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Hey, what's up, everybody, you're watching catching up with the Camdens.

My name is David Gallagher.

I'm Beverly Mitchell, and I'm Mackenzie Rosmond.

And today we are reviewing another episode.

We're really cooking.

We rewatches now.

I'm sure everybody's very excited about that.

We might get through season one, like we might at some.

Point finish one season of the show, and then we'll be less than one tenth done.

And then maybe I'll start to remember the episodes.

Hey, probably, I mean, I mean, there's a chance.

And what episode are we doing?

We're doing episode sixteen.

We're all on the same page.

Did we all.

Watch which is called Everybody.

Brave New World?

Yeah, that's the one.

Okay, we did it, guys, we are all on the same page.

We all just the same episode.

Because we are professional.

Yes, we are professionals.

Thank you Paramount plus for actually having the right episode on the right number.

That is helpful.

Just did that?

Okay, So so we start like like we often do, yep, at breakfast.

Yes, everyone's getting ready for the day.

Wait no, no, no, isn't it before that?

Oh?

What's before that?

Simon and ruth were you're missing like that cute scene where Simon.

Is talking to Oh, you're right, that is that's upstairs.

I thought the opening was Simon and Ruthie, but maybe I was wrong.

No, you know what my notes, my notes say Simon is prepping Ruthie for school, and in my head it was the second time, which is down at breakfast, But no, what.

The first time is upstairs.

You're right, I gotta say, Ruthie comes across as such a thug in this episode.

You know, she's like looking at that little kid to crying for it, and that's not where it ends anyways.

Mac, you are interjection.

Over are particularly uh, you are particularly cute and and uh and and do a really great job in this episode with you.

I feel like you.

Have a lot more personality, Like you have a story here.

Yes, this is one of the first times where you really have kind of like your own little storyline that they're giving you, as opposed to just you having cute little buttons on scenes and stuff.

Yeah, and you do a great job back.

It's it's super cute.

And by the way, also because we all have kids that are in this like stage of life too right now, it was like also really charming to kind of watch this like brother sister, like him trying to prep her, but also like putting on some.

Of his ears of like okay, well you just you can't.

It's all projection as usual.

Yeah, Simon is projecting onto ruth be very dramatically and uh and is being doting parental figure.

He's helicopter that he is.

He is helicopter brother.

Honestly, there's a lot of helicopter helicopter brother ring that goes on.

There's a lot of there's a lot of mirroring with Matt and Mary and Simon and Ruthie in this episode, just different degrees.

Which is also another amazing thing that our show was so good at was having similar kind of concepts, showing at the different stages of life.

Having different storylines mirror each other.

Loading in the middle because that's what she does.

So what what would you consider the A storyline of this episode to be?

Would it be Matt and Mary and the bullying or would it be Lucy's friend.

I think it was Lucy's friend.

I think it was Lucy and Suzanne.

Yeah, so I think your storyline is really the A storyline.

But then the Beast story line is like a dual track where it's like it's Matt and Mary and Simon and Ruthie kind of mirroring this like overprotective brother stick.

But that's what Lucy's doing too, So it's all about like protecting someone that you care about, Like Lucy e gets her dad to do that because she's trying to do the same thing for her friend.

And what we're talking about with Lucy is like she is working, she's very concerned about her best friend, Suzanne, who she went out to dinner with, and when they took her home, they realize that she's kind of walking in a direction that she shouldn't after they've already dropped her off.

At first, she she says, I'm going to go in the back, and she like goes to the back of this nice house and then you guys pull away.

She starts running across the street, right, So, yeah, she's she thinks she's slick, but she she pull it off.

She's totally like seventh even slick.

That's exactly like what's her hair do?

I was?

It was very nineties.

Do we notice that, by the way, your banks were so on point in this episode.

The bangs were were there.

They kind of made me go to bed being like I'm want bangs.

No, they made me going to bed crying.

We got you're.

Not supposed to see my ears.

I know they're out there the glory and they were torrible.

I know, I know, and you're not supposed to see ears.

That is a thing like we had to do the like the talk and the hair in front.

It was a thing with Aaron spelling.

He didn't like they were so you know, they were definitely gotten trouble right.

But I was like, well, Lucy has ears.

I have ears.

I have ears, and I have bangs for days.

Guys like if you want to like yours.

Combination was really working well for you.

And I'm not one to talk right.

My My my bowl cut in these.

Early days was so.

It's so weird because it's not like it's not a bowl, it's like.

It's like a curtain bowl that like frames my.

Head like this, it's so awful.

And Shauna just keeps going like what is like who cut your head?

And I was like just don't just let's just not worry about it.

You might not have to do an entire episode on like reviewing hairstyles through the seasons because we can.

We can literally do an entire episode like I mean, yeah, I mean we can.

Well, and that's just with the three of us.

That's not even talking about like Mary and Matt like they're they're news.

I mean we Oh, that would be like a special two hours.

It would be a two hours.

Reviewing all the haircuts that we had over over the decade.

Maybe we should do nineties two thousand.

You guys, there's this video on YouTube.

It's like I don't know why it is so popular, but it's like a video and like I'm in it and I think I was interviewed by this hair thing and like I had to try to pontificate about hair for like twenty minutes.

But it ended up being like like a really really one of the most watched videos or whatever on YouTube.

It's just Mackenzie talking about her hair for like on and on and on, and I remember doing the interview grand like what more can I say?

And I just kept going and going and being like anyways, so I've already done my part.

But this episode, you Mac were one of the most infamous for your hair.

Yes, like you had the super curls that everyone was obsessed with back then and still to this day apparently.

I just remember you having to sit in the hairchair, and I think they had like a booster seat in there for you so that they could pop you up and then yeah, and.

Then they would just like curl your hair.

And I remember that like all of us had already like cycled through hair and makeup, and Mac is still in the hairchair.

She still has not moved, She's still stuck there.

And I just remember being like, we have the youngest one stuck in the hair chair for the longest amount of time, and who's the fidgetius?

That like is like we're all trying to give you things to like just keep you occupied.

Usually it was food.

I think you got, like you definitely ate in hair and makeup.

Was was the Normia.

Yeah, it was the best.

We always get our breakfast in hair and makeup.

That was so good.

I loved it.

Oh I missed that breakfast.

I mean yeah.

We got game boys too, though the first season.

You guys did.

I didn't get a big game Boy.

No one gave me a game.

You should I had that.

I came with a game Boy.

That was part of my kid.

I always had a game Boy whatever said I was on.

Even to this day, I don't travel without my Nintendo still.

I remember the hair the head of hair detroatment in the first season giving me a game Boy?

Was it just me?

I think that was to keep you still right, Yeah, but I thought it was like all of us Nope, on a gave game Boy.

No, it was just for us young and smack.

It was just you guys were.

I had a great relationship with Nintendo in the early days, both with like extracurricular like promotional stuff that I worked with Nintendo one back then, and also just through Neil who was our prop master.

Neil would often acquire for me early copies of Nintendo games and stuff, and it was like it was the best.

It was the best gig in town.

I was so excited every time.

It was so fun.

If somebody wants to ask, like, what were the benefits of like growing up in the business, Like those are the things that I would say, not getting like an access, Like it wasn't about like red carpets or anything like that.

It was like these silly little like.

I would skip red carpets if I could all the time.

I'm still like that like, if there's a way around it, I'll just go around it.

I don't care.

Should we talk about this episode?

Yeah, what'd you think about?

Uh, let's see at breakfast.

We all then are at breakfast, well.

And then Lucy does her Lucy thing, which is like the huffing because she wants to like, she wants Eric to help.

Oh yeah, you huffed pretty hard at breakfast I did.

This was not my finest episode.

She wants Eric to help, and then he's like, well, you know, it's not that easy, and she's like, just go snooping around, do the thing that you do, you know, all that get in, get.

In the mix.

And he's like, well, that's not exactly what I'm doing, and she's like, yes it is.

And he's like, well, I don't do it unless someone asks me to.

And she's like I'm asking, Like my ask not enough, and then of course she huffs and like yes, it runs off.

Wait, that's at the beginning of the episode, because before she finds out what's going on with the girl.

No, that happens at the beginning, and then I mean, I'm sure it happens again.

She has sometime You guys are suspicious as soon as you drop her off and yeah she.

Does that running yeah yeah, okay, yeah.

The suspicion is set immediately immediately.

I mean she's also a candid.

Lucy is a Camden.

She is just as suspicious and doesn't you know, thinks that things are wrong immediately.

And then we reinforced Simon's uh like prepping Ruthie for school, kind of stepping on mom and Dad's toes to prep her because no one else can do it right, I have to.

Do it well.

Simon is definitely taking on the parental figure.

He's basically like I always like I got this, guy's I got this.

You would think that Simon's kid is going into school for the first time, that's how he's acting.

Well, we've already established that Simon is way more mature than he's the helicopter and he has children with Happy.

I didn't know mature was synonymous with annoying.

Simon will never not you know, be called a deadbeat dad or anything like that.

He's on it, brother, yes whatever.

I think it's very sweet because Simon again like going from like Happy's Valentine when he was like, you know, married to Happy and has kids with Happy and now he's like basically like.

Ariting Ruthie.

It's very cute.

Cute as a word, we can go with cute.

We're going to go with cute.

So then we go into uh, Lucy's school.

So then we're in class with you and your friend.

Yeah, you were in science class.

You guys, you guys make fun of your poor defenseless science teacher was very disappointed.

You very disappointed, Lucy.

That was not Beverly Lucy.

Let's clarify.

And what's to say about that scene?

I mean, it's really just you kind of poking a bit to see if you can figure out what's going on with your friend, but you really don't make any headway there.

And then we leave the science class and we go to dropping off Ruthie at school and we meet your teacher.

I'm a very special teacher.

And your teacher's.

Ran to coach of like you know, the entire nineties and the acting coach.

Yes, I mean Mac, she's everybody's like she's hour on George is also.

Definitely was Georgia's as well, and.

She helps all of us.

Like Don looked like such a she was such a baby in this like, isn't it weird, like as we get older, we look at the people that seemed a lot older to us then and we're like, like when I I was watching it last night and I said it ground, I'm like, you.

Know, like it's going to be weird.

But I'm like Eric and Annie's age watching this, I don't know what.

Well we're there?

I was like, what's happened?

Never there?

Mostly okay, I guess you still get to I feel like you're.

Younger, like maybe they're so be kind.

Quite kind.

I'm I'm mostly there.

Mac, You're almost there.

I'm still grasping the concept of time, okay, Like it's just it's new.

Don't bother, don't bother.

In this scene, it's also very cute because you see all the kids that.

Are like going into preschool and they're all crying.

The look at her face of disgust, like just utter revulsion when she sees that little kid crying is just priceless.

I don't know.

I loved it.

And I love that like Ruthie just like walks in like the boss band, like she is the boss.

I love that you're a tough little kid who's like not not scared, You're more just like like you're worried about if you're going to be bored or not more and like and that reminded me of of of Lily, of my kid, because Lily, uh, we had a similar experience with preschool, where like, you know, there were kids that were upset and there were messages to the parents about how to deal with your kid if they're crying, if they don't want you to leave, and like best practices sort of stuff.

And me and Sean are just kind of looked at each other and we're like, I don't think we got to worry about this, and we didn't.

It was great too.

None of my kids have ever had that problem.

And what's funny is now I do I can completely relate to Annie with her like youngest going to preschool and like kind of having this like letting like it's it's a it's a bittersweet moment, right, Yeah.

And so with Mazie going into she didn't even go to preschool.

She went straight to kindergarten because I dropped the ball on preschool.

But anyway, and so when she went to school, I was like so nervous, like she hasn't even like been with all these kids, Like how is this going to go?

And I was like very I was like, Hutton, you got to walk her in.

You got to walk her to the class, you got to introduce yourself to the teacher.

And he was very sweet and did it all just like Simon would have like Simon would have done.

But on day two, Mayzie comes up to me and she goes, Mom, Hutton doesn't have to walk me to class, and I was like, but he, but he wants to.

He wants to, like he wants to be there for you, he wants to to have this moment with you.

And she's like, he wants to, that's fine, And I was like, I was like, this is like Ruthie.

Like Ruthie's like I got this.

I'm good.

And meanwhile Simon's like, you know, hovering and all protective.

And then of course Annie gives him a kiss and.

And Simon immediately runs in shock and horror and fear.

Which is also such a kid thing.

This.

I love all this because I feel like, especially now that we're parents, like we're in this mix of like where are the boundaries, Like can like what kind of affection can you show?

What is embarrassing?

What is being an embarrassing parent is a fun place to be.

Oh.

I've basically just told my kids that just don't you worry.

I will.

I will be over the top, I will do my best to I will.

I will because I think that it is a growing pain.

I think that it is a life lesson.

You just need to learn how to deal with it, and learn how to deal with me and I am embarrassing.

So just let's go there.

There was a little line I think it was probably about halfway through the episode and Eric and I think they're walking down right after maybe they dropped Ruthie off for the second day, and Eric's like, well, you know, we could always have her stay home, and he's like, forget it.

I did took my nap.

You just went to the very end of the episode.

Was that the end?

You just like literally went to That's like everybody's episode.

So the next thing is uh, Mary checking the boys room because Mary she there's a rumor, yeah, that that this boy that she rejected has has uh has.

Has what he has written something on the wall because he's claiming that he did stuff with Mary and Mary that's untrue.

And I think I actually wrote down what the quote was.

It says you you will always score with Mary Campden because she likes to go one on one very clever and that is slanderous, yes, and scandalous.

And Mary goes into the bathroom and Matt then also comes into the bathroom, which Mary now is hiding in the bathroom stallm.

Well, they kind of made this scene like going into the girl going into the guy's bathroom as a felony.

Well, you're at school, you're not supposed to do that.

I know you're not supposed to, but it seemed like it got really really really like it.

I think it was more like I think they were playing more of like she didn't want to be caught in the bathroom to be embarrassed or to get in trouble.

Like it was just kind of a look over the shoulder, like you know, I hope no one catches me.

It seemed like a really drawn out suspense, like like it was very I don't.

Know, well, I think, to be honest, in that time and place, you weren't supposed to, like the girl you at school, if you got caught in the boys bathroom, you would be in trouble, and you get girl's bathroom, you would be in very big trouble.

Yeah, so, I mean I think that's.

In the bathroom.

By the way, can we talk about this prison bathroom that these kids have at their school and why Like there are all sorts of like dirty messages and phone numbers and doodles on the wall and stuff.

I was like, what what school bathroom?

What school do they go?

What?

What is this school?

Like?

Where is this school?

And what?

Why does this school feel the bathroom of this school feel like such a dangerous place, like criminals and delinquents, Like what the hell's going on?

Well, and then this is also where Mary overhears Matt talking about he went.

To a rave, which, by the way, don't believe you Matt.

Going to a rave, right, yeah, but he went to a ring.

And then Mary also uses this to her advantage when she needs a detention slip signed and she goes to ask Matt, and Matt says like, I'm just happy it's not my detention slip, like this is on you, and she blackmails him.

Which no time at all.

But by the way, the story though, is that, oh, you went to a rave when you said you were at the movies, And I was like, what rave is like?

Two hours long, you went to a rave.

I don't think he's like a real raver.

No, obviously not, but like it just does it does?

That doesn't make who casually goes to a rave?

Like that doesn't make any sense?

You know what I mean?

Like, how do you what is this afternoon RAVEVW went to?

You know what I mean?

But what didn't make sense to me is that like in all of the episodes we've watched before, we've established that Math is like sweet older brother, this martyr who's willing to go to jail for her sister and YadA, YadA, YadA.

But then the first year she gets Mary's like, oh you won't do this for me, we'll kick blackmail.

And I'm like, well, like wait a minute, that didn't exactly seem very fair.

Yeah, it's it's definitely an aggressive play for sure.

I was like, wait a minute, this guy was gonna like go to you know, stood up in court for you like.

Like last week.

So but how easily you forget when you need something else?

I don't want to remember that because well this is siblings, like they just need to.

Know like no, no, They're like we're moving on.

What have you done for me lately.

Exactly what have you done for me today?

I almost went to jail that long ago.

That was yesterday.

We're talking today, that's right.

Yeah.

Oh.

I Also Mary had a funny line too, because she makes Matt sign the permission slip and she says something about like only if you plan on crying to like Matt because she's like becomes very sassy pants, which I thought was funny.

We can't skip over, please, Lucy and Jimmy Moon.

Ventures.

I was trying to skip that.

We're not skipping it.

No, I wanted to.

Are getting your your spy on out in public together and it's super cute.

It was really cute.

Yeah, it is super cute.

And that's it.

I'm done.

I just wanted to mention it.

Okay, now we're moving on.

I love the Simon when you have the conversation with Annie and you just like lay it out there.

You cannot kiss me at school.

You have to make me a promise, you.

Have to let me go.

You almost ruined my life.

I am a desperate man, and life is a jungle like these those were the cliff notes of like, but it.

Was so intense.

My favorite line is something I say something along the lines of if my cheek is on fire, yes, you cannot use your lips to.

Put it out, which actually made me smile.

I went, Matt, that's pretty funny.

Just the whole delivery and the commitment to.

This, the commitment to the bit Israel.

Yeah, it's so good.

So good.

I was nothing if not committed to the bit.

You're always committed to the bit.

That's why we love it, because you're always committed to the bit.

So good.

Next week find Ruthie is.

Basically finished her first day of preschool and this realization that this is funny.

She didn't realize that you had to go back.

Yeah, She's like, I like peanut butter, but I don't.

Want it every day.

Yeah, I don't want to go I wouldn't have signed up every day or so then you say.

And then I think Simon says something about a powder keg, that you have the powder keg like basically going to like explode her world and which is And then when Ruthy hits Simon and they're like, where did you learn this?

And you punched me in the arm and you learn it at school, which this comes right after Eric and Annie have to sign like the no weapons and then I was convinced that this was a school for small criminals.

Okay, we go to his school for tiny criminals.

And I didn't know Glenn Oak had had it in him.

You know.

I thought the scene with Eric and Annie reading over Ruthie's like preschool weapons prohibited weapons list asking for Ruthie's signature was really funny.

And Ruthie has to sign it, that's right.

Yeah, it's so it's so.

Silly, and they're and they're talking about like, was this wasn't like this when you and I were in school.

Yeah, they were saying it wasn't even like this a few years ago, which would be presumably when I went to preschool.

Yeah, so they're they're reminiscing about how it's dangerous it's gotten even over the past few years.

Well, I would say, though an imagine, and it's like, no.

A big thing of like how different school is now and the things that like, the the things that we have to sign, and the how much everything has changed, because I guarantee, like I don't even know if my mom ever signed permission slips when I was like maybe just took you and you just went like you know, I think like nowadays, like the liabilities and it's crazy, like how many things you signed for kids?

Well, I know that like where Lily goes to school, like there's you have to have a list of people who are approved to pick up the kid and that's it.

You don't just get like the bell rings and then kids scatter and you just you find your way home or whatever, like no one cares, which is how it was.

Going to be.

Nineties were literally like you just.

Ring the school is like not my problem, you know you.

Kids were jumping and couldn't even have like speed limits around the school in the nineties.

Speed bumps didn't exist in the nineties.

It was just like natural selection.

If they made it across the street, they made it very dark.

Man, We're never going to get through this epithet.

We've got to We've got to dive in.

So then to skip to the end and apparently that that is true.

It's right?

Did it wasn't save us all?

We were trying to know what First of all, that is not true.

I was trying to give the people what they want, and I'm trying to actually go through the episode.

Can we really have to.

Get to my favorite part?

Of the episode, please okay, which party is?

Thank you?

Okay?

Lucy is Uh is asking Eric.

To help Uh save her friend because she's afraid that her friend might be poor in a city.

First of all, I don't think that that is the concern.

I don't think no.

I think her concern is that she doesn't feel that she lives.

In a safe part of town, and she's concerned about that, not that she's poor.

I don't think Lucy, no, I don't think it's that.

I think it's that making.

Sure because it felt a little a little rude, I am.

I do agree a little bit.

However, I think Lucy's intentions are pure, and she's concerned about why her her friend is hiding something from her, why she's like not just being honest about her situation.

And then what.

We discover that Jimmy Moon is an expert at ACU pressure point defense.

And then you can keeping, I don't know.

You try to kill our dad with ACU pressure point defense that Jimmy Moon has taught you, and it, thank god, it doesn't work.

You're not Jimmy Boon.

Jimmy Moon, that's right, because you're not the expert.

And that's this moment my favorite part of the whole episode.

It's so funny because it's so ridiculous.

It's so ridiculous, but it was so great.

It was such a funny and cute moment, and I thought it was amazing, and I had to highlight it acute pressure defense expert, you know, And my mind immediately went to the unshot scene where Jimmy Moon like convinced you that he was like the ACU pressure Ninja, and you were like, you swooned for it.

You were so you were so like taken by this.

Of course I was, I mean, how sexy is acute puncture defense?

Man?

I would I would steal your man.

I'm gonna have to look.

That up and see what that if that exist is actually real.

ACU pressure point defense.

I literally rewound it to make sure I go was like acute ACU pressure point defense.

Like, I was like, is that the thing.

Is so actually a thing?

No, I'm certain that it's not.

No, I didn't think that it was.

But since you bothered to find out.

I know, I just had to make sure I got the quote right because I was I was convinced that it was like not a real thing, not a real word is you know.

And then we go and we go back to Michael Towner and Mary.

And he's just a douchebag, this kid, that's right, he's just he's just gross.

He's a kid.

It's just jealous that he couldn't hang with Mary.

And Mary finally confronts him and Matt tries to help.

I'm I'm not skipping right.

Well, there's a scene with Eric Uh and Lucy's friend's mom where Eric goes into UH to talk to your friend's mom about their living situation.

We find out that she's not getting any child support.

Yes.

And then crucially, Eric is caught by your friend and she is embarrassed and she runs away, right.

And then and then of course Lucy is very angry at Eric.

Because which of course ruins the whole the whole.

Thing, Yeah, ruins her best friend relationship.

Everything is She's.

Never going to talk to you again because she's been she's been outed.

That's your concern.

Yeah, And I'm never going to talk to Eric again because he just ruined my wife because she's a bit traumatic.

And then Mary and her bully, right, and then my favorite part of the bully scene is that like Mary goes over and she like kind of smack talks him, and they kind of have this like very nineties like yeah at the step up, like what are you going to do about it?

Like uh, stand off or whatever?

And then Mary slams his locker and walks away, and then he says something funny and then and then him and his boys turn around and they all like hug and walk away.

That was like, EO, but what is going on?

That was like the typical nineties like version of like high school, Like I remember.

That in all the shows.

Yeah, so it just I just literally was like, okay.

I feel like actually, Matt shows a considerable amount of restraint for most of this episode.

He spends a long time of it wanting to do something, and you see him and he's just like holding himself together.

And then Mary just keeps saying I've got this, so like let and he lets his He's trusting her.

And then we go to Simon, is that that you're with?

Ruthie?

This is another big nineties uh throwback right here?

Yeah, make you want to you want to take this one?

Which one is this one?

It's it's your it's your big nineties line.

Do you remember did you catch it.

Oh, talk to the hand.

Yes, the ears aren't listening.

Is that my ears are listening?

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And also I remember Do teaching me that actually for this episode, because isn't it like because the ears, there's that's a little bit different than it normally is, isn't it?

Well, I think there's a bad word and the one I remember.

Yeah, yeah, but I do remember going over that with Don.

Well what's the bad word version?

Wait a bit, Well, it's not like a bad bad word, but it is like if you're if you're five, you don't want to say talk to the hand because I don't give.

A damn, But you don't.

Oh, you don't say damn because that's a bad word.

When you're like, yes, I remember, talk to the hand because the ears aren't listening.

But maybe it's because of the episode that that's how I think.

That's probably why I know the hand talk to the hand, because the face don't want to hear it.

That's what it is.

That's the one that I knew about.

That doesn't make sense.

Your face doesn't want to hear it.

Your face doesn't hear anything.

It's your ears.

Good point.

Maybe that's why we changed it because my nose ain't listening, but.

I do have that.

Simon is instantly like kind of jealous because Ruthy has a new best friend Skyler mm hmm.

And she won't shut up about it.

And also Simon is like not happy about it, is jealous, and also very skeptical, like very concerned.

Is concern.

I mean, Ruthie might be having a easier time in preschool than Simon, and that is not okay, all right.

True, that is true?

True, that is true.

I cannot I supposed to go.

That is though I am often outdone by you.

All of the you know, these multiple volumes of advice that he has for her.

Just what is he going to do with that?

He had all these training tactics lined up, That's right.

And then we go into the Matt and Mary fight where we have the sibling fight Man and.

Mary argue, which actually is shot in a interesting way for our show, not too often and actually maybe once in a while.

It's it's not never, because we did have that interrogation kind of face on thing.

An episode or two ago, right, but.

Like in this episode, they they're arguing like between their two bedrooms and they all they shoot it as one thing, kind of going back and forth between Matt's room and Mary's door, and I was like, oh, that's kind of like, that's cool if they shot it like that, you know, as opposed to just like separate scenes like close up, you know, master close up, kind of like standard stuff.

I always am pleasantly surprised when I see them shoot things in more creative interesting.

Also, the science stuff with Lucy and Susanna was actually cool, with everything in the foreground with all.

The cool like yeah, science equipment.

Yeah, but I also love that when Mary says, I have to deal with one one guy's warped ego, I don't need to deal with another.

And then she goes off and it's like Mary's big crying scene, right, kind of like really kind of breaks down, and we see this like our tough our tough girl kind of just has her moment.

Yeah, Mary, Mary's feels vulnerable and an upset for maybe the first time, but for one of the first times certainly where she wants to be alone to cry.

That's definitely not a merry thing.

It's a lucy thing, and we're seeing that.

Yeah, But there also was one where it's like, well, I can't cry if you're crying.

So it's actually the second time that Mary wants.

To be a true yeah.

But even in that crying scene, she gave up crying very quickly.

It was like, well, if two of us are, you're.

Going to cry.

But this is the first chance really to just get all the tears.

But this one's just her.

She wants to be alone.

She's she's genuinely upset and feels kind of vulnerable and such a just does.

A great job.

Jess does a great job.

It's very simple and sensitive and it's good.

And then we move on to where Eric finally talks to Suzanne's dad, and we kind of like get an idea of this dead bee.

And he's like a car salesman.

He's a sleazy car salesman like that tracks and he has He has an interesting statement because he says that he basically he has no he does not care about his ex wife, and his thoughts on his daughter is that she chose her mom's side, so she must live with the consequences.

And he's petty in jupiterle very petty parents.

It's the stereotypical idea of divorce and how how kids become pawns in a divorce, and how parents would.

Use their children.

To like punish the other parent, which obviously the only one that's really getting the.

Shaft is the kids.

So that's where we kind of realize what the situation is with Suzanne is that they were kind of pushed out of the family and are kind of like left on their own.

And then we have our classic dinner scene where everyone's there, but this is like the quietest dinner scene I think we've ever had, where like no one's talking.

Yeah, I don't think I say a thing.

Actually everyone asked to be excused.

Yeah.

Lucy and Eric end up going are going to go for pool and then they confront Matt, asking.

Like why is he not talking to his sister and he just kind of like pushes it out of the rug.

Yeah, And I think Simon doesn't talk.

Nope, because he asks to leave the table and so they all do.

Right.

Basically, that's all he says is can I may I please be excused?

Yeah, And everyone's just upset about their given situation trauma.

Yeah, And then we go to the pool hall, which I think this is the first time that was the.

Actual pool hall set because I.

Was it the pool hall set.

I was looking at it and I was like, I think this is like a real pool hall.

No, No, I first established that.

Well, No, we established that earlier already, did we.

Yeah, we'd established that and see and I think in the pilot we established it he's a pool shark.

Yeah, but I think this is the first time that we're on our set that was on stage, because I yeah, I'm pretty sure because if you.

Got to Christen the pool hall.

I think that because I was looking at the back and otherwise we copied this exact pool hall and built ours based on this one.

My feeling on it, my guess because I don't remember, is that this would be the pool hall that our set.

Was based on.

Yeah, it could be.

Looking at it, it didn't feel you can kind of see our sets for what they are in, you know.

It's I think that's kind of the particularly in the way that that they're lit.

That's it.

And the way locations looked under.

Light is very different than the way sets look under light, and so it was very dark.

Yeah, this felt like a location to me, but I could be wrong.

I wasn't sure.

It just looked very familiar.

I thought the same thing when I watched it.

Yeah, and we have this whole situation where basically Lucy kind of gets in on it and is like, yeah, like dad, let's be a pool shark and let's try to win this money from Suzanne's dad.

Yeah, Lucy throws down the allowance two weeks of allowance, twenty bucks and then you're grounded for gambling and then but also, good job.

Eric of course wins a whole lot of money and brings all the money home to Amma it rain unanny.

She thinks it's like who robbed the BG?

Well, I look at all those ones, baby, adjusted for inflation.

Adjusted for inflation.

We go to the Eric bringing all the cash because he's going to bring it over to Suzanne's mom, and then.

We see the deadbeat dad there.

There's a quick turnaround where all of a sudden, this guy, who like.

I was thinking the same thing, he just needed to be humbled at the pool table.

He really is a.

Huge flip flop.

He just becomes from a complete tool to.

Like, uh well, because he thinks to himself, damn it, I just lost child support money to this guy who's gonna go and give it to my ex wife, right, and then Eric, maybe he's a nice guy, he'll let me give it to her instead.

So he like loses the child support money and then tries to like, uh, he tries to like say, oh, well I figured what you were gonna do with the money, so like, yeah, then I give it to them instead.

You know, we live in the seventh Heaven world, so you know this is all's on Park.

We have to wrap it up in an episode.

Look, you can't start enough that the end of the hour, okay, but now we have to get.

To the good stuff, which is Mary.

Where Mary's talking to her friends.

She's had it with this Michael Towner who's talking smack and they it becomes very clear that Mary's different than the other girls and she's just not gonna she's not gonna take it, and she's she's done.

So she walks into the boy's bathroom after Michael, and she confronts him.

She asks him, well, actually she tells him to mark it off the wall, to like basically graffiti over what he already did, and he doesn't.

He throws the marker And what does she do other than give him what is that called?

Is it like a whirlie I don't know.

Yeah, Mary dunks his head insisty toilet in this prison bathroom.

You you think that that was a clean toilet.

Mac, He didn't deserve a clean toy.

He deserves poop in there.

Listen, gross, okay, gross, all around.

I do not approve of the swirly.

I think this was a terrible tradition the nineties.

That was a real thing that kids did to each other.

Apparently I want no part of it, all right, gross.

Absolutely, it is foul and it is and it is cruel and I cannot get I cannot stand behind it.

And also Matt, Matt proudly stands behind Mary like proud of what she did.

And everyone looks on like, yeah, I.

Mean, I guess this is a tool.

I get that he's a tool, but like, honestly, like, you know how much bacteria is in that toilet?

Like it anyway?

So gross and basically says he doesn't mean to fight for Mary because it's always faster and smarter and whatnot.

So wait, you thought that was horrible.

I thought that was like amazing revenge and perfect.

I mean I.

Thought it was of the time.

It felt like a nineties revenge, but it was not one of the nineties tropes that made.

Me like, go ah, the good old days.

I went, god, you know what I mean in the recipient of a swirly so and I've never really given one, but I like the idea, and I like.

It.

But I'm about this idea of sticking someone's face in the toilet.

Because imagining it like their hair, like a smurf heead of, like soft serve ice cream toilets were all, is just as great.

It's like, I don't even need to see you swirly in real life because the the swirly up here.

I can't.

I can't get behind it.

I can't, I can't.

I can't bring myself to support such savagery.

It is uncivilized and and it is cruel and unusual punishment, and that is illegal in the international courts.

Okay, okay, all.

Right, we should just beat each other up and shoot each other instead.

So so Suzanne apologizes to Lucy because she just admits that she's embarrassed, and Lucy's like, listen, I don't care where you live, like we live in a house that the church owns.

My shirt that you borrowed is not mine.

It was my sister's like, we're not We're not rich by any means.

I just love you just because you are.

I thought this was pretty sweet.

It is a sweet scene.

And then this is probably the scene where I noticed how cute they were.

Oh why thank you?

And then we just realize like how good a big bro Matt is.

And there's a very sweet scene that I absolutely love with Matt and Simon when he has this big bro talk.

Yeah.

Oh, I know, because we meet Skuyler who is doing karate and who actually has a method of probably taking down someone unlike Jimmy Moon.

With his ACU pressure.

I can't even remember what that is.

I think they may have taken a scene out because I vaguely remember being sent home with nunchucks to practice with when we did this episode, like very much, so like from the they had a string between them so they were like kid nunchucks.

But I think there's another that's another episode.

I think that's really it's an episode that we come up later where.

But is it a Ruthie nunchuck or is it Mary and No?

I think there's a I think that might be another episode.

Okay, it's very cute.

With Skyler doing karate and Simon kind of feeling.

Very defeated by the way with a golf club, because you were ready to take this kid out.

I'm ready to fight, yes, a small child with a golf club, with a golf club, And then I see his sweet karate moves and I and I chicken out even though I am armed to the teeth with a golf club.

And I just love that you you have this moment with Matt where you feel like you're yesterday's news and like Ruthy no longer needs you, and you don't know what to do with yourself because like here you are, having always been her.

Number one, You're not going as Simon often is.

It's so cute and it's also very sweet because it is Matt is talking about like having to look after people, and he was how Matt had to look after Mary and how Mary has to look after Lucy, and Simon makes a comment saying, well, thank god I don't have to look after Lucy because I'd have to quit school because she's a full time job.

Time job.

Yeah, thanks Simon.

It was accurate.

And then this kid's older sister shows up and Simon's like, oh, never mind, everything's great, and I answer the door and I'm like, hey, baby, she's got violent.

And like she's the woman he's been waiting for his whole life.

You're just so charming, it's so cute.

I instantly like take her by the hand and go skipping off with her like nothing has happened.

And then we finally come to the comment where Mary's gotten in trouble.

She's gotten to like there was this whole situation where Michael toowner, thinks he's gonna get.

Away with everything.

He doesn't.

The principal like basically puts down the hammer.

Mary decides that she just wants the whole thing to be over.

I love that scene, by the way, with the principal and there.

Yeah talking about sexual harassment and how serious and then the.

Woman who did it.

I just really I loved her whole attitude.

She had just enough attitude but not too much.

She was great.

Well.

I just sat there and thought to myself, administrators, aren't this good at their job?

If only they were?

I thought that was really cool.

But then Annie and Eric are kind of like after this whole thing of like dealing with Mary and the principal's office, Eric's like, you know, maybe Ruthie should not go to school.

And that's when Annie says, I just had my first nap.

She is going back to school.

We finally made it to the moment that Mac tried to skip to.

I understand, like having all three kids now in school and being able to take a nap, like, hell, yeah, the kids are going to school.

Sorry, like this is this is this is the life.

I remember when when it was just.

Lily and I remember when we when you hit the nap era where you now the kids are old enough to kind of be up for the first part of the day and then have controlled nap time and then the second half of the day.

And I used to take naps with Lily.

That's how I would like get hurt to take a nap.

I go, we have to take a nap, and then we'd lay down and I would get a nap too, And it was incredible and I can try again.

Nap though, I can't wait.

How long did that nap era last for you?

Not that long, but but it was but a good little while.

Lily was not a fan of the of napping, so it didn't last as long as I wanted it to.

But you know, we enforced it for a little while because honestly, like, even if they're not into it, it was still very helpful with the energy and the attention and the and you know, the mood of your day to day.

So so we did we did enforce it for a little while.

But but eventually at some point it's not worth the fight.

You know, the third one just gets shuffled around and they don't get them they get don't even get to go to school, that's right, they don't get to go to preschool.

They go straight to get it out.

Do you think if you find if you had like three more kids, do you think the last one would even get to go to school at all?

No, they'd be feral, No they don't.

They just go straight to a feral child in a loincloth.

Now that I have them all in school, it is a game changer, right, it's awesome.

I bet I think we were waiting too because I was like, oh, she's my littlest one.

I don't want to like, I didn't want to give her up just yet.

School's not that important anyways.

So actually, but you know what, she has come home from kindergarten telling me what I have not taught her.

Yet She's like, Mommy, you did not teach me this, and I was like, okay, well I will get on it.

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