[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast, with Adam Linerib, and Thomas Karinante.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the angst-grayard podcasts.

[SPEAKER_00]: Samantha Warner belongs at Thomas Caron today.

[SPEAKER_00]: The winter meetings are over and we are going to recap everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees did at the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Done.

[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next week.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't do anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: No moves.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the New York Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: No trades.

[SPEAKER_00]: No signings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Be fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a weird one.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really say that nothing happened at the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two of the probably the two biggest sluggers on the free agent market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sign their new deals, Cow Shwerber stays home with the Philadelphia Phillies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Petalonso goes to Baltimore Orioles who were not even on my radar at the start of the winter meetings at the start of the off season at any point.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, never did I think that Petalonso would go to the Orioles and I'm not scared and angry and I'm not quaking in my boots, thinking about the Orioles.

[SPEAKER_00]: As a challenger, I'm still I can't get past the fact that not a red sock, which is insane.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they're up to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Something sneaky, jicanery, good business bad business.

[SPEAKER_00]: More importantly, what are the meds doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even really have much Yankees to talk about, but the meds directly [SPEAKER_00]: You know, affect what the Yankees do.

[SPEAKER_00]: This obviously is because the Yankees top target and we still believe he's their top target is Cody Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so how much of the bets are paying out determines maybe how much they can pay Cody Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're very interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's John Hammond said today.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he also said the Yankees make sense as the logical and exploit I've never heard anything different in months.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, I never thought Pete Alonzo was going to the Baltimore Orioles.

[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows?

[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, the Eagles are listening on jazz chasms, but we knew that already.

[SPEAKER_00]: Listening is just listening.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're involved on several pitchers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a big Brian Cashman move in his backpack?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or are we just walking towards opening day with Ryan Yarbro?

[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe a reliever signing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, maybe it's cave windquest from the rule five draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tom's guaranteed out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's another weird one.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a lot of fun moves to react to, but we don't have a dead winter meetings though that two biggest names on the market sign.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was just enough to keep you hooked every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: because the the moves that happened that were few they were few and far between they were always in the late morning early afternoon slots here like oh man there's more stuff's coming isn't it there's going to be something that happens late tonight it's going to bleed into tomorrow this is going to be good the way that it was structured it was one big giant tease obviously if you were not [SPEAKER_01]: an auger's fan, an Orioles fan, Philly's fan, pretty much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alan, we're here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I look at the totality of the winter meetings and you could say the Yankees failed, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You could say this was, you went to the, what's supposed to be the busiest event of the off season and you did nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: but a whole lot of other teams did nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to understand who's fault that is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are these trade candidates out there actually available for trade, or are these teams just starting to gather intel for what they might be able to do with the deadline?

[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, I feel like at this point off season trade candidates are less likely because of the expanded playoff field, and because of how much higher the prices get at the deadline, we could sit here and say, yeah, hey, a full year of tarick school is much more valuable than two months of tarick school, but guess what?

[SPEAKER_01]: if your team needs terrible in July, and you feel like you're on a championship path, you're gonna pay a similar higher price.

[SPEAKER_00]: A full year of terrible is only really more valuable for these fricking teams if you are not a playoff team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you're trying to get into the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're the Dodgers, you do not need more than two months plus postseason of terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're good, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can just say, okay, great.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably the price in July.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll circle back then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't need to do it now.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I wonder the same thing about Katelmarte.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are those off-field locker room clubhouse issues overblown or are the Diamondbacks just trying to see what they might be able to get.

[SPEAKER_01]: in July when the time comes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then free agency in general, they said Kyle Schwover was going to break the dam.

[SPEAKER_01]: It broke the dam for two other players.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Breigman still there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker still there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Plenty of other Tutsu Emi still there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's a picture, but you're still talking about two of the best power hitters in the league and one of the best closers in the league getting getting big money.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you, Yankees fans, I guess, first and foremost, we were never getting Shwarver.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a consensus everybody understood.

[SPEAKER_01]: Diaz obviously could have been a target, but...

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees were not going to give a record setting a V contract to a reliever.

[SPEAKER_01]: And even if they were in the same wheelhouse as a team like the Dodgers, the Dodgers were going to win out.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as we've seen the last couple of seasons, DS supposedly had better offers.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Metz could have gone higher and he just chose the Dodgers, so that is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: As for Peter Lanzo, didn't see a bunch of Yankees fans wondering why the team wasn't in on that price.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily disagree with that sentiment, but it's just the fact that the Yankees can't keep getting older, because they don't have good enough young players.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what they're struggling with, so when I'm hearing these Metz fans complain about, oh my god, they let Peter Lanzo go, they let Edwin Diaz go, it's like, I know Pete is definitely a source subject because of his influence on the franchise.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard Metz fans adore Edwin Diaz, so the outrage there is just fake.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just trying to place the blame on the ineffective season that just happened and to live in the misery.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I get it because last season was miserable and you're hoping that your owner is going to go nuclear with the spending and he kind of has and then he's pulled back at weird times.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think is massively he's he's underrated in the sense that it's like for some reason his power and his durability is not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not viewed as it should be.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: An arrow where like powers the number one thing people pursue and the ability is impossible to nail down.

[SPEAKER_00]: He homers consistently and plays every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people are like, this guy sucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he plays, but he plays a meth first base.

[SPEAKER_00]: He struggles with this throws.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's unemployable.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh...

and to me for this deal to with him leaving the writing was on the wall the meds didn't want to pay him last year and then he fell back into their lap because there wasn't a market the meds got the meds this relationship essentially ended when alonso decline that contract extension because see coming came out last year and he said the negotiations with peat were exhausting and they were frustrating and they were not enjoyable and um...

[SPEAKER_01]: They reiterated that they believe they made a fair offer and an expensive offer at him that he turned down and then when he came back for the year with the opt-out It was clear that that was not That was another play for Pete to just get a year under his belt in an area where he was comfortable to fix his Free agent market for again whatever happened the year prior.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they were down on him the year prior [SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's been consistent as entire crew.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is exactly who he is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and for that being a foot but the Yankees like, yeah, it obviously would have been a great fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: He hits a ton of the home runs, and yeah, the defense would have taken a slide back, but the Yankees haven't exactly had tremendous first base defense over the last few years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it would have just been great.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're adding essentially 20 homers to this position and a bunch of extra base hits, and [SPEAKER_01]: someone who can protect Aaron Judge better than arguably anybody has in the last few seasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Yankees can't keep giving out longer term, high AAV contracts like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's 31 million year for Pete.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great get for him, but the Yankees honestly should be doing something that the metzer doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees are, something's not working, but the Yankees already know that Juan Soto was the one difference maker for this team that finally got them to the world series, and then they were still outmatched in the world series.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Yankees have largely kept this same group together, and they haven't deviated from all of the problems that have persisted.

[SPEAKER_01]: since really since 2022 for the most part.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I would be more on board with doing whatever the Met's retool is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Met's fans are getting a little bit panicky thinking that it's some sort of a tear down or this is a giant play for Steve Cohen to enjoy his casino.

[SPEAKER_01]: The fact of the matter is that there's still a ton of free agents out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's still a ton of trade candidates out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Met's can get better tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_01]: They decided that [SPEAKER_01]: they didn't believe they were good enough by just maintaining the status quo and re-signing Pete is the status quo, re-signing Diaz who was good for half of his time with the Metz is maintaining the status quo and Brandon Nemo is the definition of the status quo in Queens.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was Brandon Nemo, I've watched a ton of Metz baseball, one of the most like unimpressive star players I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like walks a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, has an 800 OPS, but like, kind of hollow stats, athletic center fielder, solid player, but I don't think a 20 plus million dollar player who's, you know, not really elevating the team in, in the grander scheme, like, so I don't know where you stand.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would much rather have the Yankees do with the Metzer doing to be honest with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want, like, I don't want there to be blood, but [SPEAKER_01]: Stanton trade free up the money like we've talked about this a million times nothing against drunk Carlos and it's just the team needs more flexibility it needs it needs more it needs flexibility both on the field and on the payroll because obviously they're not spending the they're not spending in that next stratosphere but [SPEAKER_01]: the other element of it is the teams don't want to make deals with the Yankees and that's something that they're just going to have to live with for the rest of the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we would all be happy with the junk Carlos stand and trade at this point and again no shade to stand and sometimes there's shade to stand in our comment section and I'm so confused by that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did, he delivered on every promise in the 2024 playoff run, like if we forgive AJ Burnett, then we got to forgive a much better player in John Carlos Dan for carrying the New York Kings 2 World Series.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now having someone calling up the DH spot, it is going to lead to a Jason Dominguez trade, like it's very helpful to have John Carlos Dan at this point in time.

[SPEAKER_00]: if you've got other power players you're trying to accommodate if you're trying to move people or pieces around the after you want to bring bell and you're back but you don't want to give away to Minga's and Spencer Jones having that roving dh bot would be very helpful so we'll see the eggs pull off anything surprising in terms of a tear down like yeah i think some meds fans are are freaking out and i think they're freaking out because they just that it's it's power that [SPEAKER_00]: The loss of Peter Lanzo and fans love Peter Lanzo and David Sern just hates Peter Lanzo Like you didn't want to bring him back last year either he tried to give him away And he couldn't find a landing spot or a market like a city that made sense or money that made sense So we ended up back with a Met's on this fake deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: He opted out in the locker room after the collapse was over Literally from that from the ballpark in Miami He was like yeah, I'm out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you though, and then the Met's didn't pursue over make him an offer So [SPEAKER_00]: Mephan's a rightly angry about that because I think that look, there's going to be bad money in the Pellonzo deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 30 million a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if year three, four, and five are going to be great.

[SPEAKER_00]: But bad money, like being able to absorb bad money, it was supposed to be Steve Cohen's whole deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let it want photos, contract, not affect him and keeping the protection on board.

[SPEAKER_00]: And saying, oh, I got it with five years, 155.

[SPEAKER_00]: I only want Pete Alonso for like two years, but whatever, like if there are three bad years here, I'll payed because I'm Steve Cohen and nothing gets in my way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when I go to bed at a sleep a restrict my own hand at a warm glass of water, it's like, pee my pants because I'm impervious to criticism.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I genuinely don't know what, [SPEAKER_00]: uh it what's deep comments good for if he's letting this process get run entirely by David certain playing risk of verse baseball payroll in like Milwaukee style front office maneuverings this office season and and I don't think Edwin Diaz is some fan favorite it to the extent that he's been portrayed as this week but you lost him over three million dollars [SPEAKER_00]: to the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe more importantly, you fired a pitching coach.

[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't want you to fire the pitching coach.

[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't give him a heads up on Dev and Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're still behaving like these are assets, not people.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's been the meds problem for there's been deeper problems.

[SPEAKER_00]: in the Met system for a long time, then just finding talent or spending money.

[SPEAKER_00]: And clearly, they have yet to figure out the personal side of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I was told Juan Soto joined them at the Met's because of their incredible dedication to family, and now the Met's family is disrespecting their income in players, losing them, and having them not circle back on contracts, just can't win, D.S.

[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't wait to get out of there, and go chase a ring in Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_00]: like that doesn't that doesn't sit well with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a Metz fan, um, and yeah, Peter Lanzo now in Oregon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now in the early snowy Yankees problem, you know, Metz fans were insisting that the Lendor Soto beef was fake news and everything was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is not fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are tearing it down to the studs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do not think Francisco Lendor is getting traded, but Lanzo because Diaz gone Nemo dealt, you know, under contract and gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they think there's a stench in that locker of incredible credit to the, you know, you've [SPEAKER_00]: credit to David Sterns for sniffing that out and saying we need more of a draft to go overhaul the most people are thinking but you got to be right and a Paul Goldschmitt Jeff McNeill poll tuned at first base is not the answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the craziest right they can't put our players and I think everyone also believing that I believe some of it the Cody Bellinger stuff just because the fit is undeniable again.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the Metz weren't willing to go, whatever, maybe another year, or maybe another $5 million for DS to convince him to stay, and if they didn't even offer pedalons of a contract, then why in the world would they be going seven years for a bellinger?

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense, like when you look at it from how they've handled free agency so far, but when you look at the general fit, so you're going to sit here and [SPEAKER_01]: Like, look at that Paul Goldsmith rumor and be like, this is insane, Jeff McNeill who they've been wanting to get rid of for years and Paul Goldsmith who was bad for like the last three months of the season, like that can't be a legitimate plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they would go a little bit above and beyond for Belinger because then that gives them [SPEAKER_01]: flexibility with center field and first base two positions that they are, you know, half in on right now or they don't have the reps to fill right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if Belunders open to playing both of those positions, then they have their solution.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could platoon it both.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can kind of have their way.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they can also get another left-handed bat who is a reverse split.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw how good Belunder was in the Bronx.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd be a good fit with the Mets.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the play for them in terms of his age though.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where, again, another part of the conversation comes up where it was like, if you thought Pete was too old.

[SPEAKER_01]: because the red sox did that was one of the red sox is reported um...

you know the reasons for apprehension there that that pedolons was to all these free agents are too old they hit free agency at twenty nine and thirty one soda the only one who's not going to be too well there are there are few free agents in history price harper one soda quarry seeger those are the only exceptions of players who you're getting in their age twenty six or twenty seven seasons and you're saying hey you know what [SPEAKER_01]: we can, who cares, like we're gonna get three extra years of his prime as opposed to the average free agent, who's gonna be in their 30s.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the age thing just doesn't make any sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless your entire roster is old, and that's where the conversation, I think comes in for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: The most of the roster is old, and then again, the young players, they have are not that good.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Met's taking Belinger, [SPEAKER_01]: Continue to remain a playoff contender.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, it could arguably make them better, depending on what you think makes the Met's better, because look at the reality.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've had pedolonso for a very long time and the success of the Met's franchise over that span was just not very good.

[SPEAKER_01]: They made the playoffs twice.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know the NLCS realm is exciting, but when you look at when you look at the Met's history over since 2017, that's an outlier season.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is not like, Oh, Peter Lanzo's greatness and his power has lifted the meds to new heights.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, it didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: It did for one year and it was that even him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was people were putting out video stand.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, Oh, Peter Lanzo's success in the postseason is very notable.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's played in three postseason series.

[SPEAKER_01]: that is not, or four postseason series.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not enough of a sample size.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and again, in the, in the newer age, like the wild card series, we've talked about it ourselves kind of doesn't really count.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just an extension of the regular season, like I'm not trying to belittle it or anything, but like the, the more expanded the playoff field gets the lesser of the beginning rounds mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: that the meds made one nlcs during pettelonsos time here it they they they they got dispatch pretty handily and i don't know why like that would in-brage my outside of the the historical um...

uh...

narrative behind it with him leading the franchise in home runs and him being a home ground player and all that like i get all that but in terms of pivoting and [SPEAKER_01]: Trying something new this was the bet like this was the the only thing they could have done in that sense because the they had these guys coming off the books and they had somebody interested in nimo so [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, at the very least, distracting from whatever the Yankees are doing, which is nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They made a rule five selection, which by the way, the first time since 2011, they did that 14 years without even thinking about the rule five draft, where there's players plucked all the time who can provide something.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees' favorite thing in the world is a reliever with options, no matter if they're good or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: As we've seen over the last few years, like Scott F.

Ross was valued.

[SPEAKER_01]: on the trade deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Bird was the most recent one.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to tell me the Yankees have been unable to find a rule five draft candidate for 14 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who's a reliever with options that be able to help them on the 40 man roster?

[SPEAKER_01]: 14 years that it did none of it make sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And said they'd rather trade assets for that same [SPEAKER_01]: That same thing that they like and it gets them essentially nowhere, so that's to me is a misallocation of resources and being taken advantage of in a completely different way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why that was their approach.

[SPEAKER_01]: and uh...

trunk restaurant and trunk restaurant might have been an accident so um...

they've been involved in a bunch of trade talks which i guess is good uh...

but at this point i don't know where we're at on like some of my belliger or are the meds going to be real i don't know the uh...

sports net was talking last night that um...

the the meds have the ability to go because the anchor's are drawing a line in the sand with belliger apparently and if the meds just go to seven years he's there's [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know what to believe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Think Belinger is maybe like, but hey, you said the same thing last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: We said we think Juan Settle likes being a Yankee and we thought that he wouldn't defect for Queens for a couple more bucks.

[SPEAKER_01]: So on it, we could be wrong this time.

[SPEAKER_01]: He could say, oh, an extra year and 15 million, that sounds great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go to Queens.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where you stand on it, but again, it's much like I went into the winter meetings this time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know what, [SPEAKER_01]: to expect really I'm not like I'm not leaning one which way or the other based on the information I'm hearing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end then it's I think this is going to lag on a little bit longer than anybody expected.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have the meds love to steal our guys so I can't rule it out and again I can't sit here and tell you there's no way Cody Belendor is going to be a man you love being a Yankee too much but the contract length is what's confusing to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's likely that the Yankees do not want to pay a six or seven year price for Cody Belendor [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the metrics and the luck factor and the roller coaster career and you know how long is this hard hit rate going to sustain and what kind of player is he like seven years.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're doing on the goes to chance six years.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess they'd consider at the right price, but I think they prefer five obviously four you will see where this ends up building to but you know are the met after [SPEAKER_00]: letting Edwin Diaz go for such a small amount of money, not talking to Peter Lanzo, trading brand in Nemo way, and moving the money around there and being willing to take out whatever Marcus said me and does like, are they going to be the team that just says, [SPEAKER_00]: f it seven years blow away the aches offer make the aches sweat he'll he'll take that like he didn't love the aches so much that the meds offered seven years he would go back to the Bronx for four but it just doesn't feel to me like they have any interest in doing that so not saying he's not going to be a med I just feel like if he is a med it's because the meds had a hefty or five year offer than the aches did or something like that I think [SPEAKER_00]: the blow him away off or might come from the angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only team mentioned in these proceedings that I feel like they could go seven years 200 mil.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they could really make Boris and Belinger be able to go back to the Yankees or go back to the meds and say, [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, he now has a crazy deal and he's going to take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't let you guys do something whether it's bluffing or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I do not think he would sign with the angels, but he loved LA love being with the Dodgers and I'm as close, you know, you never know, but the one thing I don't see happening after what we've watched the meds do is just committing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we all agree it's a weird seven year investment like we don't really want the eight years to make it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want them to lose Cody Belinger, but I don't want to overpay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hand Cody Belinger a blank check.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think David Stearns does either.

[SPEAKER_00]: After all the very careful financial packaging we've seen from him already this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you are right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We entered the winter meetings thinking about Cody Belinger.

[SPEAKER_00]: We left it not really knowing much other than officially getting confirmation that the Metz are getting a little skittish here with some of their own guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the only thing we really learned is that I feel like it's less likely than I thought it was when we entered the winter meetings at the metro just go crazy and end the belligerent conversation now, but I'm sure the metro still in I'm sure the blue jazer still in I'm sure the Dodgers still in I'm sure [SPEAKER_00]: the angels could do something crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of what the Higgies actually did at the winter meetings and the rumors they were actually connected to, Belinger, it was pretty quiet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you mentioned Kade, win quests to the rule five draft, of course.

[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, someone they scouted way back in the day, they were deciding between him and Kim Schlittler in the seventh round of the 22 draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: They took Schlittler, they thought, we didn't quest for to be available on the eighth.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the Cardinals took him, so they are really happy to get him, obviously.

[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they have a quick fix, but the issue with K to win quest is he'll have options if he survives this whole year on the active roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't, then he's going back to St.

Louis.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to have one really uncomfortable year where you just, you are committing to Cade Windquest being in your bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he's terrible, then you go, eh, we tried.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can't get optioned at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can't get optioned at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Until next year, then he just becomes a normal human being.

[SPEAKER_00]: But after you take the guy away and the rule five drafts he's got to be in the act of roster all year unless he's injured so that's your life, but again, it's usually not that tough decision because if he's [SPEAKER_00]: really well then yeah obviously you know why would he be sent down if he's performed like shit then you're gonna put him on waivers and we have the white flag and say I thought we had something here we don't if he's injured he survives but I mean literally he's the only Yankees edition of note they also who they guy they guy yesterday the Michael Bummer or whatever Brad Hanner [SPEAKER_00]: Brad Hammer, yeah, it's a hander, hander with an NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN [SPEAKER_00]: I want to replicate that, you know, 88 my own fastball max and a big break and slider that we've seen that package not really works so well to Big League level for the Yankees and certainly not in the Yankees stadium to hey.

[SPEAKER_00]: good luck to Bradley Hanner, good luck to Cade Wind Quest.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're dealing with.

[SPEAKER_00]: The more exciting stuff are the pitching trade rumors that the Eagles have been connected to, but with no indication that they're progressing, certainly no indication that they're alone, Mackenzie Gore of all the, they've been connected to Mackenzie Gore.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want Freddie Perlta there in that group of six.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been calling the brewers about Freddie Perlta.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cashman said, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, basically, I got nothing done because nobody likes the offers we're making, I don't like the offers they're giving me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the offseason is moving at a glacial pace.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like the aches, the offers are being considered underpaged by the masses.

[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like they're not up there with the aggression they need to be showing here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because McKenzie Gore is the one I thought, hey, if they're scouting him, and they're the only team really mentioned in this initial piece from the Washington Post connecting the two sides saying they've called in recent weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's the one that moves faster than we think.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's someone that gets done by the end of the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Freddie Pearl does a big cluster.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were some hunter-green, tangential connection today in the athletic, but the red zone I'm moving for anything less than a monster package.

[SPEAKER_00]: And McKenzie Gore, I mean, again, cashmen's apparently offering low balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we know the Oreos are now in on McKenzie Gore.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the Oreos have made the Piedalonso move.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Oreos need a statement.

[SPEAKER_00]: They need a statement on the pitching front.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I should get a route for them [SPEAKER_00]: because then Gore might be yours in an overpay, but Rodon, Gore, freed, and it's all lefties, so many lefties.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I guess you get him, I'm not going to complain if he is here, but it's sort of weird, weird rotation construction.

[SPEAKER_00]: After we have our ostrac construction, we're lined up construction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Too many lefties there, so many lefties they're listing in jazz, chism, and now they're going all in on another lefty starter potentially.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I like the trade rumors that they're involved in.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason I am not completely down on all of this is because [SPEAKER_01]: You had very active GMs at this meeting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry DePoto, AJ Preller, talked about them last episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could even say, Matt Arnold.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a crafty GM of the Brewers.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could probably say Mike Hazen, think that Diamondback's GM is kind of always wheeling and dealing.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could say Chris Young on the Rangers.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's [SPEAKER_01]: made a deal early and he's looking to change things up.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that none of those teams made a trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how quiet the winter meetings was from a trade front and we thought, hey, if the free agent market's going to go slow, then that means the trade market's going to heat up.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not the end of the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else really made a deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: of a blockbuster variety or even like even an eyebrow rate like there wasn't even a simian nimo type thing or any even a notch below that wasn't even close no so okay we can become it's not like other teams are lapping us or the markets already set and work kind of screwed on the other hand it's the same old story with cashmen he doesn't like what he's hearing out there [SPEAKER_01]: the other teams don't like what he's offering like the story has not changed in years that's it every single year whenever we are whenever there were media members asking the Yankees oh why why the stalling the offseason what's going on it's always that it's always all we don't like the way the market's going the market hasn't materialized the prices are high they're they're coming back to us and they they want more and they don't like what we're offering yeah [SPEAKER_01]: like that's what this is.

[SPEAKER_01]: You are no one's budging at first sight.

[SPEAKER_01]: We already know that, and I think all the GM's cashman knows that.

[SPEAKER_01]: These have been around for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, if you want something, you just simply go and get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter because it doesn't matter if the market resets, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Wansodo got traded.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wansodo had a year and a half left.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, two and a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, two and a half years left and he got traded for eight players and a majority of those guys with the exception of Luke Voitte, who I think was in that teal, former Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're supposed to be building blocks for the nationals.

[SPEAKER_01]: next wave and whether or not they see that through.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but James World looks pretty damn good.

[SPEAKER_01]: CJ Abrams is a nice big league player.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of other guys, Robert Hasseln and Yarlan Susana.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know where they're at, but it was enough to say, oh, it's a new, this is a new farm system, like we are ready to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then a year and a half later, Juan Soto gets traded for spare parts.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, again, no offense to Michael King, but you got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got two years out of Michael King, the headliner of it was two years of Michael King.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got Kyle Lagoshoca, who was gone in a year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got two pitchers in...

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my blanket on Johnny Bredo, yeah, and Randy Vasquez and Randy Vasquez who are essentially AAA fodder and then you got one top prospect out of it who then ended up getting traded to the White Sox and the Dillon C steel.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me that extra year and a half of Soto was the difference between getting like six building blocks for your farm system versus zero.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the market, like we can always say, oh, man, these GMs don't want to make these deals because they don't want to reset the market and like they're all in agreement.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want all the prices to be high, but in reality, the market never gets, it all depends on what the other team likes and sees in another team's farm system.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the raise are always going around and striking deals with teams and you're like the raise just traded for this team's number 17 prospect and they gave up [SPEAKER_01]: majorly talent the guy's pretty good like why and then you find out why in a year and a half because they knew something somebody else didn't so that's the other that's where I'm at with the rest of this reluctance to [SPEAKER_01]: trade early and maybe overstep your boundary in terms of what you're comfortable giving up because it doesn't matter if you get the player you want in return for whatever you're looking for then whatever you're giving up doesn't matter it doesn't matter in terms of oh man I feel like I gave up too much no you got the guy you wanted it doesn't matter oh man we just [SPEAKER_01]: we just made the market real high for starting pitchers.

[SPEAKER_01]: No you didn't because other GMs who are looking at starting pitchers are not going to give in to that asking price when they're approached for whatever it is, the starting pitchers, star, short stop or whatever, and the market will just settle once again.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where again, the Yankees process continues to lose me because you're in and you're out, it's will wait, will wait, will wait, and then you wait, and then you don't get the guy you want, and then you find yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: going after.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't eat like the last few years.

[SPEAKER_01]: The the way that the Yankees have kind of fleshed out their roster without getting true like acquisitions at the margins has been their undoing and that's because they wait and then they say, oh, well, this is what we're left with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we'll go with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're not in that situation yet because like I said, there's still a lot of players available.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else really made trades yet [SPEAKER_01]: can't you see that this is a little bit of a preview of what's going to happen in maybe a month or three weeks?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't really know why anybody was heartened by the cash from quotes that were like, we don't like the offers we're getting and we don't like the offers we're given.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, that's, you know, I guess it shows that he's [SPEAKER_00]: active and having conversations, but that's the lowest baseline for the job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, of course he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He'd better be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how the ink he's obviously isn't going to turn out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where they go.

[SPEAKER_00]: If not, I don't know what the alternative is.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they get that starter.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he has to.

[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, if all of these pursuits are coming up and getting you to a place where you don't like the package and you don't like what's being asked of you, you might need to pay one income for real price.

[SPEAKER_00]: because Brian Cashman and Aaron Boone have been it pretty clear, surprisingly clear that they intend to trade for a starting pitcher.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like they want to add a starter, but they do not want to make a Jack Curry saying it, everyone in the microphone is saying it, they don't want to make a $200 plus million dollar commitment given what's already being committed to in the rotation.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like maybe they'll make another one when Carlos runs money comes off the books, if they trade for Mackenzie [SPEAKER_00]: It does not sound like they have any interest in paying the tuts who you in my price or paying I mean they weren't in on Dylan season they shouldn't have been and there aren't that many arms at the top of that market Another like convenient excuse to there was I don't remember who I think was Joel Sherman basically being like They're not gonna pay that money one year ahead of tarick scuba hitting free agency you'll all fill a him for doing that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like [SPEAKER_00]: Well, guess what, there's going to be a lockout.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Terri Scoob will also might get traded, at which point I would assume he would sign an extension with the Los Angeles Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not ready to like pre plan for Terri Scoob's for agency and use that as an excuse for why the things aren't spending this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to do that, but.

[SPEAKER_00]: They are not spending on a starting pitcher this year and they keep saying they want one and I get why they want one They have a great rotation.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's their strength, but it's also already busted.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like half broken down with injuries So you could trade for high upside arm doesn't have to be an ace to be number two The Redstock said they want to get a number two.

[SPEAKER_00]: They got some gray and Yohanovito, and that's all they did and they didn't really get the number two I thought they would they could do it in July [SPEAKER_00]: They might do it anyway, but right now they don't really have that guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few of them on the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Ryan is not on the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Saniela Contra, I do not know if he is on the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Edward Cabrera, I don't think he's on number two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mackenzie Gore, Frey Praltha.

[SPEAKER_00]: is your guys on a green or green like so if you want me to give a thumbs up hearty seal of approval to the offseason it's got to be one of those three guys I think or you've got to be more creative than me you got to come up with one that I haven't figured out yet because otherwise I don't see it I don't see the path towards you getting that difference maker and that you're screaming about that you want you're saying it all interviews that you want to starting picture in trade you don't want to pay one here are the guys you're going to have to [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe to grow them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's money, but it's money for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: How much is left on there?

[SPEAKER_01]: 100 and 90 and I contract is very stupid.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like two years a hundred seventy five million dollars Let's see it goes through twenty twenty seven.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a twenty-three mutual option.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's things always fail so 585.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a math major three.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's seventy four million dollars [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's one by I mean, look if tarry scoobles available for trade to the Yankees believe that they can the short term plan like we talked about could the Yankees just go all in for twenty twenty six and figure it out is that school bowl is that Tucker on the early opt out deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: if they go after someone like Freddy Pralten hunter green that doesn't necessarily blow me away, but it does keep in their rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we just saw it happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Devin Williams, [SPEAKER_01]: coming from Milwaukee to New York was a complete culture shock for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be no different for anybody else coming from at large, the annual central, especially teams like the Reds and the Brewers, you've read in John Hayman's column that Brewers, front office members were relieved when they were able to trade for Williams get what they wanted because they knew he wouldn't be a fit in New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you tuck hunter green or Freddie Pralta in the back end of the rotation, it's going to lengthen things.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to help you out a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to transform your roster?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Remains to be seen because it's again, you're placing somebody to completely different environment.

[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of who you pay for starters, I don't again, like we haven't been really high on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want more of a shorter term option.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the Yankees again can kind of figure out a way to blow things up in a year or two, not blow things up as if, oh, we're not competing anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blow things up as in what the methods are doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let this big name walk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if we can get rid of the last year and a half of this guy's contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: High salary for high salary swap where both teams are kind of frustrated with the progress of the big name player so we can do The Yankees don't have that creativity and that's where someone like David Serenice comes in like Metz fans are mad at David.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going back to the Metz, but [SPEAKER_01]: Her mad at David Sterns, or so mad, he's a scapegoat, like can't believe he's doing all this.

[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, don't you think Steve Cohen is in on this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Cohen is the richest owner in the sport.

[SPEAKER_01]: If he was hell bent on keeping Pete Alonzo, who he believed was a franchise icon and he didn't want.

[SPEAKER_01]: to leave whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think David Sterns was overruling Steve Cohen in any capacity?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he did, that would never happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Cohen would say, you all from the 175 million or your fired.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that, that's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or Steve Cohen just goes, hey, P175, take it, that's it, he'll get involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: but David Serns is a creative GM and he's younger and he's worked on a small market team so he has that it's the whole Andrew Friedman thing which is still sometimes kind of gets lost in the shuffle because of how successful the Dodgers are like the Dodgers did this.

[SPEAKER_01]: 12 years ago now they hired framed in after the 2013 season because he was doing so well with the raise and they said holy shit what this guy has been able to accomplish with no budget is unbelievable let's bring him here and not only keep him doing what he's been doing but then give him a budget that is five times the amount that he's ever had.

[SPEAKER_01]: and the Yankees are still stuck kind of a neutral where they believe Brian Cashman is morphing into one of these more modern day GMs and he's just not.

[SPEAKER_01]: The creativity is not there.

[SPEAKER_01]: The creativity for the Yankees, once again, is a Josh Donaldson trade or an Anthony Rizzo trade and for some reason we got captivated by those at certain times.

[SPEAKER_01]: the list goes on like we can mention a ton from over the past few years and at different points in time we say oh man that actually is like I never even thought of that [SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't you think of it because it fucking sucks because it's a bad shitty move.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you didn't think of it, but I didn't think of it because it was overly creative.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was it was something that a bunch of people in a room had been cooking up for months.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because acquiring Josh Donaldson for two years and 55 million was stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: acquiring Joey Gallo for four prospects was stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: acquiring Anthony Rizzo I think was fine and then it ended up going sour but yeah banking on sunny gray who had two good years and then failed with the A's then thinking he was going to return to ace form in New York again a culture shock for somebody who's from uh...

where's he from Missouri or Nebraska summer some of the sea was a man who's yeah from Tennessee played in Oakland in the coming New York like these moves are just bad that the intent behind them is [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously there's it's rooted in some logic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, these are star players who were once really good and like if we surround them with more talent they could be better Yeah, like yes great.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's part one part two is How does this person fit how does this player fit the puzzle and how realistic is it that they take that step that they need?

[SPEAKER_01]: So for you look you look at some of them like Sonny Gray he was early on into his career where you didn't really have enough [SPEAKER_01]: knowledge there to say oh like yeah this is definite he'll like he'll be able to he'll be able to seamlessly transition for someone like Gallo that was advised against in multiple reports that came out after the trade they said this guy is not going to be a fit in New York and [SPEAKER_01]: They said, I don't care, but you have to say, the numbers are there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's he's going to hit home runs and he's going to walk.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is great for us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Donaldson called out the Yankees publicly the year before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got into a public spat with Garrett Cole in the media.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he said, oh, yeah, let's bring another clubhouse up under here.

[SPEAKER_01]: See if that works out.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the difference.

[SPEAKER_01]: The difference is that the Yankees don't put all the pieces together when making these personnel decisions.

[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that could be the reality.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think there's a Yankees tax.

[SPEAKER_01]: It can't be used as an excuse.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to overpay for guys you want in hindsight should have given up Spencer Jones for Corbin Burns if that was the offer.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you believed in that team winning the world series and you didn't and now you're probably wondering, damn, why didn't I do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't I give Juan Soto a generational player who only had for one year the best opportunity possible to win a world series?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't I do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: because I believe in my lesser processes that have not had a large hit percentage over the last 10 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Blame David Stearns all you want, Steve Cohen is orchestrating a part of this, and he believes David Stearns is creative enough to make ends meet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think so too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think obviously he got too cute with a couple moves.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Montass move was really stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: for one, but for the most part, he knows how to evaluate players.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Devon Williams thing might be a little bit better because obviously that was his previous GM in Milwaukee.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now he has another year in New York under his belt.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll lessen the burden a little bit in terms of the change of scenery, the abrupt change of scenery.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if I'm starting my team tomorrow, I'm going with David Sterns over Brian Cashman.

[SPEAKER_01]: so like metz fans are it I get it like there's a lot there's a lot that's happened you lost three what you would call franchise stars like over the last that then there for five six seven years or whatever it is but change you to be way because over those five six seven years you really didn't do anything [SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason the Yankees don't have that philosophy of where I like, oh, let's make a big roster push here is because they consistently make the playoffs and they use that as, oh, the process is working.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, the process is subpar.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have enough talent to get by.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you have enough money to overspend this next crop of guys who you're competing for for the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you get there and there's a more talented team a more sure GM or a team that spends our money more wisely, then you get boat-raced.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the David Stern's haters or complainers need to just dial it back a little bit because it could be worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: David Stern's congratulations you are officially being put in charge of the jazz just and trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get it done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the English betraying jazz.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't, but they clearly are dedicated to getting less lefty-heavy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so if they're listening, we, this was sort of, again, this gets blown up, it gets memified, it gets tweeted, and people just put it in their graphics, the Yankees are listening on jazz chasm, um, and there was a funny tweet, I saw that people were basically, like, when the Rangers are listening on Cory Seeger, every Yankee fan is photoshopping and Seeger jerseys, you know, Yankees jerseys, and [SPEAKER_00]: and saying Brian Cashman and sending him death threats if he doesn't get this done.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when the games are listening on jazz, every Yankee fan is like, well, it's just listening.

[SPEAKER_00]: Every team does that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it is true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess both are true.

[SPEAKER_00]: You hear Cory Seager connected to your team.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want him.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it is just listening in that case.

[SPEAKER_00]: You see jazz chism, if they're listening on him, all that means is, hey, if they're blown away, why wouldn't they trade jazz chism, entering his final year?

[SPEAKER_00]: But we got to be blown away.

[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot make your roster worse.

[SPEAKER_00]: you cannot do bad business.

[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot just in the name of, you know, probably downgrading second base, or getting less lefty-heavy, you can't just trade him for some controllable reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't, you can't treat him like Harry Ford traded for Jose Farray or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to get proper value.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's something that comes across the 80s desk, then make some say, ooh, I actually cannot resist this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to trade jazzed, but I also don't want to extend him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now that I see this, I like this.

[SPEAKER_00]: then they should do it, but also do not be shopping jazz chism, do not be stupid, do not downgrade your potential contender.

[SPEAKER_00]: You still have, there's a chance you could build a contender and I don't think you are one right now, but do not take yourself out of the proceedings by trading jazz chism for future value.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't keep kicking the can down the curb.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't don't trade it for somebody's third best prospect and seventh best prospect.

[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a big leager.

[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a righty [SPEAKER_00]: Replace him with you want to trade here's the thing you want to trade just jizm and replacing with boba shit on a seven year deal I guess you want to trade jazz chism and replace him with TJ run field and trade jazz chism for the white socks, you know, Edgar Quero and you know something, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: number eight prospect picture.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do not want to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't think this is formal, formally buzz.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you got to keep your eyes peeled, but I guess they're listening and I guess they could be blown away.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there are several ways that could go about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: And most of them are very good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are worth your time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here's another thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think teams are asking?

[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, Cashman talked about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he put it [SPEAKER_01]: eloquently he said, Jazz is someone who helps us now.

[SPEAKER_01]: We acquired him for a reason because he's really good at all facets of the game and he elevates our roster in a multitude of ways and there is There's little reason for us to consider moving him because he makes us in the here and now better and that's the whole reason we acquired him and also acknowledged that yeah people call and they ask and [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not hanging up the phone.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you have to say?

[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the elevator pitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great, it sucks, see ya.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's something though.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's up?

[SPEAKER_01]: But here's my thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why are teams calling and asking the Yankees about jazz chism?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they don't think the Yankees are that good, and they think the Yankees could probably afford to get rid of some of their shorter term pieces that have value.

[SPEAKER_01]: because the Yankees can't get rid of any of their longer term pieces because they don't have value because they have too much money attached to them or they have to uh...

uh...

drastic of regressing play attach to them so other teams are saying oh i just looked at what the Yankees did for the three four of the past five years they got bounced in the one game wild card to the red socks in twenty twenty one [SPEAKER_01]: They got taken to the brink by the Guardians in the 2022 DS and then got destroyed and swept by the Astros in 2022 CS.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: They missed the playoffs in 2023.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they got destroyed by the eventual AL Champion Blue Jays in 2025.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's four of the past five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: The other one was the Yankees going to the World Series in 2024 with Juan Soto in their lineup.

[SPEAKER_01]: all these other GMs are probably saying that's a bad stretch of play and if you want to take it back to 2020 they lost in the DS to the raise.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really five out of the last six years just not good showing from the Yankees for a team again.

[SPEAKER_01]: has the luxury of more resources and they do not pan out in a manner that you would expect.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it doesn't have to be every, it just has to be every once in a while, and last 16 years have been especially brutal for what they've been, the advantages that they've had over the rest of the league.

[SPEAKER_01]: So other GMs are probably looking at their roster and saying, you think they'd be willing to trade this guy who's about to become a free agent because I mean, do they really need him?

[SPEAKER_01]: If we're hearing the same thing that the fans are hearing, [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, don't you think GMs know more about what the Yankees are doing than we do?

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even think GMs who are talking to agents and other GMs know who the Yankees are involved in potentially and who the Yankees have checked in on and who the Yankees are calling about and who the Yankees might be interested in.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, if all those GMs know, the Yankees aren't really like looking at free agents this off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard the Yankees involved in much trade talks at the Winter Meetings.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can't possibly be running it back with this group and they're going to be good in 2026.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean they're willing to sell some stuff off and they haven't just reckon with that reality yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, that's what I get out of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because how many off seasons you hear?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the teams checked in on the Yankees really good player.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see it like that's what happens to the reds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what happens to fringe playoff teams or non-contenders.

[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't happen to, there aren't teams calling the Dodgers and asking for one of their best players.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wonder if the Dodgers are willing to, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you think they want to get off that Freddy Freeman contract for the the next year or two, maybe they're into that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be something the Dodgers would really be interested in moving off one of their best players when they're in the midst of a really good window, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a bad sign that the fact that the Yankees are even receiving calls on this because you also look at the other side of the coin and they don't have anybody to replace them in the infield.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then teams are probably like, hey, maybe we give them a top second base prospect and just maybe they sign a veteran save some money and then we see if we could bring the they can bring that prospect up by the middle of the season or end of end to next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: cashmen, I think, put it to bed in my opinion, but I think it's from a league wide perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not a good look for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Yankees, fans, what are you going to get there?

[SPEAKER_00]: But love it sell off this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys have been taking the headline sale.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe people are trying to get their claws and unjust.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm early.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look, we wish.

[SPEAKER_00]: that the post winner meeting show was about more Yankees moves in legit Yankees rumors and smoke than it was about what David Stearns is up to and whether the mats have any interest in paying anybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: The mats have affected the Yankees off season more than the Yankees have at this point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess but we still have not we have not gotten to find new targets.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get what we paid for.

[SPEAKER_00]: at the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like you want to winter meetings and we've gotten them the last couple years where you've got one strong Yankees rumor at the very least that you are refreshing your Twitter account and you are trying to sniff out trying to say, hey can I trust this account?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who this is but they're saying that the done deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right now this inside is throwing cold water on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do I need to stay up till 2 a.m.

or is something going to get done tonight?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is something ever going to get done?

[SPEAKER_00]: We got that with Max Freed and Chris Walker last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had some fun ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had fortunate to follow one so to as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: The soda traded the year before this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: We did not get anything that gained momentum in any capacity.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got some connections.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got some tissue, got some jazz, chism buzz, but we mostly got to watch other teams do their business.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, weird one where, hey, nobody went off the board that I would say was a Yankees target.

[SPEAKER_00]: We could make the case for Piedalonzo, but they weren't looking at Piedalonzo.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't lose out on Johan Oviedo.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't lose out on Sunny Gray.

[SPEAKER_00]: College of Warburg is not going to be a Yankee.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a student business happened, enough business to keep your attention.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the A's and losing any targets, the Yankees targets didn't lose any landing spots.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't really get any clarity on anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: So starting to everybody who was excited to stay up and follow that business, try to sniff out your own rumors and moves and news and notes, and all we really had to react to was what other teams did, and try to decide whether these really tenuous Yankee connections were valuable or fools gold.

[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't really get what we wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week though.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we will.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the best part about the offseason, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like everybody took care of their business at the winter meetings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Precious little was done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some groundwork was late.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was supposed to be the GM meetings, but apparently it's not anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be more, there's gonna be more done over the next couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are the eggs gonna be a part of it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just gonna be Tim Hill's option and Ryan Yarborough?

[SPEAKER_00]: Very silly, if it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And these dumps you're diving in relievers, and other one, Drake Fellows.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just got from the Pirates Minor League system, a minor league deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Drake Fellow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we'll figure out who that is next time I think and have that on my big go card for And I go on closes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but hey, that's that homework assignment for us.

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