1 00:00:01,625 --> 00:00:03,791 When we talk about psychedelics, most of the time 2 00:00:03,791 --> 00:00:07,833 we focus on healing and trauma, depression or addiction. 3 00:00:07,833 --> 00:00:11,708 But what if these medicines could also be used functionally 4 00:00:11,750 --> 00:00:15,458 to expand awareness, strengthen relationships, and elevate leadership? 5 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:17,875 Welcome back to The Psychedelic Podcast. 6 00:00:17,875 --> 00:00:21,250 I'm your host, Paul Austin, and today I'm speaking with Jay Fiset, 7 00:00:21,791 --> 00:00:25,750 a bestselling author, entrepreneur, and founder of The Psychedelic 8 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:29,583 Coach Accelerator, which we'll talk a lot about in the episode today. 9 00:00:29,583 --> 00:00:33,166 So Jay's work explores what he calls functional psychedelics. 10 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:35,958 How can we use these medicines intentionally, 11 00:00:35,958 --> 00:00:39,791 not just for healing the past, but for consciously creating the future? 12 00:00:40,166 --> 00:00:42,791 We talk about how these experiences can deepen intimacy 13 00:00:42,791 --> 00:00:46,250 between couples, enhance emotional intelligence for leaders, 14 00:00:46,416 --> 00:00:50,166 and bring more integrity into the psychedelic coaching space. 15 00:00:50,708 --> 00:00:52,208 We also unpack what it takes 16 00:00:52,208 --> 00:00:55,625 to guide others safely, why trauma aware practices matter, 17 00:00:55,958 --> 00:01:00,291 and how integration is becoming the true frontier of innovation in this movement. 18 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:03,583 Now Jay has an event coming up, the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator. 19 00:01:03,583 --> 00:01:05,000 In November 20th to 22nd. 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,416 I am speaking at this event. 21 00:01:07,416 --> 00:01:09,583 Jay is a close friend. 22 00:01:09,583 --> 00:01:11,125 He's also a coach of mine, 23 00:01:11,125 --> 00:01:13,666 someone I've been working with over the last few months, 24 00:01:13,666 --> 00:01:17,166 and the psychedelic coach Accelerator is for coaches and practitioners 25 00:01:17,166 --> 00:01:19,166 who want to weave psychedelics into their practice. 26 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:22,166 Specifically, focus on how to scale your business. 27 00:01:22,583 --> 00:01:24,125 So you want to check it out. 28 00:01:24,125 --> 00:01:28,000 Now, before we get into the episode today, let's just hear a quick word 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,583 from our sponsors. 30 00:01:29,583 --> 00:01:31,500 Did you know that over 4 million 31 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:35,291 people microdose psychedelics last year in the United States, 32 00:01:35,291 --> 00:01:39,541 and yet so few have real guidance on how to do it safely and effectively? 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Welcome. 87 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:53,791 Thank you brother, I really appreciate being here. 88 00:04:53,791 --> 00:04:58,083 And, to have the conversation about our summit on the training program. 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,541 Yeah. 90 00:05:00,541 --> 00:05:03,833 And I mean, here's the honest to goodness truth is that everything 91 00:05:03,833 --> 00:05:07,083 that goes online technically probably could be called a summit. 92 00:05:07,083 --> 00:05:10,666 It's just a this is a three day live experience that based on our, 93 00:05:11,208 --> 00:05:15,583 you know, 35 years in this space, is, experiential, live in person 94 00:05:15,583 --> 00:05:19,333 where people actually create and develop the process in real time. 95 00:05:19,666 --> 00:05:22,416 So so that's one of the reason why I get a little it's like, no, no, no, 96 00:05:22,416 --> 00:05:23,125 this one's the training. 97 00:05:23,125 --> 00:05:26,375 This is not just sit listening to somebody in a prerecorded format. 98 00:05:26,625 --> 00:05:29,041 But anyway, I really appreciate being here. 99 00:05:29,041 --> 00:05:31,083 And I am so thrilled that you are going to be participating. 100 00:05:31,083 --> 00:05:31,958 We get to talk about, 101 00:05:31,958 --> 00:05:36,000 the microdosing certification, at the psychedelic Go to accelerate. 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,916 That's going to be so fantastic. 103 00:05:37,916 --> 00:05:40,833 So let's let's do a little bit of a catch up. 104 00:05:40,833 --> 00:05:43,625 Since you were on the podcast last. 105 00:05:43,625 --> 00:05:47,250 I don't remember the exact date, but it was probably 2 or 3 years ago 106 00:05:47,250 --> 00:05:51,041 that you came on with with Cory to talk about the connection experience 107 00:05:51,041 --> 00:05:54,041 that has since really blossomed and developed into something greater. 108 00:05:54,041 --> 00:05:57,416 So just kind of give our listeners a little bit of the overview of 109 00:05:57,416 --> 00:06:01,250 what have you been up to over the last few years specific to, 110 00:06:01,250 --> 00:06:04,250 psychedelics coaching and business building? 111 00:06:04,708 --> 00:06:08,875 Wow. I will just do chapter titles, but here's something great 112 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:13,833 that I actually want to just point out is that yesterday was our three year 113 00:06:13,833 --> 00:06:18,750 anniversary of our first connection experience beta test. 114 00:06:19,125 --> 00:06:20,833 Exactly three years to the day. 115 00:06:20,833 --> 00:06:24,875 So we would have been about you, you interviewed us when we were about, 116 00:06:24,875 --> 00:06:26,083 six months in. 117 00:06:26,083 --> 00:06:27,958 So it'd be about two and a half years ago that we came 118 00:06:27,958 --> 00:06:31,041 and talked about the connection experience, and that really opened up 119 00:06:31,375 --> 00:06:34,666 the US market, for us, which I you know, I've said this to you before, 120 00:06:34,666 --> 00:06:36,250 I will say it again, which we are deeply grateful 121 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:39,666 for your support and willingness to share what we were up to. 122 00:06:40,458 --> 00:06:43,916 So in a nutshell, and I'll, put this in context, 123 00:06:43,916 --> 00:06:46,708 my dear wife and I are, fundamentally high school sweethearts. 124 00:06:46,708 --> 00:06:48,333 As we were heading towards our 25th wedding 125 00:06:48,333 --> 00:06:50,166 anniversary, we didn't think we were going to make it. 126 00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:53,291 We had been, doing all sorts of things, and we'd have. 127 00:06:53,625 --> 00:06:55,000 And it wasn't. Nothing was terrible. 128 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,583 We just had created this space and distance between us and, 129 00:07:00,250 --> 00:07:03,958 we would be able to bridge it for a while, and then I would go back and, 130 00:07:04,833 --> 00:07:07,791 we'd been invited to try psychedelics a couple of times. 131 00:07:07,791 --> 00:07:10,791 At that stage in our life, we were like, oh, no, not that. 132 00:07:10,958 --> 00:07:15,750 Ultimately, I tried it, had an absolutely transformational experience. 133 00:07:15,958 --> 00:07:20,208 Came home, had that talk with Cory that led to a basically 134 00:07:20,208 --> 00:07:23,041 about a two and a half year exploration of psychedelics for ourselves. 135 00:07:23,041 --> 00:07:25,208 We went and got certified, and then we started doing this thing 136 00:07:25,208 --> 00:07:28,375 called the connection experience, which really mirrored the process 137 00:07:28,375 --> 00:07:31,500 that we had invented for us to heal ourselves. 138 00:07:31,583 --> 00:07:33,750 And I think together we lost like 60 pounds. 139 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,291 We transformed our relationship, parenting all those pieces. 140 00:07:36,291 --> 00:07:40,875 So three years ago yesterday, we, beta tested 141 00:07:40,875 --> 00:07:44,791 this experience, wondering, would anybody else like it? 142 00:07:44,791 --> 00:07:46,583 Would it be meaningful? All the rest of it. 143 00:07:46,583 --> 00:07:51,708 And if we fast forward three years, we have, supported and, assisted 144 00:07:52,041 --> 00:07:56,416 over 400 of those experiences, with, 145 00:07:56,583 --> 00:07:59,583 I think, 78 different couples, because most of the couples who come back, 146 00:07:59,583 --> 00:08:01,416 come back and do a process called the ritual, 147 00:08:01,416 --> 00:08:03,625 which is a bundle of these things together. 148 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:07,458 And, in that process, we have, 149 00:08:07,916 --> 00:08:10,750 you know, there's there's just a multitude of beautiful experiences, 150 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:11,708 but here's some of the like 151 00:08:11,708 --> 00:08:15,916 some of the highlights, we have had, three of those couples get married. 152 00:08:16,208 --> 00:08:18,750 I married, one of them. 153 00:08:18,750 --> 00:08:20,166 I was just actually yesterday 154 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:23,458 asked to, book in February of next year, another marriage. 155 00:08:24,125 --> 00:08:27,083 We've renewed vows for couples in Greece. 156 00:08:27,083 --> 00:08:31,250 So we've really just done this incredible experience of helping couples 157 00:08:31,458 --> 00:08:36,041 bridge the gap between them and create a space for intimacy and connection 158 00:08:36,750 --> 00:08:40,000 so that when we talked the first time, that was all we were offering. 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,375 And we were clear. That's all we are offering. 160 00:08:41,375 --> 00:08:43,708 We are not doing anymore. This is what we love. 161 00:08:43,708 --> 00:08:45,166 This is what what's fantastic. 162 00:08:45,166 --> 00:08:48,166 And then, what transpired is we had couples who had 163 00:08:49,333 --> 00:08:51,791 one on one work and we said, go find somebody else. 164 00:08:51,791 --> 00:08:53,458 And what we discovered very quickly 165 00:08:53,458 --> 00:08:55,583 is that the caliber and the quality of that work out 166 00:08:55,583 --> 00:08:57,125 there is not necessarily 167 00:08:57,125 --> 00:09:00,125 what our clients are used to or what we wanted them to experience. 168 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:02,291 So we started doing personal journeys. 169 00:09:02,291 --> 00:09:04,708 And in that process, we referred a bunch of folks 170 00:09:04,708 --> 00:09:06,416 to the training organization that we did. 171 00:09:06,416 --> 00:09:09,750 And then that training organization sort of went through some transitions 172 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:10,708 and we couldn't do that. 173 00:09:10,708 --> 00:09:12,958 So then people were asking us, well, would you train us? 174 00:09:12,958 --> 00:09:15,875 Because we've trained quite literally thousands of coaches and facilitators 175 00:09:15,875 --> 00:09:18,333 and our personal development transformation work. 176 00:09:18,333 --> 00:09:21,666 So we designed a program called Foundations Psychedelic Guide 177 00:09:21,666 --> 00:09:22,500 certification. 178 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:25,750 We've developed a couples microdosing program 179 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:28,750 that I think it's the only couples microdosing program on planet Earth. 180 00:09:28,791 --> 00:09:31,875 We have rolled out our own, 181 00:09:31,875 --> 00:09:35,375 microdosing, product line and are in the process of refining that. 182 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:39,208 So, I'm missing a few things in there as well. 183 00:09:39,208 --> 00:09:43,166 I call some international retreats, called the Vision Retreat for couples. 184 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,875 And of course, our weekly integration, 185 00:09:46,875 --> 00:09:50,291 membership platform called Integrate: What Happens In Between. 186 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:53,666 So we haven't been doing much. 187 00:09:53,666 --> 00:09:55,666 We've developed into, 188 00:09:55,666 --> 00:09:59,125 kind of a cool, strong seven figure business for what? 189 00:09:59,708 --> 00:10:01,625 You know, we have called our accidental business. 190 00:10:01,625 --> 00:10:04,625 We we never came to this with a commercial intent. 191 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:07,458 But it unfolded based on 192 00:10:07,458 --> 00:10:10,458 demand and request and us listening to our clients and our tribe. 193 00:10:10,458 --> 00:10:12,708 And what else should I say about all of that? 194 00:10:12,708 --> 00:10:17,666 Which really brings us to, I'm in the process of coaching 195 00:10:17,666 --> 00:10:21,208 and consulting a variety of people in the psychedelic space 196 00:10:21,541 --> 00:10:25,250 and, a ton of our sort of community and coaches and consultants 197 00:10:25,250 --> 00:10:26,541 and therapists keep showing up. 198 00:10:26,541 --> 00:10:28,708 And it's like, how do you do that? 199 00:10:28,708 --> 00:10:31,375 And, we finally decided we'd put together a three day 200 00:10:31,375 --> 00:10:33,666 program called the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator 201 00:10:33,666 --> 00:10:37,333 to share the context, the framework and the fundamentals 202 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:41,000 of what it takes in this weird, unique and beautiful space, 203 00:10:41,291 --> 00:10:45,541 psychedelic work that was as fast as I could possibly say that. So. 204 00:10:46,916 --> 00:10:49,625 One question that's coming up, and I imagine some of our listeners 205 00:10:49,625 --> 00:10:53,500 are also having this question, is, you know, personal development work 206 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:57,458 and the sort of foundation that you laid through building that business. 207 00:10:57,458 --> 00:11:02,791 It really is a good foundation for stepping into psychedelics. 208 00:11:02,791 --> 00:11:06,875 And yeah, as you know, you would likely agree, psychedelics add another layer 209 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:11,375 of complexity and challenge and nuance in terms of the particularities, 210 00:11:11,375 --> 00:11:15,083 not only legally, but also transference and counter transference 211 00:11:15,083 --> 00:11:18,875 and suggestibility and vulnerability and things like this. 212 00:11:18,875 --> 00:11:22,500 So talk us through a little bit about, you know, how is, 213 00:11:23,625 --> 00:11:27,208 how is the training that you're now doing 214 00:11:27,208 --> 00:11:30,666 and sort of the way that you stepped into this role, sort of emergent? Lee. 215 00:11:31,208 --> 00:11:32,333 How is that different? 216 00:11:32,333 --> 00:11:35,791 Maybe from what you had done for for decades in the past? 217 00:11:35,791 --> 00:11:36,458 Because I know there's 218 00:11:36,458 --> 00:11:39,666 a lot of overlap and similarity, but what are some unique things specific 219 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:41,583 to the psychedelic space that you've sort of picked up on 220 00:11:41,583 --> 00:11:45,000 and recognize as you've started to really integrate into it? 221 00:11:45,958 --> 00:11:49,541 As psychedelics move into the mainstream, we need trained and ethical professionals 222 00:11:49,541 --> 00:11:50,458 who can guide others 223 00:11:50,458 --> 00:11:55,500 through these powerful experiences with care, skill and integrity. 224 00:11:55,666 --> 00:11:59,291 And that's what our practitioner certification program is all about. 225 00:11:59,708 --> 00:12:03,875 Over six months, you'll learn how to coach at the leading edge, combining 226 00:12:03,875 --> 00:12:08,208 neuroscience, integration frameworks and trauma informed practices. 227 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:12,000 This program also includes a transformational in-person intensive 228 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,791 in Costa Rica, where you'll get hands on experience with psilocybin 229 00:12:15,791 --> 00:12:19,458 mushrooms and connect deeply with a cohort of fellow visionaries. 230 00:12:19,458 --> 00:12:23,416 If you feel called to lead in this space, we'd love to support your path, 231 00:12:23,791 --> 00:12:27,541 learn more and apply today at Psychedelic Coaching Institute. 232 00:12:28,041 --> 00:12:30,875 Or you can find the link in the description. 233 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:34,208 Man, that's a great question and there are so many aspects to it. 234 00:12:34,458 --> 00:12:39,250 And I think, this might be a slightly off term to your question, but 235 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:43,291 I want to say this first because I think it's going to help, arrange what follows. 236 00:12:43,625 --> 00:12:48,875 Which is this our core training, for coaches and guides and therapist 237 00:12:48,875 --> 00:12:52,875 and all sorts of things, that we call foundations really emphasizes 238 00:12:52,875 --> 00:12:56,083 this idea that you are already a successful coach. 239 00:12:56,083 --> 00:12:58,583 You already have a magic trick, you already have a process. 240 00:12:58,583 --> 00:13:02,750 You already have, most likely ten, 20, 30 very happy clients 241 00:13:02,750 --> 00:13:04,041 who've you've helped them build their business. 242 00:13:04,041 --> 00:13:05,291 You've helped them save their relationship. 243 00:13:05,291 --> 00:13:07,791 You've helped them get into shape. You've helped them shed trauma. 244 00:13:07,791 --> 00:13:09,875 You've helped them do a variety of pieces. 245 00:13:09,875 --> 00:13:11,916 And from our perspective, 246 00:13:13,083 --> 00:13:16,083 we don't think that psychedelics are a panacea. 247 00:13:16,333 --> 00:13:19,208 Like not everybody should take psychedelics in any way, shape or form. 248 00:13:19,208 --> 00:13:22,958 Not every coach or therapist should say, oh, hey, we should add mushrooms. 249 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 And, you know, you and I were joking earlier 250 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,333 that I literally was in a conversation with two different, 251 00:13:29,458 --> 00:13:33,708 people who are in the coaching unknown called intellectual property business, 252 00:13:34,125 --> 00:13:37,875 last week, both of whom had done mushrooms a few times, 253 00:13:38,166 --> 00:13:42,041 and then, decided their friend asked if they would do it with them. 254 00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:45,666 So they, they guided, supported SAT. 255 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:49,666 That's probably a better, version, 1 or 2 times. 256 00:13:49,916 --> 00:13:53,583 And then on the third time they both had a shit show on wheels, 257 00:13:53,583 --> 00:13:56,583 one including calling a ambulance. 258 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:59,166 And it's like, for the love of all things good in the world, what on earth made 259 00:13:59,166 --> 00:14:01,833 you think that you were capable of doing that? 260 00:14:01,833 --> 00:14:02,208 Like what? 261 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:06,416 Like on what planet is it I did mushrooms twice, 262 00:14:06,416 --> 00:14:09,708 and now I'm qualified to lead my friend who might be dealing 263 00:14:09,708 --> 00:14:11,583 with incredible trauma and all those pieces. 264 00:14:11,583 --> 00:14:15,541 So anyway, so I just I just need to say that that this is not for everyone. 265 00:14:15,833 --> 00:14:20,375 But if you are a coach, a therapist, a consultant who has a magic trick, 266 00:14:21,083 --> 00:14:24,458 and you can then look at that magic trick from the perspective of 267 00:14:24,708 --> 00:14:27,583 what would be the right medicine, what would be the right setting setting? 268 00:14:27,583 --> 00:14:28,958 What would be the right protocol? 269 00:14:28,958 --> 00:14:31,916 What would be the right support structure? What would be the right coach? 270 00:14:31,916 --> 00:14:36,416 What would be the right integration process that could accelerate that magic? 271 00:14:37,083 --> 00:14:39,666 That is kind of the magic trick that we look at. So. 272 00:14:39,666 --> 00:14:42,208 So going back to that, what I think the heart of your question was 273 00:14:43,333 --> 00:14:44,666 is what have we noticed from 274 00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:47,666 the old personal development world to the psychedelic world? 275 00:14:47,708 --> 00:14:50,500 Well, first and foremost is that when we are using such 276 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:53,500 a quantum accelerator and such a powerful tool 277 00:14:53,625 --> 00:14:56,625 is that we require more care. 278 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,416 You know, in the old days, we used to say in the personal development 279 00:14:59,416 --> 00:15:02,666 world, say, listen, if you're coaching and you help somebody 280 00:15:02,666 --> 00:15:04,833 and you guide somebody to make their own choice, 281 00:15:04,833 --> 00:15:08,708 the truth of the matter is that they don't need a PhD to make a choice. 282 00:15:08,958 --> 00:15:11,958 And you probably don't need a PhD to make a choice either. 283 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:14,791 However, what's different in the psychedelic space 284 00:15:14,791 --> 00:15:18,291 is that if we're dealing with someone who has an ACE score of eight, 285 00:15:19,333 --> 00:15:23,166 we can't be tossing them 3.5g of mushrooms and hoping that that's going to be okay. 286 00:15:23,625 --> 00:15:25,041 We can't do that. 287 00:15:25,041 --> 00:15:29,583 So care, concern, vetting, alignment, education, 288 00:15:29,833 --> 00:15:33,541 having a support team, to help you both bat and filter 289 00:15:33,708 --> 00:15:39,041 and to support with the integration piece are all requirements before you start. 290 00:15:39,583 --> 00:15:42,083 Not after not after the show, 291 00:15:43,208 --> 00:15:45,416 not after somebody says, please call 911. 292 00:15:45,416 --> 00:15:47,708 Those are that's just dumb ass. 293 00:15:47,708 --> 00:15:48,666 I don't know how else to put that. 294 00:15:48,666 --> 00:15:51,958 I mean that in the most serious and humorous sense. 295 00:15:51,958 --> 00:15:55,958 It's like the amount of the mastery in this space can be daunting. 296 00:15:56,041 --> 00:16:00,000 So care concern, vetting, filtering, team training, structure, knowledge. 297 00:16:00,958 --> 00:16:04,250 Those are those are the key differences, which is all different than, you know. 298 00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:05,958 It's like, hey, we're going to build a website 299 00:16:05,958 --> 00:16:07,750 and we're going to try and make sure that funnel works. 300 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:09,333 And if it doesn't work exactly right, 301 00:16:09,333 --> 00:16:12,333 we're going to change the color on the buy button. Like 302 00:16:12,541 --> 00:16:15,541 there's not much at risk on changing the color in the buy button. 303 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,958 Right? Okay. So this is good. 304 00:16:17,958 --> 00:16:19,916 And what I'm hearing a little bit is the practice 305 00:16:19,916 --> 00:16:21,375 versus the marketing, the business side. 306 00:16:21,375 --> 00:16:22,083 And I want to 307 00:16:22,083 --> 00:16:25,708 I want to stay focused, at least for now and a little bit more on the practice. 308 00:16:25,708 --> 00:16:26,791 And then I want to start to branch 309 00:16:26,791 --> 00:16:30,291 into marketing in business, because I think a lot of practitioners 310 00:16:30,875 --> 00:16:35,333 who are quite fluent in the psychedelic or healing arts or coaching space, 311 00:16:35,791 --> 00:16:39,541 the business side presents a lot of quagmires, 312 00:16:39,833 --> 00:16:44,291 for various reasons that we can for that, that we'll start to get into. 313 00:16:44,291 --> 00:16:47,291 But before we get into that, let's talk about the magic tricks, 314 00:16:47,416 --> 00:16:50,583 because I love this sort of framing that you have around, 315 00:16:50,833 --> 00:16:53,833 you know, psychedelics are these nonspecific amplifiers, and they can often 316 00:16:53,833 --> 00:16:57,041 make that magic trick even more, even more powerful. 317 00:16:57,041 --> 00:16:58,708 And yet, not all magic tricks are the same. 318 00:16:58,708 --> 00:17:00,166 There are some that are better than others, 319 00:17:00,166 --> 00:17:04,083 and I think some that are a better fit, maybe for psychedelic work in particular. 320 00:17:04,083 --> 00:17:07,333 So talk us through a few examples of what you've seen in your community 321 00:17:07,333 --> 00:17:11,250 or folks that you've worked with in terms of the magic tricks that they brought in, 322 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:17,250 and maybe how psychedelics have helped to amplify their capacity and skill sets? 323 00:17:18,333 --> 00:17:19,708 I love that one. 324 00:17:19,708 --> 00:17:22,791 And, and just give you fair warning, I can get carried away. 325 00:17:22,791 --> 00:17:25,458 And it's just tell me, stop talking whenever you like. 326 00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:30,041 So I'm going to start with one that, I think is really quite fascinating. 327 00:17:30,041 --> 00:17:33,583 And this is a woman who was a massage therapist for chronic pain 328 00:17:33,583 --> 00:17:39,541 and had a 20 year roster of clients who came to her not to eliminate the pain, 329 00:17:40,333 --> 00:17:42,708 but to cope with the pain that they carried 330 00:17:42,708 --> 00:17:45,708 day to day, moment to moment throughout their life. 331 00:17:45,875 --> 00:17:50,541 And, we helped her design a protocol and do a testing and tracking process 332 00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:54,875 where, she did a series of, and it was. 333 00:17:54,875 --> 00:17:57,333 And to be clear about this, when we talk about protocols, 334 00:17:57,333 --> 00:18:01,125 we are not talking about, this is the milligrams of medicine, 335 00:18:01,333 --> 00:18:03,708 and this is the time frame, and off you go home over. 336 00:18:03,708 --> 00:18:05,416 This is much more comprehensive than that. 337 00:18:05,416 --> 00:18:08,916 So she designed a protocol that included, 338 00:18:09,083 --> 00:18:13,291 her specific type of body work with varying doses of. 339 00:18:13,291 --> 00:18:15,375 In this case, it was MDMA. 340 00:18:15,375 --> 00:18:18,666 And, in her, in her sample of her beta test, 341 00:18:20,041 --> 00:18:22,416 I think it was 15 or 18, I that slipped my mind. 342 00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:24,208 But it's in the high teens. 343 00:18:24,208 --> 00:18:29,166 And in that beta test, if you take off the the one person that basically 344 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:30,166 all the pain disappeared, 345 00:18:30,166 --> 00:18:34,041 which is kind of interesting and perhaps psycho psychosomatic with that nose. 346 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:35,875 And the one person at the bottom, 347 00:18:35,875 --> 00:18:38,250 who actually lied on their intake and filtering process, 348 00:18:38,250 --> 00:18:40,625 and she'd never been in the entire process. 349 00:18:40,625 --> 00:18:42,875 And we look at that middle range. 350 00:18:42,875 --> 00:18:47,125 Is that in a, in a span of 12 weeks plus or minus two, 351 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:51,208 when the, folks could schedule all those sorts of things in the span of 12 weeks, 352 00:18:51,500 --> 00:18:56,583 the average was a reduction in just a hair under 40% of their day to day pain. 353 00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:58,500 So she had 354 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:02,041 a magic trick where she had this capacity to the pain as high as she 355 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:03,958 that they would massage, they would create some relaxation, 356 00:19:03,958 --> 00:19:06,416 they would do some stuff and it would go down, but it would come back up. 357 00:19:06,416 --> 00:19:11,250 But this was over a span of 90 days afterwards that they were still 358 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:15,000 at almost 40% less pain, day to day, moment to moment in their life. 359 00:19:15,541 --> 00:19:16,416 That's a magic trick. 360 00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:19,083 And that's a magic trick that, in her process, 361 00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:22,750 she was able to magnify and lengthen in terms of its influence 362 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:25,750 and its effectiveness and its, impact, which to me is 363 00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:28,291 utterly and completely spectacular. 364 00:19:28,291 --> 00:19:31,375 One thought to share on that, just to sort of back this up, even from a 365 00:19:31,958 --> 00:19:35,375 clinical research perspective, the University of Michigan, which go blew, 366 00:19:35,708 --> 00:19:40,958 in the last couple of years, has actually launched a academic research center 367 00:19:40,958 --> 00:19:45,750 to study the impact of psychedelics on pain and chronic pain in particular. 368 00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:46,458 And so they've shown 369 00:19:46,458 --> 00:19:49,708 in some early clinical research that psychedelics can be incredibly helpful, 370 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,541 and helping to resolve pain, because a lot of pain is something 371 00:19:53,541 --> 00:19:57,458 that's more stuck in the, the memory body is what they sort 372 00:19:57,458 --> 00:20:01,208 of call it, rather than it being actually a real issue, if you will. 373 00:20:01,208 --> 00:20:05,041 It's more neurological or nervous system based on it is actually physical. 374 00:20:05,875 --> 00:20:06,208 Of course. 375 00:20:06,208 --> 00:20:07,833 And if we were to think of phantom limb pain, 376 00:20:07,833 --> 00:20:09,583 for example, like the damn thing isn't even there. 377 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:12,333 And yet it's excruciating for the folks dealing with it. 378 00:20:12,333 --> 00:20:15,083 Exactly. Okay, so we have this pain example. 379 00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:18,875 What about, I can give you a quick business one. 380 00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:21,125 That's that's exactly what I was gonna ask for. 381 00:20:21,125 --> 00:20:23,791 Yeah. Quickness is like that. I can have that sense. 382 00:20:23,791 --> 00:20:27,666 So one of the things I didn't say that that, that we designed and developed, 383 00:20:27,666 --> 00:20:30,125 we developed a protocol called the Blast Off Mastermind, 384 00:20:30,125 --> 00:20:33,875 which is a very unique mastermind process aimed at entrepreneurs, day 385 00:20:33,875 --> 00:20:39,125 long, one very specific medicine, that is a cognitive enhancer, 386 00:20:39,541 --> 00:20:42,916 ego dissolvable and collaboration magnifier. 387 00:20:43,583 --> 00:20:47,208 And, and I'll give, one example of a gentleman 388 00:20:47,208 --> 00:20:50,500 that I have coached, just as an entrepreneurial coach 389 00:20:50,791 --> 00:20:54,125 now coming up for 10 or 12 years, when we started coaching together, 390 00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:57,250 his, construction business was doing about $800,000 a year. 391 00:20:58,541 --> 00:21:00,750 We built it and worked together, 392 00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:03,458 sort of settled in at about 3 to $5 million a year, depending on, 393 00:21:03,458 --> 00:21:05,833 you know, if one of those long term deals kind of popped in and, 394 00:21:05,833 --> 00:21:08,791 you know, somewhere in the 3 to 5, like he was always at three, sometimes up 395 00:21:08,791 --> 00:21:10,416 as high as five is what I'm trying to say. 396 00:21:10,416 --> 00:21:14,000 And, he had an experience of 397 00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:17,750 in the mastermind of shifting from 398 00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,333 just about just just being a multi-million 399 00:21:21,625 --> 00:21:25,583 dollar construction company to shifting into development. 400 00:21:25,916 --> 00:21:28,583 And this, by the way, was a conversation that we had for a very long time, 401 00:21:28,583 --> 00:21:29,041 all the rest of it. 402 00:21:29,041 --> 00:21:29,916 But something happened 403 00:21:29,916 --> 00:21:33,625 in the environment of sitting with 8 to 10 brilliant entrepreneurs, 404 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,625 and observing and participating in people getting 405 00:21:37,958 --> 00:21:39,541 oriented around asking the right question, 406 00:21:39,541 --> 00:21:41,791 because most of the time in those masterminds, 407 00:21:41,791 --> 00:21:45,875 people come with a question that is a symptom, not the core. 408 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,416 Not not the core conundrum. 409 00:21:49,416 --> 00:21:53,041 Anyway, in watching that happen, he basically said, I'm 410 00:21:53,041 --> 00:21:54,041 asking the wrong question. 411 00:21:54,041 --> 00:21:56,583 I was going to ask a question about operating my construction company, 412 00:21:56,583 --> 00:21:58,916 and the real question I really need to ask is, 413 00:21:58,916 --> 00:22:02,666 what is the highest and the best use of my expertise, my team, 414 00:22:02,833 --> 00:22:06,416 my unused capacity, and my network in this community. 415 00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:09,041 And the answer to that was development. 416 00:22:09,041 --> 00:22:11,333 So he has begun developing a variety of things, 417 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:13,833 from multifamily homes to a variety of other like, 418 00:22:15,333 --> 00:22:16,750 when your 419 00:22:16,750 --> 00:22:19,833 second homes like retire, not retirement, recreation. 420 00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:21,083 So I'm trying to say recreation, 421 00:22:21,083 --> 00:22:23,041 recreational properties and all sorts of things. 422 00:22:23,041 --> 00:22:26,000 Now, what's interesting is that 423 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,791 that took him, let's say, to 3 to 5 to a ten 424 00:22:29,791 --> 00:22:33,083 to about a 12, and he participated in one of our very early blastoff. 425 00:22:33,083 --> 00:22:37,750 Masterminds came back, as most people do, about six months later and said, 426 00:22:37,958 --> 00:22:40,083 I'm on fire with this. This is going incredibly well. 427 00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:42,958 But there's one other thing that's going on which is I have a past 428 00:22:42,958 --> 00:22:46,166 that I have been hiding from and, 429 00:22:47,583 --> 00:22:48,625 I'm done. 430 00:22:48,625 --> 00:22:50,916 And I'm going to just tell you what it is, and this is what it is. 431 00:22:50,916 --> 00:22:53,875 And, I'm okay with the entire world knowing it. 432 00:22:53,875 --> 00:22:59,125 And, it is time to no longer hide and, he and I had lunch last week, 433 00:22:59,375 --> 00:23:02,916 and his sales, he believes, will land at 20 million 434 00:23:02,916 --> 00:23:07,500 plus this year because of that alignment and asking the right question. 435 00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:10,083 So, you know, there's a whole bunch of pieces 436 00:23:10,083 --> 00:23:13,375 that unfold in these, when we're doing a magic trick. 437 00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:16,875 Because even in the entrepreneurial space, the reality is 438 00:23:16,875 --> 00:23:21,000 we're not just talking about business, we are talking about this epic alignment 439 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,041 of who we are to what our gift is to how can we be 440 00:23:24,041 --> 00:23:27,458 of best service to us, to our families, our communities, to the world? 441 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:30,125 And in that environment, magic happens every time. 442 00:23:31,291 --> 00:23:33,333 So let's 443 00:23:33,333 --> 00:23:37,958 now talk through how this applies to those who are really working in psychedelics. 444 00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:42,833 And that could be as a focal point, like a psychedelic therapist or coach, 445 00:23:43,083 --> 00:23:46,333 maybe someone who's running a clinic or a retreat center, or even someone who's 446 00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:49,583 an executive coach, or maybe their health and wellness coach. 447 00:23:49,583 --> 00:23:51,666 And they've started to incorporate psychedelics. 448 00:23:51,666 --> 00:23:54,375 It's not the core thing that they're focused on, but their interest. 449 00:23:54,375 --> 00:23:57,708 Because what I love about your example is the alignment component. 450 00:23:57,708 --> 00:24:00,875 And what's obvious about your example is this was in construction. 451 00:24:00,875 --> 00:24:02,583 This wasn't necessarily 452 00:24:02,583 --> 00:24:06,333 in sort of the coaching or healing arts or facilitation space. 453 00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:08,583 So let's let's talk a little bit about, 454 00:24:08,583 --> 00:24:11,583 you know, what you've noticed and observed in terms of, 455 00:24:11,708 --> 00:24:14,416 what are some of the shortcomings right now 456 00:24:14,416 --> 00:24:17,791 or some of the limiting beliefs or some of the things that hold people back 457 00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:22,416 who are psychedelic facilitators or therapist or coaches 458 00:24:22,625 --> 00:24:26,125 from really owning, you know, their value 459 00:24:26,375 --> 00:24:30,666 and their capacity to, create magic in the world around them. 460 00:24:31,416 --> 00:24:33,125 Wow, man, there's a lot. 461 00:24:33,125 --> 00:24:36,000 And as you I think you've said, I like that word of the beginning. 462 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,875 It's like there's a quagmire. There's a quagmire and a half. 463 00:24:41,208 --> 00:24:43,291 I'll, I'll tell it. 464 00:24:43,291 --> 00:24:46,416 And I'm open if you if you don't want to maybe jump on this first, but 465 00:24:46,708 --> 00:24:50,500 I, I think that and let's 466 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,708 set the legality component aside that that is changing. 467 00:24:53,708 --> 00:24:56,375 It's evolving. It's doing its thing. 468 00:24:56,375 --> 00:25:00,625 And I know that it still terrifies a ton of folks, including my wife. 469 00:25:00,916 --> 00:25:04,875 So so I understand that, but if we could just set that aside, 470 00:25:04,875 --> 00:25:09,416 I actually think one of the larger issues or conundrums about 471 00:25:10,833 --> 00:25:14,833 people bringing themselves to psychedelics in a meaningful, intentional, supportive 472 00:25:15,125 --> 00:25:18,416 and if we're talking business profitable manner, is 473 00:25:19,166 --> 00:25:23,375 there aren't a bunch of great examples of how to do it. 474 00:25:23,708 --> 00:25:27,458 And you and I talked about this, I think ages ago in San Diego. 475 00:25:27,458 --> 00:25:29,791 Is it most of the world when we started doing 476 00:25:29,791 --> 00:25:33,750 our work would say to us, it's like, oh, so you're doing couples therapy? 477 00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:36,916 It's like, no, we're definitely not doing couples therapy that, you know, we know. 478 00:25:37,208 --> 00:25:40,208 And then there's like, oh, so if it's not a couples therapy, so like 479 00:25:40,291 --> 00:25:43,666 so then you run like a couples take it down ceremony. 480 00:25:43,666 --> 00:25:46,666 It's like, no, it's not a ceremony either. 481 00:25:46,666 --> 00:25:51,458 So, so I think there's a limited view of what this can be, 482 00:25:51,708 --> 00:25:56,625 and so much so that we've actually gone and labeled a category, 483 00:25:56,875 --> 00:25:59,875 whether it's the right label or not, I don't really know, but but we've 484 00:25:59,875 --> 00:26:01,458 we've sort of claimed that 485 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:03,541 ceremony or. 486 00:26:03,541 --> 00:26:06,000 Pardon me, therapy has a place in it is beautiful. 487 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,583 That's saving lives, thank god. 488 00:26:07,583 --> 00:26:11,750 And and leading the charge for people to have a legal conversation ceremony. 489 00:26:12,375 --> 00:26:15,750 I think the same thing saving lives, doing incredible work, all those pieces. 490 00:26:16,166 --> 00:26:19,208 But you don't have to be broken to jump into this. 491 00:26:19,208 --> 00:26:21,291 And you don't have to go to the jungle and beat a drum 492 00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:22,500 to get the benefits of psychedelics. 493 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,083 There's a whole nother space in between, which we call functional psychedelics. 494 00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:27,333 And and I don't know, do you think, 495 00:26:27,333 --> 00:26:30,875 is this a is this a place where we could maybe read that and, and do that? 496 00:26:30,875 --> 00:26:33,166 And then I think I could answer your question more fully. 497 00:26:33,166 --> 00:26:33,958 Yeah, let's do it. 498 00:26:33,958 --> 00:26:35,000 Because I think this notion 499 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,708 of functional psychedelics, you know, Jay and I had gone back and forth privately, 500 00:26:39,625 --> 00:26:43,166 sort of pinging a few ideas I had landed on, like really five? 501 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:47,625 I think it was therapeutic ceremonial, recreational, 502 00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:50,791 functional and evolutionary. 503 00:26:50,791 --> 00:26:53,041 Evolution. And I was calling that one transformational. 504 00:26:53,041 --> 00:26:55,416 Yes, evolutionary, I think, is a better word for it. 505 00:26:55,416 --> 00:26:58,416 I think functional is is is 506 00:26:58,708 --> 00:27:03,000 it feels like it hits the nail on the head of what you're, bringing through. 507 00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:07,833 And, you know, I love functional medicine has become so much more prominent. 508 00:27:07,833 --> 00:27:08,666 And so I think there's also 509 00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:12,500 really interesting overlaps between the sort of applied practice of psychedelics 510 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,666 and even some of the principles behind functional medicine. 511 00:27:15,666 --> 00:27:18,041 So let's go ahead. Let's read that graphic. 512 00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:19,458 If you want to share your screen, you can as well. 513 00:27:19,458 --> 00:27:20,708 For those who are watching the video, 514 00:27:20,708 --> 00:27:22,708 because we will publish this on YouTube as well. 515 00:27:22,708 --> 00:27:26,916 And this is Jay's lens on functional psychedelics. 516 00:27:26,916 --> 00:27:30,958 I think it'll be really, helpful to hear for all of the practitioners 517 00:27:30,958 --> 00:27:35,166 or those training to become practitioners who are listening to this perfect. 518 00:27:35,458 --> 00:27:39,083 And I want to say very clearly that and sometimes 519 00:27:39,625 --> 00:27:43,708 that's definitely, that's definitely I and to be clear about this, 520 00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:48,000 I uploaded about eight documents that had been spending about eight months writing. 521 00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:50,208 And then I will put together did something. 522 00:27:50,208 --> 00:27:53,833 So this is like 85% me and 15% I just so we're in perfect 523 00:27:54,166 --> 00:27:58,250 clarity and I'm I don't claim that the manifesto is done. 524 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,916 M don't even claim that the title of functional is correct. 525 00:28:01,916 --> 00:28:06,958 I honest to goodness, but this is the most comprehensive stand that I can describe. 526 00:28:06,958 --> 00:28:10,333 And when I'm talking to people, when they're asking is a ceremony or is it 527 00:28:10,416 --> 00:28:11,041 is it therapy? 528 00:28:11,041 --> 00:28:13,416 And this is what I share with them. 529 00:28:13,416 --> 00:28:17,125 So the Functional Psychedelics anifesto, this is not therapy. 530 00:28:17,125 --> 00:28:18,541 This is not ceremony. 531 00:28:18,541 --> 00:28:21,000 This is the future of personal evolution. 532 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,458 We are the ones who look successful on paper. 533 00:28:23,458 --> 00:28:26,166 But something inside this is whispering there's more. 534 00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:27,750 There's more aliveness. There's more depth. 535 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:28,500 There's more truth. 536 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,500 There's more love, there's more fucking soul. 537 00:28:31,541 --> 00:28:33,458 We tried mindset. We've read books. 538 00:28:33,458 --> 00:28:35,416 We've done the coaching. We journal the gratitude. 539 00:28:35,416 --> 00:28:38,416 And yet something still feels flat 540 00:28:39,125 --> 00:28:41,458 because this next chapter of life, 541 00:28:41,458 --> 00:28:44,541 it is not about more productivity, it's about more presence. 542 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:46,625 It's not about fixing what's broken. 543 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:49,625 It's about revealing what has been waiting all along. 544 00:28:49,875 --> 00:28:52,833 We believe the transformation should be functional, grounded, 545 00:28:52,833 --> 00:28:54,375 intentional, and integrated. 546 00:28:55,416 --> 00:28:56,666 We are not here to escape. 547 00:28:56,666 --> 00:28:58,083 We're not here to go on a trip. 548 00:28:58,083 --> 00:29:00,458 We are not here to appropriate. 549 00:29:00,458 --> 00:29:03,458 We are not here to follow someone else's script. 550 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,958 We are here to bring sacred tools into real life, 551 00:29:07,541 --> 00:29:10,750 to grieve fully, to love deeply, to forgive honestly. 552 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,541 To awaken unapologetically, to create in alignment, 553 00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:17,791 to reclaim intimacy, creativity, courage, 554 00:29:17,791 --> 00:29:20,791 purpose in a way that sticks. 555 00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:24,208 This is not so much about healing our past, 556 00:29:24,208 --> 00:29:26,041 although that is a part of it. 557 00:29:26,041 --> 00:29:29,791 It's more about being initiated into our next becoming. 558 00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:33,833 This is a return to the sacred within the ordinary. 559 00:29:34,208 --> 00:29:37,291 Functional psychedelics is where modern life meets ancient wisdom. 560 00:29:37,416 --> 00:29:40,541 Without dogma, without diagnosis, without needing to be broken. 561 00:29:40,541 --> 00:29:43,791 To begin the precision approach to personal evolution 562 00:29:43,791 --> 00:29:48,416 that is built for healthy normals who are ready for an intentional shift. 563 00:29:49,041 --> 00:29:51,166 Midlife new love, divorce, death. 564 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:51,750 Emptiness. 565 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:55,083 Health crisis, burnout, awakening, soul fire, reignited, 566 00:29:56,041 --> 00:29:58,833 and we meet the moment with medicine. 567 00:29:58,833 --> 00:30:01,208 Consciously, responsibly, and reverently. 568 00:30:01,208 --> 00:30:04,208 We do the work in real time, not an escape. 569 00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:06,833 We come back with truths that we can walk with. 570 00:30:06,833 --> 00:30:09,000 We are not patients. We are pilgrims. 571 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,833 We are guided, not fixed. 572 00:30:10,833 --> 00:30:12,875 We are held, not handled. 573 00:30:12,875 --> 00:30:15,875 We are respected, not reduced to protocols. 574 00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:18,583 We trust our intuition as much as the science. 575 00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:20,791 We honor the medicine and the map. 576 00:30:20,791 --> 00:30:24,875 We see our life and our relationships as the real integration container. 577 00:30:25,666 --> 00:30:28,208 This is a movement, a method of remembering, 578 00:30:28,208 --> 00:30:31,083 and we claim our right to explore consciousness outside 579 00:30:31,083 --> 00:30:34,166 of clinical coldness and beyond borrowed ceremonies. 580 00:30:34,875 --> 00:30:37,875 We honor lineage and we also evolve practice. 581 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:41,250 We walk the middle path with care, clarity, and conviction. 582 00:30:41,791 --> 00:30:46,458 We are creating a new lane, an ultimate method, a sacredly modern path. 583 00:30:46,833 --> 00:30:49,833 And we call it functional psychedelics. 584 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,208 And this is just the beginning. 585 00:30:53,166 --> 00:30:54,250 Beautiful. 586 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:57,916 So why I wanted to read that first, is that 587 00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:02,291 I think one of the big quagmires for people leaning into this space 588 00:31:02,791 --> 00:31:06,125 is that there's this whole area and we're going to call it 589 00:31:06,125 --> 00:31:09,208 like those depending on this sort of like this middle third of healthy 590 00:31:09,208 --> 00:31:12,208 normals that are just going through life 591 00:31:12,625 --> 00:31:15,625 that I think, I believe, 592 00:31:15,791 --> 00:31:19,083 I, I go so far as I know, in every cell of my being 593 00:31:19,833 --> 00:31:22,833 that the biggest leaps in human consciousness, 594 00:31:22,833 --> 00:31:25,833 the biggest transformations that are going to occur 595 00:31:26,291 --> 00:31:30,500 in the fastest, smoothest and easiest way is with healthy normals 596 00:31:31,041 --> 00:31:33,666 who are wise enough, sharp enough, and grounded enough 597 00:31:33,666 --> 00:31:37,291 to get the support to excel at those transitions 598 00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:40,833 so that they can bring more of themselves back to their life. 599 00:31:40,833 --> 00:31:45,208 And that, to me, is when we start thinking about, wow, 600 00:31:45,541 --> 00:31:48,333 how could we use the right medicine 601 00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:54,000 at the right time with the right intention for the right client, with the right 602 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,458 support coach, with the right long term integration and community 603 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,458 man, we can change the world and do so quickly and beautifully 604 00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:04,291 so that that I think, is the heart of, of 605 00:32:04,291 --> 00:32:07,291 of answering the question, in my mind. 606 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:09,791 And we share a lot of overlap in that. 607 00:32:09,791 --> 00:32:12,000 I mean, I, I've told you about this, I haven't really prefaced it 608 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,250 with the audience, but I have a second book coming out 609 00:32:14,250 --> 00:32:18,583 that sort of explores this overlap of the value of exploration. 610 00:32:19,666 --> 00:32:19,958 Right? 611 00:32:19,958 --> 00:32:23,833 What it means to explore what it means to be creative, 612 00:32:23,833 --> 00:32:27,291 what it means to go out into the unknown and try to bring something back, 613 00:32:27,625 --> 00:32:32,625 and how psychedelics facilitate that exploratory mindset. 614 00:32:32,625 --> 00:32:36,583 Because I think, you know, we all agree that the mental health 615 00:32:36,583 --> 00:32:40,500 benefits are undeniable when it comes to psychedelic work 616 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,208 for depression, addiction, PTSD. 617 00:32:42,208 --> 00:32:45,708 And yet, you know, a lot of these, let's say, new systems 618 00:32:45,708 --> 00:32:50,083 that we anticipate building or creating will not necessarily come from 619 00:32:50,083 --> 00:32:55,125 people who are, struggling intensely just to get back to baseline. 620 00:32:55,125 --> 00:32:59,416 It's how can psychedelics be used with skill, right. 621 00:32:59,416 --> 00:33:00,541 That's something I've talked a lot about. 622 00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:03,958 The skill of psychedelics by healthy normals 623 00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:08,208 to, create businesses 624 00:33:08,208 --> 00:33:11,750 that are more in alignment with, profit, 625 00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:14,958 purpose and planet 626 00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:17,541 and sort of the, the frame that I love. 627 00:33:17,541 --> 00:33:19,708 And so I'd love to hear you talk a little bit about, 628 00:33:19,708 --> 00:33:23,000 you know, we talk about functional psychedelics and what I heard 629 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,958 in that response, even is this is, you know, in a way, a blue ocean 630 00:33:28,958 --> 00:33:32,750 that not a lot of people are thinking about right now or considering. 631 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,541 And I want to hear you sort of wrap a little bit on why you believe 632 00:33:36,541 --> 00:33:40,708 this overlap of psychedelics and coaching is still 633 00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:44,458 a massive blue ocean, and maybe talk a little bit about, 634 00:33:44,625 --> 00:33:48,125 you know, how you were there early on at the at the beginning 635 00:33:48,125 --> 00:33:52,000 of, of coaching, not just psychedelics, but coaching in general. 636 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,208 You know, what you've seen from that. 637 00:33:54,208 --> 00:33:56,458 So just let's just start with the truth. 638 00:33:56,458 --> 00:33:57,375 This is I'm a world 639 00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:00,333 and I have been 640 00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:03,458 in I, I started professionally 641 00:34:03,458 --> 00:34:07,958 in the personal transformation space, in 1988. 642 00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:11,125 I did my facilitator training and, 643 00:34:11,125 --> 00:34:14,208 so I've been at it for a day or two and. 644 00:34:16,208 --> 00:34:19,208 I just need to say, as clear as, again, we should probably just define blue ocean. 645 00:34:19,208 --> 00:34:19,708 Red ocean. 646 00:34:19,708 --> 00:34:20,791 Just to be clear about this, 647 00:34:20,791 --> 00:34:25,166 because the overall coaching industry currently is a red ocean. 648 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:27,458 It is, yes. 649 00:34:27,458 --> 00:34:31,916 The the size of the marketplace in terms of, coaching continues to grow, 650 00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:33,083 thank goodness. 651 00:34:33,083 --> 00:34:36,250 But at the same time, there continues to be everyone in there, dog 652 00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:38,291 putting out a shingle and a business card. 653 00:34:38,291 --> 00:34:39,666 But I guess we're past business cards. 654 00:34:39,666 --> 00:34:41,625 But the single thing that they're a coach. 655 00:34:41,625 --> 00:34:45,333 So. So what's transpiring is that the number of offers 656 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:48,333 in the coaching space and the rate at which it's it's growing 657 00:34:48,416 --> 00:34:51,416 isn't really keeping up, which means that people are competing 658 00:34:51,541 --> 00:34:55,041 and have competing offers and have competing, invitations 659 00:34:55,208 --> 00:34:58,833 and have not just overlapping, but almost identical promises 660 00:34:59,041 --> 00:35:02,041 that make it incredibly difficult to, number one, find a client, convert 661 00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:05,666 a client, keep a client, all of those pieces, like it's damn difficult. 662 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:07,958 You have to have a magic trick and a half, 663 00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:09,666 and you have to have some awareness of your magic trick, 664 00:35:09,666 --> 00:35:13,083 and you have to have any sort of success in that domain. 665 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:17,250 That's what we call a red ocean market, fundamentally remain remaining the same, 666 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:19,125 or at least proportionately remaining the same. 667 00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:21,750 And more and more competition to try and find a client. 668 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:26,125 Blue ocean is where we create a category 669 00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:29,250 or a we create a solution and a process 670 00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:32,250 that doesn't really exist anywhere else. 671 00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:34,958 And, you know, it's interesting how you framed it 672 00:35:34,958 --> 00:35:38,000 because it and this is one of the things that I appreciate about you, Paul. 673 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,166 I just want to acknowledge you that you like Queen. 674 00:35:41,166 --> 00:35:42,208 I pre-move this space. 675 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:45,458 It's like five years ago was like, holy crap, psychedelics, you know, 676 00:35:45,541 --> 00:35:48,875 and you've been at it as long as I've been in the old coaching world. 677 00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:52,333 So when you say it's like it's still blue ocean, 678 00:35:52,625 --> 00:35:55,166 from my perspective, it's like hell, 679 00:35:56,916 --> 00:35:57,916 the people who are in Blue 680 00:35:57,916 --> 00:36:00,916 Ocean don't even realize they're in blue ocean. 681 00:36:00,958 --> 00:36:01,875 That's how blue ocean. 682 00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,875 The blue ocean is like. 683 00:36:03,875 --> 00:36:05,583 It's it's crazy to me. 684 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:08,166 Utterly crazy. 685 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:11,250 And, so we are 686 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:15,125 I mean, at best, if we use that early adoption curve, 687 00:36:15,125 --> 00:36:18,875 we are at best, at best, 688 00:36:19,833 --> 00:36:23,541 5 to 8% in like, that's at best. 689 00:36:23,791 --> 00:36:25,208 And I want to be very clear about this. 690 00:36:25,208 --> 00:36:27,458 And you shared this meme quite a lot about, 691 00:36:27,458 --> 00:36:29,666 8 million Americans have tried suicide and those sort of things. 692 00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:30,833 And that number is probably a little bit low, 693 00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:31,125 because not 694 00:36:31,125 --> 00:36:34,125 everyone tells the truth about it and all the rest of it, but that's okay. 695 00:36:34,166 --> 00:36:36,541 But, you know, 696 00:36:36,541 --> 00:36:39,541 and I mean, there's both seriously and facetiously, 697 00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:43,541 it's like mushrooms are the gateway psychedelic like like 698 00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:46,750 there's an entire world in universe 699 00:36:46,833 --> 00:36:50,250 for people to explore, and particularly in the context of functional psychedelics, 700 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:53,458 medicines to deploy, 701 00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:56,583 right person, right time, right intention, all sorts of things that, 702 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,916 that that's just so scratching the surface like that is so scratching the surface. 703 00:37:00,916 --> 00:37:02,375 It is it is ridiculous. 704 00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:05,708 So I would just want to say to anyone new heroes like, geez, you know, 705 00:37:05,708 --> 00:37:09,125 there's a lot there's a lot of media about the psychedelic, 706 00:37:09,541 --> 00:37:11,416 the psychedelic revolution. 707 00:37:11,416 --> 00:37:15,541 I think I might have missed it, my friends, it hasn't started yet. 708 00:37:17,375 --> 00:37:20,833 I seriously, it has not started yet 709 00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:24,166 from the perspective of functional psychedelics. 710 00:37:26,458 --> 00:37:27,416 So anyway, 711 00:37:27,416 --> 00:37:31,791 I get off my little soapbox now, but if you're thinking of, you know, 712 00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:35,791 maybe I would integrate psychedelics to accelerate my magic trick, 713 00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:37,916 for the love of all things good in the world. 714 00:37:37,916 --> 00:37:41,291 Get on it, get on it quickly, get on it intelligently, get on it and protect that 715 00:37:41,291 --> 00:37:45,625 intellectual property, which, you know, I mean, here's just a good example of this. 716 00:37:45,625 --> 00:37:49,000 That might be a little out of order in terms of what we're talking about. 717 00:37:50,166 --> 00:37:52,125 But we recently, 718 00:37:52,125 --> 00:37:57,458 began selling the licensing of our connection 719 00:37:57,458 --> 00:38:01,208 experience model, where we actually certified, couples 720 00:38:01,541 --> 00:38:05,166 to utilize our process to serve and support other couples. 721 00:38:05,666 --> 00:38:08,250 So quite literally, if you're if you're using your head 722 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:09,958 about this, what you design in the world 723 00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:13,916 of functional psychedelics becomes intellectual property that will can create 724 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,208 license fees, royalties, a whole variety of pieces 725 00:38:17,208 --> 00:38:20,208 that most of this world is not even thinking about yet. 726 00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:23,458 Now, one thing about your your approach in particular, 727 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:26,208 and I think we share a lot in common 728 00:38:26,208 --> 00:38:29,333 when it comes to this, is you're not necessarily waiting for 729 00:38:29,333 --> 00:38:33,625 laws to change to do the work that you think needs to be done. 730 00:38:33,625 --> 00:38:37,958 I think this is an important sort of point of point of emphasis. 731 00:38:37,958 --> 00:38:39,291 Right. And, 732 00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:42,666 and, you know, we 733 00:38:42,666 --> 00:38:45,666 all have different risk thresholds in terms of what we're comfortable with. 734 00:38:45,666 --> 00:38:47,708 There will be some people who are listening to this who, 735 00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:48,958 you know, they really want to stick to, 736 00:38:48,958 --> 00:38:53,375 maybe ketamine or sort of legal options and Colorado, Oregon. 737 00:38:53,375 --> 00:38:56,750 But for those who may be on the fence or are sort of new to this world, even 738 00:38:56,750 --> 00:39:01,291 who are considering becoming practitioners and facilitators in this space, 739 00:39:01,291 --> 00:39:05,416 and maybe a little intimidated by some of the legal stuff. 740 00:39:05,416 --> 00:39:09,458 I just be curious to hear sort of your thoughts and perspectives on, yeah. 741 00:39:09,458 --> 00:39:12,125 What's giving you the courage to really come out 742 00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:13,958 and do this work in the way that you've done it? 743 00:39:13,958 --> 00:39:16,083 And why do you think it's important? 744 00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:18,375 Because I talk about this all the time that I need to hear from me again. 745 00:39:18,375 --> 00:39:20,708 But why do you think it's important that folks really, 746 00:39:20,708 --> 00:39:24,125 you know, don't wait necessarily for all the laws to be perfect, 747 00:39:24,125 --> 00:39:29,083 to really start this purposeful, you know, healing, transformational work. 748 00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:33,458 That's a really big conversation. 749 00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:35,458 I and I just want to say thank you for asking the question 750 00:39:35,458 --> 00:39:38,250 because it's actually, unbelievably important. 751 00:39:38,250 --> 00:39:41,333 And, top of the list is this, 752 00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:45,416 my wife and I would be divorced if it weren't for psychedelics. 753 00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:47,666 And I want to be very clear about this. 754 00:39:47,666 --> 00:39:50,666 That means, my boys wouldn't have a full time father. 755 00:39:51,958 --> 00:39:54,791 Now, psychedelics didn't do the work. 756 00:39:54,791 --> 00:39:57,375 Psychedelics opened the door for us 757 00:39:57,375 --> 00:40:00,708 to face ourselves at a level that was not accessible to us. 758 00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:03,416 And to put that in context, 759 00:40:03,416 --> 00:40:06,208 we led a couple of retreats for years prior to this. 760 00:40:06,208 --> 00:40:09,458 We've helped over 40,000 people through deep personal transformation. 761 00:40:09,625 --> 00:40:15,333 We went like like we weren't we weren't clueless, but we were stuck. And 762 00:40:16,416 --> 00:40:18,333 that experience 763 00:40:18,333 --> 00:40:23,375 I will be forever grateful for because it did great work in my home, 764 00:40:23,791 --> 00:40:28,666 in my parenting, in the bedroom, in my heart, everywhere, 765 00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:33,583 and for what I'm going to call inappropriate out 766 00:40:33,583 --> 00:40:37,958 outdated, antiquated, and ridiculous laws 767 00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:41,458 to make the intentional, 768 00:40:41,583 --> 00:40:45,208 intelligent, careful, cautious, deliberate 769 00:40:45,541 --> 00:40:49,291 use of those substances illegal is a travesty. 770 00:40:49,791 --> 00:40:51,125 It's an absolute travesty. 771 00:40:51,125 --> 00:40:55,833 And I will stand on the, street corner on the mountaintop in a courtroom, 772 00:40:56,041 --> 00:40:59,041 and I will scream at the top of my lungs. 773 00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:03,541 The politicians, the law enforcement and our government 774 00:41:03,666 --> 00:41:06,666 had best get their ass in gear because this is unacceptable. 775 00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:11,041 So first and foremost, that's my my core drive. 776 00:41:11,208 --> 00:41:15,541 Now, that said, I also it's 777 00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:19,750 as I said earlier, it's important for me to be for me to be a father to my boys. 778 00:41:19,958 --> 00:41:23,000 I don't want to be absent because of breaking the law. 779 00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:27,791 So, I do my very best to be as cautious 780 00:41:27,791 --> 00:41:31,000 as I can in that I will tell the world 781 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,541 that I am a psychedelic advocate, educator, and guide 782 00:41:35,166 --> 00:41:39,375 when it comes time to actually doing the, the work of the transactions 783 00:41:39,375 --> 00:41:40,291 and those sorts of things, 784 00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:43,250 we put an awful lot of care into the vetting, into the filtering, 785 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,833 into the questioning, into the knowing who we're dealing with. 786 00:41:45,833 --> 00:41:49,625 And we have been blessed with a very tight circle of human beings who love and care 787 00:41:49,625 --> 00:41:54,166 for us, who have been willing to share the beautiful work that has occurred 788 00:41:54,166 --> 00:41:59,708 for them with their type circle of people that they care about. So, 789 00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:03,583 I think it's important to be bold, and I think it's important to be careful. 790 00:42:03,583 --> 00:42:05,791 And I think it's important to let the world know 791 00:42:05,791 --> 00:42:10,708 that the current state of, psychedelic access, 792 00:42:11,208 --> 00:42:14,916 is perhaps one of the absolute 793 00:42:14,916 --> 00:42:17,916 worst travesties. 794 00:42:19,083 --> 00:42:23,250 Slash crime against humanity that exists on the planet today. 795 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,916 And I'll take that argument up anywhere, anytime, anyplace. 796 00:42:28,666 --> 00:42:28,916 Yeah. 797 00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:32,750 And I think in some ways you're preaching to the choir, right? 798 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:36,125 With, with with, that lens because it's. 799 00:42:37,208 --> 00:42:40,208 Yeah, I mean, we could just go on and on about how 800 00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:42,875 stupid 801 00:42:42,875 --> 00:42:44,458 these drug laws are. 802 00:42:44,458 --> 00:42:49,208 But also we've seen, I will say as well, we've seen a lot more 803 00:42:50,041 --> 00:42:55,625 openness from law enforcement, and we've seen a lot, 804 00:42:55,625 --> 00:42:58,625 you know, I know there are a lot of people in law enforcement who have now had 805 00:42:58,625 --> 00:43:02,583 their lives changed through, psychedelic work. 806 00:43:02,916 --> 00:43:07,875 And, and so, unfortunately, the, the sort of political system moves much slower. 807 00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:11,000 I mean, I'm getting a sort of barrage of notifications 808 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,916 in my email right now from Ontario because all these 809 00:43:15,541 --> 00:43:18,666 in person shops that have those that have sort of set up 810 00:43:18,666 --> 00:43:22,000 storefronts are now getting busted and really taken down at a 811 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:23,541 at a substantial rate. 812 00:43:23,541 --> 00:43:26,416 And yet you can still go online in Canada 813 00:43:26,416 --> 00:43:30,333 or in the United States and pretty much order anything. 814 00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:32,958 And so it's it's this wild, wild West. 815 00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:37,291 And I think this comes back to the point, right, of why we need individuals 816 00:43:37,291 --> 00:43:41,750 who are not only qualified for the practice of it, but are also 817 00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:45,750 have sort of the ethics, integrity and and skill set from a business 818 00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:49,958 perspective to really deliver this in a way that feels good all around. 819 00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:50,750 Yeah. 820 00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:53,125 Like and so I just want to lean on the, the online access, 821 00:43:53,125 --> 00:43:55,375 which on the one hand to say I'm pretty happy about. 822 00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:59,041 And on the other hand, and by the way, in the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator, 823 00:43:59,083 --> 00:44:04,916 we teach, basically a process of handling and testing medicine 824 00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:08,041 that make sure that when you hand it across, 825 00:44:08,041 --> 00:44:11,000 if that's going to be your role, that it is safe, tested, secure 826 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,083 all of those pieces that we go through that. 827 00:44:13,083 --> 00:44:14,833 But I want to just be very clear about this, 828 00:44:14,833 --> 00:44:17,500 is that even some of the trusted suppliers that I have used, 829 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,916 I because we test every single thing, every single time, 830 00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:23,000 it was one of the things that our clients pay for. 831 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,125 Everything's tried, tested. 832 00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,625 I mean, comes from the best lab we can actually get it from. 833 00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:30,250 It is then tested in terms of purity, and fentanyl. 834 00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:32,041 Then we personally utilize it and test it 835 00:44:32,041 --> 00:44:33,541 before it ever goes into somebody else's mouth. 836 00:44:33,541 --> 00:44:36,208 So there's a whole thread about how to do that properly. 837 00:44:36,208 --> 00:44:39,958 But the point I want to make is even through some of my test trusted suppliers, 838 00:44:40,166 --> 00:44:42,333 when I send stuff out, it does sometimes comes back 839 00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:43,958 as a completely different substance, 840 00:44:43,958 --> 00:44:47,625 or it comes back at 48%, purity, or it comes back as. 841 00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:50,708 So here's one of the things if folks are listening, it's like, oh, 842 00:44:50,708 --> 00:44:51,708 I can just go get it. 843 00:44:51,708 --> 00:44:54,458 It's like, no, no, no, no, no, you need to go get it. 844 00:44:54,458 --> 00:44:58,416 And you need to have a protocol to ensure safety for you and your clients, 845 00:44:58,416 --> 00:45:00,666 or you shouldn't be doing this. Just as simple as that. 846 00:45:00,666 --> 00:45:03,666 This is not a it'd be nice if this is a required to. 847 00:45:04,208 --> 00:45:07,416 100%, that that 848 00:45:07,791 --> 00:45:11,583 that tidbit that you shared with me, I know it's been more privately. 849 00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:13,416 Yeah. Around the substances. 850 00:45:13,416 --> 00:45:16,416 And people will say it's this and then you test it and it's really that it 851 00:45:16,916 --> 00:45:18,000 that really surprised me. 852 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,208 And, even kind of rocked me a little bit because 853 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,458 that's the unfortunate truth of the underground right now is, is 854 00:45:27,458 --> 00:45:31,333 you don't know what you're getting, in many situations. 855 00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,000 And that's, that's a risk, 856 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,833 especially with, with with things that are powders, if you will. Yes. 857 00:45:37,041 --> 00:45:38,666 Well, and so I just want to lean on that. 858 00:45:38,666 --> 00:45:41,541 And so because these are conversations I'm having with people all the time 859 00:45:41,541 --> 00:45:42,750 because like oh I'm all good. 860 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:46,750 Oh I trust my person is like, listen, I got four substances from a church, 861 00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:48,000 a church. 862 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,000 And by the way, the quote, I'm going to be some kind of a dick. 863 00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:53,041 I like 864 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:56,583 the holy supplier and better for the church and their entire community. 865 00:45:57,041 --> 00:45:59,625 It's like, you know, in people's perspectives. 866 00:45:59,625 --> 00:46:02,208 Like, I got it almost from the hand of God. 867 00:46:02,208 --> 00:46:04,916 And it's like four substances checked. 868 00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:07,833 Three of them aren't what they told us, right? 869 00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:09,875 Three quarters of the like. 870 00:46:09,875 --> 00:46:12,875 So you can't because it comes from your church to your best friend early. 871 00:46:13,166 --> 00:46:14,541 You must. 872 00:46:14,541 --> 00:46:15,458 Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. 873 00:46:15,458 --> 00:46:18,458 Sorry. I. 874 00:46:18,583 --> 00:46:19,708 You got a that you got a test. 875 00:46:19,708 --> 00:46:22,416 And this is partly what we'll talk about in the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator. 876 00:46:22,416 --> 00:46:24,666 So, Jay, we're we're sort of coming to the end. 877 00:46:24,666 --> 00:46:27,250 If folks are curious about joining this training. 878 00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:29,708 November 20th to 22nd, the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator. 879 00:46:29,708 --> 00:46:32,708 How can they find out more details and information about, this offer? 880 00:46:33,333 --> 00:46:33,666 Yeah. 881 00:46:33,666 --> 00:46:37,083 So and I'm assuming we're going to share a LinkedIn, code for, 882 00:46:37,083 --> 00:46:40,333 for that's for third wave. 883 00:46:41,791 --> 00:46:42,500 Yeah, exactly. 884 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,041 So, short version. 885 00:46:44,041 --> 00:46:44,791 The link below. 886 00:46:44,791 --> 00:46:45,416 Visit it. 887 00:46:45,416 --> 00:46:48,250 Use the code third wave. 888 00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:49,541 It'll get you one third off. 889 00:46:49,541 --> 00:46:50,166 And by the way, 890 00:46:50,166 --> 00:46:53,833 there's three different tickets, so you can do it as inexpensively as $97. 891 00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:55,000 That's before the discount. 892 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,208 And get all of the education. 893 00:46:57,208 --> 00:46:58,833 You can step that up if you choose. 894 00:46:58,833 --> 00:47:01,541 For $297, and you'll end up with the recordings, 895 00:47:01,541 --> 00:47:03,875 which, quite frankly, in this space, you're going to want 896 00:47:03,875 --> 00:47:05,375 because there is so much that we're going to teach you 897 00:47:05,375 --> 00:47:08,458 about building a business that you will not be able to apply instantly. 898 00:47:08,458 --> 00:47:10,416 You're going to need that in terms of like, oh, 899 00:47:10,416 --> 00:47:11,750 now I'm ready for my be to offer. 900 00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:13,791 How do I do that? It'll be in the videos. 901 00:47:13,791 --> 00:47:16,375 You also get a bunch of VIP speakers, you know, 902 00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:19,375 there's a bunch of really great speakers, but and there's also a guy named Paul, 903 00:47:19,375 --> 00:47:21,750 I think is probably going to be, you know, he'll be all right. 904 00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:22,708 I'm guessing I'm. 905 00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:26,166 Let's hope let's hope I'm on that. 906 00:47:26,166 --> 00:47:27,166 You know, you never know. 907 00:47:27,166 --> 00:47:29,833 Really. 908 00:47:29,833 --> 00:47:30,958 So there'll be bunch of VIP 909 00:47:30,958 --> 00:47:35,958 speakers and, and a, pre-event, what we're calling microdose and mingle 910 00:47:36,250 --> 00:47:39,333 where we're going to do an online event where, we'll have a couple of cool ways 911 00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:40,500 to meet a bunch of the folks, 912 00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,500 including the speakers, the presenters, the other VIPs. 913 00:47:43,666 --> 00:47:44,916 So that's 297. 914 00:47:44,916 --> 00:47:47,958 But again, start off or if you want to go full on in, 915 00:47:48,125 --> 00:47:49,750 with additional training and support, 916 00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:51,666 there's something, ticket that we call top speed 917 00:47:51,666 --> 00:47:54,125 and that actually includes an entire microdosing protocol. 918 00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:57,250 Supplies all of the other things included, and a whole bunch of other 919 00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:58,041 support as well. 920 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:00,666 So a third off, and by the way, 921 00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:02,208 usually 922 00:48:02,208 --> 00:48:05,208 those sort of, earlybird discounts like that, 923 00:48:05,208 --> 00:48:08,083 go until about three weeks prior to the actual event. 924 00:48:08,083 --> 00:48:11,416 So act now and you will be thrilled that you did. 925 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:14,791 And I think the only other thing I want to say to folks is this, 926 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,458 when it comes 927 00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:23,208 to positioning and landing an offer and testing offer and doing things 928 00:48:23,208 --> 00:48:27,208 in a manner that actually works, it's my magic trick like that. 929 00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:30,166 That's the thing that I have done best. 930 00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:32,750 Most of the time, if I decide I'm going to build a business, 931 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:34,583 I can create a business from scratch 932 00:48:34,583 --> 00:48:38,333 to seven figures, usually in 90 days, sometimes hundred and 80 days. 933 00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:39,666 It took a little longer 934 00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:41,708 the psychedelic business, because we didn't know it was a business. 935 00:48:41,708 --> 00:48:44,708 We were just helping our friends at the beginning. 936 00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:47,791 But, the truth of the matter is, I had done it 937 00:48:47,791 --> 00:48:49,541 in a multitude of different spaces. 938 00:48:49,541 --> 00:48:52,458 I have clients from all over the world had been paying me for decades 939 00:48:52,458 --> 00:48:53,833 to help them do the same. 940 00:48:53,833 --> 00:48:59,041 And if really stepping in intelligently, strategically, 941 00:48:59,375 --> 00:49:03,791 and wisely into the psychedelic space to magnify the magic 942 00:49:03,791 --> 00:49:07,291 that, you know, you already have, and that's whether you're a Reiki master, 943 00:49:07,583 --> 00:49:11,166 whether you are a massage therapist, whether you are a fitness, 944 00:49:11,166 --> 00:49:14,541 personal coach, or whether you're an entrepreneurial coach, 945 00:49:15,583 --> 00:49:17,750 there is a methodology 946 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:21,458 that will help you create a protocol that will create your own blue ocean. 947 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,708 You do not need to compete with the rest of the world. 948 00:49:23,708 --> 00:49:25,833 You do not need to compete with your industry. 949 00:49:25,833 --> 00:49:28,708 You can do exactly what Cory and I did, which is creating 950 00:49:28,708 --> 00:49:30,041 something called a connection experience 951 00:49:30,041 --> 00:49:33,458 that quite literally, there's nothing like it on the planet. 952 00:49:33,791 --> 00:49:36,791 If you want to do it, what do that experience 953 00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:40,500 you come here or now one of our, licensed facilitators, 954 00:49:40,958 --> 00:49:45,041 but when you have it in that manner, the rest of it gets easy. 955 00:49:45,041 --> 00:49:46,583 So that's the key. 956 00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:48,375 Promise is explore 957 00:49:48,375 --> 00:49:51,375 what is necessary for you to build and create your own blue ocean. 958 00:49:51,541 --> 00:49:54,000 And we'll give you a multitude of case studies. 959 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,875 You'll meet people who've done who have done it, 960 00:49:55,875 --> 00:49:58,458 and we will step you through teaching it to you, not just talking about it. 961 00:49:59,583 --> 00:50:02,708 So Psychedelic Coach Accelerator on November 20th to 22nd. 962 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,291 Make sure to get Early Access will have a discount code 963 00:50:06,541 --> 00:50:08,500 and a link that will drop on the main page. 964 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:09,958 If you're just listening to this on the road, 965 00:50:09,958 --> 00:50:13,416 just to go to the podcast page, for the one 966 00:50:13,416 --> 00:50:16,416 with Jay Fiset that we just publish, and we'll have that there link there. 967 00:50:16,791 --> 00:50:18,666 Jay, I appreciate you coming on. 968 00:50:18,666 --> 00:50:23,083 I can't wait to be part of the, psychedelic coach, accelerator training. 969 00:50:23,083 --> 00:50:27,125 And one thing I'll know is, you know, I can sort of vet or, 970 00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:29,166 you know, validate what Jay mentioned. 971 00:50:29,166 --> 00:50:31,208 I brought him in to help us launch 972 00:50:31,208 --> 00:50:34,583 our beta for our microdosing practitioner certification program. 973 00:50:34,833 --> 00:50:39,083 We I mean, I mean, I think we were trying to fill 25 spots. 974 00:50:39,083 --> 00:50:43,833 We ended up filling 39 spots, so we way oversubscribed and over enrolled. 975 00:50:43,833 --> 00:50:47,125 So this is just a little live testimonial, for Jay as well. 976 00:50:47,250 --> 00:50:48,541 We love Jay. 977 00:50:48,541 --> 00:50:51,875 And, I think there will be a lot of value that's delivered for coaches 978 00:50:51,875 --> 00:50:53,958 and practitioners and those who want to become practitioners 979 00:50:53,958 --> 00:50:56,166 in the psychedelic space for this this training. 980 00:50:56,166 --> 00:50:57,875 It is the thing I love to do. 981 00:50:57,875 --> 00:50:59,791 Thank you for having me, brother. I deeply appreciate it. 982 00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:12,250 Hey listeners, Paul here, a quick reminder to head to the link in the description 983 00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:14,000 of this episode to see the full show notes 984 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,291 at any of the links that we mentioned today. 985 00:51:16,291 --> 00:51:18,750 We'd also love to know what you thought of this conversation. 986 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,208 You can share your reflections 987 00:51:20,208 --> 00:51:24,375 inside Third Wave's community, at community.thethirdwave.co. 988 00:51:24,375 --> 00:51:27,583 Be sure to follow the Psychedelic Podcast wherever you listen 989 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:29,041 so you never miss an episode. 990 00:51:29,041 --> 00:51:31,375 And check out The Psychedelic Coach Accelerator. 991 00:51:31,375 --> 00:51:33,083 You can find a link in the show notes today, 992 00:51:33,083 --> 00:51:35,416 November 20th to 22nd will have a discount code 993 00:51:35,416 --> 00:51:38,666 there as well for you, the Psychedelic Coach Accelerator. 994 00:51:38,666 --> 00:51:39,708 I'll be speaking there. 995 00:51:39,708 --> 00:51:42,666 It would be lovely to see you at that event. 996 00:51:42,666 --> 00:51:44,750 Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next week. 997 00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:55,125 Und. Und. 998 00:52:00,333 --> 00:52:04,333 Wenn du.