[SPEAKER_02]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, Adam Lyon-Rib, and Thomas Heron-Nante.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the Yanks Go Yard Podcasts, and Madam Water, alongside Thomas Caron-Nante, don't worry, brand-casts are going to be at the GM meetings, his flights just delayed by several days and not booked.

[SPEAKER_02]: The GM meetings are wrapping up.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are here boots on our ground in our apartments in the trice day area.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're nowhere close to Las Vegas.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fabulous Las Vegas where GMs were all the dice and accomplished absolutely nothing.

[SPEAKER_02]: The GM meetings are for listening to Scott Boris, which we used to do with the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_02]: We used to be a proper country.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing that early in mid-Dovember listening to Scott Boris' fun fest?

[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody giving him credit for the Cody Belinger top gun puns.

[SPEAKER_02]: from San Diego.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's of no relation to Tom Cruise or Miles Teller or Daniel Stern or Anthony Edwards or anyone in Top Gun.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know why we needed an iceman need for belly or whatever, whatever the quotes were.

[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't make any sense to me but congratulations to the Scott Moore's pun writing team.

[SPEAKER_02]: Brian Cashwin did have some availability this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: did speak to the media.

[SPEAKER_02]: We learned a little bit more about the Yankees plans.

[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't take much reading between the lines.

[SPEAKER_02]: It got a couple of tidbits of information.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although we do wish he had been there to again, lay some groundwork, lay some blueprints.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever gets done during this period of time, the rumors come and go this morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was a note that said the release mark was going to move super quick.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like an hour later, there was a note that said, I don't know what that note means and then nobody's signed.

[SPEAKER_02]: So no real movement.

[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you consider Oscar Marine going to coach in Cincinnati, unless you consider there was a really insignificant royal trade right that I've already forgotten.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: No rules and A's royals and I don't know Nick Anderson went somewhere either way.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Yankees are are inactive this week, but so same with everybody else.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll learn more, but we do have some cash from quotes to break down at the very least I'm out of wine room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: With Tom Scare not to, Thomas, welcome to the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was Royals Giants.

[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Mason Black had to look at that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's someone, noteworthy.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's whoever that is, I don't know who that is.

[SPEAKER_02]: They are gonna be recording the final out of the world series next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Scott Bores stuff, the pun.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the puns, the puns have been around for a while, did he like, maybe back in the day, he seriously hired like a creative writer.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I need you to like give me some punchy stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it ended up being so bad that he considered firing the writer or writers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then realized that after the first or second time that had happened, it was becoming a staple [SPEAKER_00]: being part of his identity as an agent, and then he was like, nope, you're hired full-time benefits, the whole nine.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was worse than ever, though, because a taric barrack.

[SPEAKER_02]: Taric barrack, like he's doing scooble a year ahead of free agency, like he clearly was like, I'll do my best scooble stuff next winter, but I'll do the B-Rate stuff this winter.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then like he couldn't even keep a consistent theme, Alex Braggman, he was like, nobody wants a Bragg.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exit, and it was like, okay, so we're doing like British humor, but then the whole thing was about Boston coffee, which like I don't get his famous, but is anyone like, oh, yeah, I got to get that great Boston coffee, not to me, which led to a bunch of people being like, is this a phrase I don't know, like Boston was a real dark roast last year, and it's like, no, it's just, it's got for us going for a real sea minus to discuss Alex pregnancy and pending for agency, like a Scott and improv.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he pulled a gun out of it when you're dropping the lawns out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Get me a lawns out of here just doing like a literation.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, Polar Pete is precipitously powerful.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even puns.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like other linguistic characteristics.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, again, I thought this happened at the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why we used an hour and a half to talk about Boris this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's why Brian Cashen didn't show up, because I wouldn't want to be there either.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cashman not showing up was funny stuff because [SPEAKER_00]: it came out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was reported that he wasn't showing up in people like are you kidding me he's not going to show up and then like Aaron Boone wasn't going but I don't know if it's customary for managers to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then like David prices there like it's always weird there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Always a bizarre collection of people but for cashmen to not be there for the first time in his career felt weird and it felt like at the time before you knew anything it felt like [SPEAKER_00]: dodging facing the music.

[SPEAKER_00]: And after another early exit, after another season where one of the Yankees rivals made it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, further than they did, not to mention game seven of the world series and honestly a series of felt like they should have won.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot to answer and we saw how things reached a boiling point two years ago when they missed the playoffs and questions around Anthony Bobie's rookie season.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're swirling and then Cashman went off on Joel Sherman.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you sat there and you were like, you got to be kidding me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, not going is attracting more negative attention than actually going and like doing what you did two years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: learn that a personal issue popped up for cashmen according to the New York Post and that limited him to doing stuff via via zoom and virtually so hope everything's all right on his front hopefully not unfortunate but it didn't sound like it was too grave so Yankees fans were taken for a loop there for a second they were angering there were apologetic but [SPEAKER_00]: He'm not being there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think of the grand scheme of things really matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: This seems like a relatively tame GM meetings anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are more procedural than anything and I think like more times than not, it's you're looking for that dramatic, you know, response to a reporter as something to respond to rather than it actually being useful information.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the only thing I saw out of the winter meetings that actually made me [SPEAKER_00]: Like, respond as a fan in my head was like, Jed Hoyer saying, show to Eman August contract option did not match up with the value that they believed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then at that point as a comes fan, I'd be like, you gotta be kidding me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like $16 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like outside of that, this is just them laying the groundwork for what's to come over the next month, month and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we did get some good information.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got some good information.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cashman spoke to reporters about a multitude of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not discussing any of the other stuff where the reporters are asking questions about the fans, talking about the Yankees being too analytical and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done with the Yankees responding to this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the fact that they're even responding to it just makes me feel like they feel the need to defend their poor processes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it just, like, I don't care what they have to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: everything's up to Aaron in the dugout.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, okay, so you're being criticized for your analytical approach, but you're saying it's not [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an analytical approach that's holding you back, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all up to the manager.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great, then it's bad managing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what people have been complaining about for a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So either way, it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something is bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something's not working.

[SPEAKER_00]: And whether the Yankees are gonna deflect us in either direction, literally at the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_00]: All that matters is that they're getting further and further away from the goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll save that conversation for another day today is [SPEAKER_00]: hopeful reports of Belinger returning cashmen said that that's arguably their number one priority.

[SPEAKER_00]: Belinger is right up there in terms of what they need.

[SPEAKER_00]: They acknowledge how important he was to their rebound year over year after losing Juan Soto.

[SPEAKER_00]: talked about how his presence in the lineup helped uplift Aaron Judge, for example, it helped give the lineup a different profile than they've been used in the last few years.

[SPEAKER_00]: His versatility don't need to mention it much more, all three outfield positions and first base going to be incredibly valuable even as he ages and Boris kind of said the same thing said this is a great fit New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: The two sides would like for it to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Boris is not usually that, I would say candid for most people, especially when he's trying to play the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, I think he knows that Bellinger is gonna get a good amount of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not entirely worried.

[SPEAKER_00]: He knows that his market is all of the bigger spending teams.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't really have to be too concerned about maybe floating the Yankees as an early destination because he knows the Yankees are gonna have to pay up anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: but it was at least good to hear these two comments from two different instrumental people in this process because the Yankees, it's hard to envision them losing Belinger and getting better because they also though they downgraded to Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can we call it a downgrade?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was objectively a downgrade, but the areas that Belinger helped reinforce [SPEAKER_00]: almost made it a one for one swap in some respect.

[SPEAKER_00]: On the whole, no, but for what the Yankees needed in terms of defensive reinforcement, versatility, leadership, different approach at the plate, it was it was an 80% recovery from Juan Soto in my opinion, and the Yankees know that Scott Boris knows that Cody Bones are like the Yankees, so to wrap this up, get the fillies out of the [SPEAKER_02]: It still feels like it's going to take freaking forever, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe, you know, again, who knows?

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the Yankees are able to get this wrapped up quickly.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's got Boris does help.

[SPEAKER_02]: He hurts a lot of teams.

[SPEAKER_02]: He does not hurt the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he hurts the Yankees by extracting money from them.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they love him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He loves them.

[SPEAKER_02]: He uses them when they don't want to be involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: They give him permission to use them.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're often involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: They often have intimate conversations with Scott Boris.

[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously with the player's camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: that I think somewhat perceived the player hitting the open market.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cashman basically saying, I mean, we'd be better served we could retain him as the most he's admitted in a long time that he intends to retain a player.

[SPEAKER_02]: And for a long time, the Aggies didn't lose out on the players that they actively hoped to retain.

[SPEAKER_02]: Juan Soto was a break in that mold, but Juan Soto was also making $800 million.

[SPEAKER_02]: Boris talking up, Bellinger's ability to fit in big market cities.

[SPEAKER_02]: What is the point of emphasis that stood out to me?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because even if this is going to drag on, it's going to drag on, including the Yankees, meds, fillies, Dodgers, and not many other teams.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I don't think you're going to get a wild card in the Bellinger mix.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think if we read that there was a mystery team or the race or reds were involved, we would stop at it, we would not believe it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cody Bellinger feels fat.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going back to Chicago.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he feels faded for New York in one borough or another Philly or an LA reunion.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I would rank those in order of likelihood at New York, New York, Philly, LA.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I would say the Aggies are the favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think this market's gonna be restricted.

[SPEAKER_02]: The dragon lurking is that Bellinger's been on the free agent market over and over again.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a great year.

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have a one soda year.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not an MVP finalist.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he was fantastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like any egg you fan would argue with saying our next generation, including Cody Belinger, not a bad thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a chance that this deal sucks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sores a little high.

[SPEAKER_02]: Start to making you think of DJ Limey who's second contract.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for now, he's young.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's versatile.

[SPEAKER_02]: He had a five star year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like Scott Bores said.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's been on the market multiple seasons.

[SPEAKER_02]: In a row, and has never had, it's been a while since he's been non-tender.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's been putting up either, the season Chicago where he was a little above average.

[SPEAKER_02]: Taints us a little bit, but he's entered for ages after great seasons before.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is this really the year that he gets the seven year, $180 million offer, like year four, [SPEAKER_02]: the opportunity way well down the line or is this just another year where he doesn't quite get what he wants and it's coming in closer to 100 to 110 120 and then it comes down to geographical preference and that seems to be the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_02]: That I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is worth also throwing in the weird ass Ben Nicholson Smith quote here because a lot of people are rightly claiming that [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Tucker's market is going to come down to the Dodgers or Cubs.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen some things about how the Dodgers don't want to go long-term On Tucker and and they're not going to get him if they don't go long-term on Tucker.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they do Basically saying they're not going to get him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that they've never seen his price Harper deal that they offered and Yeah, we're in the same seven of the Dodgers who want so to last year like ultimately I do think the Dodgers have the lowest bid on one so to last year And we're probably the least interested of all teams on one so to last year, but [SPEAKER_02]: Bend Nicholson Smith, some plugged in people say the Yankees seem far more likely than the Blue Jays to blow him out of the water.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a Toronto reporter responding to the insistence that it's going to come down to the Dodgers of Blue Jays.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the golden opportunity for them to finally win a bidding war with the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Make that news.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's also been something about how the Yankees are going to [SPEAKER_02]: blow the blue jays out of the water for a high end reliever.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't I don't see Kyle Tucker as an obstinate in New York.

[SPEAKER_02]: The belligerent thing feels somewhat inevitable.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to drag on longer than we wanted to.

[SPEAKER_02]: These quotes reinforce that like didn't even even ask cashman about Kyle Tucker, like not not in the middle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where Kyle Tucker's going, really.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, last episode, I wondered if he would take a one year $40 million deal from the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, BlueJace could be an option.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have World Series revenue now, and they just gave out a $500 million contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how it fits in with what the Yankees are doing, but can't rule it out until it's all done, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of spending, some good spending news, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: We said the Yankees weren't going to give Trent Grish from the qualifying offer.

[SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yankees were right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Brian.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought that it was silly because the risk reward was, have a $22 million one-year deal on the books or get a late fourth round pick in return if he signs elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then we thought that also meant, okay, if they're offering him this much money, which is essentially near the equivalent of what he's earned for his entire career to date, um, he might be inclined to take it, which means they're looking at the Cody Belinger market and they're saying, this isn't looking good for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those were easy first conclusions to draw based on A, Christians track record and historical earnings.

[SPEAKER_00]: B, the market surrounding Belinger, and the fact that you keep hearing he's going to earn closer and closer to $200 million, which [SPEAKER_00]: you would think takes the Yankees out of the running, but on that note, Brian Cashman said that, well, first of all, Trent Grishman reportedly is going to decline the QO.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we all got master class by Cashman and the Yankees are apparently going to get this fourth round draft pick, which, how the Luyah, nice job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, he said yesterday that Grishman accepting the qualifying [SPEAKER_00]: So, one that's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: That means they're willing to spend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two, that means they're considering essentially running back the same roster, which again, we weren't opposed to two and a half months ago, but we saw how things ended and I just don't know how I feel anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the answer is.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many free agents available that would, [SPEAKER_00]: I think tip the scales for the Yankees trade market at a friend's story.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got Byron boxed in potentially waving his no trade clause if the twins continue to tear down.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be interesting, but I guess at the very least, it's good that spending might not be too much of, [SPEAKER_00]: An issue for the generally it's not again.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just know they have those Markers in place where they say we're going up to this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're stopping Brian Cashman said House Steinburner did not give him an ultimatum on a number and that the payroll situation is always fluid Then again Action speak louder than words.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have remained at the same threshold of the payroll for however long they [SPEAKER_00]: Decrease payroll after acquiring John Carlos Stanton during Aaron judges rookie surge in 2017 and from 2017 to 2019.

[SPEAKER_00]: So until I guess the Yankees blast through the colon tax, we will believe what they have to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: Other note is this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if the league is truly concerned about going into a lockout, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, after the 2026 season, um, and there is potential work stoppage, which would mean teams are not paying players because, you know, we saw what happened in 2020 with the COVID season.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was the per rated salaries and all that could the Yankees being client to spend more this off season, knowing that next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could either, one of two things, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they make a world series run in 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have some revenue for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could pay it into the next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or God forbid, in early exit, there might be a work stoppage, and they might be saving a few million dollars to start 2027, like I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just something I thought of.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that they haven't got a mandate on the payroll just yet, just reading between the lines, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I [SPEAKER_00]: Good job by Cashman on the on the Grisham qualifying off where I guess if we're going to get a draft pick out of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great if we sign Grisham to a multi year deal, that's a reasonable AV.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to that either, but there's a lot that's so needs to be figured out.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be three years though, like if the he's pulling Aaron Hicks and try to get ahead of Grisham's future by giving him a six or seven year deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, that is an absolute no good three years fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I will welcome if we can lower the A V below 22, three years at 50 or something like fine and you should be tradable.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the playoff showed me that Trent Christian was going to fall off the face of the earth.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it should be forgotten how clutchy was, how key he was to the way that the Yankees surged late in the summer when it seemed like their season was over.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of the ten biggest hits of the year, I feel like [SPEAKER_02]: 7 out of 10 or him and judge like it was belligerent slam against the mats.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was Grisham over and over again.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was Grisham with the bases loaded.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was Grisham in Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was Grisham in Houston like I will forever be thankful for what he did.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, we got to the playoffs and the lineup construction did not make as much sense anymore and he was not a lead off hitter anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the Aggies needed someone they could go to there and the best they had was Paul Goldschmitt and he is also not a lead off-hitter.

[SPEAKER_02]: The lineup was busted.

[SPEAKER_02]: A-Rod got guff for saying a couple of days after picking the Aggies to win the world series that this is the most poorly constructed roster you'd ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And rightfully so those are two silly diametrically opposed things to say.

[SPEAKER_02]: But when he said that, he believed in the Aggies [SPEAKER_02]: returning to form at the start of the series and then he watched them get exposed and underman and not have a traditional lead off hitter and not have a true bottom of the order and not have contributors.

[SPEAKER_02]: Up and out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I disagree that it was like the worst construction roster you'd ever seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do understand why watching Grisham and the lead off spot get exploited by playoff pitching in Toronto did change his view point.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was the first time all year I couldn't trust [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So running it back, I think watching Grishon get the QO, watching Bell and Ruby the Yankees focus.

[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to bring both back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it would not be.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you're talking about Yankee families, you're talking about the Yankee's going from one photo and the world series to plan B and the ALDS this fall.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they take a step back, fans are already notably on edge about, and that's before you even check who's available this offseason.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then the reality hits that if they're gonna make serious upgrades are gonna have to get really creative.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Tucker, people you already had, and some, you know, again, the early Clemente of the world, it could make a huge difference signing Austin Hayes, but it's not going to change the tenor of the offseason if you get Austin Hayes and bring Ryan Yarbro back.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an Austin isn't that set up.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have a central focus.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does not have a Soto.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like Kyle Tucker is the best player available.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Schworber, an amazing and an LMPP finalist.

[SPEAKER_02]: Alex Breggman, a top tier third baseman.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there definitely is nobody out there who is just like this slam dunk superstar generation old talent changing the teams trajectory like if Kyle Tucker signs at the Yankees, it's a great player is a top 15 20 player in the AL by most metrics, but he is not he's an awkward fit with Aaron judge is going to have to play center field or DH or first base he's not play off tested.

[SPEAKER_02]: he's playoff tested and failed.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's coming off his worst year in major injury plagued one in which he had to be benched and shielded from criticism in Chicago and taken off the field and under surgical repair for Nixon bruises like great player.

[SPEAKER_02]: But [SPEAKER_02]: definitely not the kind of acquisition that the whole fanbase can rally around and watch ever update and watch planes land.

[SPEAKER_02]: When you're watching Manima Chotto get photoshopped on the board of the 80s stadium and price harpers out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why is no inciting brace harbour?

[SPEAKER_02]: If Kyle Tucker lasts till March is anybody shocked?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like to me, no, so I don't think it's a coincidence that in an offseason where two big targets or players we already had and failed with technically speaking last year and the upgrades are either not coming here like cash where we're in Breggman, not on the table or Kyle Tucker who.

[SPEAKER_02]: He gets here and you've got a lot of what's next and you've got a lot of immediate questions.

[SPEAKER_02]: You've got a lot of Yankee haters turning that edition of the payroll against you.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's going to be a strange offseason until there's that one super creative Brian Cash from move, which if they're going to make a leap is necessary.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not saying it's going to happen, but there's not going to be a lot of flag waving and [SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, not on my radar.

[SPEAKER_02]: How many of the top 10 prospects we give up to and at a 24, like, all right, I can do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's when people will buckle in and get on board.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that doesn't occur, if it's bringing back Bellinger, Gershme, I mean, it might be the right call, but it's definitely not gonna rally everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am once again asking for Zack Neto.

[SPEAKER_00]: is it too hard?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it too much?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Angels probably want to keep them, but him changing the agencies earlier in this offseason kind of just telegraphed the fact that he was going to be looking for a billion dollars when his time comes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if the Yankees could get [SPEAKER_00]: him for his two or three years of controller or whatever it was, it could vindicate them of the Anthony Volpi issues and then just give them a all-around really good baseball player.

[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Adele is such a classic cashman thing to like it feels like Aaron Hicks forward top prospect flashes except if the defense is terrible, but it may be think about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, look, you have the twins.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned boxed in.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez could be out the door there too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, it's, who were like the other, who were the other teams at the deadline that didn't sell that?

[SPEAKER_00]: were, or didn't sell as a grant like the twins were one of them, they sold, but they didn't sell everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then every year at the deadline, there's just these teams trying to assess what their near-term future is going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing a lot of them just hold on to a portion of their assets for the offseason because they want to see maybe what happens for the remainder of the next two months.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they know that the market might materialize a little [SPEAKER_00]: players with multiple years of control when the offseason arrives, arrives.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, Marlons, the Marlons president talked about Sandial Contra.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was asked about trade stuff that he kind of skirted.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, yeah, then we're trying to win now.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to build a contender.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sandie's a really good pitcher and then that was just that.

[SPEAKER_00]: so I'm not really sure where they stand on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, if the Yankees need anything, it's bullpen, and if they need anything on the position player side, it's of the clon characteristic of the neto characteristics.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully, Cashman yanks that rabbit right out of a hat, but I don't know what they're looking at.

[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of other rumors, Devon Williams, our [SPEAKER_00]: guy, best friend, a best friend, former trade acquisition, a lot of teams interested in him, Red Sox popped up yesterday, Dodgers popped up a few days ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dodgers are Dodgers feel like it's just going to happen because there's all these rumors circulating them with high leverage relief.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're big as proud.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they survived the world series with the bullpen that they [SPEAKER_02]: And now every year last year, they survived and thrived in the world series against us with nobody out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Literally nobody.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had their, they, they pushed their starters to the brink to avoid the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem with their bullpen right now is to had, they actually tried to address things.

[SPEAKER_00]: They tried to pay people, Blake trying and making a lot of money, Tanner Scott making a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: And.

[SPEAKER_00]: With they were rumored in on Edwin Diaz, they were rumored in on who's the other big option why am I forgetting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this year's last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this year was DS and somebody else's.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Trada or Robert Schmartner as for tomorrow as yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they're rumored on those guys and it's just like, are they really going to pay a third guy to come in and like, we, we, we know relievers are probably the most fungible asset in the league.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those are guys who won year, they're great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next year, it's like, what even had even Edwin Diaz.

[SPEAKER_00]: You look at Edwin Diaz is, [SPEAKER_00]: baseball reference page, it's like 5-year-a-1-year 1.42, the next year, 3.98, the next year, 1.76, and it's like, it doesn't matter how good you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are the most susceptible to this type of downturn year over year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, are the Dodgers really going to give Edmund Diaz 80 million dollars?

[SPEAKER_00]: when they know his track record are they really going to pay Robert Svorez who's in his mid 30s all that money like i'd it'd be they have the money to do it it'd be crazy but deven Williams feels like the perfect soft landing because he might not be commanding a long-term deal given the year that he just had in New York um...

[SPEAKER_00]: and it might be a shorter turn deal so they might be able to get away with okay we'll pay him 20 million buddies coming off the books next year so then we'll have the flexibility the Yankees mindset.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that the Red Sox came up in there in the Devon Williams rumors has my eyebrows all the way raised.

[SPEAKER_02]: Unshocking.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still feel like it's going to be it's he's such a classic ray and we said that all year, but now he's probably priced out of what the rays can do, I guess.

[SPEAKER_02]: The red socks don't even want a bullpen guy, but they want Devin Williams like just that's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, poor hot chocolate sauce on my face like why not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like they have so many needs are going to have they're going to have a great off season.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get Alonzo or Schwerber probably.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say they let Breggman walk more likely than not.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would actually be relieved if it's Breggman instead of Schwerber or Alonzo, but we will see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess what happens in Boston.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be good.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's now we're past the point of [SPEAKER_02]: I hope the Red Sox don't get good because they just have a whole bunch of random guys on the roster and Roman Gonzalez is the world series of VP.

[SPEAKER_02]: This year, they're going to have a lot of talent, young talent and free agent talent.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're going to be a forced to be reckoned with.

[SPEAKER_02]: You no longer are sitting here going, I don't understand it.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one there and they're still beating us now.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're playing the game.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be a top five [SPEAKER_02]: at least top 10 team and baseball.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be a nervous playoff team.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be forecast to do great things.

[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely there would be very just very annoying, classic cherry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Earl just shabbing out sigh young votes this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like what more do we have to say?

[SPEAKER_02]: And in my opinion, how did argument to win it?

[SPEAKER_02]: If a reliever is ever going to win it is a role to shabbing this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: A reliever is never going to win it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: But [SPEAKER_02]: If he was ever going to be the guy who didn't give a hit for like a month and a half Earl's champion was great this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, put a spoon in my mouth and put a hot cherry in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the Dodgers have always made them most sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, I mean, they're paying Tanner Scott for a future that he might not have.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tanner Scott, I think, had butt surgery in the comment in an Instagram comment.

[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote, like, ready for next year, new Peach emoji or whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't want to think about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he got a bunch of complaints.

[SPEAKER_02]: He only got a BBL and he's ready to come back strong for 2026.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they're paying him in perpetuity.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kirby Aates was terrible as you're, he's off the books.

[SPEAKER_02]: Robert Suarez for three years, 56 or Edwin DS for four years, 92, or Devon Williams who was really good in August the 10th or October.

[SPEAKER_02]: Most of August, not all of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's September, October, for one year, 17.5, two years, 29 with an option or an escalators.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I mean, I would pay that.

[SPEAKER_02]: A team with Riches should pay that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely, he didn't enough this year, been in the eighth inning.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not penciling him into the closer role, but I'll sign him, the Yankees were not signing him, but a good team with money that doesn't want a long-term [SPEAKER_02]: And someone who could definitely take over in a precious situation, I'll never know what happened to Devon Williams when he was so uncomfortable for two and a half week stretches.

[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like he'd never pitch before and then he'd snap back into reality and got it back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I don't have to think about it anymore, but you definitely, whatever the market rate is for that, I think you pay it if you're a wealthy team and the Dodgers are in need of that guy on a short term basis, they should absolutely sign Devon Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he fits perfectly kind of what they do closer by committee.

[SPEAKER_00]: They never really have one guy like it was Kenley Jansson for a while and then after Kenley Jansson left it was All right, we're just going to get a bunch of guys who can handle high leverage and we'll ride the hot hand in any given [SPEAKER_00]: month week or whatever, and that might help Devon Williams a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of did that with Devon Williams this year They glued him to the closer role and then they realized, oh, not working got to take him out and then when he was being flexed in between Okay, handle handle the ninth.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can't this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna put you in the seventh.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to try not to put you in high leverage, but if we go to extra innings, you're going to have to.

[SPEAKER_00]: So just be prepared for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you really suck, you're going to the sixth.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that helped Devon Williams get back on track.

[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he, look, I don't know, some of these players are small market dudes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know what Devon Williams is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had enough [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know enough about Devin Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: He spent most of his career with the Brewers.

[SPEAKER_00]: He went to the worst possible singular destination in order to handle a closer role on a one-year basis.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is no worse team than the Yankees to play shortstop or to be closer.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's over once you come here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he had nothing to prove beyond this year in New York put him in a box because it was like if you have a bad month, you're done.

[SPEAKER_00]: it's over you already made your impression if you cost the team x amount of games you've already made your impression and like we talked about many times the only way that he was going to be able to salvage his reputation with the city and the fans was going on a nuclear world series run and they didn't even come close to doing that so maybe he can handle LA in this versatile version of [SPEAKER_00]: reliever that he experienced this year for the first time in his career, essentially.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I would say we're not seeing Devin Williams again, unless we are playing against him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not coming back to New York, but what if we get pulse gains?

[SPEAKER_02]: What have we got Paul Scheme?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the most fun we may have all of season.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just talk about how there's going to be kind of a malaise.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's because it's familiar names.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It might take a long time just to bring Belinger back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so if we do get Belinger, we do a like, Belinger's back show.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like people are going to be like, I know about him already.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know what he does.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the most fun we might have is Randy Miller talking to an anonymous Pirates teammate who like, all right, [SPEAKER_02]: just like all the back is this a real guy at anonymous pirate um yeah anonymous pirate uh 14% I don't think it's an anonymous pirate's player I think it's what Google Docs tells you when an unauthorized email is viewing a doc like anonymous pirate [SPEAKER_02]: upon his hippo or whatever, like I don't think it's a dude, but according to Randy Miller, also Randy Miller, just like walking around the GM meetings like an assassin.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like we told you nothing interesting happens at these unless Brian Cashman happens to pop off and get pressured.

[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, you got Randy Miller, approaching Ben Charington, going Paul Schains' teammate, who I won't reveal the identity, and he says he wants to be a egg egg.

[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about that, Ben Charington?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what the fuck are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not supposed to be talking about this today.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben chairington had already gone on record saying Paul schemes is here for 26.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you guys know what Paul schemes means.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're not doing that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Count me among those who are like, hey, team, the pirates might be kind of good.

[SPEAKER_02]: All they have to do is spend 25 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do not have to spend a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're not a monster's overall.

[SPEAKER_02]: Paul schemes and Connor Griffin and Connor Griffin should be up this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ben Charington said it not a lot of teams fail with a pitcher and a hit or this good.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, bring them all on correctly.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there's a there's a minor league core.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much pitching.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just give me two veterans and two bullpen arms.

[SPEAKER_02]: The pirates might actually be good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Randy Miller still walking around.

[SPEAKER_02]: with a live grenade saying that one of Paul schemes Pirates teammates has Paul knows that the Pirates are cooked has no faith in leadership or ownership, which they're not of us really have faith in Pirates ownership and the faith in Pirates leadership isn't that much greater, but that Paul is just walking around the locker room going, I don't like it here, I don't like what they do, I don't like what they're about, and guess where I want to go, the Yankees, like I guess he's not in the locker room saying this, but he gets together with his anonymous teammate enough.

[SPEAKER_02]: that this comes up all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: There were rumors that screens that is an Anaheim guy, eventually wants to get to the angels.

[SPEAKER_02]: Free agency is going to be lucrative for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the pirates are going to keep Paul schemes for life, but I'm pretty confident that Paul schemes isn't walking around going, ringing a bell going, 312 days till I'm on the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then an anonymous teammate leaks it skins pushed back big time against this Jason Mackie the Pirates Insider said this rumor doesn't track what the type of leader's skins has been from day one and he's spoken to skins, his girlfriend, his family, everybody and just none of this sounds like Steve I would agree if you watch the clips of skins winning the rookie of the year.

[SPEAKER_02]: or the Si Young in 24 and 25.

[SPEAKER_02]: Last year he went viral for just Livy done clapping while he sat there stone faced.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this year he had a bunch of family over and he smiled 6% like definitely I don't think Paul schemes kind of guy who had agitate for a trade.

[SPEAKER_02]: It would say it enough that he hates the team he's on.

[SPEAKER_02]: That his teammate would be anonymously leaking to the press and schemes.

[SPEAKER_02]: some pretty strong comments to Steven Nezbitt.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are 29 fan bases that expect us to lose.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a part of the 26 guys to change that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Refuted the report he must have played for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe he even had to address it, but he did.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he talked to their new pitching coach before he was hired.

[SPEAKER_02]: And basically said that same sentiment.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like a lot of people are laughing at us.

[SPEAKER_02]: do you want to be the one who gets it right, who believes in us, who helps us work through these problems?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are certain people who want to take it the easy road, and there are people who want to take it the hard route, which kind of guy are you, and the pitch and pitch called schemes back and said, I'm a kind of guy who wants to do with you, and work hard, and nothing about Paul's keen suggests.

[SPEAKER_02]: he is going to fight to get to the end.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's as quickly as this season, even less about him suggests that he's going to call Randy Miller or tell an anonymous team as he could talk to Randy Miller about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Still blocked by the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am still blocked by Randy Miller.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not to say, Paul schemes going to end his career in Pittsburgh.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's going to work out.

[SPEAKER_02]: The earning power is going to be too large.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he's definitely going to try to win while he's there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the pirates, I think we'll be better this year than last, but they need a meal ticket.

[SPEAKER_02]: They cannot enter this season without Paul schemes.

[SPEAKER_02]: You want to trade him, you do it at the deadline too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're a year and a half, two years away from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know why this report came out, but I am glad it did, because it's the most interesting thing to happen so far this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun fodder, but it gets me mad because this is where people will hate on Yankees fans of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: The rumor came out that he wants to play for the Yankees and Randy Miller is us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're commissioned this piece by Randy Miller.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like, you know that everybody's going to come out and be like, oh, yeah, awake the big name to the Yankees, of course, of course you want to play for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Pirates suck, there is a 0% chance Paul schemes wants to be their long term.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is maybe a 15% chance he wants to play for the Yankees someday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, the Yankees are a good organization.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why would Paul schemes not want to be a really good picture on an historic franchise?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's just that element of it that exists.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're totally right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Any trick, look, if the Pirates, here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: If the pirates make no effort to improve their infrastructure this year, like what they did last year was the disgrace.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was, that point was driven home, more than anybody can imagine.

[SPEAKER_00]: All year, anybody, everybody was talking about the lack of support via Ben Sherrington's moves, because he's hamstrung with the payroll, but the fact that the payroll doesn't even move.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not it's not a poverty franchise Pittsburgh has a fan base.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know that though they they exist or they they would love their team to be good again if the pirates do what they did last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we will be hearing about Paul skiing's trade rumors.

[SPEAKER_00]: more seriously by the deadline.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it'll be Paul orchestrating them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it will be maybe his agent trying to get him out of there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It might be other teams looking at the pirate situation and being like, this is correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could be MLB.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, big baseball deals with this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they want Paul schemes wasting away on the pirates?

[SPEAKER_00]: Big baseball?

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they're, and it's a competitive and all-central division, so it's not like the pirates are going to be zooming to the top, but like they have to be competitive, they can't be sitting their basement dwelling all year, no shot all year, and that's what they were last year, and they were supposed to be building off of his rookie campaign.

[SPEAKER_00]: Came up and started the all-star game last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't, cannot have what they did year over year happen again, and I think that's where you might see, [SPEAKER_00]: Rumors start look they got somewhat [SPEAKER_00]: like flame this year, they were trade rumors before the deadline, before like, everybody had to shut them down.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they were happening because the pirates were that bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Paul schemes from California too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Yankees would be his first choice to be a trader for agency.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers are consistently named as the team that's going to get him one at a time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a California team that has like a lot of talent as well?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it just, are the Yankees the only good organization?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a California team?

[SPEAKER_00]: People tend to want to go to the one there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, but yeah, Paul schemes, he also doesn't strike me as that type of dude, like you seem Paul schemes talk a lot over these last two years.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's arguably one of the faces of baseball at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's spoken highly of by his teammates, he's spoken highly of by members of the media, [SPEAKER_00]: He is clearly somebody who wants to win.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has that mentality pitched at LSU, which is a prestigious baseball program.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he is going, I think I'm confident he's going to do all he can to influence the pirates to maximize his remaining time with that team.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, you think Brian Cash from Spain, a trade package for Paul Schins, and he'd happen, so fun the rumor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't hate on us even more because again, it wasn't us and don't know where it came from, but [SPEAKER_00]: It happened, so we just gotta address it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It definitely happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it gonna happen again?

[SPEAKER_02]: Are we actually gonna get real discussion here?

[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt it, you're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the chatter does get way louder if the pirates just completely suck this year or flatline all winter.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like look for them to flatline all winter.

[SPEAKER_02]: If they do not extend their budget a little bit as they're insinuating they will.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or make creative trance, again, a Spencer Horowitz type.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're going to really hear, but so you, you know, you ended last year with a thud, you bring in Don Kelly is the permanent manager.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's the right guy for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You bring in this new pitching coach.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the year.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're graduating more prospects.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you do nothing to supplement them between now and spring training.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're going to hear people say, I fell for Ben cherting his bullshit one last time.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing it again.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have faith that the pirates would be better next year.

[SPEAKER_02]: That faith could be misplaced easily.

[SPEAKER_02]: Very easily.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, talk about misplaced faith.

[SPEAKER_02]: The New York Aggies longest tenured scout is gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it's like 10 days ago, but for some reason it's getting played now, it makes a prank Hashem was maybe asked about it on that zoom.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that with I don't know anything about international scouting director Donnie Rowland who was not fired his contract was not renewed a 15 year run with the director of international scouting that's an extremely long run time for a new voice the new voice theory what we're saying about iron moon.

[SPEAKER_02]: right see a terrible manager I don't think so is he additive I also don't think so isn't it type for new voice it's only been eight years 15 years with an international scouting director who pulled Jason to Mingaz who we love but the jury is out and he's definitely not Mickey Manel yet as we were told when he was brought on board [SPEAKER_02]: Luis Severino also a big win for him Miguel and do hard.

[SPEAKER_02]: These are two guys who wilted under New York pressure their Yankees careers were not long.

[SPEAKER_02]: They both agitated with the front office too.

[SPEAKER_02]: The attitudes were not aligned.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a man who spearheaded the site 62 year old man who spent 23 years with the organization Alexander Vargas sign for 2.5 million in 2019 abysmal Rotorick areas brando my a these are recent signings that just have not delivered If the Aggies are going to be a behemoth [SPEAKER_02]: That involves the international market that involves Japan, which is not that he rollens for view and nothing is that he rollens for viewer and how is it's a contract right out?

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's who you am I like Brian Cashwin is indicated he's going to be strongly in that market this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Yankees need to get back into the Japanese halibix.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Yankees cannot afford to keep swinging and missing in the Latin American market where so many mega stars are found and where there is not a draft there is nothing restricting the Yankees other than a budgetary pool.

[SPEAKER_02]: from doing necessary hard work in bringing in extremely talented baseball players, and it's a system that needs cleaning up too.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the Yankees are going to be able to run as for you, as they have been forever.

[SPEAKER_02]: Donny Rowland brought in the dermis Garcia Wilcroman Garcia class that 2014 class, they spent so much money and received no reward, areas my a look like nothing at this point in time.

[SPEAKER_02]: The next, the Mingaz is the sole hope right now, and Carlos Lagrange, who was an absolute bargain in 2022 as noted in this Brian Hoke piece.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, maybe Carlos Lagrange is an amazing reliever, maybe he's a starter, [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's neither of the above, but that wasn't a high profile international signing that was a lucky one.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got to tip the cap, you got to give credit, where credit is due, but these high profile, two, three, four, five million dollar misses, too many to weather.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Cashman's dead is contracted, expires have just like everything else.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got to make some very difficult decisions.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been involved with Donnie Rowland for a long time, but for the road, contract has expired.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I made the difficult decision to look for a different lead voice in that chair.

[SPEAKER_02]: it's time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's beyond time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's unbelievable how poorly the Yankees have done in this market for a decade plus now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Considering it was once one of their greatest and clearest talent pipelines.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you have security for that long.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, look, it's nothing against anybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, what are the results of the job?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's been happening?

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees have had no international scouting support over the last 15 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they had one guy pan out, were maybe having a different conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that Jason Deminguez was the golden ticket, the record expenditure, [SPEAKER_00]: the, the, the margin and we are not any closer to determining his role or his impact with this team.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, honestly, you should have been done after eight years because I don't know how much like, you look at the international players across the league, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these, some of these are lucky, you know, you get, you get lucky, but [SPEAKER_00]: Zander Bogarts, who, right in the Yankees backyard, won two world series with the Red Sox.

[SPEAKER_00]: It Vlad, Josh Nailer, Yord on Alvarez.

[SPEAKER_00]: even like second tier guys, which, I don't even like, William Thomas, a Dolors Garcia, Lord of Scoreal, like the Geckys don't even have one of those.

[SPEAKER_02]: Red talks are incredible at this by the way, like, it's cool at this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the players hit the meat, sometimes it's Bogart, sometimes it's Brian Beho.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's Franklin Aries, who is kind of frozen out of the Red Sox every day line up right now, but is a top 30 prospecting baseball at a 40 or 50 depending on where you're looking, [SPEAKER_02]: He could lead a trade package this off season for a major name and the Yankees since the days of like developing Gary Sanchez and Hasew's Montero and Severino it was their house and even that class didn't [SPEAKER_02]: work out, for say, I'm not celebrating those folks, but it's been a decade plus since they've even had a class, you know, people to market that the Red Sox and Miguel Blyce, who's shoulder blue out and I don't know what his future is, but light tower power still could be a secondary piece in trade talks.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Aggies do not have these names in their system.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's like, it's like range and demand is right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like the, you want to talk about stars too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you want to talk about the teams that got lucky.

[SPEAKER_00]: You [SPEAKER_00]: Ronald Decunia, Jr., you have Jose Al-Tube, you have Jackson, Churrio, Salvador Perez, like, and the Yankees are nowhere close to any of these, nowhere close, and they used to be an influence with Japanese players, and they couldn't even be further away from that market at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You Dorvish, no, Emanaga, no, not even, again, not even second rate, Kakuji, [SPEAKER_00]: Kodai Sangha, like Massataka Yoshida, all these guys played, like, played solid baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are not even in the same, they're not even in the same fucking universe as what these other organizations are doing with international scouting.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know how it was allowed to persist this song, but this is how the Yankees do business.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like, [SPEAKER_00]: it's not it's you just look at what's happened over the last two decades and it's the same infrastructure it's the same director of player personnel it's the same assistant GM it's the same GM it's it's the same minor league coordinator it's the same guys rising through the ranks and there is just no improvement there is a [SPEAKER_00]: there's a level that they reach as an extremely wealthy organization with re- broadcasting reiterated on the call yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not heavy into analytics.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have the most, we have the largest pro scouting department, a major league baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then where are all the players?

[SPEAKER_00]: How do we have this many scouts?

[SPEAKER_00]: And what do they do?

[SPEAKER_00]: You're failing this significantly on the international market and don't get us started on the draft because we can bring that again.

[SPEAKER_00]: they might be turning a corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to admit that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would love if they turned a corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love homegrown players.

[SPEAKER_00]: If Austin Wells pans out, I'm not sure I'm too optimistic about that after what we saw the last year or half, but it's still possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Volpi, I think, is a lost cause.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Rice, Hope, Kimch-Littler, Hope, a couple of these other guys that are going double-aid at Triple A and then hopefully not gonna endure Major League Baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: George Lombard, we'll talk about him in a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: Legrange, who is the other pitcher at Triple A?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're Rodrigues Cruz and so like it's possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: And and and more Rodrigues Cruz was founded and a trade with the Red Sox that that's the type of stuff that you're looking at.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the three more leaders over the last 20 years for homegrown draft picks.

[SPEAKER_00]: are Aaron Judge, Brett Gardner, and Anthony Volpi.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Anthony Volpi is arguably the worst everyday player in Major League Baseball over the last three years.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's bottom five, bottom 10.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Yankees have the largest post-counting department in the league, bar none, according to Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they have no international successes since what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Robinson can know like in terms of savvy like what is a success yeah so the success is the two success is under Roland were savvy and Miguel Andrew hard and savvy was good for two years and that was great and then they're he suffered injuries in the relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: really went off the rails with how it went between him and the organization, and Duhar had one good year heard his shoulder and then the Yankees ice them out and then it was drama with his agent calling out the organization for his playing time.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was drama with him calling out the organization over his treatment.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like even the two success stories over the last 15 years were flash in the pans who got who ended up leaving and then shit talking the organization [SPEAKER_00]: So whether you recruited guys who were combative like that or you treated them so poorly when you were potentially able to cultivate them into a success story and didn't, then we're looking at two major problems in the process.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then domestically, again, [SPEAKER_00]: hopefully returning a corner, but there are no major successes domestically outside of essentially air and judge over that timeframe.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, largest post-counting department, amazing, probably going to need to see a few more results than if we're not relying heavily on analytics or we're not just looking at spreadsheets to determine who the next great player for the Yankees might be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also makes me want to Kevin Reese's boots on the ground right now, or I guess earlier in the week in Vegas instead of Cashman, he's the guy who's probably going to take over when Cashman's contract expires, or if they let it expire, if they pull a Donnie Rollins on Cashman, and I don't know what is the difference between the two parties I would love to know, and hopefully that's one of the first things they established, instead of just saying, you know, Brian's legacy is incredible need to uphold that, which is what they are going to say, but [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll see in a couple of years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's been cashmen did speak on George Lombard Jr.

yesterday.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I did think it was interesting because he said, quote, offensively, it looks like he needs more time.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't disagree.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not also not a dig.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's not a finished product.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's old.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's old.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to use 20.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to start on opening day.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's on an option to fill in for Anthony Bolpy.

[SPEAKER_02]: But usually what he does is talks up these prospects.

[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Durbin last year, who made it very clear, he would be on our opening day roster and he wasn't because he was on Milwaukee because we traded him for Devon Williams.

[SPEAKER_02]: Third place, Rookie of the Year, oops, Ben writes this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yesterday, he said, I view him as an everyday player.

[SPEAKER_02]: Great, so I guess we can move Platoon First Baseman down the priority list, or you're trying to shop Ben Rice.

[SPEAKER_02]: I view him as every day player too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's controversial, but still casting usually beers on the side of if he sees something he likes, he talks about how spectacular that person is, and that's usually an indicator that there may be going to be needing to look to pack their bags.

[SPEAKER_02]: And instead George Lombard Jr.

got the taste of the high minors this year, double a [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it wasn't the defense was there.

[SPEAKER_02]: There were days when the highlights would get tweeted and it would look spectacular.

[SPEAKER_02]: Eight homers in 108 games, some of the power, some of the game power started to develop more.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this year's in last year, he definitely hit for more power at AA than high AA, but yeah, he hit 215 with his 695 OPS.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he had flashes and he also struck out 124 times.

[SPEAKER_02]: So cashmons are reinventing the wheel.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was no worthy to hear him basically say, yeah, not going to be an opening day thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's something to work on.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to vote be him.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably learning a lesson here.

[SPEAKER_02]: But certainly not advertising or talking up lumber, Junior's ability to contribute soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad he addressed it in some capacity.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know Yankees fans when Lambar got promoted.

[SPEAKER_00]: Earlier this year, we're saying, I mean, we said it for a minute, like as Anthony Volpe's time on the clock here, it should be looking over his shoulder.

[SPEAKER_00]: The results were not there after he got promoted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, again, not an indictment on his performance.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is young.

[SPEAKER_00]: The AA is arguably the hardest.

[SPEAKER_00]: because that's where all of the top prospects are and AAA is a lot of filler veteran players who aren't as obviously talented or not working their way up fighting for that coveted roster spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are minor league players, or they're in case of emergency of an injury on the major league roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the future is still bright with Lombard based on what we've seen.

[SPEAKER_00]: from previous mistakes, they will ensure that George Lombard gets the attention and the care that he needs on the offensive front.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't run into another Anthony Volpi problem where they pretend to ignore everything and say, oh, he's really talented.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna figure it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, he's really talented.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needs help figuring it out because he is 20 years old and doesn't have all the answers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So somebody help him and do it now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do it now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now's the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: No tripply cameo yet either, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: We got a lot of runway to go here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we see him sooner rather than so so later, but not going to have an opening day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Have a good spring looking forward to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just a final note was that fundraiser this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: where Sarah Langs was honored as well as Gary Cole, the ALS United great in New York's annual Lou Gehrig Legacy Gala.

[SPEAKER_02]: I went last year, went this year as incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll cover it as long as they'll have me.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got some great written content going up this way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Related to that in some video content as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: I believe, but yeah, it [SPEAKER_02]: gave us a chance to get up close and personal with some people who we have it out a lot of face to face with John Flaherty, David Cohen spoke to us both unsurprising.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, but Flaherty talked a little bit about Ben Rice and the way he envisions him, Kone talked about [SPEAKER_02]: He agreed that I sort of, I mean, like I fed him a little bit, but I asked if Camichletler's game three, it was the most impressive playoff star he'd seen since Clemins and Seattle, and he was like, Clemins and Seattle, but yeah, he did say he had that old school mentality like Clemins, and that's probably why it seemed so incredible to watch and so unexpected.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Cole, of course, he most know where the attendee for Yankee fans full beard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Walk the red carpet with Amy spent some time with each and every reporter who was there we all got like three minutes or so one on one with Cole it made us you know, I think it made every I don't want to speak for everybody there, but it made me miss just his aura last year and he was around the team, but [SPEAKER_02]: You know, was he for the first half of the year he wasn't there.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was missing a lot of crucial road trips as he noted this is a year when he's going to get to be that mentor and you could see it on display obviously a bunch of people asked a variation of when you're going to be back he will not give you a time frame he won't say much the eighties clearly don't want him to but he looked fantastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: And all he would really say is it's, it's, you know, I can't tell you much, I'm going to go ahead and say opening day probably not in the cards, but we're working on it being as soon as possible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anybody expects opening day.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of ridiculous if you do, but his mentality, his mindset was that this is a year in the recovery is basically over.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a year where he's going to make an outsized impact.

[SPEAKER_02]: mentorship and on the field and the attitude he was giving off, you know, no limits who's willing to talk to anybody about anything seemed affable.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously cared about the cause goes with that saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also talking up Will Warren to people who didn't ask.

[SPEAKER_02]: There were some rotation questions that didn't include Will Warren.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he made sure to be like, gotta get Wilson love, like, you know, people were asking about, what does it mean to join our rotation, Schlittler and Rodon and Freet and he was like, Will deserves me in there too.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, gotta give Wilson love.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think Will Warren's kind of his guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you asked me who Garrett Cole is going to mentor more this year, I would say, Warren is a dude who he has a close connection with.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he was obviously that lasted, that pre-dated last year, but Schlittler, [SPEAKER_02]: Got some, got some time in dugout with Cole, of course, but got some time in the dugout with Cole when Cole couldn't throw.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so we're looking at a season where Cole is going to have more of an impact where he's not going to miss road trips.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be there every step of the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, in terms of singling out farm system talent he wants to work with, you know, didn't necessarily get that answer.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's very clear he thinks highly of Warren.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear he thinks highly smoke highly of Cody Bellinger to thought one of the reporters was breaking the news that Cody Bellinger was coming back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then that was not the case, but he'd basically give the Boris speech about code developer, big market, fit everything we need and so versatile, you know, would kill to have him back, huge piece of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, his offseason preferences, that falls right in line with him, whatever, I just want him back and seeing him interact with the reporters, have that time, be so gracious, and also just like seem like himself, didn't seem down, [SPEAKER_00]: It was Garacol season, baby.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm excited for that too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hope that event was fun, really cool, really cool way to honor.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was for Sarah Lynch, or she was like the main person there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Cole was nominated in an honored too, which was kind of wild.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess just for last year was John Sterling this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Sarah Lang's pretty clear was the main focus.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was there, it was amazing, it's cool.

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