[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Yanks Go Yard Podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Adam Linerib and Thomas Heronante.

[SPEAKER_01]: When the Yanks Yard Podcasts, if I'm vulnerable, I'm excited Thomas Caronante, a $2.5 million dollar's of house sign breter's money was spent today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Reportedly, those report per fan side is Robert Murray.

[SPEAKER_01]: The facts and figures per ESPN's vuster only.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees of Sign, Ryan Yarbero.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's coming back.

[SPEAKER_01]: on a $2.5 million one year deal to shore up the bullpen swing man roll fifth starter he will definitely get some starts at the beginning of the year and less you can see some high impact stuff we'll talk about it i don't want to dedicate a whole podcast to Ryan y'arbrook but shut it in why he's back we could maybe we will you guys know stick around and you'll see whether or not this is a whole show [SPEAKER_01]: uh...

the real stuff should move this weekly deadline for qualifying offer acceptance or denial is tomorrow two state of number seventeen rule five protection also tomorrow nontender deadline friday and josh naler sign by the Seattle mariners last night five year deal we don't know the facts and figures yet we got the ryan yarborough financials before we got the josh naler so that'll timestamp this podcast but that's a major move takes a theoretical target off the aches board if they want to get creative with better ice make a trade [SPEAKER_01]: Get signed in one of the A.L.s other contenders as you add on Mariners.

[SPEAKER_01]: Get say they got better, but they maintain what they had done last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't just a one year half year post trade deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dalliance with being talented offensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going with another key galvanizers moving forward for five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a win the Mariners get over the eggs this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: The eggs got another win over the Mariners last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge no longer up for debate is your MVP.

[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, how else might the eight you spend there money?

[SPEAKER_01]: Tutsu, am I a possibility?

[SPEAKER_01]: Devin Williams, probably not a Yankee, but hey, somebody plus all that and more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for joining me in this show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thomas here and I'll tell you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk maneuvers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk maneuvers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am loving the Ryan Yarbro deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was one.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a Kent, you know what it is to me?

[SPEAKER_00]: This is similar to the Tim Hill deal that the Yankee's made last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: this guy was good.

[SPEAKER_00]: This guy will be inexpensive.

[SPEAKER_00]: This guy should get signed relatively quickly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we waiting?

[SPEAKER_00]: I know they waited a lot longer with Tim Hill last off season so don't understand why that happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Ryan Yarbro when he was healthy, I know what he missed about three months, three and a half months with the lat or the the oblique injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is [SPEAKER_00]: A key part of this Yankees rotation, they need that length, they need that flexibility between the rotation and the bullpen, they need an experience veteran to come in and be able to handle a jarring role change if you will.

[SPEAKER_00]: So throwing somebody like Will Warren into that role makes no sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: The young man has little MLB experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is that the person we will subject to coming out of the bullpen and the playoffs to face [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just sit here and try to make sense of the things that I see, but Ryan Yobro has been around for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in this role for a while, kind of ping-ponging between the two roles among the pitching staff and again, a different look, soft tossing lefty kind of just [SPEAKER_00]: delivers a different element to the batters to the opposition.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a lot of value here that will go overlooked naturally because he's not a household name and he's not somebody who will be making 20 starts and he's not somebody who will be closing games, but he will be somebody who will be erasing innings, helping the pitching staff get to the finish line, keeping the bullpen well rested, assuming they [SPEAKER_00]: are able to patch up the bullpen in any competent matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I love Ryan Yarbrough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, a human being when you listen to him do interviews and answer questions in the post game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Real answers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Real context.

[SPEAKER_00]: Real words.

[SPEAKER_00]: So happy to have Ryan Yarbrough back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now comes structuring the rest of the bullpen in the pitching staff, but we'll be waiting a few weeks for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what is your bro like bullpen piece swing man to fast start question what is your what is your bro in general you say he speaks like a man in his post game I mean is he man He is likely to be a key piece again outside of some weird outliers last year he was essential to this team [SPEAKER_01]: In May and June, he got the ball Sunday night baseball at Dodger Stadium with the Iggy's having lost the first two games of that series.

[SPEAKER_01]: One in heartbreaking fashion, one will order and just get whipped on in a big spotlight game, which happened a lot last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: Will Warren was great except for the games that were really important where he was terrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Yarbro and six innings four hits one run in that game.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got the win at Dodger Stadium, salvaged that series.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was bad against the Red Sox.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Red Sox was a built-to-destroy [SPEAKER_01]: especially at Fenway Park.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen what they've done similar pictures over the years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all bro is not going to get the ball on a playoff game as a starter.

[SPEAKER_01]: He is not going to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to get a month on the Yankees calendar.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe not.

[SPEAKER_01]: See, we can dance.

[SPEAKER_01]: We dance with the devil in the time comes, but I will say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he does because of an emergency, I'm comfortable with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely trust him more than other people, and he's would have wedged his situation over the years.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the game in his numbers are inflated that Minnesota game at the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's gonna get lost to history.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the weirdest yanky games of the season where they're up 10 one, everyone's like, well, I guess the nervous guy in me thinks they might blow this, but you know they won't, it's 10 nine and five seconds, because you are brooding to give a, you are road and get an out and give up like four, five runs and anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that wasn't y'all bro.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was very steady for the most part an effective piece and someone you can pencil in like you said to any role.

[SPEAKER_01]: So is he going to be in this rotation long term.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he filled in nicely for about a month and a half last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would sign up for that again.

[SPEAKER_01]: He they went to Sacramento.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was great.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, basically he was on an unbroken streak of being great.

[SPEAKER_01]: before he faced the Red Sox and then he rebounded from that start and again put that game at Dodger Stadium and then hurt himself.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was hard not to feel like he'd done his duty at that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you were like, okay, you know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not mad that you're injured.

[SPEAKER_01]: Take your time, heal up.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've already given me more than I could have ever expected.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're your better fit than Carlos Carrasco.

[SPEAKER_01]: The things you're going to need some of those guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's fair to look at this and get angry and say, well, I guess they're not going to spend.

[SPEAKER_01]: then because they already did their Ryan Yardrow thing, that's their rotation addition.

[SPEAKER_01]: He helps no matter what they do for the rest of the off season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you read the way of Brian Cashman spoke about getting into the Japanese market and playing for Tatsuya Amai, I do think it's fair to read that the Yankees are a real possibility for Amai.

[SPEAKER_01]: projected by Tim Britain, notably for eight years on 190 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could have Brendan Cutty wrote a great column bringing it down today and bringing it down to the potential fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: No offense meant to Brendan Cutty.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could have figured out without any plugged in connections, what the biggest impediment to the Aggie sign in my, it might be, and it's that cost.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a real question.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to take the devil's advocate or if you want to go for it, [SPEAKER_01]: He's technically unproven as yet to pitch and majorly baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: People do not think of it just because he's not thought of as Yamamoto does not mean he's some big hidden secret.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's still the guy projected to get nearly $200 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it would take a seven or eight year commitment.

[SPEAKER_01]: The cost is what's prohibitive.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees have a full rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: A full rotation of people who we might not believe it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I'm just saying the devil's advocate.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have wrote on free, Warren Heal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett Cole is coming back, Camichlor, Ryan Yarbero.

[SPEAKER_01]: Seven theoretical arms, a Clark Schmidt, eight people who could get the ball this year in the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: How many of those people do you want to freeze out by spending almost $200 million on a project in E.M.I.

[SPEAKER_01]: because he doesn't have any big league reps.

That's what somebody in the front office who does not want to commit real money to be starting a picture might say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond the next three seasons, there is not much certainty in the exhortation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's true for most teams.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of teams don't have bona fide starting pitching town locked down for three plus years.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Gary Cole wrote on, there will be a hole and it's just freed, Schlittler, Warren, heel, and whoever else emerges from the farm system.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, probably some future freeage of moves.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you trust that or would you like to lock in a second potential mid rotation play off rotation stand out any my for twenty twenty nine thirty thirty one.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to have a second guy there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to believe Kim Schlittler the third guy, but I'd love to put another long-term addition in the mix.

[SPEAKER_01]: If it's my money.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's among my top off season priorities and the Brian Cash on quotes about how, you know, we haven't played in that market in a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's were past due for rejoining the Japanese market.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know they scouted a commoto this weekend at a Japan Korea exhibition, one of 16 report to scattered him along with a weird group, Philly Chicago, San Diego, the Angel and Toronto.

[SPEAKER_01]: on crew, if I'm power-ranking, which Japanese reagents, they're interested in when they're making those hints, I would say E-min number one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And every Yankees source out of the Far East is indicating, yeah, they are intrigued by his talent and they're going to be major players here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'll come out out too, he's sort of a...

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Swiss Army knife and them, Merakami, I don't see it at all, I would say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not if something came out that said they're not even paying attention, I wouldn't be surprised.

[SPEAKER_01]: Scott Boris's e-mise guy could really help us, but of course, not going to help us keep the price down.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can see the Devil's Agvict kit for both sides.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Ryan Yarbro changes his pursuit at all though, and I would expect the Aggies to be heavily involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like, [SPEAKER_00]: If they were really going hard after Yamamoto, two off seasons ago, like we were to believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, they, they apparently were that they had a $300 million offer on the table.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a serious offer in my book.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you kind of can't go by with where the Dodgers ended up because the Dodgers are going to kind of end up in the next stratosphere that isn't really.

[SPEAKER_00]: a reality realm.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's make believe land.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Yankees don't have that power anymore, especially in this day and age when you're talking hundreds of millions.

[SPEAKER_00]: But look, if they want to get back into the market, I'm not against either of these potential signings with [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot more traction like two years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like not really the fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's too much swing and miss.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was, there's not enough defense there for what this team needs.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in terms of the price, like the price just can't, the price doesn't get to many more.

[SPEAKER_00]: The price doesn't bother me.

[SPEAKER_00]: The price is the price.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to pay it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just comes down to whether the Yankees are going to be able to structure their books to the point where [SPEAKER_00]: 190 million dollar investment in EMI is yeah, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll we'll be able to recalibrate next off season if we need to got for a bit something happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um really like the problem after 2023 was after they had invested all that money in Carlos Rodon it was like well no now we just have to hope for him to get back on track in 2024 and part of that reality I think is logic.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like yeah, 2023 from Carlos Rodon [SPEAKER_00]: It was an outlier season.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's never been this bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: He will not be this bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: We need to bank on him just being 25% that incompetent and will be fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, and the fact that they didn't make big pitching overchairs that offseason said that, then the next offseason they go out and they sign max freed.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't really know how much [SPEAKER_00]: the Yankees front office and house time burner like how much you can stomach right you have coal who's here for three more years you have freed who's here for seven more years you have heard on who's here for three more years and then if you sign emy who's going into what his age 28 27 right now yeah it's going to cause age 28 season that would give you his age 31 to 34 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, are they projecting him to pitch better into his 30s or just remain on pace in his 30s for what he's what he's been able to produce the last few years.

[SPEAKER_00]: If that's the case, then great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't deal because the money's going to come off the books and you're going to be able to absorb it in three years and not really have any issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, [SPEAKER_00]: D.

jail may use money is done after next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: John Crowe Stanton's money is done after 2027.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's something else in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of stuff in there.

[SPEAKER_00]: They got a lot of money floating around.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're just waiting for all of it to get closer to the finish line.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Aaron Hicks's money is done now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Rizzo's money just ended.

[SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's just the long-term picture of what they're able to look at is EMyA, like are they just getting in the Japanese market to get in the Japanese market because they've lost out on the last few leaked talents to come out of there.

[SPEAKER_00]: If that's your plan, then okay, that would be a cubs move to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the cubs have done to say, oh, [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get in the Japanese market.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to create this other revenue stream.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to profit off of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're just we're not going to really invest that much into the team after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of the Yankees needs, EMI, if you give him a soft landing in MLB in the back end of the rotation behind all these guys next year, I think that could be a smart investment in coming to his own first couple years in MLB, then maybe develop into that.

[SPEAKER_00]: potential number two that you're envisioning in the back of your mind and then accommodo I think is a good profile for what this team needs on both sides of the ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: At the plate and defensively.

[SPEAKER_00]: Price is the price man.

[SPEAKER_00]: If the Yankees are not going to go above that $304 million or $304, I think this year is the co-in-tax threshold.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then [SPEAKER_00]: they're going to have to really find some good patchwork options for the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're going to have to really, then I think maybe you're looking at a couple extra years on Belunders contract to lower the AV like shit like that that we don't really like to talk about because we've seen it by us in the ass now how many times.

[SPEAKER_00]: So.

[SPEAKER_00]: sign good players if your scouts are confident that they're good that's you know it's fine in my book i know we railed on the ain't he scouting department last episode because brine cashland's always talking about how it's the biggest in the game and it's the most influential department they have in the our organization and then we are asking very rudimentary questions every offseason it feels and at the trade deadline it feels so [SPEAKER_00]: We have what we have and we're going to do our best with it, but hey, if they if they like these guys, there is no reason you should be letting anybody else cut you in line that that's that's where I stand that's where I stood with Yamamoto, even though I was a little bit hesitant about the bidding getting as high as it did.

[SPEAKER_00]: At at the end of the day, if they really liked him and they felt going in extra 40 million was going to make the difference, they should have done that and if this is the case with me, if they know maybe pushing to 200 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: is going to get the deal done and shoe everybody else away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then go for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: When our, as much as we do rail on the team for spending money year responsibly, we do not rail on the team for spending money when they're actually and like forcefully trying to upgrade like the crawls wrote on thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were very happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They went out and they spend the money.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were sitting back and saying how could this happen year one, um, [SPEAKER_00]: and also if this expenditure potentially flopping is gonna affect future spending, can't have that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if they can figure out a way to make all these things once again palatable, then I'll be fine with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So get the good talent, put them on the team, see what happens.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also got a little warped by seeing all these breakdowns of like what the rotation would look like in 2029 if you slot Emi in there and how they need a bit of that insurance.

[SPEAKER_01]: They do want to keep things flexible.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, like take over the grain of salt, you don't have to lock down rotation spots four years from now right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: there might be pictures they prefer on the freeage of market next year and the year after that and the year after that like you don't you have enough young talent that you do not need to prioritize filling a rotation spot with an expensive pitcher four years down the line necessarily and you know the devil's havoc position of the rotation is over stuff how much do you really want to pay for someone who may eventually squeeze a talent that are like will warn or Louise he'll out [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's far as devil's advocate positions goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty valuable one because they really do have cheat talent in the rotation you could fill it out for a number of years.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not everybody clicks, but maybe Rodriguez Cruz and LaGrange do and then you have even more talent to work out.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if they believe in email like you said, I'm in.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in, but if there's any hesitance and if they want to go 16170 someone else wants to go to 120 like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that not going to be theirs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the maids are no leg ranges pronounced legeron.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: Recently found that out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that, and I'm not going to do it yet, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_01]: first base again, a five year deal to the Mariners.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know the financials.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you might by the time you hear this, but we don't currently, uh, never going to be the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out properly, especially given what Ben Rice gives you with the cost of the Ben Rice gives it to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: John Flaherty talked to him last week, confirmed Ben Rice is the first baseman who can forward the Yankees have said Ben Rice is a regular first baseman moving forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: 145 games there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of games, the position.

[SPEAKER_01]: could play catcher out of necessity, but probably not going to play catcher out of anything more than necessity.

[SPEAKER_01]: So unless they dealt Ben Rice is the centerpiece for someone that they again, I don't even know what kind of person is out there, Stephen Quann, Ben Rice is your Stephen Quann centerpiece.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: My early talent plays if you're trading or Stephen Quann.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you started doing the math, there was no real way.

[SPEAKER_01]: to argue that I could do way better flipping Ben Rice as an asset than I could installing him at first base next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Taylor or five year commitment for somebody who's like a gap power guy, randomly started stealing bases and Seattle, but just like a perfect fit in Seattle.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't begrudge him for getting that done early.

[SPEAKER_01]: I commend Seattle for deciding they, running it back isn't the worst thing in the world when you go on a second half surge or unbeatable in the month of September, do you almost go to the world's areas?

[SPEAKER_01]: So they have run it back to start, they have some work to do, they have some fine tuning to do, but nailer back, big move for Seattle, necessary move for Seattle and, you know, never going to be in the Yankees orbit, but probably landed where he should have.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that type of early offseason urgency is good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot more teams should take from this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Yankees are a team that needs to kind of have a reality check with this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The longer you wait, [SPEAKER_00]: The more suitors get in on the bidding, the higher the price goes, the more you back yourself into a corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: For someone as experienced as Brian Cashman is, this is where I don't understand the Yankees process, off-season to off-season, because it's constantly, oh, let's wait and we'll see how the market materializes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we'll wait and see if we can maybe get a deal, but we'll see if anybody else pops out on the market via a non-tender or via a trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, [SPEAKER_00]: But if you like the guy and you have the need, then pay the guy and fill the need.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the Mariners did.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they were able to get it done that quickly after he was there for three months, I think it's pretty admirable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Speaks to their culture, speaks to their, it's kind of that buy-in that we're seeing in Toronto with Bieber opting in and these other guys wanting to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, we have something special here [SPEAKER_00]: we want to we want to see this room and we want to do our best to make it happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm happy for the mariners.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think Josh Nellers a good get for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we talked about how he's kind of an awkward fit in New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: What I have been opposed if they sign him no, but just again, would have been weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I look, the competitiveness in the AL.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here it is, man, the Mariners are getting after it early.

[SPEAKER_00]: They essentially have the same roster returning next year, and they have a little bit more room for upgrade, especially if they're being truthful about increasing that payroll, and it's [SPEAKER_00]: Well, go over your shoulder.

[SPEAKER_00]: Other teams are, the Yankees talked about the rest of the league closing the gap.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were laid on that comment.

[SPEAKER_00]: They recently got already closed the gap at that point.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were already lapping the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're in a situation where it's like we can start seeing the second tier of American league teams start lapping the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where they're going to be in trouble.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the funny things that ever happened was Brian Cashman saying that the rest of the league closed the gap when the gap was never there to begin with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe the eggs will find the secret sauce and run it back with a number of people who were fantastic ingredients and nice additions like Josh Nailer.

[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, it makes all the sense in the world to see him go back to Seattle and see I don't need it to win this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess because [SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judges defeated Cal Rally and defeated a guest summit.

[SPEAKER_01]: He defeated the man, but he could not defeat the arguments.

[SPEAKER_01]: We still have to sit through hundreds of Cal Rally tweets.

[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned earlier that in your book, you would just pay the money for you, my or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the same book that the Mariners said Cal Rally is their MVP?

[SPEAKER_01]: And in my book, he's the MVP.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where to find that book, because in the history books, Aaron Judges, the MVP, [SPEAKER_01]: CalRolli, fantastic player, 60 hours, 49 is a catcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've never seen this before from a catcher as what a lot of people said.

[SPEAKER_01]: You may begin to see it more and more as more and more people hit more and more home runs.

[SPEAKER_01]: He sold out for power, he ended up with 60 of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, CalRolli is either the best or second best player in the American League this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing to be ashamed of.

[SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't have to talk shit on this podcast on CalRolli, but we do because we get [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking shit at the narrative.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're getting Dan Patrick saying, if Calarale did what he did for the Yankees and Aaron Judge did what he did for Seattle, you know who the MVP would be.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's true because this award and the sion and the rookie the air just become the war award over the last five, six, seven years.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what we want.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we don't want subjectivity in these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody is like three war up, [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the war leaders in the NL, the site, Paul schemes was like 10 and 11, but he led in war and he won the sign on running away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Pazansky argued this last week where it's basically like, don't we kind of isn't there no room anymore for a gut reaction for somebody saying obviously Paul schemes was phenomenal, but in my opinion, the record is lacking.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to vote for somebody who was a slightly stronger wind loss record and a lot of war and a lot of strikeouts [SPEAKER_01]: There's an element of group thing here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's kind of a surprise, it was as close as it was in a world of group thing where, you know, we can just look at the metrics and see that Judge was more valuable and Judge performed better offensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Judge was on a 94-win team in the ALAs.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do not agree that if one was in one city, the difference would be made.

[SPEAKER_01]: The East Riders voted five, five, judge Rally.

[SPEAKER_01]: The West Riders voted five, five, judge Rally.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Central Riders voted 73 judge in the first place vote.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what swung it.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are going to have the what was the more memorable season conversations forever because they're going to devalue the eighties for as long as they can.

[SPEAKER_01]: The voters are spoken, the voters pick the better season, the more impressive season.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you are a guy who just is going to remember the narrative, Calarolle, that's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: He finished second in the MVP for a reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like two first place votes away for maybe tying this thing up to depending on how the rest of this fell.

[SPEAKER_01]: But judge one by a little more than it knows.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what's going to go in the history books.

[SPEAKER_01]: The most impactful player in the American League won the MVP again.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think the only valid argument is wondering if Cal Raleigh was on the Yankees if that would have changed anything That that is the only thing that I could look on bill like all right you might have a point because look there is It's Yankees versus Mariners that there is inherently like Yankees are the big dog Mariners are the little guy we know that that just part of the reality then again There is also [SPEAKER_00]: just the reality of this statistics, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something we've argued with in the past.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Trout winning all those MVP's.

[SPEAKER_00]: Showhail, Tony continuing to win MVP's.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one is ever going to outwork showhail, Tony ever again.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only way the showhail, Tony would lose an MVP award is if he went up again, someone like.

[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Judge breaking the American League home run record and also having comparable statistics or better statistics across the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was the only thing that was ever going to sway in Otoni MVP candidacy in assuming he's playing it full strength for the remainder of his career or like Kyle Schworber this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh...

that that's a story book season that's a historic season and it he lost to a tonnier are people complaining about that a tonny pitched in eight games for the dodgers is that really gonna sway the mvp conversation like that that it's it just is what it is like you you you look at the statistics and the mvp award comes down to two things the overall counting numbers and then secondary like low secondary is the narrative aspect of it [SPEAKER_00]: So if we were sitting here and Aaron Judge and the Yankees had missed the playoffs, and Aaron Judge won the MVP award by a landslide.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, all right, that's a little ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_00]: He might have been the most valuable player, but the Yankees were not good.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were not a playoff team.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did not elevate them to new heights.

[SPEAKER_00]: that team didn't get the job done the man who was comparable in a number of statistics but not all of them but let his team to the playoffs and made history to his position.

[SPEAKER_00]: probably gets the nod here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that played a role in the 2022 MVP candidacy because Otani was on the angels, who sucked and judge was on a 99-line Yankees game and broke the American League Home Run record, which people tried to invalidate at that time because they said, oh, he's only the eighth highest home run getter of all time if you include the national league.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, okay, well, there are two leagues.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if you want to talk to the people who invented baseball, then dig them up out of their graves and we'll we'll take them out of the coffins and see if we can get any words out of them to change the modern structure of everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Cal Raleigh, excellent season and I don't want to be because I don't care about the MVP.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done after trout won all those MVP's and was again on an irrelevant angel seem I just stop caring [SPEAKER_00]: whoever has the accumulation of the most impressive statistics.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of just what it's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the only way we're going to see it's sway is if you have two behemoths going at it for an entire.

[SPEAKER_00]: the entirety of a season and there is a there is a big enough narrative to swing the vote in terms of in terms of the war discussion or in terms of whatever else it at home runs, whatever else it is, whatever whatever you want to count as the most impressive stat of that year.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact of the matter is this, Cal Raleigh beat out Judge in [SPEAKER_00]: games played by seven played appearances by 36.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, 26.

[SPEAKER_00]: Home runs by seven RBIs by 11.

[SPEAKER_00]: Soul and bases by two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Soul bases don't matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: We already know that seven games in the game calm doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: 25 played appearances or 26 played appearances doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Judge mop the floor with him in batting average, won the batting title.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one of the batting, one of three players to win the batting title and hit 50 plus homeruns, one of three, Mickey Mannell, Jimmy Fox, that's, that's a massive statistic that weighs historically and no, he's not a catcher though, so it doesn't matter at all, it's on him.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like you look at that stat and for all the people out there saying, oh, Cal Raleigh set the record for most hormones by a catcher and most hormones by a switch shitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, I get that and that's I think that's very meaningful.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in this instance, it is very meaningful for the second best player in the [SPEAKER_00]: American League like those are very good accolades for the second best player in the American League in any other year the Aaron judge was heard or Aaron judge hit 40 home runs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a different conversation?

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, but it's time and consequence.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like we've I've just I guess I'm just beyond it because I used to twist myself into a pretzel over MVP arguments not even involving my team like I would just be like this guy should [SPEAKER_00]: The voters, the voters opinions matters and whatever transpired during the season matters.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at Judge, absolute like Cal Raleigh's narrow statistics over Judge, which again worked too.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was home runs and it was RBI's.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was narrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was seven and it was 11.

[SPEAKER_00]: Judge mopped before 331 to 247 and batting average.

[SPEAKER_00]: 457 to 359 and OPP.

[SPEAKER_00]: 688 to 589 and slug.

[SPEAKER_00]: 1.144 OPS to 948 OPS.

[SPEAKER_00]: 215 OPS plus to 169 OPS plus.

[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of seasons now that I think Judge was one of two player was Otani even in the 200 OPS this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was just Judge.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Otani wasn't.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was just judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: So George was the only player in major league baseball, the OPS plus over 200.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tony at 179.

[SPEAKER_01]: So great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like 169 for Raleigh, amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one is saying Cow Raleigh is not amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one is saying Cow Raleigh is not a game changing player.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one is saying that he wasn't the most valuable player on a team that went to game seven of the ALCS, but [SPEAKER_00]: It's a judge beat him by 2.3 war, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: If it was again, if it was a gap of like one war, a point seven more, I'd say, okay, like let's have, maybe the conversation could have been shifting in that capacity, but every meaningful stat that these voters look at, it was not close when Judge had bested Raleigh.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was very close when Raleigh had bested Judge.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why this is an argument.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's toxic Yankees fans out there definitely like clowning on Mariners fans for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know that that world exists, but I can't have like the general baseball landscape complaining about this, like Aaron Judge, it's de-sensitization, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because Aaron, what Aaron Judge is doing during the regular season is stuff that we've never seen before.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible and it's like they were talking on MLB network.

[SPEAKER_00]: His judge going to be a top five or a top three most impactful Yankees, like definitely [SPEAKER_00]: Top three's in the conversation if you could play six more years like at at a really at a fairly high level.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that we've just been seeing judge do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's happening in the national spotlight.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the New York Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that can't factor into the voter fatigue.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we've had the the trout conversation of voter fatigue.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was different because trout again was not on a winning team.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was getting tiresome to see a player who ended up being a relevant for most of the year capture the most prestigious award.

[SPEAKER_00]: Judges capturing these awards when his team is going to the playoffs or when his team is winning the division.

[SPEAKER_00]: And when his team is going to the ALCS in some of the other seasons, so, or the world series, but it was ALCS World Series ALDS.

[SPEAKER_00]: So again, three playoff teams, two division winners, code division winner this year, if you want the participation trophy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't be desentitized or fatigue by judge simply because he's playing at a level known as ever seen before.

[SPEAKER_00]: That should make it all the more worthwhile that he should capture on VPs.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is what greatness is and to try to knock that greatness down a peg because you want to see somebody else win MVP because there was a cool story that year, but the stats didn't really line up like.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's we've lost the plot a little bit if we're still going to argue this on November 17th like who gives a shit [SPEAKER_01]: But we obviously are because people wanted to get their takes off and they were really hoping where Hollywood wins and that they wouldn't have to argue this anymore, I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: But after he didn't, they got the game, the ability, the magical power to continue bringing this conversation to the forefront.

[SPEAKER_01]: Both incredible.

[SPEAKER_00]: And look, it was close enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a close vote.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a blowout landslide vote.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a close enough vote where people felt strongly and judge, if it was a blowout vote, I would have said, all right, I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was just a blind board was like, Judge, I better stats, we're voting for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone did that across the board and I would say, all right, like Mariners fans might have a pointer.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was a close race.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was not a landslide.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that there's value.

[SPEAKER_00]: Place in history as a really good player in the 2025 season.

[SPEAKER_00]: confirmed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, congratulations, Aaron Judge, Calerali, two great players, one of them is the MVP, one of them finishes second, like Bobby Witch, Jr.

last year, incredible player, finished second, MVP, nothing to worry about.

[SPEAKER_01]: We see the comments, of course, who's the shortstop since Volpi is hurt, probably will be Jose Caballero.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess, but you know how they like to use him as a versatile piece rather than a starter.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to see what that's impossible predict.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to bring in some insurance there, but it's not going to be a guy like Bovis Shade, who I also see the comments, bringing up, do we bring Bill and your pack?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a three month conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've resuffed, I don't think we've resuffed, but I do not think we bring a week, we've were back, unfortunately.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Devon Williams, you don't want him back in the comments.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not coming back, but notably this weekend, it came out that, [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a whole bunch of teams chasing we last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was 12.

[SPEAKER_01]: We knew the red socks were involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know the Dodgers are involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we know the reds of already made contact with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that point was emphasized a little bit at the end of the week.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was a nugget in Bob nightingale's call on the end of the week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Too much to ask for maybe Brian Cashman to pay attention to this stuff a little bit more like I know he knows it, but just to emphasize it on your scouting sheet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like instead of training for someone with all the pressure in the world and during a walk you're coming off a playoff failure who prefer not to play on a coast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to surrender real assets for that person like do we have we have a year and it's the most important year their life to teach them to pitch in New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do we have to use some of this energy to convince someone who doesn't want to be here to come to New York against his will?

[SPEAKER_01]: For me, no, that is not something we should be doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want that factor in the scavening and the trade conversation that we do have.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're giving yourself impossible challenges.

[SPEAKER_01]: The more that definitely was sent out in close games in the 9th or in the 8th or in the extra earnings of a tie game down the stretch, especially in August.

[SPEAKER_01]: The more I was like, we just stop doing this to this man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he rebuilt his value as the late August and September dragged on and by the time the playoffs came around, I trusted him and he trusted himself and he looked a lot better.

[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, this was not a devil Williams issue, really.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was someone in devil Williams who clearly didn't want to be here and the Yankees who orchestrated his arrival, you know, no free will is a guy entering your walk here.

[SPEAKER_01]: The brewers can do whatever they want to.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees can obtain you as long as they give the brewers what they need.

[SPEAKER_01]: Devon Williams eventually adjusted it took forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's his fault that he ended up in with that significant complicating factor and not surprisingly all to hear he wants to stay in the Midwest now, though I would still have any ends up a Dodger at the end of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I imagine I, you know, I couldn't agree more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to summarize that in my own words, but my biggest [SPEAKER_00]: gripe with the Yankees among them, and there's probably a handful, but it's the person outfits with this team.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there are so many of the wrong fits over the last few years, whether you want to look all the way back on a role this chatman's tenure, whether you want to look back on Josh Donaldson, Joey Gallo, who was Sony Gray, there's just so many in there where [SPEAKER_00]: Mistakes happen right every front office makes mistakes it's there are too many decisions to be made on an annual basis to sit there and say up we made no even the Dodgers that look at the laundry list of shit the Dodgers had deal with this year Now front office made a lot of mistakes and they just happen to make fewer mistake that they just happen to make more good decisions that mistakes that help them cover up their weaknesses in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really the end goal and that's the advantage that the big market teams have.

[SPEAKER_00]: But another thing we talk about, the money, you have the ability to write a wrong at any point in time, as long as you're willing to pay a couple more tax dollars.

[SPEAKER_00]: The further away, the Yankees get from wanting to pay those tax dollars, the more they're going to treat themselves like a mid-market franchise.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if they don't want to do that, the only acceptable [SPEAKER_00]: Substrategy would be to find all the right personnel and avoid putting yourselves in a box where you are stuck with a player who is Not a fit in the city, not a fit with the roster Maybe a redundant profile whether you're talking on the pitching side of the position player side and then just saying well This is what we got so we got we got to make this work and and too often that's what the Yankees are doing [SPEAKER_00]: The perfect description of what you said where it was like people were done being mad at Devon Williams at this like the beginning of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think every Yankees fan was in sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: They said we got the best closer from last four years in a league and this is what we're getting like just give me a break man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sick of seeing this and obviously that was part of that was a symptom of maybe him not want to be here and the Yankees not paying attention to the fit or maybe a change is [SPEAKER_00]: his mechanics or a pitch mix or whatever it could have been a million things or could have just been in his head.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he fans were mad because they said, okay, maybe he wasn't going to be the best closer over the last four years coming in New York, but he would have been he shouldn't be this bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: and then they continue to run them out there in high-level situations when their collapse is furthering on and furthering on and furthering on and we can I'll go back and I'll say it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: All it was one game.

[SPEAKER_00]: One game, one fewer game, Devon Williams blows.

[SPEAKER_00]: One fewer game, Aaron Boone doesn't bring him in when he shouldn't be in the Yankees win this division.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the end of this season looks like.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I don't think they win the world series, but I can not predict what would have happened if they had home field and things were different.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and all it was was one game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, it was just anger towards the front office, anger towards management, because why did we get this player who, [SPEAKER_00]: very much has the body language that doesn't want to be here and why are we continuing to pitch him in these situations that he clearly can't handle.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why any of this?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be either or.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be either you made you fucked up and you made the the wrong decision and you have to fix it or you move him into a role that suits him better for whatever this team needs in 2025.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Yankees essentially didn't either of those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: They did half measures on both [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's it's part of that robotic scouting that we talk about where the anchor's are like oh well we're not analytical and it's like [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you might not be analytical in the sense where you're like, what was this man's war this year?

[SPEAKER_00]: We got to get him over here, he had a two war and this guy had a 1.5, we don't think you're doing that, but you are discounting important personal human characteristics that play very strongly into a person's ability to perform in this market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, the Yankees are in a market that is not conducive to all personalities.

[SPEAKER_00]: and they continue to ignore that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the latest evidence of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this offseason, I prayed to God.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't make any mistake of this magnitude again, because this ended up costing them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now that we're finding out that he wanted to remain in the Midwest, I would have never made this trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would have kept Caleb Durbin, would have been fine with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would have figured out the relief situation another time.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been, definitely, I'm not being here for 2020, I wouldn't have affected anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been better.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying not a slight to him.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just he was that bad in the beginning that it might have just been better if we had, I don't know, like Tommy Cainley in the first half.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not advocating for that, but like Tommy Cainley had a great first half with the Tigers.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they just kept him in New York and he had a great first half and they reassessed the trade that that would have been better for New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, but can't happen again in 2026 because now the, the, the, the, the Marjorifer is, is as thin as it's ever been after the departures last two off seasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's in the bullpen air and boon is going to use him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, don't don't blame Devon Williams here, but these every single game mattered and there were some games he had no business participating in and the games he didn't seem ready to participate in and he found his stride, but if he'd found it a little earlier or had never been used or had been replaced by somebody else in the pecking order, they might have never needed that progression to occur.

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