?

But it's just like, why even do this unless you really have something to talk about, just saying yeah, we're still working on blade and yeah, Jake Schreer is directing X men.

It's kind of just like, what was the point of me coming up here to Burbank.

I think he made it very clear too, that he's gonna call a lot of these characters, even the Answllery characters like it was a hairstyle star Fox Shole, east Throne's Clay up Bright, Goldstein's Hercules.

He's like, check in with me in twelve years and see if they've come back, you know.

So it's very clear that they are setting up, as we've been speculating in other places Jeff as well, they are gonna cut a lot of these characters, a lot of these actors out of the MCU, out of Marvel, and maybe they'll come back if the storyline calls for it down the road.

But it's very that he's preparing everybody that he's going to start cutting like crazy and may even and that Dei comment I thought was a little hilarious, like, oh well, we were Marvel.

What you see out your window and it's like it's it's red conning history.

The first ten years of the MCU, people were complaining that it was just all white and there were hardly any characters of color, and if they were they weren't really massively important or their kind of caricatures to the overall stories.

Once until Black Panther that things started to turn around.

Maybe that's Ike Promrter Pumerdu's situation or whatever that he was on stopping it.

But to pretend like Marvel wasn't having this problem from the beginning, I think was a little hilarious.

But what are your thoughts on the Kang Doom stuff?

That's the thing that stood out to me that he would say, oh, we were already moving on from Kang before ant Man three.

I think that's a little disingenuous.

I mean, there were all these plans for animated stuff.

Bo Demeyo went crazy on Twitter call in them out for this stuff.

This was a little bit of red conning, right to save the to save face or save the brand?

Would I mean, I think so.

Granted, there were so many pieces.

I mean, I don't know who was in this room.

Yeah, there were so many pieces generated.

I didn't read them all.

Yeah, and that's why it's better to just have one piece from one good journalist rather than just an entire room.

You know, if you put ten people in a room and something happens You're gonna have ten different perspectives on what happened in the room.

Yeah, the King stuff.

You're right, it felt disingenuous.

It felt like an opportunity to rewrite history based on what happened.

This was one of Hollywood's biggest up and coming leading men.

You're telling me you were already like pivoting.

I don't.

I just don't buy it.

No.

The fact that he said that actor you didn't even say his name, which maybe a legal thing I don't know, but it was really odd to see that he would answer it this way.

Yeah.

I came out of this interviewee feeling like less like I like him, you know what I'm saying.

Like I've enjoyed him in the past, thought he was really cool and did the interview this is really playful and open about this kind of stuff.

Now it feels like this is a punch drunk fighter who still thinks he can get in the ring.

It's all corporate speak.

This is I mean coached.

Yeah, I mean, when you're not saying the name Jonathan Majors, that's because some executives, some PR executives sat you down and said, just refer to him as the King actor.

I mean it's just so Yeah, it lacks authenticity.

And that's the thing, like all these interviews, whether it's five Gear, whether it's it's Gone, and their whole thing is like, this is me being authentic, Like you're never going to get someone who sits down with you to just open up the books and chat like this.

Actually that's not what it feels like at all to the trained eye.

Yeah, what do you think about his comments about Miles Morales where he said, because some people have been clamoring for Miles Morales to become a live action hero in the MCU, and he was saying that is nowhere.

We've been told to stay away, that's his exact quote, until after the Spider Verse movies are done.

So that makes sense.

Yeah, that totally makes sense, Like, yes, you want to see Miles Morales, you come to the beyond this Spider Verse or whatever in two years and another three weeks now that it's been delayed further, well.

Being cagy like because I mean, Spider Verse, won't it be done by the time Secret Wars comes out?

So couldn't they technically.

Adhere to that by not debuting Miles Morales live action until Secret Wars, but that would come after Spider.

I don't know what the plan is with Secret Wars.

It seems like that's that's bringing things to ahead.

It Does it really make sense to introduce Miles Morales as we're bidding farewell to this, you know, saga.

I don't know if that's the right timing.

So I know the geeks are probably looking reading into that too much and being like, oh, well, technically Miles could still show up in Secret Wars.

I just don't understand why you would do that.

It did feel to me, though, Jeff, like he was like a YouTube comment or commenting on the MCU, when it's like you were in charge the whole time this idea.

Well, we realized it was quantity over quality was too much, That wasn't it.

It was the quality of your quantity, and that was the problem.

If you had had a bunch of TV shows and movies that were good, nobody'd be complaining, you wouldn't have any issues, you'd be feeling even You're feeling yourself even more and wanting to do more of this stuff.

So to me, I think this was he was like blaming the philosophy as opposed to the execution, and that felt a little bit like again brand saving, even job saving in a way, or legacy saving for Kevin figee that he doesn't have to take responsibility for the mistakes that were made during this time.

Rights right, Yeah, I mean you're you're you're right.

And that's the thing when whenever anyone's doing an interview, like they're looking out for themselves number one and to position themselves as the hero of their own story.

I don't think he's in any danger or any threat, no, no of losing a job or whatever.

But uh yeah, just like at first I was jealous that I wasn't invited to these interviews, and then I realized, you can't.

These interviews are not like who cares like he's not saying anything.

He's saying a lot with while saying nothing.

Yeah, so I don't really need to be there.

Do you believe that they have a seven year plan?

Do you think they have a seven year plan?

Seven year plan?

That just something thing?

Yeah, it feels like something you just kind of say.

I I don't know.

I think it depends on grosses and all kinds of stuff.

I mean, you know, once Secret Wars is done, they're going to turn their attention to X Men.

Obviously they're going to do Black Panther three.

Those are the two priority projects.

I do believe that, you know, we will be seeing more of Sasha Baron Cohen's Mephisto.

Yeah, you do think so, even though it's in a show that wasn't that well watched or well received overall.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that necessarily matters.

I'm sure that we'll see Mephisto again in some way.

Uh, you know, when and when he talks about like recasting, it's like the recasting of everything.

You know, who's going to be recast?

David corn Sweat is going to be recast as Superman eventually, isn't he?

I don't know, why are you saying that?

Why would you think that?

What do you mean that this is the natural progression of things eventually down the road, And whoever is the new James Bond is also going to be recast.

These aren't permanent positions.

So when he says, you know, we're gonna be recasting, I think he's talking about Iron Man.

I think he's talking about Captain America.

Those characters were clearly you know, they're we've we've seen their stories already.

But like you know, doctors, I'm sure they're going to keep some, you know, like Bennity Cumberbatch, and I mean there's gonna be a whole uh let.

Me probably Hemsworth.

Probably Helmsworth as thor.

No, you don't think so, you think he'll he'll be gone.

Okay, I think it's time for him to say goodbye.

Tom Holland's probably gone.

I'm sure he's been trying to leave that for a bit.

Uh Okay, I'm yeah, like okay, Tom Holland, sure, Ben Indicomer, I don't think that like they'll force Macky to give up the shield, right.

Florence Pugh is someone they're gonna build around.

Uh.

Letitia Wright I think is still gonna obviously be a big part of those Black Black Panther movies.

So you know, it's not like everybody's getting recast.

But yeah, the ogs who they started with, I think it's time to recast those roles in the next iteration or whatever.

And uh you know, I would I do wonder if they'll bring back Scarlett Johansson.

Oh yeah, potentially as like the next Nick Fury, like the position of the black Widow as the next Nick Fury of this.

So she can just kind of go in and out of these movies.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, that's very possible because a lot of people have been talking about having her come back.

So and she's a producer, she's not an EP right on something coming up, so why why wouldn't she be a part of it?

Is there anything else that.

Stood out to you from Figi's answers?

I feel like we've kind of touched on everything.

Anything you want to hit, Like the X Men saying that he wants to focus on young people.

That seems whoa wait you said wait, you said he's going to focus on young people.

That's wild, John, this is some earth shaking stuff.

I gotta get up to bank for the next one.

Come on.

Yeah, Like some of this stuff is just kind of no brainer shit.

All right, Well, let then let's move on to the other man in the equation here.

Let's move on to James Gunn, who was on Happy, Sad, Confused podcast with Josh Horowitz and gave about a lot of answers about the process.

Talked about how terrible it was to like go of Henry cavill and kind of alluded to the rock and the move that him and Jean McCalla at Sarah were trying to do.

There to take over DC.

But he also talked about.

Wonder Woman as being fast tracked and that it's not necessarily being fast tracked, but it's being prioritized.

Talked about all the other stuff that's going on in DC, the Batman stuff.

Clearly he's still on board of braving the Bold and said he considered the patents and thing, just reiterating that, but it didn't go forward.

So what do you think about these answers?

And then he gave another interview with Rolling Stone with Superman spoiler stuff and what have you.

But what do you think of James Gunn's answers to these questions throughout the interview and these other interviews he's done.

I mean, same deal as Kevin, just like saying a lot without saying much of anything.

Very noncommittal on all the Batman stuff.

I mean it's like, oh, I have someone in mind, but then who are still he still hasn't ruled out the patents and thing.

It feels like yeah, I mean, it's it's just what stood out to me.

I guess was just like the subtle shots at uh at Figee at the MCU at Reeves.

I don't know, just he just feels like a guy who feels like he can do everything.

I think.

Yeah, he said, like, you know, we don't go in without a finished script.

We're not doing it the Marvel way.

And of course Kevin fig said in his interview we've never caught him without a finished script, which is nonsense.

Right.

He likes the flexibility of not being tied to the script.

I mean, this is just like preposterous.

I mean, I commend James Gunn for that line of thinking.

And I'm also like, okay, well we've hired Anna and Aguera to write three of these movies, So yeah, like that, that's a lot of faith to have in somebody.

Either she's the best writer in town or you know, I don't know what the deal is with that.

This is someone who made like a short film and wrote a play, was mostly an actress before she's got all these DC gigs.

So I wonder what other writers are thinking about this.

Yeah, And what jeffsoluted to here is Anna Aguero was announced today as we're recording this, as the Umberto Gonzalez reported this in the rap that she who is she is the writer of Supergirl, she will now be writing the wonder Woman movie.

And right after he had said, well, we're not fast tracking it, but we are making a priority to announce the writer.

Or they didn't announce it, but the writer for a wonder Woman gets screen and I think he reinforced it or reiterated it on social media.

So I mean to me, if they are already.

Getting a writer here, Jeff, and clearly you sense, and you said this on another show, that they've possibly been already having these kind of clandestine meetings with actresses maybe kind of or with their representatives maybe in seeing if they might have interested seeing if they've got windows of time open to shoot down the road.

Do you think we're going to get an announcement for a wonder Woman very sooner?

Are we still kind of far off?

I think we're far off.

Yeah, OK, yeah, I don't think that that's something like you'll hear about it Comic Con.

Maybe you'll get a little taste of Supergirl, maybe like a SIS reel from super Girl.

I could see that, and maybe I could maybe see Gun revealing the title of the Superman sequel or whatever it is that he's working on next whatever he's directly next.

But I don't think you'll get any like, you know, substantial wonder Woman news right right, and again, I'm still working on the director list and and have a couple of other interesting tidbits that I've gotten here and there from the DC folks, but DC sources.

But uh, yeah, I I don't know, like he's I just don't like that he's front and center on this press store, especially after a couple of weeks where you know, America's had the chance to fall in love with David and yet we're still hearing from James before anybody.

What'd you think of his conversation about the him a Cavil situation.

I mean, because he essentially was saying that, like, it's a little weird.

You could look at it like he's throwing WB and Zaslav under the bus a little bit, because he was like, well, or even de Luca and Abdey possibly if they're still.

There's no question that there's tension between White Peter and Mike and Bam.

It seems like it, because why would he say we were righting, we were signing our deals and the next day they announced that Cavell is coming back, and that was an Abdeen de Luca decision.

Clearly, it went the rock went over Walter mot his head, got Abdien de Luca to sign off on it.

So why would he, like, why would he say that Zaslov.

And Savron and him were in the same room working out the deals, they had signed their deals and had decided on direction, and then the next day they announced this stuff.

It's to me it's an attempt to kind of low key undercut the power of Abdeen de Luca and maybe like embarrass them a little bit, even though.

They've been on a little bit of a run here this year with I.

Don't think everybody's on the same page up there.

I don't know that Casey Bloy is at EAHB is on the same page as James Gunn, you know, Like I think the d C stuff on the TV side has been slow going.

Yeah, and that's because the d C stuff doesn't really fit with the HBO brand necessarily.

And yeah, it wouldn't shock me if gun had to go over Casey's head, you know, to push stuff through on the on the DC side.

Yeah, I wonder if we'll get any lanterns at Comic Con.

I'd be surprised, but maybe you'll get like a quick tease.

Do you think he even shows up or do you think it'll be on video?

Gun Yeah, I have no idea.

I feel like he's just gonna do a video.

He's not even gonna show up.

But what else is there left to say after you're doing all the you know, spent the last month doing interviews with everybody.

Well, I mean, Peacemaker is coming out, that's it.

They're gonna have a panel, and he's the guy that made Peacemaker, so I would think he'd be there, but maybe not.

Maybe they'll just be Sena and whoever the moderator is for that panel, uh, and some of the actors and some of the writers or rather directors or whatever.

I don't know, but it's it'd be odd if he wasn't there.

I just love that Rolling Stone has become like his fucking the New Messenger.

Well because for him, James Gunn, who was into the punk rock and the music stuff and all that shit, Rolling Stone represents that, right, I mean, to him, that's like the cool music magazine.

And they talked whenever they talked about film, it was cool to have your film stuff in the music magazine, So to me, it makes sense that he would run to Rolling Stone on this kind of say.

Rolling Stone ain't the rolling Stone that you or I grew up with, and it's film coverage.

I mean they're completely irrelevant in the film space.

That's fair.

So I don't I don't really understand.

It seems like the kind of place, like an entertainment weekly that you know is good for you know, stenography, but is never gonna ask the tough questions or push push on certain things.

So yeah, yeah, I think it's basically like going to a trade without having the appearance of going to a trade, even though it's owned by the same person who owns all the trades.

Yeah, what about the rumors that there's a Jimmy Olsen series here?

This was kind of broken over, not broken but like it was revealed on social media that from DCU licks at our d c U leaks that Jimmy Olsen series might be a crime anthology series focusing on different DC villains.

And I love it.

I thought he was great Skyler as Jimmy Olsen.

I really liked the idea, like look at what's hot around the town, like crime Anthologies.

Yeah, so for Jimmy Olsen to sort of host almost what I imagine remember Natural Born Killers.

Robert Downey Junior hosts that show.

I mean imagine if it was that hosted by Jimmy Olsen.

The only problem is, like how how serious is it?

Because he's kind of a comedic character crime anthology.

I mean, you'd have to take that kind of seriously.

And maybe that's what's interesting about the show is is this contrast.

But I think that's an interesting idea and I would absolutely watch that as opposed to Ironheart, which I have no intention I've ever seen.

I just wonder if that belongs on HBO.

Oh, like, where do you put that?

Jot that's an HBO Max show that feels like a Max show.

Yeah, And I don't know if that's the thing that all DC shows are going to be on HBO now, But I mean I don't think Peacemaker.

Is right, Yeah, it's on HBO Max.

Yeah, and that's what this Jimmy Olsen thing will be.

If they managed to strike gold with a penguin, you know, then I could see that being on HBO.

Lanterns is going to be on HBO like the bigger budget things.

I see you're making the delineation between HB.

Yeah, exactly.

Not everything is an HBO protect some are just max.

I also think this is fascinating.

When he was talking about the Lanterns grounded thing, he basically revealed there's going to be no green lantern core in Lanterns.

It's going to be a terrestrial show, very clearly grounded, and for that reason, so I think he's preparing people because people keep thinking there's going to be like the Guardians of Oh, and there's gonna be And even Nathan Fillian came out and said that I have no no scenes with Kyle Chandler in the show, So what it seems like it's gonna be a very limited participation of Guy Gardner in Lanterns overall.

So this is I feel that he had.

It's interesting he had to address this.

I feel like they're like, it's scret I mean, I know too much about Lanterns.

I feel like they keep going up to the line and then backing away from it.

But you've got you've got Guy Gardner being like, I don't have a lot of any scenes with Kyle Chandler.

You've got gun or whoever being Like, this is a show about Aaron Pierre and John Stewart's story.

Do the math on that, folks, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, a story, it's an earth bound story.

It is set on Earth.

There's no need to like flash back to the other planets or wherever the fucking core is centered.

This is an earth bound story and it is very much John Stewart's story.

Oh wow, okay, yeah, yeah, well no surprise.

That's why you cast someone like Aaron Pierre who is on the come up and is the hot flavor right now, and you know it's not gonna you're based on Kyle.

Kyle was the hot flavor for a bit.

Now it's Aaron Pierre's story, for God's sake.

But what do you make Let's go back to this.

What do you make of this Anna and Aguera coming in to write.

Is this just the only person he trusts to write the women in the DCU?

Like this is an interesting situation, Like does he know, well, at least she's gonna you know she Like, I know, people get mad, we want to say this, but like I can work with her and she understands how to treat me.

Respectfully and she's not trying to step on my toes or take anything from me.

And I think that is a big part.

I mean, if she was like the world's greatest writer, why hasn't she even hired anywhere else?

Yeah?

How come she's not being hired to write all these other ten polls by these other studios.

I think it is like, hey, we have a shorthand you know, I respect her take on these characters.

We've talked at length about, you know, my vision for the DC universe, and she's going to execute that vision.

Yea.

But yeah, I was surprised that that it was her for sure.

Yeah.

It's an interesting choice because it's just you're getting one one, like one writer's voice for all of these characters.

I have some, I mean, and that's the thing, and they're different kinds of characters.

So I'm just a little surprised.

But I do have some tidbits in the newsletter that will maybe shed some light on why they're going with her again.

Oh okay, all right, fair points.

Encouraging, encouraging news and signs.

That's good.

That's good, And it seems like this wonder woman will be separate from the Paradise.

We're not we're going to see that, are we?

Do you think we're going to see that series?

Yeah?

I think potentially.

Yeah.

Okay, it seems like nothing's happening on that, so I don't know how much we're going to see on that.

I mean, it's hard to say what nothing's happening on?

Right?

Is there nothing happening on Booster Golder?

Is there nothing happening on Waller?

It's true?

Uh yeah, I wish somebody would pin him down a little bit, right, But he doesn't want to be challenged.

That's why he talks to the press that he talks to, why he goes to Rolling Stone.

That's true.

I mean Rolling Stone is like, it's just like flat out not an insider.

They know the person at Rolling Stone knows as much as Joe Schmo in Kansas.

Yeah, And if that's what you want to do your interviews with, that's fine.

But yeah, I think a real industry reporter would know what to ask and know what buttons to push.

Wow, fair point, all right?

Anything more you want to say on the James Gun with Kevin Figey situation or have we kind of talked to not really?

This is pr right, this is all just part of a plan put together by a publicist, executed by the PR Department.

Right, this is uh and just didn't find anything terribly illuminating to come out of these two sessions.

Someone felt that Kimbo was reading I was reading somebody was saying, like, well, there's a hesitation.

When he was asked about the Alan Richson Batman, do you think it's possible that, like not, it wouldn't be the standard Batman because if you're doing a Brave in the Bull Batman, that's a Batman's a.

Little lighter and it's a little not necessarily out of West.

But I think he could handle lightness.

Yeah, So what I'm saying, do you think I felt like they were insinuating that it seems to be more of a possibility than maybe it was before, that it could be Alan Richson playing Batman, that version of Batman in James Gunn's universe, whereas the Robert Pattinson is something else.

You think now it seems like that could be more possible than before.

No, I don't think anything has changed.

I think he's, like he said, you know, there are some people who I think about from time to time with what they might look like in the cape and the cowl or whatever.

I don't think.

I don't think he knows what he wants to do yet.

I think it'll be interesting to see how the Batman two performs.

And I'm just.

Again, I was talking about it in basketball this week.

Now that the guys that had a chance to see Superman, you have an actor everybody likes the Superman.

You have an actor most people seem to like as Batman.

What are we doing here?

Why are we adding another Batman to the mix?

What if we don't like that Batman?

What if he doesn't compare to to Benson's Batman.

I mean, it's just I think Warner Brothers needs to pick a lane.

I understand, Well, if if we pick a lane, then we then we're waiting on a Batman movie every two years, three years, four years.

Whereas if we have to Batman, we get, you know, more Batman movies, and that seems to be pretty lucrative.

But more Batman all the more Batman all the time.

Yeah, to me, it just takes away from what you're trying to do with this universe.

Either build a universe or don't.

There's no Marvel else worlds, you know, and I think if there had been, it would be fucking confusing.

So that's the thing that's as fascinating about go back to the cabal thing.

That was what was fascinating to me, Like, what would have happened if Black Adam had been a hit?

What would have happened if Shazam two had been a hit?

What would have happened if the Flash came out it had been a hit.

Would James Gunn have been forced to create his universe and de Luca and Abdy would have essentially been assigned these Snyder characters to create that universe?

Would we have seen in else world's universe from the Luca and Abdy and a main universe from.

Gun I feel like he would have never stood for that.

I think would have eventually tried to kill that other universe in some way shape.

I mean, I want the audience to dictate what we see, right, you would think, and you know the problem with this universe stuff is that it puts too much power in the hands of one guy, and it puts you too far down the path in a certain direction.

So like, okay, the Superman movie is doing okay, But what if it did poorly.

Then you know, what if it just like flat out bond, which it didn't, but what if it did, do we just continue because well we have this you know, contract with gun in this relationship.

I mean, I just think the universe stuff is like so ten years ago hmm, already outdates, already aging and showing us wrinkles.

So yeah, I mean, Fig, he's desperate to get I mean, Fig couldn't can't wait for sicret Wars to finally screen so he can be done with the multiverse.

You can tell if Figi's in that place of like just two or three more years.

Man, I don't want to deal with this shit anymore.

We can go onto the Mutants and I can mess around with all of that.

You can just tell.

So it's ironic that James gun is coming up right behind him with this whole universe that he wants to do.

And I just think as I was reading the article, it just struck me like it would have been fascinating to see, like a speaking of other worlds if in another world those films were great.

I wonder if James Gunn would have stepped down, would have not even done his Superman because it had been like I'm not competing with the Snyder characters, because then the Snyder Verse people would have never shut up, like it would have gotten even louder the Snyder and then you had James Guns universe versus Snyder Verse characters.

Snyder Verse is such a small movement, like.

Well, it doesn't seem like the way people will react to it in the in the halls of WB.

Uh.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know where we're going down with.

I'm just saying I think it would have been fascinating to see what would have happened with that, but it didn't happen, so where we're at now.

But yeah, you mentioned Superman four hundred and six million dollars so far for two weeks.

It's not bad, Jeff, it's not bad.

But again, the show's over this weekend with Fantastic for it's gonna have a real steep drop has legs to hold on Internationally, it's still weak.

And again, when when you're talking about five fifty as if it's a billion dollars, there's a problem, right, Like we're gonna get to across four hundcross five hundred.

Okay, Well, cammon, when you hit six hundred.

I mean, this is Superman.

This is the crown jewel of the studio summer.

I agree.

I don't understand how the expectations have changed all because some articles said five hundred is the break even point.

Right again, anything under seven hundred, to a lesser extent, certainly six or to a greater extent six hundred, that's a disappointment.

I think it's fascinating, right because it's like.

The way he blamed sorry, the way he blamed, like, well, people don't like Superman.

He's like too, there's just too much anti American sentiment, all.

Right for the international numbers.

Yeah.

Yeah, It's like there's plenty of American movies that did pretty well.

F One is doing really well right now, and when Fantastic four comes out, those are American heroes that's gonna do well overseas as well, I imagine if it's good.

So yeah, I thought that was a little bit of a week week response because I mean.

This American thought.

It's on you, America.

If we had, you know, had a higher standing in the world, he would have done better.

I mean, Superman is not in red, white and blue, for god, He's red, yellow and blue and he's from another planet.

It's just like this idea that it's an American I get that it's an American hero, but the idea that it actually affected the box office, I think is a bit of a straw and argument.

Honestly, that just seems a little bit crazy for me.

Oh, I phone, no worries.

Yeah, of course, of course, but yeah, to me, it's just crazy to say that.

And yeah, it provides him a little bit of cover.

Oh, it's not my fault.

It was as America or Trump's Like, Listen, I'm not wanting to take away any fault on Trump, but this.

One I don't think he carries.

This one is absolutely just people didn't And look, the critics were coming after the film internationally, and I think that's reflecting what you see from the audiences overseas that they see that it's a little bit of a frivolous film.

It's not as good as they were hoping it.

Would be, and that's why the box office is weak for that.

And I agree with you treating five point fifty like it's a billion.

It's nonsense.

So two things can be true.

One, it's actually a disappointing return if it only hits five, five fifty.

I don't care, Like you said, I don't care how much they try to claim that it was it would be a great return.

But it has.

It has got people excited about the DC universe, at least domestically, and so you've accomplished that goal.

But don't try treating Superman like it's a billion dollar movie.

It did get good publicity, good press, people liking it.

It's great.

But you know, if it tops out at five, would God forbid less than five?

Then I don't know what we're talking about it.

I think it'll break five.

But yeah, I see some people talking seven, and I think that's insane.

I don't think seven is in the cards here.

I saw somebody tying eight.

I mean eight, healer, delusional.

People don't know how box office works.

John right, clearly, what about speaking of box office Jurassic World, I mean, what's the top on that, dude?

Six?

What's six point fifty?

Now?

What's the top here?

Seven?

Or eight?

It'll probably get to yeah, eight to fifty, nine hundred maybe Jesus Christ.

I mean, you know, but that is you know, some may think of that as a disappointment because those are that's a billion dollar franchise, and it's probably unlikely to crack a billion.

Yeah, but it's performing better than people thought and it's dominion.

Yeah.

I thought it would absolutely crash and burn, but it has performed better as for sure.

All right, let's move on to one more story here.

I was old Non, We're done with everything.

Anything you want to say on DC Marvel side, anything you want to reveal, any tidbits, anything you've heard in the wind, nothing right now.

I gotta I gotta save what little I have for the newsletter understood?

What about this news before we leave this show?

Jeff Adrir Jonah has been cast to replace Taylor Russell in the Thomas Crown Affair.

With Michael B.

Jordan, Taylor Russell having exited over creative differences shortly after filming.

Began in London.

It's so good that our Adria Jordan was just lying around waiting for a job and was able to take this.

What are your thoughts on this?

This feels like you had Adra on the speed dial for quite some time and we're like preparing her like, well, it doesn't where I'm Taylor, We're gonna jump on it.

What do you think of this man?

I've heard.

I've heard some things.

I'm trying not to be two gossip a year.

Okay, I think you guys can do the math whatever you're thinking, that's what happened.

Uh yeah, because it feels like to me they weren't happy with Taylor and they were trying to force her to walk away.

From the project so they can get Adria or Joan on it.

No, oh, what do you think it was?

No?

Okay, creative differences, John, we have created?

What do you what is that supposed to mean with an actress who's hired?

Like yeah, like she's like, I'm not going to read it this way or like that.

I think the scene should be this.

Yeah, that would be creative differences.

I don't think that's what's going on.

I mean, first of all, I think she was miscast anyways.

I don't read brilliant investigator from her.

And I also I think she's too small.

I think she's she still comes off like a girl to me, got a young woman rather than a woman.

Right, So what do you think happened?

What do you think happened?

I mean, I know what happened.

How about without telling you, I'll say it's a tail as old as time.

That's Beauty and the Beast.

I don't know what that means.

Tale is old as time.

Tale as old as time.

John in Hollywood, you don't want to put put this together.

I can't.

You know, sometimes I don't follow along.

You're you're more your thought patterns on these I think.

I think when you're making a movie, people get close.

Oh shit, maybe too close, oh shit, can spill over into things.

And I'll leave it at that.

That is what I think happened here, my friends.

Oh, Jeff does not have to confirm at all, but it sounds like to me what you're saying is that Taylor and Michael got together and it didn't work out, and now he doesn't want to work with her on the film, and so he goes and gets Adri r Jonah.

But clearly they had this as a backup plan for quite so you don't pull it.

You don't get an actress like this like over the weekend for Foxake.

I mean, I thought that was funny where it's like we're getting a ton of incoming calls of women who are throwing their their names in the rings.

I mean, I do think it was pretty sudden right there in the middle of shooting.

I don't think this was like, oh, we've we've planned this all along.

I think it was just clear that like there was some lingering residue, maybe some lingering resentments on people's side, and uh, yeah, that's listen, it's I think it also goes to show why, you know, as a director you need to, oh you hate a certain way points because there are repercussions.

Like the bound.

Yeah.

I'm really trying not to get too into the you.

Don't want to get caught with your HR person at a county.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

It's pretty obvious what happened here.

Wow.

Wow, all right, well, hey, neither one of them is married.

That's true.

Do you do you think it affects our Joan at all if they were to announce a wonder woman like it this is the way down the road you just said, it's.

Not you don't think that they're gonn announce anybody for a while.

So this is this is a good next step for her having worked with Glen Pale, having done and or now you're working with a hot commie like Michael B.

Jordan coming out of centers like this is good for a career.

Don't you think, yeah, it's good for her career.

If the movie is good, all right, good point stinks, then it's not good for her career.

I think it could hurt in the sense that it makes her more famous, which I think works against an actor.

Works against an actor when you're trying to cast him as a wonder Woman.

You don't want to be up looking at wonder Woman and being like, oh, that's the girl from Thomas Crown Affair.

Right.

Uh So, I think again, this is an interesting fan cast.

And to be clear, the fans got their way with David corn Sweat right.

Yeah, I fan cast him.

I have no problem with Adria r Jonah being fan cast is one.

I think she'd be great.

But at the end of the day, do I think it's going to be if I had to put odds on, like this is someone we know versus someone we don't know, I take the money on someone we don't know.

Okay, all right, I still think it's going to be Monica Barbaro, but you might be.

Right, it might be someone we don't know.

Yeah, I think Adria was good fan casting.

I just don't see that Barbara.

I just what too small.

It's the same size five seven is she?

Yes?

She towered over shallow?

Eh.

Yeah, I think you need an Amazon woman.

What are you gonna get get?

I don't think five seven is gonna cut it.

I think you need a six foot like a woman from like some fucking Greek island.

You need someone who can act that too.

That would be nice.

People would be nice people saying to Becky, I don't see that.

No, no, no, no, it'll be someone with dark features.

Oh yeah, that's why I saw all the reports of my Google alerts on my own name this weekend, where it's like Jess Snyder says, it will be a Mediterranean actress, it will be someone who looks Mediterranean.

I think it'll be someone with darker skin, olive skin, dark hair.

It's gonna be Elizabeth Debickie.

Yeah.

I don't think so either.

Yeah, So we will see, we'll find out for sure.

And that's that's just what I think.

I'm all for a Latina.

Uh super.

All right, Any last things, Jeff, did you get a chance to see anything over the weekend, anything you want to say?

Do you see the new Predator trailer that dropped to bad Lands?

You see that way?

Yeah?

Trailer looked cool.

I liked, uh, the predator just putting like half of the android and elf fanning on his back and carrying human backpack or an android backback.

The humor was good, her going okay, well, have fun on your journey.

I thought that was hilarious.

So the fact that they got a little bit of humor amidst all the badness that's going on things great as well.

If you if you did you see anything, you catch anything?

Oh, I caught some stuff whatever ari Astra was putting down in Eddington.

Oh did you like it?

Did you recommend?

It's okay?

That was okay.

It was better than Boe is afraid.

I hear the last fifteen minutes unravel.

Is that true?

Or would you say that's not one hundred act?

I mean unlike I'm not sure what you mean by the last fifteen minutes.

It gets like crazy violent at the end, and then and then it's like like a very bad things kind of ending.

Oh okay, but uh, it's it's it's a dark comedy.

It's it's not so much a Western as it is a dark comedy.

There was it was one of those movies where you're sitting in the theater and people are laughing and you don't know why they're laughing, right, and then maybe you laugh and no one else is laughing.

So are we a weird movie?

A movie that will have you saying what the fuck when you're when you're walking out.

I understood kind of what he was going for, and it was watchable.

It was certainly better than BO but I don't think it's anywhere on the level of his first two horror movies.

And I think he's yeah, it's it's a miss overall.

I think he's too two and two And the next movie will be the movie that that tells the tale of Ariaster.

Gotcha?

Gotcha?

Anything else, I'll.

Tell you what else.

Okay, I was gonna watch Amy Bradley is missing on Netflix right the new Netflix true crime thing, which is just you know, the Missing Lady of the Week.

Already finished.

It was good, it was okay, it was engrossed.

I put it on for two minutes and I was like, you know what, I want to watch something of substance.

Okay, this just feels like I'm watching it because it's in my you know, in the preview.

It's build on Netflix and it's new, so we went back and watched Quiz Show.

Oh, the original, the Rob Redford One.

Yeah, I watched it yesterday.

Yeah, just a really good movie.

Like they just don't make movies like that anymore.

That film, I'll tell you something, Jeff, I think its nineteen ninety four or ninety six, completely I think it's ninety four, completely underappreciated movie.

I remember seeing that movie and trying to tell everybody I knew who was into films, like to go see this movie.

This is arguably Redford's greatest film in terms of dialogue, direction, and performance.

Rob Morrow was never better in a film like it was.

Great of course in this TV show.

We don't have the exposure ever better in a film than he was in this film.

And this is secretly one of Torturo's greatest performances as well.

I mean, just the scene between even Paul Schofield and and Ray Fined when when he has to find a reveal what he did is devastating.

Man.

It is such a good film.

Yeah, all the performances were great, just so many great character actors.

Yeah, a fantastic him.

If you haven't seen it, I feel like it if today that was made, they wouldn't let John Turturro have a dead tooth.

It was tough to look at sometimes, but I you know, it made him a man of the people, made him in every mine.

That's not what the NBC corporation wanted anymore.

No, that was good.

I mean, Scorsese was damn good and Azaria as well.

I was surprised to see him.

I forgot that Scorsese had a fucking acting role in this.

It was wild.

Jaredital jaredal uh oh well, I saw, I saw untamed.

We written through that in two days.

The new Eric Banner Netflix series the same.

So good, so good.

It is not excellent like oh my God, Cataclystic, but it is damn good.

And I did not want to watch it like we put it on because we were having dinner.

I'm like, well, all right, we'll try an episode and just blaze with the first three, then watched the next three yesterday highly highly record.

I read that like thhr's review of it, because I watched the like the first thirty minutes and the first the opening was great.

I was like, this is one of the best openings I've seen for a show like this.

Oh yeah, but I for some reason I didn't keep going, and thhr's review was like, Yeah, the first fifteen minutes are kind of the best moment of the whole series.

I haven't decided whether I'll go back and watch that one, but your recommendation makes me think that maybe I will.

Yeah, try it out Amy Bradley though, that's the that's a good one to watch.

Yeah, I definitely recommend you to choose between the two.

I watched Amy Bradley for sure, all right, that's because I think that's yeah, because there's there's a couple of convenient things that happening on Tame.

They're like, look, if the show wasn't overall good, I might have an issue with this a little bit more.

But I'm cool with it because it's working for what I'm doing, and it's great to see Sam Neil.

I mean, look, Banna is going to be banned.

He's essentially playing like a clean Eastwood type character.

But I'm always happy to see Sam Neil do some interesting stuff.

And the woman who plays the actress who plays the young Latino that she he is schooling how to be a ranger.

She's great and I'd never seen her in anything, so I was really it was a nice discovery O highly recommend.

All right, well, there you go.

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We'll definitely have our main show a little bit later on in the week talking to probably all the comic con news that has dropped up into that point, So look for that a little bit later on this week.

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Jeff.

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