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[SPEAKER_00]: Some out of water, alongside Thomas Caronante, hectic, exciting 2448 hours of Yankees rumors, but at the end of it, we're no closer to any sort of resolution at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jack Curry thinks the Yankees are gonna trade for starting pitch rather than sign one.

[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of the world seems to think we're gonna sign one rather than trade for one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what if we just don't get one?

[SPEAKER_00]: That also feels possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll try to break it down.

[SPEAKER_00]: How much is the agency using the Yankees for leverage?

[SPEAKER_00]: How much is legitimate?

[SPEAKER_00]: And can we just please get an external edition?

[SPEAKER_00]: to this roster.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the meds are at it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: They'd steal a Yankees, bullpen peas from last season, not one we thought we'd bring back, not one we expected to, but in the aftermath, oh my god, are we all underrating how bad this bullpen is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh ma'am we're down at uh 17th of yesterday 14 more days of 2025 counting today it feels like all 14 of those days will just be full of immobile bullshit for the end [SPEAKER_01]: feels like it a week before Christmas can we get something?

[SPEAKER_01]: Anything?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we said last episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Think it's going to be slow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Think we're looking at January.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading somebody forgot who it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was Brian Hoke.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, it was Mike Axisa of CBS.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did a little recent [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, like they signed Luke Leaver in January, I think a couple of years ago, it was nothing crazy, but there is a history of activity in January.

[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever the league is doing right now in terms of suppressing the free agent market, the trademark is confusing me the most, because at the very least, people should be like the assets there are just you're getting prospects in return.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is no money involved.

[SPEAKER_01]: there's there there there shouldn't be any lockout work stoppage concerns on the trade market free agency we can understand especially for guys like Belinger, Breggman, and Kyle Tucker, but what's going on for the trade market and and why it is the trade market now dependent on the free agent market which never really feels like it's the case unless you're talking a ton of guys being available and that's not what's going on right now so [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, feels like 14 full more days of BS for us and we'll be sitting around waiting.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that absolute Slop Kyle, uh, sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: Could tell Marta for, could tell Marta report earlier today sort of sums it up for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, at the winter meetings, we all thought the Diamondbacks were going to trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Could tell Marta in a matter of at we were counting down the minute.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, Diamondbacks send tell Marta to Red Sox.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're already getting ready for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're finding out about his no trade clause.

[SPEAKER_00]: And here comes John Gamodoro who's like an Arizona sports radio guy plugged in with the team tweets today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is imminent on like a tell marty trade front, but this is going to end and soon and you're locked in.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh my god, how soon and how.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not, I do not see this dragging out much further.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty simple.

[SPEAKER_00]: If the debacks get an acceptable trade offer worthy of moving a superstar player, which as of now, they have not.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we will likely see a trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't, I would expect them to shut it down and move on to other areas of concern and our table remain a diamond back.

[SPEAKER_00]: So 150 characters to say this is going to end soon because they're going to trade them or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then they all of this time when we're led to believe this was imminent and this could kick start everything and the red socks are trying to move pieces around.

[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't even gotten an acceptable trade offer for Patel Marta yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, it's not like they're weighing the Mariners against the Red Sox skins of the Blue Jays.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even have an offer.

[SPEAKER_00]: They would call acceptable.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is gonna end soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: They could just decide not to move him.

[SPEAKER_00]: After all this, that's how it's gonna end soon, either they get it off or they like.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they currently have none, or they don't treat him at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: That summed it up for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: We heard about Marte.

[SPEAKER_00]: We heard about Mackenzie Gore.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sania contra.

[SPEAKER_00]: Edward Cabrero is supposed to go to the Orioles a week and a half ago, none of these players have moved.

[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's going to move at some point, but right now the trade market is sunny gray and the brand in Nimmo trade and we haven't heard any movement on at the Yankees are having an offseason that is full of silence.

[SPEAKER_00]: true, they also have not lost a single target they've been connected to unless you want to count Luke weaver in Devon Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: None of the names we think could be Yankees in an ideal world have gone anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: And none of their rivals have made a trade splurge that really makes us sweat, sunny gray, a fine addition to the team.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're still short.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's been a very odd month, month and a half or so, where there's been movement, there've been big money deals, the Aggies haven't been involved, but also none of the names that make sense for the Aggies have gone anywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's been it even weirder week, the winter meetings ended a week ago, and all of the rumors that surface there have died, that like nothing has intensified since then, like you said, [SPEAKER_01]: the McKenzie Gore rumors disappeared.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Everett Cabrera rumors gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sandy Alcantra, I haven't heard a word about him since then.

[SPEAKER_01]: So again, don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Usually right out of the winter meetings at the very least, you would see some legs from the existing buzz or whatever it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was just agents feeding agents and teams feeding incorrect info just to [SPEAKER_01]: keep the momentum going with the the chatter around major league baseball and then they knew after the winter meetings it wouldn't matter because everyone's going to be in the same holding pot you're checking out for the holidays everyone's going to be checking out a week anyway so it doesn't matter these rumors can die but it's it's frustrating again because [SPEAKER_01]: there it this is a big season coming up with you know for a lot of teams with how they need to upgrade like some of these teams they're kind of like the Yankees are one of them last stand like the next couple years that's it if you want to win with this group of players 20 26 20 27's kind of just it [SPEAKER_01]: and then you got to like blue jaz even they have some guys coming off the books over the next year to they got a capitalized if they want to build off of that taking the Dodgers game seven of the world series even the Dodgers will have some players coming off the books within the next couple years that it will change the complexion of their team the Tigers two years in a row go to ALDS game five and [SPEAKER_01]: Like in my opinion, if they had another middle of the order bat, they could have taken the blue jays to the break in the CS.

[SPEAKER_01]: The year prior, they could have given the Yankees trouble in the CS.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a team that fundamental baseball, good defense, good base running like that's a bad matchup for the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, so many of these teams are facing kind of make or break and nothing's happening, very frustrating stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the pitching market specifically [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can read as much as you'd like.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get any information that's concrete or leading you in a certain direction.

[SPEAKER_01]: We heard the stuff on the trade market.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the Gore rumors died.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Alcontra rumors died.

[SPEAKER_01]: If there was anybody else, don't know, the Yankees were supposedly, if we're out starting pitching, the Yankees were supposedly genuinely interested in a reunion with Luke Weaver.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to that in a minute, but they were also interested in Brad Keller.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brad Keller goes to the Phillies for two years.

[SPEAKER_00]: team that was not rumored to Brad Keller.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was us and the blue jays as far as I saw and obviously he's got a market You know if ten teams checked in on Luke weaver then eight ten twelve teams checked in on Brad Keller But okay, it's gonna be this Yankees blue jays bullpen showed out.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's that Philly's coming out of literally nowhere But it's paying him the week we were daily yesterday Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: I, maybe I am the idiot with the carrot on the string.

[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's definitely a chance that we learn nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

[SPEAKER_00]: 24, 48 hours.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is everyone listens to his podcast and the people on it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Are we all very stupid?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I've watched a lot of yes hot stove so far this off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten nothing, although every time Jack Curry is on, he reiterates.

[SPEAKER_00]: that the Yankees are more likely to obtain a starting pitcher from the trade market rather than free agency.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we still, though, got Michael King connected to the Yankees this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: We know there's not a final free, but we know they're interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Michael King has a four-year request like Jack Curry also warned us earlier in the off season about agents tying the Yankees to pursuits.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not attached to it all.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Tuesday, we hear they're seriously interested in a relief reunion with Luke Weaver and there's mutual interest Wednesday, [SPEAKER_01]: We're just talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You think they just did that purposely to drive at the price on the mats for fun?

[SPEAKER_00]: highly possible and so you got to wonder if Michael King who's involved with the Orioles and the Red Sox is a sentimental team and also obviously the Metz because he's an X-E-A-K, and that's what they do.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to wonder if the Yankees are in that just to drive up the price as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tatsu-I-E-Mai, like Jack Crane was on last time he's on hot stove, he reiterated the trade likelihood.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's on that every episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tatsu-I-E-Mai, something comes out yesterday after a bunch of reports out of Japan indicating the Yankees are heavily bidding.

[SPEAKER_00]: Francis Romero saying it's going to be the Yankees and Colbs is the finalists, and Emy doesn't want to go to a team with Japanese players if he can avoid it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Cubs obviously have say it's a Zuki, and coming back, you know, as Shody Managa is coming back as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: on the qualifying offer, so for at least one year he's there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, look, the Philly's Yankees and Cubs keep getting connected to this guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: January 2nd is his deadline.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are the Yankees in on him, Evely?

[SPEAKER_00]: You believe Jack Curry, absolutely not.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no indication from him that the Yankees are going to be able to close this.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees are even in on this, but it was raised to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other day that he was all over Yamamoto, he was talking up the Yankees connection to Yamamoto.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Yankees connection to Yamamoto was very real.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it possible the Yankees asked him to downplay their connection to Yamaha so that fans aren't rioting when they don't do or don't get him in the same way that they were clamoring for Yamamoto updates.

[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, it's an interesting theory.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's far-fetched mostly because Yankees fans are still clamoring for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't stopped them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yankees fans clamor for whatever targets they want to.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't get somebody, they're going to be loud and annoying about it online.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think Jack Curry downplaying in connection.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to prevent Yankees fans from jumping to conclusions.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, I'm probably an idiot.

[SPEAKER_00]: The carrot is probably just a carrot.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a prize.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something I should go grab off the stick.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I am interested in watching hot stove tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now that there are legitimate EMI rumors out there, and somebody is saying the aches and cubs are the finalists.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Jack Curry, who knows more about this than anybody, has been saying, I would look at a trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would not look at free agency.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested if tonight he comments on those rumors, or if he adjusts in any way, or if he continues to say something like, [SPEAKER_00]: the Yankees like the pitcher a lot, but you know there's a limit to how far they're willing to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ain't grind your Barrow can do the job.

[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with the comment that a starting pitcher would be a luxury in theory, but also if you're not seven eight deep in the rotation at this point in baseball, [SPEAKER_00]: your your three deep like you need so many names you can throw out and that's why the bullpen scares me and we'll get to that in a bit but what would it be overkill like in the traditional sense where your number five starter can be someone who just blows sure but in modern baseball you need six seven eight viable starting pitchers with high upside you can no longer throw [SPEAKER_00]: the way that you could in the mid-late 90s, early 2000s.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, some teams didn't even have three good pictures back then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, everybody's got to be flame throwers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's got to have a four-pitch mix.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't get away with that anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Yankees are always one picture short.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every year, you guys see it, and I understand it would be a luxury, but at the same time, what do you want to do?

[SPEAKER_01]: You want to pay for...

[SPEAKER_01]: an additional bat on top of Belinger or you want to let Belinger go and get Tucker and you think that'll make a difference.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the Yankees are deciding to beef up one area of the roster over that like they did it the entire beginning of the Aaron judge John Carlos Stanton era they had no pitching in 2017-2018-2019.

[SPEAKER_01]: They they had no pitching and they set up we're gonna get [SPEAKER_01]: You know, former MPP Andrew McCutchen in here, we're going to beef up this line up with and we're going to Edwin and Kronosione with the trade deadline, we're going to get all these hitter.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to sign DJ Lamehu, they went out and they got all these guys to make sure that the offensive profiles were as diverse and as talented as possible, knowing that their rotation sucked and they had a good bullpen too.

[SPEAKER_01]: So whether it's a luxury or not, doesn't matter, again, we talk every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: get the good players figure it out later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who would be upset if they signed Michael King or Tatsuie Emi, that would be a little bit silly because you're getting a good player and you're improving the roster.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Jack Curry's talking about leaning towards a trade market, I don't know who you go get, that is going to be like revolutionary or absolutely game-changing or what?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the Yankees just would rather trade prospects than spend money.

[SPEAKER_01]: Terrix Hubel would be really the only respectable option in terms of making yourself a juggernaut, but he's probably not getting traded unless [SPEAKER_01]: There's something the Yankees can do to really blow the Tigers away.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have the ability to make that happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about these other candidates like Mackenzie Gore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last episode, you guys in the comments got pretty freaked out about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, again, we're talking about a guy in the four or five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about a guy in the four or five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about a guy in the four or five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about a guy in the four or five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about a guy in the four or five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: about a guy at the top of the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even if Emi were to come in, he'd probably be a number four for now because he has no major league baseball experience, Garrett Cole's coming back, Max Freed is better, and Cole's wrote on his more experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's, if that's what it looks like, then that's what it looks.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter where he's pitching, as long as he's producing, and if you're looking at these other, like, [SPEAKER_01]: these other trade acquisitions unless there's somebody available that we don't know about or if there's a mega deal that's being talked about behind the scenes that we haven't heard about then I think I could jump on board with a trade acquisition but at this point I'd rather the Yankees just trade for a hitter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or I'd rather the like, if the Yankees don't want to spend money in this market period because you have guys, e-mise making maybe upwards of 200 million, you just saw the reports come out about Belinger and Bragman, Bragman wants six years, Belinger might want more than that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you would have to guess seven, reasonably seven, and then Tucker is apparently holding strong with whatever mega contract he's going to get.

[SPEAKER_01]: that market is extremely prohibitive.

[SPEAKER_01]: At least every year you can get pictures or obviously a tough asset because they can go down at any moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: But their production in terms of getting an elite starter and paying top dollar for it, like rarely do you get burned burned.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the only deal that I could think about where someone got really screwed on a starting pitching deal is Steven Shrosberg and the nationals after when he signed after the World Series.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was [SPEAKER_01]: insane injuries that were one unforeseen into like of the worst kind that you can't come back from.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think at this rate, if you're going to invest money money, have it be in the rotation, pay for one of these guys, whoever it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think King is the play because he can he can kind of [SPEAKER_01]: Top out is a number two if you really wanted that to be the reality and then he's a chameleon in the back end of the rotation just popping him when he can throwing gems here in their eating innings and then go trade for a hitter again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that hitter is going to look like.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who's available but that's where you're saving the money if you're the Yankees spending money on pitching and trading for hitters.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree of a trading for a picture because I don't see anybody out there except school who would make [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I would take him on my team, do I want to deal with the last two down years in the Tommy John surgery implications?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mackenzie Gore, do I want to live in the high upside world and hope that the time at the nationals is, or some of the concerning metrics with the nationals are a result of that team just sucking and either him not being happy, [SPEAKER_01]: Not again, not really.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't we we've there's been a lot of complaints coming out of The Yankees for how they've been handling pictures anyway, so I'd rather them not have to take on a project and then just get a guy who's good That's where I'm at so watch hotsoaf tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what's up, but [SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you in January.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just wish we could, we could treat money with a little less reverence, like, and we always say this, you know, house armored or fixated on how you don't need a $300 million payroll to win a world series.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't, other teams don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: This current team does.

[SPEAKER_00]: if you don't have a 340, 50 million dollar payroll, given what you've already backed yourself into, you will not be well equipped to win the world series unless you hit on all of your player development, unless you hit on all of your prospecting, unless you trip ass backwards into Mike, talk, man, and Cameron, maybe, and like you did in 2019, you do that like five or six times in a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then you'll be good, but otherwise you're in trouble.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's see from this one forward, we're still waiting, and again, [SPEAKER_00]: So the bullpen now right that mutual interest in a loop weave a reunion on Tuesday Wednesday He's a met and the common earlier saying that the Yankees probably never even bid no They never even bid according to the latest intel.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were not involved and why would they be on a two-year $22 million deal we we could have predicted loop we over the met before the offseason even began Devin Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought was going to the Dodgers We we were I thought was going to the mats somehow.

[SPEAKER_00]: They both go there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's [SPEAKER_00]: what the methods are doing is legitimately insane and I don't understand why when Metz fans push back on this, like it's not weird, like you just have to sort of accept it of weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to accept that it's weird, like Metz fans are like, I don't understand if I mean they're if their quality play, I mean they [SPEAKER_00]: I guess they're all quality players, but we're also talking about people coming off down years.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're also talking about Frankie Montass.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're also talking about Luis Severino after his worst season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're just talking about the met saving everyone they can, coming over from the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: And are we, are we also lying to ourselves and saying that they've all performed like exceptionally well?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know what Devin Williams is gonna do, I don't know what Luke, we were just gonna do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know what Luke we were did before and after the hamster injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know all about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also know his fastball velocity was down point six miles an hour last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: and then without an upper tier fastball, the change up doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He and Devon Williams teamed up to become unpinchable for large stretches of the season and never lined up at the same time as being valuable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Could move, we've bounced back possible.

[SPEAKER_00]: It could Devon Williams bounced back probably more likely.

[SPEAKER_00]: But playing homes last year, play homes are starting pitcher.

[SPEAKER_00]: was a big part of the meds collapse the end of the year could not give them length ran out of gas Frankie Montass, one of the worst signings in the recent history when we severino first half versus second half heavy again very different.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like the meds are just poaching a whole bunch of Yankees and immediately profiting in the same way that like the Red Sox taking Garrett Whitlock and taking [SPEAKER_00]: Greg Weiser and taking Rob Reft Snyder from many teams.

[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, like the Red Sox Carlisnar Vias keep turning Yankees non-assets into important pieces.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Metz keep taking prominent struggling Yankees and then learning that they still have flaws.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's strange.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's objectively strange to be shopping so consistently in one particular aisle.

[SPEAKER_00]: But whether you wanted Weaver or not, I did not want Weaver back, especially not at this price.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's not my fault the A's consider money so heavily.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they just spent money like Chicklets and okay fine, $11 million a year for Luke we were two years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do your thing, you know, $11 million for $51 million.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do your thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want either of those players back, maybe at all, certainly not at the price they were paid by the New York Metz.

[SPEAKER_00]: But don't let that distract you from how dog shit the current bullpen is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to kind of be the hill that I may be die on for the rest of the off season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad the comment section brought up Danny Column.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're making trades, Jojo Romero, like, try to get creative, hunter, Henry, sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the tight end.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hunter Harvey, Sean Armstrong, the list of names that are still available came out this morning, and it's pretty ugly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the Yankees current bullpen, [SPEAKER_00]: David Bednar, Camila Doeval for Nando Cruz, Jake Bird, Tim Hill, Brent Hedrick, Rule 5 picked Tade Windquest, Yary Dilo Santos.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last year at the end of the season, the aches during the season, the start of the season, the aches had the worst bullpen I have ever seen, the New York Yankees have.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not the worst bullpen in baseball history, is a team with a proud tradition of having four late innings arms you can trust, followed by solid middle relievers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Last year's bullpen was completely unusable by the end of the year, who did you trust?

[SPEAKER_00]: David Bednar, Tim Hill, Devon Williams, in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we know what Tim Hill is.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a fireballer.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to come in in a situation where he got blow 98 past somebody.

[SPEAKER_00]: David Bednar, the closer I trusted him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tim Hale, I knew exactly what I was getting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Devon Williams had rebounded.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was now a solid eighth inning guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Weaver was unusable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Camilo DeVal was unusable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Cruz was up and down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Had his mot Red Sox like Red Sox fans like to tell you, he celebrated like crazy after a 400 foot nuke to center.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whatever, that's pitching.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cornerback, celebrate when the winters he were dropped a pass they didn't touch.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's life.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Fernando Cruz had his moments.

[SPEAKER_00]: Had his down moments.

[SPEAKER_00]: A Jake bird wasn't in the major shouldn't have been Brent Hedrick, a guy who intrigued me, but not a guy who's in the major leagues at the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: They had three guys I trusted, one only for a specialized role by September last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one of those guys, I didn't want to bring back to Evan Williams.

[SPEAKER_00]: But one of those guys is gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a closer, you can trust, closest to a volatile, but I trust David Bednar.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have a lefty reliever, you can trust.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have a single other piece you can trust.

[SPEAKER_00]: Think about it having a four to lead in the sixth inning I'd opening day who's getting the ball, probably Tim Hill.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's getting the ball in the seventh?

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone you don't trust.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's getting the ball in the eighth?

[SPEAKER_00]: Someone you don't trust.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we're at right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So with all of these, the rotation, you could be fit up for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: The lineup, you got to think about Cody Belinger in his six, seven, eight years.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to think about Platoon.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to think about Garrett, give it Aaron Boone options.

[SPEAKER_00]: You would think about all these things.

[SPEAKER_00]: The bullpen is empty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two thirds empty.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want people to forget about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's unusable.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Metz have given former Yankees Closer's $110 million between Devin Williams, Luke Weaver, and Clayhomes, ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_01]: On that note, we're any of these guys going to be assets for the Yankees bullpen in 2026.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, I think we could have made the argument for Devin Williams.

[SPEAKER_01]: especially with how he figured stuff up up down the figured stuff out down the stretch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Notice that again, whatever pitch adjustments thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's saying he's crying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my god, David Williams calling out the organization.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, is that's the question about what happened?

[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, they thought a change in my arsenal would be beneficial and make me better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I went back to my old stuff and ended up working.

[SPEAKER_01]: It happens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, [SPEAKER_01]: Do I think the Yankees are dumb for trying to tinker with one of the best closers in the game?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so let's stop doing that, maybe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, whatever it was, it didn't work.

[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't really keen on retaining Devon Williams at $18,17 million here, whatever it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Luke Weaver, I think the plan with Luke Weaver with the Yankees, and Suemi for being a pessimist, but [SPEAKER_01]: when they saw him kind of crater, and you all noticed it, he was being wildly misused being brought in the sixth and seventh inning, even when he was the best like one of the better relievers in the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Boom was still treating him like, oh, I need a guy to get me to the finish line.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes Luke Weaver and Luke Weaver would shut down the opposing lineup.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had his ups and downs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not denying that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Had his injuries was overused a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think came back from that injury a little bit too quickly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, another situation where he said, eh, my mechanics were messed with a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: My usage was messed with a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't really, didn't really work out.

[SPEAKER_01]: So would rather go back to, in his opinion, eh, whatever happened in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was better.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the plan there was, once the achy saw you got injured and then he wasn't [SPEAKER_01]: we could probably get Luke weaver back at a bargain next year, because, and now let's not use them in the highest of leverage situations because [SPEAKER_01]: we don't want him to improve his market.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look, this game's a business.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not accusing the Yankees of doing this.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is just what I think is part of what happens when you have a situation where you don't want a force.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the Yankees were trying, the deal when the Yankees acquired Devon Williams, for example, was to shepherd him into free agency and give him the best situation possible, which is why they gave him a lot of runaway in the closer role.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is probably by down the stretch they said, go back to whatever you're doing, try to salvage whatever market you have left at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't work out.

[SPEAKER_01]: For someone like Luke Weaver where the Yankees kind of re...

[SPEAKER_01]: reconfigured him and gave him a second life to his career, they probably thought they could take advantage of that again.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they said, oh, well, not doing well, not going to put him in a spot necessarily to succeed or get him in the major spotlight where other teams are going to notice his abilities and overpayment for agency.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see how far we can get.

[SPEAKER_01]: obviously the meds kept the close eye and they said not a million dollars a year your hours it was clear the Yankees weren't interested that or they were minimally interested in which is why this theory is holding on for me a little bit they didn't even make an offer to weaver so that means that they were waiting to see what the interest was going to be they probably heard the meds were interested from the beginning of the offseason and they said well [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get a lot of money from the Met so we're out.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know what they're going to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: They paid Clayholms 38 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_01]: They paid Devon Williams, $51 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why would they not pay loop?

[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they paid loop, we were $18 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Yankees were in on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, in terms of the bullpen construction right now, here's another pessimistic thought for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees viewed their work at the trade deadline [SPEAKER_01]: a majority of their offseason work, 100% feels that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not saying that that's necessarily the worst strategy in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: They got talented guys at the trade deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: David Bednar has been awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: Camille Doval is is filthy.

[SPEAKER_01]: If he is on, he's an incredibly good back end reliever.

[SPEAKER_01]: If he's all asked to have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just one of those [SPEAKER_01]: You're betting on, and it's what the Yankees always do.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're betting on the bounce back.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're betting on the sample size that doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, what if we had come to all do what he has never done for a full season?

[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't that be great?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not gonna happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not gonna happen, sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the rest of these guys, it's just like, [SPEAKER_01]: bullpen filler.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Hill lefty.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need that guy in the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to have to delete lefties.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know what they're going to do with that point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Matt strong is available from the fillies apparently Jeff Passen said this morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if the Yankees want to get in on that and make it happen, that would be massive.

[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they have something the fillies want and the Yankees don't have to give up a whole lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Fernando Cruz again, wild roller [SPEAKER_01]: an incredible reliever who gets you out of jams or is serving up home run so it's the night and day aspect of these things too and then literally beyond that is bullpen filler like they are they gonna rely on Jake bird are they relying on some of these prospects or these younger pictures or these triple A guys to come up and move the line until the trade deadline again I don't know but yeah that's that's why this is bleak.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jake birds baseball references a horror show, by the way, like hey, but believe in the FIP from last year if you want to and 2023 and I I'd love for Jake bird to not be Scott Fross, like it would be great if we had a controllable reliever who was worth what we surrendered for him, but.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jake Bird last year had a 1.536 whip and you're like, oh my god, that's like 33% worse than it should be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, surely that's an outlier in his career.

[SPEAKER_00]: What was it in 2024?

[SPEAKER_00]: 1.7.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have never heard of a whip that high in my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, hey, if Duval and Jake Verbe become viable set up man and Fernando Cruz can be the low threes, ERA version of Fernando Cruz instead of the injured one closer to the end of the year where it was sort of a coin flip and Tim Hill can continue to be Tim Hill and you get one breakout, whether it's winquest or hedric.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, there's a way to salvage this, you need to bring in some sort of established arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: whether it's Romero, whether it is Danny Kloom, whether it's a Sean Armstrong, whether it's 40 year old Kirbyates on a bargain.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who it, I don't like it again.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be more of a wild card though.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna be Pete Fairbanks and it's not gonna be the guys who we already discussed as potential great fits who went elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brad Keller was the one I really wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, does that price fair?

[SPEAKER_00]: Price feels fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two years feels fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: 11 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_00]: A Gregory Soto went to the Pirates for $7.5 million dollars.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ser Anthony Dominguez is another one who's available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he showed up on the Yankees, I would say, great, you know, delightful.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, it's not only, it's happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like their making here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be free agents.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're making the major bullpen moves.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should be Jacob Junus is available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just such a bleak list of guys you last heard about in 2021.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob Junus is a pretty good last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if I tell you, hey, they're adding Jacob's units to the book.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good news.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got Jacob's units for the both end.

[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't be like, oh, my prayers are answered.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be like, another wild card.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, to me, they were never in on D.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Iglesias was probably always returning to the brave's based on the fact that he rejected a contract, reportedly rejected a contract from the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Tyler Rodgers deal, I'd never be paying that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: The bigger misses for the Yankees here, [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of like, what are you actually doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is, and this, some of these might not be their fault and the for else lead off with that Chris Martin.

[SPEAKER_01]: What have been great?

[SPEAKER_01]: One year deal, he keeps signing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's obvious though, he, I think he's from Texas or he lives in Texas, he wants to be closer to home.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that is maybe a major factor, but again, [SPEAKER_01]: didn't hear the aches involved at all here.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes me say, did you just let the Rangers share up the best opportunity for him for the last, however, month and a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he said, yeah, you know what, nobody else convinced me otherwise.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what I'll do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Emilio Pagan, reset him with the reds for two years and 20 million, like one of the [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't lure him away from Cincinnati.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have an affinity for Cincinnati?

[SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it, but like he was also there for the last few years, so maybe [SPEAKER_01]: Still, again, you're the Yankees, figure it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hobie Milner had great swing and miss numbers, and he signed with the Cubs.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Cubs are acting like an even worse poverty franchise, like the Yankees at this point, like not investing big time in players and like whining about revenues and being careful about who they sign, and like the Cubs made that deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then the three biggest misses by far for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kenley Jansson, I get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to spend big on an on an aging reliever, but this is a guy who pitched in the ALEs for two years.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a whole fame closer.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when the contract details came out with the tigers, he essentially signed a one year 11 million dollar deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was two years with a team option.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the option is either $12 million or a buyout.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was either a two year 21 million dollar deal or a one year 11 million dollar deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how the Yankees can't afford that and pair him with David Bednar doesn't make any sense to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then the other two Ryan Hellsley goes in the division two years, 28 million to the Orioles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's might be a little rich based on what he did down the stretch and there was a regression.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the tail end of 2024 and then into the start of 2024, but he was still good and you have to pay for good relievers That's just simply how it works most of all Robert's war as this guy was projected to get upwards of $80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, [SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me the Yankees weren't involved here to say, hey, we'll give you the same offer, and you can either close here or be the setup man for David Bednor, a better closure than Bricella Glacius.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where my confusion is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Unless the Yankees are saving every penny to sign another free agent or [SPEAKER_01]: to bring in a higher salary via trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you, the thing is missing on that many options.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that many like appeasing options.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not arguing that they should have signed Devon Williams, that price was too high.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not arguing they should have signed Tyler Rogers.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was an overpay from the blue jays that they had the luxury to make as they needed the bullpen help.

[SPEAKER_01]: Edwin Diaz, it was never happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: I could admit that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to get mad about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Letting him go to the Dodgers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, tough stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: But clearly you want to do there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I won't even argue.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously not retaining weaver.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kyle Finigan would have been a cool one, but that was a little bit of an elevated price too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm arguing the ones where it was clear that even other teams got a discount.

[SPEAKER_01]: And other teams got a discount with a role change in some of these cases.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where are Yankees?

[SPEAKER_01]: Where is Brian Cashman?

[SPEAKER_01]: Where in the world is Mr.

Brian Cashman?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't believe what Swara is going for and I can't believe we were involved.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not involved in any capacity as far as I can tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're now ticking down.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you don't sign a Sean Armstrong which, again, I'd be hard pressed to say like, got to, can't miss, need Sean Armstrong.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, make your picker, picker choice at this point in time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not way into any of these people, but we're talking about the names that are showing up in a similar spot on the list of available relievers in the value.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've accrued as Mark later, Jr.

[SPEAKER_00]: who just like wasn't automatic, no thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got to go.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ian Hamilton, gotta go.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now, you're looking at the list of available variations going, is Ian Hamilton better than most of these people?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Danny Koolum, I'm down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Wilson, I am not down.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, I had to need to admit it as I'm down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Ross, I am not down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hooray Lopez, I am not down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guys who've signed minor league deals are still available.

[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Copeck, fine, how much?

[SPEAKER_00]: I would take him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But like, man, it's, you're going to be, if you're gonna be bringing in a bullpen arm, it's gonna be either a really expensive trade or someone like Mason Miller, someone like Jeremiah Estrada of the Podras, or it's gonna be a really expensive trade done in the middle of the summer, [SPEAKER_00]: Or it's going to be another freaking wild card for me to pencil in near Jake Bird and say, I guess if we get the 95%ile outcome, this guy will be great.

[SPEAKER_00]: But will we, when's the last time we did?

[SPEAKER_01]: Copec was hurt last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's been he's always hurt, but he's always if he can give me a 35 innings and then be available for the postseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great asset to have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, cheaper.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying we're trying to get at the times here if the Yankees don't want to pay for stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving you cheap options.

[SPEAKER_01]: They already know like they don't they don't need us, but I'd like an answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: All I want is an answer every offseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just why are we not in on these guys that are going for cheat deals to other teams?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could have given.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: a couple extra million to swore as or two or to jansson you could have given jansson one year 12 million would anybody be complaining about that no so and if they want to stick with this group that's fine if they believe in a couple of guys can like I was just looking at the roster [SPEAKER_01]: because now I'm like seriously getting confused as to who might be available.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I like Brett Hedrick last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I should be in win quest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like Kade win quest too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Hedrick should have been used a little bit more last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that [SPEAKER_01]: That's the other thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like is Chase Hampton going to be ready next year, but he's also a starter Javion Sandridge like that's another guy on the 40 man who I was that a guy on the 40 man I don't know what he does is he good There's a man named Kurvin Castro.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, remember that no, I know you don't I don't either I don't know when he arrived.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's where this gets good like Elmaraj Riga's [SPEAKER_01]: starter, may not be ready for the Major League roster.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you bumping Bill Warren, Luisield, the bullpen, if you sign another picture, and then if so, what are their roles in the bullpen?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because Warren clearly does not have bullpen stuff, and Luisield has walk issues.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I feel like someone's smarter should be making moves, and we shouldn't have to be talking about this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Curving Castro kind of kicked as a triple last year, so maybe he's a solution.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But just want to make sure everyone who's launching and listening knows that we're not forgetting about the bullpen and the diaries and how bad it was last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we just can't pretend like you've got to beef up that lineup.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to build.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to flirt with Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got to find a tattoo you might have topped the rotation.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're handing 3-1 leads to this bullpen, you're winning like 50% of the time, it needs to be better.

[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, so just a couple of quick hits to this Yagis International signings thing, I don't know what to believe in, what not to believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Donny Rowland has been the international scouting director for the Yankees forever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he always ties the Yankees to the top of the market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Demingez, but also in 2014, Wilkermin Garcia, you know, ball these big names, Roderick areas, Brando Maya, the Yankees get a top five international prospect every year and it does not seem to pan out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Almost ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Demingez has potential.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen that potential real Estivan Floria.

[SPEAKER_00]: used to dominate in the international market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they still spend, but they receive.

[SPEAKER_00]: They do not get the value they're supposed to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: So is that on Rollins for picking the wrong guys?

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, they decide to let his contract expire.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it on the development team?

[SPEAKER_00]: After these guys get stateside?

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's harder to pin on them just because these aren't prospects who like rise and then hit a wall and then fall.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are guys who like join the AC system and just never hit over two-ten with.

[SPEAKER_00]: and we don't see the raw power translate.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see the tool.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see any of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are skeptical of what they've been doing, think we're in need of a change, we agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, [SPEAKER_00]: losing the head of international scouting seems to have changed everything the eighties put in place through twenty twenty nine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're losing like all of the name that right down to the thirteen year olds they're losing all of these games they made heavy contact with over the next several winters which I can't care about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't care about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder why the eight like I refuse [SPEAKER_00]: If I do care, I'll just get to angry about this house of cards collapsing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why the Yankees getting rid of their international scouting director.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're the only scene I've ever seen experiences.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why this happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why everybody was loyal to the international scouting director and not the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I digress.

[SPEAKER_00]: If one of us again, their top prospects, you're supposed to sign in January.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he gets poached, then I'm going to lose it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there were rumors in early December that he might be up for grabs.

[SPEAKER_00]: told Yankee's farm follows the international signings on Twitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: They told him we've spent, we're never letting him get away.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've spent two years saying that if we do nothing else, we're going to sign won't he?

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then in the next week, [SPEAKER_00]: Rumor from Yankees Farm was that another team had put together a higher offer for Wani.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you let that happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why anybody thinks the door is open, but the Yankees clearly have allowed other teams to think the door is open.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was still seeing working out in Yankees gear on December 10th.

[SPEAKER_00]: People work out in gear all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's been at the Yankees facility.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now there is negotiating to do, and who is doing it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not short, but we lost the head of international scouting, which shouldn't have an after effects, but it appears to have a massive after effect based on the fact that every other international prospect is leaving the Yankees flock.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, an unsourced sketchy reporter yesterday indicates the rangers are reportedly trying to give players back onto the open markets so they can free up more money for us again.

[SPEAKER_00]: people keep assuring us of the eight years going to wind up with this guy and teams never lose players they've been tied to this late in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if Brian Cashman had an even an inkling that this decision was going to come down to extending our current director on like a two or three year deal or losing all of these international prospects in a row including someone who is probably the guy with the most talent the eight years have been attached to since [SPEAKER_00]: I would go ahead and give him the courtesy deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Brian, I would.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how about this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the international scouting recruiting situation was for the past 15 years was bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was not good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: The best international player that they recruited was Louis Severino.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and they've they've got this weird thing where the guys who they've done a good job at acquiring are the lower but like Carlos LaGroné, like he's five hundred thousand dollar deals versus the big money guys the last like big money do they really hit on was Gary Sanchez spending on what you think getting on a prospect is yeah, so I would say Severino Sanchez and Dominguez were probably the top three [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, we could go around the league, and we could probably find 15 teams who did, who have one player that you know off the top of your head, like Braves, Ronald Akoony Jr., done.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just easy to find them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was the strategy here?

[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankee saying, fuck it, we're done with this guy and we don't care about what happens because whatever he's done over the last 15 years hasn't worked and if we end up saving money and are able to spend it on our new recruiting efforts that would be worth our time more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Donny Rowland just watch showing up to 13 year olds houses and dropping off bags of cash to say sign with the Yankees in three years.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back with him with his with his goon serving a security like I don't know how this worked or.

[SPEAKER_01]: again, why there was such a cliff, the Yankees are always in on the top prospect in the national international class every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's been a good number of times they have signed that person.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dominguez was one, Brando Maya was another, um, [SPEAKER_01]: Who was the other recent one there?

[SPEAKER_00]: Roderick Areas was number one last.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one where it's like, if you're gonna botch one, that's a huge botch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they're always there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're not getting the number one, they're getting the top five, but they're have been non-materialized in a sustainable manner at the major league level.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gary Sanchez was, yeah, he was a prolific power-hitting catcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: In reality, he had two good years at the major league level, and Jojo already didn't like his work ethic and his attitude, and then Aaron Boone allowed that to fester, and then Aaron Boone decided to bench him during the playoffs without telling him that he was doing that, and then that was the end of Gary Sanchez.

[SPEAKER_01]: So does that, is that a good Yankees tenure to you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Does that inspire any confidence Louis Severino really good two years year and a half if you want to call it that because he really faltered down the stretch in in 2018 or whatever it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: leaves the ends up being injured, not communicating injury issues with the organization uh...

lashing out at the front office for putting them on the sixty day injured less money would have been out for at least forty five days anyway and then shit talks the organization on his way out is that a good international signing for you so whether there is [SPEAKER_01]: a talent issue or a personality issue and the personality issues, the aches have large large problems with, even with their domestic recruiting in free agency and via, via trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does it really matter, we're losing a 14 year old who's taking batting, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's off a tee in the Dominican Republic right now, like I don't, again, you're, I'm in your camp, like I can't care about this and I don't pay attention to prospects as maybe [SPEAKER_01]: fan does because so many of them don't pan out and then you end up just following a lesser product of minor league baseball and you get wrapped up in getting excited about Anthony Volpi for example.

[SPEAKER_01]: Things like that and I just can't do that because there's enough of the letdown at the major league roster anyway.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my working optimistic theory, if we want to go full 180 here is that the Yankee said, Donny, you're done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everything you have accomplished and don't really care what happens to all the other groundwork you laid because it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that we saw from you for the most part over the last 15 years was not good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the fact that he got 15 years insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you or anybody else does a bad job at your occupation for even upwards of two years, [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a job that pays $50,000 a year.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's making probably half a million dollars a year at least.

[SPEAKER_01]: And just with after, with after, with for 15 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm international scouting is definitely not an easy business.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that he was a total failure or that his job should have been easy, but it's a results based business and there were only there were next to no result.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess maybe the Sanchez Severino small window bought him some time, perhaps, and the Yankees were like, anyway, if you find two of these guys during the later air in judgment, we're kind of cooking and it just never happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Cashman's probably just wiping his hands of this saying, let's [SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just cannot believe that there were the Ripple section there were and and you look back at the last even like five years of international classes there are not a lot of names and open your eyes always a lot of the hard work is done from the deals that you sign at the margin.

[SPEAKER_00]: That the super cheap deals and the people you bring in your academy, et cetera, rather than the absolute top of the class.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, hey, you pick wrong over and over and over again, eventually you're going to run out of runway and you're going to lose that job.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I don't care what's happening in the future classes.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just seems very clear that the Yankees need to do whatever they can do to get won.

[SPEAKER_00]: You ask again in the building.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like the Yankees Farm System.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate how skiddish it makes me what I'm thinking about the players transitioning from the miners to the big leagues.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it would just not none of them get traded ever ever ever it would just things would look so much more complete with just one elite international prospect in here, like people in the comments asking about Lombard Jr.

can we use him could we use Spencer Jones and.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe probably you're going to get Lombard next year if you know you're going to get Jones a little bit this year if he Does what we think he might do just running down the list.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like endless pitching people love Dax Killby who they took last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Lombard has been toolsy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't hit yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jones has hit for power great defense But nothing else.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of all prospects are imperfect, but if you could just have one home run teenage Dominican prospect in here [SPEAKER_00]: You would feel so much better about this as a whole and they just botched that every single year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we had to go, I just kind of can't believe that someone who failed so hard, getting let go, resulted in just a house of cards collapsing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Again, bring me somebody who shows results.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I have about this, if one B.

Assagen goes Assagen, Assagen goes somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: One B.

Assagen, the writing is there, dude, that's her, they're warning us.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's already memified.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if he goes somewhere else and he succeeds.

[SPEAKER_01]: then that we will know that everything is just bad for the Yankees on international scouting because that would that would that would be ridiculous if Donnie Rowland's gonna hit in year 16 give me a fucking break um...

speaking of year 16 of the Alex Breggman free agency pursuit uh...

it's what it feels like it's feels like it's been 16 years he i think he wants 16 years yeah he'll be bellangers yeah demand demanding it [SPEAKER_00]: uh...

regman yet will decide off here but i don't know with the mystery team market we we talked earlier it look we just like to be like to watch the retox from afar and it bothers me a little bit a little bit a little bit to see codi bellinger somehow like [SPEAKER_00]: couldn't get a long-term deal with the Cubs last couple years.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Cubs had to basically pay his whole salary to get him to the Yankees last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: All it took was Cody Poetit, and we landed him, and suddenly Cody Belenders a guy who we have to worry about getting seven, eight years on the free-age and market.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like every team is competing for his services now after one good year with the Yankees.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Alex Breggman's market on the other hand was very good last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't an MPP candidate with the Red Sox before he got hurt.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has no suitors.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to wait.

[SPEAKER_00]: Boston's eventually going to get him on a three-year deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, Belinger 7 is totally acceptable to ask for, but Breggman, like the best I could do is three and years going back to Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's nice to release the mystery team pop in.

[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be the Diamondbacks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jared Craves seems worried.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said he's thinking it's less and less likely by the day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's less and less likely.

[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean it's unlikely he goes back to Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: Red Sox stats, who I trust as legitimate Intel says the Diamondbacks have an offer out that approximates Bragman's pre-winter projections, but again, what are those?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that five years?

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, like, I don't think it's six.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's seven years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whether real or fake, Arizona's insider is still seem to think this is maybe a Scott Boris smokescreen, but whether it's legit or not, I think we can all agree that Bragman to the Diamondbacks could tell [SPEAKER_01]: It is, but I don't understand why I'm less the Kittel Martais situation is really, really bad there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why you would sign Alex Breigman and get rid of him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you not just know you could be wild card number one team in the NL.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you add Breigman and maybe get another pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: As long as the Red Sox strike out here, which it seems like they're going to, because again, they don't believe in long-term contracts and apparently long-term is anything four [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that the the best part about this is the Red Sox fan hysteria on social media It's it's every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's ever own world today would be a great day to sign out Exprugman wouldn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean it would if your team decided to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's crazy to me is that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think [SPEAKER_01]: Breigman, I don't, Breigman's not getting the deal he wants.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is at least as clear as can possibly be.

[SPEAKER_01]: The closest he was going to get in my opinion was what the Tigers offered him last year was like 171.5 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why he's going to go to 172 or 175.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then Braggman declined that in favor of $40 million A.V.

[SPEAKER_01]: And hopes of getting probably like 160 or 70 million this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's what all these free agents do when they don't get the $200 plus million like Blake Snow did it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: He signed one year for 30 something million instead of taking the aches $150 million off and then the Dodgers paid him $182 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he made $62 million or whatever it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's different when it comes to position players, teams are much more hesitant to invest in that longer term.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the [SPEAKER_01]: The way that this is getting dragged out is wild because again, we're not hearing about a lot of teams interested in any of these three players.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker as far as I'm concerned.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the Dodgers on a short-term deal or the blue jays on a long-term deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: And haven't heard anything about anybody else there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Braggman is red socks, potentially cubs, potentially fillies, but those two teams are like kind of not really.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the angels should come into play here if they're gonna buy out the Rendone contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is how bad teams stay bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to buy out Rendon and then people are immediately Rosenthal today saying they're just going to end up having no one errand on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's old school nicks and bulls stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, go nicks, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: But the last 20 years has just been like, you listen to Bill Simmons.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always like, this old terrible player who used to be good 12 years ago, be great fit for the nicks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they should just stash rest of Westbrook's money.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, so you just want them to stay shitty.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that it feels like, [SPEAKER_01]: pundits just like want teams like the next and bolts to stay terrible and that's the angle same situations like that'd be great fit for air not a really with the end goal of what getting better or just like housing money yeah the fit the fits here again it's it's hard to pin like the Yankees should be on on here in my opinion if Alex pregnant markets if his market craters and i i don't know what cratering means at this point is it another [SPEAKER_01]: Is it another deal that he just took from the Red Sox?

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that potentially being the case with Kyle Tucker, because nobody wants to invest 10 plus years and 300 plus million in players who have proven to be a tad bit volatile or fragile over the last couple of years.

[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of other teams that can pay him, like the tigers, I think being out on him, all the reports are suggesting they're a lukewarm at best.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's screwing up the market big time for Bragman because that is a contending team that has a, they have a wide open roll at third base that they are filling with roving players at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, now we're fucking good man, like you pissed on us last off season and now you can just go get bent.

[SPEAKER_01]: He ain't going back to the Astros.

[SPEAKER_01]: We know that the Mariners are not paying that much money for somebody to come to a pitcher friendly park and pregnant is only hit in the two most hitter friendly parks in Major League Baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Throughout his entire career.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you just go down the list and it's like, don't know, really, really don't know what they're going to do and it does Alex pregnant view the Diamondbacks as a legitimate destination for like what he wants to do career wise.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, how mysterious is it like are the Diamondbacks willing to spend $175 million dollars?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that why this is a mystery team?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: But every day that a Red Sox fan suffers mentally because of baseball news is a win for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if we can keep this going.

[SPEAKER_01]: Merry Christmas.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy New Year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy Advent.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, that goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's 12 days, you know, it'll go further into January.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy president's day, or no, is January president's day, or is that February?

[SPEAKER_00]: Temporary president's day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's get into February.

[SPEAKER_01]: Happy president's day, happy Martin Luther King, Jr.

Day, we'll keep it going.

[SPEAKER_01]: You guys enjoy and suffer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and for the comments saying naming these long-term deals, those are guys in their 20s who the Red Sox sign.

[SPEAKER_00]: Devours and Crochet and Roman Anthony, and they got rid of Devours because it terrified them.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is coming from Sean McAdden this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: A prominent agent says the Red Sox quote, don't believe in long-term deals.

[SPEAKER_00]: And clearly signing Devours to the long-term deal and then worrying he was going to become a DH ruined everything they built almost.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're still going to be good, but just unnecessary disruption [SPEAKER_00]: ruin their whole twenty twenty five plan of y'all did this.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, so they'll give a long-term deal with guy who's twenty three twenty four twenty five, who's early thirties, but apparently they're terrified of paying any twenty nine thirty thirty one year old on the open market.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to that I say keep being scared like they're not all in the work out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Many of them are going to fail down the line, but you can't survive and thrive if you just won't do it as a blanket statement.

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