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Welcome to the new year.

Friends.

It's good to be back with you live tonight.

I love being live on the air across America, and we are graced with the opportunity to do so bigger and better in twenty twenty six, now approaching eleven twelve years of being on the air, and thanks to those of you listening wherever you listen, whether it's on fine radio stations across the country or it's on talkstream Live.

Number fifteen on the Power fifty list that's just been released, and of course that's on top of the number one podcast ranking on the Paranormal Radio app.

We really can't say thank you enough for those of you who make this program a part of your life in any capacity.

I like to tell you, you know, from time to time what's going on in my life.

I've been reading a book actually that I picked out from the library, and I have not finished it yet.

If you've heard me talk about how long it takes me to finish a book, it's it's quite pathetic, actually, But if you knew the reasons why, you would actually find in a miracle that I can finish any book let alone.

One that is a five hundred and ninety two pages Area fifty one and uncensored history of America's top secret military base.

Antie Jacobson the author, and we've given her the opportunity to come on the program, but she hasn't returned the request, so shame her for doing that.

I can give you a list a mile long of those who have just chosen not to reply to request to come on the program.

George Knapp, Nick Poelndimilton.

How the list goes on and on.

So if you're wondering why they're not on the program, they just don't return the emails.

But I digress.

This got me wondering, Well, I've always been fascinated by Area fifty one.

It was one of the first top secret locations that I had heard about, steeped in this mystery of UFOs and extra terrestrial life that we love to entertain, and so I was obviously reading this book getting into the history of the location much that much of it that I didn't know, and then I came across some interesting happenings.

So we immediately put together a show as quickly as we possibly could.

Now this location has been clouded in secrecy for decades, and it is just as mysterious now twenty twenty six as it was back then at the US Air Force as Nevada Test and Training Range, and it's used for large scale military exercises.

We know that, but we didn't know it back in nineteen forty seven, or even in the seventies or the eighties or the nineties.

It wasn't until the two thousands, in fact, that it was revealed.

But Area fifty one gay notoriety during the Cold War, when it was used to tech the Utwoe spyplane.

There's a lot about that in that book that I was referring to to a gather intelligence about the Soviet Union, is what it was used for.

But it's The site has also long been said to have housed UFO crash debris and perhaps extraterrestrial biological entities, and also that top secret research goes on at the facilities of which we have heard there are several people have reported all kinds of strange activity in the vicinity of Area fifty one as well, even off base, and so the intrigue regarding this, the thought that there could be extraterrestrial biological entities UFOs, whatever it is.

The intrigue in the mystery surrounding Era fifty one has obviously led some people over the years to try and get up close and personal with this site.

They've tried, mostly unsuccessfully, over the years to access it.

Remember the storm Area fifty one event in twenty nineteen and went viral.

Now, nobody actually stormed the base, thank goodness, but a few days prior there was a Dutch YouTuber and his friend who were arrested when they got too close to Area fifty one and made it about three miles into the Nevada National Security site before they were stopped by armed personnel heavily armed.

But there is one person who reportedly made it into Area fifty one anthropologist Jerry Freeman says, well, following the trail of the Pioneers in search of Gold in nineteen ninety six, he traveled through a part of Nevada restricted by the US Air Force, doing so at night and therefore avoiding security guards.

In so doing, He says he saw mysterious doorway open in midair in this dry lake bed near Papoose Lake that emitted a bright, bluish light before it closed up and disappeared.

Freeman says he also felt the ground shaking, which he believes was something being tested underground, or perhaps from Groom Lake.

And then there is perhaps the most viral of claims of all from a man named Bob Lazar, who claimed to be a physicist who worked for the government at S four, an underground facility near Area fifty one where reverse engineering was said to be done on alien spacecraft and extraterrestrial technology.

He has said that the US military not only recovered UFOs and took them there, but also manufactured their own aircraft using modified alien hardware.

It's a controversial figure, but interesting.

Bomb Blazar really doesn't care what your opinion is, unlike some of these cats out there who their reputation seems to depend on it whether you love them or you hate them.

If you follow them, they like you.

If you don't follow them, they despise you.

But what about the ones who just aren't there to change your mind?

You take it for what it's worth, and that's what bomb Blasar is.

So take it for what it's worth.

But I put it in the chapter of mysterious stuff that goes on at Area fifty one.

In fact, former President Bill Clinton obviously was interested about this and sent federal agents to Area fifty one to find those aliens.

This revelation came in twenty twenty two.

Clinton revealed that he and his former chief of Staff John Podesta, who was also an integral part in the UFO disclosure movement at the time, maybe still is.

Clinton said the Podesta loved science fiction.

Well, they sent a team to the classified military base during one of his terms.

What did they find?

Apparently nothing?

But would they really tell us if they did?

It has been a widely speculated though that the military uses the facility to test experimental aircraft, but the name Area fifty one in fact, was used internally by the CIA as far back as the nineteen fifties on maps for the U two program, but it was not spoken about publicly, only on late night radio.

Well the lockeed U two high altitude reconnaissance aircraft operated by the US Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency since the fifties, But of course it was all secret until twenty thirteen when the CIA officially declassified the existence of Area fifty one.

So everything that had been considered a conspiracy theory by that tinfoil hat crowd was actually true.

Yes, they admitted Area fifty one exists, but it was only a spy playing testing site.

None of that other stuff goes on there.

But why did it take sixty years?

That's or over sixty years?

That really is the question.

Could it be a cover story, And if that's the case, what are they really hiding Area fifty one secrets.

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I'm Jeremy Scott, I'm talking about Area fifty one, and we haven't actually gotten even to what's happened of late that is sparking fresh rumors of activity going on that the public is not supposed to know about.

I mean, if this is any indication, it took over sixty years from them to say it even existed, but it was only used for testing spyplanes like the U two.

Nothing else went on there.

If we believe that, we have to wonder why it took so long, and maybe are they not telling us the entire story.

So we have to consider other things like this Janet Airlines short Joint air Network for Employee Transportation JNT.

It's a fleet of aircraft.

It's not a conspiracy theory, by the way, maybe a conspiracy, but on a conspiracy theory, it actually exists.

It's a fleet of aircraft contracted contracted by the Air Force to transport contractors, Department of Defense staff, military personnel, and I don't know, maybe presidents those with a need to know from places as such as Las Vegas and California to secure facilities at the highly classified base.

It has been going on for at least fifty years that I know of.

Well, just before Christmas, a top secret Air Force jet landed at the base in the Nevada Desert.

Its path was recorded by flight tracking data departing Harry Reid International airport at about eight twenty five am and touchdown at Area fifty one seventeen minutes later.

So this seems like a flight that doesn't take very long point to point, and perhaps it could happen more often than we know.

What do we know about the Janet fleet?

While it was designed by Boeing, There are actually six planes and they have a single red stripe running from nose to tail.

White planes with a single red stripe, and Janet Airlines also has a dedicated terminal and parking area in Las Vegas.

Some say it's not even on a map because they don't want you to know about it, and all travel to and from is Area fifty one.

That is is done by jet.

You are not driving a vehicle there, and likely when you get there, you are then taken somewhere else.

If we believe Bob Lazar taken one place and then transported another place and it was blackened out and he didn't know.

Where he was.

There are six runways though at the facility, and this flight, which happened on December twenty second, was just one of six flights there over the past week, all of them departing around the same time each morning.

Okay, well, maybe they're just government contractors and that's where they work.

But what are they working on?

What are they doing?

Are they still working on spyplane sixty years later?

Are they reverse engineering alien craft as Bob Bazar said he was doing in the nineties or the eighties.

Well, we don't know exactly how often the flights are happening.

The fact is they are still happening.

They're released to three Air Force jets that made flights to the Nevada Desert on the same day last February, all three taking off from Harry Reid, about eighteen miles from Area fifty one.

There were also more than a dozen other flights that month that we know of the exact red it's not being disclosed, and maybe that's going to take another sixty years or so.

I will not be alive then, friends.

There's the also the UFO that crash, which is another story in and of itself, just outside base in September, just over three months ago.

It was literally covered up, literally and figuratively.

Here's what happened.

Reportedly, a large secret operation happened in the middle of the night and something went wrong in the air.

Something was heard on radio a security rather heard on radio locking down the base saying that they had an asset go down.

Later said it was an unmanned aircraft.

We learned it had military weapons, ammunition and equipment.

A researcher by the name of Yorg Arnu ran into armed patrol who were shutting down a road after he heard this on the radio, so then he backtracked to the main entrance of the base found it was also blocked off by sheriff deputies and military security.

There was also a military helicopter nearby with a basket attached as if to recover something, which goes back to what Jake Barber said in his recovery the whistleblower who talked on News Nation and talked about recovering an egg shaped object with a basket of sort.

Well, Arnew says he was turned away from the presumed crash site.

Security teams maintained their positions then for four days.

After they left, Arnew went back and found that heavy equipment had been used to plow a dirt road across a section of desert, so he followed it and found what he thought was the crack site.

After sharing it on the internet suspiciously as if he had been tracked.

More crews arrived, they covered the entire area with a thick layer of dirt.

A statement from Creech Air Force Base said that the unmanned aircraft was theirs, but this was more than a week later that they even said anything about the crash, which is not typical.

If there were an air force crash involving a plane anywhere and it was occupied by an individual, we would hear about it immediately.

This was unmanned.

They also said that there was tampering at the crash site.

Someone had scattered a sort of pieces from other craft and also a replica training bomb, and so at that point the FBI became involved in the investigation.

Arnew later found that what he had recorded was a staging area and that you just about two hundred or so yards away were telltale burn marks on Joshua trees that indicated this was where the object crashed.

Found pieces that had appeared to be planted there with others under the dirt.

And so the question is did the military give us a cover story, did they literally cover this up with dirt and scatter some other pieces in there as a distraction misdirection?

And what else have they covered up by the way, our New operates an Area fifty one website, Dreamland Resort, and had his homes raided by heavily armed federal agents in November of twenty twenty two.

Here they came kicking indoors at two of his homes in Nevada to serve search warrants.

And well, here we are more than three years later, and authorities will not say why they were there, what they were looking for, why they had to go to such lengths for somebody who may just be a little bit close to the truth.

I mean, does he have anything that is illegal?

It seems like no.

But they also shook down Bob Bluzar.

His business and home were rated in twenty seventeen.

So you've got this at least two cases of heavily armed personnel coming to those who have gotten too close to exposing the truth about what goes to Area fifty one.

It's as if this was done to intimidate them.

In the case of York are New and Bob Lazaar, what are they worried about and why haven't they found any evidence of criminal activity during these raids?

Well, more of an intimidation tactic than anything it seems to me Tonight Area fifty one secrets on into the pair of normal I'm Jeremy Scott.

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Normal, some eighty miles northwest of Las Vegas, lives the most talked about top secret military base in America, Area fifty one.

Area fifty one was set up to push military science and technology faster and further than any other nation.

Jan at forty three to ten and maintain one three thousand feet continue approach.

As lustart by the UAE man O Man Aircraft Ordy, and all of a sudden, yes, they get very serious locked on the base.

What happened back on September twenty third, on public land outside the boundary of Area fifty one is a textbook example of how crash retrievals work.

We discussed the subjects that defy explanation into the Pair of normal.

Thinking about those secrets out an Area fifty one tonight, and so honored that we should welcome to the program for the very first time.

Donald Schmidt, best selling investigative author in international lecture, former co director of the Center for UFO Studies, where he also served as Director of Special Investigations for ten years.

Presently, he's the lead investigator for the world famous International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, New Mexico.

He also teaches a course on Roswell and disclosure at Ubiquity University.

His first book, UFO Crash at Roswell, co authored with Kevin Randall, was made into a Golden Globe nominated movie Roswell.

He was also on set as an advisor for the television series of the same name.

His book Witness to Roswell, co authored with Thomas Carey, was the number one selling UFO book in the world for two straight years, and it is currently optioned for a feature film production.

He's now working on his eighteenth book, titled The Estate Versus Roswell.

Donald, Welcome to the program.

Pleasure to have you here.

Well, pleasure to be here, Jeremis, thank you for having me.

Absolutely I thought of you because I mean, for a time time people have thought that the Roswell wreckage went to Area fifty one.

You, along with Tom Carey, have spent a lot of time investigating the Roswell crash and the potential connection to Area fifty one.

So how did that begin for you?

Well, you talk about just my interest in Roswell.

Yeah, yeah, Well, at the time I was the newly promoted director of Special investigations at the Jalen Heineck Center for UFO Studies in Chicago, and I had the wonderful fortune of having served as a special investigator for the late doctor Jalen Heinick, who will go down in history as the four most authority on the very subject.

He had served for almost twenty years with the Air Force Project Blue Book as their chief scientific consultants, so he had direct access to the very reports that the Air Force was investigating on a Bright Patterson Air Force Base where it was located back during that tenure.

And in not only was my mentor my scientif director, but he was also a dear friend and as a result, I got to share a lot of inside information.

We got to exchange notes, and one of the things that he was intrigued with was the possibility of a crash retrieval incident.

Other Wards, did we somehow acquire technology well beyond our own present state of knowledge.

And little did I know that he was steering me towards Roswell, because as we would determine after he had passed away in nineteen eighty six, that he was privately secretly interviewing rosebl witnesses, compiling you know all these notes, and then with his bold handwriting at the very top, this needs to be investigated.

Well, I was a skeptic.

I was fully confident, and then, working with Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Randall, that we would make a single weekend jaunt down in New Mexico and be able to verify what the government still maintains after now almost eighty years.

We were wrong, Jeremy.

We were wrong because from every witnessed, whether military or civilian, deathbed confession sworn aff of David's video depositions, they all swear that Roswell was indeed the recovery of a craft and crew of unknown origin.

Well, then the obvious question becomes, you have the hardware in hand, it's beyond your comprehension.

Can you bridge that technology?

Can you reverse engineer it?

And as the military, as we both know, their main objective in every situation is how can we make it into a bigger stick my weapon?

How can we weaponize it?

And so this is a nineteen forty.

Seven, This is eight years before Area fifty one would even come into existence.

So back at that time, the previous as we might call Area fifty one was right.

Patterson Air Force base in Dayton, Ohio.

It was where the Foreign Technology Division was located.

And it's where whether it was of German technology, Japanese post World War Two, if they so much as got their hands on a Russian meg fighter, that's where it would go, where they would break it down, see what makes it work, and then what we could gleam as far as improving on our own technology.

So isn't it ironic that whatever was recovered in New Mexico at that time?

You can document all the way to press accounts from the Pentagon in Washington that the wreckage in Roswell went to Foreign Technology at right Field right Patterson in Dayton, Ohio.

So this is where this all originated, this very notion that they're trying to find the on button.

They're trying to see what, you know, enabled whatever to travel from point A to point B.

And then, unfortunately, as fate would have it, they dropped one into our lapse, so to speak.

But what have we been able to.

You were saying at Donald VT.

I mean what is now Area fifty one didn't come to be in existence until nineteen fifty five, eight years after Roswell, So the wreckage would have been taken thirteen hundred miles away to write Patterson.

Question is did any of that stuff eventually get moved back to what is Area fifty one out in the Nevada Desert.

We know that just.

By the very process of military technology that as I often point out that the government slash military doesn't manufacture so much as a single bullet, whether it's a plane, ship, helicopter, a tank, what have you.

It's all produced by the private sector.

Everything is then assimilated into the private sector.

And that would have been the case at Roswell.

It's one of the reasons that we've had first time witnesses who have described efforts at trying to understand the materials the wreckage, whether it was at Los Alamos, whether it was at Btel Institute, whether it was Hughes Aircraft, Bell Corporation, Rand Corporation, General Electric, all describing their attempts at you know, that breakthrough as far to the next stage, the next level.

And we were told by a number of high ranking officers at right pat that as soon as the nineteen eighties, the early nineteen eighties, they started to ship everything out.

Everything got moved out of right.

Path right, So it was there for a while, but then it got moved.

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So the timeline is, you know, the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven goes out to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, about thirteen hundred miles away.

Something happens to it.

Maybe it's stored, maybe it's worked on until the eighties or something, and then it is shipped out and Donald likely to multiple locations.

Exactly multiple locations, but even early on an attempt.

Oh, we lost Donald again.

All right?

Can we get him back?

All right?

We're working on that.

Maybe we should go to the phone.

I think that'll be a little bit more stable.

Sometimes gremlins get in the system.

Donald, are you back with us?

I am with you, okay, great, appreciate you sound good as well.

Okay, So I had mentioned the wreckage being taken to multiple locations, and you were about ready to respond to them, and that.

As they were making every effort to not only determine what the nature, what the origin of this craft, this wreckage, you know, these bodies suggested.

But then given it was the beginning the Cold War, and you know, they were they realized that the Soviets were you know, you know, making every effort to you know, create their own atomic bomb, which they wouldn't do for two more years as August of nineteen forty nine.

But nonetheless there were more Russian spies throughout that region, given that the first atomic bomb was detonated in New Mexico back in July nineteen forty five.

So it it was the ultimate concern on their part.

They had to win this race.

If there was any technology that could you know, be reverse engineered, and certainly what they were looking at, whoever should acquire that level of technology would rule the planet, would have you know, technology, would have weaponry, would have you know, airspeed, everything about it so advanced that no one else would be able to compete, because we essentially would be dealing with, you know, an intelligence much superior to our own in that regard, and especially if that's what they assessed, if that's what they concluded by what they were handling, what they were holding right in their hands, and then my god, it's not from here.

And if it's not from here, what can we do about this?

And how can we you know, essentially, you know, benefit from it, so to speak.

And as I mentioned earlier about the military, you know, they looked up the weaponize everything, so that would have been their utmost concern.

Keep the Russians, you know, in the dark, and see if we could get in the driver's seat and make this thing work, so to speak.

And we were talking about how in the early eighties, as we have been informed that as one of the officers at write Pat described to us that because that particular base is in the heart of Dayton, it's right there, and as he said, as he put it, we had a hell of a time bringing things in and we had a hell of a time shipping things out.

So it was decided that things needed to be moved to a much more secure, much more secret location.

And at that time, nobody was acknowledging anything about Groom Lake, about Mellis Air Force Base and for that matter, Area fifty one, and so it would seem to be based on what information has leaked out, some of the information from whistleblowers who have worked there, who have been part of special projects there, that that would have been one of the likely destinations.

Sounds like a big giant shell game, move it around and then try to find it worse than which a shell has the nun exactly exactly.

And I think that's another reason that in bouncing this material around not only from base to base, military facility facility, but also within the private sector, because the other thing, whereas I can submit you can submit a freedom of information request to any military base, but we can't do it to the private corporations.

I can go to Lockheed and say I want documentation pertaining this project or that project, they are exempt, Whereas that too would be part of that shell game.

You know, we don't know what you're talking about.

They can then plead plause but an eyeability and not know anything about what you're asking.

Should we assume that their research has evolved at Area fifty one throughout the years, and that they were doing stuff with spyplanes back in the day, but now they could or at some point they could have been working on extraterrestrial spacecraft from the Roswell crash and perhaps from other crashes as well well.

One of the things that the Roswel witnesses clearly describe is fiber optics, and that's what and it would be twenty three years before fiber optics were even developed.

They describe silken strands and material that you could hold a light up to one end and the light would emit become out the opposing end.

Well, that's fiber optics.

And so did it provide us as far as what that technology or that it speed up what we were already working on.

I guess unless you'd have specific a chain of events, who can prove one or the other.

But nonetheless, you mentioned like even our spy planes like the SR seventy one, the Blackbird, that goes back to the late fifties.

I mean, the very fact that that was faster than a bullet, that it could outrun anything, that it could fly right across you know, Russia and they couldn't touch it.

And that goes back to just ten years after Roswell.

Amazing, and that was our super spy plane for decades, nothing like.

It, so is I guess it's possible that this work could have happened in that short timeframe.

Or in conjunction that they were able to plug it in.

I too often have suggested that it's still a cover of ignorance that they have not been able to bridge the technology.

But one of the things that I've also in being a student of especially aviation, and I belong to the EAA in Osh Gosh.

I go each year and I go to the air show there, and I know when the the F thirty five's came in for the first time, and the way they are able to turn their nose up and then just bob on their thrusters, just sit there hovering and kick the afterburners in and the ground shakes beneath you and they shoot straight up like a rocket.

That technology is now twenty years old.

And because whenever you talk to these people and they say, whatever we see in the air today is already ten years old, and I think that's just unbelievable.

I mean, we talk about your technology that, as one put it, would make a James Bond movie pale in comparison.

And then if we remember what we would even ben Rich said as far as a Lockheed, that we have technology that could take us, that could take et home.

Now, is that just a harbinger of things yet to come?

Or again, are those that the secret the breakaway technology that in many respects is a is a result of what was recovered at Roswell and even thereafter other possible crash retrieval cases.

Are you familiar with the ua V crash out near Area fifty one that happened in September, Yes, yes, I'm wondering if you think that there's some textbook comparisons in how that crash was handled to other crashes, as far as a cover up, in this case a thick layer of dirt and the planting of some other yeah, in the misinformation, Yeah.

Yes, yes, And I think even Roswell the very fact that they would have established recovery retrieval teams, and we've been hearing that from everyone from David Grush to other potential whistleblowers or suggesting that they were part of recovery teams.

And as a result, given they were able to get away with explaining Roswell as a mere weather balloon with a radar reflector kite, and they got away with it that they weren't going to take a chance for the next time, say one of these comes down in the middle of a populated area, not the high desert of New Mexico, that there'd be no way that they could contain and keep people out.

And so I'll never forget.

For example, I was speaking with a colonel who was at Edwards in California, and he was talking about the time and SR seventy when a blackbird went down, and they explained it away as being as far as a republic airline commercial flight with no passengers, that it was just in between, you know, as far as airports.

But nonetheless that they used that, as you know, to sup thefuge to explain away what was something much more sensitive.

All right, So talking about UFO crashes and cover ups Area fifty one secrets tonight, Donald schmid Our guest, I'm Jeremy Scott.

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Interesting that there should be some comparisons to other famous and maybe not so famous or infamous UFO crash cases over history to the incident that took place just a few months ago just outside the base of A fifty one, a UAV unmanned aerial vehicle that we didn't learn about at least didn't get confirmation about for over a week.

And during that period we had heard that there were cleanup crews who had been brought in to do a job.

And then once researchers got winto this and came back to document it came back a second time at least another round another wave to literally cover this up.

We're talking with Donald Schmidt, who, along with Tom Carey, is author of UFO Secrets, Inside Right Patterson eyewitness Accounts from the Real Area fifty one and also witness to Roswell and masking the government's biggest, the biggest cover up.

And that was also a crash, very famous crash.

But you were talking about your conversation, I believe with the colonel at Edwards Air Force Base.

Please continue correct, there was another incident and we happened to be in New Mexico at the time, and it was when the F one seventeen the Stouth Fighters were actually headquartered.

They were stationed at Halman Field in Ala mcgirdle, New Mexico, about two hours southwest of Roswell.

And it was it was so funny in that one of the fighters went down just south of the base between al mcgirdle and Las Cruces, and the pilot in his jumpsuit, you know, he's hitch hiking back to the base.

I mean it was a family on vacation that actually drove him back to al mcgardel.

And when the story came out, it wasn't that it happened where it did, but that it almost crashed on top of like a kmart or a target store or something nearer the Texas New Mexico state line on the other side to the east of the state.

So they have a long history of just is it a case of it's something of a super sensitive is a project X aircraft or device or something, or is it the materials like in the case of a stealth We didn't want the materials at that time to fall into the hands of any opposition, any of our enemies at that time or is it something that's going to demonstrate that they're flying something even more superior, something that is oddly shaped, it defies conventional physics as we know it, for example.

And I think that's what the that's the wonderful thing about Roswell for when it happened, the skies were essentially pristine.

Both jet and rocket propulsion were in their infancy.

There were no satellites, there were no drones certainly, uh and basically it was planes and balloons that was it.

And so the alternative explanations where you know, you could count on a couple of fingers, now today it could be one hundred different things.

But it still comes back to are we dealing with new technology that has been sprung off of someone else's technology?

Has it something that's been reverse engineered.

Is it something that they're testing at Groom Lake at fifty one that within the confines of that area they can keep, you know, on a short leash.

But anytime there's a mishap and radar covering, you know, even commercially the fact that something has plummeted from the sky has crashed, there are witnesses from a distance that are able to observe clean up teams that come in, and I think in many respects because of Roswell, that the imagination goes wild that immediately people is it something beyond a normal aircraft?

Is it something possibly foreign or is it something alien?

Is it something that we have recovered, we're testing it.

And anything that's manufactured, if you can put it together, you can also take it apart, which means it can also fail, it can crash.

And if this had happened in restricted airspace instead of outside Area fifty one, we may not even know about it.

We wouldn't know about it, of course, not because up until well it's pretty much still standard procedure that it is restricted airspace flying over that region.

And as result, you're absolutely correct, Jeremy, that for all of the mishaps, if not for the fact that they do happen over civilian over private property, we would never hear about it.

We would never know about it.

Part of the military system.

They didn't try to say this one was a weather balloon as well.

Well, yeah, they wouldn't.

And I think that's the other wonderful thing that we've all grown up realizing that more times than not, whatever the government tells us we're closer to the truth by believing the opposite because they have a mission.

And again it's essentially you know, weapons and you know, national security and protected the sovereignty of our own airspace, our own territories, that type of thing.

And we civilians and especially people in the press that can expose certain things, especially when it comes to using people as guinea pigs.

But then you take the Chuck Jaegers and the New Armstrongs and the John Glenn's and all those who have done things for the first time, the Alan Shepherd's, you know first you know, ashmout over the planet and yeager to break the sound barrier.

They were all guinea pigs in that regard, but they also volunteered to do it, and so we still have to applaud these people.

We hope there were no fatalities involved, but nonetheless they're brave enough to you know, remain maintain that pioneer spirit and do things that no one has done before.

So what do you think we should make of these Janet Airlines flights out to Area fifty one that are still going on today.

Well, we know, in fact, we have talked to people that off because they will fly in and that was exactly the same thing.

I'm glad you brought that up.

That was exactly the same thing that was happening at right pat.

And we had General Arthur Exxon, who was a base commander there, who described it was how these officers would fly in on a regular basis in cities in their civilian clothes on a commercial flight and they would be bust out or they'd be brought out to the base and then they would change into their uniforms and they would take charge, they would do things, they would go off on assignments.

I'm annownst to the media.

I'm aknownst to anyone who was you know, eavesdropping and hoping to catch them, you know, doing something you know rather you know, secretive or sinister, that type of thing.

And we've heard for years, you know, people landing in Vegas and then with you know, buses for example, would blacked out windows or draped off windows, they of bubble ar, yes, yes, And I know even George Knapp at the radio station or the TV station there in talking about actually witnessing some of these vehicles at times and being even pursued by such vehicles, these black vehicles with a tinted glass that you have no idea who's inside.

More that intimidation, I suspect Donald spent with us into the pair of.

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Donald Schmidt with me here tonight, I'm Jeremy Scout.

We're talking about the secrets headed Area fifty one.

As far as that intimidation, maybe that is exactly what they plan to do in the case of rating a bomb.

Bazaar rating Yorg are new and others.

And as you were mentioning, I don't know if that was the men in black, but certainly almost sound alliant.

Well or just you know, government vehicles that are typically it's like I've been hearing in the last year, for example, the ranchers who live up in that general area where the craft exploded and then rained debris back in nineteen forty seven, the Rosala incident, and these white SUVs that are continuously parked throughout that area, that just park on top of a high ridge and just sit there for hours, and they're not only you know, annoyed, but they're getting spooked by it because it's like are they being set up for something?

In the future.

Sure are they being watched for no other reason?

Then, as you mentioned these you know, intimidation and so the government again has a long history of just how to rattle people and get them to submit, sell their property, move, what have you.

And it's certainly the case with you know, the military, and the fact that they so often will bring in civilians to work and they'll have their security clearances, but nonetheless they keep them, you know, and eyeshod they watch their every move they you know, they'll they'll hack, you know, they'll hack their computers, they'll wire their telephones, that type of thing, make sure that they don't say anything out of line.

But you mentioned Bob Blazarre, and I always compare Lazarre to like Edward Snowden and the idea that here was Snowden national Security Agency.

And as a whether you perceive him to be either a hero or even a trader, the very idea and who would have ever conceived in the past that an American whistle blower would have to flee to Russia of all places, for asylum.

And that's the problem I have, And not that Lazarre is lying or any of these whistle blowers, the point being that when you are truly trying to alert the public, you go to the media and you try to expose you know, shenanigans or malfeasans or something that the public should be aware of.

Why aren't they stopped unless they're doing exactly as they're either programmed or instructed to do.

They're like useful idiots.

They go out and they spread this information because again that's what the BS factor, so to speak, keeps the shell game going, as you call it earlier.

And so I would be much more supportive of the Bob Lazaars and the David Grushes if they first would go to an attorney, if they would go to the media and say, I want protection.

I will divulge this information, but you have to guarantee my safety the safety of my family.

Instead of just going to an author, going to a writer and say, hey, can you write my book, can you put this in your book?

How about a magazine, let's put this in a story.

That type of thing, to me, that just immediately smacks of a plant of a story of something that they want widely circulated and for what end?

And that to me, again, it does not is not what why would conceive to be a secret.

A secret is not kept for disclosure and people are not told, so they also have plausible deniability.

They can honestly say I don't know what you're talking about, and they'll be honest about it.

And so I believe, I'm willing to accept that Lazare was shown us some things, he was exposed of certain things, but then he was allowed to speak, which he's been doing now for thirty five years, and no one is stopping him right to me.

To me, that's the red flag.

So we can believe that there's probably still some top secret work going on at a area fifty one based.

Off oh, absolutely, this transportation back and forth.

Absolutely.

And then what's interesting is that you can't get anybody.

You will not get anyone at right path, either active or retired, who acknowledged that there are any sub levels, in other words, as Sputnik, and then with the ads avant see as far as of the satellite surveyance that they went underground.

All the bases went underground, we are told and even by the people.

If you know who Ben Hansen is, who was on Sci Fi Channel Factor Fake former FBI, we interviewed his dad who his grandfather confided before he died that he serviced the elevators that went down ten levels at right path.

In other words, there are ten bases ten levels beneath the surface.

I was the first civilian who was given a tour of Space command at Holloman Air Force Space thirty years ago.

That was three levels down, And of this day they deny there are any sub levels.

One can only imagine what area fifty one, how many levels?

I mean, we know what we see from the satellites, we know what even some of the area and distant as far as ground photography, you know, demonstrates, but just what is going on underground?

What is going on in those surrounding mountains, for example, we talk about like in Virginia as far as off of Washington, a whole city, a whole practice replica of Washington, d C.

And so we could speculate all we want.

But I think I harken back to when Kim Jong young in North Korea was rattling swords and he was actually threatening Guam, in Japan and even Hawaii.

And I call one of my contacts at the Pentagon, still got a desk there, Bullbert Colonel, and I said to him, you know, if we had to go into North Korea.

How long would it take?

And he went with nukes or without and I said, well, of course without without and he said a day and was like, such power yet, that we have such superior power, And for him it was just yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Can imagine what that's like today.

I know, I know because we're talking now ten years later.

So absolutely does it make us Does it make me confident?

Yes and no, because it's still a matter of who's in the in the driver's seat, who's calling the shots who, Because you can be an eight off Hitler and have the most superior military in the world as he did at that time, and a madman is still going to you know, to be your doom.

Yeah.

So it's an interesting I mean, what's what we really have to be careful Jeremy of now in the future.

And I would also think that area fifty want is also in the forefront of AI and that they can create any illusion technology, they can create any imagery, they can create any holographic they could you know, they could you know, create a flying saucer crash and make it look like it was a genuine article.

Yeah.

Yeah, Well, when you get absolutely and absolutely I love this line of questioning because it wasn't Roswell.

It was like, Okay, how does this connect to what's going on today and why we should be looking over our shoulders more and more because because is that person who we think is a human being?

Are they human?

And I don't mean alien?

I mean again, are we going to be eventually, you know, interfaced with more and more of this AI technology?

Donald, You've got another book that you're going to be coming out with.

Yes, the state versus Roswell, and I demonstrate from chapter the chapter all the violations of human rights and due process first Amendment, and then I have lawyers at the end of each chapter chiming in chapter and verse of how the government broke the law in covering this up and suppressing this.

This this big, biggest story of the millennium.

And I mean it's going to hit the skeptics in an area that unless they're you know, really up on the law and can demonstrate other similar events that necessitated the same type of response on the government.

I think this is going to be another slam dunk.

Well, if it's as any good as UFO secrets inside, right Patterson or witness to Roswell will make sure we get one of those and put it on the bookshelf here.

I appreciate that.

Thanks Jeremy Donald, it was a pleasure talking with you.

Well, sorry for the tech glitches and everything, but the phone works, that's the main thing.

And please, by all means, let's do it again.

You know sometimes old school's the best.

Well tell that those that are trying to reverse the engineer everything as far as we've been discussing, So happy New Year to you and all your listeners, and I look forward to the next time.

It was a pleasure.

That's Donald Schmidt with the Roswell Investigators along with Tom Carey.

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Since the late nineteen forties, Americans have been fascinated by a mysterious region in Nevada known as Area fifty one.

This stuff really happened.

They have been infiltrated a lot of a lot of aspects of the military establisher of particularly the Area fifty one.

Regardless of what you may have read in the tabloids, there have never.

Been any spacecraft recovered by our government.

Take my word for it.

There's no Area fifty one.

There's no recovering spaceship.

Excuse me, mister president.

That's not entirely accurate.

From the cold, dark depths of a seior dunge somewhere deep in the remote to sitting to Northwest.

You're traveling into the care of normal with Jermy Scott.

Makes you wonder what could still be going on out Area fifty one way today, I'm Jeremy Scott from the cold dark jemps of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest, talking about Area fifty one secrets.

So honored to have back on the program tonight.

Recognized a thirty on low observable aircraft Lockheed Skukeworks family of Blackbirds in the US Navy's fleet of modern day fast attack and ballistic missile submarines.

He is Jim Goodall.

He's been photographing and writing about military aircraft, naval ships, and submarines for over fifty years now.

Has published many books on aviation, seventy five years of the Lockheed Martin Scottworks probably the most relevant to our converse tonight, Jill, welcome back to the program.

It's good to be here.

A happy new year, and.

Yeah, we've made it to the new year.

It does seem like that is a feat in and of itself.

You know, luckily the calendar turns over from one year to the next, and we're thankful for that.

Yeah, that's that's a for sure thing.

So Area fifty one, I mean, you've actually observed some activity out there, and we can get to that.

But do we have a reason to be suspicious of the official story with Area fifty one considering what may actually be taking place there.

A friend of mine he sends, passed away, Dave Thruhoff.

He was an Star seventy one pilot and when he retired, he wasn't sure what he's gonna do, but he had above top secret clearance.

Yeah, and he got a job as facility manager at a unknown location better known as Area fifty one.

And when he was alive, when he when he was totally retired, he moved to Lynchburg, Tennessee, which is the home to Jack Daniels.

And at the time, my dad was director of engineering at the Tullahoma Win Tunnel wind Tunnel Complex at Arnold Air Force Station, I think is now considered an Air Force base.

So I called him up one day and said, hey, Dave.

He says, you're up for company, and he said sure.

He said where are you at?

I said the in Tullaholm.

I said, you could almost walk here, So I drove there.

We talked for about about three and a half four hours, and I got to I got to the point where I asked, I asked him, do you believe in UFOs?

And you got he said, absolutely, positively do exist.

Neil Fox, who was a Skunkworks senior manager flight test manager the skunk Works.

I asked foxy years ago, do you believe in UFOs?

Absolutely positivity, they do exist?

And you know I got.

I have a letter that was written by Ben rich from the Ya he was at the time of president of the Lucky Skunkworks, and I'll read it here as the John Andrews from Tester's fame, he came out with the Bobbar sports model.

He said, dear John, Yes, I'm a I'm a believer in both categories, and I feel everything is possible.

Many of our man made UFOs are unfunded opportunities.

The underlyuns underlines the U, the F and the O in both categories.

There are a lot of cooks and Charlatan's be careful.

Best regards Ben Rich so and he was, I mean, if anybody is going to know of anything spooky going on in the aviation or aviation related industry, and regardless how classified it would be, would be someone at the skunk works.

So there's this one thing after another revalidated the fact that you know that ufose are in fact real.

Dave Threwhof in seventy late seventy two early seventy three chase a UFO in an Star seventy one.

It left him in the dust.

So it's just and the people who are seeing it, people are talking about now.

I just had a chance to watch the new disclosure video.

A buddy of mine who actually when he was an army officer, saw two very large ones about one hundred and fifty foot across, hovering about eighteen miles off the coast of Panama City.

They're near a structure out there.

As you know, it was for the weapon the weapons school there at Tindall.

It's probably they had tracking equipment there.

But these two things came in and were just hovering there when they saw two f forest coming, they think, but I mean they just literally went from here to gone in a blink of an eye.

So there's way too many things saying that UFOs and aliens are real.

I was a dozin at kitt Peak National Observatories here in Tucson, actually about fifty miles to west of US.

They have twenty two optical telescopes, everything from a twelve inch to the thirteen foot primary mirror.

They have two radio telescopes, twelve and a twenty five meter telescope, and it's now closed.

But I also had the world's largest solar telescope.

And just before I left, there was a meeting of all the astronomers, the docents, and the technicians.

It was a bear and pizza at what they called THENAO, the National Optical Astronomy Observatory.

It's managed out of the University of Arizona here in Tucson.

And the keynote speaker was one of the top astronomers for the National Science Foundation, and he came to tell us that he just returned from a conference on exoplanets and that after using he said, using proven math mathematical formulas on probabilities, they figured out for every star in the universe as one and a half planets, and out of that incredible number, there are two billion.

That's with a B two billion earth like planets orbiting a similar sized brown dwarf stars our Sun in the inhabitable zone with liquid water.

And to quote Jody Foster's character in Carl Sagan's book A Movie Contact.

If we're the only ones, but to waste the space.

So it sounds like you believe we are not alone.

I know we're not alone.

There's just too many.

There's just too many things that I've encountered, too many people that are really really important, who could you know, could have their careers damaged if they said anything.

Aviation journalist Jim Goodall with us tonight.

We've got a pause, be right back with him, talking about Area fifty one.

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It's the case if I've seen too much, I know too much.

We are not alone.

Talking with Jim Goodall tonight, who's written seventy five years of the Lockheed Martin Skunkworks among the other books as well aviation journalist, he's a scene activity as well with his own eyes.

What have you observed out near Area fifty one?

Jim, I was the first non air Force Lockheed or do OD person to photograph the F one seventeen, and I was with the infamous John Lear and there was that that particular day was an interesting day all the way around.

They had talked to me.

There was some stuff in the news about possible flying discs and whatever, but the biggest news was the F one seventeenth.

They made the announcement of the F one seventeen on it was a twenty second in November eighty eight, and the B two was on the twenty It was on the eleventh of November eighty eight.

So they released two black programs, and the F one seventeen being the more classified one.

And when did you observe this, Because before its official release that we knew.

Of, I saw it and photographed it on that was the first week of January of nineteen eighty nine.

They announced it about a month and a half earlier, and then you only came out with one terrible photo of it.

It was taken from a boom operator's position, and it was taken with a telephoto, so it shortened everything up.

You couldn't you couldn't tell it had you couldn't tell the sweep of the wings, and it was just it was a funny looking airplane.

Now, the guys who first saw it, they're at either area of fifty one or at the skunk works.

They said they gave it a nickname the cockbroach because that's exactly what it looks like.

I mean, it's just a big sort of a big ugly bug.

But today they're still flying it.

There's a handful of them that are flying out of Tony Pod Test Range, and they're going using it during red flag and green flag out of Nellis to simulate low observable aircraft from foreign adversaries.

So there's still because it has a radar return smaller than a daisy bebe.

It's even even smaller than the B two, and the B two has would be the next stealthiest craft flying.

Now we have the F.

Now we have the F forty seven.

When I'm wondering where where are all the where are all the F designations in between the F thirty five to the F forty seven.

Well, here's another example of what we're seeing today was probably developed, you know, a decade ago or more and may have been tested way back when, and now we're seeing it in the skies.

Yeah.

And I have another friend of mine, he's he's in a I don't want to even give his give what he does, but he's he's been at all of the classified bases and he said that ninety five percent of boy being seen in the sky are man made, but allly has to be is one being from some other universe or some other solar system.

Well, some of them probably are, right, some of them might be extra terrestrial, but you believe that many of them are man made.

That's what I've been told by people who who I know know right.

Yeah, and so.

Some of these exotic craft that may defy our conventional understanding may just be that defying our conventional understanding, and we need to understand it a little better.

But it doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial.

Yeah.

Well, Ben Rich at A just prior to his death, he was a keynote speaker at UCLA was grad students to Euronautical School, and he has given a talk and in his prepared text, not something that he just pulled out of his pocket at the least minute, but in his prepared texts he said, today, now this is this is uh thirty years ago, it's like ninety four ninety five, he said, today we have the ability to take e T home.

Now just think what what that's what that little statement stands for.

We're not alone, you know, you know, we've been using alien technology for for at least the last forty years, if not the last seventy or eighty years.

And there's no there's there were there were craft being seen and photographed out of Mount Palomar UH two hundred Dance telescope in southern California.

This is back in the in the right after World World War Two.

This is before satellites were up, and you can get a whole bunch of you get on this one series of plates where they're looking for anything different.

You put them one on top of each other, flip with you like a flip book.

You can see you can see something moving across the sky in space.

And this is before.

This is years before Sputnik, probably ten years before Sputnik was launched.

They're out there, they're watching us.

And of course then we had the hoop of three eye Atlas and there was all sorts of crazy specculation on that, but that came from a different solar system, and it's it's just amazing.

It's just amazing what reflective light can tell about a about an object.

I mean, the you know, the the James Webb Space Telescope did a lot of really really good research and shots of.

The three I atlas, So we have some of the technology that would make.

George Lucas envious?

Is that?

Ben Rich said yes.

Yes, and no.

Fox said basically the same thing.

Well, yeah, he said yeah.

He said, if we have stuff that would make Steven Spielberg and George Lucas envious.

And this is this is a guy who I he almost all my manufacturing shots of the A twelve and the D twenty one all came from him.

They were originally eight by ten's.

He sent me a box about two inches thick, nothing but eight by ten photos and he said, you don't know where you got these from.

Of course he's been dead for a long time now, so I can talk about it.

Okay, So what is it?

What was all this hooplaw about the year twenty twenty five and a non disclosure agreement and perhaps that that that's the year when this would be revealed.

That was That was Jack Gordon.

He was one of the presidents former presidents of the Skunk Works.

And he said that a at a a Blackbird reunion.

He made the comment because I asked him.

He said, Hey, since since you can't talk about what's happening, can you tell me when you maybe wanted, you know, when the general public will will be able to see whatever these classified objects are.

He said, should be about twenty twenty five is when some of that information is going to be released.

And that's you know, that's a long time ago.

Was thirty years ago, actually forty years ago when I think when I said that, But and stuff is starting to trickle out.

There's been you know, now with the advantage of absolutely everybody on the planet having, you know, having a cell phone, it's just a matter of time before someone gets a undeniable shot of a UFO.

I didn't ben Rich say it'd be more like fifty years though.

No, he told me, he said, we have things out there the desert that's fifty years beyond my imagination what I could come up with.

But then he said, and if you seeing movies like Star Wars or Star Trek, we've been there, done that, or decided it wasn't worth the effort.

I said, then you want to expand upon that?

And he said no, and then he had the nerve to die on me about ten days later.

Yeah, so what do you think is still going on, if anything at area fifty as it deals with perhaps reverse engineering of alien spacecraft or something of that kind.

Area fifty one is I think most of the classified stuff that's flying in and out Area fifty one are now dedicated to either you're close collaborative combat aircraft and or drones.

There's been there's been a number of secret aircraft have articles, as they call them, test flone that never came to fruition.

So it's it's time.

I think the time is right that people are going to need to know what's going to happen here.

I think that the three I Atlas sort of got everybody's attention and interest, you sort of you know, reignited it.

But it's it's only it's they can't keep the bottled up forever, right.

And the thing I was disappointed in the Disclosure uh documentary that just came out.

They had a lot of very very important people, very powerful people, people in the know, and they talked about they saw it, they described it, They described that, you know, various different types of beings that uh, we humans have interacted with for a long long time, if not thousands of years.

But they didn't they didn't show any proof.

There weren't any photographs, There wasn't an article that they could pick up and say, hey, this is the piece.

So it's until until something spectacular happens and the way of a landing of a big craft of some sort out from the craft, not only are come out humans but also aliens.

Yeah, and something like that.

It's going to have to be much a lot like Mars Attacks.

I hope it's not.

If it's as funny as that, that'll be great.

But War the World, yeah.

Or the Tom Cruise version of War of the World, that is a's a that's more a frightening movie than nineteen fifty three one.

Right, Yeah, Well, I mean technology is a lot better than it was back then.

You can make things that look much more real, and the people are falling for that.

But anyway, we obviously know that this activity is right still going on at Area fifty one, and we know that because Janet Airlines is still making these flights out there.

Well, I mean, anybody and everybody that works at Area fifty one there's billotine there if they're going to be there for the week, But the Janet flights have been going on.

It was Key Airlines here back in the late seventies early eighties.

It's just a community it's a community commuter flight.

Mcaren out to various places that are classified, Area fifty one being one of them.

I've seen Janet flights going into Tona Test Range.

There's a new facility in the extremely north extreme north east corner of Nevada.

It's supposed to be a new base.

And this is per A Casey went thirty five tanker captain pilot, I should say, told my son his kids said he was home on leave or whatever.

This is back in a soda and asked my son, James said, your dad still got in the desert snoop on the things that go bump in the night.

And he said yeah.

He said, where's he going?

Said t TR, which tone pat Test Range and in and around Area fifty one.

He said, well, there's a new place.

It's not in the Pacific Northwest, but it's really close to it.

And the Pacific Northwest would be Washington, Oregon and Idaho right thet Yeah, he said, it's close, but not in the restricted area.

And two people that and this is from John Lear.

He said.

Two guys he knew worked on spooky programs.

Every Area fifty one.

He said, hey, we're we're moving.

What we've been working on has gone operational.

We wouldn't say what it was, but uh, but there's both guys that he were talking to.

He said they had moved to Twin Falls, Idaho, and on Mondays.

It's about a ninety minute drive to work now, so I figured that's one hundred miles.

I got a pro cract map of where I think it would be well actually from Twin Falls, and just put a big old circle and they went into Google Earth started looking for roads that weren't there before, or areas that have been pixeled out of the upper The last time I looked on Google Earth, the upper right hand corner of the state of Nevada, it was all pixelated.

It was just various shades of little green squares.

So I think that's that's a new.

That's rendezvous point of sorts.

Yeah, that's where I believe the new facility is.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Don't sounds like, don't tell them you told us?

Pardon, don't you tell them that you told us?

Sure, so, then spooky stuff must still be going on at area fifty one.

Oh, absolutely absolutely, I mean they've they did it.

They've done it illegally.

Last time I was near there was two years ago.

And as we're driving down the back road to go to the top of Bald Mountain, that's where the radar unit is or yeah, the radar unit is on top of the mountain and this is not the path Bose Range.

There were signs of a mile out from where I've been before, saying you cross this point and you've entered a restricted area.

Now there's been no public announcement, so they put those signs out illegally.

But at eighty years old, I don't want to be I don't want to have you know.

I have this and a couple of nights in jail and Pinoche to satisfy my curiosity.

Which is probably what would happen, right if you were caught.

Yeah, yeah, I mean most of the time I spent in and around Area fifty one was pre nine to eleven, and since nine to eleven things got pretty you know, the security people out there got pretty intense.

Now I was out there for the I was out there with George Knapp and a talking head on the CBS station there out of Vegas on the storm area Storm Area fifty one event, and there were at one time there were five million people had indicated that they were going now in Lincoln, Esmeralda and Night County, and those are the counties are sort of surround Area fifty one.

There's less than two hundred beds and rooms, so you get five million people there.

It was problematic from the start.

Oh absolutely, But I talked.

I talked to a Nevada Highway patrol I think he was a major.

I just pulled over the side of the rudder.

They had their they had their encampment right in the middle of Tippeku Valley, which is the valley do east Area fifty one and uh and beans.

I have white hair, and I wasn't driving a conventional car.

I have a Grand Sport Corvette, which is not a good off the road car at all.

So but I pulled in there.

He knew I was.

I was an adult, and I said, well, how many guys he got out here?

And he said, how about twenty five hundred.

The word had come down from the Pentagon.

It was either a Secretary of Defense.

It was either or the Secretary Air Force or Termine.

The Joint chiefs put the word out to everybody in and around Nellis and Area fifty one under no circumstances, will anybody be allowed to penetrate the perimeter of area fifty one?

And they said, we will use non lethal means to stop these people, and lethal means if it doesn't work.

Right, So they went in and more or less bought into one spot, the east and north fence line, Area fifty one non lethal crowd control equipment.

When is a high powered micro wave.

They turn that on and if all of a sudden it doesn't kill you, doesn't do any physical damage other than you feel like your body's on fire.

Yeah, you turn You'll turn around, and I tail out out out there, and I had I had some other characters say, well, uh, how are they going to stop?

What if there's only one million people, how are they going to stop?

Yeah, they can't stop them all.

Now, all you have to do is shoot the person up front and that does it right there.

And the other the other crowd controlled device they use, they call it the browns the brown sound.

It's a very very low frequency, really set out with a lot of horsepower behind it.

And what it does it instantly makes your bowels empty.

And how many people doing that all at once?

Yeah, and your level of enthusiasm where the pants full of poop is diminished significantly.

Oh, Jim, I think we should end the conversation there.

This was really great.

Oh uh, do you have a I mean, how does the audience should they contact you or just look for your books.

My books if they want all the hard bound books going to Amazon going books by James Middle initials C, goodall, G O, O, D A L L.

And you hit the spy glass or whatever you call it to go there.

And that's why you'll see most of my books.

Sure, and the soft bound ones are and they're also but the ones, I mean my seventy five years of the skunk Works.

That book weighs five and a half pounds.

My goodness, and pages is that, Jim, just under five hundred?

Okay, it's hardbound.

But I covered forty three programs.

And how many programs do you think you don't you've missed?

I said, probably forty three other ones that I have no knowledge.

Of, well about a certain amount of this stuff.

Yeah, but I I had Jack Gordon.

I guess sure Mullen was one of the presidents.

There's been twelve presidents that Skunkworks.

I've been close to half of them.

I've talked on a semi regular basis.

My closest was Ben Rich and he was Kelly's replacement and I spoke with him once a quarter for over twenty years.

Wow.

Yeah, So but there's there's Let's put it this way, the parking lot at the Janet terminal is full.

You go by Palmdale and go by go buy Air Force Plant forty two on the southeast I think it's the southwest corner of the Air Force plan for you too is the skunk works, and there'll be a couple of thousand cars there.

And they're not building replacement panels for the F twenty two, the or the F one seventeen.

They're there for a specific reason.

Yeah, a very specific reason.

Jim, thank you so much for the time.

My pleasure.

Always a good talking with you.

Jim.

Goodall know a couple of Darcy Weirs films as well.

We've got Darcy coming up on the program in a couple of weeks.

Check out the links that we've made available as well at Paranormal radio dot com.

You can get links to his books and follow him.

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We will talk to you next time.

Friends from the Cold dark depths of a secret dungeon somewhere deep in the remote Pacific Northwest.

Keep your eyes to the sky, good night, and God bless sect.

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