[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast with Adam Linerib and Thomas Karinantez.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the X-Coyard Podcast, to Mademard, or alongside Thomas Caronante, and last week's show and the week we gave the Blue Days their flowers.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about how, hey, you know, an impossible season from a lot of impossible pieces, a lot of players.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I sure will ever see this again, but we did see it this year and taken two games on the road, bouncing back from that 18 inning loss.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's about as impressive as it gets.

[SPEAKER_00]: So congratulations to the likely world champion Toronto Blue Days.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did anything change in between this show and that show?

[SPEAKER_00]: did the fan base that trolled us unreasonably all summer long end up with the most dramatic world series games have had lost at home that I can recall potentially the most painful individual game loss in any sport could that have happened over the weekend um uh blue jays lose actually so still plenty to be proud of in Toronto uh [SPEAKER_00]: been weighing back and forth just how much we should be gloating given the fact that they did eliminate us in the ALDS.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer is, I'm moderate amount.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to gloat a moderate amount.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk to the fan base that would not let's leaping dogs lie.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk to them at why, you know, you got to finish the job if you're going to be as obnoxious as they were.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have the right to [SPEAKER_00]: beat your chest, you do whatever you want, your team can celebrate, you know, anti-ankees as the first defining role of your celebration, and then pro your team is the second to find role.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that, but in this day and age, you really kind of got to win the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want to hear a little bit of retribution in the aftermath, and so that's where we're going to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: We also just have to talk about this story again.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers becoming a genuine [SPEAKER_00]: We're not exactly pro Dodgers either, folks.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of anti Dodgers sentiment.

[SPEAKER_00]: We wish we were them, but we're not.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are going home.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two titles in a row, first repeat, Shabby, and since the 99, 2000, it technically the 99, 99, 2000.

[SPEAKER_00]: They still have one more to add.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they want to, because they made it very clear that they are coming for that three feet.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're coming for the Dynas and Ganges.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are the first dynasty.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have seen since the 90s Yankees, unless you count the [SPEAKER_00]: 12 years of four red socks titles as something.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that.

[SPEAKER_00]: The most annoying part about that is the lack of connective tissue that's not a dynasty, just all these freaking individual challenges, which stinks, but yeah, the Dodgers are the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exactly a Miguel Rojas fan.

[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot believe how prominently he factored in.

[SPEAKER_00]: to this world series is anything changed as we head towards the offices, in which, by the way, officially, here we are today.

[SPEAKER_00]: The opt-outs are happening, the trade rumors are flying, potentially, Yankees, targets are hitting the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: The GM meetings are next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it all Thomas Perry today.

[SPEAKER_00]: When the Yankees lost game five last year of the world series, nobody was worse to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: than Blue Jace fans.

[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds crazy, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Dodgers actually won that game in that series, the Red Sox, or historically RG-Friable, Blue Jace fans had the most to say about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I want to be the bigger man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not going to go directly into Blue Jace fans' mentions and tweet for days, ha-ha, or screen grabs in the scoreboard, or Miguel Rojas pictures, or like somebody last year pinned to tweet to his personal account.

[SPEAKER_00]: predicting that Juan Soto would go to the Dodgers, he added me and he pinned his own tweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna do that because I live in a house, not a padded cell in a hospital, but [SPEAKER_00]: I do think Toronto Blu-Jace fans have been asking for a cup of up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's more than they think they have been.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it in the last show about how they were still comparing Camich Whitler to Traeus Savage after Game 5 for no apparent reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we said, you know, beating the igies, we've got to be a defining part of their world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Run, regardless, but right now, you have bigger fish to fry.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have bigger fish to fry.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, your manager, the arrogant tomato himself, John Schneider, brought in your Savage [SPEAKER_00]: And it didn't work.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, the last time we saw you savage, it actually contributed to your team losing the world series in heartbreaking fashion.

[SPEAKER_00]: Canch, Hitler, sitting at home, sitting pretty heat-trolled some Blue Jace fans in the aftermath with a video of an actor laughing.

[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of laughing going on in the aftermath.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Blue Jace fans are painting themselves as the innocent victims of this tragedy there.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're a little more than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so are the players on the roster.

[SPEAKER_01]: agreed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I stay out of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's dangerous dirty business.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's scary.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I wasn't in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to get.

[SPEAKER_00]: I promise I'm not going to wait into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to dull.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not going to get involved in the social media stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: getting involved in social media right before game seven and I said I do not care who wins.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want one side to be completely devastated and gutted and I got my way and I almost got my way twice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Almost got my way three times.

[SPEAKER_01]: Over and over again, the daughters, almost devastated themselves multiple times, the obviously whatever happened to the BlueJays was horrific and I don't know if that makes me a bad person, but [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this is just how it goes, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Blueberry said ended if this had ended the other way, like I had tweets queued up about how the Dodgers deserve as much criticism for their sloppiness as we got last year for our sloppiness.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of garbage in this series in the final game, a ball, you know, a drop at third, Max Muncie bad D.

Teaskers sliding couldn't cut one off bad D.

[SPEAKER_00]: just tons of strange brain farts and it was just as bad a performance as what we did last year against them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, no, it wasn't they saved themselves.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The difference there is the big game experience, the clutch factor and you know, oh, it's the fear factor, really like, [SPEAKER_01]: They're never really going to go away.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you better tack on that fourth fifth or sixth run because if you keep it within two or three, it's not going to be enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for BlueJay Span's look, like I'll let the fighting happen online.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be a bystander and enjoy the content.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not typically a fan of players coming out and shit talking, but, you know, Camichletler was dragged by multiple fan bases this year for no reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: No reason at all, just simply for existing and pitching well as for Blue G's fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: one comment on this and that'll be that you're just crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're crazy for thinking you're the victim.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're crazy for the coping that's going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were there every step of the way for every Yankees elimination regardless of time and place and whatever it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I see it all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I see it every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You are among the first fan bases to do victory laps.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're among the first fan.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're doing yourselves a disservice by really rivaling yourselves in terms of shittingists when it comes to Red Sox fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, from a Yankees fan perspective again, like I'm a Yankees fan and that's how I'm going to, I'm going to view different fan bases through that lens of how am I treated or how what are they doing in their spare time and Red Sox fans and BlueJay fans use a lot, a awful lot of their free time to dunk on the Yankees regardless of if they're involved or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, we saw right after this world series because of course, BlueJace fans keep themselves up to get trolled by the worst of the worst Yankees fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that happened after game seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Blue, what are BlueJace fans?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we, who do we beat on the way to the world series, though, dude?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're one of no against the Yankees in the playoffs for Lifetime and it's like, yeah, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, you also just suffered the worst loss.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, arguably ever, and I don't know when you're going back because the roster is about to change.

[SPEAKER_01]: I commend to the BlueJays a lot for the work this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: This roster and performance is not replicable.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to happen next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is why getting to the world series and capitalizing on the moment is so important because as cliche as it sounds, you do not know when you're going to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers know when they're going to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've been there four times five times in nine years.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees are the next closest thing to the Dodgers in terms of name recognition, roster, money, whatever you want to call it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they have no idea when they're going to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you think a team like the BlueJays who literally, they haven't been there since 93, and they made it back for the first time that you think they're, [SPEAKER_01]: They were going to know when they're going to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: All these other flash in the pan teams, the Diamondbacks in 2023, the Nationals in 2019, who was, who was 20 said that the Cubs and the, and the Guardians in 2016, the Royals in 2015, like you do not know when you're going to get back.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to capitalize on the moment and the Blue Jays did it and the coping from, you know, John Schneider said, John Schneider was largely well-spoken throughout this whole world's series I thought.

[SPEAKER_01]: His interviewers were great.

[SPEAKER_01]: His post-game interviews were great.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's made me like him a little bit more because, you know, again, we watch Aaron Boone all the time and it's just fumbling over words and lack of clarity and clearly hiding something every single time.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the post game interview for game 70 saying, you know, we had an opportunity to sweep them, and it's like, no, you didn't, that was never on the table, like, you got dog walk by Oceanobu yonamoto and game two that it was over, but the sweep, the sweep possibility was over, the second game into the series, and I don't even know how he would look at that yonamoto start and think that they had the capability of sweeping them.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the Dodgers had come back, I mean, if the Blu-Jay said come back, punch back in Game 6, and maybe Chase Yamamoto from the game, or put up a better performance, and say, oh, you know, maybe he had a point, like they got to Yamamoto the second time, maybe it was just a bad game plan the first time.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like the series went to seven games.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll lost the 18 in game, which, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm calling that an opportunity to win that because you gave away the both teams gave away opportunity after opportunities, so that was a coin flip to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And game six, you were never in it until the ninth inning and then you dropped the ball by that with bad base running.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a crazy comment and then I mean the Toronto media after the factor, the Canadian media.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess sports net is all of Canada.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was just Toronto.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's labeled a Canadian media outlet, but just as ridiculous as they were.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, the BlueJay's broadcast team and the, and the sports net team over the last few years with the Yankees in terms of responding to Michael K, criticizing the Yankees when the Yankees were not even involved in said conversation on broadcasts, weren't even the opponent on the TV screen, um, accusing Aaron Judge of cheating and telling, uh, you know, the players to throw up and in on him, like the, the behavior here is ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then after this one, [SPEAKER_01]: The better team did not win and Raymond the blue jays may have played better, but again you're not going to convince me they're a better team than the then the Dodgers Dodgers are the better team no matter who they are Messed up against that's going to be true for the next five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the blue jays might have comprehensively been Maybe a more aesthetically pleasing team to watch over the seven games, but [SPEAKER_01]: One of the Yankees, the Yankees technically outplayed the Dodgers last year in the World series.

[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, I don't subscribe to that, but if you look at the statistics, they outhit the Dodgers, and it came down to a couple of managerial decisions, and it came down to a few defensive blunders that flipped the script in that one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blue Jays did the same thing, so you are not the better team, because if the Yankees were way the way horse team last year and they still got enough don't offensively to theoretically keep them in that for a 7 game series and the Blue Jays definitely weren't the better team.

[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's the blue trees were riding a heater and they were getting unlikely performances from every corner of the roster and they had every opportunity to win and they didn't win.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's crazy to think that that nearly makes you the better team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, we had the better stats, so we're better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you had the better stats and you lost.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what happened in between the mini battles?

[SPEAKER_01]: You made poor, [SPEAKER_01]: decisions here here and here you didn't execute here here and here and that's what that's the difference between a good team and a great team and again I think the BlueJays were a very good team.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said last episode very jealous of how they constructed their roster, how they were able to meld this team chemistry together.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're over here going from worst to first and then from becoming a contact oriented team and and flipping the modern day baseball game on [SPEAKER_01]: with their approach and and the the camaraderie and all that, you get pitted all the way and there's there's no excuse to be had you can go revisit every play that you want you can go revisit every incident you can go revisit every decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, you had, uh, you can go all the way back to game three, like, um, was it, uh, Lucas or Jimenez just swinging up all three and four from Clayton Karshall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lucas with the base loaded.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, he can push on in throw a strike in that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't throw a single strike and then you go back to game six.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have the base running blender.

[SPEAKER_01]: You go to game seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's all those close calls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the ICF explanation for the lead.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I also don't because nobody was covering third base.

[SPEAKER_01]: So how are you going to get doubled up if you're taking an extra step and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just asking.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking for some energy for ICF and you don't want to get doubled off.

[SPEAKER_00]: But can we run home?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is maybe the winning run of the world series and not a drill on the backfield that's spring training.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: a hop in the direction of home play at some momentum moving the right direction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't slide the feet first slide is correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't agree with the sliding thing everyone's saying sliding slows you down.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you slide head first and are able to [SPEAKER_01]: control that like you can't control the movements with your feet as accurately as you can your hands.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you should always probably be on a bang bang play where you need to beat the throw.

[SPEAKER_01]: It should be a head first slide and like you said, the second early needs to be bigger.

[SPEAKER_01]: The initial lead needs to be bigger.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to ensure against either one, one or the other needs to be bigger.

[SPEAKER_01]: like especially in that scenario.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, a lot of, a lot of what ifs, and then somebody pulled up this crazy, crazy, um, historical overview of Dolan Varsho's bad and balls.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was the one at the plate for that, for that hit to Miguel Rojas.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has had, I think, 1600 plate appearances with either, it was either his career or the blue jays.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably his, no, that's probably [SPEAKER_01]: because he's been there for three years.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can't do 1600 and three years, can you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Play the characters.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five over a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's what a healthy person would do, although he's a lot of time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's see, it might be his career, but either way, no, I mean, yeah, no, it's his career.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's the last, it's since 2022.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that was his first full season as a member of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had four balls hit to the third basement on a line drive and two of them were jam shots.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they weren't like hard hit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in theory if the ball was popped up to the third basement or popped up to the left side, I could have been able to read it quickly and get back to the back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Two of the other ones out of 1600 plate appearances were like line drives to the left side.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand you're probably not keeping those [SPEAKER_01]: statistics in your mind and weren't series games seven, we're just trying to play it safe, but that's that's an insane statistic that what either went over looked or just wasn't paid attention to enough in that moment to really emphasize the importance of I kept getting off the bag regardless of what the contact was.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just hit the ball in the air.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know, I mean, we have done a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: And by we, I'm not going to throw you into this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have done a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Golden Varsho on this show.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when push game is show, worse player on the field and games out of the world series was Don Varsho and he came up in a number of big moments and ultimately cost his team.

[SPEAKER_00]: At many Blue Jays cost their team a shot of the title, what's so did he with that horrific app at the bases?

[SPEAKER_00]: And a role over granted a second.

[SPEAKER_00]: In Miguel Rojas fields, it cleanly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then I KF is out no matter what he does.

[SPEAKER_00]: but you want to put pressure on the field or who is feeling pressure, who is stumbling backwards.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that you do that is by treating that out with all the intensity in the world, full bore, secondary lead, hop step.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it takes, I can't look like he was just going through the motions there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're not going to be able to rebut those allegations, because it's on tape.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw what we saw.

[SPEAKER_00]: I understand you've been instructed to play close to the bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Madison Barger getting double off second than I before, like a buffoon, played a role in that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They told you to be super careful.

[SPEAKER_00]: But man, you got to play a little bit more aggressively than that with a game on the line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Although again, how about Jeff Hoffman, just don't give up a game-time home run in Miguel Rojas.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get yourself into a full count situation where you have to come over the plate with something.

[SPEAKER_00]: You come over with a slot breaking ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your home run bugaboo returns.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hits one out the time of the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most absurd, a Rajay Davis level home run on the blues.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's had a chance to invalidate it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't again.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to come after individual fans.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was devastating.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is the simple worst chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel awful for everyone who has not interacted with me online.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like again, they are the first to the line if the Yankees suffered devastating defeat.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have the audacity to be like, how are you still thinking about us?

[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't you the Yankees?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're allowed to do whatever we want, but no matter what Yankees fans do, if they keep quiet and lose and it's embarrassing, if they talk trash after losing, it's embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like nothing, Yankees fans can't do anything and make these people think they're not embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a media ecosystem built on the last year's team that lost in the world series being chokers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people no matter where you are, whatever side of the media empire you're on, if the Yankees blow a big game, you're gonna come around and talk to them.

[SPEAKER_00]: That does not exist for the Blue James Red Sox and any other team immediately baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers are close, but something tells me if the Dodgers had lost that world series, I don't think there would have been an entire empire built on the world telling them that they choke.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a Yankees specific thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I can't believe in, the one person I will come after is Caleb Joseph, who I understand the emotions that you're feeling in that moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand that should he be feeling emotions to he's a broadcaster easy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: No probably not, but look, as a fan, I understand the urge to lash out and say, this isn't fair and the universe didn't give us what we deserve or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Michael K, this summer, was also speaking from an emotional perspective, a fan perspective, and the confusion that he felt was a confusion that the 80 fans felt, how are the Blue Jays doing this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Their run differential does not look like a first place team.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they beating the Ackys head to head?

[SPEAKER_00]: What advantage do they have?

[SPEAKER_00]: How do we solve this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Michael K never said, this Blue Jays seems stinks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's face it.

[SPEAKER_00]: This Blue Jays seem just flat out stinks.

[SPEAKER_00]: actually so if you want to play that hand but that's actually the router comment came from a blue j's source about the egg he's not an egg he serves about the blue j's but whatever Michael cake on the radio and basically said this doesn't look like a first place team to me the run differential doesn't match up how do they keep getting the better the egg he's I don't know blue j's hands were personally offended by that [SPEAKER_00]: But Michael Kane's main argument was, I don't care what the scoreboard says.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the end of the year, this is probably going to even it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And BlueJs fans basically just said scoreboard, we keep beating you.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're leading the standings.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're ahead of you in the east.

[SPEAKER_00]: We go into the classes number one seed.

[SPEAKER_00]: What more do you need to see?

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's valid.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to argue with scoreboard, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: If we play these games to win and lose, championships, individual games, penance, what have you?

[SPEAKER_00]: Blue Jays, one the division.

[SPEAKER_00]: Blue Jays, one more games in the postseason series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Scoreboard, again, you Toronto fans at the precedent that that was just undisputable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like scoreboard, we won all of these things.

[SPEAKER_00]: You thought, so therefore your arguments invalid.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get to the world series and suddenly Caleb Joseph wants to talk about nuance.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wands talk about something that's not on the scoreboard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Scoreboard is Dodgers 4, Blue Jays 3.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dodgers won the World Series, one more games.

[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Joseph wants to say the Blue Jays outplayed the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, wants to bring new ones into this conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: After Blue Jays fan spent the whole second half of the year being like, what does the score board say?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, Caleb Joseph's point, again, comes from a time, what a lot of fans are feeling to spare, and he said, I don't give a shit if you think this is sour grapes or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is point is just unbelievably invalid.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Blue Jays outplayed the Dodgers through Game 5.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to win one more game to win the World Series.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did not outplay the Dodgers for more than a single inning for the rest of the series in 6 and 7.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had a Miracle Rally thwarted in the ninth inning of Game 6, thwarted by 2nd and 3rd no-out, first picked pop out by a blooper [SPEAKER_00]: You know, seeing what you will at the ball getting lodged under the fence, it was lodged by the letter of the law, it's lodged, but even if it wasn't, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, one run or score.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to get those other guys in and what happened after we're in fallacy, the predetermined outcome did not get those guys in.

[SPEAKER_00]: game seven, the boba shed home run gives them a huge advantage, but the Dodgers chip away, one run, two runs, go down by two monthsy Homer, Miguel Rojas, Homer, and next ratings, the Dodgers out executed the Blue Js at no point in those final two games can the Blue Js say they outplay the Los Angeles Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did the got to the finish line.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could see it and then the Dodgers outplayed them in the two games that were determined at it of who was World Series champion.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just the most baseless thing you can say to say, we outplayed [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, but when push game to shove you lost the two most important games to them and scoreboard game over.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no patience of tolerance for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't seen a lot of BlueJays fans backing up, Caleb Joseph.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the reality is when you get that stolen from you, it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're looking for excuses, Michael K.

And yeah, even when we're looking for excuses this summer, why can't we match up with this team?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we get our lunch eaten by them?

[SPEAKER_00]: What do we need a barrow from them?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hit contact hitters, surprising power, water with a scout against your blade.

[SPEAKER_00]: How are they finding barters and Clements?

[SPEAKER_00]: And we can't find those guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all valid, but you're flustered.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're saying on paper, this doesn't make sense, but it's happening in real life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to reckon with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Joseph.

[SPEAKER_00]: is basically saying what the reality I just saw does not match what I thought I should have seen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fine, I think a lot of Blue Jason fans are gonna see those two things are different, Michael K and Caleb Joseph.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are not different, just because the two quotes struck different emotional chords with you personally does not mean they are different.

[SPEAKER_00]: You feel that one is valid and one is not.

[SPEAKER_00]: That does not mean they are different.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was a pretty unreasonable position to take.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Blue Jason's game closed out playing the Dodgers but left some meat on the bone and the champions came and got them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we could say the same thing last year, like, yeah, I saw a different thing in game one of the world series that turned everything upside like I saw Gerrit Cole going potentially eight innings.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw Glee Ritora's cleanly scooping a throw from the outfield from Juan Soto.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So just to to walk that I saw Tim Hill coming into face.

[SPEAKER_01]: the heart of the Dodgers order, not Nester Cortez.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, alternate realities.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we all live, we all live and hope to see what the favorable outcome will be.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, again, it came down to the Blue Jays needing to tack on more and needing to execute in the most pressure pack moments, and they didn't do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They tacked on barely enough, and then they didn't come through when they needed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have seen that plenty with our team.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not criticizing the blu-jays for not coming through It's a hard thing to do in the world series especially when you're going up a team as Experiences the Dodgers like those guys do that and they're sleep.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should know we have a motto on phase by anything in his path In the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's been conditioned to do that since he's been pitching in Japan [SPEAKER_01]: He's been in high leverage moments as a 22-year-old like on the international stage Olympics World Baseball Classic that the the championships in Japan like he's been there Freddie Freeman's been there like for a long time mokey bets has been there for a long time [SPEAKER_01]: Even someone like Max Muncie, home run in the eighth inning, people are going to forget about that because it wasn't the sexiest moment of the world series like that counts.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about his clutch plays on defense throughout the whole time, even though he isn't the strongest defender, he is ready for the moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Reaction time on the line drive like the blue chase kind of added on more there was a there was a run left on the board there where he could have that could have been a double down the line Max once he makes an incredible flight in for the but yeah, and I'm also going to say monthsy at the plate hit the foul tip for strike three dollar hundred Kirk [SPEAKER_00]: in the top of the fourth with two on one out.

[SPEAKER_00]: If Kirk squeezes that, the Varsho diving play ends that inning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, three, two months he gets a second life, patient enough to take a close ball for it is ball four.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, in that moment, just because a ball is off the plate doesn't mean someone isn't swinging at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: In the heat of oral series game seven, months he takes that one as it tails, takes the walk, the Varsho plays a sack fly, one run scored in that inning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty important run, given the fact that this game goes to [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, man, it's tough for everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's all the moments in, in between the moments that we can cite at the end of the day, though, it does get boiled down to if you didn't get it done.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there, I honestly, truly think there could be a 12 hour podcast on this world series.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, breaking down each game, breaking down each quarter of each game because there were so many outside of game 1, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, really, where the BlueJay's piled on a nine run, hitting him, that was that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You had six other games where like, could have really gone either way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, in, like, I know the Dodgers offense didn't show up at the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you know, threatened in those games that they didn't show up, they also didn't get the job done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there was a lot of, there was a lot of puttering on there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, [SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, I'm not victory lapping the Toronto lost because again, like, that, where would I be if that happened?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know where I would be.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably cancel my cell phone plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: and just that would be it for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be wandering into the woods.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, especially if you're talking a 30 something you're drought of being being in or near the world series, like we're sitting here talking about the Yankees 15 16 year world series drought.

[SPEAKER_01]: They made it last year after not making it since 2009 and and that's felt like an eternity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and a lot, you know, a lot of the, a lot of that is because the Yankees, again, are in a position to get themselves there better than most teams.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that they continue to squander opportunity after opportunity, whereas these other franchises aren't expected to do that or don't have the same pressure on them to do that, um, that makes, you know, that makes a 10 year drought feel like 25.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to laugh from afar for the people who the Blue Jays fans who, again, relentlessly talk shit relentlessly, you know, throwing trays of people, Yankees fans, or rival fans at all, left and right throughout the regular season, didn't matter when it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will laugh at that because again, like, [SPEAKER_01]: It's now turning into, oh, well, we got further than you were as, you know, you know what happens if Yankee fans do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got further than you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but what did you do after that?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine Yankee fans being like, we got to the AOCS, like they would get to, we would lost the world series and that's not the goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they would jump on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we got, we, we, we, we earned, think about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankee's had, [SPEAKER_01]: Number, top three offense in the league this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Guardians had arguably bottom three in the league this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said two more postseason wins in them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like not saying no to go, oh, Guardians fans, we got two, we got ahead and we got ahead and extra series and two more wins and it's Guardians fans would just be like, again, we batted like 204 and barely gone to the plot like, so it's just, it's all nonsense and we know exactly where we would be.

[SPEAKER_01]: if the shoe was on the other foot.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, BlueJay's fans just got to wear this for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you got to deal with the Yankees fan trolls now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we are not them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are not them, but you're going to have to deal with whoever they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we know the internet's at Rose Place.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're all coming for you, it's a little bit of a hint.

[SPEAKER_01]: You probably did something wrong at some point to get them to target you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I guess I should take as a hand after I got rock blast here, but look, it's not fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have to deal with it now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell you, it just gets worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the loss is heartbreaking enough, and then it just gets worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like we are now in a world where people cannot stay in their own lane.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're out there in the world talking about your team, you will be found by people who don't like your team and nobody likes the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: So welcome, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun, but at least you're not the Yankees, and it's not going to happen to you if you lose in the first round next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: or if you don't make the playoffs, no one's going to notice you, but it doesn't make this world series lost all the more worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of nons has to come out about the Dodgers, like, hey, look, they had the heart of a champion, they battled back an unlikely hero in Miguel Rojas who, again, poured milk in jazz, chism, shoes, and bullied him.

[SPEAKER_00]: in the in Miami in their clubhouse, so never going to make gold rose fan, but you may play after play after play.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess tip your cap in saying that he was such a factor here.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get dumb takes on like this Dodgers championship going back to back with the stars they have.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, they did throw one billion worth of pictures.

[SPEAKER_00]: in the final game.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no one like Yoshinobi Yamamoto and they had enough deferredotani money to lure him and I don't think you'll ever have a unique situation like that ever again where a player with that amount of earning power has a friend like this who's a rival is predicated on him pushing some of his money elsewhere to lower the AAB.

[SPEAKER_00]: That will just never happen again but it did happen here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations to the Dodgers that it did.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Miguel Rojas, [SPEAKER_00]: That's what this series boil down to the blue jays win the series if Jeff Hoffman's a better closer after all of that right so we're going to get so many salary cap takes and Well, this is why we're going to lose the season in 227 and this is why we need to cap and floor when in reality like baseball like it always does came right down to the edge even the Dodgers with all the financial advantage in the world and by the way the blue jays have the fifth highest payroll and baseball and not poor people [SPEAKER_00]: It all it took it took every ounce of everything they had and at the end the game was predicated on the worst hitter in the lineup hitting a home run off a homer prom closer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if there had been a salary cap, the jays actually would have been priced out on signing off and it could have signed a less homer prom closer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a salary cap would have the blue jays, not the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: But do you think a Dodgers' real series could lead to rampant changes in the major levels?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're ever getting a salary cap, but I do think we're going to have ridiculously annoying discourse.

[SPEAKER_00]: next off season, predicated mostly on a world series that happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: This season, that happened the way it did because of the lowest paid player on the field, most unexpected contributor possible, getting a hanging breaking ball from a closer who was probably overpaid and under qualified.

[SPEAKER_01]: I literally don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: All you know is this, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: As we've talked about a multitude of times here.

[SPEAKER_01]: The commissioner works for the owners.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't work for anybody else.

[SPEAKER_01]: The owners have been wanting a salary count for a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: The way that they combat that, obviously, is by the top 10% of the best players get paid to shitload a money and then everybody else gets asked or everybody else is stuck under everybody is, every baseball player is subject to this, but you have six years of team control where the raises and the payments are completely [SPEAKER_01]: controlled and predefined and it's not true capitalism if you want to talk open a free market and all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's suppressing wages in a sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the system is designed again to reward [SPEAKER_01]: the top players and to limit the damage that these owners are spending year to year.

[SPEAKER_01]: The qualifying offer is a fancy way to pretend like the players have some leverage because it's what the average of the top.

[SPEAKER_01]: 50 salaries or 25 salaries or something on an AV basis, and then you look at the qualifying offer, and the qualifying offer is actually not good because it attaches draft pick compensation to the players, and then it could hinder their market in terms of what they're going to get paid, and if they decline the qualifying offer, they don't get that money, and then they're not guaranteed to get that same average annual value on the open market.

[SPEAKER_01]: So long story short is this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers have nothing to do with the salary cap conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: The salary cap conversation has been going on for a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a matter of, is it going to happen this time?

[SPEAKER_01]: And this time is probably more crucial than all of the other previous instances because baseball has arguably never been more popular at this rate in terms of, you know, kind of a lowly dealt with over the last ten year.

[SPEAKER_01]: whatever pre-COVID, 10 years pre-COVID.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a tough conversation because you don't want the work stoppage because that is going to halt the game's momentum.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't necessarily want a salary cap because [SPEAKER_01]: that's going to hinder spending, and we know that spending makes the world go around.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to come down to what the owner's want, and it's going to really, really boil down to do the owners want to get their financial way for the next 10 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or do they want to kind of cut off their momentum at the knees at this rate?

[SPEAKER_01]: But that said, I don't think the Dodgers doing this changes anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees have been abusive spenders for two decades.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, ever since the end of that 90s dynastic run, they went and they were paying people left and right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really when the floodgates of free agency began for a lot of the bigger market teams who were willing, you know, free agency, the dam in free agency really truly broke.

[SPEAKER_01]: in the early 2000s.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was when you saw real money getting thrown around.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that 90s.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the 80s.

[SPEAKER_01]: Readance started in the 70s.

[SPEAKER_01]: It took decades for this to get built up.

[SPEAKER_01]: What needs to change, I think, what needs to lead the conversation is the money deferrals, because obviously the Dodger's game system rightfully so with the Otani contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: The problem isn't the cap.

[SPEAKER_01]: The cap is to, again, save owner's money.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's all it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's to [SPEAKER_01]: And to avoid having the players get paid the most money that they possibly can.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the NFL.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have running backs making $3 million a year and they're getting pounded every play.

[SPEAKER_01]: All it takes is one hit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Their careers over and they made a grand total of, oh, actually it was $1.7 million because when we released him with a June 1st designation, it saved us $1.3 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: Give me a break.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't think the world series win will be the catalyst for this, especially because the world series went to seven games and again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Flip a coin, the blue jays could have won that world series just as easily as the Dodgers did.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could have swept it according to John Schneider.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at all the other teams that face the Dodgers over the last couple years, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: The Metz, what last four to two in the NLCS last year, the fillies lost three to one in the DS this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who was the other big market team that faced them last year?

[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the [SPEAKER_01]: Who the daughters facing the DS last year?

[SPEAKER_01]: The father is podries and other team that spend a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_01]: All the teams that don't like, a lot of the teams that don't like the Yankees last year, the daughters are also beating teams that spend a ton of money.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like they are this one team on the mountaintop saying up.

[SPEAKER_01]: We spent $375 million dollars all year, whether P on spent $140 and we're beating the hell out of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, they are beating the Steve Cohen Mets with the highest pay roll in the league last year and this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: They beat the $300 million pay roll Yankees who have the second highest pay or the third highest pay roll in the league last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: They beat the fillies who have [SPEAKER_01]: You know, four of the biggest names in the sport on their team, and they have multiple $300 million contracts on their books.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it comes down to the deferrals, and any other sneaky ways that these teams can circumvent the rules.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, the salary floor is never happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody should just know that.

[SPEAKER_01]: The salary floor is never happening because that's going to force the owners to spend more.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if there's no cap, [SPEAKER_01]: then they will maybe feel inclined that they'll have to do more in the event, you know, the floor being 120, 40 million or whatever it is is not enough to get them to where they need to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that there needs to be, there needs to be a change in just a financial [SPEAKER_01]: within the financial rules of the governing body of major league baseball, but if they didn't instill a salary cap on the Yankees were abusing it 15 years ago, 20 years ago, to the degree that they were, there's no way that the Dodgers are all so everyone's waking up now.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh, salary cap, MLB need salary cap as the Dodgers, like no, they need to fix some of the [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I don't, with as close as this was and with all of the opponents at the Dodgers F.

F.

So even over the last five years, like, they lost the Diamondbacks in 2023 in the DS, like, got rocked and we're starting to land slim and they're still not like, they're still not yet a dynasty.

[SPEAKER_01]: They won three championships in six years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like, that's notable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you saw, like, [SPEAKER_01]: You saw what the Yankees have done in the 90s, which I think is obviously more significant than this.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the Dodgers were to win the next three world series, I think we're having a different conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Back to back is not anything, again, it might be once in a quarter century, but it's not on herd of teams have done it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Super Bowl winners have done it, like it's not crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: People have done this 2022, like this is 2020 also.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a daughter scene that has gone through a lot of iterations.

[SPEAKER_00]: This current one is by far the best.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shiny is also.

[SPEAKER_00]: The 2020 World Chance was the culmination of Corey Seagre Cody Belinger, Julio Reis, like a group that they didn't have a glass now in snow.

[SPEAKER_00]: They beat glass now in snow as glass now in snow.

[SPEAKER_00]: So kindly pointed out in the aftermath like, [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh, dancing around them and we couldn't beat them, hello, hello, again, I reflect well on you guys because the weakest members of the rotation in this world series, although they came up big in game seven, that's the, the people who don't like the Dodgers don't like the Dodgers because of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't like the Dodgers because the Otani Lupole, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: should probably not happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody wants to defer money, because it helps their finances, there's mutual reason they want to do it, but deferring money because it's going to drag down the AAV and drag down your luxury tax by like 40 million a year, it seems ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people are going to tell me it's not, it seems ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: So two championships in two years, the third one in six years, wildly different core, wildly different crew.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good reminder for everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I'm just, I hate the salary cap in the NFL, just because there's always shady stuff that goes on, like whether you can write off certain stuff with signing bonuses, or you can backload contracts, like that's all that [SPEAKER_01]: like in baseball, you can't backload contracts.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you can defer the money which is technically a backload, but whatever the money, whatever the dollar figure is on the contract, you divide it by the number of years and that's the luxury tax hit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't be like, oh, this guy's getting a $1 million salary for this year so we can save money under the luxury tax and then you can get a $27 million dollar one night.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not how it works, which I learned actually a couple of weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there is, there's always going to be ways if they institute some sort of cap for a team like the daughters or a team like the Yankees or a team like the Metz to circumvent it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you might as well just have no cap, fix the deferrals and then everyone will be able to spend [SPEAKER_01]: and get, and get their way in some capacity.

[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, it's bad for baseball if show Hayo Town, he doesn't go to the highest bidder.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad for baseball if, you know, there's not all this market competition for third baseman that, you know, that are a short stop that we saw a few years ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just bad for baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's bad for baseball players.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to do what they want to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish, show here, Tony, and Yoshino, but y'all have a motor weren't teamed up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish y'all have a motor was on the Yankees, but there were people who genuinely argue and like they shouldn't have been allowed.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should not have been allowed to finalize that y'all with a motor deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: You should be able to ban players from going to the destination.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: The doctors are really appealing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry they're so appealing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going to stand here and say, you got to bounce that contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can't go where he wants to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would imagine, we'll never know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say the league tells the Dodgers ownership.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't defer the Otani stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to count the AV.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be, you know, just as it were, if you weren't deferring the money, and your tax bill is going to be $80 million higher.

[SPEAKER_00]: You sign you should know beyond the model.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think ultimately Dodgers ownership would have gotten together and been like, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: It probably would have also done it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would have kept those, but they would have given those players what they want it because they try to win and sometimes it works two years in a row.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and remember, a one last thing on the salary cap that is important for everybody to know is that salary cap still benefit the biggest markets.

[SPEAKER_01]: because if Team A from Los Angeles and Team B from Milwaukee are forced to spend the same amount in terms of the highest dollar amount on, because you see like quarterback contracts in the NFL, they keep going up, but they're eventually caps, like you can't just give an $800 million contract to Patrick Mahomes, doesn't work like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's coming down to two teams that, and I'm just giving a number as an example, comes down to two teams who can offer $300 million to a certain player with the salary cap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where is that player going to choose to go?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Milwaukee, it's not Kansas City.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like with no cap, the Royals benefit by being able to give Bobby with Jr.

$200 in something million dollars in his arbitration years, because A, they can pay a Michelle O'Donnell money without consequence and B, they can convince him to stay before another team says, oh, Bobby Wit, here's $500 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the other angle of the salary cap that will just continue to benefit a team like the Dodgers or a team like the Yankees for this podcast argument's sake.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know what the next steps are.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think the deferrals need to be fixed and then we'll be fine and the world can operate happily.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think so it will hopefully have to wait a year for this on a really want to talk about this until we have to, but there's going to come a time when we have to.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees off season begins now more decisions will be made in the weeks to come hopefully we actually get some small transactions even if it's just minor league transactions we never see.

[SPEAKER_00]: players ever see the light of day still.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we love talking about that stuff today.

[SPEAKER_00]: All that happened was some very obvious decisions became official.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Belinger did opt-out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hasan came up to out of his brave deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is a potential short stop solution.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like that one.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Edwin Diaz opt-in out of its meds deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to go baffo in the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is an option for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: The early Belinger rumors all come from John Hamon unsurprisingly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Belinger is a scuff horse.

[SPEAKER_00]: Client scuff horse does not like how much Belinger wanted to be Yankee.

[SPEAKER_00]: In previous season, so it's no surprise that the early rumors are, it's going to be slow, because Scott Boris does want to drum up as much competition as he can, and he was unable to do that in previous off season, because the demands were too high, the eighties didn't have a need.

[SPEAKER_00]: And last year, the trademarked basically funneled Belinger to one place.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there he went and Boris obviously because he was like he's been telling me Aggies forever.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't you know, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: What am I going to do?

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to do all he can to make this process slower than the previous ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was slow two years ago when he signed his deal with the club.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we slow now and the rumored competition is the Met's Dodgers and Phillies.

[SPEAKER_00]: even haven't in the piece acknowledge that the eighties pursue will quote at least take some time so everyone sort of saying yeah most likely outcomes he does come back to the eighties the meds i they watch his best performances first hand this year the dodgers i don't see a reunion especially if they're going to go after Kyle Tucker which they will [SPEAKER_00]: And the fillies, there will be a lot of shakeups in Philadelphia.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I wouldn't be stunned if they just went way overboard and offered like 180 or 200 million, but I don't think the meds would do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: David Stearns and Steve Cohen even is on record that we don't want to do one sustainable spending giving a crazy dollar amount to balance your to put.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sodo is 800 million plus belligerers, 220 million plus brand and nimmo's money in your app field is the definition of unsustainable.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Met's stuff last year, belligerers not the answer to their problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I would still say it's like, fillies do something insane, or the Yankees get this done in the real question is price, but we may be writing belligerumer articles until February, which is the worst, but it could happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, classic Boris Client, and again, like a limbo, Boris Client, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Bounder is a very good player, but when you are reaching this age and you're asking for...

[SPEAKER_01]: five or six years or whatever it is, and over $150 million, which I'm sure it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody gets hesitant and rightfully so, because you don't want to wildly overbid for a player of that age and with a decline on the horizon.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we've already seen the worst of Cody Belongers.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to return, but that's in the back of your mouth.

[SPEAKER_01]: This can become a strikeout machine and make no contact.

[SPEAKER_01]: That can happen in 2027, and then this contract looks terrible, but yeah, with Boris is going, he's going to milk this as long as he possibly can, he's going to keep these few teams involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: My prediction is the Philly's figure out a way to move off of Harper, pay Belinger a little bit more, pay Schmorber a little bit more, and then they have their flex option and Belinger playing first and outfields, competently, they keep the lefty bat.

[SPEAKER_01]: They get rid of price.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really think price is moving and just after all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: I might not be the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would like it to be the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually fairly confident or probably won't be the Yankees just because we know how they operate the front office operates every time we ask for something.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get the opposite.

[SPEAKER_01]: somebody else they deemed to be a price harbour derivative in Aleppo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exponentially worse option, but we made a Philly straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome your new third base without Jesus Christ.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Jesus.

[SPEAKER_01]: The, um, yeah, the market for Belinger is super limited.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like you said, the meth spending that money for him is a little bit crazy again, unless he's like pedolons, it's a replacement at first base, but [SPEAKER_01]: are we really viewing that winter as a full-time first basement right now with the capabilities that he still has in the outfield.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm expected to be in annoying Yankees off season because it's either the Yankees are going to get stuck with this dragging into January.

[SPEAKER_01]: and they're still not going to have the answers that they need or they're going to pivot quickly and go for other options that are either, you know what I'll hold out some hope.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are other options out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's Steven Kwan who I don't believe as a pound for pound replacement for balinger, but it's a replacement nonetheless.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't hate resigning trend grisha.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also know that's not a Belinger replacement, but it's a personnel retainment that can squeeze Belinger out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think we want to see more Spencer Jones and Jason Dominguez.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a bad thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want them over Belinger?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: But.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are palatable options, just don't want something the heck he's doing something dumb.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who else is even out there for them to make a dumb decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we've seen it happen before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will probably do more brushing up on my free agency before it all set.

[SPEAKER_01]: Free agency's officially starts on Thursday, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, [SPEAKER_01]: You're allowed to sign with teams on Thursday right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, yeah, everyone officially became a free agent.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was belligerent to opt out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Grisham Gold Schmitt, Luke Weaver, Devin Williams, a Med Rosario, Austin Slater, Paul Blackburn.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if any of those guys are going to get retained.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very much feels like to me, the Yankees are going to want to go blank campus after all that's happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: Devin Williams let them down big time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see that as a reunion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's a bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a bad Yankees thought that I have where they think they can get them for undermarket value.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they find that to be something good for the payroll, which I don't know why.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't oppose bringing back Luke Weaver, but the way that he fell off is just like now you're digging yourself out of a hole in a rebound year in New York and it's just New York's not the place to rebound man.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, Ryan Yarbrow is the other one.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like Ryan Yarbrow returning.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like Paul Goldchum.

[SPEAKER_01]: It returning is a platoon bench veteran voice option.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whatever of Belinger Grisham, take with it what you will.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, free agency, officially everybody became free agent today, and now there's a couple more days until people can sign sod that people can start signing on the dotted line, but I don't know who's going to do that early.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy to say that I feel like Ryan Yarbro has the best chance to return of anyone other than Cody Belinger, but I kind of do, uh, stay two of those for the rest of November plenty of important dates, rule five protection, non-tender deadline ahead of the winter meeting is December 8th through 11th.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's when you'll get the Hall of Fame class, might be Don Maddenly, the start of the Hall of Fame class, the veterans committee might be Don Maddenly, might be Roger Clemens, might be Gary Sheffield, probably not going to be any of those people, [SPEAKER_00]: I'll hold on the table, and then you will get the draft lottery and Marion signing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So stick with us.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be going live at a regular times.

[SPEAKER_00]: That week, not regular times.

[SPEAKER_00]: One tree that I don't I can't stomach.

[SPEAKER_00]: No jazz, chism, trades.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just do not do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is I'm even old.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's an S and Y thing people just started to suggest that the Yankees aren't going to extend gestures and they should maybe trade them and I will say I think you can send the middle here The Yankees are a big market team.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are the Yankees, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So just because they have someone who is a star on an expiring contract does not mean they need to automatically be eyeing trades their goals to also win the world series [SPEAKER_00]: In the same way that the Tigers could trade tariff school for a hall, but also should just go try to win the American League and win the world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: The aches are the aches.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should build around jazz chism if they can't come to a conclusion on a new deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: They'll say goodbye.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point when you have to think about how do we fill that hole.

[SPEAKER_00]: But don't make that hole.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a guy who went 40 40 in his first calendar year with the aches and 30 30 in the 20s weighing five season.

[SPEAKER_00]: who just like is worse and older.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a long-term plan, and they traded Rock Rizio for Jake Burrts, so there's no long-term segment in the system.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's jazz, maybe it's not, maybe it's something you have to figure out after 26, maybe you're worried about the salary cap.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what's going to be in the CBA, but for now, keep jazz, win baseball games.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really a debate.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, this is small, and again, I don't know what the value jazz is going to have with one year left on his deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: To me, [SPEAKER_01]: To me, the only option is if you're not having a great 2026, which I think is totally on the table for the Aggies, and jazz isn't playing all that great, and you know that the relationship is ending, then flip them at the deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no reason to go into the season with a whole-it-second base where you have arguably the best advantage of any...

[SPEAKER_01]: anybody else in the league at that position right like who is better pound for pound second then jazz has this flaws right there's a lot of swing and miss there the clutch it bats like we we still question from time to time they're like we saw the playoff performances over the last two years and they they weren't exactly pretty but I mean it is what it is not everybody is going to be able to step up like that that that kind of mindset is [SPEAKER_01]: batters one through nine ready to deliver at a moment to notice and that it's just not not the game anymore so um...

i don't know why you would you would move off of a hundred and fifty games of [SPEAKER_01]: incredible production for, again, what are you getting?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's out there that you can train for?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, is my dream be or are you trading for Zack neto?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you bumping in and you've all be off short stop and making him a bench player?

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, if this is all part of a larger plan that's going to get the Yankees to a different level, then sure, but just like blanket saying, oh, yeah, this is a trade can to this off.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, [SPEAKER_01]: can't turn down off or on the table, but it's not just, oh, let's get value for Jazz because we don't think we're going to accept them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, the Yankees are the only team that can say, like, Juan Soto last year, we're going to trade for Juan Soto.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to pay him 30 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we're going to see what happens next off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: We lose them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't care.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have Juan Soto for a year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jazz season is not Juan Soto, but he's still a very good player [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you should be staying here in every scenario.

[SPEAKER_01]: In 94% of scenarios, I'll give you a 6% that he's treated.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's like Stephen Quann isn't a, hey, if you're me, if I'm the Cleveland Guardians, I wake up and I'm like, oh my god, I'm 26 people in a whole front office.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm the Cleveland Guardians, and I'm trying to make trades for the future in mind, I'm not sure if Stephen Quann is in my future given what I typically pay and the fact that I need power.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have it, and I'm not getting it from Stephen Quann.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get power hitting different makers if I am Cleveland.

[SPEAKER_00]: there's a chance it's even quanky fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Other teams better.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a change.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Padres were interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers were interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like teams were calling at the deadline.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, if I'm the guardians, I'm making them available.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm seeing what I can get.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the Yankees have no reason to make chess as I'm available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, in his final year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be beating the the trade for Steven Quandrum all off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a free agent until 28.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yet in for six and seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why SMY proposed Spencer Jones for Stephen Corn.

[SPEAKER_00]: They sure did, which was about to go, which I would absolutely do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gargins, if you want that, come talk to me and if any McCarran, we'll both try to make that happen, but that's like, that's a trade candidate where, yeah, make sense to go have that conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that person was already talked about it this year's deadline.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, though, we talked about it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jazz was not floated this summer.

[SPEAKER_00]: He shouldn't be floated this all season, whether he's secured beyond 2026 or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: We made it 59 minutes of show before we got a Blue Jays fan in the comments you call Aaron Boone, Aaron Booner.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of what we're dealing with, uh, that is, that's for us, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: We should be calling Aaron Boone.

[SPEAKER_01]: We made it further in the world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they played better in the world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: This year against completely different Dodgers team that you did last year to under totally different circumstances.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, crown crown them crown the Blue Jays.

[SPEAKER_00]: Congrats on playing a different style of losing world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Got to give it to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, Aaron Boner will take that one though.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to credit you for that one.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's ours now.

[SPEAKER_00]: We get to say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can come back if you want to, but that's for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, plenty more on the East, go to our podcast this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: We promise we won't do any more 40 minute shows about the Blue Jays and Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fell relevant though.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers parade is today and have ever third by the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Has there ever been a less buzzed about World Series parade?

[SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine the eighties winning the World Series on a Saturday night?

[SPEAKER_00]: The parade's on a Monday and I find out as it's happening, that would never.

[SPEAKER_00]: ever happen for basically any other fan base LA you are one of one and L18 is not lost a championship round since of course 2018 where they lost the world series the Red Sox since then the Lakers of one title the Dodgers of one three titles soccer titles if they get to the Rams have a super ball if they get to the finals they don't lose so LA fans will come after you to you don't get to be doomers some of you but doomers and my mentions being like we're not going to win games six just blow me out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me, I don't want misery.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you get to the finals, you don't lose.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you have lost it, what have been unique?

[SPEAKER_00]: What have been a unique experience for you to experience championship loss instead, Shocker, you get championship win.

[SPEAKER_00]: So no more complaining.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you're pretty close to a dynasty if you're not one already.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me winning game six.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, that will never improve.

[SPEAKER_00]: Poor old little me.

[SPEAKER_00]: My offensive of all Hall of Famers isn't going to show up, are they?

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not they did once, but they're not gonna twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they did twice.

[SPEAKER_00]: What the heck?

[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna be on the X-go yard podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees haven't been that good since 2009.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe next year is the year a lot of power rankings have them like fourth over all of the pitching staff I don't know how we got there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I commend everybody and I got way too many holes for me to be like yeah I saw some of the world series next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for me this fall for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't [SPEAKER_01]: They have, they have 64% of a roster right now, and they have the second highest world series odds behind the Dodgers, just none of it makes sense to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, not even close.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this, off seasons, how we get the opening name, we get to decide whether or not those odds were earned or whether those odds were insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: We hope you follow us every step of the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every show after today will have a lot more Yakes chatter and plenty more movement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Michael King, like we didn't get to talk about him.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about him, he gets a spotlight soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he comes back there, going to need some sort [SPEAKER_00]: uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be an avalanche for, [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the next six, seven weeks, I'd say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Probably I can tell you're leaving cookies out for Santa Claus.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably my deadline.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you're doing that, when you're leaving the cookies out, there's going to be some movement.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember Daniel Murphy signed with the Nationals on Christmas Eve.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jose Trevino got traded for Fernando Cruz on like December 22nd last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have the cookies out, but I was thinking about like, what variety of cookies might Santa want, you know, like, can I get away with not putting them out this year, guys?

[SPEAKER_00]: Just eat the cookies.

[SPEAKER_00]: My damn self.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was thinking those things and then we traded us at Trevino.

[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.

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