[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, Adam Linerib, and Thomas Karinante.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Inks Go Yard Podcast, some Adam Linerib alongside Thomas Karinante.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know less about the Yanks, he's off season plans every time we log on to the podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been an November of Whip Lash.

[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't even really done anything yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've breased time Ryan Yarborough in Tim Hill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've already gone through.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to offer the qualifying offer to Transcription.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was one podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then we did, oh my gosh, they did offer the qualifying offer to Transcription.

[SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: Then we did reports are that he's going to decline it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gray moved by Brian Cash when he must have read the market properly.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're doing, oh my god, he accepted it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to accept the possibility that a player is going to accept the qualifying offer if you give it to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I don't buy is that like the Yankees are blindsided by this, and they were like, oh shit, oh no, no takebacks, oh no!

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think they probably, probably, probably, expected transition to lead.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think, but they weren't completely unprepared for the possibility that he would return.

[SPEAKER_00]: We thought maybe they knew more than us, though, [SPEAKER_00]: Not does it hold you back from some business.

[SPEAKER_00]: How much business does it hold you back from?

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's gonna hold you back from doing something.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know the aches do not have an endless budgetary reservoir.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about the reasons why I think it's perfectly okay if you want to freak it's on doomerism, if you want to freak out a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they're obviously, we don't know how the offseason plays out, but there are some people who just did not want transition back on this roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're happy to say goodbye after one great year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one year where he was buried on the Dept.

[SPEAKER_00]: Charple O'Alex for do go.

[SPEAKER_00]: And those people have every right to freak out because he's coming back.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you were done, you wanted to see Trent Cache and elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see it in on a high note and the playoff stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Gave you pause and uncertainty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those people have every right to freak out because he's coming back and a high cost.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Yankees are the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're 22 million one year deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they can absorb that.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can, they can do a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could have added other majorly talent.

[SPEAKER_00]: The year they signed Garrett Cole, you know, obviously, but they did, they only signed Garrett Cole in bright gardener.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can do a lot, they have been able to do a lot of things for a decade, but they don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know how this turns out.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we know a lot of people are like, you're complaining about bringing back a 34 homeroom center of yield.

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are the problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we're where the issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tom is carrying on, they welcome the show lots of breakdown of course, but really all centered around one topic because this one throws a major inch in the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We can only believe what we're fed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so if I were being fed a lot of strange things in the wake of the track Christian decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am eating baseball news and it tastes, I don't know, yeah, I'm unsure it's that it's the kombucha lady mean where it's like, yeah, don't know, I am not mad about trend Grisham taking the qualifying offer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a good player.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's an obvious overpay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's never, this is going to essentially match his career earnings.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no debate that it's an overpay.

[SPEAKER_01]: The qualifying offer inherently is an overpay for short-term flexibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees attempting to bring back good players, I think is good business.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nice job.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, [SPEAKER_01]: The good business aspect of it takes a little bit of a hit when you are wondering if trend Christian is going to come even close to replicating those numbers, which would match the value of a $22 million contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a question you're asking yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he was largely not great for most of his career, though he had flashes of power, and he is a very good defender.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the heights that he reached last year, [SPEAKER_01]: they've never been reached before.

[SPEAKER_01]: And to roll the dice on that happening twice in a row, I would say that's a significant gamble, but I'm not against it because again, he was a good player, he was a good fit, it really all just came crashing down when he disappeared in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as frustrated we got with that, not really fair to judge him on that sample size, it was very small was his first postseason in the Bronx.

[SPEAKER_01]: the way that the Yankees construct this roster again is the problem they bring in guys on one year deals or short-term packs and then they don't have enough runway to establish themselves or you know get over the hump of a bad first year or a tough postseason or a bad first two months.

[SPEAKER_01]: So with Devon Moons, bad first month and a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: kind of ruined everything, didn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, that's why I think number one, some people are concerned about him picking up the qualifying offer when it was reported by multiple people that the Yankees didn't expect him to pick it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Secondly, is again the fact that nobody is mad that they are bringing back a guy who hit 34 home runs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are mad again that the potential overpay and the potential [SPEAKER_01]: Miss Chessmove here is now going to limit spending elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: Depending where you look, I look at a couple places, seems like the consensus was that the Yankees had a $238 million payroll going into this offseason with all the departures and with all the projected arbitration salaries.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trend-grishum salary now brings it up to 260.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Steve Colin tax threshold is 304 between 304 and 306.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that theoretically gives the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: If they're going by this mandate, gives the Yankees $45 million to build an entirely new bullpen, to bring back Cody Belinger plus another bat, to bring in another starting pitcher, to kind of rehabilitate the bench in some capacity.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, unless they want to blow by that, unless they want to be a behemoth, unless they want to go into the Dodgers' Mets realm, which they've proven they're not willing to do over the last six years, then yeah, it's a problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's an obvious problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not...

[SPEAKER_01]: They could do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could do it history shows.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have no interest in doing it and they don't care.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why people are mad.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very simple.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you cover the team and you know everything that's gone on with this current era of baseball, especially since Aaron Judge debuted when they cut payroll after trading for John Carlos Stanton when they like you said didn't sign a single or major league talent after Garret Cole after adding Garret Cole.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, rightfully people are mad.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if the Yankees were so confident that Trent Grishon was going to decline it and they were going to get this fourth round pick and then he went back around and said, oh, you know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually a great deal for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to accept it and they made that misstep to put them in this position.

[SPEAKER_01]: unforgivable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't entirely think that happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the little part of me says, I think they're going to go for it and they're going to spend and then they can reset the tax potentially next year by going below with, with Grisham comes off the books and they have these other contracts that are coming off the books within the next couple of years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's certainly possible, but like to not understand the initial outrage is a little bit ignorant to me based on their behavior.

[SPEAKER_01]: this puts them in a box in terms of quote, running it back, that's why I'm upset.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not angry trend.

[SPEAKER_00]: Grisham is on the roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm upset because of the box.

[SPEAKER_01]: The box is this.

[SPEAKER_01]: The consensus is that everybody wants Cody Bellinger back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Most Yankee fans want Cody Bellinger back.

[SPEAKER_01]: The front office probably wants Cody Bellinger back.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am sure the roster guys on the team want Cody Bellinger [SPEAKER_01]: Trent Grisham it's no slight to the guys on the roster because I think we have a lot of good players and they did have an exceptional season top to bottom this year and the playoffs changed that entire perspective not fair but that's [SPEAKER_01]: life in this sport.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's life in New York, but if you run it back with trend grisham and Cody Belinger and your spending gets limited and capped at that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you get Garrett Cole back.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty damn good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's going to be good for 2026.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's partially a rehabilitation here, so you're running into issues like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: the offense is with running it back is really that that means the Yankees are relying on Ben Rice to have kind of an otherworldly year.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're relying on Austin Wells to rebound.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are relying on Ryan McMahon to maybe not strike out as much as he did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they're doing at short stop.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's an entirely different problem that we could discuss at the end of the podcast, too, with some interesting rumors popping up.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are maybe banking on another 30, 30 season from jazz chism.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are banking on Jason Dominguez taking a massive leap.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like that's a lot of what ifs and not very many concrete answers.

[SPEAKER_01]: The concrete answers you have are Aaron Judge, [SPEAKER_01]: Max Freed, I think Carlos Rodon is less of a coin flip than he's ever been, but I think the volatility still exists.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love Camp Schlittler.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any way in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can predict Camp Schlittler to do what he did in 14 starts across 32 next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has an incredibly bright future, but that is wishful, wishful thinking based on what we see year over year with players.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard thing to predict and it's a hard thing to predict for a guy who has barely a major league baseball experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: if those are the pieces of the puzzle that the Yankees are saying hey if these work out and we bring these guys back and like maybe the playoffs I saw tweet and so it was like well you know you could you could live with the possibility of the Yankees running it back with a very good roster again a 94 when we're all same same amount of wins with Juan Soto on the team in 2024 and getting hot in the postseason and I would read but and say that they have never gotten hot in the [SPEAKER_01]: since 2018 and even in 2017 they weren't hot because their offense was really bad after the DS and it even was bad in the DS until they exploded for two of those games so that's a that's another scenario where you're like what but why would I why would I think that that's going to happen [SPEAKER_01]: because it never does happen and it hasn't happened in 10 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're just going to, oh, year 11, don't worry folks, it'll happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, this is part of the problem.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's [SPEAKER_01]: not having those sure things in the lineup in terms of, you know, postsies and experience and pedigree, balance, depth and all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And less and just overall fewer question marks.

[SPEAKER_01]: In the Yankees year by year, go into the, with a lot of question marks.

[SPEAKER_01]: And their bets don't pay off at, [SPEAKER_01]: a rate that would send them to the upper echelon or the next level.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the problem in a nutshell, but hey, Trent Grisham, congratulations on the cash, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_01]: We even enjoyed your time here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Another year on the books, looking forward to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Need the teams to just do something else interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think we can all miss can all go away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the metrics would indicate the transition move rework to swing and made it shorter and quicker to take advantage of the porch and it take advantage of honestly any ballpark because it did a lot of great damage on the road.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would indicate that he is poised to if not repeat last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone's going to forecast him to run it back, but I think I would forecast him to be valuable next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's only, he's only here for one year and he's not going to be here beyond 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't put a qualifying offer on him again.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees made it very obvious when they offered in the QO that they were not going to go to you trying to bring him back on a five year, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: That this will be his final year in pinstrips.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in a vacuum, there is nothing wrong with bringing trend Christian back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't claim right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's not a playoff riser because of one bad post season zero.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two technically, they're at sucks short and post season series, but they won that, so we'll overlook it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was batting at the jays.

[SPEAKER_00]: All of the eighties got decimated by jays, lefties.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody got decimated by trade-a-savage.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was not the only problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't enjoy when people keep throwing out offensive stats from last year as if they're unimpeachable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you have a post season, [SPEAKER_00]: where offense is that hard to come by.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just makes it clear and clear that a lot of those that regular season stats were built on punishing low to your pitching and and racking up tons of it and looking how many of the run scored ultimately came from the craziest outlier series of the year against the Milwaukee Brewers to start the season like how many of their league leading run scored were set in that series 36.

[SPEAKER_00]: 38, just an absurd number of runs were scored.

[SPEAKER_00]: In a series that at the end of the season, you look back on that and go, that was completely irrelevant to the ultimate outcome of the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Aaron Judge did say he wanted to explore running it back with Christian and Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason why you're hearing rumors that they're not out on Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that in fact, Mark Fiancean said they're the clear favorite for Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: So from this point forward, I do think it's reasonable to expect that Cody Belinger is in [SPEAKER_00]: for one more year before clearing a path for 2027.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Aaron judges almost definitely playing the majority of this season in right field as long as he's healthy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's my problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: The box, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not that that outfield isn't worth coming to play with.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's your opening day out field.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's some quality there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But very good, I feel very good, I feel.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's, there are now, if you do sign Belinger, there's long-term certainty at two positions in judge and belly, no long-term certainty at center field.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you have enough firepower in the outfield right now that you are blocking Jason Dominguez from reps.

You are blocking Spencer Jones from reps, which in my opinion is less agreed just because we don't know what Spencer Jones is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a hot month, a really hot month, [SPEAKER_00]: like, why the Eagles are ridiculously foolish for not selling high on Spencer Jones.

[SPEAKER_00]: During that one month heater, you ever think that maybe other teams, you know, it takes two to tango and trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: You think that maybe other teams looked at Spencer Jones and realized this is a one month heater and we're not going to buy high on this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can't trade if another team doesn't want to pay fair value for the player.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not getting the eggs front off as that much grace.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give them grace on that one because why are they the only party to blame for Spencer Jones not being traded during his absurd value inflating hotstree?

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to imagine the other team is weren't fooled either.

[SPEAKER_00]: and guess what, you know, he didn't get dealt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's on the aches, he needs more time to triple it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little less agreed as to block him.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are, if you bring back those three, you are locking out Jason Dominguez and you are doing so with center field unsettled for 2027 and beyond, because Grisha is here for one year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you really, [SPEAKER_00]: want to learn as much as you can about Jason and Ming is this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want to learn whether or not he is the guy that you can rely on in 2027 and it would be a shame to have him as a fourth outfield or for another year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Stanton's getting hurt, he'd probably play a good deal of D.

H if you kept him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you'll eventually figure out a way a workable rotation to get him in there more often.

[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, it does feel like you're taking away yet another development year from someone and people are going to clown on him for being an old prospect.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even [SPEAKER_00]: He's still plenty young.

[SPEAKER_00]: This would be an if you bring back those three and you have one area of the outfield that is not locked down long term.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would be very unfortunate to not be able to learn more about Jason Dominguez this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are taking a year of development off of his plate essentially.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then let's say you don't bring back Belinger and you're bringing back Rachel and you're [SPEAKER_00]: There's still another position unsettled and for 27 and beyond.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the tail end of Aaron Judges' prime, your goal that, let's say, Dominguez, you know, he'd better show out in that situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because if he doesn't, then you've got judge, nothing, nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: and and Dominguez and Jones have free paths to roster spots, but the Yankees are like the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to hand Rippie's roster spots, putting Spencer Jones opening day next year, high pressure situation next to Jason, but like Jason, I mean, as if he gets full run as a leftfielder this year, he'd better hit 30 plus homers, otherwise he's gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: You better show defensive improvement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, he's gone, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot go in a 2027 with young player, with question marks, young player, with question marks, Aaron Judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that, like, that's that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just like, deeply confusing.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be really hard for the English to learn what they need to learn, no matter what collection of talent they throw out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then beyond that, [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are we sure, Belinger is the guy that you want to pay six, seven year deal to as the numbers build up.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are the clear favor for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the Metz are involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the Blue Jays are involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want a lefty compliment to Vlad Jr.

come to the latest rumors.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is a tweet that really made my eye, bro.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go up.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was basically like, hey, think about it in a vacuum.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would you rather have Cody Belinger and Ryan McMahon or Jason [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather have the second two.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to trade two years of Ryan McMahon's money.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to balance your wants, come back and judge wants him back.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to say no to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to give out a similar length contract to balance your two brigman, who will also request and who, like we talked about last year, is not a great fit for any stadium.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, in a vacuum, I'll take 23 year old Jason to Mingaz's upside and Alex Bragman's sturdy leadership and 275, 20 homers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take those two in steady defense, you know, that's, that's what I want, that's not possible if you bring Bell in your back.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not sure it's possible regardless.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we are where we are.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we're, we're already forecasting okay, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to bring Bell in your back.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be the same outfit as last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think two of our top prospects are now stuck in a hole.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think [SPEAKER_00]: as much as we want to wish cast as much as we're looking at Devon Williams contract talks and saying, okay, if they're doing that, then maybe their payroll is going to be $340 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe $300 not just a line in the sand, it's not a line at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it really is hard to imagine based on the Garrett coal Opsies and based on many Opsies, where they've said we're going full throttle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, we're bringing back Aaron judge, bringing in Carlos Rodon, and that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to imagine them going further than those two.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why people are upset.

[SPEAKER_00]: The developmental box and the payroll constraints.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, that, that tweet, that's certainly an interesting tweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, if they want to have Jason Dominguez, just bat lefty, I'm on board.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I see him on the right side of the plate, I just, there's no feasible way that that can be an option.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also don't know how you trade Ryan McMahon.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think there would be interest right there's there can't there can't be a whole lot of interest for a defense first third baseman signed at a 16 million dollar A.

V.

What is interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: However Is Ryan McMahon Doesn't have a lot of experience, but he has some experience at first base.

[SPEAKER_01]: So is there a world where you side Alex Bragman [SPEAKER_01]: and you use the DH spot as you do.

[SPEAKER_01]: John Carlos Sant mostly lives there, but you can get flexible and cycle in Bragman, cycle in Judge, cycle in Ben Rice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Have...

[SPEAKER_01]: McMahon be the backup third baseman first baseman coming off the bench playing in 135 games for 16 million dollar like I is that crazy I don't know I've never seen Ryan McMahon play first base.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not advocating for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they know that he's willing and able and capable of doing it [SPEAKER_00]: Cable, obviously, he's a pro, I liked watching him last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like fervently anti-Ryan McMahon.

[SPEAKER_00]: That couldn't get much worse than it was last year too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you see a full season of Ryan McMahon and go, how does he have eight homers?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to hit 23, he's going to play great defense.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to bat 224, that just depends on if that's kind of guy he loves.

[SPEAKER_00]: He could be Scott Brosius in the right setting.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a bat eighth.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he had a big whole run in a playoff game to the Yankees ended up.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's 300 in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm fine with Ryan McMahon.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can somehow find a taker and you can get Alex pregnant in the building, you get Alex pregnant in the building.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really opposed to it and that would make things different because like we've been talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees overnight got too left-handed heavy.

[SPEAKER_01]: overnight they had no lefties and then all of a sudden they were like wow we have too many lefties so bringing bellinger back again a move that I would like because I love the flexibility there everybody arguing over oh who's the better fit Kyle Tucker Cody bellinger oh oh well it's obviously Kyle Tucker because he's the better player it's like no because the Yankees don't then the Yankees would be displacing their best player so that argument is now out the window [SPEAKER_01]: In a vacuum, sign the field right now, and it was Kyle Tucker was a left-fielder, and Cody Belinger was a left-fielder, and Cody Belinger didn't play first-based or center field, then the answer would be Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we have a different circumstance here.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees have too many redundant players and they're in a situation where the best player, the best position player on the market, plays the same position as the reigning MVP.

[SPEAKER_01]: arguably one of the top five or three Yankee of all time when all is said and done.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a different conversation to be had about Cody Belinger versus Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you'll look at the numbers for the career, not a whole lot different, really not a whole lot different.

[SPEAKER_01]: The positional flexibility that Belinger does bring helps the Yankee's more than what Kyle Tucker brings.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to talk about [SPEAKER_01]: or not like going Steve Cohen and paying $70 million in tax, Cody Bellinger is going to be half the price and he's a year older.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's just an argument to be had there outside of just saying, Oh, Kyle Tucker is better.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's the fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, there's a lot of problems here.

[SPEAKER_01]: for Breigman coming in and Belundre leaving in this hypothetical scenario that gives the Yankees and other right-hand about it limits their defensive flexibility, but at the same time, you would think that they would be able to make it work with all the other personnel that they have.

[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest concern obviously is Jason and Mingus playing left field because Tranker is from his back he's playing center.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the end of the story.

[SPEAKER_01]: is Jason Deming is going to take the defensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are they confident of that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is Ryan McMahon one tradable or two able to be that utility T also has [SPEAKER_01]: uh...

two hundred and forty four games at second base for his career um...

which i did not know and uh...

his fielding percentages are better at second and first and they are at third which is crazy to think about because i thought his third base defense was phenomenal um...

and again i would pay sixteen million dollars for that i think third [SPEAKER_01]: base elite third base defenses.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not all about offense, everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the defense is very important as we've learned the last few years So do the Yankees think Ryan McMahon can do that jump across the diamond when he's called upon and they can get enough reps in there for everybody [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's just tough and then who you bring in back to fill out your bench is it going to be Is a med risario going to come back This fence or Joan going to be on this Spencer Jones going to be on the opening day is just that there's a lot of questions and again It comes down to the lack of stability on this roster the Yankees have an incredibly top heavy payroll With the same guys who have been here for largely the last five or six years [SPEAKER_01]: and then it's a revolving door.

[SPEAKER_01]: So many people are leaving every year that they can't maintain continuity now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Understand that there is that that's that's a hard thing to do, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not easy, but the Yankees again have the means to do it or at least limit the amount of volatility there and they don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the frustrating part where [SPEAKER_01]: fans are talking about you know fans are fixed hyper fixated on the twenty two million dollars for trend Christian for that reason fans are hyper fixated on oh we got to get the best player in the door because we're not good enough for that exact reason we're not good enough because the continuity lacks.

[SPEAKER_01]: not good enough because there is not enough of a cohesive core that goes to the posties in every year and takes care of business, there's something wrong with other parts of the process as we've talked about.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that this much is up in the air for a team that's supposed to be as good as the Yankees are Like look at the mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've nothing against Steve Cohen.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Steve Cohen's a great owner.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say that right now He is vocal.

[SPEAKER_01]: He listens to the fans.

[SPEAKER_01]: He spends money.

[SPEAKER_01]: He throws caution to the wind He views it as he viewed the team as an opportunity rather than an asset Not every not every owner can do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that but [SPEAKER_01]: would you do you want the mats offseason right now?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know why why do the Yankees and mats the two arguably two of the more prestigious franchises in the league or at least in recent the mats have [SPEAKER_01]: leap, leap frog to relevance over the last five or six years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why, why is the Metz coaching staff getting gutted?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we talking about seven trade candidates for the Metz this year?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do the Yankees have a ton of roster turnover and no concrete answer?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, not even close to a concrete answer because of everything that's transpired since the end of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just bewildering to me and then you have teams like, you know, the Dodgers who are the Dodgers and they do what they do and even [SPEAKER_01]: They remain to extremely, I know there's been disappointment there, but that's a team that's not afraid to spend, they have a good, they have good cohesion.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, even the Astros, like, I know that they do what, I know what they have done over the years finally kind of caught up with them this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they could be right back in the mix next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what it's going to look like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not the greatest team I would say, but the last two and a half years, they've kind of really proven that they're not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're able to keep Tark's Google and keep adding, they're going to get in the Yankees way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I firmly believe if the Yankees face the tigers and the DS, they would have lost that as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just overmatched in a variety of ways that didn't line up with the, it's a matchup nightmare for the Yankees in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_01]: For the Yankees and Mets to be the most chaotic this off season with all the assets they have at their disposal [SPEAKER_01]: all of the resources they have at their disputes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it that's where the frustration comes from and then again, you look at the Dodgers and you're like, one of these two teams should be the Dodgers and they're so far away from it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what's next for Cody Belinger?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think he's going into the highest better?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see the chat talking about that earlier.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a Boris client.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't rule it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he liked being with the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think if the money's closed, he'll stay with the Yankees, but guess what?

[SPEAKER_01]: I said that about Juan Soto last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a difference of $5 million guarantee dollars and then $45 million of floating money.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's going to, if that's going to sway you in terms of going from a team that you really enjoyed being with and had high hopes for and is the most historic franchise in the league to just going to a more family-oriented environment in a couple extra box.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then I can't, I can't predict because I'm not in anybody's head.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Cody Belinger, at this point, the market is growing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think teams are valuing the flexibility and [SPEAKER_01]: Um, his approach at the plate and his overall experience and the fact that like he's had these crazy highs and lows in his career and he's only persevered [SPEAKER_01]: still on the he's turning 30 or he's turning 29 so the age is still there for him if they can get you know five six year deal done and if the Yankees get priced out there it's just it's hard for I think really the main point here is that it's hard for the Yankees to justify going top of market for Cody Belinger competing with all these other teams and then figuring out their next steps after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm enjoying the comment section of course, except for the weird comment about how the easy to cut paint with junk or all of a stand and stuff is enough with this guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a comment from 2003?

[SPEAKER_00]: We were close to the, we only got two more years left to stand and yeah, I, it's not my favorite that he's a permanent de-age and stops you doing what you're going to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: flexibility wise, you could certainly do much better.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, I mean, he is their secondary thumper and last year, got a 158 OPS plus he also got every big hit in the 2024 playoff run, not one soto, soto walked off into the world series, but every other big hit was delivered.

[SPEAKER_00]: And essentially, so, I mean, there's, yeah, there's an argument to be made that when his Yankees career ends, it will not be like an irreplaceable loss.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll all send him off, you know, with a wave and a smile.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, I definitely don't want to, I'm not sacrificing any offense, you know, given how little they have that I can certainly, when you were talking about players like Ryan McMahon and like, you [SPEAKER_00]: glove first dudes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to need as many guys who can hit 45 home runs in a full season as I can get my have one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cares about 24.

[SPEAKER_00]: The comments say, dude, he was better last year than in 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing the 2025 playoff?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's ditch John Carlos stand because of a bad four games.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get, I can't get on board with that tape.

[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse us, is there a week?

[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so John is there second best player last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse us, is there a week?

[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the excuses?

[SPEAKER_00]: These are second best player last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get better players, but don't get rid of him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, let's see, let's see, excuse for judge not performing in the playoffs for eight years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Take get rid of Aaron Judge.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, I understand.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, he can't run.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is baked into the DH spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: It limits what the Yankees can do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's somewhat frustrating.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have that lack of flexibility, but you don't need him to play a full season.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need him to play a full season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen this take in a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen this take in a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's also like, again, that discussion about John Carlostin ended four years ago, because we know that they're not getting rid of him, we know that he has a no trade clause and he's going, he's going to control where he would go next and they value his postseason contributions.

[SPEAKER_01]: and his postseason numbers since he's joined the Yankees are better than anybody's.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a hard thing to part with.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd be against it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, if it's going to improve the team and help the flexibility, you just have to make the right moves after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying that [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get rid of Stanton, and then you're going to trust them to make all the right moves after that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just coming in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just coming in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know what Stanton is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Odds are low that he's going to play in full season ever again.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get him for 80, 90, 100 great games.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to hope he goes on a playoff heater like he didn't 20, 24.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently we can't care about 20, 24 is playoff run.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we can care about 20, 25 is playoff run.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which came after a much better season first and then the one he put up in 20, 24.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you're you're going to take what you can get from Stan, you know, you're not going to if you've trade him, you're not going to be able to clear that salary.

[SPEAKER_00]: You say nobody wants him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody wants to pay that money.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to eat half of that money.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you get rid of him, you're not clearing salary that you can use on somebody else, you are eating money to get rid of your second best power here.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, believe me, when Stan is gone some day and the [SPEAKER_01]: they can already free it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: He only plays in 90 games a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's freed up for 70 games also valid like some day the flexibility that will be a silver lining of the unfortunate reality that stands gone, but I think way too much standards are saying we've been guilty of it ourselves, too, but he's he opened our I thought he was done.

[SPEAKER_00]: As a viable major league power hitter in the middle of the summer of 2024 and he went on a playoff run for the ages and then I thought he was never coming back last year when he had double elbow injuries and he came back and hit 273 with 24 homers and 240 on that season credible.

[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I welcome Stan and back and this problem always takes care of itself.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to see more stand next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have news for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get heard at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get your wish.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they'll be paying them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be paying in regardless whether they trade him, whether they keep it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The chat also bring up the idea of Luis a rise.

[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting, but the OPS plus numbers for our eyes are basically what McMan's are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two league average hitters.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because one of them is a league average hitter who hits 20 homeruns a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them is a league average hitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: who had six home runs a year and has to hit three 30 or higher to be as valuable as the people who love him, think he actually is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I love the change in profile that Luis Arise brings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love the contact forward profile, but the defense is direct.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is a guy who really is going to have to place a major DH for you and I would rather have stanton in that role operation.

[SPEAKER_00]: The comments probably go together either way or first base where he's not going or you get rid of Stanton to bring in a rise I think is what this comment there wants and for me that's a no go I agree contact is At us as an essential element we need variants in this lineup, but getting rid of John Carlos Stanton to bring in a contact hitter doesn't hit all that much is not for me [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can't, it's, you simply can't contact hitter needs to be playing defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: The power hitter is for DMN, well, maybe that's an outdated approach by me, but if the DH, the DH spot needs to create runs, not simply just get on base.

[SPEAKER_00]: My 300 hitter needs speed, my 300 hitter needs defensive versatility like a league average hitter rebats well over 300, that shows how poor all of his other skills are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Any 300 hitters should be a way above league average hitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not because he doesn't have the complete package, so I welcome the comment.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say talk to some Padres fans if you wanted to have a feel about the Luis Arise.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That taught me a lot about what it's like to root for him on a daily basis.

[SPEAKER_00]: Watching them go through it last year and watching them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've got Padres fans, you know, the baseball insiders just called praying that they don't reunite with Arise.

[SPEAKER_00]: So look, maybe you can see to learn that harsh lesson, but I don't think that's worth it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, always remember with this, the roseier picture is the stuff you're seeing from afar and not immersed in, so like, the John Carlos Dan argument is perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that when he was on his toward playoff runs, other fan bases were envious.

[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that is valid, but they didn't watch him for a hundred games, and they didn't watch him when he would slump for two and a half weeks and be in a relevant hitter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, from your perspective, so that would be front that that's, it's always different when you're not watching a player for a full slate of games.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know for a fact that if you're a Yankees fan, you don't have the time to watch a hundred podries games, but you got to watch the Yankees and then you got to go to bed because sleeping is important.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather have the, I'd rather have Reese Hoskins over a rise to as the comment section is saying, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing with a rise.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, he hit 292 in San Diego last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how bad the rest of your offensive game has to be to weigh down that value?

[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't walk.

[SPEAKER_00]: He never gets on base outside of the time to hit.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are we hit 292 last year with a 327 OBP?

[SPEAKER_00]: 327 is a horrendous OBP.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with that though because I like the contact, but in this again, and this, if let's say Louisa Rise was an above average first baseman, I would still be fine with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ryan McMahon had a 312 OBP last year by the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan McMahon and Louisa Rise are very similar offensive players.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about this though?

[SPEAKER_01]: What if Jason Dominguez just hit 300?

[SPEAKER_00]: What Jason Mingers was awesome, have you great?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of don't know, again, what we're looking at with him, like, what do you do here if they bring back bellinger or they sign Kyle Tucker for everybody out there who wants that, then what do you do with Jason Mingers the Spencer Jones?

[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to have two fourth outfielders at that point, or at least one.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, you'll have two for 2026 and you'll need to get Spencer Jones off on the right developmental foot, but you'll also need to get Jason to Ming as enough reps to prove that he's able to handle it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So another Twitter discussion that I saw which was interesting was that there's a group [SPEAKER_01]: a sect of Yankee fans who believe that Jason Ming is did not get enough run last year to prove his worth.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a very easy rebuttal there, and it's that he did, and he didn't prove it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was bad defensively, and he couldn't hit left-handed pitching, and he couldn't bat on the right side of the plate.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: at that point and look the Yankees process I don't agree with the Yankees process is because the same logic would be okay so then why did Alex for do go play as much as he didn't 2024 when he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat and when his defense [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't as impressive at certain points in the season that we had believed.

[SPEAKER_01]: That should have lost him playing time to Trent Grisham, for example.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: For Dominguez, I think he had a chance to prove himself, and he didn't run away with that opportunity for whatever reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it was, look, he had a league average OPS, which I think is good for a young player.

[SPEAKER_01]: He, [SPEAKER_01]: clearly has the tools like with his speed, his base running, his ability to hit for contact N power.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has no defensive tools.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where that came from in the minor leagues.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what scouts were looking at him.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has no arm.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has.

[SPEAKER_01]: Terrible jumps on the ball takes terrible angles to the ball, so that removes You know half of his abilities and again, maybe it's the center field issue Maybe he's only comfortable in center field.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know like I don't I'm not a coach But if Scouts were this high on him leading up to his career and then he comes into major league baseball and moves to left field I at the big league or he had a lot of left field reps in the minors, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Dominguez.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had he had enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: I again didn't like didn't watch all the minor league games.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: This white prospect evaluation is problematic and tough because you don't have the time to watch all of the.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the double A and the high A games and you're going off based on what the reporters and the scouts are telling you and they all seem to be impressed with Jason Demingez's defense and either they were wrong, which is quite possible because scouts are wrong very often, or Jason Demingez just, it's a trend with the rest of Yankees prospects.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can't make it to triple A or they can't make it in the big leagues.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the developmental road ends for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's Dominguez.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know, I hope not.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the question now becomes, what do you do?

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do with Cody Ballinger or Kyle Tucker come in next year?

[SPEAKER_01]: One of those guys is getting traded for pitching.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the theoretical part partial spending would go.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to spend on a positional guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to trade, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to spend on an extra positional guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then you're going to trade from that positional surplus to acquire pitching.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not against it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's not a bad plan, but Jason to Ming is a stock is low.

[SPEAKER_01]: He got benched for essentially the last six weeks of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was irrelevant.

[SPEAKER_01]: He did not play in the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was used as a pinch runner twice, I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Jones, good player, big strikeout [SPEAKER_01]: because everybody saw the year that he had with the strikeouts and with the struggling and I know he rebounded, but those big struggle, the prospect development needs to be incredibly linear for another TOR, untapped for another team to be like, yeah, we'll take him and we'll give you a good piece for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We like what we say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Jones is a very imperfect prospect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have the potential to be a great player?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean the tools are there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about again taking it to the next level and harnessing all of that, but I don't know what value is here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you package them together and that's more value.

[SPEAKER_01]: It could be.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then who you go and after you're going to go after Freddie Pralta, think the Brewers are going to take that deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, this is the frustrating part.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have two imperfect assets to sell.

[SPEAKER_01]: You traded a top 10 prospect of the deadline for Jake Bird.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now the box, we're back to the box conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The box.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jake Burr is in the bullpen on over and day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: The more, you know, again, you can be optimistic if you want to, like, if people want to hear that, okay, Grisham is back automatically.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the payroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's there already there.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're hot after Bellinger and they're the current favorites.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to hear that optimistically and you want to combine that with the Devon Williams talks that indicate that the [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say the English bring back all three, the logical part of your brain says, now they'll spend anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no stopping them, like they'll, they'll sign Tatsubi Emy.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's the, they'll sign a commoto?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's to stop them at this point?

[SPEAKER_00]: They've already committed like, [SPEAKER_00]: 50 million dollars or more, probably more this year to three players to add to their payroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: So why stop here?

[SPEAKER_00]: But House Time Render does not usually operate with logic and reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Usually does cut himself off at points when it would be logical to continue spending and get they bring in chunk Carlos Stanton and then they decrease payroll.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that was a massive issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're bringing standards should be the most go for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Move in the playbook, but instead they pull back.

[SPEAKER_00]: It takes this really weird year in 2019 to fall from back in a contention where they get 99th percentile outcomes from Mike talkman and gearshella and all these strange pieces and Mike Ford, like outliers, but miracles happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only reason the Aggies don't get much markedly worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: but yet logic and reason would dictate that they would, you know, if they're making a play for Williams and then the favorites for Belinger, that they would go crazy, but they don't usually operate on logic and reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you made me guess right now, what's more likely, like an EMI signing or they trade Jones or Dominguez or both for controllable starting pitcher and a controllable reliever, my bet would be on the second thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think we would be bummed out by the relief pitcher return here because it does smell like a classic Brian Cashman trading for years of control.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Jason Demigas went to Colorado for Seth Halverson, would anybody's jaw beyond the floor?

[SPEAKER_00]: People would try to justify it too.

[SPEAKER_00]: People would be telling you, no, no, Halverson has like an elite spin rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's yet to be a rock and you look at the numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just like I don't need to look at the numbers.

[SPEAKER_00]: The reality is that the Yankees had this other worldly prospect who was supposed to be Mickey Manel and Mike Trowold into one, and then after barely using him, and after he had Tommy John surgery and lost a year, they traded him for a rocky setup man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's all I need to know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I wish that I were fighting in the comments about Louisa's, it's tough, because we'll just never see to eye to eye on this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish Louisa's was a great fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish he had the defensive versatility in the on-base skills to make his batting average valuable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would love if we had a contact first lead off header on this team.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get in perfectly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the narrative, like I just don't see it with a rise, I wish I did.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Dominguez Intrade for, it's a narrative that dies for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you trade Dominguez for a controllable reliever, I'd just like, it would be great to have a controllable reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would be great to use one of your fungible assets and blocked assets for a controllable reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when you put the names in, [SPEAKER_00]: You put Dominguez in, there's so much stigma on Jason Dominguez, and you put, you know, whoever the elite control or reliever, I don't care who it is, you know, whether they're coming from the Rockies, whether there's some untapped potential coming from someone else, like unless it's somebody who's proven it, two years a row, like Cade Smith and Cleveland, then I, I just can't get on, and still I just cannot get on more retreating Dominguez or trading Jones for a relief [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Glad you love our channel.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, look, they're not arguing with Luis Rice could be a fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know, but then you want to talk about postseason Performance over his last three postseason series with the podries.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's nine for 52 or nine for 42.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: anything, but I just know that he hits the ball softer than basically anybody him right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last year was his worst year at a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's turning 29, 32 year old Luis Horizon.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think is a very bad player.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't guarantee you that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm forecasting, that's what I think is it's more likely in two years he's batting 260 with no power and you're like damn this doesn't make any sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then it is likely that he's hitting 330 for the [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the two biggest postseason series he had with the podries, he batted 182 in both of them and he was supposed to be a tableceter or a guy who was terrorizing.

[SPEAKER_01]: He has two postseason walks in 70 plate appearances.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I know walks are not everything that you want but to have that few and then also to not hit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, he doesn't strike out of here.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, impeachable and he needs to be off the team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then this is this is awful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the podries offense died in Chicago, and Louisa rise was a big reason why he was supposed to be somebody getting on base and putting the ball in play and and setting the table for many metroto and Fernando Tattis, and he didn't do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just again don't know [SPEAKER_01]: You picture it like this right the podries and this might be a hot take the podries probably last year and the year before had more talent in probably more so last year because Pawn Soda was on the Yankees in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was past season.

[SPEAKER_01]: The podries probably had more talent in their lineup than the Yankees did when you factor in Volpi, when you factor in Austin Wells, when you factor in [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the third base conundrum where it was DJ Lameh, who in Ryan McMahon, so like I was bald.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at where I was.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think a good player, but like not not the greatest, um, Van Rice wasn't fully like that yet Paul Goldschmidt playing there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, four out of the nine players in the lineup weren't like, [SPEAKER_01]: weren't very good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that that's a reality sometimes.

[SPEAKER_01]: The podgerace had a pretty balanced line up with a lot of talented players.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if anything, it was probably comparable to what the Yankees had.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know Aaron Judge and Flatez had a little bit because he's incredible.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if a rise is took a dip, and if a rise is played took a giant dip with [SPEAKER_01]: a similarly talented podries line up, then how are we so sure that he's going to be that good with the Yankees who have not been able to elevate anybody that they brought in with a different profile and fit them into the line up, but just hasn't worked.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like do we love DJ two, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was depressing.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was really hard for a lot of people to deal with and it got very uncomfortable at the points where we had to say this guy's got to get DFA like they can't happen anymore because it's a borderline like it's a mean thing to say we're content creators and that man is a professional athlete and that's his career.

[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks to say it, but like we're covering the team and we're watching it every night and we're just [SPEAKER_01]: it's you can't watch it anymore and you ignore some of the noise because people get frustrated after you know you go over 12 and all of a sudden you're you need to get cut and and trade it but DJ struggles went on for years and he was never he signed that contract extension was never the same wasn't even close yet one good year after that when he won the utility gold glove and that was it but [SPEAKER_01]: They, yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: They waited a year, year and a half too long.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably he didn't play a single playoff game under his extension right after 2020.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, that tells all you need to know, he broke.

[SPEAKER_00]: He broke down.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was not available when he was available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this thing guy was depressing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We love I own the jersey.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love them.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was, yeah, I mean, 2019 DJ is probably the best, most surprising, short-term acquisition.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've ever brought in in this modern in the modern era.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking post dynasty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like obviously everyone they brought in during the dynasty was better.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like the modern Yankees 2019, let me who is one of the smartest things and most interesting, you know, that people were talking about him, like, what's a contact bag going to do outside of course field?

[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer was level up and suddenly hit for massive power and pair that with a 340 average.

[SPEAKER_00]: So hey, look, maybe there's World War Louisa Rise does that too, I cannot rule it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say it's not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just fear it's more likely than not.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's more likely you get the version that looks like bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me hit you if you bring him in.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, he can make me look like a total fool.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am willing to, willing to bend on you, it is possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be great.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's just, it's about priorities, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees priority was to limit the AV hit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they gave a 31 year old.

[SPEAKER_01]: a six-year contract, a 31-year-old who was a utility defender or a six-year contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just on the surface, it's bad business.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like for that fit, I understand DJ LeMay who was literally invaluable.

[SPEAKER_01]: 8.6-war, I'm sorry, yeah, 8.6-war, 2019, 2020, and remember 2020 was a short in season.

[SPEAKER_01]: He racked up three war in 50 games, absolutely unreal, [SPEAKER_01]: the time was coming for him, especially as he entered his mid 30s and it came faster.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think maybe the argument we're having is like Jason Demengage should just be the guy doing that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there is, it seems like if they're coming with their plan right now, he's going to be iced out and some capacity and he's not going to be able to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they want to say, Jason Demengage is going to mostly de-h and Drunkholstead is going to get significant rest days and we're going to save them for the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: back to the box.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're stuck in a box that that's the whole theme of the episode is that we are stuck in a box.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's hey, maybe you can anticipate a transition saying yes to that $22 million offer on the surface.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that like all my group chats and the people who aren't like crunching the numbers every.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just die hard fans and they're not like in the weeds doing payroll stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as Trent Grishon was offered 22 million my all my group chats were like.

[SPEAKER_00]: he's going to take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I don't know, you guys, people don't really take the qualifying offer.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of fake.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is there something you gave then the player denies in and they go out and free agency.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just sort of a, you know, it's paperwork.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they were just, I mean, you got some of you got to listen to the fans, because the fans read Yankees offer Trent Grishom, $22 million for one year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they know what Trent Grishom has done over his career.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they know there's a lockout coming.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say you take a three year deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: at 16 million a season.

[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a chance you might lose a big chunk of that in 2027, like you just don't know, and you'll presumably make it back in 2028.

[SPEAKER_00]: But saying, hey, do you want 16 mill this year, 16 mill next year?

[SPEAKER_00]: But we might lose next year, or do you just want 22 million this year?

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know how you can use the ballpark to your advantage and air and judge the captain of the team wants you back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Logically, that player is probably going to say, ah, you know, extra six million sends nice this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll take it rather than trying to talk to the Cincinnati rents or figure out is there a mid-market team that wants to pay me on a three-year deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, sometimes you got to, you got to turn off the over computation part of your brain just listen to the logical reason the fans knew.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fans were like, Trent Grishom was going to take $22 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if the Yankees I you have to think because we have no money.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, I mean, yeah, we're 22 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're taking it is you're just 22 million dollars for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like a great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will take that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to think that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And because, you know, we want to operate in good faith.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to think that the Yankees saw that coming as a possibility.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to think that the Yankees have a plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't sit here and say the Yankees have no plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: They got blindsided.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when you put, you know, your emotional brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: You turn that up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: You turn down the logical part of your brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does kind of feel like the Yankees got played a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a it's a foolish amount of money given that they're still interested in Cody Belger.

[SPEAKER_00]: The continued interest in Cody Belger and their favorite status actually makes me think they got played.

[SPEAKER_00]: more than Grisham returning does on its own.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because if they, after Grisha came back, if they had made it, okay, we're no longer that interested in Cody Belinger, then I would, it would compute to me as they knew he might come back, they knew they wanted one of the two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And once they got the one, they decided to pick it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Echo one, it goes search for Brayman, it go pay him eye, go pay Alcomodo and reshift their roster otherwise.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they want both makes me feel like, oh God, okay, our Belinger was our plan A, but now we have the other guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just keep Belinger's our plan, oh shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to both.

[SPEAKER_00]: What can I say?

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to both.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you have something created to do with Jones and Dominguez, then show it to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm open.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be sad if they rip the bandaid off and trade either of those two guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to do it, then show me some creative.

[SPEAKER_01]: like I said I just I want something interesting to be done even if you bring balance your back like got to do something else.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the trades look like.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the market's going to we're going to find out a lot going to find out a lot in the next few couple weeks the the [SPEAKER_01]: trade markets going to materialize a lot more rumors are going to come out maybe some dudes who were not previously available become available and that opens opportunities for the Yankees that's again why the qualifying offer was a weird thing because it's like the Yankees don't really know what's there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Brian Cashan says it every offseason he's like oh yeah we're waiting for the market to materialize we're going to wait and see what happens and it's like [SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to jump the gun and give this guy 22 million dollars when you don't know what the rest of the market's going to look like.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they got played.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they didn't until next time they say.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll know more.

[SPEAKER_00]: We think the non-tender deadline is tomorrow night, so the Yankees are going to probably lose some relievers and probably some new names are going to come on the free-age of market that cheap teams don't want to pay 3.6 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: The free-age it pools are going to increase in size.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll get something clever and creative to talk about.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in my opinion, the offseason officially began on Tuesday late night, not with the rule five draft protections in the roster, shuffling and housekeeping.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when [SPEAKER_00]: and it was just announced at 1045 in a press release on the Orioles Square account.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was kind of a holy shit trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: One year, 36 homer Taylor Ward is a weird thing for the Orioles to give up Rodriguez unless his medicals are just absolutely cooked.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't have pitching anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like you'd want to take as many bites of the apples you could.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're saying never mind, we're good.

[SPEAKER_00]: We actually don't want to bite that apple, which is a weird call, especially when your outfield is already [SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Beaver's one of your top prospects.

[SPEAKER_00]: Colton Cow's a rookie of the year runner up 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler on the hill, you decide to a big deal, you know, and Recap Bradfield, more prospects on the way and now you've got.

[SPEAKER_00]: Taylor were good player one year of Taylor Ward.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how close to the Oreos are they going to sign Framber Valdez?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to get expensive starting pictures they believe in?

[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, otherwise this makes really no sense, but that is sort of the the size makes shockwave off season move we've been waiting for that just you blink and there it is and you're like, oh, now the off season has begun.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now anything can happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: trades on the table, surprise signings on the table.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like a qualifying offer, the math is done, the housekeeping is finished, tomorrow evening, the final bit of just like preoffices and housekeeping, but the Orioles and Agles come together on that trade tells me the offseason is here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so you could see Thanksgiving week, you could see the Aggies do something fun, winter meetings, you're going to see the Aggies do a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's three weeks from today, the winter meetings will be over.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the second Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday of three weeks from today.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the ton of roster turn and free agency maneuvers during that period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just get us out of this box, prove to me that you're not going to put the eighties in a box.

[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Seems inevitable.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems pretty inevitable, but some not the books, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Some not the wall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Give me some to react to that I've never expected.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want to have an offseason where I'm just like, all right, you can pencil, balance your in a couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Devon Williams, yeah, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's reunite with the guy who made our lives hell until mid-summer, you know, I liked them by the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, sure, just pencil and everybody from last year who we already said goodbye to.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, not that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Give me something off the wall.

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