I know you are, so you you might remember this house.

We're at my Westchester house by.

L mu Yeah, over by Loyola.

Yeah, yeah, you got it.

You're still there.

You know what I'm going to hold on.

I'm just gonna move this closer to the house hold on one Segon.

I'm going to move this closer to the house.

Okay, this is like typical, typical.

Uh, it's like doing my hair late to set some things.

Never chan.

This is also like thinking to myself, I'm like, well, I'm in my forties now I should be able to look at how ghetto this setup is.

Yeah, you know they're doing work to our house.

We have two dogs too, But the dogs are like, we'll go banana.

So there we go.

Oh very nice.

There we are perfect?

Is that better?

Yes?

Yes, yes, excellent.

I love the backdrop.

I absolutely what's going on with.

You these days?

Where should I start?

So?

I left LA in twenty nineteen and stopped acting, and then went to naturopathic medical school in Toronto and did that for four years, and then came back to Connecticut and met a girl who is a doctor and we got married last August.

Cong congratulations.

Well we should probably intro can you do that?

Hey guys, this is catching up with the Camdens.

I'm Beverly Mitchell, I'm David Gallagher, I'm a Kenzie Rossman.

And we have a very special guest, Adam Lavornia.

You have been literally requested by so many people because everybody's like, where is Robbie?

Where did he go?

Where is he?

So we are happy to find you.

It's in the woods in Connecticut, you.

Are, and it's beautiful and found.

And congratulations on just getting married.

Thank you.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, so it's it's been just a follow up on max question.

Yeah.

So I went to Nuchropathic Medical school and then I met a girl in Connecticut who's from Long Island who's been practicing for like ten years, and we got married, like I said, And now I just passed my first licensing exam.

So to be a naturopathic doctor, a licensed nutropathic doctor, you have to pass licensing exams.

So I passed my biomedical science exam, which was like in my mid forties take exams like this is insane.

When I passed that, and.

Then actually in two weeks, like I told you, I'm going to be in San Diego to take the second licensing exam and son so then like after that, I'll be a licensed naturopathic doctor.

And my wife has a practice here in Connecticut, so I'm going to join the practice and get to work.

Finally, it's been a while.

That's so exciting.

That's cool.

And what a transition from like acting to naturopathic medicine.

And explain because naturally we need the worst.

What what is that?

What does that mean?

So it varies from state to state in the sense that you know your scope of practice changes.

You know in some states, like in California.

Well, here I'll tell you what it is first.

So it is, uh, we use acupuncture, hydrotherapy, botanical medicine.

In the state of Connecticut.

We do a lot of testing.

You do blood work, you do imaging, food sensitivity.

I do a lot of acupuncture personally, and also a lot of counseling.

When I was in Canada, so my fourth year is the clinical year, and so that year you have to see a certain amount of patients.

I saw three hundred patients in Canada.

I did an HIV only shift downtown Toronto, and then I did a mental health shift.

So I mean we deal with everything.

Like my wife, she does oncology, pediatrics, lot of oncology.

She does cases that I wouldn't touch, but yeah, she she really dives in.

So I do a lot of acupuncture.

Botanical medicine.

You can do like in the state of California, I believe that you can't do acupuncture, but you can do injectables like high dose vitamin C B twelve stuff like that.

But like in Connecticut, naturopathic doctors have been recognized as doctors for over one hundred years, which is kind of crazy wow.

And we work hand in hand with a lot of medical doctors and so it's it's pretty integrative.

I don't personally, I don't like the name naturopathic medicine.

Kind of like where I'm from, you say naturopathic medicine, people think you're gonna go, like, you know, take a chunk of you know, bark of a tree, so out heal yourself, right, But it's like integrative medicine, you know.

I mean, I mean, I don't, I don't hate the name.

I just think that people always go, you know, natural pathic medicine, like what is that?

And there's also a lot of people that are natural paths that aren't licensed, so you know you can go and do like you know, weekend and you know, certificate kind of stuff, so you have to be careful kind of like who you go and see.

But yeah, yeah, it was been, it's been.

It's been a crazy ride.

Like I as soon as I entered this school, so listen to that.

So I get there and I know it's four years and I had a mentor here in Connecticut that I was like, you should do this.

And I got there.

And all the kids started talking about this exam and I'm like, called implex, Like what's implex?

And they were like, that's the licensing exam?

So what do you mean?

I said, you graduate the school and you become an atropathic doctor.

Like, no, graduate the school and you got to take these board exams or licensing exams to be an atropathic doctor.

So I already took out.

My student loan, moved to Canada, became a Canadian citizen basically for four years on a student visa.

And then I found out I'm like, wait a second, so all of this can kind of be for naught if you don't pass the exams.

I was like, homie, that's gonna be the hardest thing you've ever done.

Because all the kids in the school too, had like kinesiology backgrounds, biocam background I mean like I was going to set with you guys.

Yeah, going to school on set.

Not like I had the most rigorous I went to boarding school after that, but I didn't do a lot, you know what I mean.

So it was like, oh my god, I better.

So it's been stressful the last five years.

But finally like I'm at the end.

Now, that's so awesome too.

Do that you stepped up to.

It's really cool.

So about this test, like, yeah, if you don't pass it the first time, do you get you get more chances to pass it?

Is there a cool down period?

Yeah?

Yeah yeah, yeah you could take it again.

It's basically it's it's like the bar exam.

Yeah, like in law.

Yeah you can take it.

You could take it.

I think you can take it, But if you don't pass it within like several years, then they kind of re evaluate and you might have to go back.

And yeah, it's not easy.

Yeah, it's it's not easy.

Like like today, I have a book like this that's every condition you could possibly imagine.

I have to know everything, like you know, you know epidemiology, ideology, you know treatments, pharmaceutical treatments, natropathic treatments, botanical medicine, homeopathy, which I don't like.

I don't know if you guys are familiar with homeopathy.

I learned it, not a huge of it, but I have to know those.

So you have to know a lot testing imaging.

Well, how did you hear about it?

Like, how did you first hear about this?

Yeah?

How did that become the path?

So?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, So I mean I always had gut issues.

I would say probably half the naturopathic doctors out there had gut issues or like you know, IBD, endometriosis, you know, these kind of conditions that no one can get to the root of, Like you go to a GI doctor, I have a stomach ache, you know, or I have issues.

It's usually a really.

Long drawn out you know, looking under you know, in dark crevices to find out what's wrong with you.

So that's how I got into it because I was living in LA and I had what's called CIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

And to cure yourself of CEBO you need antibotics.

But the antibiotics are kind of what can cause the cebo.

So it was like this.

I'm like, there's got to be something better than this.

So I came back to Connecticut and saw a naturopathic doctor here talk to him.

He was like, I met my wife.

He went to the school Withstier in Vancouver, and he said, I met my wife there.

You know, because I was saying, you know, I'm interested in this, Like what's it like.

He's like, I met my wife.

He's like, we have a great life.

He's like, there's flexibility.

You could be your own boss.

He's like, honestly, it's like you have to do this.

And I'm like, you think so, and he's like, absolutely, you have to do this.

And so I said, well what about schooling this net?

So he gave me some information.

He just said he goes, go go to any school.

You know what I mean, Go to any school, pass the exams, and then you know.

So I was supposed to go to Bridgeport, Connecticut, where they had a school.

So I go back to LA I had just finished a show called Power.

I did two episodes on this show Power.

It was like the second rated show behind Game of Thrones.

When I did it, in twenty nineteen.

So I'm like, oh, this is going to be great, Like the phone's going to ring.

So I said, you know what I said, I went back to La and I stopped acting and I went to La Valley College on what is it like Woodman in the Valley?

Yeah, and I took all my signs there.

Yeah.

So I went to LAVs so did all my signs pre res and then it was going to Bridgeport.

They called me up in Connecticut.

I was going to live here with my family.

They called me up and they said, listen, we're really sorry, but the program's ending.

Like what do you mean.

They're like, yeah, the school is no.

Longer having this program, we're dropping it.

And I said, well, can you fit like one more person into it?

They go, no, We're going to let these kids graduate out, but there's no more classes.

So I'm like, well, what am I going to do now?

Like I've been doing this for the whole like this is my life.

I'm thirty eight years old, you know.

And so I looked at the next closed to school and it was Toronto, and I was like, well, Toronto, Bridgeport, Connecticut.

I was like, Toronto's not bad.

I've been there before when I was a kid.

I actually did a movie of the Week there when I was younger.

So Toronto great.

So I went to Toronto and then and then the pandemic hit like right in the Yeah, yeah, Toronto's great.

The Canadians are great.

But right six months into the school into the school year, my first year, COVID happened.

And luckily we were able to stay online and like continue on the program.

But I came back here.

I mean, the one thing that I was happy about is I was like, well, I'm kind of glad that I stopped acting when I did, because everything just came to a standstill.

Yeah.

So I mean that's kind of like been been my been my journey.

And I love it, like like I really do.

I I like seeing patients.

I like, you know, just working.

And I said to some of the other day goes, oh, do you think you go back to acting?

And I said, yeah, yeah, I'll definitely go back to acting.

But I just got to a point where I was like, I don't like not being in control of my life, my career and my finances and you know, just like waiting for something to happen.

So I said, you know what, and I didn't want to go and have a boss or you know or anything like that.

And I've always done well in school.

I like science, So it just kind of happened, you know.

And I like, thank god for my parents, because if I didn't have supportive parents, I never would have done this.

They were like, take out a student loan, go like, we got your back.

You know, whatever it is that we can do will help you.

Just go and do.

This is something that you need to do.

And I kind of just went blindly.

So when they started talking about exam when I first got there, I was like, what is this exam all about?

I'm like, I'm just going to graduate school and practice or.

Like another hurdle more than that.

Yeah, yeah, I mean like being a good thing.

It's probably a good thing you didn't know about the exam initially because you might have been too intimidated.

Even I never would have went, yeah, exactly, never would have went.

Probably I would have been like, no, that's too big of a risk.

Or found out, you know that the Bridgeport school was closed.

You might have given up even sooner.

Well that's cool, Well everything crazy, it wrote, yeah, yeah, yeah, And what a transition from being a child actor to a naturopathic doctor.

And I'm assuming you kind of glazed over it, but I'm assuming that you So the mentor that you have in Connecticut was the doctor that you went to go see when you when you got out there, right and then you guys, and I'm assuming that he got to the bottom of the issue that you were having.

Yeah, And it's just like when I sat down and talked to him.

He's a guy from San Diego.

Sam's Josh Levitt and uh super bright and we were just talking and he just listened to me, and it was I just I just made a connection with him, and he made me feel like at that time, you know, my gut was so messed up that it was also affecting you know, and he just made me feel I know it sounds kind of corny, but he made me feel safe.

Yeah, like I got you on this, you know, and not just like here go see you know, and I like, I'll listen.

I am all about allopathic medicine, Like I got sick last year.

I can go into all that, but like I almost it was a bad end, you know, having surgery saved my life.

So I'm not against medical doctors, but sometimes I just don't have the time, you know what, I mean to sit down with you.

And so this guy went into an appointment with him and I stayed in there for like forty five minutes an hour, and I was like, wow, this is like this is really cool because you can kind of just chop it up and get to know somebody because, as you guys know, if you have health issues, you need to know the person.

You know, you need to kind of know them and their constitution, and you need to see the big the big picture, because some people like you can give them medication where they just won't take it.

Yeah, no, but if you don't, if you meet.

Them for thirty seconds, you just assume that they're going to do do everything the right way.

That's not the way it works.

So I just felt it's very hand it so like you had my back and I was yes, yes, well, I.

Think also as a patient, you want to feel seen and understood by your doctor and to for them to like you're not just a name and a number like so to for when you can have a doctor that takes time and like really wants to hear you out and not just be like oh I know, I know, I know, but actually, like hear you is all that you can ask for.

And I think nowadays our medical community is so taxed, so like when when those doctors can take those extra time and you can be an advocate for yourself is so critically important, and.

You know what, you know what, honestly, I do a lot of I'm like an intermediary.

So people will come to me and just like listen on meeting with this cardiologist, on meeting with this you know, this specialist, that specialist, and I'll kind of just say, well, listen, this is most likely what they're going to say.

These are your options.

And so it's kind of just like quarterbacking sometimes because you know, all you guys know, you go into an appointment, sometimes a doctor's appointment, especially people that are older.

You come out of the appoinment.

They come out of the appointment, I'll say to my mom, I'll say, well, you know, what did the doctor say?

I don't know?

Yes, what are they saying?

Like, I don't know?

I have to go back in two months.

And it's not that, you know, the doctor didn't explain to them what was going on, but it's so brief and people are in there and they're just you know they're heightened and you know they don't.

So sometimes it's nice just to have someone that you can check in with and be like, so wait, because we do a bunch of research.

I mean, naturopathic doctors are very well schooled.

I will say that, you know, I.

Was do you a naturopathic doctor saved my life?

Actually a few years ago, yep, because I went to see a naturopathic doctor.

She ran my blood work and she said, she looked at my blood YEP, and she said, and she goes, listen, I'm not saying you have colon cancer, but I'm saying that your blood work is showing is very similar to most of the patients that I see that I have colon cancer.

I said, all right.

I went straight to the gastro.

I went and I demanded, I said, I need a colonoscopy.

He's like, nah, you don't need a colonoscopy.

I said, yes, I need a colonoscopy.

I need to check this out.

I've had got issues my whole life.

I just had blood work done by a nature path and she said, you know, it looks similar to someone with colon cancer.

And he's like that, I do not buy that I'm not going to give you.

And I said, listen, how many twenty somethings do you have coming in here demanding a colonoscopy?

And I was like, and.

I finally I knew what the words were that I needed to say to get one, which was I say, I have blood.

In my stool.

And they were like, all right, never mind, we'll order it up right now.

And there it was, and I got my colonoscopy.

Sure enough, I had the biggest pre cancer's pull up that that he had ever seen.

I was also, by the way, when I was coming out of recovery, I ran into brad Our old a d we were both coming out of recovery from colonoscopes, had sedar sign I.

But he did say, he goes, Honestly, you were right.

If we did.

Not have this colenoscopy and we did not find it, that would have turned into cancer.

And you one.

And and so I now get them regularly.

But it was again, it was something that there was no rhyme or reason I shouldn't have I shouldn't have gone in for it, but yet having that information for my natural path was the reason why I found it.

Why really, and you want to know something funny when you said that the same exact thing.

I had a colonoscopy five six, seven years ago, I had pre cancerous polyps.

Yep, they were small, but mine was mass It was also one of the thing about naturalafic medicine.

I was like, really, yeah, mine was massive.

So if they didn't catch that.

He said, and he literally was like, he's like, you looked like an eighty year old man.

Like this was like, He's like, I have never seen something in someone so young, which actually a reminder to me I need to go get another kulenoscopy.

Fun fact, we were talked about knosophies first thing this morning to.

Yeah, I mean were I also, by the way, yeah, no one thought that they were going to be listening to catching up with the Camdens.

But hey, ps, if you're listening to this and you have a history, go get go, get it checked out, because it's happening.

More and more.

Join us next week I'm catching up and you can get.

And also, by the way, never expected I do have to say this, this is not where I expected your path to lead from being like a child actor to a naturopathic doctor, especially like knowing you when way back in the day.

And also we.

Were doing research on you, Adam did you I did not know this, but you and I were in the same project prior to Seventh peven and Sinatra Sinatra.

You were in that.

I was in that.

I was little Nancy really and you were Frankie.

A little Frankie squear toggy.

How funny I was.

We were looking up your IMDb because as one does, and uh, I was like, wait, no, he was in Sinatra.

I was in Sinatra and I looked it up.

I was like, maybe it was a different Sinatra.

Nope, same Sinatra.

We were just different periods, did not work together.

But in all these years that I've known you, I did not know that we were both in that movie together.

Well, don't they have on IMDb?

I remember back in the day they used to have like how you were, you know, connected connected.

To certain people?

Yes, like if you worked with someone who did hair and makeup on something.

But I don't remember ever seeing that.

So maybe a just seventh peven.

Well, I think it's because Seventh Heaven just bypassed it because it was like we had done I mean what you did.

You did a lot of episodes, you were there for a long time with us.

Yeah, years you were with us?

Yeah yeah.

What was that experience for you coming on and being with us crazy kids?

Yeah?

What was your story coming into to enter the crazy world we had going on in Santa Monica?

Well, I was, I did.

I was in album for Christmas with Jesse and we started dating.

And then she said to me, I went to Boston College and I was a freshman there and I remember getting a phone call like a few weeks into school and she said, would you be interested in coming on the show as my boyfriend?

You know Vicky Hoff?

Yeah, Vicky Huff, yeah, casting, Yeah, yep, you're right.

Yeah.

So she said that Vicky Hoff came to her and said, can't believe I got that name.

She came to her and said, listen, you know, we're gonna write a boyfriend on the show for you.

Is there anyone that you had in mind?

And so she said like, well, my boyfriend, you know, would be And so she's like, well, you know, would he do it?

And she's like, I don't know, he's in school.

Ask So it was like a whole thing with representation and like weird stuff like that.

But anyway, they we worked it out so I could do seven episodes, stay in school, and they would get a tutor for me on set and send my work back and forth so I wouldn't have to, like, you know, drop school.

And then I really didn't know anything about the show because I was at boarding school playing hockey, and then I was at BC and so I didn't watch any TV.

The only thing I watched was Sports Center and movies.

So I didn't know anything about the show.

And then when I came on to the show, it was like everyone was you know, you guys had already been on for I don't know, like I came on in ninety nine.

Yeah, yeah, three years, three three.

Years, yeah, And so I mean it was but it was like a family, you know what I mean, Like we were all very in our formidable years.

I mean, I was telling a story the other day when Bev you told me that we'd be doing this.

I remember, and I looked on the on the Instagram page and I saw I can't think of her name right now, but she had light blue eyes, and she worked with us on set, and she kind of just like wore a lot of hats.

But I remember she used to hold Max feet.

Down Don Yes, yeah, Don Don.

Don Don yeah yeah, and was she and then did I see Don and Susie Silerno.

Susie came on a couple of weeks ago.

Her episode went up.

Yeah, Susie and Cheryl Jesse, Jesse and Bebv's teacher too.

Yeah.

Oh that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Well, Susie Selerno was my uh set teacher on like I think it was movie I did Monkey Trouble and I don't know if you remember, but she was obsessed with tortoises.

We remember all.

Susie at one point or another, like pretty much was a tea sure for.

All of Hollywood.

Is one of my teachers on another project.

She was one of your teachers.

She dated like, I mean, Susie.

Is one of the true OG studio teachers in the industry.

She's she's been forever.

Yeah, I mean, you name it, anybody.

And she's a beautiful person and a wonderful teacher.

I mean, Susie got me to sc and I don't know how else I would have I would have done it so.

And she still loves her tortoises and she still.

Has hasn't changed, man, Susie is still serio people, everything's the same.

She looked.

She looked great too.

I remember her mother died and I remember I met her mother and while we were on seventh seven, I think, and she asked me if I would speak at her mother's funeral, and I remember I went, and I don't remember what I what I said.

I think she might have given me a poem or something.

And I think it was that Hollywood Memorial cemetery.

It was one in the city kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of stories.

But anyway, back to like coming onto the set, I mean it was, yeah, it was.

It was.

It was a wild ride.

I mean we were you know, everyone was a bit, but we were young, you know.

I mean I always tell people, I'm like, you want to you want a reality show, I go take someone who's from a small town, even though I had acted, I was like, you know, in boarding school and very secluded.

I said, take an eighteen year old kid, move him to California, put him on a hit TV show, give him a ton of money, have no guidance or anyone really around to watch, and then see what happens, like just you know what I mean.

So like you guys probably saw me at my worst.

You know, definitely saw me at my worst.

So I apologize for that, but no apologies.

I saw Barry in two thousand and seven and I hadn't seen I hadn't seen you guys, hadn't seen anyone.

And I was doing a w B show.

It didn't get picked up at davidy Kelly show, and I saw him in an upfront and he's like across the room and I look at him and he looks me and he goes, He goes, California, You're alive.

Someone like pulling.

I gotta go, oh man, that's funny in typical Berry fashion.

That is Yeah, that sounds like Barry yeah with THEE.

Did he see you?

Did you guys saw him?

Yes?

I know.

He told us afterwards that he got to see you.

But we were all flying out.

Wait you were Oh that's right, that's right, that's right, because.

We were all there for we were.

All flying out when you guys were all going to hang out.

And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're seeing it.

Well this is what happened.

Yeah, so listen, So this is what happens.

So my cousin Alyssa Milano and.

Allah, Yeah, of course so Allah.

Was like, listen, Alyssa is coming to Hartford, you know, come and hang out, Come have dinner with us.

So I said, yeah.

So I went to dinner and as soon as I come to the table, there's Barry and a lot.

Didn't tell Barry and didn't tell me.

So it was like it was a surprise.

But it was great, and that's awesome.

It was it was like it was like I hadn't missed a beat with him.

I think with you guys too.

I mean it's like, you know, you grow up together.

That was one of the first times we had seen each other in a long time, and it also felt the same.

Yeah.

I mean when we when we did nineties Con in Hartford, we hadn't hung out.

I mean I hadn't seen any of you guys in a decade.

Yeah, I know, I still had everybody's numbers, So I hold everybody up.

How long have you been doing how long have you been doing this the podcast?

About a year?

Yeah, just over a year.

Yeah, because once I got every once I finally was able to manage to get everybody together.

For it was con nineties Con that we decided that we were going to.

Really do this.

I think it was, yeah, because not only when was it fun for us all to be together, but it was also the.

For us to actually.

Acknowledge and see the fans wanting and and being.

So excited to see us all together.

We're like, oh, well, maybe it is something that we should explore.

Maybe the fans do want to kind of have us reconnect.

And selfishly, it's been wonderful for us because it's been fun to I mean, we're also remembering stories that we'd forgotten.

Like, yeah, we've been going through some of the early days of the episodes of the show, and it's like, I don't know, it's like waking up from a coma or something, you know, like we're seeing it and it's and we're going, oh, yeah, I can't remember this.

I remember that, like, you know, it's all stuff that I hadn't thought about in so long, you know.

I mean, I remember, well, how.

Old were you when you guys started?

Room was so young.

We started ninety six, So I was fifteen.

Six, Yeah, I was eleven.

Yeah, I mean and Adam, I remember, I think it was I think it was nineteen.

It was nineteen nineteen.

It was New Year's Eve, so on the verge of nineteen ninety nine going to two thousand.

Yeah, okay, we were in New York.

We were and I came with Jesse, and I think that was like, yeah, that was a that was interesting and fun and I just remember being like, oh my god, I'm like, I'm kind of an adult's ish pretending to be and this is New York City and this was so big and it was Yeah, we definitely had some fun times.

And the computers are gonna shut down at midnight.

I go to the heart of it all, I'm gonna go for these.

You know.

I didn't say I had the best idea.

I will say that it probably was Jesse's idea to go, and I was just like, oh go, yeah sure, And I'm pretty sure I brought my mom, so like, you know, it's.

Still totally wasn't optional.

Uh No, I think I probably brought her because I I was you know, I wanted to act like I was an adult but yet not.

Okay, yeah, well so for most people it would have been not optional part, but yeah, that was like, please mom, chopper on my trip, I might get into trouble and eat pot butter.

First of all, I was much older when I had the pot butter.

I was in my mid twenties and that was my wild side, So do.

Not take away older.

But you know she kept you.

From staying take away my wild side.

Max making fun of me because I was a little too straight and narrow and a little uptight, and I'm still working on it.

Ish, Well, you're probably like more type A.

Well, I think I've always been type A, thank god, because we need someone like that.

But like, but my wife is type A, like very type A and I have little but like we balance each other out.

So I just think it's one of those things where you got to embrace who you are and just to knock off the things that you find annoying about yourself.

That's true.

Yeah, we're appreciative of all.

Because we're not changing that much.

That's right, very true.

Do you have any funny other funny memories of like, uh, our days on set.

I mean it's funny because we don't remember any storylines, but we remember the things that happened behind this.

A lot of burgundy.

I remember for some reason, I recall seeing you like always in some burgundyish shirt.

I don't know you were always in that.

He was always in the jewel tone.

I remember, yeah, always put you in.

Yes, I just told him.

I was like, whatever you want to put me in.

I'm like, I'm fine.

I was like the opposite of Keegan.

I was like.

Wardrobe because I saw him at nineties Con.

Yeah, that was hilarious.

No.

I remember having scenes with Mac all the time and I really didn't know, like what was going on.

I was like wait, I'm like, what are we doing right now?

And I'm like, why am I living in her bedroom?

They'd be like Tony more Dent, you would be like, don't worry about it.

You know what Tony more Dent that used to say.

And I never understood this.

Do you guys remember this?

Do you remember Tony more Dent that used to say speed is the better half of valor?

Remember that?

Yeah?

I do.

And it was just like I don't know what it meant.

It just was like this, speak to dudes, let's get let's get.

To work and let's get it done.

Yeah, just get to where it was and say the words and go to the mark and we're getting through it.

We could do this.

I also felt that Tony was always like he would encourage us not to overthink, so I think when he would say speed is the better part of Valor was like, don't think too much, don't put too much head behind, and just do it.

Just get it done.

And in that sometimes was the magic because we couldn't we couldn't have to, we couldn't go back, you know.

And I think that's the other thing, is like we didn't have a lot of takes, like you know, you'd get it, like if you did three takes.

That was film.

Yeah, well yeah, before we all.

Want the end of the show.

Was it digital eventually at the very India, Yeah, but for most of our tenure were film.

Yeah.

I remember just the sound of like the cases of films snapping open and closed, you know, he's like slamming shut and like all of those sliding, scuffing sounds of that.

I also remember all the altoids in the camera.

Do you remember all the like the.

Or the like for the messages we would anyone, Yeah, the graffiti on the side of the you know.

After lunch kisses Yeah, oh god, I had so many of those.

We were always kissing somebody I don't know who were kissing that episode, that's true.

Yeah, And it was always some and it was always awkward.

The kisses were always again on like day one, being like, hi, nice to meet you, get in my face, which just want to get the hard part out of the way, man to hear.

A funny story that I've never there's a funny story that I've never told.

Like, you know, I was working with the girl joy and Riquez.

Well, I hadn't even worked with her yet, but Brenda was like, this, we cast this singer.

She's like the Madonna of no offense, like Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, wherever she was from originally right, she was like really popular.

So I said, oh great, you know, but she's never acted before, so I said, oh okay.

So she's like just kind of like you know, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't yeah, I got it.

So she comes on set.

I meet her, and of course that day there's a kissing scene and she's never been on camera before, she's never acted.

It's a kissing scene the first day, and of course I'm like like, don't worry, I got this.

It'll be fine, you know.

And she comes and she goes, do you mind talking to my boyfriend?

She comes into my trailer, she goes, do you mind talking to my boyfriend and just letting him know that this is cool.

I said, I said, what's his name?

She goes Derek.

I said, Derek, what's up?

Man?

He's like, hey, in my girlfriend you know, she has an actor before, and she's a bit nervous, saying, you guys have a kissing seeing and I'm like, you know, not rushing him, but I'm like, listen, man, like, don't worry about it.

And doing this for a long time, I go, this is this is not anything like, don't don't worry about it.

It's all good.

And I'm like yeah, and he's like, well listen.

He's like if I'm out there, you know, at some point, you know, we should hang out.

And I was like, yeah, okay, man, sounds good.

I handed the phone backer and she's like yeah.

She's like, I really hope he does well because then he'll be out here.

I'm like, what do you mean and she's like, well, if his team does well, he's going to be in California here playing and I go what does he do?

And she goes, he plays baseball.

I'm like, for who?

She goes the Yankees.

I'm like, and I'm a huge Yankee.

I was like, wait a second, that was And I forgot about that story for years and I'm like, years later, I'm like, wait, did that actually really?

Do you know what happens sometimes?

I don't know if you guys are have do you ever have these things that happen, especially in Hollywood?

And then like years later you think about it and you're like, did that really happen?

You know, my making that up because it's like so outlet.

Sounds like a fake story.

Yeah, that's crazy exactly.

Yeah, I mean it was, yeah, yeah it was.

And then one other story that that I'll tell you guys is Richard Lewis just died.

Remember when Richard Lewis show him.

Yeah, So I was going through a few things and he came up to me at craft Service.

Remember Craft Service was right there.

Oh yeah, it was the right there on the left.

So I'm standing there and he comes up with me.

He's like, Adam listening.

I know you've been kind of having a hard time.

Here's my book.

Take a look at it, you know.

And I forget the title of it, but it was his issue with substances and kind of above this net.

So he's like, and I signed it for you, So I, oh, thank you, Richard, thank you so much.

And I looked at the book.

I opened it up, I looked at the inside Richard Lewis, and I closed back up and looking at it.

He's looking at me and he goes, goes give it back, and he goes, you're not going to read that.

He took it back.

He was right.

I never yeah, I know, it was like but like perfect, perfect comedic timing.

And I love watching Curb, you know what I mean.

I yeah, he he was just he was such he was a genius and one of the kindest, like most genuine.

Men, like he was just he was such a such an awesome guy.

Like I think also when he looked at you, it felt like you hit one of his attention.

Absolutely, yeah, he looked like he well he also knew all your deep dark secrets.

Like he would look at he would.

Look and he's like, yeah, I got you.

He was one of those people who you couldn't.

Hide from him.

Yes, exactly.

Oh my gosh, these stories.

Are sad to see him go.

But yeah, absolutely, man, how is Catherine doing?

Has anyone seen.

A couple of times Catherine's doing good, She's great, and she comes and when she is done.

She is like a tornado.

She's still a whirlwind.

She comes in and comes out and you're like our favorite.

It's like she comes and she goes, well, I'm done talking by and just will leave.

We're like we love you, Catherine, Like she's just gone.

She needs to go pick up Katie.

She still has to pick up.

When we were on set, it was always she had to go pick up her mom.

It was always her mom and.

Her daughter.

Y.

Yeah, oh that's yeah.

She's so she's oh yeah, right right, right, right, right right.

She's so sweet.

I remember Katherine used to coming to me all the time.

She was like listen because I think Katherine went to Boston College.

I think Catherine did go to Boston College where I went.

And she always to say to me, She's like, Adam, She's like, leave this acting game behind.

Go to school.

She's like, get out as quick as you can.

I'm enjoying this and I'm making a lot of money.

I'm not going anywhere right now.

But she was she was just yeah.

I mean everyone was great.

I mean the show was.

We couldn't have asked for nicer people, you know, the only thing that I wish honestly, was that we had more interaction maybe with some other productions.

You know, we were like very secluded.

But that also kind of was it had its plus and it's had it's it had its minuses.

But I think they turned that into something else over there, an exposition.

It's a post house.

Yeah, we went back and visited the old the old stage.

It's now a big post production house.

Nice.

It's all renovated and they've they've changed it all around.

There's a big metro station that runs through our old parking are multiple.

Floors, so you know, theiling isn't quite as hard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a trip.

Man.

They have a fireplace.

See, that's what I was in.

Really, there's a fireplace, you know, the little thing.

It felt very homey.

Yeah, we were sitting in there.

We were sitting in there like in their little like I don't know, they're they're like snack like kind of bar room that they have for for the post production house where where people are having lunch and taking breaks and stuff.

And we're sitting there by the fireplace and we're looking around and we're like, this was the pool hall set, Like it was right there on the on the back of B stage, you know, on the office side of B stage, and that they have that turned into a little like cafeteria kind of thing.

Yeah, it's it's it's a trick.

The old ramp is gone.

Like all the back our backlight area where our trailers were as all demoed out, and and like I said, there's a big metro station where the old tracks went through back to the backyard set that's gone.

Yeah, a metro station.

Imagine that, a metro.

Station, a working train in LA can't believe it.

I just wanted it to stay exactly the same, you know.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping that it would just be a derelict Seventh Heaven set and we could like sneak onto that, you know.

But but no, see some old sides in the Yeah.

We'd find them dusty old gems in the walls like.

Santa Monica real estate it might have been.

But remember also all big gum, like it was mostly Catherine's gum that was.

Like stuck over the back of it was everywhere, under.

Everywhere those kitchen counter that island man was just like, don't don't grab it, don't ever.

Grab it, don't ever touch them like we Uh.

I liked our kitchen.

The kitchen I really liked.

I thought like that was a night I had a good vibe.

In the kitchen.

That was probably our most iconic set honestly.

Most used, Yeah for sure, because everything kind of happened in that kitchen.

Yeah.

That and like I love coming.

Yeah Yeah, those were our two spots that I think really like, you know, kind of live rent free.

But I always just remember when we all when we all had to come down and it was like we were all scrunched in that tiny corner like trying.

To yeah up the stairs.

Depending on what Mac had for lunch.

Because we you know, uh, that was always that Sorry, David.

It was like talking about Max farts.

They love re litigating the parts well because it was so much of what what I remember of being on set.

Let go, You're going to be talking to Toren and he's going to bring it off.

Hu.

Nothing's changed, Yeah has changed.

I know, But isn't it crazy.

It's like I have not spoken to you in so long, and when I was like so excited when you responded, I was like, yay, we can reconnected.

It's uh, it's so much.

A DMS like people are like you should go on the show, you know, and it keeps and then like when you texted me, I was like, I'm like, oh, this is very cool.

I was like that made me feel it was really nice to hear from you.

Oh, well, we are so happy that you came on.

And honestly, like, of course, it was just about my matter of time.

We're just trying to.

Get all the and it's honestly the best part of doing this is kind of like getting to kind of reconnect with everyone that we haven't seen in so long.

Man, you know, it makes you really happy.

Yes, give us one.

I thought of this.

I yeah, I think you guys could use this.

It's been a while.

Barry and I were going to the club.

It was like a Saturday night and we used to I used to call him the g Man, and so Gallagher wanted to come, and so we were like all right, you know, well I don't.

Know how old you were.

You were it was fine, you can drive, so anyway, So so so we were we were there and I don't know if I don't know back then if we were even text messaging, phone call or something, but anyway, like Barry was like, oh, David's here, so we kind of like come through the side and like peek our head out to make sure that he gets in, you know, tell the person to front door at seven.

So Gallagher rolls up in a yeah, low plymouth proudly.

We were all we were all dressed like idiots, but probably like a Sean John Valor, you know what I mean, Like his size is too big, just like he's the coolest dude in the world.

And he looked great.

But I remember thinking like, oh, he's coming up right now.

We got like this sixteen year old.

Kid that's roll from the problem was quiet at all, but I was like, I was like Barry.

I'm like, Barry, you're going you go and take care of it.

And you did that though.

I love that you did that.

What's that?

Did I make it in?

Yeah?

Yeah, baby, like no, no to go home?

Oh man.

It was funny.

It was it was like it's like Joseph's on a Monday night, like one of those.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, one of those things.

Well back in the day, because that's what I mean.

I thank God for no social media.

Yeah know, we we we were What a time?

What a time?

What's funny?

Is it we imagine?

Oh no, I can't imagine we would have gotten.

Into if all of us were on the show and we had social media.

Think of that, that would be I don't know, I don't know what, but it would have been.

It would have changed our experience so much.

I think would have been.

I mean, I think, yeah, I can't even I mean I was already so wound tight, like if I thought that I was being watched at all periods and I would have never left my house.

The pictures I would have put on the internet.

I didn't mean to be on the internet or bad enough, but like if I had my.

God we're talking about.

I mean, we we know what you intentionally put on, didn't you?

I know?

But I'm saying, what if you were unintentionally God to help us?

Oh boy?

I mean, didn't you just started TikTok your what's your TikTok name?

We didn't get the good one we wanted.

But this is what.

I'm dealing with.

Hasn't changed.

She hasn't, nor do we want her to change.

We want her to be exactly the same, because that's why are.

You guys in l A.

Are you in California?

Yeah?

At the moment.

Yeah, yeah, we we fly in for this, we fly into.

I'm the only one who's still based out.

Here though I'm not far from you though.

Are you closest to you?

Yeah, because Max and Marrilyn on the.

West, Oh you are.

Yeah, I've been there.

Are you still riding horses?

Mac?

Yeah, that's why I'm there.

Actually we have this back here is a seven stall horse barn.

I guess yeah, I was.

When I saw your background, like like no horses, Yeah.

Do you have?

I mean, is it far you're on?

Like the is a field, like it's it's seven acres, there's no like farm land, but we have, you know, like a big garden and like there's actually a horse corral over there and it's like rigged with like I guess you can have the electrical fence to keep them in.

So it's we're actually selling the property, so hopefully someone that has horses.

Yeah, because actually I'll break this news to you.

I haven't told anybody this, but I'm having a baby.

Congratulationslation, welcome to the Yeah, thank you.

Yeah yeah right, Yeah, we just found out the other day.

So, uh so actually she got pregnant, Like we weren't planning on it.

We were talking about it, we weren't planning on it.

She wound up getting pregnant and then miscarried like on Christmas, and so that was like, yeah, but you know, it's like one of those things where I didn't know, like it's really common.

Yeah, and then right after that she got pregnant.

But we were of course like really careful the second time, because at first you're so excited you're telling people, and then you have to go for the process being like you know, but yeah, so we didn't say anything, and then she just had the nip test of their day, the blood test, and it came back that it was going to be a boy too.

So excited.

Congratulations, it's awesome.

Thank you.

That is a whole nother adventure.

Enjoy I know, I'm at forty four.

I'm like, okay, I'm ready.

You know.

It's it's such It's the job that is the most fulfilling, the most exhausting.

But it truly is my favorite job, one hundred percent.

But I also still, at the same time don't feel like I'm old enough to be an adult for children and mine are twelve, ten and five.

Honestly, the three of you all look the same if you put a wig on David.

You guys know.

Well a guy never washed his face, And al ways I would be like, listen, like, just wash your face, put more makeup on.

Sure.

I used to just leave.

I would just leave.

Set makeup too, you know.

I was always in a rush to get out of it.

I used to it off.

Yeah, you want to just I remember what We'd be on set and they would come and they put makeup on Fiona and put makeup on the Sun.

And then as soon as she would leave, I would go into it because I would go into the trailer and I would wipe it off because.

I didn't like the way it looked, you know, like.

Yeah, it was heavy sometimes.

Yeah, and then when we got sprayed and stuff, yep, that's right.

So I'd wipe it off.

But then i'd watch the episode like next week, and I'd be like, why am I so shiny?

Because they didn't know that I was wiping off like an idiot.

I do remember, though, you and Barry were always like as soon as you were done, you were in the trailer like washing.

Your faces off, and you guys, I do I actually remember them giving you like being like.

David I was like, no, I'm out of here by yes, the white they give you the little pads.

Yet I was like, I'm going home by Yeah.

You didn't even care.

You're like out yeap.

What do you What dogs do you have?

I have a well, we have an English Cocker Spaniel and then a sixteen year old pit bull who's still kicking sixteen year old pit named Bo.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

If they were here right now, they would be going.

Like That's one of the reasons why I couldn't do it in the house either.

Like they'd be going, they'd want to be at the start.

I never had dogs, and then I got a pug, and I'm like, I couldn't live without a dog anymore.

When did you get the you got a pug?

I got a pug, oh years ago, but that was my first dog, probably two thousand and five.

Yeah, I didn't grow up with I didn't grow like honestly, I was always traveling when I was a kid, you know, doing this and doing that and there there, blah blah.

So I never had like I didn't realize how big of a pain in that.

You know what they are, though, Like if you have to travel now, I don't realize it, and yeah's just because before with the pug, I go, but these are two, you know, the dog.

One dog is seventy pounds, of the ones like forty five.

So they're decent sized dogs.

And the other day I was like, well, we should go here on the weekend, just do like a little staycation.

She's like, what do we do with the dogs?

And I'm like, oh, yeah, you think I remember, you know what I mean, Like, I've never had that problem, Like I think I went through a three month stretch and I was pregnant with my kid.

It was the only three months of my life.

I haven't had a dog.

We haven't had a dog for a while.

And the kids want a dog and I just keep pointing to their little sister and I'm like that, but you yet, you've got a little sister.

You don't.

We don't.

We can't have a dog.

A complex Mazel.

I know that she's the family pet.

I mean, Maze might bite you.

Maze might bite you if you piss her off.

I mean, you know between the stories about her schooling and now you were.

Mac, do not question until you have three children.

I am doing the best I can.

I am an only so I am.

I am an only child.

I did not have a lot of, you know, things to go off of, and my examples were you guys.

So let's just talk about it.

I know, my.

Goodness, you came out pretty good, bad for for an only child.

Thank you.

How old are kids?

Twelve?

Ten?

Five?

Yeah?

And uh and very active.

So we've got a lot of soccer.

My son's also playing hockey.

I didn't know the commitment that one is.

That's a big one.

Oh my god, yeap.

Oh yeah.

So and travel hockey, travel soccer, travel futsal so and footsal for all of you who don't know, is indoor soccer, because if you don't get enough outdoor soccer, there's indoor soccer.

Yeah.

I'm just trying to into the existing hobbies of.

Motorcycle.

Oh no, you cannot get she's three, but she can't have a motorcycle.

Obviously the balance bike comes first.

I mean, but the balance bike leading into the motorcycle.

That's what she thinks.

Instagram, she sees pictures of like little kids and she's like, did we buy my is my motorcycle coming?

I got red.

I do have to say that Masl has she's five and she taught herself how to ride her bike because she was just she gave up on us taking the time to teach her, so she knows how to do it herself.

And it was right.

I didn't have to break my back because that's you guys.

Haven't breaking your back to try to teach your kid how to ride a bike.

No, she just no, she just figured it out.

She just figured out her balance and just went down the hill and just started pedaling.

She's just good.

How would you break your back when you're trying to do this to trying to hold them upright because they can't figure.

Out their motorhood Explain this to people.

You put your kid in a hoodie, you grab him by the hood and you go for a little jog.

That's it, jog with him holding them by the hoodie, and if the bike goes out, you got them all right.

So that's the trick.

I salt Lily to ride a bike in forty five minutes.

Note it, trust meself like that David's bike riding.

Oh man, we did it in one day of forty five minutes at the park.

Really rides a bike like a chance.

How old are your kids?

Seven and six?

Hold your kids.

Yeah, I got two girls.

Oh wow, you got it, you got it.

Yeah, Sean and I just had a baby in December.

Oh that's amazing.

What's her name?

Fern?

Lily is my my seven year old and Fern.

You know what if we had a girl, I was thinking Lily.

That's like one of my favorite names.

Beautiful.

Yeah, thank you, it is a good one, very nice.

I have a dog named Lily, very nice.

You also have a dog named George.

And George.

That's like one of those things too, like you want to name the kid names, but you don't know.

Like so I had a name.

I really like the name Finn.

She's like, that's my sister's that was my sister's dog.

I like this name.

Oh well that was my aunt's cousin who I didn't like.

And then it's like, you know, you have to like go through all of these names and get okay.

And also I think you.

Have to see the kid because like she likes like I do like ethnic names, like Italian names.

But if the kid comes out with red hair, like I don't know if his name should be Enzo, Well.

Keep us updated on.

Your kiddo, and and and don't be a stranger and thank you so much for taking the time to come on with us.

I know anytime you guys, everybody was.

So excited to hear from you and they're so good.

Yeah, it's just it's been it's been great.

It's awesome to catch up with you man and see how will you.

Do it and congratulates.

I'm just so happy for all of what you're doing and like this huge like what you got your next test will be We'll be thinking of you for your next two weeks.

Yeah, it's a it's a three day exam.

I'm going to be taking it like right next to SeaWorld in San Diego.

Oh, beautiful college.

So awesome.

We'll be offering Connecticut when the school is here.

But now it's only like in certain areas it's expensive.

Yeah, well the San Diego trip, it could be worse, right, that's not too bad.

Well, I was.

It was either it was either Toronto, Puerto Rico, Chicago, and then like Vancouver, Seattle, and like I was like san Diego sounds sounds nice and it'll be nice there because it's always cool.

I feel like I feel like August, you know, it's like actually not a bad month to be there.

No, it'll be nice man, Well, good life.

I feel bad, like I want to know more what's going on with you guys, But you know, I feel like, you know, I hogged all of the attentions today.

But I'm glad I got to tell you guys going on.

No, you did not hog it.

But I will connect us so we can stay connected and you can keep in touch with everybody.

But we're just so our listeners hear about us a lot.

Yeah, they don't want to hear anymore about us.

But but on the on the side, we'll we'll connect and so that way we can stay in touch as well.

And that's again the gift of catching up has been literally us catching up with everyone and reconnecting.

And you know what we could do too if we're all together, this is my new thing.

We could play pickleball together.

I was just told that I need to learn.

A sports No, I mean I have to get you know, me in sports bro.

But Adam, remember so I'm I'm still with Michael.

Do you remember Michael, he's my husband.

Yeah, yeah, but like.

He played to be honestly, I feel bad I didn't say anything because I'm like they've been to other forever, and I'm like, I'm pretty sure they still are.

Yeah, like I didn't know.

Yeah, that's great.

Some surprised the kids aren't playing tennis.

No, they are.

They are playing tennis.

And this is the problem.

This is why I don't play pickleball and I don't play tennis.

Is because they're all so good.

That there are my five year olds already is better than me.

And you know I don't do well when I.

Stuck at things.

I'll make you feel really good.

Okay, well, because he's he was a Division one tennis player, how can I even compete?

I think David and I will both make you feel.

Really, that's true.

Actually, our sport was acting, So.

We should we can try to play pickleball that you know what, Adam, you should come teach us.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

If you if you created pickleball where we have to just hit marks.

Of standing and talking, we could do it.

Don't.

So it's fine, except for I don't know whose house and whose kitchen and all these weird things that.

You call, I mean, confusing.

But it doesn't involve pickles.

You just want pickles.

I mean, I don't know anything about It doesn't involve pickles.

Pickleball, it would if you were there.

Yeah, they call it.

They call it pickleball because I remember, it's like a it's a combination.

No no, no, no, no, hold on.

It's something like if you played certain sports and if you like stop playing them and you kind of just like fell by the wayside.

They called it like being in like a pickle something or other.

So it's kind of like the name is like kind of like because it's a bunch of different sports like kind of thrown together.

So it's kind of like in a way derogatory pickleball because it kind of like you have to look it up.

It's kind of a silly story.

But like turning into a pickle, like they would say that if like you're shooting.

Really late, no, you get yourself into a pickle.

But that but like you're turning into a pickle, I think also means you're gonna expire.

I don't know, maybe because you because pickles are fermented.

I don't know.

It also means like heavily drunk pickled.

Never mind pickled pickle.

There you go.

That's true.

Wow, lots of so many things that we're learning today.

Hit us with.

Im Sorry Mac if you start something with Mac, she's just gonna ride it out all the way to the end.

Well, thank you so much, Adam, I really appreciate it, And thank you guys.

So just awesome to reconnect.

Really, I mean, I can't say that enough.

Yeah, man, good luck on your test and and keeps stay in touch.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Awesome s right man?

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