1 00:00:00,099 --> 00:00:03,999 [Trailer] Douglon TSE: They have a fake Nest. 2 00:00:03,999 --> 00:00:06,630 These copycatters are almost good market research. 3 00:00:06,630 --> 00:00:10,180 You don't have to spend the time saying “Shall we open a Nest there?” 4 00:00:10,180 --> 00:00:12,710 Someone’s already done it for you. 5 00:00:12,710 --> 00:00:17,900 [Intro] OF: Welcome to Mosaic of China, a podcast 6 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:20,100 about people who are making their mark in China. 7 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,920 I’m your host, Oscar Fuchs. 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,950 You may have noticed that the regular episodes of the podcast have been designed in a way 9 00:00:26,950 --> 00:00:31,190 that can be enjoyed no matter whether you’ve lived in China all your life, or have never 10 00:00:31,190 --> 00:00:33,730 even stepped foot here. 11 00:00:33,730 --> 00:00:37,850 Well in today’s penultimate compilation episode from Season 02 of the show, we’re 12 00:00:37,850 --> 00:00:42,329 throwing that idea entirely out of the window because we’re sharing the guests’ answers 13 00:00:42,329 --> 00:00:47,399 to the question: “What’s your favourite place in China to eat, drink or hang out?” 14 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:51,660 So it’s especially useful for people listening in China who are looking for new ideas about 15 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,829 how to spend their time. 16 00:00:53,829 --> 00:00:56,879 And especially useless for everyone else. 17 00:00:56,879 --> 00:00:58,479 [Main] [Voiceover] 18 00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:02,940 OF: Ajay Jain, the car designer from Episode 21. 19 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:05,140 [Clip] AJ: This one is a question I've thought about 20 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:09,640 a lot, because actually, I've only heard the first season of course, the second season’s 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,009 not out yet. 22 00:01:11,009 --> 00:01:12,320 Everybody had a place, right? 23 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,729 OF: Well, maybe I had to force them to choose one. 24 00:01:14,729 --> 00:01:16,020 AJ: Oh right. 25 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:18,560 Because it depends when you ask me this. 26 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,650 You know, there was a time I used to love Unico, I used to love 永康路 [Yǒngkāng 27 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:25,310 Lù], we used to go to Sugar before that. 28 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:30,990 So right now, the nicest place for us to hang out is right opposite our house, less than 29 00:01:30,990 --> 00:01:34,350 100 metres away, there's a little place called Porcellino. 30 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:38,000 I'm sure next week it'll be something else. 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,670 [Voiceover] OF: Vittorio Franzese, the lawyer from Episode 32 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:44,670 27. 33 00:01:44,670 --> 00:01:47,299 [Clip] VF: In Shanghai I have a few places. 34 00:01:47,299 --> 00:01:52,170 I can mention Porto Matto for comfort food, an Italian restaurant from the south of Italy 35 00:01:52,170 --> 00:01:53,170 on 常熟路 [Chángshú Lù]. 36 00:01:53,170 --> 00:01:58,319 It’s a place where I go when I really want to feel like home, and I manage to do that. 37 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,579 It's the food I’ve grown up with. 38 00:02:00,579 --> 00:02:05,290 And then I can also mention Casa Mia for the quality of food. 39 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:10,260 And I have to say that I do really love W Hotel for their Sunday brunch. 40 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:12,180 I do like that vibe. 41 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:17,600 [Voiceover] OF: Louise Roy, the childbirth and lactation 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,470 specialist from Episode 06. 43 00:02:19,470 --> 00:02:21,470 [Clip] LR: Honestly, it’s… 44 00:02:21,470 --> 00:02:22,470 I love my sofa. 45 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:24,830 OF: Yeah LR: I just want to be home. 46 00:02:24,830 --> 00:02:30,510 I spend all day with people, and talking to people, and I just love Netflix. 47 00:02:30,510 --> 00:02:31,530 I really… 48 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:32,900 it's a really boring answer. 49 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:36,770 OF: No, having been through the conversation we've just had - all the things that you deal 50 00:02:36,770 --> 00:02:39,900 with - I can imagine the sofa being the place you want to go. 51 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:40,900 LR: Yeah. 52 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:41,900 I mean, I do… 53 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:46,040 I love going out with my close friends - my friends who are my family here - who I can 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,890 talk about the good and the bad with. 55 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:51,970 And so it's not a place, it’s a people. 56 00:02:51,970 --> 00:02:56,330 [Voiceover] OF: Zhang Yuan, the performance art exhibitor 57 00:02:56,330 --> 00:02:57,650 from Episode 07. 58 00:02:57,650 --> 00:03:00,680 [Clip] ZY: So that would be home. 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,990 I mean, ‘home’ means my home and my friends’ home. 60 00:03:03,990 --> 00:03:09,010 And I even think of curating something about that in the future. 61 00:03:09,010 --> 00:03:15,780 We can blur the border of public and privacy, if we can bring performers to people's homes. 62 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:17,920 That's what I mean. 63 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:18,990 OF: Mmm. 64 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:22,640 [Voiceover] OF: Cassandra Chen, the heavy metal bar owner 65 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:23,910 from Episode 16. 66 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:27,130 [Clip] CC: Well, of course, I hang out at Inferno 67 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:28,190 most of the time. 68 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:29,830 OF: And if there was a second choice? 69 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:32,410 CC: I would go to Latina. 70 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:34,410 It's a Brazilian Steakhouse buffet. 71 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:36,030 All you can eat. 72 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:38,180 It's a pretty good deal for me. 73 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:42,980 [Voiceover] OF: Wendy Saunders, the architect from Episode 74 00:03:42,980 --> 00:03:43,980 12. 75 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:47,620 [Clip] WS: Locally, I think for 15 years, nearly 76 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:52,840 every week I go to a local dumpling place on 延庆路 [Yánqìng Lù], and it's been 77 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,070 there, it's never moved. 78 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:55,900 It's amazing that it's still the same place. 79 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:56,900 I don’t know why. 80 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:57,900 OF: I was gonna say. 81 00:03:57,900 --> 00:03:58,900 I'm impressed. 82 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:01,190 You're looking remarkably fit, considering you have that many dumplings. 83 00:04:01,190 --> 00:04:05,580 And it's true, because that question, it’s open to interpretation. 84 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:08,120 Because some people would say “It's the best, the fanciest”. 85 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,970 And some people would say “It's the one that you go to most often”. 86 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:13,740 And I think it's telling as to how you interpret the question. 87 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:14,740 WS: Yeah. 88 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:18,760 And the thing is, also, I think if you've been here long, you tend to kind of keep your 89 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,350 life a little bit simple. 90 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:23,720 You go to some places that you know what you're going to get. 91 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,660 And I find, like in work, everything is quite busy and stressful. 92 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:31,720 So I tried to keep my family life quite simple. 93 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,410 OF: That is a good survival technique, just to create this kind of oasis of predictability 94 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:42,970 and calm in your life - when there's so much change, so much chaos, so much speed - I think 95 00:04:42,970 --> 00:04:44,700 is important in a place like Shanghai. 96 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:46,100 WS: Yeah. 97 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:50,730 [Voiceover] OF: Sean Harmon, the beer company CEO from 98 00:04:50,730 --> 00:04:51,870 Episode 09. 99 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:53,750 [Clip] SH: So I'm a 静安 [Jìng'ān] guy. 100 00:04:53,750 --> 00:04:59,030 I've lived in 静安 [Jìng'ān] most of my time in Shanghai, it’s a district downtown. 101 00:04:59,030 --> 00:05:02,810 And our office is right at the crossroads of 武定 [Wǔdìng] and 胶州 [Jiāozhōu] 102 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:03,940 which you know. 103 00:05:03,940 --> 00:05:06,370 We were very lucky to choose that location. 104 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:08,010 We moved in there in 2011. 105 00:05:08,010 --> 00:05:12,740 At that time there were no bars on that street. 106 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:16,440 And fortunately for us, they kind of built the road around us somehow. 107 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,010 Being a beer company, we have a lot of clients on that street. 108 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:21,370 So we'll pop down to Malabar and have a beer there. 109 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:22,370 OF: Malabar. 110 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:24,750 SH: But there are a lot of places I could mention to go have a good beer. 111 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:29,050 I also love The Rooster, I love Café des Stagiaires and… 112 00:05:29,050 --> 00:05:32,440 But it's countless, I mean, being connected to the F&B industry. 113 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,460 OF: Yeah. 114 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:38,760 Well, I like Malabar, because that has a nice interesting link to Angie Wu from Season 01, 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:39,760 who said the same bar. 116 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:40,760 SH: Oh really? 117 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,760 OF: Yeah. 118 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,760 SH: OK. 119 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,760 OF: Maybe you're gonna run into her there. 120 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,800 SH: OK yeah, it’s a great place. 121 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,970 [Voiceover] OF: Murray King, the public affairs leader 122 00:05:48,970 --> 00:05:50,170 from Episode 29. 123 00:05:50,170 --> 00:05:54,560 [Clip] MK: I am not very creative, so my favourite 124 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,320 place to dine - or for brunch - is M on the Bund. 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,420 OF: Oh, there you go. 126 00:05:58,420 --> 00:06:01,700 MK: And I hope it exists forever, at least as long as I'm here. 127 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:04,510 I almost feel like it's named after me because ‘M’ for Murray. 128 00:06:04,510 --> 00:06:08,780 It's not for me, it’s for Michelle who owns the restaurant. 129 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:14,400 But I love the restaurant, I love the location, I love the cuisine, I love the branding, I 130 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,310 love the feel of the place. 131 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:19,700 I also love 武康路 [Wǔkāng Lù], it's just a beautiful area. 132 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:22,390 And 安福路 [Ānfú Lù], 湖南路 [Húnán Lù], 兴国路 [Xīngguó Lù], that whole 133 00:06:22,390 --> 00:06:23,390 area. 134 00:06:23,390 --> 00:06:26,250 So I spend a lot of time at the little cafes and restaurants there, when I have a chance 135 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:28,889 to come back to the 浦西 [Pǔxī] side of Shanghai. 136 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:34,120 [Voiceover] OF: Stéphane Wilmet, the head of consumer 137 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,500 insights at L'Oreal from Episode 01. 138 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:39,200 [Clip] SW: I'll tell you where it is, it’s where 139 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,560 sometimes we bump into one another, it’s 安福路 [Ānfú Lù]. 140 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,800 And I'll tell you why. 141 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,350 Because we used to live there - with my wife Sophie and our kids - 25 years ago. 142 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:54,500 And I can tell you at that time, we were the only foreigners in that street. 143 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:57,450 And the transformation over the years is amazing. 144 00:06:57,450 --> 00:07:03,020 Now you see all these KOLs coming to 安福路 [Ānfú Lù], around 武康路 [Wǔkāng Lù], 145 00:07:03,020 --> 00:07:04,250 taking pictures. 146 00:07:04,250 --> 00:07:08,110 It's a street that's always reinventing itself. 147 00:07:08,110 --> 00:07:13,400 And to have seen it from when it wasn't that, to where it is today, it just adds meaning 148 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,090 to the experience of that very beautiful street. 149 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:18,510 OF: Mmm. 150 00:07:18,510 --> 00:07:22,680 [Voiceover] OF: Jo McFarland, the product sourcing leader 151 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:23,810 from Episode 18. 152 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:26,860 [Clip] JM: See it's actually not too far from here, 153 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:27,860 Oscar. 154 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:32,530 And I think you'll understand when I say like 武康 [Wǔkāng] Road, 富民 [Fùmín] Road. 155 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:37,710 Even though we're living in the middle of a big city, they all kind of feel quite European, 156 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:43,400 feels quite relaxed, it's got a chilled atmosphere, and it's just a really nice place to hang 157 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,400 out. 158 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,139 [Voiceover] OF: Chang Chihyun, the humanities professor 159 00:07:48,139 --> 00:07:49,480 from Episode 03. 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,840 [Clip] CC: I still like my petit bourgeois French 161 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,240 Concession nightlife. 162 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:00,400 The bars, the cafes, the western restaurants are the best in China. 163 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,900 There's no comparison. 164 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:04,970 OF: And do you have one particular place that jumps out? 165 00:08:04,970 --> 00:08:09,600 CC: There's great Spanish cuisine on 番禺 [Pānyú] Road. 166 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,790 They have a great gin & tonic selection, that’s the best. 167 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:20,150 OF: OK, I'm going to mysteriously say “Yes, I have been to that Spanish place on 番禺路 168 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:21,150 [Pānyú Lù]”. 169 00:08:21,150 --> 00:08:23,170 And I will also not name it. 170 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:24,750 CC: Yeah. 171 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:28,790 [Voiceover] OF: Crystyl Mo, the fine dining expert from 172 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:29,889 Episode 26. 173 00:08:29,889 --> 00:08:33,729 [Clip] CM: I'll just say one place that I love, which 174 00:08:33,729 --> 00:08:38,809 was a cocktail bar I used to go to every Friday with my girlfriends for years. 175 00:08:38,809 --> 00:08:41,360 And that's Senator Saloon in the French Concession. 176 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,360 OF: Nice. 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:48,139 CM: Where they make perfect classic cocktails, including my signature drink, the sidecar. 178 00:08:48,139 --> 00:08:51,690 OF: Oh, my one is the basil gimlet there, they do a great basil gimlet. 179 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:52,860 CM: Oh yes they do. 180 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:54,110 They do. 181 00:08:54,110 --> 00:08:55,410 And it's just consistent every time. 182 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:57,230 I love the bartenders there. 183 00:08:57,230 --> 00:09:04,129 I love the guy who founded it, David Schroeder, a brilliant American bartender and specialist. 184 00:09:04,129 --> 00:09:08,600 And they also have the most amazing bar snacks out of any bar. 185 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,189 OF: Even the freebie chips they give you seem to be elevated. 186 00:09:12,189 --> 00:09:14,550 CM: Small and perfect. 187 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:19,420 [Voiceover] OF: Jiyoung, the transgender teacher from 188 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:20,439 Episode 30. 189 00:09:20,439 --> 00:09:24,629 [Clip] J: Well, I guess the classic would be Roxie, 190 00:09:24,629 --> 00:09:26,990 because I can let loose and I can totally be myself. 191 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:30,439 But there’s this kind of sense of companionship. 192 00:09:30,439 --> 00:09:34,839 [Voiceover] OF: Vladimir Djurovic, the brand naming expert 193 00:09:34,839 --> 00:09:36,029 from Episode 13. 194 00:09:36,029 --> 00:09:39,540 [Clip] VD: I'd love to travel in time when Face Bar 195 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:40,540 was there. 196 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:43,639 That was a place in 瑞亭路 [Ruìtínglù] / 茂名路 [Màomínglù]. 197 00:09:43,639 --> 00:09:47,699 It used to be a red brick house with wonderful cocktails. 198 00:09:47,699 --> 00:09:53,680 Currently, I mean, I think I really enjoy something that is really close to my place, 199 00:09:53,680 --> 00:10:00,110 I go to a small Japanese restaurant called Xime, an interesting Mexican dish interpretation 200 00:10:00,110 --> 00:10:03,730 by a Japanese chef and stuff, and it's quite a small place. 201 00:10:03,730 --> 00:10:06,369 So see you there. 202 00:10:06,369 --> 00:10:09,980 [Voiceover] OF: Seth Harvey, the education coach from 203 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:10,980 Episode 19. 204 00:10:10,980 --> 00:10:15,290 [Clip] SH: I play on a billiards team once a week, 205 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:18,980 at a bar called Park 91 on 大沽路 [Dàgū Lù], near People's Square. 206 00:10:18,980 --> 00:10:23,833 It's a pretty cool chill place, the kind of place I can walk behind the counter and pour 207 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:24,970 my own beer, and feel very at home there. 208 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:30,050 If I just want to go for a drink, I really like this little bar called Karma on 东湖路 209 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:31,050 [Dōnghú Lù]. 210 00:10:31,050 --> 00:10:34,649 It has this like cool little window, and a very chill vibe, it’s like Filipino guys 211 00:10:34,649 --> 00:10:35,649 run it. 212 00:10:35,649 --> 00:10:37,329 I normally like to do the club stuff anymore. 213 00:10:37,329 --> 00:10:40,600 I like something that's just chill and casual. 214 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,279 Shanghai can have a bit of a materialistic vibe to it, in a bit of a status-seeking, 215 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,439 show-off, luxury prone kind of way. 216 00:10:50,439 --> 00:10:56,300 And I'm just a simple guy from the Midwest, I have no interest in things that are pretentious. 217 00:10:56,300 --> 00:11:01,939 [Voiceover] OF: Salome Chen, the investor and developer 218 00:11:01,939 --> 00:11:03,689 from Episode 24. 219 00:11:03,689 --> 00:11:07,860 [Clip] SC: Maybe the riverside, the west bank. 220 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:15,329 Because, I told you, I had this colourful expensive life back in Beijing. 221 00:11:15,329 --> 00:11:18,819 A lot of parties, drinks. 222 00:11:18,819 --> 00:11:21,110 And I’m kinda tired of that. 223 00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:28,319 So I miss my childhood, this peace and the connection with local people. 224 00:11:28,319 --> 00:11:34,319 So I chose to live not too far from the river, and in the morning sometimes I go jogging 225 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:35,319 along it. 226 00:11:35,319 --> 00:11:40,079 You see all these big ships, slowly moving there. 227 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:44,740 And that's the industrial part of Shanghai, and it's something more stable. 228 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:47,829 OF: It’s much more real, right? 229 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:49,170 SC: Yeah. 230 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:53,319 [Voiceover] OF: Michelle Qu, the improvisational comedian 231 00:11:53,319 --> 00:11:54,730 from Episode 20. 232 00:11:54,730 --> 00:11:57,399 [Clip] MQ: Actually, I don’t have so much time 233 00:11:57,399 --> 00:11:58,819 to hang out. 234 00:11:58,819 --> 00:12:07,300 But a friend of mine took me to do a city walk around the 豫 [Yù] Garden and the 苏州 235 00:12:07,300 --> 00:12:08,300 [Sūzhōu] River. 236 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:13,750 So we checked out the old houses, and the very old small streets around that place. 237 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:18,660 And I thought “Oh, that's the feeling of time passing by.” 238 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:25,230 You can see old people reading newspapers in their old houses. 239 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:32,019 You can “Knock, knock,” ask for an old uncle to give you a haircut. 240 00:12:32,019 --> 00:12:36,790 And you can buy fried chicken and you have it just on the riverside. 241 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:39,819 It’s just the feeling of happiness. 242 00:12:39,819 --> 00:12:45,929 [Voiceover] OF: Alex Shoer, the clean energy entrepreneur 243 00:12:45,929 --> 00:12:47,139 from Episode 11. 244 00:12:47,139 --> 00:12:50,050 [Clip] AS: So the place I frequent the most is actually 245 00:12:50,050 --> 00:12:53,959 功德林 [Gōngdélín], “Godly” vegetarian restaurant. 246 00:12:53,959 --> 00:12:57,170 It's not the coolest hang out in town. 247 00:12:57,170 --> 00:12:58,910 But I actually have grown to love it. 248 00:12:58,910 --> 00:13:01,850 I got to know all of the staff who work there. 249 00:13:01,850 --> 00:13:03,360 OF: It's a chain, right? 250 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,480 There's more than one of those places. 251 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,170 AS: Yeah, it is a chain. 252 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:08,759 I know there's at least three in Shanghai. 253 00:13:08,759 --> 00:13:13,980 It has an old historic lineage of being one of the first Buddhist-style restaurants. 254 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:17,949 So the one I go to is on 五原路 [Wǔyuánlù] and 武康路 [Wǔkānglù]. 255 00:13:17,949 --> 00:13:20,809 And they have a really nice big back patio as well. 256 00:13:20,809 --> 00:13:23,869 So you actually get like this kind of alfresco dining if you want. 257 00:13:23,869 --> 00:13:27,259 And they have cheap beers, so you can go have beers at a Buddhist restaurant. 258 00:13:27,259 --> 00:13:31,149 OF: I've seen these places across town, and I've never gone in. 259 00:13:31,149 --> 00:13:36,589 And as I'm talking to you now, I've just been to the doctor's two weeks ago, and she said 260 00:13:36,589 --> 00:13:37,910 I should eat less meat. 261 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:40,459 I should have just one little handful of meat per week. 262 00:13:40,459 --> 00:13:42,139 And I'm like “What?” 263 00:13:42,139 --> 00:13:44,370 So I’m going to check this out. 264 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:45,370 AS: There you go. 265 00:13:45,370 --> 00:13:46,370 I hope you enjoy it. 266 00:13:46,370 --> 00:13:48,950 It's a little diamond in the rough. 267 00:13:48,950 --> 00:13:55,299 [Voiceover] OF: DJ BO, the DJ from Episode 23. 268 00:13:55,299 --> 00:13:58,910 [Clip] BO: Well, on 定西路 [Dìngxī Lù] by 新华路 269 00:13:58,910 --> 00:14:02,379 [Xīnhuá Lù] there's a cafe on the second floor there. 270 00:14:02,379 --> 00:14:07,860 And I consider that my office, because you have food there, there’s good internet, 271 00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:12,389 it's a good people-watching spot, so I generally have meetings at that spot. 272 00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:14,100 My friends know it as my office. 273 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:15,240 OF: Oh nice. 274 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,480 BO: So I love hanging out there and doing my thing there. 275 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,480 OF: What’s it called? 276 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,230 BO: It’s the City Shop, which is like the international market there. 277 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:24,230 OF: Yeah. 278 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:27,709 BO: This one City Shop has a cafe on the second floor that no-one knows about or goes to. 279 00:14:27,709 --> 00:14:28,709 OF: No. 280 00:14:28,709 --> 00:14:30,480 BO: And you can order sandwiches there. 281 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,459 They have food ready to eat there. 282 00:14:32,459 --> 00:14:33,929 They don't promote it. 283 00:14:33,929 --> 00:14:35,619 And it's close to my apartment. 284 00:14:35,619 --> 00:14:38,569 OF: And you look on to the supermarket, or… 285 00:14:38,569 --> 00:14:39,790 BO: Yes. 286 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:41,629 OF: How funny. 287 00:14:41,629 --> 00:14:44,929 [Voiceover] OF: Katherine Wong, the Peruvian healer from 288 00:14:44,929 --> 00:14:45,929 Episode 04. 289 00:14:45,929 --> 00:14:48,860 [Clip] KW: When I'm with my family, we love to go 290 00:14:48,860 --> 00:14:51,339 to Lost Bakery for breakfast. 291 00:14:51,339 --> 00:14:56,709 And when it's just me, I love to go to Cafe On Air for work. 292 00:14:56,709 --> 00:14:59,699 It's a very cute hidden coffee shop. 293 00:14:59,699 --> 00:15:01,639 It's so peaceful. 294 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:06,660 [Voiceover] OF: Zhao Huiling, the Africa travel vlogger 295 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:07,660 from Episode 28. 296 00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:08,660 [Clip] OF: I just give up on all of this. 297 00:15:08,660 --> 00:15:09,660 What is your favourite place to go, to eat or drink or just hang out? 298 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:11,800 ZH: This little coffee shop downstairs from my house. 299 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,939 OF: Nice. 300 00:15:12,939 --> 00:15:17,060 ZH: I would go with my coffee mug. 301 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:23,310 It's basically a coffee shop where the owner is a serious biker fan. 302 00:15:23,310 --> 00:15:28,720 So sometimes I'm sitting there surrounded by all these really serious bikers, they’re 303 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,829 wearing these heavy leather jackets, I was like “Whoa, I feel like I'm part of their 304 00:15:32,829 --> 00:15:33,829 little subculture.” 305 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:40,470 [Voiceover] OF: Casey Hall, the fashion journalist from 306 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:41,540 Episode 22. 307 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:44,600 [Clip] CH: This is a question that's changed quite 308 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,310 a lot since we had children. 309 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:50,579 We have three little girls who are five and three and one. 310 00:15:50,579 --> 00:15:55,269 And gosh, so much of our leisure time now is spent just doing kid-related stuff. 311 00:15:55,269 --> 00:16:00,199 I have always hated malls my entire life, and I spend so much time in malls now. 312 00:16:00,199 --> 00:16:05,889 I can't say it's my favourite place still to be, but it's an awfully convenient place 313 00:16:05,889 --> 00:16:08,839 to get some kid-related activities. 314 00:16:08,839 --> 00:16:12,910 And in a place like Shanghai for example - where the weather's not always good, the air quality 315 00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:15,380 is not always good - also very convenient. 316 00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:18,310 Oh, where do I love? 317 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:22,820 I mean, just this morning I was at Shanghailander café in 五原路 [Wǔyuán Lù]. 318 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:23,959 I just love being there. 319 00:16:23,959 --> 00:16:25,579 OF: That’s quite a new one, right? 320 00:16:25,579 --> 00:16:26,939 CH: It is quite new. 321 00:16:26,939 --> 00:16:28,139 And I go there to work sometimes. 322 00:16:28,139 --> 00:16:33,559 But to be honest with you, I go there more when I just want to have a little break from 323 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,519 everything. 324 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,649 I started knitting last year as a hobby. 325 00:16:38,649 --> 00:16:44,649 And at least once a week I like to go to Shanghailander café, and drink a flat white, and spend an 326 00:16:44,649 --> 00:16:48,620 hour knitting and listening to a podcast. 327 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:52,740 You know, it's not the most exciting life I lead, but that's my self-care. 328 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:54,100 OF: Oh I like it. 329 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:59,019 And also, you might want to know that Gigi Chang from Season 01, her favourite place 330 00:16:59,019 --> 00:17:01,929 to hang out was just opposite yours, ‘Spicy Moment’ on 五原路 [Wǔyuán Lù]. 331 00:17:01,929 --> 00:17:03,629 CH: Oh yes, I love that place too. 332 00:17:03,629 --> 00:17:04,629 OF: Yeah. 333 00:17:04,629 --> 00:17:05,629 She really likes that. 334 00:17:05,629 --> 00:17:08,919 And I've been there now, like, it must be 10 times since she recommended it. 335 00:17:08,919 --> 00:17:12,319 CH: And 湖南 [Húnán] food is a really underestimated kind of Chinese cuisine, I 336 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:13,470 feel like. 337 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:17,000 If you do like spicy food, 湖南 [Húnán]’s…it's different than other spicy foods. 338 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 OF: It is. 339 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,250 CH: It’s a different kind of spice. 340 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:21,459 My mother-in-law is Malaysian. 341 00:17:21,459 --> 00:17:22,589 She loves spicy food. 342 00:17:22,589 --> 00:17:25,289 So when she comes, I want to have someone to eat spicy food with. 343 00:17:25,289 --> 00:17:29,630 湖南 [Húnán], she really struggled with, because it's just not the kind of spice that 344 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:30,679 she's accustomed to. 345 00:17:30,679 --> 00:17:31,679 OF: Yes. 346 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:33,950 CH: She was like “Nope, not enjoying this at all”. 347 00:17:33,950 --> 00:17:35,000 OF: Uh-oh! 348 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,809 CH: I misread the spicy vibe. 349 00:17:38,809 --> 00:17:42,990 [Voiceover] OF: Cocosanti, the drag performer from Episode 350 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:43,990 05. 351 00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:46,539 [Clip] C: Oh, I am a huge foodie. 352 00:17:46,539 --> 00:17:49,769 And I say this with pride, I’m a foodie, and I'm fat, and I love it. 353 00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:56,799 That being said, I thoroughly want to give a shout-out to Charlie’s… 354 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:58,050 OF: Charlie's Burgers, is it? 355 00:17:58,050 --> 00:17:59,050 C: Charlie’s Burgers. 356 00:17:59,050 --> 00:18:02,590 Yes, there are times really, really late at night, where I'm just like "Alright, I need 357 00:18:02,590 --> 00:18:06,690 to eat something, because I'm coming home from work at 4am.” 358 00:18:06,690 --> 00:18:11,350 And I don't mind eating something like 兰州拉面 [Lánzhōu lāmiàn], but, like, I don't want 359 00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:14,580 something heavy and oily and greasy. 360 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:16,130 And I'm like “Oh, Charlie's is open. 361 00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:17,720 I can just have a chicken nugget.” 362 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,929 OF: It's open that late? 363 00:18:18,929 --> 00:18:20,190 C: Sometimes it's like a hit or miss. 364 00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:24,200 But for the most part, it’s, like, because people are they're enjoying themselves. 365 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,809 [Voiceover] OF: Jamie Barys, the street food expert from 366 00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:30,940 Episode 02. 367 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:35,190 [Clip] JB: I love the holes-in-the-wall, and the 368 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:36,490 mom-and-pop owned places. 369 00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:40,830 But those are not places you can hang out because a lot of times they don't have AC 370 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:41,830 or heat. 371 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:42,830 And they rely on fast turnover. 372 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:45,200 So the longer you sit at their table, the less money they're making. 373 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,370 So it's not cool to just sit and hang out. 374 00:18:47,370 --> 00:18:52,570 So if I'm going to go hang out somewhere, I would say Heritage by Madison, Austin’s 375 00:18:52,570 --> 00:18:54,779 place, is just the best. 376 00:18:54,779 --> 00:18:57,559 I absolutely love it. 377 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:01,639 [Voiceover] OF: Michael Kinsey, the fire engineer from 378 00:19:01,639 --> 00:19:02,639 Episode 25. 379 00:19:02,639 --> 00:19:05,150 [Clip] MK: One of the places - and I don't know if 380 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:06,860 this is a bit of a cop-out - but it's Pie Society. 381 00:19:06,860 --> 00:19:08,350 OF: Oh, yes I know it. 382 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:10,510 MK: On 陕西 [Shǎnxī] North Road. 383 00:19:10,510 --> 00:19:12,070 OF: There’s a couple, I think. 384 00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:13,570 MK: Yeah, there is, there are two. 385 00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:16,429 And I actually live not far from there. 386 00:19:16,429 --> 00:19:22,590 And they do loads of pies, Sunday roast, and a lot of ‘pub grub’ food. 387 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:23,590 OF: Yes. 388 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:25,130 When I first found it out, I was like “What’s this place?” 389 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:28,440 And I walked in and got a steak and kidney pie with baked beans on the side. 390 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,140 I was just like “This is the happiest day of my life.” 391 00:19:31,140 --> 00:19:34,760 MK: It's always interesting when I invite some of my Chinese friends, perhaps, to go 392 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,390 and try it as well, because I’m like “Look, you can try British food”. 393 00:19:37,390 --> 00:19:39,910 OF: Although we're not world famous for our cuisine. 394 00:19:39,910 --> 00:19:40,910 MK: No. 395 00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:42,389 No, normally it's fish and chips. 396 00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:45,299 OF: Well, there's a better place for fish and chips, have you been to Camden’s? 397 00:19:45,299 --> 00:19:46,520 MK: Oh, yes. 398 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,520 In Found 158. 399 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,520 OF: Yes. 400 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,730 MK: Yes I have, I’ve been there once. 401 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:53,320 I had a chip butty and it was great. 402 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,299 OF: Oh god. 403 00:19:55,299 --> 00:19:59,200 [Voiceover] OF: Björn Dahlman, the Swedish clown from 404 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,200 Episode 17. 405 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,259 [Clip] BD: Well, I love going to new restaurants. 406 00:20:04,259 --> 00:20:10,570 And every time I find a small little restaurant that becomes my favourite… 407 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:14,690 Every time I go out from Shanghai and I come back, that restaurant has closed down. 408 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:15,690 OF: Yeah. 409 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:17,940 Can you think of one particular one? 410 00:20:17,940 --> 00:20:22,720 BD: Seahorse Sushi, that had grilled eel sushi. 411 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,169 Oh, it was amazing. 412 00:20:25,169 --> 00:20:29,340 And they made their homemade spicy mayo sauce. 413 00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:35,860 It was, I think, 2017 or 2018 it disappeared, I don't remember. 414 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:41,220 [Voiceover] OF: Douglon Tse, the island businessman from 415 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:42,220 Episode 15. 416 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:44,919 [Clip] DT: When I just want to relax and chill in 417 00:20:44,919 --> 00:20:50,370 Shanghai, I usually go to this corner of 仙霞 [Xiānxiá] Road and 安龙 [Ānlóng] Road. 418 00:20:50,370 --> 00:20:56,590 2-3 blocks of just heavily populated - like a Microdistrict of - restaurants and bars. 419 00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:58,509 Mostly Japanese themed. 420 00:20:58,509 --> 00:21:00,990 But the whole vibe of that place is really cool. 421 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,320 OF: That's when you're in Shanghai, but you're here less and less, right? 422 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,429 DT: Yeah, maybe next time, my new favourite spot will be somewhere in 滴水 [Dīshuǐ] 423 00:21:08,429 --> 00:21:09,429 lake, to hang out. 424 00:21:09,429 --> 00:21:10,429 OF: Ah yeah. 425 00:21:10,429 --> 00:21:11,429 DT: They have a fake Nest. 426 00:21:11,429 --> 00:21:13,570 Oh, people from Nest, you should check it out. 427 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:15,070 OF: Right. 428 00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:18,660 It's copying the bar and restaurant ‘Nest’ here in central Shanghai. 429 00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:19,660 DT: Yeah. 430 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:21,230 Maybe Nest could have been there first. 431 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:22,230 OF: Right. 432 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:23,230 DT: Yeah. 433 00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:26,090 These copycatters are almost good market research. 434 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:28,830 You don't have to spend the time saying “Shall we open a Nest there?” 435 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:31,090 Someone’s already done it for you. 436 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:37,409 [Voiceover] OF: Noxolo Bhengu, the African community organiser 437 00:21:37,409 --> 00:21:38,610 from Episode 14. 438 00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:42,330 [Clip] NB: I love Lotus. 439 00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:43,330 It's an Indian restaurant. 440 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:47,070 I just go and sit on the cushions and it feels so cosy. 441 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:49,519 And Indian food is one of my favourite cuisines. 442 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,710 It's just like a taste of home. 443 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:53,770 OF: Yeah. 444 00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:57,090 [Voiceover] OF: Jovana Zhang, the handicrafts designer 445 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:58,440 from Episode 08. 446 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,390 [Clip] OF: Here's an interesting one for somebody 447 00:22:00,390 --> 00:22:02,780 who lives in the village. 448 00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:10,039 Where is your favourite place to go out, to eat or drink or hang out? 449 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:12,350 Is there actually a place in the village that you can go to? 450 00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:14,930 JZ: There is one, ‘Mad Monkey’. 451 00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:17,919 OF: OK, so by default does that mean that's your favourite? 452 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:21,000 Or would you basically drive the hour to 杭州 [Hángzhōu] to go somewhere? 453 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:27,250 JZ: Now I would not drive anywhere to go hang out somewhere because I have a kid, and it's 454 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:29,070 impossible to plan the trip. 455 00:22:29,070 --> 00:22:30,899 But before, yes. 456 00:22:30,899 --> 00:22:36,320 Yeah, and if it's really really an emergency for some sweets, then I would send Lei to 457 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,090 go to 杭州 [Hángzhōu] to buy it and to bring it back. 458 00:22:39,090 --> 00:22:43,950 [Voiceover] OF: Danma Jyid, the Tibetan social enterprise 459 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:45,500 leader from Episode 10. 460 00:22:45,500 --> 00:22:49,929 [Clip] DJ: I really like Charu in 成都 [Chéngdū]. 461 00:22:49,929 --> 00:22:50,980 OF: Oh what’s that? 462 00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:55,260 DJ: So Charu is a Tibetan co-working space in 成都 [Chéngdū]. 463 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:57,370 If you ever go there, just visit them. 464 00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:58,370 OF: Yeah. 465 00:22:58,370 --> 00:23:03,190 DJ: I really like it there, because like you often see people you know, just run into people 466 00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:04,190 you know. 467 00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:09,059 And it's just nice to hang out and have a cup of coffee. 468 00:23:09,059 --> 00:23:10,059 OF: Nice. 469 00:23:10,059 --> 00:23:11,059 DJ: Yak milk. 470 00:23:11,059 --> 00:23:12,059 OF: Oh yak milk coffee. 471 00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:13,059 DJ: Yes. 472 00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:14,059 OF: How does that taste? 473 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,059 DJ: It tastes really nice. 474 00:23:15,059 --> 00:23:16,980 OF: I don’t believe you. 475 00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:20,509 DJ: You can give a try, if you ever go to 成都 [Chéngdū]. 476 00:23:20,509 --> 00:23:21,509 OF: OK. 477 00:23:21,509 --> 00:23:24,860 DJ: Probably I'm so used to yak milk, yeah. 478 00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:28,980 [Outro] OF: I have been back to one of the Tibetan 479 00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:34,389 parts of China since that recording with Danma, and I was able to actually enjoy a cup of 480 00:23:34,389 --> 00:23:36,889 yak milk tea for the first time. 481 00:23:36,889 --> 00:23:41,090 So look, you can teach an old dog new tricks, and this one is looking forward to heading 482 00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:44,350 to Charu on his next visit to 成都 [Chéngdū]. 483 00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:49,420 I hope you were also taking notes on all those places too, head to mosiacofchina.com for 484 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:53,269 all the links to them in the transcript alongside this episode. 485 00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:57,860 As we often discuss on this podcast, things change all the time in China, and perhaps 486 00:23:57,860 --> 00:24:02,289 nowhere as quickly as in the F&B scene, so make sure you tick off these places before 487 00:24:02,289 --> 00:24:03,390 they disappear. 488 00:24:03,390 --> 00:24:08,399 Perhaps the saddest example of this is with Murray King’s answer - M on the Bund - which 489 00:24:08,399 --> 00:24:13,250 is closing after 23 years of operation in China. 490 00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:17,409 Mosaic of China is me, Oscar Fuchs, with artwork by Denny Newell. 491 00:24:17,409 --> 00:24:22,000 The next episode will be the final of these 10 compilations from Season 02, and it's the 492 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,350 audience favourite on the theme of Chinese words and phrases. 493 00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:29,779 So 下次见 [xiàcì jiàn], or ‘see you next time’. 494 00:24:29,779 --> 00:24:33,190 [Clips] SW: Thank you very much. 495 00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:34,820 JB: Thank you, it’s been a pleasure. 496 00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:35,820 CC: My pleasure. 497 00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:36,820 KW: Thank you so much. 498 00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:38,370 C: Oh hey, thanks. 499 00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:40,460 LR: Thank you very much. 500 00:24:40,460 --> 00:24:41,460 ZY: Thank you. 501 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:42,460 JZ: Thank you. 502 00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:43,460 SH: It’s been a pleasure. 503 00:24:43,460 --> 00:24:44,460 DJ: Thank you. 504 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:45,460 AS: Thank you. 505 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:46,460 WS: Thank you. 506 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:47,460 VD: Thanks. 507 00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:48,460 NB: Thank you. 508 00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:49,460 DT: Thank you. 509 00:24:49,460 --> 00:24:50,460 CC: Thank you. 510 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:51,460 BD: Hehe, thank you. 511 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:52,460 JM: Thank you very much. 512 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:53,460 SH: My pleasure, thanks. 513 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:54,460 MQ: Thank you. 514 00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:55,460 AJ: Thanks a lot. 515 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:56,460 CH: Thank you. 516 00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:57,460 BO: Thank you very much. 517 00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:58,460 SC: Thank you. 518 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:59,460 MK: Thank you. 519 00:24:59,460 --> 00:25:00,460 CM: Thank you. 520 00:25:00,460 --> 00:25:01,460 VF: Thank you so much. 521 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:02,460 ZH: Thank you for having me. 522 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:03,460 MK: It was my pleasure. 523 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:03,960 J: Thank you so much.