[SPEAKER_04]: These bands they always have the drums up here too.

[SPEAKER_04]: And down.

[SPEAKER_07]: Playing that like you're Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater.

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was about to get hyped.

[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't about to like go really hard.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's a little bit harder later.

[SPEAKER_07]: Little bit of what I told him.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is emo metal.

[SPEAKER_07]: These are seven point two.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: We could just go with Billy Joel if you want.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's all right.

[SPEAKER_06]: I would.

[SPEAKER_06]: All right, maybe it's okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Only the chorus is high.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, only the chorus is high.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is this one of those?

[SPEAKER_07]: Or they're like...

Oh yeah, you already sing better than Darren Malakian ever did.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I have a headache in my neck hurts.

[SPEAKER_04]: You guys know whenever you really meddle.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mom.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mom goes too hard and doesn't understand.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's the cost of appreciating good music.

[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: You creamed your jeans over under oath, huh?

[SPEAKER_07]: Under all, I was so excited to see those guys.

[SPEAKER_07]: My band opened up for them back in like, two thousand five or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you say that to them?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank God.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, if they stuck around a little bit longer, I'm sure I said it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I probably want to go around to saying it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they would have, and then here's how the conversation would have gone.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and what's your band?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you would have to say.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I would have had to say suburban crisis and then explain that we broke up.

[SPEAKER_07]: We never really got that big.

[SPEAKER_07]: It would have been embarrassing overall.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's better that they left early.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a good lesson that we learned.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That maybe you just let them think that you're a nobody, which is better.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_07]: I know that we are.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh man.

[SPEAKER_07]: Nobody is, nobody's better than it has been before.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying is it's better to be a nobody than to have been in suburban crisis.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna find your record.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna find some songs next.

[SPEAKER_04]: We keep teasing this, but one of these days, suburban crisis is going to be our hype song.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't learn all the words and make it like really famous.

[SPEAKER_07]: John, a good luck learning.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was in the band for nine years and I still don't know the lyrics to any of our fucking songs, but John, I did use one of the songs to open up an episode of iconoblast back when we were still doing that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Somebody's got it somewhere.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've got the physical disk somewhere.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just need to track it down.

[SPEAKER_04]: How'd you use it then?

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Joel found it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think he's got like some personal file that he keeps on me just in case he needs to dig up anything from the past and holding hostage, like blackmailing or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, the coupe dossier.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: You have a demeanor?

[SPEAKER_07]: Coup dossier.

[SPEAKER_07]: Coup dossier.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone here knows about it.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's second only to the steel dossier.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we add stuff to it for him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know how many things happens?

[SPEAKER_04]: But anyways, I think we're sufficiently hyped.

[SPEAKER_05]: Authorities are desperately searching for a killer accused of going on a rampage.

[SPEAKER_05]: The search for a possible serial killer.

[SPEAKER_03]: An urgent manhood for a man of authorities believe is behind a triple killing spree.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, these years speculating that a possible serial killer may have struck again.

[SPEAKER_06]: Toward to get out of the car and ask when should we get him afraid in the shelter.

[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Crime Corner.

[SPEAKER_04]: I am your host, Jesse Wiseman.

[SPEAKER_04]: As always, I'm joined by my co-host Coupa Loop and Delco, the Dairyman, Dan Delco on Delco, Dan on Dan.

[SPEAKER_04]: Was up behind you?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you Dan on Dan behind you or Bob on your Bob on Dan?

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dan squared.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't go in.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bob talks so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: He talked so much.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like you're in charge of the camera.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can put it on you.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's going on a rant right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dan, they're in action.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, we're gonna have a fun one today.

[SPEAKER_04]: Today we've got another fun and flirty episode for you that's got all of our favorite things.

[SPEAKER_04]: A woman with a mysterious illness.

[SPEAKER_04]: What happened to her healthy young?

[SPEAKER_04]: Poof!

[SPEAKER_04]: Dad!

[SPEAKER_04]: A man with a dark history and a shocking revelation that blows the case wide open.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is one of our favorite things.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is, you guys are going to have to stick with us.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to make a family tree because it's going to get twisty, terny, topsy-turvy.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to have, we're going to reiterate some names.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're probably going to not, I'm not saying you're dumb.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already lost.

[SPEAKER_04]: going to be one of those things, we're going to be like, wait, but then who was married to?

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll lay it all out and try and make it as cohesive as possible, but you're going to have to stick with us, Rubin, okay?

[SPEAKER_07]: It was confusing for the people in the moment as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't know what was going on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to actually lay it out for them as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, this is the case of Janet over ten.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I have one possible.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a, I had a couple possible titles.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, that all kind of all let you know throughout.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't give it away.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm ready to write them down.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: One is puked to death.

[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds like it.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a little teaser for you.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure that's a cannibal corpse song.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it puked to death?

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, they've got a song called like coming blood or something like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: The cannibal corpse has amazing song titles.

[SPEAKER_07]: Second only to anal count.

[SPEAKER_04]: Colting blood is one of the song titles.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure it's coming blood or something along those lines.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a medical condition.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, dude.

[SPEAKER_04]: What was every song titled?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's also a great song.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is every song titled some weird medical condition?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, and let's hammer smash face is also a medical condition that I've never heard of.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what, guys, every time I think that I can like, you know what, like, I can probably get into metal.

[SPEAKER_04]: You guys fucking know me something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Never mind.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is a medical condition.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's called acting up.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a good point.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get into it.

[SPEAKER_07]: At some point, it would be fun to go through the song titles of Angel Count.

[SPEAKER_07]: One of my favorite song titles is you robbed a sperm bank because you're a cumguzzling queer.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is a song title?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's a song title.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be able to do metal.

[SPEAKER_07]: The title's actually longer than the song itself.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got to work shot that.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got to cut some fat.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, it'll be way more metal, which is leave it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Leave it all in there.

[SPEAKER_07]: So for our story this week, we will be going to the sunny shores of Southern California, but not the post-apocalyptic iteration of the gold coast we see in the news every day.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're going back to the good old days.

[SPEAKER_07]: back when there were thirty four point six homicides per one hundred thousand residents of Los Angeles as opposed to the poultry seven per one hundred thousand we've got these days.

[SPEAKER_07]: The crack epidemic was in full swing, gang activity was off the charts and Korean shopkeepers were forced to form militias in order to protect their businesses from rioters.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was the golden era of California.

[SPEAKER_04]: the days late eighties early nineties by far the best era for California the days because it was either hippies or super super rich people super rich people and then sprinkled amongst all of them was just insanely like criminally violent people right as a serial killer epicenter do you know what I mean and then where we're talking about to is where [SPEAKER_04]: where the rich people would just be done with their wife for her husband.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, things as partner are just throwing them in.

[SPEAKER_00]: What that city attracts, let's just total sociopaths.

[SPEAKER_04]: California.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just LA.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, it's like back in the eighties, it's like how Austin is now.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was the Halsian days of the late-nineteen eighties that tragedy struck a middle-class family living in Dana Point, California.

[SPEAKER_07]: What started off as a pleasant family outing soon turned into a nightmare that would flip their lives upside down.

[SPEAKER_07]: Little did they know it was just the beginning of a year's long struggle to find the truth behind the mysterious death of a woman named Janet Overton.

[SPEAKER_07]: Dammit Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dammit Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: What happened?

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll tell you.

[SPEAKER_04]: On January, twenty-fourth, nineteen eighty-eight, forty-six-year-old Janet Overton had arranged to spend the day whale watching with her eighteen-year-old son Eric, and a friend named Bill Dawson of Dawson's Creek.

[SPEAKER_04]: As Janet and Eric were loading their belongings into her car in the driveway of her Dana Point California home, she suddenly collapsed and became unresponsive.

[SPEAKER_04]: Eric rushed inside the house and told his father Richard to call nine one one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sadly, it was already too late.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet was pronounced dead before reaching the hospital.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was calling it puke to death because they called nine one one and then she was just kind of like I feel I just feel a little bit sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't cancel the ambulance.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to lay down and then puke could continue to like puke her brains out.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we all know how much women blow it out of proportion when they're sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: But honestly, if somebody's puking, you're like, okay, well, they're a lot.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're super sick, but they're alive, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: They then finally, she was like, we call it nine, like her son came in there.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, we got a call him back.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry for the false alarm guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you come now?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sure they spread right over.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then she was pronounced at the hospital.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it was like, you know, we'll get into why she would have been like, I just don't feel good.

[SPEAKER_04]: But shall we see a picture of old [SPEAKER_04]: Janet, Janet over.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just a picture of health right there.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love those glasses.

[SPEAKER_04]: Young's why I want them now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't you think they're fucking bad.

[SPEAKER_07]: Those are like the female equivalent of the glasses that I wear right now with my dad wore back in the in the late eighties early nineties.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does it make me a bad person if I just don't care about those person already?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna tell you right off the bat so you could, you know, play some games on your phone or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: No one in this story is hot.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not one person.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going home.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know, I'm really sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was as long as everything's set up, I guess it's fine, but no one's good looking.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there's a lot of stuff going on that you go, and they should be hot all the shit that they're doing, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: You would think so.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's hot.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I kept popping into my mind throughout the entire process, right in the episode.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, there's a whole lot of fucking going on for, for so long ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like we're given too much away, but even in this area at that time, you're like, you're Dana Point super rich by the beach, you know, this is like where the richie of the richie [SPEAKER_00]: Is this the original like FTX scandal where it's a bunch of like, you know, young rich people fucking, but they're all gross.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I just gagged a little bit thinking about that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Those those fucking poly relationships that they were having the tech industry is just a goddamn cesspool.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know it's nothing cool like that or like how it was to work for John McAfee or anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: It really is just like [SPEAKER_04]: Look, it's really just a lot of a lot of people, a lot of lying, a lot of all over the place, but we haven't even gotten there yet.

[SPEAKER_04]: So let's see a picture of Janet and Richard.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Richard is the husband that called the ambulance.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess I like that sweater that she's wearing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like if I could get that sweater and her glasses, but yeah, that's Richard.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we're not [SPEAKER_04]: You know, we're not like trying to picture them having sex or anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God, no.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're going to have to think about it quite a bit, though.

[SPEAKER_04]: Normal, you know, look at the flannel couch.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Just normal working class family.

[SPEAKER_07]: Watching the prices right at eleven o'clock.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've had so many points in my life where I've woken up with a hangover on a couch that looks exactly like the imprint of the fibers on my face.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and the quilt that they put over it that's like the different like the old seventies quilt where it's like the they quilted like flowers into It's like it's like an AIDS quilt but not gay.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's like all knit like a knit quilt look it up now You're looking for [SPEAKER_04]: Seventies, uh, knitted quilt.

[SPEAKER_04]: But everyone, I don't want to see you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Are you talking about like an afghan?

[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of, but I don't talk like a nerd.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when you see it, you're going to be like, yes, of course.

[SPEAKER_04]: They all went over the back of those.

[SPEAKER_04]: Flannel, seventies, eighties, couches.

[SPEAKER_07]: My grandma was really big into crocheting.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we had Afghans fucking everywhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're crochet that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's a perfect.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a what?

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's, that's an Afghan life.

[SPEAKER_07]: My grandma used to make those obsessively every single grandchild that she had got one that she specifically made for them.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was really good, Delco.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Going on.

[SPEAKER_04]: I take it back.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was on the hot seat.

[SPEAKER_07]: Rob.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_07]: I take it back.

[SPEAKER_07]: All I said was still similar to an eight quilt, but it is gay looking.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's all I said was gay put in gay looking seventies.

[SPEAKER_04]: We all remember waking up hungover and like throwing over us.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's seventies though.

[SPEAKER_04]: We had one.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a perfect description honestly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Janet Collap, Janet's collapse came after a painful and prolonged struggle with an unknown illness.

[SPEAKER_04]: Around two years before her death, she began developing strange symptoms that included chronic nausea, rashes all over her body and difficulty walking due to sores on her feet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Despite multiple trips to the hospital, doctors were unable to determine the cause of the malady.

[SPEAKER_04]: Malady?

[SPEAKER_04]: What was I think, you know, melancholia.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they would call good movie being sad back in the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, depression.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he got he got a touch of melancholia.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was back in the good old days when hysteria was something that you could actually [SPEAKER_07]: actually diagnose a woman with and then you send them to the doctor and the doctor fingers him and they shut the hell up for a few weeks.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you're talking about the good old days, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the good old days, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the good old days.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or they send it to Sony.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Or yeah, if fingering doesn't work, straight to the loony bin.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and every time they have their period, they have to go to jail.

[SPEAKER_04]: If the go to jail and get on heroin, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: It's insane how common that was throughout cultures that if a woman was on her period, she had to get the fuck out of the village.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you're going to come back when you're done.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: She got a message.

[SPEAKER_04]: I put in jail.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure in some African tribes, they still do that.

[SPEAKER_07]: If a woman's on her period, she has to stay in a hut that's like out on the edge of the village.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh.

[SPEAKER_07]: Is that what they call it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Or is that just what she turns it into?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think it originated from the Native Americans, but red tent.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think just from doing my history show, my favorite little fact toward I learned throughout the last five years is an ancient summer on the tablets.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would write like day to day life, like people miss and work and everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a guy [SPEAKER_00]: kept missing his job because he said his wife was on his period.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the guy just started to track his wife's period.

[SPEAKER_00]: The post was tracking his workers' wife's period.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because he was like using it as an excuse.

[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't old.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, actually your wife's period was like three days ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they called him out on his bullshit.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh god, Dan, the ancient Sumerians were pretty fucking smart for me in thousands of years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: Talk about the good old days.

[SPEAKER_07]: Dude, Anxon Sumer, best of times.

[SPEAKER_04]: My wife's on her period, which means all life must end.

[SPEAKER_04]: Although no foul play was suspected, an investigation in autopsy was still performed in an attempt to conclusively determine Janet's cause of death.

[SPEAKER_04]: As we expected, the pathologist found rashes and discoloration along with peeling skin on her feet.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're welcome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Aside from that, her body.

[SPEAKER_07]: Picture those grippers.

[SPEAKER_04]: What I tell you the most gruesome part of this is that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the skin starts peeling off the bottom of your feet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Girl.

[SPEAKER_07]: And also, I mean, you just can buy in that with a picture of Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Not the best thing to see right before lunch.

[SPEAKER_04]: Aside from that, her body showed no signs of trauma and her toxicology report came back clean.

[SPEAKER_04]: As far as anyone could tell, she had just suddenly dropped dead.

[SPEAKER_04]: Her death certificate listed her cause of death as unknown.

[SPEAKER_04]: They were really trying to see something.

[SPEAKER_04]: underlying issues, hardest hat, I mean anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is it that caused this one puke?

[SPEAKER_07]: Really?

[SPEAKER_07]: Just puke into that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just puke to death, but why did you puke so much?

[SPEAKER_04]: So.

[SPEAKER_07]: She was trying to get her modeling career on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Launched.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, supposedly the pathologists didn't want to just put on known, but without finding anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, oh, sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: And especially, especially after that many years of somebody just chronically being sick, you would kind of have the chance to look at everything because there's some diseases that you can only find if you actually dissect the brain.

[SPEAKER_07]: But even then, nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Losing Janet was a devastating blow to her family.

[SPEAKER_07]: The timing of her sudden death made it all the more tragic.

[SPEAKER_07]: Her son, Eric, was preparing to graduate from high school that year, and Janet had used her position as leader of the local school board to arrange a surprise form.

[SPEAKER_07]: On the day of his graduation, she was going to be the one that handed him his diploma.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is really fucking sad.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet's death wasn't just a painful blow to her family.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was a tragedy for the entire community.

[SPEAKER_07]: As a leader of the local school board, Janet had developed relationships with many of the parents and children in her district.

[SPEAKER_07]: Over the years, she had earned a reputation as a friendly, intelligent, and caring community leader.

[SPEAKER_07]: Aside from a few conservative parents who thought she was too progressive, she was pretty much universally loved.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet also had a very close relationship with her coworkers in the school district.

[SPEAKER_07]: In fact, some might say she was a little too close to at least one of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet's a bit of a naughty girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some time in nineteen eighty five.

[SPEAKER_04]: Flyers began appearing on the windshields of cars in the parking lot of the school district office offices.

[SPEAKER_04]: The leaflets alleged that Janet was having an extra marital affair with the coworker.

[SPEAKER_04]: This was a big problem both personally and professionally although no proof of the affair was provided.

[SPEAKER_04]: The allegations put strain on their respective marriages and their jobs.

[SPEAKER_04]: As a result, both Janet and her colleague were reprimanded by the superintendent of the district and told that they actually were the superintendent of the district and told that if they actually were having an affair, it had to stop.

[SPEAKER_04]: The coworker in question was none other than Bill Dawson of Dawson's career.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, build her to the Dawson family for a yacht that she was going out on the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: She dropped dead in the driveway.

[SPEAKER_07]: Little strange.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just a little strange.

[SPEAKER_04]: The person she had planned to go while watching with was on the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was Dawson from Dawson screen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Further investigation confirmed that Bill and Jan, I'm going to picture James Vanderbeaker.

[SPEAKER_04]: or just like him on the creek, Dawson's Creek Bill with this big deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: Further investigation confirmed that Bill and Janet had in fact been having an affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: According to Bill, he and Janet had first had sex in nineteen eighty one while on a business trip in San Francisco.

[SPEAKER_04]: Will a picture of Bill?

[SPEAKER_07]: I couldn't find a picture of Bill.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm really, really curious to see what he looks like.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a picture of Bill and [SPEAKER_04]: It's not what you think.

[SPEAKER_07]: No fucking way.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's Belle.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's old Nick Donald.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look at the look at the hate like the pitchwork.

[SPEAKER_04]: We had overalls.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is that crazy or what?

[SPEAKER_07]: Overalls flannel shirt.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was him.

[SPEAKER_07]: He had a lot by the way.

[SPEAKER_07]: Holy shit.

[SPEAKER_07]: His ranch must have been making a killing.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had a yacht by the way.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if I was in the school district, I would be wondering how he got multiple yachts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty curious about that too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just saying.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like the money going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, a Japanese or Chinese podcast at this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, by the way, not too many, there's only like two or three podcasts that have done this case.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think because it's, I think because it's very, you've got a, you've got a stick to the story, which we're really good at doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I figured that's why we should do it because we don't confuse people with like our backstory of like cars we used to own and stuff.

[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, everybody's tracking.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have everyone's tracking at this point.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, that's Bill for their investment in command.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bill and Janet had in fact been having an affair according to Bill.

[SPEAKER_04]: He and Janet first had sex in nineteen eighty one.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I wanted to show the picture of Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: an old man build on a business trip in San Francisco.

[SPEAKER_04]: The on again, off again, relationship continued over the next few years until the anonymous flyers blew the lid off the affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: The trist cooled off for a little while after the pair were ordered to end it by their boss, but starting up again within a few months.

[SPEAKER_04]: They continued to meet and secret up until Janet's sudden death.

[SPEAKER_07]: And he was talking about how they would, they were like, not too secret.

[SPEAKER_04]: They just told Richard they were going well watching, not who they were going with.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_07]: I hope so.

[SPEAKER_07]: Otherwise, Richard was weird.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, a little weird.

[SPEAKER_07]: But they were talking about how they would meet up and like his truck and the school parking lot and like all these other secretive places that they would go to have sex.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ugh.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, it's always the ones that you don't think, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's always, it's never a Katy Perry.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we were talking about it on a previous episode that if you go to a nude beach, you think that it's gonna be, you know, like love island, it's definitely not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you want a freak that's gonna go to your, your old truck in the middle of like school hours and fucking have sex with you, it may not be the hottest chick in the world.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's all I'm gonna say.

[SPEAKER_04]: The news of the affair was notable to investigators, but no evidence found.

[SPEAKER_04]: No evidence was found that lead police to believe Janet had been murdered.

[SPEAKER_04]: The only people that stood to gain anything from her death, both had solid alibis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet's husband.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard had been inside the house when she collapsed in the driveway and Bill Dawson of Dawson's Creek was waiting for Janet on his boat.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Bill Dawson was waiting for Janet on his boat in the harbor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Neither one of them had been in a position to do anything to her.

[SPEAKER_04]: In addition, the fact that Janet had been suffering from her unknown illness for years led police to determine that she had simply succumbed to the mystery, the mystery disease that had ravaged her body.

[SPEAKER_07]: And also Richard was ravaged her body just the way that Bill did.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_03]: Every afternoon in the hot sun.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Imagine the smell of that story.

[SPEAKER_07]: It sounds fun.

[SPEAKER_07]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard also was calling constantly to like find out if they have any answers, any leads.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think the sun wanted to note like they were.

[SPEAKER_04]: They couldn't believe that there wasn't any answers to why she dropped out and they kept calling to check.

[SPEAKER_07]: Especially after dealing with it for that many years, even though she's already dead, that is going to bring some sort of closure to it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Finally, figuring out, you know, it's not going to bring her back from the dead, but at least knowing what it was that she had been suffering from for so long would bring a certain amount of closure to the role situation.

[SPEAKER_07]: Within a month, the investigation into Janet's death came to a close.

[SPEAKER_07]: It stayed closed until six months later, when the Dana Point police received a call from a woman who had intimate knowledge of Janet's husband, Richard.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was his ex-wife, Dorothy Boyer.

[SPEAKER_07]: Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.

[SPEAKER_07]: We got a picture of Dorothy here, too.

[SPEAKER_07]: Another looker.

[SPEAKER_07]: Gosh.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so, we're going to keep the, who?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a tie.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do like the glasses again, though.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to give.

[SPEAKER_04]: I need to give a compliment.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do like the glasses.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so for keeping this straight, Janet Richards current wife drops dead.

[SPEAKER_04]: His ex wife Dorothy.

[SPEAKER_04]: calls and says she has some kind of information.

[SPEAKER_04]: She probably sees it on the news and is like, oh, what?

[SPEAKER_07]: rings.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it would be like, huh, interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bill at this point, we're kind of going to, we're going to leave old Bill with his pitchfork.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's just sitting out on his boat with pitchfork.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: They weren't up in a fair, but there's no way that he could have done anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of makes me sad that man owns a boat.

[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, multiple and not just boats, yachts.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: How the fuck is he doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: He's stealing.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can guarantee that every single person that we've seen a picture of has done more fucking than all three of us combined.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's so true.

[SPEAKER_07]: Both Janet and Richard had been married before meeting one another.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet had previously been married to a man named Ronald Crum.

[SPEAKER_07]: I bet he was a look or two.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the two divorced a few years before she and Richard first met.

[SPEAKER_07]: Richard had also been married, not once, but twice.

[SPEAKER_07]: The main problem was, both of his previous marriages occurred at the same time.

[SPEAKER_07]: Dorothy told the police that during her marriage to Richard, she discovered that he was living a double life.

[SPEAKER_07]: When he was in at home with Dorothy and their four children, he was at home with his other wife, Carolyn Hutchison.

[SPEAKER_07]: Upon learning of the infidelity in nineteen sixty nine, Dorothy filed for divorced and kicked Richard out of the house.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was then that she began to mysteriously fall ill.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this Carolyn Hutchinson, cross-eyed by the way.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you find a picture of her?

[SPEAKER_07]: No.

[SPEAKER_07]: The only one that I could find, I found Dorothy Boyer.

[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't find Carolyn.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so each time he's married, she does.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Each time she's married, he's married.

[SPEAKER_04]: And all these people are married.

[SPEAKER_04]: They have a couple kids in each marriage.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so they're bringing all these kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: One kid from this marriage and this current marriage.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when Dorothy found out about Carolyn, um, [SPEAKER_04]: They had kids together.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Bill and Dorothy were divorced, but they still had to deal with each other because of the kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: Richard and Dorothy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard and Dorothy, sorry, we're leaving Bill on the yacht.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard and Dorothy had kids that they still needed to talk to each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't just like kick them out, get out of here.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're having an affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: We still need to deal with kids together.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now I'll co-parenting thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever, it's all it's, I don't understand it to be.

[SPEAKER_04]: Around the time that Richard and Dorothy's divorce was finalized, Dorothy began to develop strange symptoms.

[SPEAKER_04]: She began to constantly feel nauseous and developed painful lesions on her body.

[SPEAKER_04]: Eventually she began to notice a pattern.

[SPEAKER_04]: The symptoms always got worse after Richard came to the house to either see the kids or talk about some kind of child support he wasn't paying by the way or fight or whatever.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I feel yeah, I've got X's that make me sick too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so she was just like.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was going through withdrawal that good dick.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what we don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's why they call me big dick overton.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we don't know why this guy keeps pulling premium.

[SPEAKER_04]: tail, but he does.

[SPEAKER_04]: So one day while Richard was at Dorothy's house to pick up their kids, she noticed a strange odor coming from the milk carton in her refrigerator.

[SPEAKER_04]: Suspicious that her ex has been might be slipping something into her food, Dorothy took the milk to the police.

[SPEAKER_07]: As you do, [SPEAKER_04]: Smell this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do we need to look at the milk to the police?

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: The police were like, oh, yeah, it's expired to us.

[SPEAKER_04]: They were like, oh, we'll get right on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Come on, they pulled every detective in smell it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, Dorothy took the milk to the police just stick with us and asked them to test it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Her suspicion was proven to be true.

[SPEAKER_04]: The test revealed that the milk had been spiked with a large dose of selenium.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyone with Dandruff knows what Solaniam is, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, main ingredient and head and shoulders.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's in a surprising amount of things.

[SPEAKER_07]: Solaniam is a chemical element that was first discovered in eighteen seventeen by a Swedish canis named John's Jacob Berzilius.

[SPEAKER_07]: Since it's discovery, it has been used in everything from baby formula to dietary supplements to solar panels.

[SPEAKER_07]: In fact, according to the makers of lock and load, and also according to a good old fake Ryan here in the studio.

[SPEAKER_07]: In the right dosage, Selenium will have you shoot in ropes thicker than a halired line on a Spanish gallion, which calls into question how the Selenium got into the milk.

[SPEAKER_07]: And also if anybody wants to buy some lock and load.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but...

So Selenium is in supplements.

[SPEAKER_04]: Selenium is in [SPEAKER_04]: some kind of right dosage that makes you uh rock hard and have a bunch of yeah there you go you want to not a shoe sponsor but like if you look at you if you want to shoot shoot loads like Peter North I guess you need some salini but we are open you know we're always willing to check yeah one hundred percent this is a free ad so free ads you know if you'll say no free ads we do [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how much their numbers spike at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But is it a gorilla mind product?

[SPEAKER_00]: Something familiar.

[SPEAKER_04]: Law and load is what it's called.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can we get a description of what so does it say like go down?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, if you scroll down a bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Does it say like what hey, if you're if you're wanting to?

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's saying selenium is in this.

[SPEAKER_07]: it is it's a it's a smaller dosage but also somebody who we are sponsored by first form they've got selenium and and their supplements also right it's in a lot of stuff but the the amount is so yeah small right yeah pretty much anything in a large enough dosage is going to kill you even water you can get hyper hydrosis and you know hyper hydrosis I think is really talking about that right this is a very strange [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's keep.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, while trace amounts of selenium occur naturally in the body and are necessary for cellular function in large doses, it becomes deadly.

[SPEAKER_07]: Doses in excess of four hundred micrograms per day can lead to selenium poisoning, which is known as selenosis.

[SPEAKER_07]: Symptoms of selenosis include, and this is interesting, fatigue, nausea, difficulty walking, and skin rashes.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, where have we heard that before?

[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Both gals in our story, so far.

[SPEAKER_07]: Upon discovering the selenium in Dorothy's food, Richard was taken in for questioning by the police.

[SPEAKER_07]: During the interrogation, he admitted that he had begun sneaking selenium into Dorothy's food following the divorce, but he didn't want to kill her.

[SPEAKER_07]: He just wanted to make her sick.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just a little goof.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why did he admit this?

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like not like cyanide.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's something that so you say is fucking in everything.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's.

[SPEAKER_04]: So why would it start to say, oh, she's the perfect crime.

[SPEAKER_07]: She's taken too much lock and load.

[SPEAKER_04]: Tell her to lay off the lock and load and she's not going to see it or vitamins or she's drinking head and shoulders.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't fucking.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but with the right dose, it's going to lead to fertility and a spike in libido.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe you just wanted to fuck her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, that's the point.

[SPEAKER_07]: If we drink in the milk, if old, if old, big dick overtoned what it kept his mouth shut, then nobody would have even known that he was slipping it into into Dorothy's food.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to say he did not have to admit this.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is actually I'm going to put this on how to get away on one of my how to get away with what a great because like it's in everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean.

[SPEAKER_00]: Keep it in your back pocket for a.

Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't test for.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, any freeze, any free.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't test for it, but if a family member asks for your, I think, liver, kidney, or something to be tested, they will.

[SPEAKER_04]: By zine, now they're testing for, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Every time you use, yeah, shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's in the talks.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know that was going to be my way.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, [SPEAKER_04]: They wouldn't test for this.

[SPEAKER_04]: It would be, you do not have to admit it.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's all I'm saying, but go ahead.

[SPEAKER_07]: At the very least, as far as I know, they're still not testing for insulin overdoses that are injected underneath the tongue.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no insulin is.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can do it is the perfect crime.

[SPEAKER_07]: In the end, Dorothy chose not to press charges against Richard, so long as he agreed to get psychological health.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, [SPEAKER_07]: May have tried to poison me, but as long as he goes and gets therapy, women are fucking so obsessed with therapy.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or he was cool with this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dorothy didn't want to press charges for being poisoned by her ex husband.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not paying child support and had a whole other fucking wife.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think Delco's onto something.

[SPEAKER_07]: He had some magic in the bedroom or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had a lock in load.

[SPEAKER_04]: He invented lock in one.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Once Richard was finally out of her life, Dorothy pushed the memories to the back of her head and moved on.

[SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't until she heard of Janet's death twenty years later that she brought it to the police attention once again.

[SPEAKER_07]: And her defense, if I was married to someone that looked like Richard, I would kind of want to forget it also.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we've got a picture of Richard later in his life, looking even more handsome.

[SPEAKER_07]: Look at that guy.

[UNKNOWN]: God.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is like a faculty picture that he took.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_07]: It looks like he's in a police lineup, and that's just a faculty picture for like an ID.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he shaves the mustache and the beard and keeps a clean between?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't connect.

[SPEAKER_04]: He does that on purpose, for sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's gotta be.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't, there's no way.

[SPEAKER_07]: Doesn't grow like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: And Ashford.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's like, able to link it on the bottom and Tom Sellik up top.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do we talk about what he does for work?

[SPEAKER_07]: Make a choice.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, we don't really get into it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do we talk about how Caroline found out about Dorothy?

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, we don't get into those details either.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you got him, we could.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Caroline, the one that Dorothy found out about cross-eyed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cross-eyed Caroline.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very insecure didn't really talk to dudes that much.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this guy, Richard Holder, is what he told her.

[SPEAKER_04]: His name was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dick Holder did, I was just gonna say.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dick Holder.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, struggle of a conversation, they started dating and ended up getting married, but because of what he did for work, which was like computer program, he's very smart actually has a doctorate, and it was like a computer programmer for a defense company with high level security, security clearance.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was kind of like, you know, not see, you know what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_07]: He was like a cold school tech bro.

[SPEAKER_04]: Tech bro, but he also had high, like getting a security clearance.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so he couldn't do certain things, say certain things he had to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did she become Mrs.

Holder?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did she take the name though?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure because it wasn't in surreal name.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a good question.

[SPEAKER_07]: He would have to fake a lot of shit to get that to happen.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he, she, they get married.

[SPEAKER_04]: She like can't find him one day and ends up calling his work and is looking for Richard Holder.

[SPEAKER_04]: They did find a Richard Holder there, Dick Holder.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it was his coworker and he was like, no, but you may be looking for this person.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he got in trouble for using the wrong name.

[SPEAKER_04]: She finds out that he's got a whole other life, double life.

[SPEAKER_04]: She gets real mad at him, but doesn't leave.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's still kind of like, I'm telling you, these girls loved it.

[SPEAKER_04]: They loved old dick over time.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can alone.

[SPEAKER_04]: They just let him get away with everything, trying to kill him.

[SPEAKER_04]: having a whole another family you know what he would do he would have want he would have Carolyn drop him off at the airport bags packed and say I've got a trip for a week I can't tell you what it is obviously high security clearance and then he would have Dorothy he would just go right out the door and have Dorothy pick him up with his bags because he'd been away on a trip that's how you can tell that this guy was a computer scientist he I don't condone it but that was very smart that's so smart [SPEAKER_00]: This is also how you know he's a total stick man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: He knows how to do the switch.

[SPEAKER_04]: A bitch out of fucking air at the airport.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very smart before this or even doing it.

[SPEAKER_07]: This error really was that like one of the greatest errors in history.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: And also airport.

[SPEAKER_04]: You could just like walk in, sit somewhere with bags for a while.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then walk right out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's going to ask you any questions like sir.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?

[SPEAKER_07]: Bring back those days.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks a lot, Al Qaeda.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Police reopen the investigation into Janet's death.

[SPEAKER_04]: Although police believed Dorothy's story, the difference between the two situations made them skeptical that Richard was behind Janet's death.

[SPEAKER_04]: While Dorothy and Richard had been in the midst of a bitter divorce, when he began poisoning her, the marriage between Janet and Richard had been a happy one.

[SPEAKER_04]: at least on the surface.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet's body had been cremated of course.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't they always just cremate right away?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you didn't find anything cool, burner, get it, burner.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want you to like keep anything to find out what happened to her, put her in the oven.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet's body had been cremated following her death, meaning it would be impossible to perform a second autopsy.

[SPEAKER_04]: However, they did have some tissue samples that the pathologist had kept on file in case further testing was needed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Janet's tissue and organs were tested.

[SPEAKER_04]: But surprisingly, no traces of selenium were found.

[SPEAKER_04]: Although no selenium was found in the initial test, police wanted to be sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: to put that theory to rest once and for all.

[SPEAKER_04]: They called in the big guns.

[SPEAKER_07]: So maybe you know a little bit more about this than I do.

[SPEAKER_07]: I couldn't, I couldn't tell why they didn't find Selenium during the second round of testing, even though that was what Dorothy had reported.

[SPEAKER_07]: She had been poisoned by it with Selenium.

[SPEAKER_07]: And as far as I know, if you'd actually test for it, you can find it.

[SPEAKER_04]: and Janet didn't they find like traces of cyanide?

[SPEAKER_07]: Not until much later.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well not much later.

[SPEAKER_07]: For Janet, yeah, but it was later.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they were checking for selenium, not cyanide.

[SPEAKER_07]: So from what I understand, she had a total of three autopsy's done.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're coming up on the third one here.

[SPEAKER_07]: The second round of testing, they also didn't find anything, but that's when they called in the big guns as you were saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was probably trace amounts in maybe organs, maybe tissue, but once they get to the brain, they can see that it had been happening for a while.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, that makes sense.

[SPEAKER_07]: Before that, they're just going to assume that she's getting those doses of locking load from Richard.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she did take, I mean, that's a thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was so, so small that you couldn't rule out.

[SPEAKER_04]: She takes, she takes supplements, like, even Richard said she takes these supplements, whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they all have selenium in them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think it was enough, but the pathologist, so Paul said Rick, [SPEAKER_04]: was a retired toxicologist from for the Orange County Sheriff's Department.

[SPEAKER_04]: With years of experience under his belt, with his track record, investigators knew that if there was any evidence of foul play, he would find it.

[SPEAKER_04]: In July of nineteen eighty eight, Janet's organ and tissue samples were sent to Sedgwick for analysis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Little did they know that Sedgwick not only [SPEAKER_04]: Had the practical experience needed to carry out the test, he had a genetic predisposition for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So is that the smelling of the almond?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which is true.

[SPEAKER_07]: We'll get into it now.

[SPEAKER_07]: So genetic traits vary from person to person and some are more beneficial than others.

[SPEAKER_07]: Some people have benign genetic quirks such as a phoenix sneeze reflex causing them to sneeze when they see extremely bright lights.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do either one of you guys have that?

[SPEAKER_07]: If I look at the sun on ice knees, every time I look at the sun, and it causes me to sneeze.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bright lights in general don't always do it, but if I look up at the sun, ever sun?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, ever since I was good.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're not supposed to look at the sun.

[SPEAKER_07]: Says who?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're like every time I just stare right at the sun, I can sneeze.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm allergic to the sun, obviously.

[SPEAKER_07]: The body saying don't do this, bro.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you wearing glasses?

[SPEAKER_07]: That's just a friendly little slap on the hand for biology.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, but really, if I walk outside, it's not as bad when I was a kid.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was really bad.

[SPEAKER_07]: If I walked outside on like from a dark room outside and was bright, I would, yeah, it automatically start sneezing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like right away, almost like having an allergic attack.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's really funny to picture just so you know.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, it was, it was horrible for me growing up.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of things that were horrible for me growing up.

[SPEAKER_04]: They make me laugh, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Coup, would you do perennium sunan, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how about there and you spread your cheeks and get your asshole nice and out there for the sun?

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't have the same reaction when I expose my perennium or my brown eye to it.

[SPEAKER_07]: But if I actually look at it, then it'll cause me to sneeze.

[SPEAKER_07]: I haven't tested it lately, but I'm pretty sure it still happens.

[SPEAKER_07]: What if eventually in my forties, I learned you're not supposed to stare at the sun?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sun is still out.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to go?

[SPEAKER_04]: What if you cry and look at your pernium?

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you sneeze then?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, I can't go.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: I gag a little bit.

[SPEAKER_07]: Others have less benign, genetic traits such as marfan syndrome, which causes a person to be extremely flexible, but more prone to heart problems.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've seen some people with marfan, like they're the type of people that they call it double-jointed.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's kind of on the spectrum of marfan syndrome, but apparently that also makes your arteries overly flexible, so you're more prone to having like [SPEAKER_07]: heart and yourisms or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because when you're doing something like bends, you're just cuts the blood flow off.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: So even a person's sense of taste and smell are heavily influenced by their genes.

[SPEAKER_07]: Paul said what had a very unique genetic trait that allowed him to smell a very specific chemical cyanide.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it kind of like cilantro tasting like so?

[SPEAKER_07]: That's that's what I was thinking also because I absolutely love cilantro but Do you either one of you Delco do you have the cilantro thing?

[SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm not a freak.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's an insane one I thought that it was bullshit for a long time I thought it was just people that were picky it it kind of might be but then again I don't know if you guys believe me that I sneeze when I look at the sun so [SPEAKER_07]: Got like you?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know what we will leave that, you know?

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you say, oh, I don't like cilantro, it tastes like so.

[SPEAKER_03]: I heard that jean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got...

To me it just sounds like you.

[SPEAKER_07]: We don't like cilantro.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's, to me there is nothing better than like finally diced white onions with some cilantro on the street taco.

[SPEAKER_07]: I would kill for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say, you know, those genetics do exist.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should not procreate.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's insane.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't know what's gonna happen if they keep fucking mutating.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've been saying it for years.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's kind of something to eugenics.

[SPEAKER_04]: He has been saying it for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse once played a famous eugenics.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like eugenicists?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not eugenicists, but a famous eugenics like pro movement gal.

[SPEAKER_07]: If I was Helen Keller, I'd be for eugenics also.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, sheep.

[SPEAKER_04]: I forgot that Helen Keller was a piece of shit.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's probably a gen X.

Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was so.

[SPEAKER_07]: Was she actually the piece of shit or was it her handler?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that I'm still not going to mention.

[SPEAKER_04]: She actually say it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she wasn't born that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was six months after she was born.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she was kind of picking the ladder up on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's going to use the fact that people pity her to get her message out.

[SPEAKER_07]: Good.

[SPEAKER_07]: That might be one of my favorite things that I've ever heard Delco say is that six month old Helen Keller pulled up the ladder behind her.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I mean, she waited.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So Paul said to have this unique genetic trait that allowed him to smell cyanide.

[SPEAKER_07]: So when he cut open Janet's stomach and smelled burnt almonds, he immediately knew he was dealing with a murder.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever heard anything?

[SPEAKER_04]: Grossers and that?

[SPEAKER_07]: It cutting open someone's stomach and smelling burnt on me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Almond's and having to be like, mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: You cut it open.

[SPEAKER_07]: You smell the aftermath of lock and a load.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's a little bit grosser.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't want to smell anything when I cut open somebody's stomach.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, so he knew he was dealing with a murder.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sedgewick found traces of cyanide and Janet's stomach, meaning she had ingested it very soon before her death.

[SPEAKER_07]: Furthermore, the presence of cyanide in her brain tissue meant that she had been exposed to the poison on at least one previous occasion.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was now all but confirmed that Janet had been murdered, and the most likely culprit was the guy who had already poisoned one of his wives.

[SPEAKER_07]: Go figure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Following the autopsy, investigators obtained a search warrant for Richard's house.

[SPEAKER_07]: Inside, they found a treasure trove of insane ramblings and ample evidence of malicious intent.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which, I mean, he was without sin, guess the first stone, come on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think they didn't like the look of him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they were jealous of his stick man belly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they were like, we're gonna get this guy one way or the other, because I don't think anyone else would look into.

[SPEAKER_04]: and unhealthy older gal dropping dead, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, not at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, police confiscated Richard's home computer along with his personal journals, despite his initial claims that he and Janet had been content in their marriage.

[SPEAKER_04]: His extensive documentation of their relationships said otherwise.

[SPEAKER_04]: Over the last decade of their marriage, Richard had kept detailed logs of every perceived slight he had experienced.

[SPEAKER_04]: And also, Old Crossside was still hooking up with him when he was with Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: But as soon as him and Janet had a kid, she was like, okay, never mind.

[SPEAKER_04]: But like every one at the all the X wives before Janet were like still fucking cool with him.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do boys in me?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like still sleep, like she was still down to be with him even though he had gotten married.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even before their marriage had gotten an old because him having a whole previous family then he had a new family with Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Janet was really, really close after he got his marriage with Carolyn, an old.

[SPEAKER_04]: This guy, I mean, one of the best to ever do it, I hate that he looks that way, who would play him in the, if we want to make this a fun fantasy, we've got to think of someone that would play him, that we'd actually be into this story, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Gary Oldman.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're an Oldman guy.

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, I love Oldman.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would say default.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that is a good one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe not current default.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got the the perfect man for the job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jay Simmons.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, if I'm picturing JK Simmons from like Whiplash, let's say, I'd be able to get more into this story, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: And I totally get it, especially now that he's like jacked.

[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's more jacked than he's ever been.

[SPEAKER_07]: And he's JK Simmons.

[SPEAKER_07]: That voice was fucking amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a jacked son and he could play a jack.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's an orange.

[SPEAKER_04]: So good.

[SPEAKER_04]: I use it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he kept detailed logs like an idiot of every perceived slight he had experienced in the marriage.

[SPEAKER_04]: So from reading his journals, police learned that he and Janet had been at odds for years, even refusing to eat together or sleep in the same room.

[SPEAKER_04]: The obsessive documentation included suspicion that Janet was having in a fair, which was actually true, and listed over fifteen different men he believed she was sleeping with.

[SPEAKER_04]: Among the names listed in the journals, one kept appearing over and over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's clarify something real quick.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just because your a man doesn't make it at journal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a diary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Burnt.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're a good diary with a little lock on it with a universal key.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it's got the little heart shaped entry for the for the lock.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any questions about the characters?

[SPEAKER_04]: Does everyone know probably what all the different characters in the story?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I'm following.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, if we're all following, then it's [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Rubin won't be able to get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the stories like fault for us not being able to fault just because they're not hot.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I got you.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I cannot get into it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: And don't worry about Rubin.

[SPEAKER_07]: We have neither of the time nor the crayons to explain that to him.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's not what he's here for.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the name that kept appearing over and over in Richard's diary was Bill Dawson.

[SPEAKER_04]: The entries about Bill showed that Richard had been aware of their affair for many years and that Richard himself had been the person behind the smear campaign against him in Janet, passing out the flyers and putting them all over everybody's car.

[SPEAKER_04]: Considering the fact that they were both so unhappy in the relationship, one would naturally wonder why they didn't get a divorce.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Richard's journals revealed that Janet had over one hundred thousand reasons to stay with her husband.

[SPEAKER_04]: Specifically, the large inheritance she had gotten from her mother's estate.

[SPEAKER_04]: Should she get a divorce, she would have had to split the money with her deplorable husband.

[SPEAKER_07]: And also now looking at it, I'm thinking that he had some other magic going on that would dissuade her from leaving.

[SPEAKER_07]: Because this guy was laying some magical pipe.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, she...

Why wouldn't she?

[SPEAKER_04]: Just go.

[SPEAKER_04]: And by the way, why would she have to...

Oh, she'd have to split it because she got the inheritance while they were married.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it would be it not guaranteed as as far as I can tell, but that would be up for grabs and courts.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like inheritance protection.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: There might be I.

Oh, is that why you put, I think that's why the people put stuff in trust so that like the new stick man husband can't take.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, so the good can't take over the good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for the good, of course.

[SPEAKER_07]: Further investigation of Richard's house didn't uncover any other evidence of wrongdoing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Jan's home on the other hand had the smoking gun.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hoping to reveal the source of the poisoning, police took food containers, coffee cans, and makeup from her house.

[SPEAKER_07]: The coffee and food showed no traces of chemicals, but her makeup did.

[SPEAKER_07]: When tested, her mascara revealed trace amounts of salineum.

[SPEAKER_07]: and is selenium not found in mascara normally like not normally because it's more of a like dietary supplement or you use it in metallurgy and things like that no reason for it to be in anything that you're putting on your face yeah it's not like that with the Egyptians or anything which also soft core history had a great episode about that very recently [SPEAKER_07]: of what?

[SPEAKER_07]: About the history of makeup and how the ancient Egyptians were like literally smearing lead all over their faces.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sweet.

[SPEAKER_07]: Fucking lunatics.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.

[SPEAKER_07]: As stated earlier, trace amounts of selenium or harmless.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, if ingested on a regular basis, these trace amounts add up to a potentially lethal doses.

[SPEAKER_07]: Every time Janet put on her makeup, her body absorbed a small amount of selenium.

[SPEAKER_07]: Over time, the chemical built up in her body, causing the rashes, sores, and nausea she had been experiencing.

[SPEAKER_07]: From the timeline of Ron explained it, illness, investigators knew that she had been getting dust with selenium for over two years.

[SPEAKER_04]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, her friends were just like, she just got so sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: She needed a can't like out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: A cane kept going to the doctor.

[SPEAKER_04]: No one could like tell her what was wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: It mimics like old age kind of makes you just like an old lady like all the sudden.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it causes like some kind of misfiring with the neurons in your nervous system also so that that also contributed to her difficulty walking is it almost it mimics So really wasn't killing her though.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was just making her more and more unattractive I know [SPEAKER_07]: So, from the timeline, everyone explained illness investigators knew she'd been getting dosed for over two years.

[SPEAKER_07]: As the investigation war on, police came up with a theory of how Janet had died.

[SPEAKER_07]: They believed that Richard had been secretly putting Selenian in her cosmetics, hoping to eventually kill her.

[SPEAKER_07]: When that didn't work fast enough, on the day she was taking her son to spend the day with the man she was having an affair with that fucking or Bill Dawson.

[SPEAKER_07]: Richard decided to speed up the process.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hold McDonald's.

[SPEAKER_04]: He looked like her anyone listening.

[SPEAKER_04]: He looks like literal old McDonald's.

[SPEAKER_04]: That he had so in that picture he had to have been dressed up for something right there's no one in the walks around every single day the only picture I don't know I have to I have to assume that he is Old McDonald and he has two yachts.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know Old McDonald had a farm and yeah, I oh my god, that thing was fucking yeah, and he had a belly on him go ahead [SPEAKER_07]: Before she could leave to go whale watching, Richard slipped cyanide into her coffee.

[SPEAKER_07]: This finally achieved the result that he had been trying to get for years.

[SPEAKER_04]: As we all know, the wheels of justice have a tendency to turn slowly.

[SPEAKER_04]: It took investigators nearly three years to build a strong enough case against Richard.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was finally arrested and charged with murder on October first, nineteen ninety one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, possible other title.

[SPEAKER_04]: So puked to death.

[SPEAKER_04]: Old McDonald's had a yacht.

[SPEAKER_04]: For Patreon, for Patreon.

[SPEAKER_04]: The wheels of justice have been so.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was finally arrested and charged with murder on October first, nineteen ninety one by that time.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had already gotten remarried.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stickman to a woman named Carol Townsend.

[SPEAKER_04]: Both Richard and his new wife Carol vehemently denied his involvement in Janet's death.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even Carol, knowing all the fact, knowing all the things, things he admitted with Dorothy still was like, no, I believe him.

[SPEAKER_07]: This guy has unimaginable game.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's insane.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard's trial began eight months after his arrest and was fraught with complications.

[SPEAKER_04]: Only three days into the trial Richard was wheeled out of the court on a gurney after complaining of chess pains and dizziness.

[SPEAKER_07]: by I growl do that to you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Selenium.

[SPEAKER_00]: He poisoned himself.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, dude.

[SPEAKER_04]: See, that would be sweet.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, see, it's just in everything.

[SPEAKER_07]: He overdosed on that lock and load, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Once the trial restarted a few months later, it only lasted sixty days before coming to a halt once again.

[SPEAKER_04]: This time the trial was stopped when Richard's lawyer was hospitalized due to clinical depression.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, melancholia.

[SPEAKER_04]: Delaying the trial, even further, it seems that Richard had a tendency of making the people around him sick.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've never heard of the case where a lawyer has been like, I can't do this anymore, man.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just way too bombed out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: This guy sucks.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone in this story isn't hot.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I can't fucking.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even get out of bed in the morning for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fact of me, right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was how sad it's.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably how Delco's feeling right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: The mental health of Richard's lawyer resulted in the adequacy of his defense being called into question.

[SPEAKER_04]: The unreliable defense along with the extensive delays in the trial resulted in a mistrial as the court believed that jurors' opinions on the case had been affected by the unusually long recess.

[SPEAKER_04]: After another pro-long delay, a new jury was sworn in and Richard's trial finally began.

[SPEAKER_07]: The prosecution built their case around the presence of Selenia and then Janet's makeup, the cyanide found in her organs, and the fact that Richard was already known to be capable of secretly poisoning a woman.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that should be enough.

[SPEAKER_07]: That, that, that opening shot case.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: It was also revealed that one of Richard's longtime friends just happened to be involved in a gold mining operation, which makes frequent use of both cyanide and Selenium in the metallurgy process.

[SPEAKER_07]: the prosecution alleged that this was the source of the chemicals Richard used to poison Janet.

[SPEAKER_07]: I had an uncle that, while two uncles that worked in gold mining up in Oregon.

[SPEAKER_00]: And paraus pectin up and there.

[SPEAKER_07]: There was a build Austin, maybe that's what he did.

[SPEAKER_07]: Honestly, both of them kind of looked like a build Austin.

[SPEAKER_07]: Pretty much everybody to every older man in my life looked a little bit like build Austin.

[SPEAKER_07]: They would tell me absolute fucking horror stories that scared me as a kid about the poisons that they worked with and the gold mines and how just inhaling a little bit of it instantly dead and like I would lose sleep over it and like what if I ever could expose to this stuff?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's probably how Richard got the idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was hanging out with his friend.

[SPEAKER_04]: He would go over to his house and like, you know, I think it was like he watched his dog or like whatever, but anyways, it was a good friend of his.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm sure he heard him say that exact thing and was like, I think it right because from what I can tell, any minor likes to talk a lot about how dangerous their job is, which it's not.

[SPEAKER_03]: and even just a little whiff to kill you.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, ugh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every like seven years, like some Chilean group will be stuck in the mines.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe a West Virginia group.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, happens, you know, once ever, you know, decade or so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Big fucking deal, man, get over it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They always get rescued though.

[SPEAKER_04]: And even if they don't, like, do you guys, like, are you guys sad about it?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cool miners, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It gets funnier the longer it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're just kind of like, it was like those soccer players, the Thai soccer players or whatever in the cave.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can laugh though because I know they're going to get out because they always get out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think the only miners that I feel bad for are the two gay coal miners that got caught up in a love triangle and ended up.

[SPEAKER_04]: So one of them gets true.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you're going through our back catalog, what did we name that coal miners?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'd love or.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think we named it something along the lines of like the patreon was mining for dudes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because it was a gay coal miner, but I think we named it like just coal-hearted.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one.

[SPEAKER_04]: The coal miners lover, or the coal miners, by freaking.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go back and you'll see it.

[SPEAKER_07]: With a means in a motive and opportunity established, the defense was facing an uphill battle.

[SPEAKER_07]: They relied primarily on attempting to convince the jury that the chemicals found in Jan's makeup and organs had occurred naturally.

[SPEAKER_07]: The defense argued that the amount of cyanide in Janet's system was too low to be lethal, and that in some specific cases, cyanide can develop in the body after death.

[SPEAKER_04]: which is true, but not at that level.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, not at that level.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was their position that Janet hadn't been poisoned.

[SPEAKER_07]: She had died of heart failure due to her poor health.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, look at it, Janet.

[SPEAKER_07]: She is just, I don't believe it.

[SPEAKER_07]: She's the picture in health.

[SPEAKER_04]: Believe it.

[SPEAKER_07]: She's a spring chicken.

[SPEAKER_07]: While it is in fact possible for Sinai to develop in the body after death, it is primarily due to prescription medications.

[SPEAKER_07]: Janet was only on one ulcer medication that could have possibly caused any Sinai to be present in her body.

[SPEAKER_07]: This argument fell flat in court due to it being disputed by the prosecution's expert witnesses.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now that only chance was to convince the jury that Richard was just too darn nice to kill anybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did they use like his journal trees and deleted files?

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, all of that was presented in court.

[SPEAKER_04]: The main argument was like a real real real smoking gun.

[SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's still surprisingly all circumstantial evidence is opposed to direct evidence.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: What are you going to say?

[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing?

[SPEAKER_04]: Keep it that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: When it came time for Richard to finally take the stand, his testimony primarily centered around his relationship with his ex-wife, Dorothy and his reaction to Janet's affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: He admitted that he had secretly put Selenium in Dorothy's food.

[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't a tempting murder.

[SPEAKER_04]: In his own words, it was just a neat joke.

[SPEAKER_07]: Joke literal direct quote.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was just a neat joke.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's a prank.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's what youtubers would call a prank.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a joke.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was pissed and so I just fucking poisoned her and made the skin on her feet fucking peel off.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, he was angry that she got the house in the divorce, but putting toxic chemicals in her food was just a funny goof and there's nothing funnier than a selenium poisoning.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard went on to admit that although he was upset about the affair, Janet was having with Bill, he was more concerned with her continually, continually failing health.

[SPEAKER_04]: This claim was directly disputed by Richard himself in his copious journal entries.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he took the stand, Richard?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think Dorothy, I actually think that was against the recommendation of his defense also.

[SPEAKER_04]: It always is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't ever do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, never.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just let your lawyer do all the talking for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you're innocent.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Dorothy testified against him, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, yes, she did.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Carolyn, I think what Carolyn didn't have anything really to say except for how horrible he was as a person.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was more concerned with her continually feeling health.

[SPEAKER_04]: This claim was directly disputed by Richard himself and his copious journal entries.

[SPEAKER_04]: While he publicly claimed that he was happy in his marriage, his journal was filled with [SPEAKER_04]: vitriolic statements about Janet and Bill.

[SPEAKER_04]: So even when the police questioned him, he was like, we were so happy, we were so in love.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what, you know, like this, I'm so sad.

[SPEAKER_04]: In the end, when the jury went in for deliberation, they cited with the prosecution, and it only took him six hours.

[SPEAKER_04]: Richard was found guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was sent to full some state prison in North California, Northern California, where he remained until his death in two thousand nine, which unfortunately was only, like, how long after I think he was only [SPEAKER_04]: in there for months or like a couple years.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for some.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was in there from the trial and everything had taken so long.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think he's been around like ten, ten to twelve years in prison overall.

[SPEAKER_04]: Really?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, he because his trial was in the early nineties and he was convicted.

[SPEAKER_07]: So he stayed there for probably.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think it like it drug out.

[SPEAKER_07]: It did.

[SPEAKER_07]: It drug out for a long time.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think that he was actually sentenced until like ninety five or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, really?

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so both he and his wife, Carol, Carol, stuck with him, maintained his innocence until the very end.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is this guy's fucking trick?

[SPEAKER_04]: He is because she's not with him.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not able to benefit.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got some kind of voodoo dick magic going on for him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just the charisma.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could also be like a Pavlovian response for his poison in these women when he's around them, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe addicted to the chemicals when he's around.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or if you're in his good grace as you don't get poisoned, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like when you're like, okay, if I'm good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, things are good between us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some healthy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: If it's go bad, I end up getting really, really sick either with Jing ten years in a week.

[SPEAKER_07]: It would be like a taken situation like human trafficking where they get them hooked on a drug and then they can't leave or else like Ducca was saying they're going to get super sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So both he and his wife Carol maintained his innocence until the very end, following his death, Carol told the press.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was a wonderful man.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was a brilliant man.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did not kill his wife.

[SPEAKER_04]: She died of natural causes.

[SPEAKER_04]: The prosecution was overly aggressive and put out a lot of innuendo and the defense swallowed it up.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, that's exactly why he got convicted.

[SPEAKER_04]: Carol.

[SPEAKER_04]: What?

[SPEAKER_04]: If you're looking at the timeline, Dorothy poisoned for Gibson.

[SPEAKER_04]: He goes on to marry Caroline while he's still married to Dorothy.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why he they cited not polygamy.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, that would be polygamy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so in the divorce, that's basically what she put, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, um, and what Caroline put when she got her marriage, an old once she found out about Dorothy.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which even that in another self, I thought in most states, polygamy's illegal.

[SPEAKER_07]: But you can, I didn't get arrested.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's the other one?

[SPEAKER_04]: Come on, Koop.

[SPEAKER_04]: You are, you're so smart.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sometime.

[SPEAKER_07]: Miss Andrew?

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Multiple wives.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shut.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, misogyny.

[SPEAKER_07]: With that, no, that's going on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, uh, uh.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna, you're gonna live with this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sit in the shame.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, mega dick is um.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think Richard definitely had that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um.

[SPEAKER_07]: Are you sure you're not thinking of Ms.

[SPEAKER_07]: Andrew?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bigamy.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bigamy is like the female version of polygamy.

[SPEAKER_04]: What?

[SPEAKER_07]: Isn't it?

[SPEAKER_04]: We're just doing this because we let's just a girl with a roster.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think that's what it is nowadays.

[SPEAKER_07]: Back in the good old days, it got your stoned.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bigamy is defined as the act of going through a marriage ceremony with one person while legally married to another.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like you're keeping both wives and they both know about each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bigamy is when you do it without them knowing and you have two actual marriage certificates at the same time.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's non-concentual polygamy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, and you were wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, what?

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, she cited Bigamy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to go through the timeline to button everything up, and then I got, um, got distracted by it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They find out about each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: Carolyn gets annulled because they haven't been married that long.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dorothy gets divorced both citing big of me.

[SPEAKER_04]: While he's getting, while he's separating from Carolyn, he marries Janet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Kills her ass with fucking slow poisoning and right after that, marries [SPEAKER_04]: Carol, Townsend.

[SPEAKER_07]: And was it, yeah, Townsend.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hutchison was the first one.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the one that stayed with him till the very end.

[SPEAKER_04]: But these are like he was never without a woman writing for him with him, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: On him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And what he's annoying and being an all-around piece of shit to all of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dorothy forgiving him after he tried to poison her and she took the milk to the police and is like smell this and they're like, oh, your husband's trying to kill you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Her being like, all right, it's cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: He just needs therapy.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's Dorothy's the problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Not being like, yeah, I'm pressing charges.

[SPEAKER_04]: What if I didn't fucking have you smell this milk?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'd be fucking dead.

[SPEAKER_04]: That that to me just absolutely does not make any sense because Because you thought it's beard It doesn't make sense you would feel that way because he's by full ninks because no no no more hot None of them are hot and most importantly him [SPEAKER_07]: That had to have been it.

[SPEAKER_07]: He was making good money.

[SPEAKER_07]: He had allegedly an interesting job.

[SPEAKER_07]: So none of them felt like they could do any.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, apparently Janet felt like she could do better with.

[SPEAKER_00]: With relationships, you need to clean break.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let bygones be bygones.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you try to kill you, so what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Just let it go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be better.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't go to therapy and just sort of I don't know get over.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't mean be chill girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: She was the ultimate like chill.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the end result did she did Dorothy think that, you know, he's going to go and get therapy and he's going to come back and we're going to have a good relationship.

[SPEAKER_07]: Something like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, I think she didn't want the disruption of her husband, you know, getting arrested.

[SPEAKER_04]: That trial would have happened then.

[SPEAKER_04]: She had kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: She had, you know, she's just like, dude, just get out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, don't, don't do it again.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: She probably just didn't let him back in the house, checked all of her shit after he left.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but it was dumb either way.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like that she called when she heard about his wife that basically was pretty much right after her.

[SPEAKER_04]: We sure he did it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting because there are some people with the evidence that don't actually believe that there's enough [SPEAKER_04]: hard evidence.

[SPEAKER_00]: What if Ronald McDonald knew about this man's past and just saw a way out.

[SPEAKER_04]: But like, but she would meet him and like, fuck him in the truck and stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not trying to kill her, is he?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got two yachts.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hold my God.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, he's not gonna be.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't love, I don't love Belle.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't love Bill's whole fucking shit, either.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, that type of guy.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you saw his picture.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's definitely a playboy.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, nowadays he'd be the type of guy out in Miami.

[SPEAKER_07]: He'd probably dress the same way.

[SPEAKER_07]: Multiple yards.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bring him with like, twenty on the payroll models.

[SPEAKER_04]: And just like surfing like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: All of the pictures that they have together, all the selfies look like American Gothic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was the Dandel's Aryan of his time.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's who, again, and there's not a lot on Bill because he was cleared very quickly and was not a huge part of this insane timeline.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I'd like to know a little bit more about Bill and how he on the school board as a job has a money for a pitchfork and real denim overalls.

[SPEAKER_04]: And two motherfuckin' yachts, which you ought to take out with my girlfriend today.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think Bill Kilder.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, because I ask him questions.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't like how he was cleared so quickly when it was a slow scene to be a slow poisoning.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, Bill didn't speak up about the affair for a little while.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like he didn't admit to the police about the affair for a little while until after the murder investigation was in full swing.

[SPEAKER_07]: And he said specifically, he didn't want to mess up his marriage.

[SPEAKER_07]: He also said he didn't want to screw up his job, but he can't be making that much money from the job.

[SPEAKER_07]: Didn't want to screw up his marriage.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think his wife's one of the Kennedy's.

[SPEAKER_03]: The wife has super rich families.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's no way in hell he's making enough money for two yachts, working as part of the school board.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And part time is like, hey, I don't what do you do with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Part time show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just we have questions.

[SPEAKER_04]: We just have questions about Bill from Bill Dawson from Dawson's Creek because he's the only one in the story that had a lot that was very involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I sure got syndicated, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: That's where the money is coming up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got you.

[SPEAKER_07]: He's getting those Dawson Creek.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, so sadly, we didn't get to see a long prison sentence for old, uh, old Richard, old Dick Overton.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he did get to die in prison, which I always think is the saddest, like worse thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: When people get mad about life in prison as opposed to death penalty, when I tell you the death in prison is always going to be so much worse, so much more sad, painful, all of that.

[SPEAKER_07]: A prison hospice in particular, a regular hospice is already depressed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Which I told you, go watch into the abyss.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a vana-ha-sag vehicle, but it shows that like, hey, don't be so mad about somebody getting life in prison.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so they have like some kind of life in there.

[SPEAKER_04]: When it comes to the end, there is nothing like harder to watch more depressing.

[SPEAKER_04]: You actually start feeling bad for these horrible murderers.

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