[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, Adam Linerib, and Thomas Heronante.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, some out of water, alongside Thomas Heronante, some Tuesday Friday action this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do that confuse you, astound you, are you okay?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're here, we're back.

[SPEAKER_01]: We waited to Lyon, Boone, Brian Cash, and spoke yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yankees Bingo, Yankees End of Season Bingo, another press conference about a season that did not end in a world series championship or a thicker tape parade.

[SPEAKER_01]: When both men were pressed on their solution to the problems presented in the Yankees, they basically said, eh, that's life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Surprise surgery.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got one of those.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got explanation of a surgery we knew about.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then a total shocker, the Yankees will not be full strength.

[SPEAKER_01]: For the start of next season, but you knew that already.

[SPEAKER_01]: Better to get out of the way on Thursday, October 16th, rather than Tuesday and March 12th.

[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, there will be injuries in frame training, also.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Disagrements between Boon and Cashman hints about future free agency, departures.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're here to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees ruined Anthony Volpi.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, after Anthony Volpi spent a couple of years ruining himself, you got to give.

[SPEAKER_01]: Both parties a little bit of blame for what happened here picture the eggs will be without how they should solve that whether it's really stepping into the terrible market and comment if you've got questions.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are happy to answer them Tom is carrying out a welcome to show another tire some presser and I had some fans reach out to me and say this could have been an email.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just agree I thought the vote be stuff was enlightening and especially the fact that the different answers this was a if you're looking for like.

[SPEAKER_01]: a six part solution to the aches problems and no, this was not a helpful press conference, but if you're looking for something slightly beyond the, and we tried, I feel like this actually did deliver.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I'm never I never feel any which way when these happen just because they're I just I felt for a while that there's just a lack of There's a lack of care to an extent.

[SPEAKER_00]: I understand these people have jobs and they love what they do and they want to win [SPEAKER_00]: But we got more of the same with, oh, yeah, playoffs or crap shoot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you put the best roster together.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you hope the chips fall in place.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, part of that is true.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the Rangers and Diamondbacks in the last couple of years going on a World Series one.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got the 2019 Nationals going on a World Series run.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the race almost go to the World Series.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, they did go to the World Series in 2020.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: there there there is that element to it but the Yankees are they the Yankees to me still don't understand that they are of the few teams that are that are impervious to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have the money you're looking at the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: have run into a lot of teams over the last couple years that completely crop their pants in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is, but they built a team that is so fearsome that teams you crap their pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: The podries last year, crap their pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees in the World Series, crap their pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: The reds warrant competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: the fillies, crap their pants, fillies are great team, but they crap their pants.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've watched it happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: The brewers, three runs in three games.

[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, not hitting.

[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, making defensive lapses.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's something to be said about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of, again, what we deal with on the year to year basis with the Yankees are the holes are the same questions with the injuries.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk plenty about injuries today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this still happening to a greater magnitude with two players that the organization deems important?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is Brian Cash from trying to downplay Aaron Judges Prime?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is Brian Cash from saying that the season had both successes and failures?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's every team season, every team season has successes and failures.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're the white socks and you only had failures or the Rockies and you only had failures or unless you win the world series Then it was just full of successes and you enjoyed your life, but that's only two or three teams every year So I look We got useful information, I think I am just not like this has to be this next year has to be the last year of these two guys [SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Boone and Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm at.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not getting my pitchforks out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not screaming in anybody's face.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not looking forward to Brian Cash and melting down in a few weeks at the GM meetings, but I will say like...

[SPEAKER_00]: this has all run its course this was in to me the the most low energy and of season presser that they've had thus far i think it lacked emotion for the most far like at least in arumbo and i feel is usually the guy who's upset like he's he's upset he loves his players he works hard i don't think anybody's ever denying that um but this time around it was just [SPEAKER_00]: blah, to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's me being harsh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm projected from everything that's happened, but this, this tandem can't go on much longer than one more season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the marker is after next season because of the contract situations and because of the available free agent.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know where to start, but this is it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather review the Taylor Swift album if we want to do that for an hour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Opalette's growing on me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Philly is a solid song.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still think the album's not very good, but it's a little better on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was like, over no.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do agree, and people will throw out and Chris Kirchner said this in his AMA today on Reddit that if they get rid of Cashman and Boon, people who are within the building will replace Cashman and people with similar philosophies to Boon will replace Boon.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that's an argument not to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do make the playoffs every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Brian Cashman has had his moments.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has had his master's strokes.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had a good year overall.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he's been at this for decades with one world series, post dynasty and he didn't really build the dynasty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly not the core and other folks shaped the 1916 and he inherited the 1918 and certain things he gets claim responsibility for training wells for Clemens.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give that one a Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: It was a malange and then since that dynasty core left he has built one other title winner I don't think he's like an historically bad GM I think he's going to the Hall of Fame and I think he probably deserves to go with all of them If you look at the other people in Hall of Fame like Pat Gillick and Brian Cashman Brian Cashman sent an outsized impact on the game of baseball But whether you like him or hate him, you have to agree that his time is pasted by and if someone [SPEAKER_01]: But that person isn't someone who the other GMs have 25 years of exasperation from dealing with and other, you know, agents across the league aren't like, I am so tired of talking to Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's an incredibly long tenure as a GM.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if he hands the reins to somebody who has similar vibes or thoughts or motivations.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the final year and Aaron Boone, same.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Aaron Boone's a bad manager.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think someone with Aaron Boone's temperament and slightly better feel for the game would be an excellent manager.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if someone comes from Aaron Boone's mold, but it's just a little bit better at communication and in-game stuff than Aaron Boone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great, and also even if the person is very similar to Boone and green at first, [SPEAKER_01]: You could get a bump from a new voice entering the, I'm, I'm even excited to see who the new first base coach is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is a first base coach going to change everything?

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not, but it's going to get new blood in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get a new bullpen coach, my car key, 16 years of great service, appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But time for a change, slightly rearranged deck chairs on the Titanic, but it can't hurt to get a new voice, even if the new voice is philosophically similar to the old one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because the old was just been here forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about the injuries and the ways that the Aggies plan has already been knocked off at the block.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the reality is you mentioned it, there's in this maybe a hot take.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's not that much work to do and there's also not that much work.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want the Aggies to do with this freeage and market and with their needs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, tariff school will show us up on the market and you have a chance to outbid the Red Sox Dodgers and Mets.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should try to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should get [SPEAKER_01]: Dido Jo Ryan if you can add a number two or a co ace go go with the pitching super team like this is where you modern make you fans [SPEAKER_01]: don't feel the way he fans from 20 years ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: Phil, those Yankees didn't stop.

[SPEAKER_01]: If there was an opportunity to better themselves by adding another superstar, they did it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what the Dodgers have done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Glass now, Blake's now.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should know we have Mamo, oh my show here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tony in the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get here?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, there's so annoying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they just kept adding.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't need Blake's now this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And other teams let them add.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was the other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like everyone's getting mad at the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the red socks let them do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees let them do this with Blake's now.

[SPEAKER_01]: But other teams, other teams stop, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Other teams look at the coming off the world series.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, what do we need?

[SPEAKER_01]: We got a recent task for Hernandez.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's like us bringing belly back this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: What else do we need?

[SPEAKER_01]: We could use an outfield bat.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go get Michael Conforto.

[SPEAKER_01]: Most teams coming off the world series wouldn't be like, let's just get the best picture on the market.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have a playoff rotation, but wouldn't it help if we add in the best picture on the market?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, does he want to play here?

[SPEAKER_01]: He does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pay for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the Dodgers do.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's what the Yankees used to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if tariff school bullets the market, no, the rotation is not the Yankees weakness.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if the Tigers want to engage and I've already seen a lot of tweets about how the Yankees are going to get out bid by teams with superior farm systems, the Tigers have Max Clark and Kevin McGonagall.

[SPEAKER_01]: in the infield, Bryce Rainer last year, their shortstop, first-round pick, Bracenio, and Tyron Lorenzo, their top prospects are position players.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Aggies' top prospects, and young, big league-ready major leagueers are pitchers.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the Aggies, it depends on how the Tigers view the Aggies' pitching, it's off the system.

[SPEAKER_01]: They'd probably have to include Spencer Jones.

[SPEAKER_01]: They might have to include Lombard, but the Tigers don't really have a need for, if the Tigers ask, [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give them to you, but the Tigers don't really have a need for him, but what they do have a need for is Lagrange, El Maradriga's Cruz, Ben Hess, Camp Sliller, painful, but like if they ask, you don't talk about it, like the Yankees do have this top of the rotation, impressive stuff, collection, and minor league pitchers.

[SPEAKER_01]: You want to package three or four of those guys together and Spencer Jones contingent on a scooble extension?

[SPEAKER_01]: Be my guest, I would do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a scary team does.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the Yankees used to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would be nice and it is funny how everyone, the back to the Dodgers running baseball conversation, it's like the payroll verse revenue figures came out and the Yankees invest under 50% of their revenue back into their payroll and I know every team can't do that like invest heavily but the Dodgers invested 73% and that's probably the difference.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you want to talk about capitalizing on other teams, mouthfeasants, like I just mentioned it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mookie bets came on the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dodgers said, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll extend you for any framing came on the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brave's disrespect to them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dodgers said, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want?

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll make it work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yankees were passive there, like snow this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Otani and Yamamoto are legitimate arguments.

[SPEAKER_00]: They telegraph their intentions.

[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to be with the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing I think any other team could do.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they went in trade over glass now.

[SPEAKER_00]: When the raised didn't want to pay the money anymore and the raised knew that they were changing their outlook for the next few years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, if the Yankees were [SPEAKER_00]: anywhere close to aggressive on any of those fronts like and you look at who the Yankees have chosen and I don't I'm not critical of these moves to an extent where it's like they didn't do anything to improve this team but like they went after Carlos Rodon and I understand Rodon is is largely fine but like that is not that's a guy who had no posties and experience who had a giant history look we like the signing I still like the signing [SPEAKER_00]: I have to die with it because I lobbied for it, but the Yankees stopped there and I know that it was just it was in terms of the off the I'm talking about twenty twenty four twenty twenty four is really where my gripes are because they had they had the opportunity to sign Blake's now they didn't want to go with all that money at that time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then, oh, no, I'm sorry, they kept their offer on what they were going to get him and then he signed the one you're deal with the giant so if they went up [SPEAKER_00]: 25, 30 more million with they have had Blake Snell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me get the Brian.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get the Brian hook tweet Twitter's estimated up great to premium.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the hook.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I'm going to do that right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say a break there was a hook tweet that said essentially, you know, they can't pay both.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brian cat December 9, 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never forget it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's had Blake Brian catch one said the Yankees had a zoom call with Blake Snell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we're told things were, quote, moving fast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yankees declined to make an offer saying they couldn't sign boats now in one photo by the next morning snow was a Dodger They didn't sign one photo, so they couldn't actually sign either of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't sign either of those people So they picked picked between two people neither of whom came to the eights Yeah, and if you go even back further, they offered him before 2024 or 150 million Reportedly [SPEAKER_00]: and Snell said no, and the Yankee said great, we're not offering any more than that, and then he went to the Giants for the one year for $30 million, and then he got $182 million from the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what, again, I don't know what the negotiations look like, but it's clear if you went, Snell at that point for however much, then you're not overpaying for Max Freed at that point, and then maybe the Red Soxign Max Freed instead of trading for Garcrosha.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, there's just, there's a ripple effect [SPEAKER_00]: you want to talk about the trade deadline in 2024 when it was obviously Yankees had problems and they again I thought that deadline was okay they got jazz but they didn't help they didn't upgrade the bullpen and they didn't really improve their defense because getting jazz only mattered to an extent because they couldn't move labor and jazz around so they put the end [SPEAKER_00]: they stop with Virdugo.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you look at like the Dodgers get rid of Michael Conforto who they invested $17 million in right before the postseason and they're better off for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees who invested essentially nothing in Alex Virdugo and were paying in $8 million died on that hill and then died in the world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Dodgers are sure you wanna have a different podcast conversation about how the Dodgers are running baseball because they have a multitude of millionaire billionaire owners [SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: How's time brother running the show by himself versus, you know, seven million air billion airs get all getting to chip in at once and take their pick at their guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that is different.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you look at the, you look at the payroll disparity like the Yankees could go a little bit more over the tax if they really want to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: They, they opt not to.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees could trade more their top prospects if they really want to want to, want to, for major league count.

[SPEAKER_00]: They usually don't because they don't like to get burned and they don't want to feel like they're over leveraging themselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: So and that's really where it all comes from like you even look at a team like the Rangers from 2022 to 2023.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just went and they invested in all of the guys that they wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want a world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that always workout?

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't put like it worked out for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Yankees are smarter than a team like the Rangers.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an old shade to the Rangers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Yankees just have decades and decades and decades of [SPEAKER_00]: highly professional experience in their front office.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, this is where it gets confusing because it's like, don't we have all these resources at our disposal?

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't we have the ability to be cut throat when we want to?

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't we have the ability to write wrongs with a few extra bucks or with a couple of extra young players?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it just feels like there's always a cat.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's always a threshold.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're gonna see it this off season two.

[SPEAKER_00]: People are saying, oh, what if the payrolls probably gonna hover around 300?

[SPEAKER_00]: If the payroll hovers around 300, they're not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: there's not because they have too much committed to the payroll now and if they are not going to be able to add via trade because they don't they're going to be competing with other teams of better farm systems or they're not going to go after whatever top free agents there might be if you're interested in them just talking theoretically they're not going to get better because they're going to they're going to be losing more talent so this is where you know Brian Cashman claims he's going to exercise every avenue but [SPEAKER_00]: But like again, what does that look like?

[SPEAKER_00]: Does that look like making a quick splash early and then not doing anything kind of like what they did last year?

[SPEAKER_00]: They signed Max Freed and they hung around for a bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I know they ended up getting Belinger, but that was a four gone conclusion for weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they got like some of the other personnel decisions, was it foresight did they get lucky?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Trent Christian had a career year, did they see that coming?

[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Camp Sheila emerging the way that he did is that a credit to the developmental system absolutely did they see that coming though they didn't they would have been in big trouble if he didn't come up So That's it like they have the capability to do what in theory the daughters are doing I'm not saying invest 75% of your pay will right now, but like [SPEAKER_00]: 49% dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's got to go up to 60 if you want to be serious.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't feel like they're that serious.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's it's I saw a tweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good tweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was the Yankees are selling nostalgia as their brand and the Dodgers are um [SPEAKER_00]: a selling a dynasty and I'm there there's ebs and flows to that because the diver the daughters and ten years might be fucked like well we might be having a potweight could be dead in ten years but the world could end in ten years but in ten years we might be talking about how the daughters are fucked because they deferred all this money but it could get them two world series and two years and three in the last five and that's really all you need it defines an era as well as he's going next I don't know [SPEAKER_01]: Life's good for them and the Yankees make a ton of revenue so 60% is not too much to ask you look at the met spending 90% of their revenue the met don't make anything But they spend it all they probably lost money.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was only 44 million dollars in profit.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely going to the rest of the operating costs [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this year's free agency class again, just not the area Displurves.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's if you want Kyle Tucker fine, but Alex Braggman's not walking through that door.

[SPEAKER_01]: Boba Shenz probably not walking through that door.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's the trademark in your hamstrung.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got to give up your top prospects to get and you probably have to sign and you bail in your work Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_01]: Both could be fun, but they're not going to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Boone said, you know, it's we called it out on the previous podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: He said it out loud yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: quote, I don't know the reality is we've had a really good club in certain years probably one of the best clubs in the league.

[SPEAKER_01]: All I know is it's time to dust ourselves off and then try to build another club that puts us in position to take a run again.

[SPEAKER_01]: In certain years and probably one of the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: He just said it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There have been years under Boone when they have probably been one of the best teams in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: There have been years when they were probably not one of the best teams in baseball, there have been zero years where they were definitely the best team in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: As the Yankees with a brand like this, once and almost a decade, it's not too much to ask for one year and almost a decade where you are the best team in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you might lose the world series and you might lose the ALCS, you might get upset.

[SPEAKER_01]: but you can look at the end of the day and go, what happened?

[SPEAKER_01]: We were the best team in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: How did that fall apart?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this year's brewers.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees have never had a season where they were the best team in baseball under Aaron Booth.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've had season where they were one of the best probably.

[SPEAKER_01]: 2019, they were one of the best they lost to a better team in the Astros.

[SPEAKER_01]: 22, they were the best for the first half, then they lost to a better team.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Astros 2018, they were definitely the second or third best team in the league, but they were better than they were.

[SPEAKER_01]: So still waiting and look, the least, [SPEAKER_01]: you can hope for is that there's this organization of philosophy that's not going to work at least you can hope for us for them to be unified on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've got boon and Brian Cashman saying opposite things about Anthony Wolfie yesterday.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?

[SPEAKER_01]: And look, okay, so his surgery that we all knew he was going to have once his shoulder popped in her.

[SPEAKER_01]: If we didn't know it in early May, we knew it went by the time they shut him down for cortisol shots and acknowledged that he had a shoulder problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone started their beatwriter started writing.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's on a wrap on that shoulder all year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay, very helpful.

[SPEAKER_01]: His surgery will knock [SPEAKER_01]: They gave us the time money yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can't swing her back for four months.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can't dive for six months.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to dive to play majorly shortstop.

[SPEAKER_01]: The damage is more extensive than they thought editors note, frickin' duh.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so much of what we lost, look, Anthony Volpi, I'm not gonna break you grand here, not a perfect player, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a guy who showed us that he's a majorly regular, let alone an above average player or a star or an all star.

[SPEAKER_01]: But his best month of his career was April, March 20, 25.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get a 784 OPS, like you can closer.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's in 237 with an OPS Neary 100.

[SPEAKER_01]: the Torpedo Bat Volpi.

[SPEAKER_01]: And from that point, he tore a shoulder up, played through it, making poor swimming decisions, flailing, less strength than he should have, clearly affected.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can't say it was determined the div of his poor season that he had an injury, but clearly affected.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you look at this stuff that makes no sense like he's a range factor going down and him getting more tentative in the infield.

[SPEAKER_01]: It either makes no sense at all and comes from nothing or it comes from harbouring an injury, being anxious about what you are and aren't able to do on the field like range.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you know you can't dive without popping your shoulder out, your range is going to suffer, because you're going to be tentative like it makes sense and then the aches turn into this ultimate villain.

[SPEAKER_01]: playing him through this injury and Aaron Boone defending him like I don't think it's I don't think it's affecting him at all and so the rest of the world is like Okay, so you're player just sucks got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's an excuse there for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could take it But you don't take it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't take it all year and then at the end of the year when they shut him down Star movement who's like, come here when you think they're gonna take the excuse.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't they bring both be back as a starter And he has a great first round of the plans against the red sucks great sneaking 87 mile an hour single to the whole but he was fine You know, we're not scared crochet [SPEAKER_01]: second round worse than ever, clearly the court is on shot wears off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday, Aaron Boone, who's supposed to be the protecting his players guy, said once again, he didn't think, you know, it worse and are affected him.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he said, he would he regret so obviously that it was a bad situation, but he wouldn't, he doesn't regret doing what he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_01]: says, you know, he needed surgery, which wasn't on the table at a point in the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, it was worse than we thought it probably did affect him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the protecting his players answer is the cashman answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: The answer of, okay, so it actually was worse than we thought, um, a lot of what you saw.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was something that didn't show up on the MRI and he needs surgery.

[SPEAKER_01]: So hand up, we made a mistake.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't think he would and he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: The boon answer was, [SPEAKER_01]: it's got to be the same.

[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you can't differ.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have different answers between the front office and the manager.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll maybe they're trying to prove a point that the manager doesn't dictate what he does dictated to him by the front office by being completely an opposite directions on the Volpi thing, but you have to be aligned here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Boone gave the answer that protected Volpi less, because he said, I would do it again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it affected him all that much.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if it didn't affect him all that much, then he's just not serviceable, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a symptom of bad communication in the organization?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a symptom of Aaron Boone?

[SPEAKER_01]: try like I don't think Aaron boom is necessarily throwing Volpi under the bus, but I think he was saying no, he said he was good to go and we believe he was good to go, so like we can't really say that his play was affected by his attachment said this to like it if a player isn't complaining and it's not showing up in the MRI then you can't force it, we bench them sure, but if the performance is that bad, you can it doesn't have to be injury related, he gave you enough to just take [SPEAKER_00]: correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the confuteable.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that I don't understand about any of this was literally a month ago was September 12th.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have the hope to eat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cashle was asked if Anthony Volpi would need surgery in the offseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, as of right now, no, that could change based on imaging, but right now there are no indications of that being the case.

[SPEAKER_00]: So a month ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he got injured on May 3rd.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He played all of May, because remember, that's a full month.

[SPEAKER_00]: May third, you're playing the whole month.

[SPEAKER_00]: Never took a day off.

[SPEAKER_00]: All of a, he got one day off before they all start break.

[SPEAKER_00]: One, and it was the day after he got injured and he finished the game that he got injured.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so he played all of May, all June, all of July, all of August, and half of September.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing was wrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Had to get two quarters own shots over that span or three quarters own shots over that span, but nothing was wrong image-in-wise.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you're telling me that he played a May, June, July, August, half a September.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he played four and a half months on the injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, nothing was revealed to you that he needed surgery.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then less than a month later, [SPEAKER_00]: He gets surgery with the season ends and he gets surgery five days later.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And your telling me there was no need.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just, again, it's a lie or we're dealing with the craziest, like turn of events in regards to like injury situations that this team has.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know how [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, they could say at any point, like they couldn't even suggest, oh, boom, couldn't even just, oh, yeah, you know, the injury was there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it played a role, maybe it didn't, like I would, I would probably guess that it would because he struggled in a way that we didn't expect.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that was part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, it's always how fast all of this, all of the how the narratives turn.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like to tell me a month ago that there's no indication he needs surgery and then you don't wait even a week.

[SPEAKER_00]: since the time you're eliminated, Volpe the day they were eliminated, said they asked him, are you gonna need surgery and he goes, haven't really thought about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I plan on playing baseball for this entire month and then making a decision based on that at the end of the month.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so he didn't maybe, maybe that was true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I literally don't know, but again, the optics are the optics.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has to undergo surgery.

[SPEAKER_00]: He cannot swing for four months.

[SPEAKER_00]: He cannot dive for six months.

[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, and in famously your opinion, because you wrote about this, they ruined his development.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is, I don't know if there is much of a leg that they can stand on with that, because you go back to the day Anthony Volpi debuted, played in all 160 out of 162 games his first season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron booted mids after that year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He suffered a little bit because of the workload and he wasn't expected.

[SPEAKER_00]: He he wasn't used to playing that much and it was the first time he played in over like 150 or 20 games in his career.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he gets not forget about like going up to 160.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was struggling well before that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that they didn't catch on any of those were the fact that they ignored straight up those warning signs and let him continue playing is malpractice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing happens in year two.

[SPEAKER_00]: He plays 150 nine games.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the other.

[SPEAKER_00]: The first year was 160, second year was 159, flip them, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't rest him at all in year two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then year three comes.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has a great April.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: we were excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that vividly because I said, holy shit, if this is like, this is it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just having be competent, having that 250 with a 720 OPS, and we are good, like we are good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And fielding, just just keep the status quo.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need a gold glove, just no stupid errors.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of it falls apart after this injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they still don't address, they addressed it once, and it was in the middle of [SPEAKER_00]: team seemed to be better by mixing him in Kobayero in and then at the end of the year they just go right back to Volpi and then they let him strike out 12 with 15 times and the season and they don't they don't take him out and any of the games except for the bullshit at bad for Jason Demengas at the end of game form and they were already dead to rights.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's going to miss the beginning of next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: My bet is that he's not ready till June.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you lose an entire off season like that, and then not have a spring training, and then like what is he going to do?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have to play in triple A for three weeks to start the year, and then he's not going to be fully like, or he's going to have to start just at the developmental complex for the first month.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's going to have to go play a triple A for two to three weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: then he's gonna have to get it worked back into the line like this is a long long process and he's not gonna get a fault so the options were i guess obviously maybe he needed surgery in May and he would have missed the whole year is that possible i don't know that would have sucked but guess what he would have been fresh and ready to go for this year now instead you let his play cascade the worst it's ever been again the worst it's ever been [SPEAKER_00]: You'll look at the numbers and you can probably up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, you know, yeah, the decent power numbers here on base was a little bit higher here average.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't matter if you want them all together.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an 85 OPS hitter with a two to 20 average and a six 60 OPS.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's all bad no matter how you split it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So.

[SPEAKER_00]: they let the play continue on that front.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this year is essentially a lost year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now the beginning of next year is going to be a lost year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how you're expecting him to get his true sea legs under him as Brian Cashman would say after coming off major shoulder surgery that has you a mobile for almost half the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So effectively, we could predict right now his development is ruined.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a crazy thing to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: they also turned him into a villain this year if he gets a surgery in May he's just a guy who struggled in years one and two he's not like the devil the way that's I mean he fans treated in this year because the war got cut in half because the defense went to shit like in the last couple years he was a gold glove shortstop who's bat was lagging behind this year he was a zero from the point of the injury forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: You check his divine pages like you see it it's under the hood above the hood it's all bad no matter where you are located on the hood it's not [SPEAKER_01]: They'd say his chase percentile, he's in the 76%ile for chase percentage.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that's possible because all he did was chase low and away breaking balls.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess most of his case were on fast balls in his own, but he's just on over the to a foot over breaking balls in the other batters box, routinely flailing towards the end of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: The game logs for the Blue J series are a bomb and a bull, no kidding, he needed surgery.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if he has to miss the, you know, made to the end of the season recuperating from this surgery.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fine, the Aggie set themselves up for dessert.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't have helped inserting us while Paraza wouldn't have helped.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would have had a similar level player in their every day because they did not get insurance for Volpi.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get anybody to compete with them until they brought Kappa Erwin and then they had somebody who was a great solution.

[SPEAKER_01]: In an ideal world, Kappa Erwin is not a starter, but this is not an ideal world.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should have been your starter down the stretch.

[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as he arrived [SPEAKER_01]: and he should be your starter next year with a caddy to begin the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what they do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when you see Volby, but it's very plainly not early.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to have to play a minor league baseball for an extended period of time to build his strength up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And while we're at it, you're not going to see Carlos Rodado start the season either.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which...

[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, pictures break down.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is what happens to pictures.

[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot expect to make it through a season with your whole rotation intact.

[SPEAKER_01]: Half your rotation intact is also a stretch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happen last year they could submit coal heel heel and coal before the season even starts.

[SPEAKER_01]: Schmidt was also a slow build.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they lose him to Tommy John midseason, but he did suffer injuries before that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he they left him back in Florida and Carl's Carrasco is in the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So things happen in the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd much rather Carl's were on get a procedure done now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do it in February, March, April, beginning the year or God forbid of the All Starbreak.

[SPEAKER_01]: He got a bone chip shaved out in his left elbow, he'll be in eight week no throw.

[SPEAKER_01]: That explains the velocity dip in his final four starts and his poor exit, which was arguably his worst start of the entire year in game three of the Toronto series, the game where the Yankees came back and erased the deficit so we all kind of forgot the color for it all with throwing up meatballs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am pro Carlos for it on again the playoff resume not quite there but the regular season you one of the best lefties in baseball I will take him good contract shouldn't have done more good contract he will not be in the opening day rotation when he returns is anybody's guess I don't know he's going to start the year building back up right into comeback the third time through the rotation in mid April or if it's going to be closer to early May mid May I don't think starting pitching [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Aggies can get passes speed bump.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess now is when I would rather find out that he needed to press surgery and explains some of his late season struggles, but still.

[SPEAKER_01]: How many teams start off the off season with a press conference where the manager and GM can't get aligned on whether the starting short stop was two injured to play or not injured enough to play or just suck on his own.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then after having that back and forth, they're like, and also our number two starter had [SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't happen to most teams, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you would know you're waiting for an update on an injury.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they told me Aaron Judge doesn't need elbow surgery knock on what I hope that's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I was waiting for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I knew he was injured.

[SPEAKER_01]: I knew they were going to confront something there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know Roddam was injured.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was no hint of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really tough.

[SPEAKER_00]: And look, am I being too harsh?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we can't call the starting pitching a [SPEAKER_00]: because of what just happened in that BlueJay series.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's bad, but like I have weakness.

[SPEAKER_01]: You ended up with one guy at the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you were most reliable picture was a man who made 14 starts in his career at that point.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like, and well, I'm not discounting what Max Freed did in the wild card series either.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was arguably his, [SPEAKER_00]: Best start of the year pound for pound when you consider all factors Carlos Rodon held his own against the red socks, so there's no complaining about that, but [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the, the, the bigger series in terms of the team that was better than you all year and the team that actually like the Yankees ended up getting the best of the red socks with that, um, with how they ended the year in Fenway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I understand they ended up taking two out of three against the blue jays two, but their biggest problem of the year was at Roger Center and they did not solve that at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even in yesterday's press conference.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cashman's excuse was just nip, they had our number all year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I get frustrated because it's like, dude, this was a last place team in 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have the same essentially personnel as they did last year with, you know, some exceptions.

[SPEAKER_00]: They got lucky with Shane Bieber, it was a shrewd trade deadline move.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, trade a savage came up, but like cancel that out with Schlittler like that it's a it's a it's a net negative for it's a it's a net whatever you want to call it.

[SPEAKER_00]: they got they ended up getting yeah look like they got better years from a few of their other guys but so did the Yankees like the Yankees got a 30 30 season from jazz they got a 34 holdman year from Trent Grisham they they picked up Cody Belinger they had Ben Rice come out of nowhere and be an X-factor um [SPEAKER_00]: like there is that they had John Carlisthen is one of the hottest hitters in the league for a month period.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Yankees had their struggles, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: The bullpen was terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: Austin Wells was really bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Volpi was bad and you know there was the overall lack of consistency with the pitching as a whole in terms of them being on the same page in that middle three months stretch.

[SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: to sit up there at the end of the year and say, oh, the blue jays just had our number and to not look at the fact that they were, they were in last place, the year prior, you have had their number every other year that they have been on this earth in the modern era.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like this year is just, oh yeah, it was just one of those years where they just, they had us and there was no solving it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just confusing to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you go back to the starting pitching and the starting pitching especially struggled at the Rogers Center during the regular season.

[SPEAKER_00]: games one and two happen in the D.S.

[SPEAKER_00]: and you're just like what the hell man I was just starting pitching in those games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: Was it good?

[SPEAKER_00]: He was actually fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He'll he'll was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well he's in the bullpen and we already moved him to the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he he he's projected in the bullpen for 2026 and after winning rookie the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was mostly I think game one was the symptom of the Yankees again.

[SPEAKER_00]: The bat's going quiet.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Max Freeds agreed just outing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't happen and that's really what set that that's really what made a difference in this entire series the blue jays knew they were rolling after that And then you have Carlos Rodon in the game for and I'm sorry no Carlos Rodon in game three and he puts up a stinger there and the ball pen gets overused again and then it's all on camsular game for to [SPEAKER_00]: pick up the pieces and make sure that he bends and doesn't break and he did an excellent job, but like it wasn't enough because the Yankees needed more from that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the more that they should have been getting was from Rodon and Fried.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Rodon, I guess, has an excuse because there was something wrong with his elbow.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was impressive that he managed to pitch as well as he did that long with that injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like Max Fried was this is not really different from Max Fried [SPEAKER_00]: You look at Maxwell's playoff numbers outside of bits and pieces of that world series home at the Braves.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been really bad in the postseason and he went to about two and a quarter months with the Yankees this year where he had a six plus ERA.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I like Maxwell a lot, but you have Garrett Cole coming off Tommy John.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be back in May, maybe?

[SPEAKER_00]: That is you will not see him unleashed until beginning of July if that you have Carlos Rodon probably delayed until May of this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would predict Clark Schmidt might come back in August.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a first full season of Camp Schiller, which is both great and scary because he's one never had that workload before.

[SPEAKER_00]: And two, I want to see him unleash because it's exciting.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have Luis Hill who we're already predicted throwing in the bullpen for whatever reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have Wilmore and who I think was solid, but like unspectacular, I think a good guy to have is your number five, but like someone you're never throwing in a playoff series as we saw in, [SPEAKER_00]: in game two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why what did he do in that game?

[SPEAKER_00]: How do you look?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: A bad spot to put him in, not right by Aaron Boone, but I might.

[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't have executed worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if we can avoid calling the pitching staff a weakness because the rotation was overworked.

[SPEAKER_00]: The injuries are here and I don't know how much we can lean on max [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the Yankees kind of knew that they brought him in as a luxury addition and they had to lean on them in the playoffs and they kind of got burned for it and it was supposed to be garracle and then max read and then crawls right on or however, which way they wanted to maneuver it with both those lefties, but [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not so sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really not so sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, the pitching over achieves every year.

[SPEAKER_00]: They overachieve in the being of this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not a bad thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you overachieve, it's a good thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying, oh, these guys are walk around overachievers.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, they kept us off.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they didn't do what they did in the beginning of the year, we're having a different conversation at the end of the season because of what they did in those middle three months.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of start to finish, there are holes.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: dropping this bomb on us again at the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, like you just picked them with a bonus room bone chips and it's like, all right, did I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you do in that scenario, but the fact that it was secret and like there was never anything to come out on it just has you wondering about other stuff as always.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a you're always wondering about stuff that you shouldn't be wondering about and that's the problem with that's a problem with this team.

[SPEAKER_01]: There were some heroes, or a Schlittler stabilizes them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Devon Williams, Lacy's and David Bednar.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there were definitely some reasons they made the post-season relatively comfortably instead of falling entirely out of the bracket, which was not just a possibility, but I would say a probability in the series where the Rangers were inching close to knocking them out of the post-season in early August.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they came through when they needed to in September.

[SPEAKER_01]: They gave us a reason to believe that October was different.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then the entire regular season, [SPEAKER_01]: And then it didn't because the Toronto Blu-Jays, like Brian Cash and said, had their number all year, that's a problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't have a team in your division that has similar personnel to the previous iterations.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden get your number year of year and you just can't figure it out or solve it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And nothing you do helps.

[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you don't do all that much to figure out why that's happening to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he's writing was a problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's [SPEAKER_01]: also bothering me by noting that it was an unsolved problem for the duration of the entire season.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think, again, I don't like the market much, so I feel like you're going to have to bring in impact relievers this off season, two, three, not one, two, three, not one, two, two, three, four, not one, two, right, the more the merrier.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rotate you does need your rotation to be a strength by midseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you need a guy like Merrill Keller who's a continent to be able to eat innings early instead of just turning to the kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: The kids are nice, but you're going to need some sort of veteran who is a 3.5 to 4 ERA guy who can be Marcus Strowman at his best in April May and for half of June and then you don't have to pitch him in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Merrill Kelly is a higher ceiling than that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he knows it can taun us right around that ceiling at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just bring in somebody that's all I ask because you're going to need the rotation to be nails.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to need the bullpen to be excellent.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because the offense is going to lose.

[SPEAKER_01]: Grisham and maybe also balance your air and judge is going to not be this level of air and judge at some point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Stanton Ben Rice, like are their steps forward or are they regular?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like Stanton's been opposed to his players whole life.

[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't this year is jazz gonna be a postseason player is been rising to be a postseason player or am I just gonna be seeing a lot of regular season players and it's the same old same old I think the eggs have enough to get through the regular season I think the key to the postseason is the rotation of bullpen being that exceptional that if there are three or four key offensive contributors that decide they're not postseason players they can still survive and win three one games or five one games just get some clutch hits get some depth like [SPEAKER_01]: Or in a mid-Rezario type, I already for Rob Reft Snyder on the site.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you wouldn't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He made like $2 million last year and hits 300 with an 800 OPS against lefties.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Deming is you play against righties.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reft Snyder you play against lefties.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the little pieces like that at the New York Yankees need.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if they actually get them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But until we know what the roster looks like, I know the pictures that we do have have to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: upper crust versions of themselves for this team to have a chance to be better than it was last year because I just don't know what the offense is going to do if it's comprised of a similar personnel when the lights are bright and it does sound like [SPEAKER_01]: Grishman, Belinger, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of them's gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: The way they talk about Jason Amingas, you don't know if they talk about Spencer Jones, like he's a guy who has a chance to be on this team next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of, that sounded like a Caleb Durbin quote to me, like, hey, we're gonna, you know, give him every opportunity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's earned the right or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Durbin has earned the right, too.

[SPEAKER_01]: They talked him up a ton and then they traded him for Devin Williams.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like they were talking up Spencer Jones, but I feel like Jason Amingas's future is here and they do next year he needs to play or he needs to be gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: and how does he play?

[SPEAKER_01]: Bryan Cash from quote, I still really like his ceiling, but again, you've got to see where the winner takes you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what the roster looks like, I expect him to be a regular player for us, though.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does that to you, forecast, Bellinger, Grisham's departure?

[SPEAKER_01]: Or an expectation that the winner is going to take them further away from Dominguez, because you can read it both ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, um, [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're lying, classic Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it, well, look, it could mean one of two things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where am I leading?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're lying because if they're saying, Dominguez is going to get regular reps next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Cashman is saying that Spencer Jones, he says, we'll see what the offseason, I don't know what the offseason is going to hold for Spencer Jones.

[SPEAKER_00]: late ways to double a and then hit and then dominated triple a like what what what's he going to do this offseason do cartwheels in the weight room and you're going to oh this guy's an outfield or so we'll we'll take him on board now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um in terms of domingas.

[SPEAKER_00]: If Aaron Boone thinks he's getting regular reps in left field next year um that would mean he needs a complete defensive makeover.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um and he cannot play against [SPEAKER_00]: or I'm sorry he has to completely revamp his approach against left-handed pitching whether that means he abandoned the right side of the plate or he becomes better left on left.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, this is where I'm stuck though, because I don't think the Yankees would trade him at his lowest value.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he has much value, much like Volpi, much like Wells.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they would do.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my first convoluted response.

[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, if they do, actually, believe he's going to get regular reps, then yes, one of Belinger or Gresham is gone, because [SPEAKER_00]: we just saw them abandoned Dominguez when they lost the DH spot after Stanton came back in June, his playing time gradually, gradually slipped and then it fully fell off a cliff in, or it started to fall off a cliff in August and then it was gone in September.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know what this slow play is with Dominguez has been.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense now that you're going to move.

[SPEAKER_00]: then he was playing and he was playing okay and you could spot his clear flaws and it was like okay so we should play him the eggys didn't think this of course all the fans were saying okay cool play him as a platoon guy [SPEAKER_00]: And utilize him against right-handed pitching, and this will be great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And utilize him as a weapon off the bench to pinch run or to give an app at against a right-handed reliever late in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have your formula.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, they just either played him every day or didn't play him at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, again, it's one of those questions where, what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: The vote be questions, the vote be questions in the complete opposite direction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he playing every day when he is bad?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a million times worse than Dominguez and Dominguez was barely league average.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dominguez loses playing time solely because there is a log jam that you created yourself in the [SPEAKER_00]: If they are truthful in that Dominguez is getting every day reps, my best guess is that Grisham is gone, Belinger returns, and then they could put Dominguez in center, see how it goes, and if it doesn't go well, then Belinger goes back to center, and then can oscillate between center and left like he usually did.

[SPEAKER_00]: He gets spell, maybe Ben Rice at first base, depending on what happens there.

[SPEAKER_00]: and then if push comes to shove, you know, maybe they do bring back in a Metabrasario, and he plays some life field, or maybe they find, again, that my biggest thing with this team is is approach.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Aaron Pune is right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bryan Castro is right.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a talented group of guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they don't lack talent.

[SPEAKER_00]: They won 94 games or won a game away from winning the division against the Blue Jays team that had the gear of their lives.

[SPEAKER_00]: All those guys had the year of their lives, and we were right there, we were tied with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just lost the tiebreaker.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, loss didn't earn it, but like one one away.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this group is talented.

[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it comes down to a approach.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to fill out the depth?

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be with intention.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if these guys exist.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't know if they exist.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jock Peterson 2021.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that version's out there in free agency or via trade, but that is what the bench needs to be filled out with.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm not like the dinosaurs with dinosaurs.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had future hall famers and former all stars on the bench like the perennial all stars on the bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to happen and so many switch hitters for matchup and also just everybody was scared of the Yankees brand still at that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and look, I'm not, I'm not asking for a 180 on this front where it's like, oh, let's just, you know, do what the Dodgers do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's too late.

[SPEAKER_00]: We miss that boat.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now it's like, okay, you got a taste of what you just did at this trade deadline, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You upgraded with intention and you actually added meaningful parts of the roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: Caboiero, great addition.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan McMahon say what you want about his offense.

[SPEAKER_00]: The defense is tremendous.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no arguing against it.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is value for that in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some players are one sided.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to deal with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not every guy you're getting is going to be in all around star.

[SPEAKER_00]: Match up nightmare for left-handed pictures great that you have a tool off the bench to utilize.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying all these guys should be The ones that you choose, but there has to be other options out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do some more deeper dives on that as for you to see gets close closer and as the trademark It starts in materialized, but that's the biggest difference for me because if you have that flexibility then you don't have to force to mingas into playing 150 games when maybe he's probably best suited for 120 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to play Anthony Volpi for 160 games and he's probably best suited for 120.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then play off time, changing approach, like the biggest thing with the Yankees is, oh, our process is good.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of talented guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers are there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you not see the numbers?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see our judge's numbers is here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see jazz, chism, zumbers is here?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see Cody Belliger's numbers is here?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all great.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we should do fine when the postseason comes.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, because Aaron Judge took seven years to revamp his approach in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: We just saw it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a jumping off point for years to come.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully he's got the reformer years of his absolute prime left before the decline begins.

[SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't care about that though.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to think about maximizing his prime.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: You simply can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Belinger, I think just bad luck that he was the only person on this team all year that changes approach in runners and scoring position situations and in two strikes situations jazz.

[SPEAKER_00]: didn't change his approach whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was as pain, it was as clear as day when he was taking it bats in the postseason that he had no, there was no flip that was switched from September to October.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the difference.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need guys like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: John Carlos Stanton again, bad luck.

[SPEAKER_00]: He usually does.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what his formula is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't do it this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then Rice learning opportunity in this year's postseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh...

hit that home run that was excellent fell off a cliff he's got to learn from that he's got to figure it out but the Yankees if they want to get talented players i think again they have talented players it's about holding that talent putting that talent in the best position to succeed and giving yourself enough flexibility with um...

approach guys off the bench that can change the look of your team and i just have not sure the Yankees are succeeding in all those facets over their over this air judge window [SPEAKER_01]: Jason to Miggas, totally fine here.

[SPEAKER_01]: All things considered.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: One on one, OPS plus, 22 years old.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see more of him moving forward, but if the Yankees don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, move on, then you do Kyle Tucker Bounder, but I would open that door.

[SPEAKER_01]: We need to find pieces who can compliment these stars in October and who do not disappear in the same fashion as the ones that we ran into the posts he's in line up this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Aaron Boone, like you said, I agree with you that this is one of the more talented teams that he has ever managed, if not the most talented.

[SPEAKER_01]: Except for the bullpen, [SPEAKER_01]: which was abject garbage and cost them five, six, seven wins this year, they stole, they stole a few writing and saved the say 97 98 wind team like just media now come with the way that they played and it just gave them a better bullpen and that's what that's what you would have seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: You might have seen a different fate this October or you might have seen them go down in the same way that the 97 wind brewers have gone down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Either way they're missing the secret sauce [SPEAKER_01]: They faced off against the Dodgers last year, which is two losses in the postseason on their ledger, and they were not on the same plane field.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers put pressure on the Yankees, the Yankees buckled.

[SPEAKER_01]: This year, they got past the Red Sox, and we agreed might be the toughest test to the whole postseason in a shortened series.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then they faced another test and because of their regular season, they had to start that test on the road and because of that regular season, the Blue Jays had their number again and ran them over with a tractor.

[SPEAKER_01]: and then game four is one of the most classic games playoff losses you'll ever see.

[SPEAKER_01]: But without games one and two, you don't notice game four so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you sweep.

[SPEAKER_01]: You probably don't, but you're probably going five.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're playing that game at home.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're done playing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were very talented this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes the whole pin being terrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: So frustrating.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes the way they crash out of the playoff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So frustrating.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm not so upset that the philosophy is not changing and that [SPEAKER_01]: you know, confident in the ability of the team on the field, but I do need to see because I like the philosophy mid-season of let's get on that reserve and let's get off to the Slater and let's go Jose Caballero.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get people who do the little things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get people who are match up nightmares.

[SPEAKER_01]: It took a while to pivot, but I liked that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Austin Slater got hurt and he barely played and he was pointless.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at a resort.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was good valuable.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I'm here.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was good valuable.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let's attack the offseason with that mindset.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I need to give a chance attack the offseason with the mindset where we're a big game hunting.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to grab one star and then we're going to take the rest of the offseason to just sit and rest on our laurels.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to work again, especially if the star is Cody Ballinger, who we've already seen and we already like.

[SPEAKER_01]: But wasn't enough this year and is losing 34 homers from Tread Grisham is losing a lot of 99th percentile outcomes from last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It certainly isn't, and again, got to get really creative.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cash from Has been capable of that at times this off season, it's going to be tough because it's again, it's another one of those top heavy pre-age in classes and then you're kind of sifting through the sludge and you don't know who's going to be on the trademark because it look.

[SPEAKER_00]: talk about school all we want.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that that's now making waves for all these teams.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll believe it when I see it should the egg is being bombed?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mushed the tiger's family's worth.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, don't live out of the building.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean like a greed that he should never leave, but [SPEAKER_00]: If there is a chance, yeah, the Yankees need to be out bidding in some capacity, the field because they can't let the dog ears get them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't let the red socks get them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't let the meds get them?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can't let the meds get them.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like at that point, what's it like?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your trade off?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to leverage the farm?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you like, do you want to leverage a farm and get a generational talent?

[SPEAKER_00]: and potentially pay him a lot of money and then maybe trade one of the other bad contracts on the time comes or do you want one of your rivals to get him and then just keep getting pasted for the next five to ten years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am not, I'm not hitching my way into any of those blockbuster trades just yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give the offseason a few weeks, everyone's getting a little bit ahead of themselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a tough off season for the Yankees to navigate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a tough couple months of the 2026 season for the Yankees to navigate with the talent that they're going to be down.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, the messaging after this end of season press conference, I'm just not sure I'm not sure I'm too confident.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll be here.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be podcasting.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be writing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be on top of it all.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll hear from us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: We wish we could, sometimes, but we're not, we're gonna be here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate, I'm glad the post-mortem is over.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now we move on to the projections.

[SPEAKER_01]: We move on to Aquamodo, Japan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps, the decky Matsui, deliver him to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, when the Yankees make a major league signing, if they make a major league signing, major trade, we'll have some fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see Jake Bird, we'll get excited for spring training again, but I do think the ceiling as of now feels a little bit lowered.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit less uncertainty weirdly because plan B could have gotten in so many different directions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now we know what it feels like, but we also know it wasn't good enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: So join us throughout the off season in two spring training into the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy yourselves folks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if something develops over the weekend meet something neat pierce into the Astros today.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, could we get a drop like that for the Yankees?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a dribble It's like a little a little piece of hurt anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean Giants Broncos and like the tiny Yankees move all time stay tuned.

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