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Scot I must say we do have quite a bit to be thankful for as we gather here this night before Thanksgiving.

A very relevant discussion will be had tonight that I can assure you of friends.

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It makes my night that we can gather here and discuss these subjects with you for a couple of hours, the subjects that are somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.

Of course, we are going to have David Dubainan back on the program, very knowledgeable when it comes to food cycles about everything that's going on with the food situation, because food is on many people's minds this night before Thanksgiving.

Food has become such an integral part of the celebration, of course, throughout the years, as with many American holidays that are celebrated, food is a very, very big deal, and primarily it's a turkey that we enjoy.

Those who do not enjoy the meat can't enjoy the meat.

I'm not exactly sure what they eat, but to each their own.

And we just hope that you have food on the table this Thanksgiving, because it has been in doubt for many many people over the past few weeks.

And quite a bit of money, as you might expect, is spent on filling our Thanksgiving table with food and our bellies.

One hundred and seventy five dollars per household according to a new pull and that is just the food, not to say the beverages, which on average one hundred and ten dollars per household.

Some are much highigher so much lower.

But really it was in doubt.

People were thankful, I guess for what they had had in the past, but worried that they may not have much in the future, And of course we're talking about the government shutdown which affected food stamps otherwise known as SNAP Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

And also from what I understand, those who get cash in which to spend on food.

Some just get funds that they can only spend on food, and then there are restrictions on what you can buy with that.

Others get cash and can also buy that on food and use that for food, and maybe there aren't as many restrictions.

Sometimes families need that because they've got to buy baby formula and other things that you couldn't buy with food stamps.

Now there has been once in my life that I have needed this and it didn't offer me actually much assistance.

I think I made ten dollars too much.

So I cannot speak from personal experience, but I know that there's those who rely on this.

It is a lifeline.

Without it, they would starve or they would have to leave their home and go to a food bank or to a shelter on a nightly basis.

And so this really relied on the politicians to get their act together and to get on the same page.

And it took several weeks, well over a month.

A month and a half or so until there was an agreement, and so the funds were restored.

Actually, the state of Oregon for the most part paid out their funds even before the shutdown ended, because I'm not exactly sure how, but access was secured to those funds and it was said that they would not be going back and taking away money from those who they had paid out.

So my state was somehow going to bat I guess for the residents here and protecting their funds so people could just a few days delayed, still get food.

So that's what I with The impact was as far as I understand it here in my state, but it was different in other places, and not everybody got their funds back right away because there's a period of dispersal.

Not everybody gets them on the same day, so sometimes you may have to even though funds have been restored, you may have to wait another week or beyond to wait because they don't disperse it all at once.

But in addition to the legislation that reopened the government, there was also legislation that included provisions that would actually have an impact on food safety, which is another big thing, especially around Thanksgiving time.

Be careful how you cook stuff and who you allow to cook stuff and what methods they are using.

We don't want anybody getting any of these food born illnesses and having to take a trip to the bathroom or the hospital or some other worse place than that.

But this provisions.

These provisions would temporarily prevent states from setting their own rules for which foods can be labeled healthy, and also pause the implementation of new liesteria regulations for low risk ready to eat foods.

Yeah, who wants some lyesteria with your meal?

Meanwhile, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

Kennedy's new dietary guidelines are expected to be released next month that will end the quote war on saturated fats and also stress the importance of protein.

We've also seen companies like Cheetos and Doritos and Pepsi remove the artificial dyes from their products.

So I mean it sounds like both of those things are good things, removing saturated fats and artificial dyes from our diet, especially if they have adverse health effects.

But here's one that will turn your stomach.

Actually, in Canada, mutant meat may soon enter Canadian grocery stores.

Apparently it can be sold the products will soon well, they've been allowed to be sold, but now there's a change in policy, so these products can soon be sold without mandatory safety reviews or labeling, and that may be coming to a store near you up in Canada.

So forget about pre market safety assessments and disclosure.

They do not have to tell you whether or not this is real or fake meat.

Consider that, especially if you are buying a meat for Thanksgiving or Christmas or any other celebration, or just as a part of a regular diet.

So with the access being shut off to millions during this government shutdown, it was a pretty stark reminder of how quickly a situation like this could get out of control.

I mean, talk about something that just went on a couple of weeks.

If this goes on much longer, and there should be a revolt, people saying give me food, and give me food now, they may go to places and can emit acts, criminal acts, violent acts against others who have food, breaking into homes, breaking into pantries, storage facilities, robbing drivers.

I mean, the list goes on and on.

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Param wants to discuss tonight.

Perhaps you're doing final preparations, getting ready to a stuff the bird put it in the oven.

Whatever the case happens to be, whatever your job is, I usually like doing the mashed potatoes.

That's just my kind of thing.

But anyway, everybody's got a role to play in this.

Unless you're somebody who just is invited over for Thanksgiving dinner and you don't have to do much, you don't even have to bring anything, well, then you come out ahead in the whole situation.

But whether whatever the case happens to be a timely program that we'll discuss tonight.

Glad to have back on David Dubaine if you've not heard him before.

He has a studied food cycles throughout history and how they affect food production.

The host of the Adapt twenty three channel, also the Civilization Cycle podcast, and author of Climate Revolution, The Grand Solar Minimum.

Very timely that we should have him on.

David, welcome back.

Appreciate you having me back on, especially just before Thanksgiving in this time where everybody celebrates food and harvest.

You know, through history we always celebrate the whole world celebrated, at least in the northern hemisphere this time of the year because food was coming in, it was abundant.

They could see how much food they had to take them through the winter, and this is a very special time for humanity.

We just take food for granted right now, but it shouldn't be.

And people didn't know two weeks ago, even maybe a week ago, whether or not they were going to have food on the table for Thanksgiving or where they were going to go to get food.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, I don't know if that was just to bring light to the abuses in the fraud and the waste and also make everybody reapply for EBT benefits and then really shake out the shysters for a better term and get them back on more healthy foods, and you know, cutting a lot of what was available purchased before, like these junk foods and highly processed foods.

And was it a wake up call for those paying attention that the things you guaranteed supermarkets to have your food might not be now.

Perhaps they were targeting a segment of the population to say, hey, it's not as stable as you think it would be.

But those with eyes and ears to hear might take that as a more general message.

Maybe your supermarket just won't have everything all the time.

Maybe that's the message also moving into twenty twenty six.

So I mean, what's your read then on the shutdown?

There was some agenda to behind it, or it could have been a test for something that you know, much larger, much more prolonged, that could come at a later time.

Well, I think it's a soft messaging.

Is that digital ID is here for everybody that you're the abuser of the EBT system guaranteed, we got to put digital IDs in to stop those fraudsters.

And most people will go, yeah, applaud that we need digital ideas for that.

But at the same time, if we do come to some sort of low food production time where there would a war would do it.

It doesn't have to be jet streams going out of their flows and you know our precipitation patterns disturbed and our crop yields globally down ten or twenty percent of a year.

What if there was a war and that would bring us back to let me hear the bell ding ding ding dying.

World War two fiftionados of history rationing.

But this time they're not going to give you a little paper cupon book with your ration for two pounds of butter with your stamp.

It's going to be all digital.

And is this what they were trying to get as a larger messaging A your food and night might not be a stable at the point where we freely can go in and purchase if we have funds, but moving through.

You're gonna need IDs and it might be tightly controlled.

That's kind of some of the messaging, at least on the wider scope they were trying to broadcast out because they never start everything the same exact day to get people into a new system.

It's too much of a shock.

I mean, COVID, it was it, It did it.

People were forced trained so quickly.

But since COVID had run its course and they trained everybody on instantly, how to you know, move all after move right, stand in line, do this, jump back six feet, it would be much more easy to implement a digital rationing card or some sort of food rationing or this type of stipend system because people just stand in line again so quickly and be like, okay.

I just need to eat.

That's the thing.

People will do anything to feed their families.

You saw those insane videos saying we're going to rob your food out in the supermarket parking lot if we can't go in and buy it.

My family needs to eat.

And that was such like a wake up call right there too, that people will do anything to feed their families, anything.

Robbing people as they come out of the store with their goods, as they leave a food bank, as they're just trying to enjoy a holiday with their family because maybe they were fortunate to, you know, come upon the means to do so.

And here's someone desperate hanging out in the parking lot.

Who's going to take advantage of the situation.

That is a scary thought.

That's just history in itself.

We are so blessed and so thankful to be in this period of quote unquote stability, like when you left your village before.

That's why people always traveled in bands of five six men with the couple of children or women.

They just couldn't go by themselves anywhere.

I mean, there were bandits routinely everywhere.

I mean, the chances of you not getting robbed were so low at that point that's why law and order, and that's why you locked up the house at nice.

People didn't go playing around in the evenings.

When you traveled from village to village, town to town back, I say as little as four hundred years ago, three hundred years ago, you took extreme caution.

The forest far larger, the animals were far more numerous, and the bandits were also in and out so fast.

Like banditry on the roads and the trails and the networks of that was a real thing, a real thing.

So at a friend Craig, who he served in some and he was telling me that they would establish zones, safe zones to go distribute food.

But as soon as the people that came in to procure the food, once they left, they couldn't patrol the roads where these people were going back to their villages, and they were pounced on pretty much all the time.

After they were about a quarter mile a half mile maybe sometimes a little more if they had line of site out.

But as soon as they got past that line of sight zone, they were.

Literally on their own.

And the bandits are everywhere out there trying to pick off their food that they just received from the US government donations whatever that was that even happens today, So would not happened here?

I mean, could it not happen here?

Well?

I mean, you think about it, this was only two weeks.

Imagine if it did scretch into things giving.

We certainly have many people who are still food insecure because maybe it took them a couple of weeks to get their snap benefits or whatever the case happens to be.

But people would resort to such desperate measures if they needed to.

Well, wouldn't you jeremy serious?

If you were starving to death, you had to get food or steal from somebody or your family and one of your family members going to die, you would you not go the same direction?

I mean, that's a that's a tough one, because the tough one I know it is for all of us.

Hear it please?

Morally, I mean, you're putting me up against the rock in a hard place.

But I appreciate it morally.

Morally, I couldn't know.

I couldn't bring myself to do it.

But we would have to be thinking in a different mindset, would we not?

We would I'm gonna have to push you against a rare earth rock right there by the way, and uh, yeah, but I would ask that question out there that really, how far and how hungry would you get?

Because through history, I'll tell you a story about World War two.

There was a girl that was working with the Allied forces after World War Two and during the bread rationing at this time in Germany.

Uh, people would bring in jewelry and diamond ring and gold, gold necklaces, anything just to trade for pieces of bread extra.

And she had this box that was probably about twice the size and the regular height of a cigar box.

And she called her her like, you know, a dirty secret box, or she had some name for it that didn't quite translate exactly into English.

But she never As she died and her she her kids had found this, she left the note with it.

She's like, I was so guilty.

I could never ever sell any of this jewelry, even if I needed the money, because the hardship those people went through to trade diamond rings and gold just to get a slice of bread.

She's like, I couldn't do it because the jewelry she got was over and above what the ration cards were.

So she was doing something illegal semi by taking extra jewelry to give away extra bread.

But she's like, these people needed that extra I knew their families, I knew the kids that were there.

They needed that bread and they you know, I mean think about this.

History is just yeah, go ahead.

No history is riddled with this.

It is the norm, not the exception.

And it's not just people who are on food stamps, as they say, on these snap benefits.

Once the supply chain is impeded and there's now a threat, anybody bringing in food may decide their lives are in danger doing so because it is so scarce.

We are thinking outside the food box, that is for certain.

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Food assistants, benefits could.

Run out for roughly forty million Americans.

Millions of Americans who rely on government assistance living in limbo.

It's very emotional when you don't know how you're going to feed yourself.

Compared to last year, overall grocery prices have risen nearly three percent.

Prices are up forty percent.

America's food supply it may.

Be at risk.

Another piece of legislation eliminates rules created to prevent food contaminations, food borne illness, and limit rules that regulate ultra processed foods.

We are on the precipice of a global food crisis, global food crisis crisis.

When the lights go down, the strange comes out into the pair of normal.

Well, in this case, you might go out at night, as they say, to fend for yourself.

In this situation where a food box has never it's in more well treated like gold, especially in today's climate.

Talking with David Dubain, hosted The Damn twenty thirty channel and The Civilization Cycle podcast, author of Climate Revolution, The Grand Solar Minimum.

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You get more information there.

But a damning thought as we went to the break, which was that, Okay, it's not just people hanging out at food banks who are looking for a handout.

Imagine that delivery drivers are now facing a threat to people hanging out outside their vehicle wanting the goods, maybe wanting to rob them for those goods.

This could get very dire, could be very dire quick, especially if it goes on three, four, five weeks or longer.

I hate to say, David, your thoughts.

Well, it depends on how long something like that.

That chaos that was created in ABT.

It was a message to everybody that something could go wrong.

So you know it did stop.

They partially funded, you know, next month in December first everybody will get their full benefits minus those who had to reapply because of the fraud.

But if it were too allowed to be going much longer, then we get into the Okay, the exercise is real because at some point they're going to require you to get a digital ID to access food.

Now you were talking about just banditry on the road Venezuela.

If you go back, say three years or so, they had some real difficulty with currency and people were robbing chickens on the highways.

Literally, they would stop a truck.

You know, you've ever seen one of those going down our highways.

They got chickens in small plastic cages.

They're stacked up, probably a couple thousand in the truck.

But they were just stopping people on highways.

And you know when they did, like hundreds and hundreds, multiple hundreds of people just like literally came out of the woodwork, ripped the tarps off and just started pulling those chickens out of the cages, just leaving everywhere.

They're like it was one of the most insane things I've ever seen, and I was thinking, they're not really even starving at the point of you know what we've read about in World War Two with different sieges like Lineningrad and stylin Grad, these types of you know where they were actually eating the wallpaper paste off the back of their wallpaper to stay alive and trading recipes on how to boil leather belts at the time, like that's the kind of desperation that went to we don't have that luxury anymore.

We can't even eat the paste off of our wallpaper because it's so chemical these days.

But you know, the point being, if you're in the messaging is food is going to get well strangered again.

So I would say grow your own, learn how to garden, learn how to work with others, know where your farmers are, because when it comes down to it, a food is really that difficult to procure.

The only one that's going to save yourself is yourself.

And your famili's maintaining gardens to continue to be able to eat and also trade your extra for something else you're not growing.

And it's been like that again through history.

We are just in this such lovely, amazing time where we have supply chains now at the point where it's nearly just in time first time in human history for say twelve thousand years since the Younger Driest impact.

And you know, if that were to disintegrate, then we're going to.

Go back to a pioneering lifestyle.

And the pioneers grew most of that stuff and they traded what they couldn't grow themselves.

So the barter system, basically.

It was and it wasn't so much about a thing for a thing.

It was a skill for one hour traded for a skill for another hour.

So yeah, you got to think about also your skill sets.

What would you be able to trade for a skill set for somebody in terms of getting a physical good or the other way around.

Does not always have to be a thing for a thing.

It could be knowledge for an actual physical item.

Paying it forward.

Your work could then say, if you were growing food, feed x amount of people and then you are rewarded with a little bit of food for you, your efforts and on and on.

Could be with the community gardens.

Then if they understand how to save seed and then separate that seed, then suddenly what you were growing just to eat becomes a value product in itself, you know, so with the overage of whatever is produced, and then they're going to be working from one community to another community, maybe not just your neighbor, but you know the other segments of neighborhoods that are overproducing as well.

And this is how this current system we have today evolved out of.

After we had better stability, more law and order, and then through the late eighteen hundreds, all those towns along the railways and newly established roads which were horse carts and you know, horse tracks before those people started to trade amongst each other on a more frequent basis.

And then it's just why don't we set up a factory here, and then we'll do it on a you know, on a centralized level, and then.

We'll distribute out.

But just before we hit that factory production level, we were at the point where if we would have stayed there, pretty much every thing could have been handled.

Except for some high text and you know this sort of thing.

But forty percent of all vegetable all food produced in America forty percent four zero that we ate during the World War two was produced at the home garden level.

So you got to look at realize that HM forty percent, that's quite the large number.

That would alleviate a lot of stress.

And where's my food coming from?

If we were producing forty percent of everything we ate today in America in local gardens, community gardens.

I mean, it's a different way to think about the trajectory we're going.

I hate the way the government just says your food's in jeopardy, but they give us no training.

They give these people to the EBT, to food stamps, but they.

Don't give them any training on even how to grow lettuce, the simplest thing ever to grow.

They don't teach them how to grow micro greens or do anything with a hand to seed.

You can buy those beans at anyplace, black eyed peas.

You get them for like a dollar for a pound.

You can grow a heap of microgreens out of that and they're super tasty.

That not even the most basic training on what you can get in a supermarket and sprouted out and turned it into micro greens for nutritious foods.

That's not even they're not even giving that base.

You could give it to them in a pamphlet and if somebody wanted to do training for neighborhoods.

Perhaps you have to do the training before you can get the reup on the cards.

But none of this is you just got to rely on the system.

Rely on the system.

Yeah, I mean, how have we come to get to this point of forty two million people in the US twenty two million households and you know, no disrespect to those who rely on this, but but how have we come to you know, the point we are?

Well, I have to think it's part schooling system.

Uh, the way that you.

Know, if you're older, if you're going to say fifty years or older, then you understood a completely different world of work ethic and what was the respected expected of you of just for like the base operation of how you had to exist in our world is very very different than it is today.

If people just don't want to work, I don't want to work, well that was unacceptable when I was growing up.

You just did.

You could not even say that.

People would look at you like you got purple heads, and they would scream you get to work, like there's none of this, Oh be kind and DEI and everybody equhile and look about their feelings.

Now that was like you, oh, you don't want to work.

You're crazy, you're going to work.

You know people would just that wasn't really a thought to tell people I'm too lazy, I don't want to work.

You go to work for me because you're paying taxes, and your taxes are going to feed me and my kids.

Like that was kind of that was unacceptable.

Gotta pause.

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H I mean, personally, I don't like to see anybody be without.

I don't want anybody to be starving.

It does break my heart.

I've been in line over the past couple of weeks because you know, I have to get goods too, coming to the store and seeing individuals not being able to pay for their goods.

I don't wish that on anybody, but it is the state that we are on.

And so a situation where I mean, say the internet is down and you can't access those funds.

The power is out, so the stores can't open, you can't buy the goods.

The system is a shutdown because of a government shutdown.

There's no funding for it.

I mean, the list goes on and on and now panic starts to set in when the first of the month comes.

People get their their food and benefits and they can go to the store and purchase those items, feed the themselves in their families, and especially with holidays coming up.

Yeah, it's just not a good position for anybody to be in.

But we're trying to get you to think outside the box tonight.

Not everybody can be self sufficient.

There are many who rely on this, and we've been talking about it with David to Baying tonight.

So this could have been a test for a much larger situation here, whether this was orchestrated or not, to see how the public responds.

In many cases, communities were stepping forward, so while people on food stamps weren't able to go to the store and buy food.

And by the way, we were seeing less meat available, not because people were buying it.

Stores were just not purchasing as much because customers weren't coming in and buy that because many of them did so.

On food stamps.

So there was a ripple effect to this.

And then you talk about community organizations and people who are well off stepping forward to feed the needy and donating.

They would then use those resources by going to the store and purchasing items that may have they made it not of ordinarily purchased, but doing it for somebody who was in need.

So a different cycle of food.

And you've studied these food cycles, David, So your thoughts on the impact of the food cycles just based on the shutdown itself, Well.

You call that corporate welfare where some of these companies' bottom lines have been hit because unbeknownst to me, until I started to do a few videos and do some research on all of this, I didn't realize a company like Walmart and Target, Amazon, through Whole Foods, Kroger are some of the largest recipients of EBT purchase.

So that in itself funnels money into certain corporations where most of these people would then go in and buy.

And I didn't know that you could buy online.

You could get lobster online delivered from my Whole Foods because it was EBT eligible.

And I'm looking at this going wait a second, You're allowed to get all of this and you can order online and.

Get it delivered to your home.

That's just far over you know, your way over the range on that one where it was acceptable verse that stuff.

Delivered your house.

I can't even do that.

You know, I'm not paying somebody to come up to my house and give that extra money for them to go shop around the storm pick up my cart full of stuff and bring it up.

That's insane.

And you could do that on EBT though, And you know they kind of lost the plot on that.

You know what, what's it?

You know, before the break you were talking about what's acceptable, and I was just going backtrap for a second in my day and age, that was unacceptable for you to say I don't want to work.

It is acceptable now, And I'm wondering, uh, moving forward then?

Where or do as it go?

It's kind of like a sine wave.

You know, we're at the top there it's unacceptable, and now we're at the bottom of the wave where it's, oh, it's totally acceptable, you can do.

And then I'm wondering where it moves from here.

Because something the visuals or the visualization or the awareness caused most of that system to break.

So the old system as it was a few weeks ago or a few months ago is a humpty dumpty.

It's not going to come back in its exact same form again.

You could maybe super glosen pieces together.

But there are going to be so many changes with the program.

It alerted so many people to the abuse and fraud.

Now there's just so many more people looking around and you know the things you can't buy.

So if you can't buy potato chips and sodas and just sort of heavily processed food, then take me down the corporate ladder who's producing a lot of that.

Who's the main producer of that type of food?

General Mills?

You know, you got to go through a few of these, and will their shareholders be hit because the EBT recipients aren't allowed to buy that type of food anymore because they were or percentage of that type of purchase of ultra processed foods.

Now, if that you know, leg of the whole food pyramid gets knocked over, then how do corporate earnings get hit because the government's not subsidizing that, but they're still subsidizing you know, fresh food vegs, bake at home things from Walmart, get a pound of flour or whatever.

They don't even give cooking classes to the people that receive benefits.

I know, if you're going to get it and you're hungry, you should be buying in bulks you can prepare at home.

You should be preparing home cooked meals.

Where you know you buy a pound of this, a pound of that, you can make several meals out of it, not get one microwaved dinner that costs three times as much.

Like there's got There's massive shifts to the system going on, and I.

Just don't know how.

The recipients are going to be able to respond to that and adjust to it.

But I think we're also just being soft set up to accept different ways for us to access food in the general public, even if you can afford it or not.

I see that your direction going everybody, But he's talking digital ID.

They're curtailing what we can and how we can move around the planet.

They're starting carbon credits for the amount of input into your food, Like in the UK they put how many kilograms of carbon on the packaging now on the product, Like they had a sandwich nice like ham sandwhich it was eight kilograms And they're like, your whole allotment for a whole day is one hundred right, so you bought almost ten percent of your full allotment in the future of one hundred kg per day.

Of CO two that one sand which was eight kilograms.

So they're starting to mark this up and we're getting into the system here of why is it going to be so tightly controlled?

Is my question.

I know we could see the end result, we see where it's going, but why is it going to be so tightly controlled?

That is my main number one question.

What is the event that is going to happen that it's going to cause so much disruption that food is going to be that controlled.

We're not there yet, but we're creeping quickly toward it.

But why why do we need that much controller for food?

Yeah?

And what would that actually look like?

I mean, would it be armed guards at some of these locations, like say the National Guard or something like that, you know, checking cards?

I mean you've talked about, you know, food rationing and ID cards for many years now.

Yeah, Well, how far did it go out of control?

That was in the news for everybody to see around different supermarkets, walmarts, targets, this sort of thing just generally in the United States during that time, with thousands of those videos coming out encouraging others to go steal and flash mob at certain stores at certain times, you know, was that was that a psychological test to see how many people would really go to that level even though their benefits just went down for a two week period, to see what to what the participan patient rate might have been, and then they could gauge that out as some sort of you know, sociological experiment.

Okay, if we let it run for three weeks, that'll reach this percent.

If we're let it go for a full month, it'll it'll reach this based on what their data flow was from that two week event and the number of videos and the number of people and arrests and that sort of there has to be some sort of ratio with that.

They learned a lot from this, and not only that, but the people who would stand up, like the regular law abiding citizen, Like how many of them actually had altercations in the store, Like, bro.

You're not leaving with that?

You got to put that back.

A lot of store employees had that, a lot of just regular people that I've seen some videos had interaction in that same level there.

So again, it's all information that be gleaned about how much of the law abiding citizen population would stand up, how much of the thuggery population would continue their nefariousness and theft and that sort of thing, and just the general participation rate on both sides of that in this event, even though it didn't go as far as it could, it just went on.

That's like just barely dip the toe in the water.

I mean, how much information could you glean from that alone before any real event occurred.

It was just the thought of the event occurring.

And now the event has occurred and hopefully more minds are open to this.

David, what's your website?

How can folks follow you as we head to our break.

Here Civilizationcycle dot com.

So we mentioned moving over to the website for this podcast, So Civilizationcycle dot com.

That's the Civilization Cycle podcast right there.

You can get our show notes for every Thursday night when we run our live show as well.

And uh again, it's just it's the player in there and then a way for people to communicate.

What are the solutions?

Is the kind of where we're going at?

What are these solutions?

We have all these problems we're talking about, but what are the solutions that we can implement so we can stay outside the system and being grabbed by the tentacles of this system For at least a little bit longer.

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Amongst the vote to reopen the government back on the twelfth was some legislation that also affected food safety.

Folks may not be aware about that.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

David?

In your opinion, Well, it depends whose industry you're talking about.

Because they turned any hemp and CBD products illegal again, they put that back on the Schedule one list.

But they had built up an industry for you know, ten plus years, allowing people to get into that entire new product line for a better term.

It interfered with some industries as.

It always did.

You know that what movie, you know, Reformatus back in nineteen thirties, because so many people were producing hemp oil for their cars and burning and creating their own motor oils and the building materials from the time as well, interfering with a lot of different products.

So the things they always slide in when you have these votes here is kind of a little ridiculous on the spending bills because they should be disassociated with that, they should be voted on one by one.

But the us DA and the you know, these different kind of agencies that are supposed to, you know, help us.

In the Food Safety and the FDA.

There's so many toxic and poisonous products out there that should have never ever gone through anywhere.

A lot of them banned in Europe but still allowed in the United States.

So these agencies that say they're protecting you, I just I don't get it.

You know, there's so many toxins they allow in the food supply.

And you know, I wanted to talk about America's largest meat supply closing.

Vast beef.

Beef processing plants are closing as well.

This is the one of the largest in America, Tyson.

I'm sure everybody's heard of that they're closing their number one largest plant in Lexicon, Nebraska, and they're citing that livestock is the lowest since the nineteen fifties.

But again on the very fine print.

What they try to do is say, well, if we can't have the cattle and livestock that you're used to in the traditional like cowboys sense of getting it out on the range and grazing it and bringing it into or put them in the feed lots whenever, you know, however they do it.

They now want to go to bioengineered meat, which means they take the blood from the animal, from one animal, and they put it in petri dishes and then they grow that cell culture back into a muscle or something resembling a muscle.

So you have to think about the way they're looking at it, is the amount of space to grow one cow, to continuously pull blood from to then create all these bioengineered meats is supposedly much more efficient than having let's say a million cattle out in our Midwest grow belts that are being fed from the corn there and traditionally that area all up and down Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, this whole area down into Texas is a cattle It's a cattle belt.

Right.

They're saying, oh, it's done so much damage and environmentally we need to go now.

And they're not milking cows in the traditional sense of milk.

They're milking cows for their plasma and red blood to then put in megafactories on peatrie dishes to grow and not peachri did, but they have industrial size.

Lab grow facilities.

Now, this is the direction they want to take it, So shutting down and then how safe do you think that?

Is?

Never been tested on, you know, twenty thirty year human trials or anything.

It says that, well, it came from an animal, still part of an animal, we'll eat it like an animal.

And that meat glue too, should be good stuff.

This is the direction they want to take us.

And that was snuck in that bill too, along with knocking the knees out of all the hemp growers out there, so you know, they got two for one on that at least in this go around.

So I don't know if you would agree or disagree anybody out there listening about the FDA really trying to protect you and the USDA in there really trying to make sure that all the meats that you get are pure and clean because the things they're allowed to put in them and their life cycle from you know, well, first born as a calf all the way standing on the weight scale at the end there, it's actually franken food and atrocious that they would even let that go out to be consumed by a human.

But I digress, Jeremy, right, is I want to go too far on that?

Yeah?

Yeah, what is Canada doing?

Because I mean it does seem like they're pushing us towards the synthetic route, synthetic meat, synthetic produce of the kind.

They are.

Well, that's not just us.

It seems to be a global phenomenon.

Put this down.

And here's another thing too.

You know, looking back in history, if you go backtually, I'll even go like eight thousand years back, not on the way twelve thousand because we didn't have really established societies, but five thousand years will come somewhere around that era, you know the class You know, if you think of Egyptians and Sumerians and Hittites and Babylonians.

Okay, that plus a little bit far back.

If you come all the way and stretch from history from that point all the way until today, never in human history have all countries united under one umbrella and moved like a school of fish with the same protocols.

The same laws and that same movement to a certain direction except for COVID and now again on the digital ID and the lab grown foods along with the carbon credit rationing agendas that are coming in.

So those are all kind of wrapped into a triple helix.

There only twice in human history as that happened, And you have to ask again, what is it about the food that they need to do.

They know there's some sort of massive event.

I wouldn't say a commentary impact that's going to wipe out, you know, all the flora and fauna on the northern half of our world or the southern half of the world, but something that would be of such large proportion that there literally won't be large animals grazing any longer because of either a volcanic eruption that blocks out the skies and a year without a summer globally, or some kind of massive event towards that direction that we're going to have to grow everything in labs.

We're gonna have to do everything in factories, and it's all going to be from the It's really going to be from a quote unquote base animal source.

But everything from this point forward, including your fish, that's all lab grown.

Now chicken their lab growing any kind of chicken products.

That's what McNuggets are using now, lab grown.

And then we got Campbell's soup coming out and they're saying they're all using, you know, bioengineered meats and their soups and GMO.

Fillers and all these things.

It's just strange how the entire planet's gravitating that way as well, all of a tract, all of it traced, and all of it not natural at least in my opinion.

I really don't think bioengineered food with food glues and meat glues and stuff is natural.

I would consider that, hey, because it came from a genetically modified source of food stuff anyway to begin with.

So you're already tinkered with nature by changing at least something in there on its natural genome.

So that doesn't even that's why they can patent it.

It's no longer that same plant that just grew wild that they couldn't patent.

You know, they tinker around in there, change a couple of DNA sequences.

Gene over here, gene over there.

Oh, it's a new plant.

We can patent it.

Now you need to buy the seed from us controlling the farmers.

And you know, if I might say one more thing, has anybody been following this story here off of AGUEB.

Well, actually all the agricultural journals were picking it up.

There was a multi state grain depot and what they would do is one of the largest ones out of Omaha, Nebraska.

It's called Hansen Mueller.

They filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy.

Well, what there is a grain size I low operators that stretch across six states.

In the middle of our grain belt.

So let's say you have a thousand acres as a farmer, You'll take that corner the soy bean in there.

They will bill it up for you.

You'll deposit that grain in there, and then the checks will be cut some period of time after that delivery has been made because the rail car is just rock.

You have to tell us what's happening to that when we come back David Dubine with.

Us into the pair of normal pair of.

Food is on a lot of people's minds right about now we're talking about it with David Dubine.

What were you saying about the grain situation.

Well, in addition to the cattle herds being the lowest in fifty years and taking that over to bio engineered, lab grown protein sources of beef.

Hanson Mueller the nation's one of the nation's largest grain merchandisers.

Miller's processors, grain storage facilities.

They filed for Chapter.

Eleven, and there are about one hundred thousand farmers.

Now, you know, if you're on a small landholder fifty or one hundred acres, you're not going to be too hurt.

But when you're coming out and you're at one thousand acres or two thousand acres, they have some almost three thousand farmers that have more than a thousand acres that have put grain into this whole company system where they take.

Your grains in, they weigh it, and then after it is sold, and then the bill of sale comes back from their end buyer, then they pay the farmers out.

It's been like this forever revolving door of credit.

But these farmers are not going to be able to pay back.

There's no way they can get this money.

They've already deposited their grain.

So all the money for maturation planting, I'm seeing, you know, upkeep pesticides, all the machinery, upkeep, all that's been spent, but there's going to be no payback from all that grain that came in because they did a Chapter eleven on that.

So currently there's at least five hundred million dollars that should have been paid to farmers that is not going to be And you might go, WHOA, that's crazy Louisiana, Mississippi, Kansas, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska.

But this is the second time it's happened.

So two of the top three in America have gone Chapter eleven that are holding everybody's grains that grew through the year are not going to be getting paid.

So do the knock back on that.

And who's there to scoop up their land?

They're not going to be.

Who they're going to confiscate their farm equipment because they're they're going to get behind on their other payments for that.

You know, you start to look at there's some serious cracks in the food system right now in this one here Hanson, Mueller, h A N S C N hyphen m U L yeah, m U E L L E R.

These grain processors are I think the hidden link that might take down the system because when the farmers can't get paid, they can't pay their other suppliers in turn for the fuel for like I say, the fertilizers, for the different herbicides and pesticides, and you know that maintenance on the tractors and the equipment, and their hands, the farm hands.

They can't pay any of that, So.

Then those that would receive payment can't pay those and it just keeps stepping down and further further back it goes.

And it's the second one this year to have that happen too.

So what's happening with our farms?

I don't see Trump talking about this, assuring us that our farmers are going to get paid for our grain.

Silo operators going Chapter eleven on two of the three largest in America.

This is a big problem people are not talking about.

Or what if the farmer takes a bailout, say from the government or from some wealthy individual or organization to just get out of the farming business, and then you replace that farm with one of these synthetic operations and.

There you go, or a data center if they have the water print it.

Yeah, well, a lot of these.

Excuse me, Jeremy didn't just need to talk over there, but a lot of these large farms anything two thousand to five thousand, ten thousand acre farms.

They all have their own water rights on it, So the amount of water coming out of there, depending on the flow on the rivers or what they're pulling from the aquifers or in conjunction of boat, that would definitely be enough to satiate some of the data center's needs.

So I'm looking at it as if they wipe out the farmers, you have these vast tracks of open land already graded flat.

They don't need to spend any money on that, very close access to a lot of these have power plants built close to it because they need operations for dehydrating.

And it's just powers already there.

Water's already there, graded land is already there by the hundreds of thousands of acres.

And what do we keep hearing again about data center?

Data center?

They need this.

They use the same resources as humans.

They need electric, they need water, and they need land.

And who's going to buy that if all these farmers are put out of business?

You fill in the blank formingtill gates.

I don't know, I don't know.

I'm just I don't have the answer, But somebody at that level black Rock, Blackstone whoever it might be that comes in there on that large acquisition of land purchase is then going to take that maybe divvy some offer a neighborhood or something like this, or a factory, and then they're going to pull in a data center if they get the right water, if the correct water rights on that at the at the acre feet or the QB meter flow that they need.

Right, Okay, So Canada is what moving forward with this mutant meat?

Right?

Yes?

And they don't even have to tell the consumer that they are mutant meeting it for a better term, They don't have to inform the consumer that this is in the food supply.

And I thought that was a travesty myself, because you go into a story, you might think that you know something is in there that looks pure and healthy, and with the stake cloks because if they can get the coloring right and the marbling right, you're be like, damn, that's a damn looking good piece of meat.

But it's all artificial at that point, and there's no labeling or required as have yet.

Maybe people will put.

Up big enough stink where they'll make them required to do that, but as far as I've seen it, so far, nothing.

Could artificial meat excel certain illnesses, say like cancer or other illnesses as there.

I mean it maybe speculation because you know, synthetic meat isn't largely on the market and there hasn't been testing done.

But you know, if they're putting bad stuff into it and there's been testing on that bad stuff, then maybe there's a correlation.

Yeah, they haven't done any human testing long enough because even this technology for what we consider the newest bioprinting that we have for bioengineered meats, has not been around long enough to do any real human tests on it.

But withsterior rats, I would encourage everybody out there, if you have the time to take a look at wisterio rats health implications eating bioin engineered meats, and then you could, you know, go a little granule like bioengineered chicken, bioengineered beef.

You know, but at so far, at those lab studies, as far as it's gone for safety, and again I would not even trust the FDA to step forward with the billion dollars in lobbying and how the revolving door goes from the FDA over onto a corporate board seat and then back again.

Or you know, once they revolve through that industry, they're put into corporate positions and then they have those ears, eyes and contact and rollodex back into the FDA.

And it doesn't seem that anything ever is removed from the market or not approved unless it really has some benefit for humanity.

So I'm looking at the hemp thing going all right, hemp is very beneficial for sleep, and I'll just leave it at that.

We won't go into anything deep here, but I want, you know, keep it on the goods Family Friendly program.

Everybody.

We're just going to talk about sleep.

But you know, number one thing around the world is people not being able to sleep correctly.

Sleep's disrupted.

Everybody's got problems with sleep.

But CBD seems.

To have a very smooth, non addictive way of putting people and allowing them very deep, RESTful sleep.

And you know, again and again to stories by the millions of people using CBD to go to sleep and using that for a sleep aid, and they're like, man, I have the best sleep I ever had.

I'm really feeling more rejuvenated, my body's feeling healthier because I'm having better, deeper sleep, you know, And then suddenly that's they're taking that completely off the market and making it illegal.

So anybody that has.

Bottles of that right now or some caplets this time next year, that'll be classified as a Schedule one again, and you will absolutely go to prison if you were to be found with this benign sleep product that it was legal the year before.

So something's very wrong with what's considered safe, and we're trying to protect the American people.

It's not it's corporate interest only in my opinion, you know, it's just my opinion on this.

And so.

When the executive of Campbell's Soup says, look, we're feeding people, sh I t this is printed, you know, with a printer.

I don't know.

Should we take that, should we believe that, or should we believe what Campbell's is saying, which is that no, this is totally real stuff.

Then it was a rogue vice president.

So I got the newest one here.

Just before we got on the show.

This was released, and just a few hours ago Campbell's fires executive secretly recorded saying that it's soups are full of bio engineered meats.

So I'm looking at it as damage control because think of this.

Now they're telling people mocking you.

We're giving you GM ingredients that possibly could interfere with your gut and your lining in your stomach and you know, get that whole leaky gut syndrome.

LUs.

We're giving you bioengineered meats which haven't been tested on humans efficiently enough, and good luck.

It's like it's like.

Well, it sounds like a home cooked Thanksgiving meals what we all need right about now?

Keep the GMOs out of it, David Devine on into the pair of normal.

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Some of your favorite foods, maybe of those a serious health.

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Who eat it for poor people.

How would you like to eat last grown meat?

Meat from cloned animals will soon be hitting grocery store shelves, and new hell Candida regulations will all require meat producers to label whether the beat or pork is coming from a cloned animal.

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Maybe not a conversation you want to have around the dinner table at Thanksgiving, but certainly a conversation you might want to have with those you love at one point or another.

Our guest tonight on into the Pair of Normal is David Dubine of the Civilization Cycle podcast.

So how long before liab grown turkeys are on our Thanksgiving dinner plate?

And would we even know?

Or maybe it's a Turduccan.

I don't know.

They're already there.

And if you invite me for Thanksgiving dinner anybody, that's going to be an interesting dinner, I guarantee you I'll get into it with the relatives, have those conversations.

And you know that part that you had there talking about cloned meat, that is such a false statement that they're telling you there cloned means like Dolly the sheep, where you get one, you clone it and here comes another one.

Right, that's what you're getting in your mind.

They're going to take it all the way to maturation.

From a cell, all the way through the pregnancy, and then bring it up to a full animal again and then you're going to get your meat.

It's not like that they're using the blood in plasma from that one animal to clone it.

Literally in dishes with a substrate of a protein grown substrate, right, and that's how they get the meat.

It is not cloned.

I mean, I guess in the loosest possible sense of cloning something.

On a cellular level.

They are cloning cells, but they're not cloning an animal.

They're cloning the cells.

And that's why I'm saying it's so much more efficient.

You could probably get a million times the amount of beef off of one animal by running it through the bioengineered rout and using the blood to clone that to create a protein lab grown dish.

Source.

Yeah, you know, scales of efficiency.

May you know, I'll be generous one hundred thousand times.

That's what they're looking at.

They're going to try to gaslight you the whole way of what this thing is.

So words are very important in this argument here, incredibly important.

They've already set us up as a clone, as a one equals one from the parent specie.

It is not.

We're at the cellular level.

And please understand that they're using the blood to grow a new, uh you know, set of muscle in a dish that is then glued together with other pieces and then takes the shape of a steak and then it's wrapped in plastic, sprayed with pink slime, and then put out into the supermarket for you to eat.

Incredibly different.

So again, you know this kind of conversation around that Thanksgiving table, somebody would be like, Dave in here a little munch, but give them another glass of Pino gresio.

He's a.

Or a sleeping pill, one of the two.

Yeah, right, keep in the turkey.

That's why everybody gets sleepy.

And Jeremy, they are they already have they already have bioengineered turkey.

They have pretty much every type of.

Bioengineered meats that are sort of the larger mainstream meats, not like quail or anything yet, but in the turkeys, chicken, that sort of thing.

Takes so dang long to thiw out and cook.

I don't know.

We get our hams so, for example, I buy live animals from the Amish and then we take them to an Amish butcher and we get everything done.

Like when we freeze our hams.

They're about fifteen pounds each, but they take a good day and a half or longer to dethaw just enough for us to get it in the oven warm it up, so then we can get into it with.

The knife there.

Once that thing's frozen, you're looking at, you know, a good fifteen pounds solid frozen one, a solid twenty.

Four hours or a little longer, even more than.

To untaw that because I made the same mistake a couple of years ago.

We got the Amish, you know, we got our hog butchered up, and I had this beautiful ham and it was smoked up in there in their chimneys, and it was wow, you know, handmade hands smoked hams from the Amish.

But I had frozen in.

I took it up, and I thought, oh, okay, twelve hours will be enough, and it surely wasn't.

It was only it was still really rock hard in the middle.

So if you're gonna unthaw that, give it a full twenty four to thirty six hours.

And I don't know why it takes so long to get in and dethaw the center of that thing.

I don't know.

Any other Thanksgiving a cooking tips or recipes you'd like to share with the audience.

We mention elderberry syrup.

We got about six elderberry bushes out in our front yard and we mixed and created this incredibly health tonic coffer leaving syrup out of just elderberries.

So notice your wild foraging is a good thing to understand as well.

There's a lot of wild forgeables out there that you can turn into different types of syrups and jellies right now because service bearries are out everywhere here too.

These like bright pink berries not very tasty on their own, but they can turn into some incredible jams.

So if you're looking for something dynamite to bring to a Thanksgiving dinner, like hand pick service berries or handpick you know whatever kind of wild blueberries and turn it into a jam and bring it by, people will be blown away.

A you could do it by hand, but b that it came from a natural source that wasn't grown using the traditional pesticide, herbicide, fungicide root and the taste is also just completely different off a naturally raised product than it is off a store bought you know, since when I wouldn't say it's this acaic, but just that full supply chain of depleted soils to grow it.

So if you're looking for something like that, pick your own, make your own gifted as your own.

Yeah, so, David, sustainable living, growing our own food.

You certainly have maybe mastered this, but certainly you know what you're talking about when it comes to this, because this is kind of how you live.

So how do you would you say, we start growing, which allows us then to you know, be less reliant on the stuff that they're sending through the food supply chain.

I'm not a master.

You could live for five hundred years and still not be a master of understanding nature.

It's complex.

I've made probably ten times more mistakes than I have successes.

But I look at it as ten different ways not to do that same thing until I get it right.

Finally, So if you're going to come at it from that, oh I got it wrong, this thing will never work.

The mind frame is going to be the very first most important thing you have to understand.

The best in the world, they all make mistakes when they're gardening.

Nature is finicky.

You have to know where.

So if you have a house, like where's your light going to be in the morning, the afternoon, in the evening, like what are your soils?

Like?

You have to bring soil in?

Do you need to get some composts in there?

And you want to get some early successes.

So do something that's real easy to grow, like the lettuces, you know things like that.

It's almost no Yeah, you put seeds in, it's gonna come up.

You know, kales, that sort of thing, super easy to grow.

Core lobby, these kind of really heavy, dense, thick greens that grow in these winter months or the fall months.

But then again, like micro greening, early easy win for you.

If you just learn how to soak the seeds and rinse them every day a couple times a day, you're gonna watch them crack open and after six seven days you're gonna have these long green shoots coming out that are so delicious.

I highly suggest black eyed peas.

Those are the ones that are white with that little black dot on the top of the bean.

Those are incredibly delicious.

Uh, they grow fast.

Again, it's a there's some beans that are real difficult to sprout out to get them into microgreens or whatever, but those black eyed peas, a kindergartener could do it.

It's an early win.

And once you can get those early winds, you can build the confidence on being able to go to another step of something else a little bit more complex.

I mean I'm going to live with the rest of my life trying to work a little more complex and complex.

You know, you never stop learning, But the basic is where's the sunlight.

Your mind's got to be in the right frame that I make mistakes, I can correct it.

We'll do something better next time.

And then again, the right kind of seed choice is in the very beginning to know that you can do it, because when you see it come up, you're like, damn, I did that.

Look at all that food, Look at all that salad that's there.

Wow.

And then from that point your mind just blows wide open to WOA, if I could do it, Let's do the next thing.

And then you get real kind of excited to continue to expand.

And as soon as you get that, you're going to be excited to tell people.

And I guarantee you you're going to find at least one other person that does it, and then that conversation can start, and then you can start comparing information and maybe even helping each other, because two hands can get way more done than one pair of hands.

It's a very fulfilling, filling, isn't it.

David.

It's kind of like you can what is this saying?

About teaching someone to fish.

Yeah, teach them to grow some food, Teach them to garden, same thing.

Yeah, more to come.

We'll wrap it up with David do buy in the night before Thanksgiving, talking food, thinking outside the box, the food box tonight.

I'm Jeremy Scott's.

I'm Jeremy Scott, somewhere between the paranormal and the abnormal.

We hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving, that you are with those that you love, or at least love for the moment, and that everybody is a fed and that nobody goes hungry this Thanksgiving.

That is our wish to all.

And that there's not a lab grown turkey or turduccan or ham or any other form of synthetic meat on your Thanksgiving table, that is our wish.

Talking with David do Buine tonight, We've got about ten minutes or so left in the program.

David, anything else you'd like to discuss with the audience, Well.

Yeah, thanks for having me on tonight, and I get to share some ideas with you all here now.

The food is the most important thing in our world.

Literally, without food, we don't even have any society or any civilization.

And if you go back through the past and you go back several thousand years, you'll find that when you can see the rise and fall of civilizations, and it was based on the amount of.

Available food that they had.

Because if we're in a warm, abundant time for food production, there's extra calories, and those extra calories allow people to live more easy lives and they have the time to solve problems and create.

And this is you know, these abundance periits.

But then we come into the dark ages periods when food production is very minimal.

It's always the weather patterns are off.

They just can't get quite the right amount of yield coming out, so that the populations decline, and also there's a stagnation of all parts of anything mathematics, science, invention, writing, or anything that you can think of in a modern day.

That's you know, when people have extra time they can create and then that abundance that comes out of that in the new ways to think about.

But in a food lean time, you're just back in just covering the basis for the basics to stay alive.

There's no extra time to do all that fun stuff that the other.

Previous warm period.

People's had to explore with So if food is this important that governments go to war over it, governments try to control citizens.

Over it, it can be turned off or on at a moment's notice.

We saw how COVID went.

It should be a wake up call for most people, especially after this EBT incident, that you're going to be way, way, way more responsible for what you're going to be able to be.

Able to grow.

You're gonna have to take your own food sovereignty back, like we gain that away after World War two, and earlier in the program, I was saying forty percent of all the food consumed in America during World War two was grown in family gardens or community gardens across America.

They took that away from us.

They got us onto the supermarkets.

Oh that's old school, that's old stuff.

Your grandma did that.

Why would you grow your own food.

It's cheaper to buy it in the supermarket, easier, You got all this extra free time if you don't garden.

They really took us away from that in schooling and just you know, general society and messaging through popular media.

But why is that they wanted us separated from the food on a system that can be controlled because if they do, if it gets nasty and they say, well you need to do this now to get your digital.

Rationing card, are you going to do it?

If you're not quite in that whole system of one hundred percent dependency on a certain way to get your foods, you're going to have.

A lot more leeway and movements around these problems versus being stuck in one single line because you only have one single choice because that's all you know, and you have no option B because you never explored it.

You want one hundred percent down the drinking the kool aid root with everything is going to be just hunky dory down in these supply chains forever.

And we saw that broke and how quickly people freaked out when it happened during COVID.

Now it seems that we're coming into another period of disruption being broadcast in advance by a lot of the media, a lot of governments talking about it now, and they're really trying to get us on this digital rationing card or slash digital IDs, in addition to switching us over into digital currencies because a digital currency can be tracked and Tesco in the UK they're putting food buy limits right now, and even if you go to a different story, you're in their system.

They want let you buy it.

But on a greater sense, the government could give everybody a certain number of digital tokens there, whatever they might be called in each country, and once you go through those, then your allotment for food purchases is over.

It's all on the same it's all in the blockchain, all in the system.

You won't be able to buy.

You won't have any black market tokens because they just won't exist, because they're somewhere issued and can be tracked the entire length of their lifetime.

So once we get into this, you're going to have to have the ID.

You're going to have to only be able to buy this, You're only allowed to buy that.

Then you'll understand the value of tonight's conversation and being a little more autonomous on your food growing and a little more self sufficient with your neighbors.

It'll allow you in a tremendous lot mon of lee way.

When people are lined up, schizophrenic, freaked out in the stores when they can't get their food, you might be just sitting back on all right, I'll let the chaos pass for a moment, because I have some stored foods.

I can still grow my own.

We can do microgreens in a pinch if we need to.

We've got the freezers, you know, pretty full.

We're good.

We can.

We can ride out the chaos for a minute, versus going I don't have any other option.

I need to get out there with those people.

I don't want to see you in that situation, so please prepare accordingly.

We're at that point.

I'm just saying we're at that point right now.

Things seem to be a little bit more distractive than they were even during the COVID years, So I guess I'll leave it with that.

Jeremy, we're in the ultimate distraction phase.

And what are they distracting us from?

Could be another whole show in itself of this distraction wave.

This interference pattern is everywhere on all media, on any segment of media that anybody consumes across the planet.

There's a once in a five year, once in a ten year story across every segment, even cat stories and dog stories and pet lovers.

There's those kind of once in a five or ten year stories to draw the intention to get you glued into that across those types of genre of media.

It's everywhere at one time, smothering and all encompassing.

But why and then they're all talking about the foods and the digital idea.

Ah huh.

I wonder if those two match up somehow well.

In a scenario that we've outlined, would we even be able to grow seeds?

Would seeds be available?

And if the answer to that is no, then that would mean the time is now to get those seeds and get them in the ground.

Yeah.

True, but that's that's one point.

But then you need to know how to harvest the seeds, and then you know, store those seeds for next year.

So you have seeds irregardless if you can buy them or not.

Nature's not going to obey the rules.

Nature's going to keep throwing seed down.

I don't care what you do.

It is going to drop them in some hont of seas.

Nature overproduces.

I kid, you know, we have so much stuff in our garden.

We really need to give it away to neighbors.

We can't eat at all.

It's impossible, it's too much.

Nature is so bountiful.

But if you let it come up to seed and you know how to save that seed, then you could trade it, then it becomes valuable.

If it's not available for sale, then you got something you literally can't buy.

Then what's that worth.

Seed storage is going to be a key skill to understand and master moving forward.

And so is sharing with your neighbor.

Loving your neighbor, maybe collaborating with your neighbor.

Oh absolutely not.

Only does it give you that feeling of wow, it was great, you know, to see their happiness and joy, but then at always comes back.

It's not that you're expecting it to come back, but you know, we got so many peppers.

This year is the best pepper year we ever had.

We grew like eight different types of sweet peppers, snacking peppers, and.

We give them away.

There's too many, and then you'd be surprised.

Some people say, hey, my neighbor or my you know, somebody came over and visited and they brought this from this country, and they'll come over and share and give us some.

It's always like that.

It's just a never ending, revolving loop.

And I really love that because something about sharing the food you grew with somebody else that's really very special and kind of missing in today's world.

Like I'll go back up to the city where my parents live, and I'll come in with a bunch of our eggs from the chickens or the peppers or whatever we grew the lettuces and thing, and people are just blown away, like, what that looks way better than anything we got in the store over here, you know.

And it really is.

And the seeds are still viable.

You could take any of the produce we bring up to anywhere and just cut the seeds out and then dry them and then grow them in your own garden.

But the comments we get every single time we bring produce up out of our own area here back up to the city again and again, Wow, that looks so much better than anything.

And they're talking about like Trader Joe's and Whole Foods and this kind of thing, and it looks even way better than that.

So, you know, I'm stoked on that.

But trading food and giving food away to people is just a gift because you've been so blessed that nature had provided for you such an abundance that you have extra that you can give away.

Oh, that is a.

Gift in itself right, that you've been provided that abundantly too, that you can then give it to somebody else.

There's nothing like that feeling to realize how blessed you are well.

And that's a perfect message for thanksgiving, David, be thankful for what we have and what we're able to give others.

So true.

You know again, you know, you go back in history and this is the very time where all these villages and all the people in the towns came together to collect everything at one time and share it amongst themselves and kind of fatten up for the cold lean years.

And they could take stock of what they had and.

How much they could either eat as much as they wanted or ration through the winter until they knew they could get up to the next planting period.

So this is a very special time in humanity through the last thousands of years as well to share with everybody around you of the bounty that was given to you through the earth itself.

All right, David, to your website and where can folks find your podcast?

Tell them about that.

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We run that at civilizationcycle dot com and put the show.

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Notes.

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That's really what's all about.

We're going to have to do this together, not a single person.

You're going to need others to help you with this.

So best of luck to everybody out.

There, to you and yours, and happy Thanksgiving.

And we'll talk to David again sometime, I'm sure in twenty twenty six.

From the cold Dirk Depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the realm about Pacific Northwest, I'm Jeremy Scott.

Good night and God bless