[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, Adam Lyon-Rib, and Thomas Karanante.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, and welcome to the Yankees Offseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am Adam Wyner, join as always by Thomas Karanante.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The New York heat is off season officially started this week world series five day grace period.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't talk to outside free agents now really.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can extend your own guys, but there are option decisions qualifying off for choices coming down today.

[SPEAKER_00]: The housekeeping has begun.

[SPEAKER_00]: Although apparently for the Oreos, you could sign the O.

D.

Daveris.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how that managed to work, but they did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So congratulations to Oreos.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm breaking the $100 million threshold on the O.

D.

Daveris.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that.

[SPEAKER_00]: was that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was free.

[SPEAKER_00]: Basically the Yankees made their first two big options decisions yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they nailed both of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we both think they nailed both of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: A few folks have hit the market due to options decisions as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not sure how intrigued we are by those players.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll talk about the new entrance to the free agent market.

[SPEAKER_00]: a cultural movement in Toronto, a cultural moment, I'm a little bit scared.

[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Cohen cheaps out some more Yamamoto.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was never going to happen business.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, today, the day when we learn whether or not the eight years are going to tie any traffic compensation to Trent, Grisham, Thomas Caronante, except talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess let's just start right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Early, you know, you're rapid fire, speed wrap.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think Trangrisham gets qualifying off for today.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so either.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty confident that we get put that to bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the, uh, it comes out to the draft pick computation guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's a force for humpback for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: To broken broken broken broken system.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not crying because the Yankees spend a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and don't get any benefits.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, you lose one soda last year, um, and gave him the qualifying offer.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you sign max for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you just lose all the draft pick.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just does make any sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: They lost one of the best errors in baseball signed a top 15 picture and then still got penalized and in this case because they're repeat tax offenders or is it repeat tax Fender just if you offended in the year that you're offering the qualifying offer [SPEAKER_01]: the pick gets bumped down.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think maybe because the Yankees are always going to be repeat experiment.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're never not going to be above the second limit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that pushes the draft pick down to the fourth round and [SPEAKER_01]: This ain't the NFL.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think a fourth round pick is getting you very far.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you ask me, I think that there could be a legitimate shot, Grisham accepts it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of ways to look at it like, a Grisham accepts it and you're like, shit, I'm on the hook for $22 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of have to rearrange the outfield.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which again, not really opposed to, we talked about this at length when September, when Grisham was, [SPEAKER_01]: finishing off a campaign, a career campaign, two is that the Yankees typically don't like to give out qualifying offers, two players who it will affect their free agency.

[SPEAKER_01]: That said, I'm not sure a fourth round pick is going to deter many teams.

[SPEAKER_01]: In this instance, if it was a competitive balance ARP pick, I would say otherwise.

[SPEAKER_01]: So either way, it's just, it's, it's a moot point.

[SPEAKER_01]: And [SPEAKER_01]: that important of a piece they would want him for more than one year and they would just offer a three year deal and that would be that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So no calling, call, find on for fortune.

[SPEAKER_00]: No goodbye to Trent.

[SPEAKER_00]: We knew that was going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, sometimes you don't know when you're in the good days when you're in.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, we knew what the good old days were.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was trying to crash from hitting 31 home runs this year because it was a short term thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So best of luck on the open market.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to encumber you with traffic compensation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if we do delete this entire front part of the podcast, just pretend it never happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's, it's not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two moves at our official yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: picking up Tim Hill's $3 million option for $26 boom, fell like a no-brainer, but then again, you know, sometimes the no-brainer's or the toughest decisions, because then they go ahead and do the exact opposite of what you thought.

[SPEAKER_00]: You maybe they're scared of $3 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've been scared of $3 million in the past, who knows, but not this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently that's enough for Tim Hill, the right amount.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need three, four, more bullpen arms.

[SPEAKER_00]: So don't lose one of the very few you have who you believe in.

[SPEAKER_00]: In that vein, the client John of the loyze is $5 million option double boot didn't know if they'd be able to break the spell with loyze ago, but that's two booms like the Costco guys would say loyze again, the Yankees just seemingly cannot quit him like arm injuries are an annual occurrence at this point at his peak he is valuable, but you could say that of [SPEAKER_00]: almost any reliever on earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like at anyone's peak, they would be worth your time.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the Yankees have paid John of the Lawyers against significant money to be nowhere near his peak and nowhere near available for several years now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when they brought him back last year, it looked like there was some beating war with the meds that ended up probably not being legitimate, but that's where the rumor mill was at.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it looked like they won a bidding war to secure Lawyers that got on a one year deal with an option.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then what he did do this year participated [SPEAKER_00]: rehabbing, coming back, looking in effective, getting injured again in a way that ended his season early.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if somebody pays the tag and pays the price, and finally gets 2021, loyze, I got like, God speed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a role this Chapman level distaste for this guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be following every second of his career unless he goes to the Red Sox, but which he might being like, oh my God, I can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to trust me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He sucked here, which is what I'll be doing with the role is Chapman till the end of time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about John in the wise.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got it really, but I can't be paying, I know the aches hamstring their own finances.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be paying him $5 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you want him so bad, if you're so bereft of arms that you're desperate to go back to this well, then pay him $500,000.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, we're with major escalators to get him back to $5 million, but we can't be picking up this option.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really thought they might do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they might do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then get to the end of the offseason ago, you know, we wish we had money for a bench, but we don't, because we signed John and Loisga, or, you know, we wish we could do, there's like a starter out there who wants 16 million year, we've only got nine, because we paid John's and Loisga five, so we can't be competitive, which they always do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now we don't have to worry about that for now, unless I find out they were united on like a 2.8 mill deal or something, which case I'm going to be mad again, but I'm not mad yet, because he's gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think, um, I don't think I know he will be back on a deal like you just said $500,000 with escalators.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, his departure, I will believe it when I see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's how I am with Jonathan Loisica and the Yankees and how this relationship has somehow persisted.

[SPEAKER_01]: Since 2022, uh, they, they, they have been tantalized by his 2021 campaign, which was admittedly [SPEAKER_01]: Not a good season by almost any metric it was a team that under-achieved and then a team that lost a one-game playoff in Fenway Because they blew 75 games during the regular season and should have had the whole playoff game themselves So I kind of look at that campaign for Loisica With a grain of salt because it was a largely irrelevant one [SPEAKER_01]: And his playoff performance is episma.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know he hasn't had that much experience, but literally every time he's coming to a playoff game for us It's been as close to dreadful as it could possibly be on a larger body of work scale or larger sample size scale.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't he he won't be back under the obviously under anything where close to those terms because do we they claim he's going to be ready for spring training, but I think the way that is he's an enemy was still a little bit like under wraps with everything that had happened and and what exactly he might have been going through and what procedures or treatment he may have needed so that [SPEAKER_01]: That that vague nature of it just makes it all the more complicated where it's like you just can't guarantee this guy money.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's somebody who look it's it's unfortunate right you don't want players to have this type of injury history and have to affect our careers like Jonathan wise and I'm sure loves playing baseball and has been unable to for the most part he's pitched in.

[SPEAKER_01]: 50 games from 2023 to 2025, that's literally nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: 2024, it's like an incredibly strong little life.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got three games, four innings, four shut out, and you're like, yeah, four shut out, seven hits.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so low-wise, okay, he was clearly hurt that entire time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they put him on the shelf after like six days.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like one that he did elbow surgery in 2023, and then it wasn't enough of an elbow surgery, so then it was reconstructed elbow surgery in 2024, and then it was, let's see what you can do in 2025, and it was, but not much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look, 30 games was solid, I guess, but his performance was so bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: The numbers really don't tell the whole story, but almost every time he came in, [SPEAKER_01]: either he would let runners on base score, so it wouldn't directly affect his numbers or he would he would be allowing earn runs.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was very few clean innings from him when he had the opportunity.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a chance he comes back on some deal like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Hill, I mean, if this was even a thought for a second from anybody in this organization that's crazy and I am critical of the Yankees, but I think they're much smarter than that.

[SPEAKER_01]: They knew that they knew the value [SPEAKER_01]: Um, or I mean, best year and a half, you would say, uh, of his career have been with the Yankees, whatever they have figured out with him has been as revolutionary as it could possibly be for someone who's, uh, I don't know, one of the bottom-run guys in the book, like theoretically should be one of the bottom-run guys in the bullpen, but ended up raising the raising his floor, it become like fairly high leverage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and regardless, [SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Tim Hill in a vacuum was not high leverage and was not somebody who was necessary left left specialist in that being who's not taken 70 games in 65 plus innings for $3 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: For the, again, I don't think he's going to be low 3 ERA's high to ERA's like he was like I think there's definitely a chance that that is not as rose as it was these last two years, but like the availability man there's no denying that for the price you're getting and we've seen the bullpen have to do all this overhaul work because of injuries and underperformance and [SPEAKER_01]: Tim Hill's largely been consistent.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you can't have these crazy expectations for all these players.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Tim Hill is Tim Hill.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is a 36 year old pitcher who is rock solid and there should be nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: There should be nothing expected of him other than I need you to pitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get me through these innings and have it be somewhat competent and he does that better.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, welcome back Tim.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to him, shout out to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Use Tim as much as you can.

[SPEAKER_00]: He could be a playout flinchpin, maybe if you'd let him be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I'd blacked out how often Jonathan Lois had appeared this year, like I wouldn't have believed you.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you told me it was 29, almost 30 innings.

[SPEAKER_00]: But guess what?

[SPEAKER_00]: You made a major role in my least favorite game of the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe my least favorite game of my entire life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: first and second and two outs in the, uh, you know, a six to game in Miami, John von Wazger relieved Carlos Rennon in the fifth hit auto Lopez with a pitch to load the bases, gave up a two run single to Liam Hicks to make it six four more hours.

[SPEAKER_00]: got Kyle Stowers to end that inning and then now is his last outing of the season the worst game of the year he allowed a base runner followed by a two run single followed by getting out of the inning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you still win that horrific game, maybe if not for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Although maybe not because you could have given to me in Camilo, Doval, if you tell me that an alternate timeline happens where he gives up a five run bloomed late in the ninth.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, that's possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were always destined because that game was hell on earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, good, goodbye for now to John and Lewise, good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, I don't even know if we buy it, uh, a couple other folks who've hit the market due to option decisions.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Yankees list of potential bullpen targets just got a little bit larger today.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Atlanta brave's cleaning out their bullpen, uh, for some reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: No apparent reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of don't want.

[SPEAKER_00]: to know what the reason is, because I want to kind of care about these guys and maybe the Braves know something I don't pierce Johnson, Tyler Kinley had a 5.5 million dollar option.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of great in the second half last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, 5.5 million, you're also talking about an X-Rocky, one of the Yankees bugaboo's, we just go ahead and grab Rockies, but Kinley had an 0.72-ERA in 25 innings with 11 hits allowed for the Braves down the stretch.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 34 out of the spotlight, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know more to come today too so sadly slightly outdated podcast by the end of the day will have some more decisions to talk about, but [SPEAKER_00]: bigger names, Jorge Polanco is now there for the taking a silver slug or finalist at second base in the American League this year and a guy who's starred throughout the Mariners playoff run, a guy who the Yankees were entertaining, signing last off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: It ultimately, I believe, came down to the Astros of the Mariners.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mariners got him, but he declines that $8 million option.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a potential jazz chism trade replacement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a road.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going down.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Jorge Polanco, I guess you can't really play [SPEAKER_00]: much of anywhere except for second.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like short in the past.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do need a short stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need in field help with Volpi without Volpi.

[SPEAKER_00]: What have you?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we can trust him to platoon a little bit with Cabo Aero.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe someone like Hassan Kim, a little more plainly versatile is a better fit there.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a ready bat who can play third.

[SPEAKER_00]: Played a lot of third in 2023.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Kim and Polaco infielders, who we can maybe entertain at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kim makes more sense, [SPEAKER_01]: I like how it's on Kim a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: The versatility there again like you're looking at Volby not playing potentially until June.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would like not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like those that cover you a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want him starting every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's his role.

[SPEAKER_01]: We saw him.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't either.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they made it clear last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't want him starting for better or worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't want him to be the full time starter.

[SPEAKER_01]: yeah and he's like again he's he's more of a gadget player he's he's a pest which I think everybody has collectively said at once when he arrived here and it's something the Yankees fan base loves and he is very good in doses we saw him play for about a week and a half trait when vulby got that uh uh [SPEAKER_01]: court zone injection.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there were some defensive gaps.

[SPEAKER_01]: There were some base running gaps.

[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple of objections.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, look, there's it's it's it's it's it's kind of a player profile and a personality you want to deploy.

[SPEAKER_01]: in doses, not necessarily on a full-time basis.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you bring Kim into the fold, then that gives you somebody who can also play multiple positions.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've come to learn with the Yankees, essentially since 2018, there is room for competent bench players to log 100 plus games.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's always injuries.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is always underperformance.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if Aaron Boone actually wanted to act on, [SPEAKER_01]: holding players accountable with their playing time because they're not delivering on that end.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you could have a bench full of good guys instead of a bench full of random dudes who may or may not be able to produce.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's again, one of our bigger complaints about the Yankees over the last four or five years that they rectified at the trade deadline this year and we saw good results from it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, why not?

[SPEAKER_01]: Then again, [SPEAKER_01]: came up it out because he's almost going to pay him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So why I don't know if that's in the Yankees budget or if they're willing to pay a potential backup, whatever he's looking to make.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Polaco.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't dislike Polanco.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's, you know, his, uh, his frequency right now has a lot of helium behind it because of his postseason performance.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I just don't view that necessarily as a solution for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, I think if he's opting out, he's looking for more reps.

Um, you are right in the, in the, uh, shitty scenario that they decide to trade jazz [SPEAKER_00]: Less money the only that's your thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only replace I would even consider at this point is that's your thing Then sure, but like it doesn't doesn't get me going.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Most of these contract option decisions are it feels largely irrelevant The braids bullpen guy school if you want to scoop one up and have him be you know one of the last guys in the bullpen and hopefully [SPEAKER_01]: and hope for them to rise up, then cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that could be an opportunity because the Yankees obviously found success with either maximizing relievers' potential or kind of bringing them back from the dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, you know what I thought of, which is a sick thought, a sick disgusting thought, because Aaron Boot on talking Yanks, essentially confirmed that most of Ben Rice's reps next year are gonna come at first with some mixed-it-catcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: On the surface, the Yankees will be looking for right-handed hitting catcher, right, Christian Baskas.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his bat has been terrible, but he's an asshole and he plays tremendous defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's been like, I think he's registered like one, I think I had it up before, where'd it go?

[SPEAKER_01]: He had a one war last year on one point, one war last year on defense and still and and still finished with the sub one war.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how bad his offense was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was also 0.5 D war in 2024 and 2023 and finished negative four.

[SPEAKER_01]: So look, here's my thing here for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: you believe in your team being able to mash constantly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you have all these guys who hit home runs and get on base and whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does every single player need to have that characteristic and you have somebody who's got a world series ring.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was a former rival that's been in the league for 10 years that can give you, [SPEAKER_01]: 50 solid games a catcher and maybe run into one every once in a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's surrounded by better players.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just been admitted so to the last three years and they've largely had.

[SPEAKER_01]: Under an underwhelming offense for the most part.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a gross thought, but I said to myself like you're not getting like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can get him for super cheap.

[SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk about Staying under that Steve Cohen tax threshold that the Aggies love to do Christian Vaskas for like 2 million bucks done deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely disgusting looking and I mean, again, just what the Red Sox do, it's it's a fancy rate.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, 23 home runs for Christian Vaskas in 2019, 2.2 war and half a season with the 2022 Boston Red Sox in the very next year, negatives in Minnesota, and also after they traded in the Houston negatives later in 2022.

[SPEAKER_00]: We could have been a nice season.

[SPEAKER_00]: 35 games subtracting lore in the same season, which he put up 2.2 in the first half, like it's actually grotesque.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a crime that should be investigated, but I would say yes to Christian Vasquez.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say yes to attitude and assholes.

[SPEAKER_00]: You see what Cam Schlittler's done to melt down these Boston Red Sox fans, like it's out of control.

[SPEAKER_00]: It won't stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: He apologized this week ostensibly.

[SPEAKER_00]: for saying what he said after what he did and saying that the fans made it personal for him just trash talking people and you know what he went on like Lucy purges Instagram was like hold this out or whatever he said yeah just put up a statement that was like Boston in New York mean a lot to me [SPEAKER_00]: like I took things very personally when you went after my family.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will always love Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will always love New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to deliver a championship for these fans the most inoffensive thing that pretty much anyone has ever said and Red Sox fans were still spiraling out in the mentions being like, you know, oh my god, now he's taking a good all bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't even stand by what he said.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe he said what he said in the first place.

[SPEAKER_00]: like Red Sox fans for a month now have been sitting here being like, our team wasn't even good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you beat us, well, we weren't even good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's their newest Teflon excuse.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they win, it's bragging nonstop.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they lose, it's like we didn't even care that much this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now that they lost Tudah Yankees in a playoff series, like this was a bad redzox team.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to brag for beating a bad redzox team.

[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, you support them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Cam Schlittler and that attitude, like even went when he's bragging, when he's telling the truth about what happened, when he's saying fuck boss and that in Nick's game, or when he's literally sitting here, [SPEAKER_00]: Putting out a statement saying I love both cities.

[SPEAKER_00]: I play for New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a championship like the most innocent thing he could possibly be saying they're still imagining him sneering while he's saying it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't handle it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He put up a picture of the TD garden and Bruins games after his season ended.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of a tongue-in-cheek whoops.

[SPEAKER_00]: I lost now.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's Bruins season joke.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't handle that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So more Schlittler, he's helping.

[SPEAKER_00]: More Christian Vasquez types that bring the attitude back where it needs to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: and Boston fans saying well we were actually bad this year doesn't matter that you beat us like that's the best they have right now and that's really embarrassing and lame.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the best they got then keep the pressure on get people who can agitate a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Schlittler has done wonders for the eighties and maybe somebody like Vasquez on a way smaller scale.

[SPEAKER_00]: would as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one guy who's personality, I don't think we've moved the needle at much in this aspect, but, uh, look, we need more pitching.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just do, and then I think we're going to get a starter on the free agent market, or maybe trade, we'll see, which neat inings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Show to him, Naga is now available.

[SPEAKER_00]: cubs decline him the cubs are like legitimately afraid of the lockout like anybody who owns money they can void into the future they're doing it uh 3.73 ER this year for him and not get down the strategy after getting injured after you know losing that drive he was not the guy who was a review the your contender in 2024 and it all started nowhere close and by the end of the year when he was in the postseason he was getting the lead no [SPEAKER_00]: Not a guy who I would say, Oh, yeah, that guy can step in for Carlos for a don absolutely theoretically an innings here does not have the durability he made 25 starts last year that feels like about as much as you could expect from him I'll say if you're looking at just if you're looking to replace Carlos for a don with innings.

[SPEAKER_00]: that you can trust, maybe the upside's not there, but maybe it is for a month and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say check out the trade market see if you can get James and Tion from the Chicago Cubs, if they're given away, everybody who's not tied down, I enjoyed my time with James and Tion.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would enjoy him as like an innings eating number four.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can be in my rotation all year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You made a playoff start this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Emanaga, I think too busty for me at this point in time.

[SPEAKER_00]: McCubbs agreed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is such an egregious decision from Chicago given what their priorities are right now, but we're gonna have to get a starter.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is a name I didn't expect to be talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Busty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Busty.

[SPEAKER_01]: I initially started writing about why he would be a good solution.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did a little under the hood research.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he has one of the worst rates of fly balls that are pulled.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not good for any stadium at these patient half is games there.

[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't induce a lot of ground balls and we saw the hard contact come to life in the worst way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think what we saw down the stretch from showed to even Avio was showed to even Avio.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have a hamstring injury that but arguably affects you all here to varying degrees.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was crazy that [SPEAKER_01]: that the cubs rejected that option, um, because I don't know what other, I don't know what other solutions they have, maybe they're, I guess what, maybe they go after Ranger Suarez, um, but then you're talking about paying a lot more money and the cubs have not been doing that over the last few, uh, off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know how to catch Kyle Tucker, they're paying like they trade for Kyle Tucker and at least the Yankees entertain once out of the cubs are just like best of luck [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were in looking at the year over year payroll versus revenue figures.

[SPEAKER_01]: The cubs were the biggest offender by far in terms of taking home profit and not reinvesting in the payroll.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we can't comment on billionaire spending because it's not our money.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it now at all?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: And for the Yankees, so like, look, I wouldn't be opposed to an even august signing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, that'll be a third lefty in the rotation that you're signing for ostensibly three plus years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have three lefties and then, I don't know, it's a lot of lefties.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and there's more right handed hitters in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of puts you at a bit of a disadvantage.

[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of, look, I'm not opposed to James and Tyon.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think [SPEAKER_01]: he's a really, really good back end option, but we heard the Michael King rumors and how the Yankees would be open to a reunion there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that would look like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Michael King's also coming off in another season with injury.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's another person who struggled with injuries throughout his career.

[SPEAKER_01]: He, it'd be funny since he was the headliner of the Juan Soto trade with the podries and then he'd be coming back.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Yankees need stability in [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't need to be a full year of stability, it just needs to be, we can't have you miss weeks of the start of the season, because we are already having people miss weeks and months at the start of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't entirely know where Michael King is with his, because he came back at the end of the year, right, and then he was immediately rolled out.

[SPEAKER_01]: It took like no time for them to be like, oh, no, this is going to stay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's done actually.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he will also not be on the team next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: My, uh, I'm still Merrill Kelly training because you can just figure, I know that's not necessarily, uh, that's not a pound for pound replacement for Carlos Rodon.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Michael, Michael King has nasty or stuff and he's, he's more of an ascending pitcher based on what he's been able to do over the last few years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Show to him in Aga, all star name recognition, um, kind of a high profile name unexpectedly hitting the free agent market.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_01]: attention there, I think a little bit more of a high profile trade candidate, a lot of people have been talking about him, if the cubs are going to shed payroll.

[SPEAKER_01]: All the options that become more and more talked about, generally, [SPEAKER_01]: be Yankees avoid them because if it's either market competition or open market competition or trademark competition, all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard a peep from anybody and Merrill Kelly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like not a peep.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand he's not really, it's not really the time to talk about him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have a contract option.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a trait candidate, but [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's sitting there.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's sitting there for free or not for free.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be illegal, but he's sitting there for two minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: If he was for free, he should be all over there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's real helpful and he costs no money.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, look, money.

[SPEAKER_01]: Money's the name of the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're gonna spend, what's Tyrone, Tyrone's making like 18-millimeter or something?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a four year, 68 million dollar deals.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's $4.17 a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say 14 because I can't do math.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, $7.20.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you're looking at Emanaga, that option that got, Declan was 15 or 16 mil.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at Michael King, who I think, well, Jack Flaherty just opted into a $20 million player option for 20.26.

[SPEAKER_01]: The price of pitching is the price of pitching, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like Marcus Strowman just made 18 million for the last two years.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the going rate for guys who have had solid careers, Marcus Drum and had a solid career.

[SPEAKER_01]: It fully fell apart in New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: His career is closer to being over than it is being revived, so like it just didn't work out.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're paying for a good picture, like a good picture, like someone who's like, this guy can be my [SPEAKER_01]: number three and a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not quite a number three.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely not a number four, but he's someone I can trust.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's $15 to $20 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then 25 and above is more your number two slash ace lead options.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, Merrill Kelly, I think falls in that 15 to 20 million dollar bucket.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it previously.

[SPEAKER_01]: Two years, 32 million just shut the door and be dumb with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have rotation depth.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have veteran presence.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have someone who's been proven in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's your answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you need to mess with the contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: The options are the trademarked, but what do I know?

[SPEAKER_00]: That is my favorite option, you know, I'm on record there as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just a sturdy game three starter, like I know what I'm getting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be surprised if I got something horrendous from Merrill Kelly playoff tested.

[SPEAKER_00]: You ever know if one year is the year where they just break, but I would trust Merrill Kelly and you would probably just have to pay the price of pitching to get him.

[SPEAKER_00]: before we move on the comments bringing up Martín Perez.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wouldn't say no to a $76 million martín Perez deal, but he did make four starts last year and he had, you know, severe, it was an elbow, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: He barely pitched.

[SPEAKER_00]: it was the elbow inflammation and a flexor strain and then his year just ended.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the highest chance of anyone we've mentioned so far where you just get to the end of the year and you got low eyes like you're like I paid six million the guy made one star this what is the what was this like he is better than Carlos Carrasco he is a usable viable tier as a veteran starter he will [SPEAKER_00]: If healthy, give you 125 innings of 4.2-year-old baseball, probably, but he's so far from healthy that my vote is no because he would loyze like you.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know that would hang him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, what happened to him?

[SPEAKER_00]: Conquise and elbow flexor strain.

[SPEAKER_00]: El inflammation and a flexor strain last year and it is season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a flexor strain could be Tommy Johnny.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's what Aaron judge had.

[SPEAKER_00]: So did he get surgery?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the white socks went with the buyout instead of paying him $10 million for next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could get him for six mil, but the question is literally like is he active?

[SPEAKER_00]: And so for that, we're just nice I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I get it, I like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's the Jose Kintana vibe, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's of that, it's of that ilk where you have someone who's been in the leap for a while, you have somebody who can eat, as experience eating innings, both of those guys have, you know, more, marching present as pitch for contenders.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not opposed to it, but like I said, [SPEAKER_01]: got to be available for the first two months of the season like it can't be in question if if if something unforeseen happens and elbow snaps a shoulder gives out like it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing we can do about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're talking about someone who was dealing with injuries last year, it's just it's not the risk they can take.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, moving on, we think you for the question, of course, drop by more comments more people you want us to talk about.

[SPEAKER_00]: We will talk about them up to Toronto where, look, you, we talked about Shane Bieber recently.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we wanted Shane Bieber this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I honestly, I thought he'd be a red sock after they looked in last year did not sign him, you danced around Cleveland, they sent him to Toronto, everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, one more.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was dancing around Cleveland, going to Great Lakes, brewing, and you don't know the one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's up in Toronto, and this is an off season where teams are going to be really hesitant to give out multi-year deals, big ones, given the lockout.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what the future financial state is going to look like.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of the league, it's probably not going to have a cap without a floor, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are also a bunch of lame, what's, I feel like there's a meme that corresponds to you that I can't think of, but it just like, there are going to be teams crying about the cap that are never going to be anywhere close to the cap.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like when people are like, Zoron's mayor, I'm leaving New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you're living high.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're living high, you're, you know, you're not in New York at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be teams like the Guardians who are like, can't give out a multi-year deal because of the cap, sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like you have a hundred, 12 million dollar payroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: But people aren't doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Bieber was set to earn, I saw projections up to like 20 million a year for like three, four year.

[SPEAKER_00]: You could have gotten like a four year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw a hundred million dollar contract projection for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, after what he did in the second half of this year, I think you get three years.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you get three years at 18, 19 million, at least.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're taking that security if you're Shane Bieber in your injured, typically.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he took just that one year, 16, he picked up the option to stay in Toronto.

[SPEAKER_00]: He took way less without any security through the lockout to stay with the Jays.

[SPEAKER_00]: His wife posted an Instagram at how warm and comforted they felt in Toronto.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the sole reason he went back?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it was a pretty big one.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's really no reason to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you love the team and city you're currently in.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was only there for a couple of months.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a cultural moment for Toronto.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you were thinking the year over year, they might not maintain that chemistry and whatever they distilled to become an underdog in the world series this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, a lot of guys are motivated to run it back and return that doesn't mean it will happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it means there's another team in the ALEs that people want to play on above all else putting their financial concerns aside, at least some people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Trevor Story opted in in Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he said, I feel like I owe this city this team, whatever, first taking with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's also got multiple years on that contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't like choose one year or go play in the deep end for multiple.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got like, it's too, I think, with another team option at the end of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not just saying, you know, one year, whatever, but still okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's Toronto.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the two teams in your division who also made [SPEAKER_00]: I want to stay we're building something and I'm not judging Cody Bellinger on the same parameters because he's he's got a 150 million to 200 million ahead of him, probably, but not for one second, did I think Cody Bellinger would opt in because nobody opt in Garrett Cole opted out last year and then, and then opted in because he's an elephant has asked dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Yankees actually absolutely out in here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's just kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gary, we didn't do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, they think Goons do his house.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but Gary, Gary opted out, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what people do.

[SPEAKER_00]: They opt out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whole obviously wanted to be a Yankee for life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Still opted out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Still tested the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Belinger, ostensibly enjoyed being Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we've heard, but still opting out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Still testing the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: People who could have vitally gone either way are sticking around the other ali's playoff contenders.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just, uh, yeah, I'd love to get back to a place where the Yankees are having that effect on people.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's one each in Toronto, one each in Boston, like the comments say, bring Don Maddenly back.

[SPEAKER_00]: He leaves Toronto.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that is interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there will be a disruption in their culture next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Their bench coach is gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a rumor John Sousberry tweeted that the fillies are considering bringing Don Maddenly as a bench coach.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the Yankees would.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love for them to open their arms to remember the family, especially one that just got as heartbroken for an division rival and then left that division rival.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a feather in somebody's cap, Donnie is moving on.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, beaver and story to maybe a lesser extent, definitely signaling a not a culture shift, but just an ongoing culture continuity thing that the Yankees are gonna have to deal with.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a big concern with [SPEAKER_01]: with the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a theme on this podcast that we talk about all the time where it's like nobody really won't, not nobody.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have blanket statements out there, but it feels like as the years go by, fewer and fewer players actually want to be members of the New York Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's either they want to avoid it all together because again, [SPEAKER_01]: It's just for the historical expectations and implications of world series and all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have the unforgiving media, you have the fan base that is dialed into every single inning and in the age of social media, it gets stressful.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gotta remember, we're 35, these players are in their mid 20s.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they've seen some more internet shit than we have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're on the outs of like, you know, paying attention to everything that's going on on Instagram and TikTok.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm there, but like, I'm not in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know what six seven is, and nobody does.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not in the depths of it all, but we see what's going on from a distance.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got our binoculars on.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're paying attention, we're not completely ignorant, [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot more people in the weeds and there are a lot more people who are conditioned to use social media a little bit more expansively in their lives and it could weigh on you so that's that and then lastly is I think the Yankees over the last 15 or so years just became a vessel for guys to get paid.

[SPEAKER_01]: go to New York you'll get the biggest fucking contract and then that's where you are and you're making all your money and then the Yankees drew a line in the sand and we're like you know what we're gonna kind of cap our spending we're not gonna go after the big big fish every year we're gonna be selective in our process [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, we're going to zig when everybody tries to make us an negotiating chip and things like that, so it's become more of a business oriented approach as opposed to like, and this sounds corny, but although the Yankees family, I'm part of the Yankees fabric.

[SPEAKER_01]: part of the Yankees culture like that just doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it died with CC subathea and Brett Gardner in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_01]: It could come back.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do love John Carlos Sant and I do love Aaron Judge.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we talk about all the time that there's something lacking.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the world is different.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I am not sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Shane Bieber doing this is cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Number one.

[SPEAKER_01]: I respect it number there's two other reasons that I believe he did this the first is he has I'm thinking he gave up the game losing world series and the the game losing hit in the world series Sure to give up the home run to well-smath so that weighs on you as a player as a competitor as somebody who You know battle through injuries and fought his way back and former soy on winner and all that like [SPEAKER_01]: competitive guy dedicated to the craft like excellent pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about how we wanted him at the trade deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blue Jay's got him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blue Jay's ripped the rewards.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get the final reward, but they got as close as you could possibly get to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They got reaped in the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bieber pitches hard out and unfortunate shitty ending for him and he did way more than he was asked for and honestly performed way above expectations after that trade deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: hard to really fault him for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I that that's weighing on him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was part of the contract decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, two is interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the Blue J's payroll, um, because this is, this is what I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, baseball reference payroll table, fun stuff, George Springer, free agent [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to need more pitching.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Kevin Gossman's leaving, Jose Boreos is not exactly who they thought he would be and he signed for three more years.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they are probably going to want to keep a veteran presence around Trayous Savage.

[SPEAKER_01]: And among the other younger players, I assume are coming up the pipeline.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bieber could be a perfect candidate for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Someone who can land a contract extension in season, [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the blue jays can avoid offseason problems with personnel and the lockout looming.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe they extend gossmen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is all, this is all, doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, Bieber has, uh, he's a year younger than gossmen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Or they could retain them both.

[SPEAKER_01]: They just they just got four home world series games Revenue is probably pumping off the charts and They might be able to just make it all happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I look at the payroll and the possibilities there and if Bieber really likes it and he is Kind of sending a message to the organization by doing this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the organization reciprocates and say hey Shane How's three more years?

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go up to 17 million here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I still can't believe we're talking about it and that the Blue Jays did not win the World Series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I keep thinking that they didn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wolf and Shane Beardill out of home run.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yes, the Yankees family may be overstated these days since the departure of C.C.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brett Gardner.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I was told last off season that the Metz were becoming a family.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, remember when Juan Soto signed, you remember Juan Soto right, um, he got a family sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Cohen was willing to do that and over backwards, do whatever he wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was an ESPN article gushing about the pursuit of Soto that said, sure the meta run like one of Steve Cohen's hedge funds, but actually it's the family atmosphere that redefines what it means to be a met and Steve Cohen involved family in the Juan [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, um, the master's lost two coaches to the Atlanta Braves this week, which like isn't what family does.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jeremy Heffer, the pitching coach got fired, flat fired.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so he obviously in a moment of indignity, signs with the Atlanta Braves, a value who'd pitch in coach, a guy with a good resume.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now he's a brave, but Antoine Richardson, [SPEAKER_00]: the base running coach and again we are not talking about Kyle Tucker we're not talking about someone obviously we're not talking about someone who can create a winning atmosphere out of nowhere because the meds choked all summer long and then fell out of the playoffs so who knows how much worse they would have been without it and it's one Richardson's base running acumen but they lost their first base coach the guy who wants to accredited for his 30-30 season [SPEAKER_00]: because he and the meds differed on his salary.

[SPEAKER_00]: The meds had like a benefits package that you know, they couldn't line up and apparently the meds really wanted him back, but not that much, I guess that's what we're calling family.

[SPEAKER_00]: These days, Richardson quote, I had a proposed salary with benefits included.

[SPEAKER_00]: The meds had a proposed salary with benefits included.

[SPEAKER_00]: We differed on the salary part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the end, apparently the Mets had already hired some coaches and were limited on the amount of funds they could pay him.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when he brought back a deal, they said we can no longer afford that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He went great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going straight to Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not a thing you do if you don't feel disrespected.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's why our role is Chapman's in Boston because he's claiming disrespect in New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's embarrassing that he's doing that, but he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, Mets, no money?

[SPEAKER_00]: Metz, no family, metz, no playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then what, what are they if they're not any of those things?

[SPEAKER_01]: I needed this to be funnier.

[SPEAKER_01]: I needed it to be like, they weren't offering dental.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, you got to be fucking kidding me.

[SPEAKER_01]: My teeth are terrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Steve, you know this.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've had these meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been asking for your teeth are a drain on our payroll and to on you know that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just got to get three more teeth, Steve.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to, three more crowns.

[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, he went to the braves, did he?

[SPEAKER_01]: He did.

[SPEAKER_01]: He went to the brave.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, crazy that like that's is that not sending a message like that's bad vibes in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you don't know the intricacies of the salary, but I can't imagine for a first base coach.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is use first base coach, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: weird in terms of but then again, it could have been, I'm not going to go full anytime that's here because I too feel bad for the meds.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think we gave the meds like we gave him one year of like, oh, you're the big dog.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have once out or now.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like I hope this year is so painful for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really is how hard it is to be where you're trying to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm again, now I feel bad for the meds.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it got dicey there with all the trash shocking unnecessarily too, because again, Yankees fans don't care.

[SPEAKER_01]: Generally, they're there's always the shit talkers, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: There's always the people on social media, there's always the infighting, but like, generally, if you pull Yankee fan, I'm confident if you pull Yankee fans, [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of their opinion on the mats, it would largely be neutral until this offseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's probably at an all-time high in terms of tension.

[SPEAKER_01]: But besides that, I think this could have potentially been a [SPEAKER_01]: known, Carl's Mendoza is staying and whatever else around him was the problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we've then they Yankees Aaron Boondet where they said, Oh, the team collapsed them was bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's replace the coaching staff two times over and leave the main guy in charge because obviously that will make the biggest difference.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been I've never coach professionally.

[SPEAKER_01]: I coach a little league a couple of years I never had to fire my hitting coach or throw my assistant into a dumpster, but You did it anyway.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how far the impact goes with the assistance and like if they're truly to blame but I would you know I would go as far to say that I don't think [SPEAKER_01]: um, that process necessarily works because again, we saw it happen two times over in New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's about to happen a third time in a mini version and that's with other people departing on their own.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so.

[SPEAKER_01]: if the Metz purposefully gave him a lower salary and said this could be our way of getting out of it without having to fire him because he tech-related and do anything wrong, but we wanna change.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I always think like that because it's the business of the game and there's always business tactics by the suits as you know, working in the corporate world.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that was it, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's hard to believe like Steve Cohen be in like a $20,000 raise Antoine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so my hedge fund will be doing $450 million last year So yeah, who knows, but he went to a rival.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Braids fans are going to be having fun with that this This season when they're inevitably quotes will come out, so we'll see what it comes from that [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was all in on the Braves after this and again, they're just like ditching their hopeful pence.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm like moderately on the Braves.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know what's going on in Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_00]: People got to pay somebody got to pay somebody like Cooper, Chris, well, can't be the biggest move today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Back to Boston, huge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Max Muncie's option just got picked up.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't get to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be a fun yanky state.

[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can they trade him to us?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they can sign Bragman.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be fine with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: $10 million is very affordable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, for I mean, again, I mean, the most inevitable thing that has ever happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would November 6th.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on record.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when the Red Sox trade Raphael Devers and a bunch of Boston fans said, that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm burning my jerseys.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll never support this team again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then a month later, they were better for a million reasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: For a million reasons that had very little to do with Devers and at the end of the year, if they'd had Devers, they might have beaten us in a playoff series or gone on a longer run.

[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, their record spike, as soon as they got rid of Devers and then Boston said, like, bro, actually he's the problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was like toxic in the locker.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually the best trade they ever made.

[SPEAKER_00]: To actually Craig Brezel is a genius.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm stapling my jersey back together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is going to happen again times two if they let Alex pregnant walk.

[SPEAKER_00]: After they told me all year long, oh, Bragman's the glue.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like telling the guys in the locker room that they should be trying to win.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's game changing for the Red Sox to have a guy in that locker room on that bench, who's like winning is good and losing is bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's completely changed some of their mindsets.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, he gets hurt, he comes back, he loses his power at 273, 18 homers, 128 OPS plus, very good, see a silver slugger finalist in the A, like third base.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the right year for the AL at third base, but Alex Breckman had two thirds of a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's going to he opted out.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to want 190 million for seven years.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the red socks aren't going to pay him that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a mortal lock that he leaves and red socks fans are like unbelievable ownership keeping out again, even after extending Anthony and Crochet.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: Christian Campbell and everybody you wanted to pay last year paying pregnant in the first place now ownership cheap again We have to disavow the Red Sox followed by the Red Sox starting 40 in 20 with Breggman somewhere else hitting 240 and no power wherever He chooses to go and Boston fans that being like actually genius genius move letting Breggman go I said it the whole time actually said it all along.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said this team will finally find their ceiling when they left Breggman go the opposite of what you were saying the whole time It's a mortal lock number six [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on record.

[SPEAKER_00]: One more thing we definitely wanted to touch on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on stock sort of.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on my head.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Red Sox Twitter just embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, congratulations to Cutter as King on doing the first Red Sox podcast that's 95% about the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that'll be a great list for all Red Sox fans out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yoshino Buyama Moto, we's back in the Yankees zeitgeist because he was the best picture in the world series of best pictures of the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Yankees, yes, they stopped the bidding at 325 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually a great example of what you were just talking about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Had there is usually more going on in the business than we know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, people are quick to jump down their throats when they offer 325 with creative optouts and the potential, you know, higher AAV, I think, but lower overall than the Dodgers offer.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Met's offered big, the Dodgers offered big.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers were able to offer big because of Tony deferred, so that suddenly freed up like 40 million of AAV they could play with and they used some of that to give you it should know.

[SPEAKER_00]: We y'all have a motor with huge contract offer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unsurprisingly, you went to LA to play with Showhail Otani after that happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: And still, everyone was like, hmm, House Diameter, sheeped out.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't want to offer him more than Garrett Cole Salary, which I guess, fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, what I've heard a lot is, you know, the Dodgers offered 325.

[SPEAKER_00]: House Diameter should just offered 400 and been like, take it or leave it.

[SPEAKER_00]: not not how it works and then John Hammond finally to clear we all knew this.

[SPEAKER_00]: We all knew there was more going and how StarMeter talked about how they thought it was competitive offer and all yanky fans are like you bitch it wasn't competitive even though it was right at the top of the market like sometimes they can't say anything but they'll just be chastised like sometimes they need to be wrecked and sometimes they're just talking and those quotes don't need to be destroyed [SPEAKER_00]: John Hammond quote this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: No New York fans.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing yanks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Met's could have done around about signing Yamamoto.

[SPEAKER_00]: Once L.A.

also bid high their faiths were sealed.

[SPEAKER_00]: heard early in process he preferred to go west.

[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to shohyotani and shout out to Yamamoto's Dodgers fandom, which we learned about afterwards.

[SPEAKER_00]: was never going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: We knew that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And how Steinredder did not want to come out last year and be like he said he wanted to go to the Dodgers early in the process.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what am I supposed to do?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I lose leverage.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to play nice with the agent.

[SPEAKER_00]: You say stuff like we made a competitive offer and you know we didn't get the guy because that's what you did make a competitive offer and you didn't get the guy with the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: were inevitable, always had been always will be and when Otoni deferred his money, it made it easy to slide Yamamoto in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish it had to tend less of a circus because we didn't need another 12 days.

[SPEAKER_00]: We should have just had the double announcements the same night when Otoni should just brought Yamamoto out of his press conference.

[SPEAKER_01]: They should have walked out like the tag chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the stepbrothers interview.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's out behind him.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's here now too, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: What does this guy do?

[SPEAKER_01]: I've had conflicting thoughts on this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And early on, I was pro Yankees because I said, the guy's ever pitched an MLB before.

[SPEAKER_01]: They offered him a $300 million contract, they gave him a higher A, they gave them opt-outs for during his prime.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, everything was there for the Yankees to make that quote unique offer, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then when it came out, he was a Dodgers fan, we said, okay, like, they kind of did their best to make the offer more unique outside of, again, going to $400 million for a guy who's never Christian MLB.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then I said, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He apparently had good interviews with the Yankees and enjoyed meeting with the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: That those are reports that were said.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Yankees drew a hard line at 300 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the House time runner, quote, resurface again this off season, where he was asked, okay, did you not think going up to 325 million would matter in terms of getting him or over that?

[SPEAKER_01]: And he just point blanks said, I think our $300 million offer was very fair and good.

[SPEAKER_01]: and you didn't expand upon it beyond that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So with that point, you read the context clues and you said, oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, you fucking drew a line in the sand and you played hardball and you lost hardball.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're being asked valid questions about what happened, why didn't you get them?

[SPEAKER_01]: And could you have gone to greater lengths and you're either being vague or you're leaving it open for interpretation that you had an idea and that idea was not going past this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as we've seen, not going past a certain point has hurt this team in a multitude of free agent, chases and trade deals.

[SPEAKER_01]: The tariffs on the trades, the Yankees are getting killed and trade deals.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then, you question, okay, you scouted this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You really liked this guy, Brian Cashman, what did you pan to watch this guy?

[SPEAKER_01]: The relationship here was clearly moving in the right direction.

[SPEAKER_01]: So did you actually ruin it by not offering more money?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think those questions are valid.

[SPEAKER_01]: And John Hayman, who I believe he's very connected to New York's words, he's very connected to the Yankees front office, he's very connected to Scott Boris.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of those are good sources to have when you're talking about these topics.

[SPEAKER_01]: If he is telling me that there is nothing the Yankees could have done, then so be it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have to put it to rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's harder, yes, to reconcile with it all, because Yamamoto just, that was a performance Yankees fans would literally commit a crime to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the Yankees fans who were too young to appreciate 2009 or who have been alive most of their adult lives to see all of the heart breaks since 2001, they would commit varying degrees of affelony to watch what Yoshinogu Yamamoto did for the Dodgers throughout this world series.

[SPEAKER_01]: on the Yankees and around yes now you're trying to cope and you're saying oh my god they love this guy they they they they knew he was going to be this good and they still said only 300 million ridiculous but guess what now we know i think we have the closest confirmation to it all even if the Yankees went to 350 he was probably still the same with the Dodgers 375 maybe objectively crazy offer that's the highest pitching contract by [SPEAKER_01]: 55 million off 52 million dollars or whatever like again for a guy who's never pictured MLB that it's it's tough So put it to bed Yankees fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was mad about it at first [SPEAKER_01]: and I've had conflicting feelings about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, nothing that can be done.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're pairing there.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to have a larger conversation about the Yankees, we're pairing their overall image with free agents and big name players who want to come to New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: and secure a championship for the city and make that their personality and their identity for the life of the contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then yes, we can talk about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Yamamoto had other ideas in mind in the Yankees felt that and decided to go with the different contract offered to see if it would sway him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's with the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is life right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for all of you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get Aquimono, see what you can do.

[SPEAKER_00]: A tariff scuba, we're going to eventually eclipse that contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this is life.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like we have a long wake up.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a long Aussie's in the head of us for the New York Aggies.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, long way to go in terms of rebuilding the Aggies to a championship level.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not long going to go in terms of life, which is far too short.

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Kyle Tucker over Belly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to exhaust Tucker before you go for Belly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, but I do think Yikes are probably already exhaust and Tucker said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's November six.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Kyle Tucker shows up at the winter meetings in a gas mask, smoking weed, like Laramie Tundcell, maybe his value will plummet to the level where he aches important, but I do think probably price down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Although I saw finally, like, the cut I saw, I think it was nine gales or who knows, but it was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Cubs will wish him well as he seats a contract over 300 million and I was like wait I thought it was over 400 million so over 300 million 320 y'all a moto money is Kyle Tucker allowed to make more money than Gary Cole How do you let us know because like I don't know I would do that I'm a little worried about Kyle Tucker, but I would do that Well all that and more continue bringing us your questions talk about it next week of beyond here in the