Hi.

I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Relationship and what it's like to be siblings.

We are a sibling.

Railvalry.

No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth, revelry.

That's good.

Oliver Hudson here rocking a mustache.

Huh.

I like it.

And I don't even know why I like it.

I think it gives me a little edge, a little sense of danger, you know, a little sort of dirty sex appeal.

And I never purposely shave a mustache, meaning it's not something that you know, I go.

I'm like, I'm going to do a mustache, and I'm going to really figure this out.

It's more of when I shave my beard, which I just let grow and then I don't like and I get lazy and I just let it grow and I just then I shave everything, and I'm like, you know what, I'm going to try out this mustache, and then I try it out.

I'm like hell yeah, and then I shower, and then I get to a shower, and my wife and my daughter are like no, especially my daughter.

She goes, Daddy, no, go back.

In the bathroom and shave your mustache.

She hates it, but I say, real, look, this is the sign of a real man.

And if you want your daddy to be a real man, then you're going to embrace this mustache.

So I've got the stash going.

I got grays happening, which is fine, sort of embracing the gray.

Anyway, enough about me and my mustache.

We have someone in the waiting room, the second person that I've been interviewing from the Hunting Wives, and she has done many, many, many many more things.

She was in Scandal.

She is just a really amazing actress.

And let's get into her life.

Let's see if we can make her cry.

Let's dig in.

Bring on Katie Low's hi.

He oh well.

Hello, well hello there.

How are you.

Love good, Louve?

How are you very fucking good?

I'm oh yeah, my gosh.

I have the worst my mouth.

I mean, I my kids.

I've been cursing in front of my kids since day one.

I've drink in front of my kids.

I smoke in front of my kids.

I have a whole different way of parenting that may or may not work.

So far, it seems to be working because my kids are pretty fucking awesome, but we are a bit old school in that, Hey, I'm gonna do me and I'm not gonna anything from you.

Love.

This doesn't mean that you can just emulate me.

This shit is not good for you.

But I'm an adult.

And I'm making bad choices.

My thing is not that cursing is bad choice or drinking.

You're spoken, no, no, no, no no, I don't give.

A shit, but I tell my kids, I go, you know what sucks is that in our house.

I go, if you're over eighteen, you can curse.

When you're you can decide what kind of language you want to use.

But that's just not today.

Now.

My kid four and seven, and I do that only because I don't want to be I don't want them to be saying fuck in front of four year olds and are allowed to come over and have like a play date.

Yeah no, I know.

I mean that was the risk we took.

But for whatever reason, they kind of understood that this is what we do and they can't.

I mean, my oldest is eighteen, I've got fifteen, and then I've got twelve.

By god, I know, great.

Oh my god, Well it's doctor Diamond.

So hard, like I just have so much longer to go.

Oh, I know, and everyone says and I maybe you feel this way too, but I hear most of the time like just enjoy these times like I know they are.

It has gone fast, I will say.

I mean the beginning was really slow, but I feel like now I'm like, oh my god, he's eight and we're dealing with like second grade and it's already surpassed my math knowledge.

Like yeah, my gosh, fuck, that's a whole different ballgame with the math, especially where they're in like eighth grade or seventh grade.

They're like, Dad, like I need help.

I'm like, I have no idea, Like thank god for chat GPT at this point, because oh yeah, I don't know what the hell I'm doing when my son.

My son is eighteen, so you're getting ready for second grade, I'm getting ready for fucking college.

And it's semi devastating.

And they're gonna leave and like now you're like, wait, I don't know this is so.

I mean I left it's seventeen and never came home.

Yeah, yeah, And I'm so I.

Love my parents, like we're close and.

Every's still tight.

Oh my god, I just.

Talked to my mother before you got on.

Yeah, and I was like, I mean.

It's like one hundred times a day.

We're so close.

And actually I went to college like eighteen miles from their house, but I still never went home.

Oh really, Well that's the thing.

Wilder is my old This is Wilder.

Wilder is he does not want to stay in California.

Of course, we're like, look look at Santa Barbara.

This is great.

You're only an hour and a half away, you know, And he's like, Dad, I want I want to get out.

You know.

He either wants to do New York or Colorado.

You know, so he's deciding on so great.

I know he's deciding on whether like he wants to college experience or this, like yeah right, yeah.

The good news I will say is everyone I went to college with because I went to NYU, who was Cali, he wants to go to college in New York City.

They all went back home to California.

Everyone that stayed in California for college then they had to leave because they they're going to want to leave at some point.

Yes, yes, so I think your odds are better of them coming home and closer to you would be if they go away for college.

I think you're right.

And my entire family, myself, Kate Wyatt, mom, Pa, Boston, all, my whole family lasts ten minutes from each other.

Still, Oh, they're coming back, there they are.

And I think it's we've just mirrored that, we've set that precedent to where the kids are probably going to be like, well, you know, I kind of want to be home.

I like this vibe, you know's that's the wishful thinking.

Oh, my brother lives around the corner for me in La.

Oh yeah, I'm like you, I'm so close with my I mean yeah, yeah.

My brother and I we're two years, nine months of heart and he four minutes from me in the valley, and the only time we didn't live near each other was college.

And his two kids are my kids age, so we're only missing my parents.

I have to get them out there.

Where are your parents?

We grew up in New York, born, raised York, and my parents are hippies and moved to Vermont and amazing.

My mom's a yoga teacher, my dad's a fashion photographer.

And let me tell you, their quality of life in Vermont is better in a lot of ways.

Than La, only because they canoe and kayak and do all this outdoorsy shit.

However, their four grandchildren are in Los Angeles.

I know, I know, before we get into all that stuff.

They do they grow their own weed.

They don't, but they partake, and all their friends do.

Vermont.

I don't think you can live in that state without I guess a blazer.

It's the fucking best.

They don't grow it, they smoke it.

My dad, not so much, my mom, but my you know, we all as and I don't know how you could do it in your family, but we had spent kind of old school New York.

We always drank with my parents, which I thought, well, we always grew up with like a ski house.

My parents are really out and just part of the ethos was like they didn't care that we were like seen having a drink with it.

They just didn't care.

Same, we're the same, we're the same way.

I thought it was so great.

However, they really we were those kids in high school and college hiding by the window blowing weed out the window for some reason that wasn't allowed.

And then on my mom's sixtieth birthday, my brother and I were like, I think we're done.

I think we're ready to take our relationship with our parents to the next level and get fucking stoned.

Yeah, and let's just let it be known that we do this.

They've always known we've done it.

They do this, We always know they do it.

Why is this so?

We took my mom to Amsterdam for her birth.

Six years Oh my god, And and and.

Actually smoked the worst weed in the history of the world.

Because when you're in California and you go to answer, yeah, you know, it's horrible.

Like we were all paranoid.

I mean, I felt like I did in college, like just like it was horrible, it was not great.

Since then, we've corrected the experience.

Yeah, i'ms over and now it's great.

That's so fun.

It's it's just it's fun.

And again, you have to have the right family to be able to do that.

You know, it's you know, going back to the kids thing.

My philosophy was, let's desensitize these fuckers before they get into the real world, meaning like, no, there's alcohol, there's weed, you can go do things.

I'm going to give you your independence.

You know, there are certain things that I care about, there are certain things you know that I'm strict about, and it's mostly personality shit, but all the other stuff.

The more you hold them back from the vices, from the things that we know they're going to do anyway, the more they're going to want to do them.

And I've seen that in real life.

You know, where these kids are so deprived of sugar or this or that, and they have such a craving and a ravenous desire to have all of it and consume, consume that.

When they finally are eighteen and they finally go to college, it's just like ah, and then they're all fucked up.

Carbal Yeah, my son's best friend's mom's a dentist, so they're not allowed any gummy candy.

And I constantly open up my pantry and that kid is mainlining like eight packages of Welches.

And my kids don't even care about it anymore.

The only thing that's going to be tricky is I think my home.

We've gotten anywhere near there yet.

But my husband and I I think we're going to feel differently.

We've been together nineteen years and he grew up in a very strict household house, as you could probably tell, Like my mom rather have all the kids at our place, you know, growing up, Like, I rather have you guys under my roof and I know what's going on.

Anyway.

And also you know, not now driving doesn't matter because you can.

When I grew up, drunk driving was a huge problem.

So we have like you know, my dad said, you know, you get three get out of jail free cards in high school.

You can call me anytime, day or night.

I'll never ask, I'll pick you up.

You can be completely iniberated.

I will be so proud that you didn't you didn't get in someone's car or something.

Yeah, but my husband was like a total it's like and a late bloomer, you know, like partied in college and everything, but he really wasn't.

His parents were not the ones that exposed him to any of that stuff.

So I'm curious how this is going to look when my kids are teenagers and he and I mean, it's nice that you guys are all in the same alignment on like, because my husband to look at me and I'll say, fucking for my kids, and I don't be.

Like Katie, Yeah, watched the body mouth.

His grandmother is just as bad as I am, you know.

Yeah, and his parents are like very proper.

So, yeah, how is that integration when you guys met, Well, was there stress around it or no?

Well, actually he would say he almost didn't date me because he thought it was not very attractive.

How foul my mouth?

No way, really, he.

Thought it was like a little too much.

And then he wised up and he came over to the dark side, and now he speaks just.

Like, yeah, it's more fun, I mean, but.

It does come out like he's still a little skittish in front of the kids, which I hadn't seen, you know, like he's sort of changed and started letting go about it.

Yeah, but it's a good balance, you know what I mean, Because my wife and I maybe we're we're two free for alls, and it's like, okay, now you're off the fucking rails.

At least there is some structure.

There is some sensibility where it's like, oh, mom's a little nutty, she does her thing, and yeah, dad's fun too, but he sort of holds that structure and he sort of holds the line a little bit.

And then DNA is crazy, Look at the.

Family you grew up in you're around Yeah, yeah, traditional, very people in their business in their day to day, you know, like my parents were always already like yeah, and my husband's parents are school teachers for fifty five years.

So it's like, right now you have three kids.

Three, I have three?

Yeah, I have three.

Oh two boys in my little girl.

Oh, I couldn't go.

We did two, and I was like, do you have boy girl?

I have an older boy and yeah, yeah.

See we had two boys.

And then it was kind of a little weight period and it was like, are we done?

And I was just like, I want a girl.

I really did.

I wanted a boy first, and I made no bones about it, this whole thing of like I just wanted to be healthy.

Of course we do.

No, I wanted a girl.

We all have a choice.

We all have a there's no world where we don't have that thing.

And I was vocal about it.

I'm pretty transparent and filtered, and I was like, I want a boy because I want to get it out of the way.

I want a boy and then I can have eight hundred girls.

And we didn't find out the sex of the kids.

So oh it was amazing.

I mean, it was just the greatest surprise.

It was sort of great secret of humanity.

You know what I mean.

And when Wilder came out and I saw his like super red balls and his tiny peen, I was just like you hear me on the camera and my voice goes like a hundred octaves.

I'm like, is that boy like losing it?

You know?

But then I wanted the girl.

I wanted to go, I.

Want the boy first.

What's your order?

As how you grew up.

I'm the oldest than Kate, so older boy, younger girl.

The older boy, younger girl.

And then Wyatt is half but you know, and then he came in ten years ten years later, you know, so that was kind of the order.

I just wanted the boy because I knew I wanted a boy.

I didn't want to have like two girls.

And I'm like, oh shit, here we go, Like, you know, I wanted a boy, and so I wanted to get him out of the way.

And I think it's like a seventy percent chance most people who have the first two the same, Yes, third is like a seventy chance it's going to be the same.

It was COVID and it was a freaking nightmare.

Oh gosh.

I got pregnant a week after shutdown, Like shutdown was March thirteenth and then March eighteenth, I took a pregnancy test and I was like, oh, I mean it was cool because I just at my entire pregnancy home and alone.

And not having a dark Yeah that's great, yeah.

But also terrified in that like every day it was like your person is not allowed in the room.

This doesn't it doesn't.

But anyway, I just opened up an email said it was a girl, And I've never been so fucking happy.

And I love I do.

My My older boy is such a good big brother, like really taking it like this is the first year they're at the same school.

Yeah, and he's like hugging her and telling her to have a good day and I can't wait to see you on the yard and like he's just d that is.

I hope it sticks.

And I used to ask, like go around and ask people how many beers are between you two?

Are you close with your sibling?

Like why you're close to And there's no no, like only people who are two years apart, only people who are five years apart.

It's not it's.

Really it's funny.

What determines it.

I don't know, you know.

Obviously the show is called Sibling revelry.

So we've talked to a ton of siblings and it's pretty incredible actually, how everyone's stories are so different and we all have a different perspective on how we were raised, even though we were raised by the same people, Even if it's two years and nine months apart, your idea of who your parents are might differ from what your sibling thinks because you're even though you were raised similarly, there are differences there, and we can't deny our own DNA and genetics and the way we perceive things.

We are humans, right, And you know where one person might hate have hated their father, the other ones is I don't get it.

I fucking love dad.

You know.

Wow, that's so interesting, Oh so so many, so many times any.

Siblings say like it was mandatory in our family that we like had each other's backs, or we were each other's people like person, Is there a lot of that or not?

Even Well, it's funny because I I try to instill that.

I think that every family would want that.

You know.

At the same time, our individuality doesn't necessarily allow us to just be that all the time, because who knows what some external circumstances are going on in our lives that don't, you know, allow us to always have their back.

Like my sister, she wanted my back, you know, she wanted me to have her back.

She wanted my love so badly because I was the only sort of real male even though I was older, I was a kid.

But dad had bailed, you know, and Kurt was in our lives, but you know, his stepdad at the time, and she needed that.

But I was going through my own shit as a little boy who was a product of divorce.

I couldn't give her anything.

In fact, she repelled me in a way.

I was kind of like, I didn't I know, I just needed to deal with my own shit.

And it's sad now to think about and we talk about it all the time.

But of course we've become best friends now, you know.

But I say that to my kids.

I'm like, you're all you got, you know.

I'm like, I just you gotta love each other.

I do the same.

I do, like, do you see this person?

This is the person?

Like I Sometimes I say, I'm like, you know, I felt like there were a lot of moms that were pregnant.

I was pregnant.

They were like felt bad about it.

They were like, I just feel bad that I'm going to be adding a person to the family that's taking away attention from the other one.

I was like, are you fucking kidding?

I'm doing this.

As a gift.

I think myself through this again, Yeah, because I don't want him to be by himself alone.

Like, yes, so I've met some phenomenal only children.

That's that.

There's nothing against that.

I just I love having a brother.

Yeah, of course, it's a whole thing.

And that's that's what we're finding out too, is is siblings are Siblings are closer than than they are with their own parents, essentially because they can confide in each other.

They're in each other's space all the time.

They most likely sleep together for the first years of their lives, Like we are in our siblings' lives more than maybe we want to be, so that relationship can be extremely bonding and strong.

Work can go the other way.

Of course, you know, watching my kids grow up, it's just so interesting to watch these sort of see these transitions.

You know, we're wilder.

My oldest was I wanted to get tattooed on myself?

Can you cuddle?

Because all he wanted to do was cuddle and be in my bed.

And now he's eighteen and I can barely touch him without him flinching.

I'm like, yo, what's wrong with you?

Love me?

God?

Damn it?

You know what I mean.

I'm like, do you know who you were just seven years ago?

What this is going on?

You know?

And then I watch him with Rio, my youngest daughter, and I want him to love her more and protect her more, but he fucks with her as a brother.

Would you know most Yeah, I know, I know.

And all I can do is get in their ear.

And that's it because we have to let them individuate.

We have to let them be who they are.

You know, do you believe in birth order?

Like, do you think there's a real We had.

A birth order expert on the podcast and who wrote books, and it was pretty fascinating.

Actually, I think that is the realist shit.

Ever did they see it is the realist shit?

You end up like like, I'm I'm the oldest, but I'm married a youngest mm hmmmmm m.

You know, like a lot of people end up recreating right birth order in some relation to the birth order they grew up in.

Whether they're re recreating it again, or like rebelling against it.

But like, if you think about the couples in your life, a lot of people aren't like older to older or younger to younger or whatever.

What are you?

Yeah, that's interesting.

Well I'm married.

Aaron is almost four years older than me.

Is she a sibling though?

She is the oldest and you're the oldest.

I'm the oldest, So.

You have two olders, which is very interesting.

Do you guys?

Are you both really like responsible, like type a like want to get it off?

He is, Okay, she is.

She is, but she also is like add which I just discovered I do too.

I did this brain scan with this guy, doctor Amen, and it's fucking amazing.

It was three days injecting like literally radioactive material in your body, but it's safe and he has this scanner.

You can google him.

He's like incredible.

He was on that podcast as Yeah, and you go through this process and he can map out your brain, see your brain.

There's holes in your brain of where you've had trauma, whether it be you know, physical trauma, emotional trauma.

And then he can really see the ADHD brain because there's actual physical holes in it, even though they're not actual holes, but that's what they sort of come out as in and I've always kind of known it.

And he's like, yeah, you have fucking add I'm like, I know.

My husband has really bad I just I just like put this patch on.

I'm starting this weird medication that's like only four and a half milligrams, just to see if the ship works, you know, is.

It like an add or like my he might do so well if he could, like my husband's ADHD is yeah, not great.

But he tried things to help focusing and help all of that, and he always has like horrible side effects, so he's not on anything.

My husband I balance each other out because he's like just fucking fall ass backwards into like non scheduled day and I'm my god, what is that.

I've never heard of that.

I'm like your husband, You're probably like my wife.

I'm the same thing.

I hate schedule.

I hate plans.

I fucking hate it.

Every plan that we make go even a week out.

When the day comes around, I'm like, I don't want to do that.

And now I'm locked in.

Oh god, and.

I've I've done it right.

I've established myself amongst my friends and peers that this is who I am.

So you need to get offended offended bail just because yeah I want to Yeah, what do you want to do some Thursday.

I'm like, yeah, maybe, I don't know.

It's just like we'll figure it out.

Like that's gonna be on my headstone, We'll figure it out.

It out.

I have this thing that happened last year.

It was a mom group that on the West Side that rents like a club that only plays nineties and two thousands music.

Yeah, like hip hop and yeah and the only women.

And it starts at six thirty and it's a complete wrap by nine.

Thirty that is amazing and hysterical all the same time.

It's like mostly moms.

Yeah, it's really great because you can like put your fucking drink down anywhere.

You can wear absolute garbage sweatpants.

Yeah, like whatever, nobody's just up.

Nobody has made up, Like nobody tried.

I've never been at a line at a bar at six thirty with just like all tired moms and danced so hard.

Wait a minute, is this is this a place or is this something that you do rent out a space.

They rented out.

It's a mom group friends of mine that they rented out.

How often does this happen?

It's like once a year.

And it's two nights before my birthday this year.

And I'm not that big of a birthday person either, but what I'm coming from the valley, yeah, there on the west side, So I'm getting a party bus.

Yeah.

This is so great.

I'll be home in bed asleep by ten.

This is so great.

And it's the best you dance with like old school recaband in of like.

How many women are there?

Oh, it's probably like three hundred.

Holy fuck?

So this is a this is this like a public party that you can go to?

Well, no, it's only like underground like word of mouth.

Oh my god.

And it was really fun last year, Like each mom group there were so many textings like have you heard?

Have you heard?

Like it's happening yeah, and like each like this is what the Santa Monica moms did, This is what the Valley moms did, This is what the Beverly Hills.

I mean, look, it's no one's fancy by any stretch.

It's like very very down.

I feel like this needs to be something like either like a short form documentary or centered around some sort of crazy you know, comedy like a like a bridesmaid style comedy centered around this, like it is fun.

It is fun to like not worry about Yeah, like no one's worried about their drinks or getting too drunk told themselves, or like you know, feeling like they have.

To be like sexy when they dance.

I'm not that anyone feels that way anyway, but he does change the vibe when like there are no dudes there.

Yeah, our men and women's just so funny and what a different species we actually are.

Imagine if I had a middle aged, three hundred person dance party for only dudes, I mean, just picture the scene it would It would not go well.

I don't know if anyone would even dance.

It would just be like, dude, no.

They feel so uncomfortable.

I think they would feel really weird.

No, I mean, I know, like my brother friend and my husband loved to dance like there too.

Oh at a wedding like that.

That that gets such a I mean, honestly, y'all should try it.

I used to have a dance crew called the Rice Crispies Snap Crackling Pop so I was in high school.

Like I love to dance, like I was like practicing in the week.

This guy Logic was my coach.

I was doing floor work and fucking I mean, I was heavy, heavy into the nineties hip hop scene.

We get a revival of snap Crackle pop.

I think so, Yeah, I think so.

I mean like hip hop like hip.

Hop, oh for sure, yes, yeah, I mean it wasn't choreography as far as like freestyle White Boy, Pacific Palisades dancing you know.

Wow, Well I think dance is good.

I mean I've reintroduced dance as a forty year old woman.

I go to like dance classes now.

It's awesome, olda taka just like because I honestly, I fucking hate working out and that's fun and I like that I have to try to remember steps.

I feel like that's good.

Good for your brain.

Yeah, I don't know.

I've sort of feel I don't know, maybe turning forty two forty three, like I feel I actually like odd.

And I think it's from having kids and like raising them with my brother and my hu.

But like I just feel like better about like almost like my body and moving than I ever did in my.

Own Yeah, one hundred percent.

My mom.

You know, my mom's a dancer.

That's what she wanted to be, and she became Goldie.

But like she was a dancer.

That's what she did, that's what she wanted to do.

She taught little girls ballet.

It's eighteen years old in New York City, all by herself.

She's got the most amazing stories you could possibly imagine of coming up and how she made it, and it's unbelievable.

My sister was an amazing dancer.

My daughter right now is on her first dance team, so she's dancing like seven days a week and she's beautiful, like just a beautiful dancer.

Incredible dance is great.

I've like rediscovered it.

I'm so into it.

I'm like, I'll fucking shake it with anybody now.

Oh yeah, what was weird?

I'm on this show right now.

I know I want to talk to you about it.

I just had Chrissy on too, you did, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And we've been and my wife and I've been watching it.

We're like four episodes in.

I know what goes down though, because I wanted to talk to you all about it, like Ryan, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I know you're not you don't care about spoilers and shit.

Right, Yeah, but it is.

It's fun, man, it's fun.

But we danced a lot on that show, a kind of dance I'd never done, which was I've never spent time in the South never and we went honky tonk line dancing most weekends when we were shooting that show.

There was a bar that's in the first episode called Coyote Joe's that's in Charlotte.

It's about a five hundred person dance floor.

Wow, get there from like six to eight and you learn the shit and then at eight o'clock, like if everyone's going right and you're going left, you're getting trampled like crazy.

So fun and a type of dance I've never I've never been like a girl hat bring human being and I just got into it.

So the whole cast we went time.

I didn't really get it until I saw the first few episodes and I was like, holy shit, Like you know, I was just like out to lunch being my like unhinged self.

It is so funny.

I had landed like a pig and shit, Like I was like, you know, my mother talks like this, like yeah, third generation Queen's like the fact that you know it's hard.

I think I feel like I book a lot of things.

I don't know if you feel this way too, that where people are like you are the person or it's a version of one hundred percent when someone's going to trust you and say like, oh no, no, I want you to be a East Texas preacher's wife with ha hair and accent and shoot guns and shit.

I was like me, okay, like that's the best.

Like I felt like I was like back, so fun, yeah, doing campy Like you know, I was a theater nerd.

I'm a big theater kid and I never even thought I was going to move to LA I told my mom.

I said, I didn't even take driver's at I said, why, I'm living in New York City for the rest of my life.

I'm only doing theater.

I'm never ever so when I think the show was so fun because we just got to be like kind of like unapologetically like loud about it.

Yeah, like that's how it felt when we were in there.

No, I know I was going to ask you about that because for so, you come on the screen.

I know you from your other work, but I've been watching you and you come on I'm like, holy shit, is this do I have the right person on right now, like buy yeah, you get the New York vibe.

You know, you're the city girl, like you know, it's funny to see.

So when you're creating that character and I'm interested in this just even as an actor, and you make the choice to sort of present this person like that and go big right and really be out there.

Did you were you nervous about that or did you have to sort of perform it a little bit and understand sort of what it was.

Did it just come out of you?

Did you work with creators on saying this is kind of what I'm vibing on, this is what I'm feeling.

Well, you know what's funny.

I I audition for everything, like me too, so glad there are actors that get like offers and shit.

But actually and I actually like auditioning because I feel like we've agreed upon in a way what my taking on a basic level.

When I auditioned, I auditioned for a different role Cali, because you know, I didn't want to die.

Yeah, there's a one year deal.

This was like our first audition, and so my whole team was like, well, you should probably go for the one that's like going to be on seasons.

So I auditioned for Kelli, but I read the pilot and I was like, oh fuck, I'm a Jill.

I'm a Jill.

I know I'm a Jill.

I could do Jill if they let me do it.

And they called right after and they were like, we really like our Cali, but will she retape for Jill?

And it sort of took I teased my hair.

I looked at you know, like joel Ostine, like famous creatures, what their wives are like, what they dress like, what what you know?

You know what what a sort of clutching your pearls high or the hair closer to God type vibe would be.

And I just I backed, she's the shit out of my hair.

I put on the southern accent.

I dressed kind of primly and like and then I was like I get this.

And then we were just they they they agreed like it was like we were there.

Sort of took care of itself oddly on I've worked in Shondaland for like fifteen years and all the shows I've done there, she's word perfect and yeah, that script is Bible.

You got and that is scary to me.

I am a very free form actor where I liked to improv or throw shit around or that would be so scary.

To be like you that is not like I remember the first like a few episodes of Scandal, like she just was like Shanda was like what you say is up to me.

How you say it is up to you, but like full stop, that's it.

And and this was the first show I've been on that I can really remember where Rebecca, you know, we would get takes that were how it like you're saying how it was on the page.

But a lot of those like hunting wife scenes where all the wives are there and we're drinking Memoia Floody Mary's, and everyone's kind of got their part.

There's like the one who always says the most brash thing, or I'm always like, oh my god, don't say a bad word and all and sexy as hell, like everyone's got their lane.

But yes, but the but the but the group energy is bigger than any of one of us come by.

And we improved the shit out of those scenes that it's a living, breathing thing and I'd never done that, and I thought it was the best.

So fun, so fun.

I mean, you go into like a fugue state, like you're just so like really alive and yeah, and it was that really really fun.

And I've gotten now to do like Scandali guys, but inventing Anna too, Like I've done a few shows now where it's a lot of like women in scenes and I'm very like, it's just a fucking blast, Like it's just like on the dance floor in Santa Monica.

And my birthday exactly with Shonda though, like can you say ums or ifs or nothing at all?

Like it has to be bang bang bang, yeah, And when you does, she correct you because I'm sure it happens all the time where actors come in and add little things wow, not improving lines, but it's just saying, uh something like that.

You know, the script supervisor would come in immediately and even like guest stars would know pretty quick like that doesn't happen here.

Scandal was a specific case because we had something called scandal Pace where forty two minute show where we had ninety page scripts.

So she was like, we don't have time.

Style of this show is you know?

She was she was, I mean, you know, she loved West Wing, she loves Sorkin, so like ye she was going for a vibe where there was no time for fumbling words or leaving space to think, like and and thank god our casting director, because it's not something that all actors thrive in, just like how I wouldn't thrive in like always killing amazing improv buttons like that's not my jam, Like I I thrived in a really calculated script environment like that reminds me of like theater school or something.

No, they and the casting director did a great job because she I think through a lot of actors in there, that is that they are good at that.

Yeah, like the Josh Molinas, the you know the people they were like that's what they talk really fast.

They don't make stuff up.

There's no ans or a or none of that.

Yeah, then you get it to set where that's the skill.

And I have to say I was like, oh shit, like I muscle, I was like, oh my god, I don't like, first of all, I better be saying correct things like I don't know come from a place of like bless her heart, like that doesn't.

Roll off MYNDF right right.

I got a couple of the wives are actually from Texas, and I kind of used them dramaturgically, Like I was like, what would a preacher's wife like say, like what would be things so I can keep them in my arsenal of like because I don't you know, you know if I was here and I'd be like, you know, you motherfucker whatever, like that's fine, but.

I can't, no, no, weird to break into that.

Yeah, like I'm like improvising as a preachers.

Well, yeah, that's so fun.

Really fun.

It was really really fun.

We had the best time we all lived in Charlotte.

It was the first time I'd ever left my kids.

How was that, by the way, because that's such a huge part of my career, my life or lack of career in some instances, because they played such a big part in me working and where I was working and how long I was working.

Yeah, it was really This was the first time.

My kids are so young that I've taken them everywhere exactly and amazingly have been wildly supported with my previous bosses of like helping us find locations for nannies and help and my husband coming and that's how we've always rocked it.

And then this like they everyone told me they're going to get in school and you're not gonna be able to take them out, and that's you know, like and that's sort of what happened.

I knew this was a finite job.

It was four or five months in Charlotte, and that Jill was going to die and like, so I didn't need to, like and I didn't really want to move my family to Charlotte.

So this was the time.

I you know, I did like thirteen round trip flights in I know, I.

Know, it's so crazy, it's so crazy, but yeah.

And I had so much anxiety about it and being a bad mom and like, oh.

I had to go back on lexapro after I did Nashville, or in the middle of doing Nashville.

I did Nashville show called Nashville in Nashville, And.

If Connie Brittain was Connie, he said, for you did I was her babysitter for a while.

She's a dear friend of mine.

I fucking love Connie's the best I was supposed to be.

She was the one I had had every side job.

I worked at this restaurant called Ammo for years and years in years.

Oh my god, I loved the island.

Yeah, yeah, yes, I'm sure I waited on you and family, never used them for catering.

I'd probably been in your homes, but's so money.

I ran their catering department.

I catered all their weddings.

But I also was a waitress there for years and years, and I was a babysitter and a nanny and a bartender and all the jobs.

But I always said, I'm never going to be a personal assistant, because I just think that's now crossing another line where like somebody's life and passions has to sort of be more your own.

The only person I said I do itfore was Connie Britton because she lived up the street, and I was like, she's the best actress in the world, and maybe I can learn something and someone will give me a shot at this.

We met for like three or four hours, and she called me a few days later and she said, you know, Katie, I was scrolling the channels, which we used to do back in the day, and I came across you as a guest star on Private Practice, and I don't think you should be my personal assistant.

I think I should try one more pilot season, come babysit for me, you know.

On like a few days a week and let's see what happens.

And the next week I booked Scandal.

Ah, how old were you when you book Scandal twenty eight?

And how long were you in LA trying to make it happen.

I moved to LA when I was twenty four, but I had already been auditioning in New York since I was yeah, twenty, so it took like eight years of I mean, I'd been acting my whole life, but my didn't do it professionally till I was twenty.

But then I saw the best part was like Nashville was ABC and Scanner was ABC, so I always see her out on red carpet events and she would just be like I knew it, Like you were gonna get a job, Like you got a job.

We're like cool, you love performing.

It was just everything that you wanted.

My brother was like the sports guy, like he really like, you know, lacrosse football, He was in band, and we were always really close.

I think it helped that we were so drastically different, Like he came to all of my shows, which got really weird in college because I went to Tishchoo the Arts.

In every fucking show, we were naked and gyrating on each other.

And god knows what.

My nephew is a tisha right now, Katie's Kate.

My son's Kate's kid.

Oh really, Oh my god.

And then he has a friend.

He has a friend who was there too, who was in I don't know the schools, but a certain school.

Yeah.

And she had to get out because no, because she was like, this is too crazy.

Experimental theater way.

I don't know, but but especially in today's age, there's people rolling around in like, you know, furry outfits, like dragging a litter box behind them, you know, and it's just right.

She's just like, Okay, I want to be an actor.

This is not what I need to do.

Yes, my parents would come and my little brother and I went to all of his sport things.

People don't understand them, but it was understood that you supported your other person's past.

Sure, full stop.

I think it was helpful that we were really different.

But in college, I remember I did one play where someone like I bare my chest, someone feels them and then someone is like masturbating in like a plastic.

Oh my god, And this is this is what your brother has to go watch.

Not only that, but in like a thirty seat black box theater where it's not even like a proscenium where there's any difference between the audience that and the lights are on because the audience feel fucking uncomfortable.

I will have you know.

This play is called Beirute.

It would have en off Broadway.

Marisa Tome was in it, so it's like legit, Okay.

It was directed by Leslie Hedlund, who has become a She's a big jenixa Bravo, who's another like all these people have.

But my brother sat there turned completely green.

My parents were like, we miss you doing the musicals, your clothes on.

I'm like, I am a serious dramatic actress.

Yeah, I don't know if you knew, but I am an artist.

I see wanted that and that involves nudity and read ridiculous ridiculous behavior.

But you know what was important because.

Well I was going to ask you this, and this is leading into that.

Did tish going to such a revered place?

I mean, this is the spot to go?

Yeah, did it make you a good actor?

Did it actually make you a good actor or did it just sort of like open you up to experiences?

You have relationships?

You know, you met people best four.

Years of my life.

Okay, for all reasons.

I think pushing.

I think tish is what you make of it.

I think if you are like I sucked that school for every more soul I could.

I was in a million plays.

I made a million connections of friends that are still my dearest, closest friends today.

Started a theater company in la eighteen years ago with all my best friends from tischco the Arts.

We had on Broadway last year.

So of me, But I am like a like a you know, I was very aware of like make the most of it.

There were a lot of kids that didn't do plays or didn't audition for the plays.

They just did the classes and learned other great things.

Like never I'm never going to say that an acting education is not something that you can use in a lot of different things and a lot of different.

Of course, because acting is about experience, you know, it's not just about delivering a line.

And there's so many confidence and exploration and nudity and so much newdy, so much nudity.

But all that exploration was so important because I kind of got it done in college and then like when I graduated, I wasn't I didn't need to do like I was really ready for like professional life, Like I felt that sort of explored all those avenues where you're like an eighteen to twenty year old artist thinking that you are going to change the world with shitty downtown theater.

Like that was an important part of like me failing, I think, or me figuring it out.

You know, Yeah, that's what you put into it, Like you said, like all you went all in and you got a lot out of it.

I got so much out of it.

I loved it so so so much.

My best friends are still from there.

Well, I love you started a theater company.

That's cool.

I you know, I've never done a play or been on stage doing a play or musical in my life.

Gone, I'm doing theater with us.

Well, this is what I'm saying.

So there's a part of me now that almost turning fifty, where I feel like I'm ready because I was so afraid of it.

I love being in front of people.

I love making people laugh, you know, I can feed off of that energy.

The thing that scared me the most was forgetting lines and completely looking like an asshole.

Like that part to me was the most I was most afraid of.

But I've been talking to my agents even I'm like, I know this is crazy, but like I feel like I want to do a fucking play and I don't know what to play.

It's the fucking best trying to fucking forget your lines because you've never done something that had a four week rehearsal.

No.

Yeah, at the time you get up there, you are good to go.

Your shipping backwards and forwards, and it's all about fucking around in the mint in like the nuances and the wow like it's you.

I think you would love it because you're really First of all.

The other most inspiring thing about theater is I went to Greece this year.

For the you were in June, mid June.

It was amazed.

Was like sitting at the theater of Dionysus thirty nine hundred year old and you're like, this is stands the test of time.

Shit, people standing up in the live way telling stories and that is like, yeah, there's nothing.

I mean, I don't think there's anything, but I think that is the sickest high when you walk off a stage and you just.

It's the oh yeah yeah.

But also it's the thing about like you're so good at like control, like you will be able to feed off of laughter and like all that stuff.

It's immediate, like.

Oh god, I love that song.

You're film and TV where I'm like, did somebody get moved?

Like because you know, you know in the theater, you know when they have palm in their hand and people are listening and you go where you know when they've sat back.

You also know when they've fallen asleep, know it all.

I love that stuff though.

This was such a blast.

It was so much fun.

And don't forget everybody.

The Hunting Wives is streaming on Netflix.

If you haven't heard of this or seen it yet, then you're way out of the loop.

You must check it out.

It's fun, it's dangerous, it's salacious, it's sexy, it's all of the things.

So much for having me on.

This was so fun.

Thank you for playing around.

This is the best.

Time ye Cay bye bye.

I think she might be my new best friend.

She's so great.

Her energy is so great and it's so funny because I've been watching The Hunting Wives and I had this idea of who she was and she's so done up and her hair is huge and her makeup is thick, and then she comes on.

I'm like, oh shit, very cool, very cool, very cool.

And then maybe you know what's fun about doing these fucking podcasts is that you never know, of course, who you're gonna mean, what kind of connection you're gonna have.

Let's just hypothetically say we do connect and she sends me a play, and I audition or whatever.

I ended up doing a play, which is something that I've never done in my life, and then let's just say I'm good in it, and then let's just say it goes to Broadway, and then let's just say I win a Tony.

This all could happen, you guys, So I might win a Tony, is what I'm trying to say.

Day, There's a very good chance that I went to Tony.

Anyway, I'm out.

I gotta go bight, hm,