Hi.

I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

And what it's like to be siblings.

We are a sibling.

Railvalry, No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.

Vely, that's good, Ollie.

Have you done any Christmas shopping?

A little bit?

Oh so?

Behind Well, you're a very very busy person, so it's understandable.

I sent you a text yesterday because you want to know what I want.

And then I said, I'm gonna send, but you're not gonna like any of it.

I didn't look at it.

I didn't send it.

Oh well, then send it because.

I need a response before I send it.

Why won't I like it?

Here's the thing how, here's how it usually it works with you on Christmas.

It's like, what do you want?

And then I text you some things and you're like, that's boring, I'm not doing that.

I'm like, okay, no.

Yeah, no, that's I want to reel.

I want like six hundred, like deep water real.

I want a transducer, you know, so it's a transducer.

Don't worry about it.

Sounds like a sex you like take.

Trans that's a good.

I don't like that, so I know I'm not I don't even care.

I'm not getting it right.

I told you I don't send these things.

Really, what is a transducer.

A transducer is something that goes on the bottom of your boat.

I already have one.

It's what reads a sonar.

It's what reads the bottom and.

You want to fish.

It's still there's still time.

Oh really, And this transducer specifically, there's different frequencies, and this is the better one that I want to put on my boat.

So it reads the bottom and it reads targets better.

No, no, no, But there's another thing that's ten grand that I'll put on there too.

What is it.

It's called the seakeeper.

And the seakeeper is what replaces the trim tabs on your boat, and it stabilizes the boat so it doesn't bounce.

There's that that sounds like something for your safety.

That sounds good?

Oh?

It for sure is yeah, I mean I like that one.

It's definitely for safety.

A seakeeper.

I got you a seakeeper.

It's like I am your.

Seatkeeper, I guess.

So, Ollie, is it too early for you.

I know, we're waiting on Hugh Jacques.

Mom.

Well, while we wait, we just need to talk about The Whirlwind and that you have been on miss fucking Golden Globe nomination.

You know what I think they should do, you know they have like the actors, like the siblings.

Thought that was such like hostility.

Why don't you say?

What don't you say you should say?

Is say it like you're excited?

No, you know, I am excited for you.

I was the first one to call you in the morning.

I'm extremely excited.

The only thing I'm concerned about is like, who do you invite?

Because you only have one table.

I don't have a table.

I have one date.

That's it.

Yeah, Oh that sucks.

Well, maybe I go to the party afterwards.

They're definitely coming to the party a night.

Yes.

Anyway, Whirlwind, you barely have a chance to breathe press playing the gas.

And you know, it's been really interesting and important because this movie is so good and I really want people to see it in the theater, you know, and our industry has been very hard to predicularly when it comes to theatrical releases, and this is one of those movies that you're like, oh, come on, I really wanted to have great success of people make movies like this.

You know.

It kind of has that you know, touchstone like old touchstone movies, things like in terms of endearment or movies like moon Struck, and it kind of gives you that feeling like extraordinary circumstances real life, but you are like entertained and then you go through the gamut.

Yeah, I agree.

It's definitely a throwback when when I saw it, that was the first thing that came to my mind, is that we don't Hollywood doesn't make these movies anymore, you know, I mean, and they need to be made because they feel good, and like you said, it's the gambit of emotion.

It's fun, it's sexy, it's extremely well performed.

They're singing, you know.

And then for me, there is tragedy, no doubt, but it's not heavy handed, you know what I mean.

There's there's light within it, you know, you know that there's the outcome is going to sort of make you smile and cry at the same time.

Yeah, and that's what's special about it.

It's the Cameron Crow word happy sad like life like life is just happy sad like one can't really exist without the other.

And in order to creatively hit that sweet spot, it's actually a really hard thing to do, you know, and Craig did such a good job of of threading that, you know, no walking that line of not a getting too sentimental either, you know exactly, it's not cynical.

There's like not an ounce of cynicism in this film.

It's very pure of heart.

And yet it doesn't get too sentimental like you want to.

When you're done watching it, you're like, I just want to do the things that I love to do, and I want to be with my family and you know, and I want to like live a good life.

I have a question for you, because you've been interviewed for the last two months and say the same things over and over again.

We know how that works, but I bet you haven't been asked this.

What does Hugh Jackman smell like?

Because you were very close to him the whole movie.

You know, I wish he was here, Like does he have a scent?

Is it woodsy?

Is it floral?

That's a really good question.

It is kind of more.

It's not woodsy, it is more floral.

It's more like crisp.

It's like a clean It's like it's like grass.

It's like fresh cut grass.

Oh.

I like that smell.

I can't wait till we get to tell her.

So funny, it's what.

I would say.

His smell is like, isn't that funny?

Oh, let's do this with all my co stars.

I was gonna go there next.

I'm like, it's funny because everyone does have some sort of a scent.

Yeah, like Kane is much deeper, it's much more.

That's much more like musky.

Like yeah, I would see it's in the earth.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like dirt.

It's like it's like it's like amber dirt.

It's kind of good though to amber is a little like powdery.

I think maybe it would be more like it would be like more petuly.

Yeah, yeah, like good dirt like that, like that, like the kind of dirt that grows really great vegetables.

Exactly.

So funny, they really do.

I'm trying to think of like like I could do the whole cast of Running point at this point.

Oh I know, Oh God, well who should we start with?

So funny?

Uh?

Justin Threau.

Is is like is like Palo Santa?

What is like the candle?

No, he's like he's like he's like not incense, He's like the wood, you know, Palo Santo.

It's like it's like that meets like a little bit of like a citrus like high note.

Oh okay, but who's like like a vetty air you know that like sort of deep sort of vetty bee French.

Well, that's citrus, isn't it?

Yeah?

I thought like he he reminded me of the vetty be throw.

No, No, he's more like fig.

Fig what about?

What about?

What about?

Ike Barenholtz?

Oh is like it's like Bristin.

But I'm I'm feeling groovy.

Oh is that what you're singing?

Gotta watch powers growing.

Looking for love and feeling groovy when.

I'm feeling blue?

I know, Oh I got it?

Look you who is that I'm not so blue?

That's Phil Collins.

That's who is quicket to song all of her?

Okay?

Who going around the house?

Who's singing more?

I?

Well, Kate?

I don't know that, probably Kate.

But I do like to sing.

It makes me feel good.

It's really me.

But all does weird like sounds.

I do some good like you know, vocal gymnastics that a lot of it can't that can't do well, Hugh, I want to hold on.

I want to start this whole thing off by saying that.

Before you came on, I asked Kate a very poignant question because I know that you guys get a thousand of the same questions every single day when you're doing these press junkets, right.

But.

I asked Kate, what does Hugh Jackman smell like?

Because she's with you all the time, through the sweaty moments, through the tender moments, and you know, she gave a very nice answer, So why don't you why don't you tell them?

Yeah?

And then I thought, well, this is a really fun thing to do with any coastar.

I feel like you, I said, like grass, like freshly cut grass.

Wow, you like that?

Mean?

First of all, I love that smell.

I told you meant like grass.

That's how I smell.

That is not me.

I mean, in the past, maybe the smell.

I'm sure there's been some funk in some points, and there's uh.

But even in those moments, you're always kind of there's like a freshness.

Yeah, you're And then we went into other coast stars and then even the guys, even the people that I work with on running point and started to get weird.

Well, the the ike parent holds smell was spot on.

She said, like it's a Michelin star brisket.

With caramelized.

Wow, that's very edible.

I like that.

You usually when we do our podcast.

This is so fun.

Now I get to interview.

We get We talked mostly about family, right, you know, we like we break down like how people grew up and.

Like what their childhood was like.

And actually, you have such a fascinating childhood.

You are one of how many kids.

So six from mom and dad.

I was the youngest of five.

My mom remarried and had Rowan when I was eleven, and she's so my I guess officially my half sister, but she's my sister, so six, but she grew up in England.

So for the probably for the purpose of this, like the growing up, most of my time was I was the youngest of five.

I hated being the youngest.

You did hated why my whole.

Life felt like someone else was allowed to do stuff that I wasn't allowed to do.

I was and my dad was very regimented.

So you know, everyone got the same, like at this age, your bedtime is seven thirty.

At this age it's eight.

And this is how much money you get when you're six, Like you get fifteen cents pocket money, and you get twenty when you're right.

All of that So my whole life.

Everyone's getting more than me or staying up later than me.

Now I'm six, so I don't care like it was In a year.

You'll get to land and care.

I'm going to go to bed and you're all watching six million Dollar Man on Sunday night and I got to go to bed.

I used to hate it.

So it's actually interesting because you don't get to be a part of the sort of family affair or the family get togethers when it is past your bedtime and you're the little one, so everyone else is up except for you.

Everyone else assumes I had the plumb the pole position being youngest, and I can look back now and see like my dad in particularly got so soft.

By the end.

I mean, we ever did one holiday that wasn't like a camping holiday, but once the older the others were off, I think he's probably like I got a little extra cash when we went.

To like the Great Barrier Reef and we stayed.

I got like a room me and my brother shared like a hotel, like a bungalo on the beach, and all my older brothers and sisters like we went to Bali, like we went on an overseas trip.

Ye, none of my older brothers and sisters got any of that.

What is the age difference?

So like your oldest, we're basically for school.

It was two years but I think like me and my next brother, so Zoe, basically eight years older.

Okay, so within eight years.

Zoe and Sonya Ralph Hugh, and we were at school two years apart, although my brother ended up repeating a year, so he was only a year older.

But he was only seventeen months older than me, and he was he was the best man at my wedding.

But we we were at each the whole time.

I was.

I was terrified of my brother because he was just even when I was like a foot taller than him, I was still scared of him.

Totally, yeah, totally had it over me, and so I had to become all varen.

That was it.

I remember, do you remember that, Michael remember the last dand so Michael Jordan's saying, what was a turning point in your career and he goes beating my brother.

It was just all about beating my brother.

That's where it starts.

I remember having Wow, Ralphie doesn't want me saying this.

I remember saying a winning a table tennis competition at a beach holiday and in the final, I'd beat my brother and I'd never really beaten him.

It was always a little better than me, a little older than me.

And I got a beer can with all the ring pools were put together, but that was wrapped around the beer can.

I had that.

I still have it to this day, like there's nothing I won, No nothing, I could win an oscar, it would be behind that beer.

Can because it was huge.

Although I remember thinking, are you sure you want to win this because you're gonna pay for it?

Like he's gonna punish you for beating him.

Oh yeah, no, I don't think you did.

No, I'm sure I exaggerated at all.

Were you a competitive family?

Just generally?

Yeah, very very in sports, athletics and everything.

The boys, yes, my sister is not so much.

Zoe might two sisters, three boys, Yeah.

And then rowin another girl.

So we're now three and three.

But I grew up with yeah, two sisters, three boys.

Oh my gosh, that's such a big family.

It's huge.

Yeah.

Who was in the dynamic?

Who is the one that you would like tell your secrets to, like, or that you would go to if you needed, like, you know, advice.

Secrets was Ralph.

He was the next brother up, but we went through periods of like, he's the last person I would tell, but ultimately yeah, and then it was probably my brother Ian.

If I needed advice.

So my elder sister.

To give you some context, my mom when my mom and dad split, So my first two years, almost first year and a half, I was living with another family because my mom was not very well.

And I'm speaking about it now because I've spoken about it before, but I want to be mindful of her.

But she was just not doing great.

And so I was the youngest and there were four kids at home, so I stayed with my godparents.

I came back I was probably two, and between two and eight.

I was at home and then my mom and dad divorced.

My mom moved back to England.

So I was raised from eight by my really I guess by my dad and my siblings and.

My Why am I telling you this a long way around.

Sorry, Kate knows.

I can just I can see her glazing over sometimes like at a chunk It's like, yeah, dude, dude, we have four minutes and we have even started talking about the movie and.

Which no, Hugh, you guys are two peas in a part.

Sometimes Kig will go on these rants where I have to put it through like a Google filter because I'm like, what is she saying here?

Like how do I?

Oh, no, I met her all the time.

I'm like, you know, on point, I need real time AI to like understand what she's saying.

Okay.

So the point of the story eight was my elder sister Zoe moved to England to go back to England where my mom was when she was eighteen nineteen, so I would have been ten.

So I'm very close with my sister Zoe and my sister Sonya, Sonya, poor Sonya.

She was left with just a house of men, I think in.

Australia and Australia in the seventies eight pretty much you know, a little old school.

So she was has that shifted and changed it all because it's always been the stereotype, of course, you know, but has that it had it's changed.

Yeah, it's changed a lot, although I you know, I still think there's remnants of it.

You know, my mate Kate knows, my best mate Gus runs a foundation called Gotcha for Life, which was really based around the epidemic of male suicide in Australia and a lot of that's got to do with this notion that you don't ask for help, just get.

On with them, mate, What do you mean you got a therapist?

Just not good enough to hang with you mates at the pub like you're gonna have chat with your mates.

That there's still a little bit of that.

I think that's sort of baked in a little bit, but it's it's changed, thankfully a lot.

Now.

Who in your family was creative?

Huh?

Like, who was the the Did you come from any artist?

Did you have any aunts or uncles or grandparents like that were in the art?

My great aunt was apparently on the stage in the West End in London.

My mom was is incredibly creative.

My father was an accountant and his brother Michael, I loved like it was a teacher and just full of life, Like, oh god, Kate, you would have loved it.

He was very your vibe.

He would have fit in with your family.

Your mom would have said, Michael Jackman, Ah, we want him around.

All the time.

He was just all you would hear.

He lived in France.

He married Claudeine and France, and you would hear in the morning, you're waking up and you just hear this.

Everyone's a winter.

He would come in just completely naked, like my hair, let's go, just.

Go and jump in the lake.

Full of beans, full of life.

Here here creativity.

My mom incredibly creative, creative, creative, every bone and her body is creative and in another generation would probably have been an or something.

Then my dad also, who I thought was really not I've had people say to me, is that he was the most creative accountant.

He was the maverick.

He one had the crazy idea, which is interesting.

Then in my family, Zoe amazing.

She's a fiddle player, she plays mandolin, she's a chef, she can do needle point of growing up as always she was making things.

Then I and my brother Ian Rhodes scholar, very very eminent.

Judge, like I guess our equivalent of a Supreme Court judge.

And you know, yeah, but I remember him at school like he was the best actor I've ever seen, but he was just like, yeah, I'm not going to do that.

He was anything he did.

He was great at my sister's sonya dancer, actor, singer, did everything my brother Ralph, also an actor, did and me, so he was always there.

It's interesting because you said you also grew up, you know, sort of been a rigid.

Your dad was a bit rigid, right, which I'm assuming meant that he was a bit strict, very So it's funny squaring that with creativity because usually when someone is when you when you're when you're strict and you're holding anyone someone back, they don't have that freedom to create unless you're rebelling against it somehow.

But I mean, I can remember him my whole life saying stop singing, stop whistling, it's annoying.

So there was that, But I was always in the school player, I was always doing something.

He was driving me to rehearsal and would take me to every theater show.

He would take me to the movies.

My standard gift every year from my dad was a subscription to the Sydney Theater Company, so I could see Tim play like he.

I think for my dad it was if I'm if I'm right, I think he was like, the art is a really important part of life.

He would take us to the opera, he would take us to classical music.

He would take us to the art gallery.

He would he would do all these things.

I think in his mind that's important.

But that's I think he's a bitch.

I don't know how he was about us doing it as a job.

I asked him minds when I said, Dad, I want to be an actor.

I think I want to go off to drama school me an actor.

And I was really nervous about his reaction, and he said to me, he goes, well, I think you have the talent, but I think you're too thin skinned.

So yeah, how'd that work out for you?

How do you feel about that?

Now?

I think you're doing all right.

I'm doing it okay.

But I understand what he was saying.

Did you have to get callous to have to grow that thick skin or or were you just will.

Ignore any place I might go.

I don't read any reviews.

There is if there's comment, I know.

There's comments on my social media, but oh no, people said you're read I'm.

Like, oh no, what about do you do you mind watching yourself?

Don't love it?

Yeah?

No, although I'm getting better, I've sort of forced myself to do that.

Yeah.

When you do watch yourself, do you are you hypercritical in the sense that you look at you're like, oh, that was pretty good, and then another scene and you're like, oh, Jesus, what am I doing here?

I mean often no, I'm often like pleasantly surprised.

Yeah I'm not that actually looked better than it felt, or I thought I stank up the entire set, and.

I'm like it's okay.

Yeah, And then sometimes I can go, oh, that was good.

But I also, you know, I can look at scenes even the other night of the premier, it was about the fifth time, was saying I'm like, yeah, that's it right.

Someone said to me, my mats goes how many?

How many sings?

I said, I'm not sure, but it's somewhere between eight and twenty, And I was like, yeah.

Of funny, what are you out of your mind?

What about you?

Oh my worst critic?

I think everything's awful, do you?

Yeah, But I'm also like it's like a weird, like I I can't even decipher sometimes if it is I just don't like watching myself.

You ever watched the monitor on set?

Uh?

Yeah, you know.

I actually like doing that because I see it more like choreography, right, so like but but not not on serious things.

I think like when we're trying to sometimes when especially in comedy, I like to see the frame because it helps.

It's like dance, you know.

It's like if you know you're supposed to like trip in a certain place, like you when you see the frame, you it kind of informs you know or how you do it.

You're like, oh, you know what, I can lean more into the fall or you know.

By the way I was watching a running point, I'm like, are you're so You're really good with that, like.

With like pratfall running into the glass.

I just was thinking about something I can.

I tell you a little.

It's sort of a family.

It's not so much sibling, but it's a cool little story for my past.

I don't know if I've said that much, but I just remember when I was talking about my dad, I said, I want to go to this school.

And I auditioned for this school and it was three days a week.

It was called the Actors Center in Sydney.

And I got in and I was so excited.

And the next day I got the letter saying you're in, and at the very bottom is said, please show up with your check for three and a half thousand dollars.

And when I was growing up, tertiary education, all college or university anything was free, and even my acting school was free because it was a state run thing.

So I was like three and a half thousand, I don't have three.

Enough and I'd already done a university degree which my dad had helped me with, and so I just ripped it up and put in the bin because I was like, I don't have three enough grand and there's no way I'm asking my dad for three enough grand like I've just finished.

And the very next day I got a check in the mail from my dad's mum, my grandmother's bequest for three and a half thousand dollars.

I sweated.

I literally went.

I was in shock.

And then I went to the waste paper basket and I picked out the scrumpled up acceptancing just to check.

I'm like, what is happening?

And there was my train.

And so I went to my dad and I said, Dad, remember I asked you about being an actor.

I said, I got this money, I was like, from your mom's but will and I want to put it towards that.

And he said to me, I couldn't think of a better way for you to spend her money.

He was always about education.

My dad was always like to do everything you can to be educated.

Always like, just feel like you belong, feel like you deserve to be there.

Do whatever you need to do so that when you turn off for that interview or that audition or whatever it is, you go, oh, yeah, no, I'm ready for this.

That's amazing.

You.

Was there a lot of laughter in your house?

Like was there?

Was it boisterous or.

Was it between the siblings?

Yes?

Right, but when Pops rolled around, everybody got more behaved.

When I yeah, it was sort of, I would say.

Dinners.

We always had to sit down dinner.

No one was allowed to answer the phone.

If the phone range you'ring dinner and you do not get up to answer it.

Yeah, there was.

We had Sunday morning break together.

We had to have this Sunday lunch together.

Sunday lunch we get a bit more boisterous because my dad would have a few but always amongst the siblings there was so there was a lot of giggling that wasn't meant to be happening.

That was my main memory, and camping holidays.

My dad was an accountant, he was tired.

He had literally a five it was called a five man ten and there was five children and my father.

So I'm sure my dad's like, I got two kids, they're young, two of them are young.

That's one person.

Fine, that's all we need.

Five man ten.

So I was at the top where I had to sleep in like a bend like that, so if I could go around the pole, and there was iris.

So I remember a lot after there.

I do remember a lot of and to this day when we get together, Oh this is the coolest.

I told you, man, I am talking a lot this.

Yeah.

So January, I won't tell you where me and my siblings are getting together for a week for the first time since my sister's.

Wedding twenty five years ago.

You know what wedding's like.

There's one hundred and fifty people, So technically we were together and there's a photo of all of us, but there's no partners, there's no children.

And it was after my father passed away during COVID.

We couldn't go to the funeral.

Australia was so strict.

So my brother Ian was there and gave the eulogy and I was like, this just feels we should be getting together and telling stories and laughing in getting drunk and remember crying and doing all that, and so not long after that, I contact them all.

I said, guys, let's get together, and they immediately jumped on and said, let's do it.

That was four years ago.

It's happening in January.

That's how far I did.

We had to go.

We were like, what at this date, I can't do it?

This one?

Three could do it?

Two good happening in January.

I'm so excited.

That's so exciting.

Special you now.

I feel you guys do that.

We like live that way.

I wish we spent more time apart.

Yeah, me too.

I go somewhere else for Christmas.

You know where I was, You know I was.

I just did Kelly and Mark, which you're doing.

Yeah, yeah, but we're doing a TV show without you.

I was like, I'm not going to do all the talking.

So we go and.

In the commercial break, Kelly just goes I want to be adopted by the whole family.

That whole I want that whole family.

She told me a great story about you, but you can eat it out if you don't like.

But she said, I remember Kay coming to my house and the first thing she did was like, can we have a kind of a tour, and they way, oh, okay.

So we're in the bathroom, sit and Kate just opened up my medicine.

Drawl all of us, like she said, and just looked up went oh my god, and literally she said she got every cream she.

Goes you is this one good of this?

And said, lathering herself all over her body with every cream that I had.

Yes, So that's that's that's that is genetic, that is Goldiehn and that is Kate Hudson.

That was very female.

Sorry, but every girl who's listening to this understands.

I mean, I guess I guess, like I guess I have a different version of that story, but but I guess, like when you I she had just her house is amazing and we're in one part of the house and I was like, she was telling me all about the house and the kids and where the kids are, and I was like, I have to see your house.

But we had like one of those great girly moments in her bathroom.

And yes, I tried on like every cream.

I wanted to need to know everything you're doing on your face.

You're used to having a lot of people around, Kate.

That's not you.

Oh yeah, yeah, you're very comfortable with it.

Yes, and no, like I feel like I like my alone time.

I think all of it.

And are actually really similar like that, Like we're really good at being social and then we just go and do our whole like our we hibernate in our you know area.

As I get older, too, I'm just becoming more antisocial.

Yeah, I'm just yeah, I'd rather just be home and reading or doing something else rather than going out.

But then when I do go out, I go out.

I go out that if you got that kite thing where you go out, and then as the hours get lighter, the energy just goes up and up and up.

Oh yeah, oh god, I I don't know.

Two drinks.

I can't do that.

I don't even know what that is.

No clue Kate does.

If I get a little taste, I'm like, oh, we're out and about, all right, Let's let's let's say have a long let's sell late we can take this.

You know, that's fine.

I get it's pretty good.

Like I have that thing where I pop right out of bed too, Like it doesn't.

It could have been four hours of sleep and I pop right.

But then like then the next day, like I'm the person that can sleep for ten hours.

Nice, you still have that ability.

I don't.

Oh my gosh, I'm up at seven every morning no matter what.

Same paying once or twice and not all of them.

Where are you at twice twice?

Yeah?

Twice a night, well once last night.

I The thing is, I love my water, so I drink too much before bed.

You know.

I have to stop drinking water like an hour before bed, and then I'll be all right.

But I'm you know, sometimes it gets bad.

Sometimes it's like four times I'm like what the fuck?

Oh, here's the game changes.

So an astocrat told me, like stop at five or six, stop pounding it by five or six pm.

Yeah, then just sit.

You said you've had enough water.

Yeah, now I'm down at one pen.

That's good.

But I haven't drunken eighteen months.

That's really helped my sleep a lot.

I've had like two blasts of one.

Wow.

Yeah, I have restless leg and I heard that thing and it runs my family a lot.

And and so when you get over tired, it's this cycle.

You get over tired, so you get it.

Then you can't sleep, so you get more tired.

So I just stopped drinking, not really because of that, but it's got so much better.

Wow.

Rls.

Like I feel like I have it sometimes because I just can't stop moving my legs.

But how do you how are you even diagnosed with something like that?

You know, if you got it.

My mom, who has a pretty bad she's like, she said, it's like chewing aluminum foil, So you know, I get it.

Sometimes you just sit there in your leg or you're in bed and your leg jolts out of the blue.

That's not it, right, It's like.

It's like an internal itch that you can't get to unless you move around, so you get up and walk, or you if you eat.

So being The worst is on a plane.

If I'm on a night flight and there's no flap head, I don't, Thank goodness, I can do that.

I'm just a guy walking up and down and it's just ya wow.

Yeah.

I mean when I pee at night too, you know, I like to sit down and just relax for like a while.

I think more men sit down and pee than they want to let on.

Oh yeah, no, I've I've switched.

Yeah, dude, I think men you know, no longer it's not much.

E's not you know macho anymore.

America does not set you up for success, right, I've really only taking me a long time to notice this.

There's a lot of water in the bowl to begin with, stand up pin, Yeah, you're cleaning up or you're not.

No, hey, if there's any time in the day to take a little rest, why not take a rest?

So you just sit down and pee?

And is it a heated seat now, Oliver beginning?

Then you got heat a sea.

Maybe that's what you should ask for for Christmas.

A total to Toto.

This reminds me of yesterday we had to do.

We went and did Eli Manning's podcast, Oh you did, and I had to sit and listen to the guys talk about how much they bench pressed.

It's very interesting their bench press number, your guys' number of peeing in the night.

Australia is where you made you know, hey in the beginning, correct and as an actor, and then did you then graduate to sort of the States or were you were you?

Were you a known entity in Australia before anyone knew you in the.

I sort of came out from drama school and did a TV series which made me semi non, and then I did a couple of things on stage which sort of might be known.

And I think I was semi non.

You know, I was not.

I wasn't Nicole Kidman or Crab.

But I was there and then went to England to do Oklahoma.

And that was a big hit over there, and I auditioned for X Men from that and so but it was x Men was a massive game.

It was like I was here and then massive Oh shit.

So it was literally Oklahoma to x Men, right.

I auditioned with a perm in my hair.

I put on a baseball cap and I remember the Carci agent going, I don't think the baseball CAP's a great idea, and I took it off.

She was I think it's a good idea.

Well do you remember your audition for X Men?

I mean totally you do.

Did you bring the voice already?

Is that your interpretation?

I think I can't remember that, but I remember.

Here's one of the great bits of block I had to go in between.

It was a Wednesday and I had to go in between a matinee and the evening show was a long show.

We came down a five.

I had to be backed by seven.

So I go into town.

I ran into town and I'm waiting to do this audition, and I remember just going.

They knew I had a show, and I was like, I've got to go.

I've got it, I've got it go.

And finally I did the dick thing i'd sort of someone left.

I knocked on the door, I said, guys, I gotta go, and I said, well, you're not next.

I said, that's cool.

I've got a show to do, so I'm out.

Thanks all the best.

But I was pire.

I was pissed and didn't give a shit, and in whatever nerves I had about doing it, I was just like whatever, and I went in.

There were of course perfect for for Ren right, so I went in with her.

I didn't give a ship.

Yeah we done, We've fucking done.

Let's go.

And I walked out the door and they were like, we love this guy.

Let's get it back.

And then my next audition, I was like, what would you like?

That's great, that's so funny.

Gosh.

I just saw this really interesting like on you know, Instagram, where Jacob Alordie was talking about what his acting coach said is the best thing to do in an acting I'm going to I might butcher this, but is when you go into an audition that you treat it like a crime scene?

Have you heard this?

No?

I love this already though.

He's like, you treat it like a crime scene, but the blood's all over your body.

Mm hmmm, I think I've heard this.

Just you're you.

You know, you walk in there and like you entering the crime scene, and it's so clearly you're the one who did it.

That's so cool, And I thought, what an interesting kind of thing to think about before you go into an audition.

I had to trick myself in every audition.

I had to do something all these costing directors go, that's what he was doing.

I had to do something to make me feel like I was in first rehearsal, like I already got it.

Then I was like, so there's I'd walk in and there'd be one chair and the camera's on the chair, and I'm going I go, yeah, i think I'm going to do this standing and I think I'm gonna do it against that wall over there, and they're like, always sit up here.

No, I think that's important.

Somehow that made me feel like I had some ownership over it.

It's very cool.

Yeah, yeah, and I think that's great.

I think it's a great idea because everyone, well, you walk in there with nerves and fear and you don't want to disappoint or make anyone, you know, shake anyone, so you're like, I'll do whatever you want rather, but it's your time.

What happens when a woman does that and an audition is they don't keep it.

They tell her to leave the room.

I mean, like, hmm, absolutely is different.

I agree, Well, now it's all self tapes.

I got to do one.

I got to do one today.

So if I do that to Aaron's the one filming me, like it's tear and move out of the way.

I mean I could, I could try to be.

I like that tapes gets people more people in the room, like you, I hate more actors, but I really think, like I love this the auditioning process when you had to get in your car and you drive across town and then you had another audition, like on another part of town and you'd get in the room and you'd sit in a waiting room with other actors and see them in the room.

But such a huge part of what of the beginning process of what we did?

I mean you, I mean I guess you didn't really get that part because you did Wolverine.

I mean you just went Now.

I'd have four or five years of auditioning.

For sure, Oh you did.

Yeah.

Another thing I don't know about you.

Okay, But on movies, I'm noticing a lot of people come in and have one scene or a day.

They just come and do a day.

Seem more frightened than in the past, because I think when you go into a casting agent and you have to do it then and you've been sitting out there with fifteen people, Yeah, the pressure is there, and you go on and it somehow replicits a little bit of what it feels like on set.

All right, quiet On said, you know, yeah, are you doing it?

I'll do six hundred tights.

I'll do what.

Oh that's the problem with the self tape is you do seven thousand takes.

I'm there from like six am to six pm for two scenes, and Aaron's like, can I go, I need to do things.

I'm like, babe, no one more, one more, Oh my god.

I always have so much compassion for the day players who have to come in and do some scene, and I never, oh gosh, I'm always like, hey, it's all gonna be okay, buddy, like you know, yeah, it's you go fuck up, everyone fucks up.

It's okay, It's okay, Oliver.

Yeah, so okay, Oliver.

Now you get to be our interviewer and ask us questions about our new movie.

All right, they're movie song Sung Bloom.

First of all, who had the gig first?

Okay, Craig.

Well, Craig came to me with the documentary.

Oh that's right, yeah, to see if I was interested and you work.

Yeah yeah.

He hadn't reaten the script yet.

I was just like, it's the best story.

I've got to do this, Okay.

Next question, were there other iterations of actors actresses that were supposed to come through.

There were, there were discussions.

Yeah, there were discussions.

There were there were sort of lists, there were discussions that it was it was the turning point was Michelle you know, well, miss REI watching Kate on CBS Sunday Morning and I just texted Craig that morning and I said, Claire's Kate, Kate's Claire, And he was like, oh my god, one hundred percent like but he said it like that, I've already had that in mind.

Mm hmmm.

Wow.

And then Kate, when you heard first heard about the script, you knew he was involved.

I remember you said to me, I'm worried about Hugh, that he's going to sing like he did in the Greatest Showman, And that was one of your major concerns, which, by the way, is like my favorite movie, my kid, Oh my god, I think it's amazing.

But when you read the script, were you immediately in yeah, yes.

Yeah, I mean, if I'm being really honest, I was a little worried about location because it was the first time that I was going to be away from the kids and in a long time, and we were going to shoot somewhere other than New York, and I was like, oh God, I'm gonna have to be away from Ronnie and what am I going to do?

Because it was like, you know, it was about two plus months, and I was having a little bit of anxiety around that, but I was always going to do the movie.

You know, there was no question that I wanted to make this the I mean I actually had read the script.

I slipped the script before I got offered the script, so I had read it and sort of Ali had like put our feelers out there nice.

Yeah.

And and had you guys known each other before this?

Yep, we've done a Was it a one day reading?

Well, we did, like a workshop like a shop for.

As the goal.

That yeah, and it was really fun.

But but it was one you know, full day pretty much just long.

And then other than that only at like events.

But we didn't really know allough I meant.

But she has no memory of it.

At Galdi's house, I don't remember who took me a bit.

It was early two thousands, and I remember going to I think it was a Christmas holiday ish party, although I don't remember any trees so because I'm sure it's just like a forest of Christmas trees.

So, but I remember being in the kitchen.

My memory is like A said, kitchen edge unk to the kitchen which feels like a living room, and kite walked in and on fire just like hi, and I'm like hi, and I just like the coolest kid in class and then walked down that she.

Has no memory that now.

Well and then and then like you told me this like two weeks ago, I was like, wait, wow, you're having like we did a whole movie together.

Well, chemistry is obviously massive, right when we're doing anything as an actor or whatever, even even even past it, even with the directors and everything else.

But of course the chemistry between the two have to be there, and that can be created or it can be instant you know.

I think that when it's not there, you have to find a way to make it happen.

But with you guys, obviously it seems like just knowing you Hugh in the short time and watching you together, it seemed like almost instantaneous.

So yes, you knew each other, but you didn't you didn't have much of a relation chip.

When you guys first started rehearsing and seeing it was like, oh shit, this is fucking immediate, Like this is it's on?

Or was there a feel out?

Was there a feel out period?

Okay, and I've talked about this.

It was like it felt easy.

It didn't feel I think I've thought a lot about this chemistry word, like you want everyone to believe it obviously, and yeah, you can fake.

I mean, that's what we do, whether we fake it.

But I think if there's trust between two people and.

You can maybe share vulnerabilities, whether it be around performing or just live for whatever that is, is there a feeling of trust, then then that's.

The door that needs to open.

And I think on top of that, Can and I have a lot in common the way we approach work, the way we approach people, the way we approach life worth quite optimistic, forward moving people, and I just feel easy.

So when you guys doing these emotional scenes right when Kate has to lose it, when you have to lose it when it's happening, how much of it is on the actor who is not necessarily the one who has to be that vulnerable and emotional.

How open does the person opposite have to be to allow that to happen?

You know what I mean.

It's a great question.

And I think that's the thing.

Because sometimes you can get afraid even if there are even if you have trust.

It's like, you know, I'm going to do this big scene in front of you right now, Like it's almost like you have to receive it so she can give it.

Yeah, that's where the trust is well I have someone to say, Okay, what do you think about that?

No?

You?

You?

You?

I mean I think it's that's a really interesting way of asking that question, because it really is, it's like feeling free to feel emotionally naked in front of somebody and risk making a mistake or looking silly, or feeling like your choices aren't good enough, having like the confidence to make maybe what could also be a bad choice.

But like a great co star, a great acting partner, elevates you, like you kind of guide each other through it a little bit, Like it's like there is a reciprocated like you feed off of each other in a way.

And when it's actually really working, when you're doing I think what it is that we're supposed to do, which is you give and you receive and you listen.

Like if you're actually doing that in a way where you're fully connected, fully open, vulnerable and feel trust, then it's like it becomes you kind of lose yourself.

It allows you to lose yourself in it a.

Little bit, you know.

I think about that same where I had to sort of where Mike finally sort of breaks down because it's I've got to let go of lightning.

So it's this lifeline for him, this character he's created.

I've gotta let go of it.

And I think of you coming up, your choice to come up behind me, and I could feel you.

So it's so important to have that.

And if I don't have it in the actor i'm working with, I'll find it on set.

I won't tell that crewmember, but there'll be some crew member who would be for some reasona be the one if I was going through something really hard at lunchtime, that'd be the person I would trust, or or who.

Would put their hand on my shot that feeling of a some I won't.

Sometimes I've I remember Darren aroon Osky, I said I had to do these things I on my own.

They were very vulnerable, and I said, Darren, I want you beside the camera because I built up a friendship and a trust with him and an honesty.

So he was the one for me standing by the camera.

But I kind of like that because I think as an actor, you're feeling something and allowing the audience, and it's the courage.

What you said is right.

It's the courage to allow people to see parts of your own heart of your own emotional being.

That we hide.

We hide it all the time.

So it's also like what you know, what what Paul, you know, Kurt that you know, don't don't let don't let them catch you acting?

Like the Spencer Tracy line.

You know, don't let don't you know?

This kid comes up to Spencer Tracy and says, you know, I want to be an actor, and Spencer Tracy says, well, don't let them catch you at it, and like that's the ultimate goal.

And like, in order to do that, you have to break down so many things.

It needs to become so honest.

And if you don't like what Hughes saying, that's so interesting, If you don't have that in your actual scene partner, you have to find it somewhere else.

Did you guys get nervous, Hue, You get nervous before anything anymore?

Yeah, straight to hell out of me?

Right?

And I think often about Travolta.

I did a film and my second film was with Travolta, and I grew up watching Greece and said that my fever like walking back Cotter.

I'm like, and I asked him, I said, you get nervous?

He goes first two days of any film, you can just throw it in the trash, I gues, he goes, I still get it.

First takes me two days.

You're putting on a new skin.

It's like putting on a new pair of shoes, as a many of you wear shoes every day, and new pair is going to film not great, and it drives me crazy.

Sometimes it's much better.

It's one of the reasons I don't want to I used to not want to stop because I was like, I was going to keep going with this, like I want to have more time in the saddle, please, more time.

Sometimes I think doing it the beauty of doing a TV show, which is the first thing I did.

You're on camera so much, and you're so tired, and we've got so much dialogue.

You have no space for nerves.

But I don't know.

Yeah, I still feel it about you.

Oh yeah, really I feel it.

Yeah, I get nervous.

I didn't see that at all.

But I don't.

I don't let it show like I think I think that people think I'm much.

More like.

I'm good at like powering through my nerves, Like it's almost like fuel for me, Like when I get nervous or if I get that like anxious feeling or that like excitement.

I it's like it's my fuel.

I remember asking a sound sound recordist, maybe he was He just came out and I said something about nerves, and he goes, how if I could play you what?

I hear the hot bait in all these actors interesting cool guys.

I reckon some of them are getting one hundred and fifty baits per minute and then maybe on camera looking all cool and suave as I.

Know the truth.

That's cool.

Yeah, not to mention everyone talking to themselves like.

Come on over, you can fucking do this.

Don't forget you trying.

Don't forget your line again.

They're gonna hate you even more.

Well you guys, Yeah, I love you man.

This has been so much fun.

I know you guys can't tout that you can.

But the movie is so fucking fantastic.

And I'm not just saying that it's a throwback movie.

We don't see anything like these anymore, and I think it's time we do.

It's feel good, you know, it takes you on this journey.

It's not it's not it's not too sentimental.

It's like it strikes this perfect balance, you know, where you are happy crying at the end, and we don't get we don't get that much anymore.

And I think it's important now to see these things, to go to the movie theater, to go watch these things with a group.

It's a great movie to see with a crowd, you know what I mean.

It's not just the Marvel movies that you want to go see with the crowd, like, there are these kinds of movies you want to go see with people because we are all energy.

And when that energy sort of comes together in a room and you're watching this moment, these moments, you feel it throughout the theater.

So that's why you should probably go to the fucking movie theater to watch this thing.

Thanks man, Holly, we love it.

Wait, good luck crush that audition to that man.

Oh yeah, it's gonna be great.

Aaron's gonna be hating me.

A handheld a handheld iPhone.

The kids screaming, the dogs are barking.

You can understand.

It's it's complete mayhem.

When I do these.

Things, I might have a RT holidays.

All right, all right, I love you, Thank you everybody, Thank you man.

This is amazing.

That was so great.

How much do you love you like so much any of the best.

We were doing it on the carpet one time and someone said, someone said to who do you want to be the celebrity who would play you?

And he goes all the.

Well, I wanted to show him my my wolverine body.

Oh well, I'm glad you didn't.

No, because I wanted to.

I was going to pitch him because he's gonna but he's gonna be I'm going to pitch him.

To do great and lean.

Oh look, oh my god, you're getting jacked all of her hotel.

I'm so proud of you.

If anybody could see my brother, just my brother just gave me like a well, he took his shirt off.

But I wanted to pitch.

I wanted to.

Sort of abs starting to show through.

You got to get some fat off of him.

But the Wolverine needs a younger brother.

And his name's like the little guy, you know, it's like wolf.

It's like the Wolverito or something like that.

Italian Italians an Italian Wolverino.

Right, he's an Italian.

He's come to live in the United States and he's like, where's my brother.

With your horn?

Totally, it's like some.

You do do.

Horn is like your we.

I gotta go.

I love you, Okay, but