Hey, everyone, welcome back to catching up with the camp Dins.

I'm Beverly Mitchell.

Oh my gosh, hard no, because it always usually usually says like I introduced like who we are, and then I introduce what we're going to talk about, which is another rewatch recap of season one episode eighteen hope.

You guys will never believe it and found another episode.

Of found another one.

Do you know what there's there's quite a few episodes.

It's crazy.

But first we cannot skip over the intro of this episode, which is so freaking adorable.

David, you in a catcher's uniform, just.

Like so gong ho for baseball, and like you want to die in your cleats because you're never taking them off because you're so hard for like I love, like I love.

Simon is nothing if not enthusiastic, right, It's his enthusiasm, uh precedes him.

I just wrote in my notes Simon likes baseball, question mark.

I know that was also funny because I'm like, where did this come from?

Because Simon has played no sports nope, up until.

Then and won't in the future either.

I think this is it, This is this is the only But like you were like so hardcore baseball and also yes, meanwhile, as we're shooting this episode, I was the world series has.

Been going on so and I never watched baseball, but I watched a little bit of the Blue Jays versus Dodgers, and.

You know, oh yes, yes, blue Jays and the Dodgers are playing the game.

Yes.

I was actually like, I don't remember this at all, Like.

I remember that catch your thing because I thought it looked cool, and I remember wanting to put it on that trucks, that trucks and ever that parade that they made me wear.

But that's about it.

Oh yeah, but by the way, also we can we also give credit to Mac for Ruthie and the phone list because it is so cute, like how how excited and like the fact that you have a list with everyone's phone number?

Why do they keep letting her call emergency numbers?

Though, like they really didn't cut her off very quickly.

Everyone's very occupied while is doing devious things and no one seems to notice.

But I also so cute, by the way.

I love when they're like, what is our phone number?

And she's like five fy five, I won five because five things television numbers are always five five throwback.

Yeah yeah, and I also you're Mac.

You have a line where you're like tricky devil and it is so cute, Like it's literally like you are so adorable in this episode, like yeah, just like you were the clear winner hands down.

You kill it in this one.

Max epiccuteness is on is on eleven for sure.

Yeah, all your moments are funny.

Every single one of them is funny.

Yeah.

I also wrote down the line the burn and still no one cares.

It's true.

That one was funny too, the burn, and still no one cares.

Why there's like an okay.

It sounds just like my kids saying that to me all the time.

Oh I know you're in okay.

Seana looked at me while we were watching the episode and she's like, how old are you in this?

Like eight or nine?

And I was like.

I was eleven or twelve, and she's like, okay, just look just like Lily.

Cool.

It's true, you do though.

You know, it's funny if someone like peeked over my shoulder and they're like, oh my god, looks like Kenzie, I'm like stop stop.

I was like fifteen, els like can I say the X con was kind of hot, but.

That's Greg Evagan, is it?

Mm hmm yes, And that is when Eric meets at the job fair.

He meets a guy Ron, who is honest and on his resume says.

That he came from the correctional facility.

And isn't his name Tom?

Is it Tom?

Ron?

Ron?

Yeah, Ron's hot is in my notes.

Ron's who cares.

Anyway?

So Eric, Eric basically sets up that like he's you know, to come to the church that they need some help and maybe he can give him a job.

Then we go to the part where the church needs a treasure and Eric is not there because he's at the job fair, and they ask Annie to be the treasurer.

I had to the music because the music was like so funny, and it changes once she realizes like all the work that's gonna have to be that like all the boxes that are put in front of her.

So but like we have to have a shout out to the music, and you know what, we should insert the music here because it is so funny to.

Change like like all that, Like all shows did back then and still do.

Largely, we have like very specific music cues for certain mood swings that happen in the episode that are always that always come back, and they do that so that eventually, and you don't really think about it a lot as a normal viewer of shows like this, But but those cues kind of like preempt how you're supposed to feel, right, if something's supposed to be cute, if something's supposed to be worrisome, if something's supposed to be funny, Like you, the music will kind of like let your subconscious know and and they all and those cues always come back the same way, so that it kind of is less.

These But honestly, I don't know how you did.

I don't know how you didn't market because the music it was like so beyond what we normally do.

I was like, whoa okay, okay.

And also we had the great Alan Fudge who played Lou uh Lou.

I was wondering who played Lou because Alan familiar and okay.

Well he had been with us, he was on with us for a long time.

Yeah, he'd come.

And I was he somebody in like production that was like guest starring or something.

You know.

He was just he was an actor.

He was a well known actor and he was he came a lot.

Also, David, what do you have to say about it?

Or actually, what did Sean I have to say about anti making sandwiches, because I definitely marked that I was.

On a fell asleep oh like quickly this time we were pretty tired.

But but what with like the like the the military sandwich line that it was, being the production line of sandwiches and mayo that was there.

It just cracked me up because it just was another example again of like Catherine not necessarily being.

A chef domestic.

Yeah yeah, yeah, well Catherine with all of our heart, but like I definitely think that, like you know, she's not the one cooking in the kitchen for sure.

No, But but also like the way that they set it up because the ideas that like Annie gets it done, ye can do one hundred things at once.

Yeah, So the idea of like not that the sandwiches were made well, but that she was making like a bunch of them at once, is like that was what they were trying to nail.

And then it's just kind.

Of like a a production designer's idea of what that looks like and not a chef's.

Right, yeah, agreed, Also a production designer who probably doesn't cook and like doesn't make like decent sandwiches.

Anyway, I thought that that was funny again again.

When Simon comes down and his love of baseball and this kind of introduction of what has to happen for him to be able to play this season and what is.

That, Oh, Simon needs his tetnis shot.

Simon has to get a tetnis shot.

And then we establish one of the long running gags of the episode that runs through the whole way, which is that at the mention of the shot, we see that Matt.

Becomes like.

Physically like nervous and uh.

And then we establish at the same time that Eric is also afraid of needles.

And we don't say that Matt's afraid of needles, but we can kind of tell that he is also afraid of needles.

So this this whole like grown man scared.

Of needles like gag is like going to be the running gag for that for my like for my through line.

So yes, we have the through line that Simon and Simon has a clever way that we will dig into of managing this fear that he knows that his dad and brother both have.

Of yes, Simon looks at this as a as a manipulation point.

It is an opportunity.

It's an opportunity.

He is opportunistic and he takes everything he can get.

Then we established that Mary yes will tudor mister.

Moon, the great mister Moon.

Yes, Yes, I had to write down some of these lines because they were ridiculous.

He is a passionate fountain, a poet, not some dried up husk and a lab coat worshiping the period table.

Oh my god, I mean I really enjoy listening to Lucy wax poetic about about.

The many qualities of Jimmy Moon.

I find it just so adorable, so hard.

Like I mean, Lucy, we've we've established that Lucy is extremely romantic.

It has traumatic yeah, but this.

Episode and then the unbridled jealousy, like this episode.

Takes it so good.

It's good.

No, this episode takes it to another level.

I mean, Lucy is out of her mind.

In this episode.

She just nuts, certifiable loony in this episode is so funny.

No, this is like this is this is like I think the kernel to like making explaining that like that she is completely nuts.

This is the episode that definitely like starts for and then I love that.

Mary's ulterior motives are that she doesn't want Jimmy to fail some fail science because then he'll be in summer school and then she's gonna have to deal with Lucy.

So she's like, no, no, no, I'm gonna help this kid.

And the reason why I'm gonna help this kid is so that you're off my back and I don't have to deal with you, which also, poor Lucy, I mean, that's so sad.

Can you blame her?

You know, set herself up.

Well, And then exactly she sets herself up because then Lucy's explaining to Jimmy Moon how oh wait, sorry, she's explaining to Mary how to read Jimmy and Mary and says it tells tells Mary to look deep into his eyes to make sure that he really understands.

So like she's setting this up, She's like, she's literally setting herself.

Up your own traps.

I mean, I am literally digging my own grade, Like I am already six feet I might be twelve feet under at this point.

She showed so much promise your wisdom when she was trying to select her own religion and blah blah blah, and then I.

Know, and then she and then then this happens, and then boys and then this is the beginning of it.

But you also tell Jimmy to smile at Mary and show your teeth.

You got great teeth, and you don't show them enough.

And so you not only do you prompt Mary to look deeply into Jimmy's eyes, but then you prompt Jimmy to smile his big smile.

And then later all of this comes back to bite you.

It's so funny.

Okay, but but.

We go to the doctor's office.

Yes, at the doctor's.

Office where we're in the waiting room and uh, and Simon is like having a casual conversation with the girl who's waiting for some some other or it's thing field hockey, field hockey, right, it's I say, like, it's not baseball, but at least you get to carry a stick or something.

I say, like some ridiculous like backhanded compliment.

And then and then Matt is like, you know, Barry's doing his like his freak out stick, which is which is funny.

And again this is one of those moments through this hole Scared of Needles bit you could see Barry making fun of Matt while he's in the scene like it's it is Barry having a good time laughing at the scene in the scene, and so you know he's getting all physically ill and nervous, and Simon starts talking about the smell of the room and like, Oh, that person's gonna throw up and I, oh, I can't and it smells like like what, I don't know what I reference, like like cleaning products or mothballs or something out of some weird should I say that it's And then Matt's like, I got to get out of here, and I get out of the shot.

Well, because you're also like it's so hot.

It's like it's hot.

Hear definitely come back on a day that it's like not so busy and like they've cleaned it and like you're like you lay it on.

I lay it on super thick.

And it's clear that it is effective and so we.

Uh done this before.

So it's it's also very clear that like you you.

Know how to work this situation.

Yes, And then we.

Find Eric talking to Annie about being a treasurer and he's like trying to talk her out of it, like and you can definitely see that there's like tension in this like Annie having this job in the church and.

The tension is selfish to.

Its Yeah, we haven't done a spy yet, but it's it's building, we're building it, true.

Yeah, And then we go back to Ruthy, who runs down and who's like, did they leave without me?

Which is so cute, and they're like, no, they're outside, and she're like, well, I'm just practicing for when they do forget me, I know, Like, and I just like it's so cute because it's it's funny, and it's also like probably correct, like you know, it's sad, but it's also like at one point they're gonna forget me, so I'm just, you.

Know, I'm just she.

Wants to make sure to find the house, you know, easily.

And I also love the mac like like the ding Dongs will be like that's not my regular I know, like who's been Annie proposes the trade.

I'm feeling good about, like the kind of food a pack in Ophelia's bag.

By the way.

After hearing that, I'm like, okay.

Oh yeah, times have changed.

Yeah, you're definitely not finding that in our kids lunches.

But I also beve ding Dongs.

Well, I heard that freaking forever.

Well, it was like trade the ding dongs for Simon's ho hose to get and get this sutter.

Why wouldn't Yanny just put different snacks in the I don't know.

Why don't you clearly have found the blind spot of their parenting style here and.

It's it's food.

But I also love that Ruthie also has wisdom saying, you know what, variety is a spice of life.

And I do love that.

I think it's very cute, and I love that you're willing to try something.

It's another cute little moment that that that Mac totally wins in the in this whole exchange you get, you get the last laugh in this little in this little bit here, that's very cute.

And then Ruthy is.

The phone list, because the phone list, like you, you hold onto that like it's your blankie.

We have next week go to Jimmy Moon, No talking to Jimmy Moon, and where Jimmy Moon like admits that he scared of Mary and that he's just a floundering He's a floundering science student.

And this is where Lucy sets herself up by set telling him to like smile with teeth and then he says, what, I'm supposed to smile and look pretty.

I'm like, yeah, exactly, that's exactly pretty.

I tell him to look pretty.

You know, that's a great that's great advice for your boyfriend with your like scary older sister.

Perfect again feels very.

Like what's the what's the term, what's the term?

Like objectified?

Because Jimmy feels.

Very objectified by by you, which is which is also like cute and a reverse on on how that normally goes, which which is what makes the gag kind of work.

Yeah, I do love that, Simon.

As as we as you guys exit the waiting room, Simon has a line that is just so good.

Do you remember it?

I am the puppet master.

I am the puppet master.

Yeah.

And then I leave and I do a twirl or something.

I'm like dancing out of the waiting room.

It's cute.

And then we go back to like Eric wanting to give Ron a chance because even though he's an ex con, you know, he's done his time.

And Annie the second chances theme here for Eric's story, I think is I think it's quite good, honestly, and it's it's like because it seems like maybe a little a little thing for the for the the religious, or or like or traditional values of the show.

Like there's a lot of heavy hitters that lots of shows would hit that are like kind of bigger like uh, you know, uh, family table issues or whatever.

But like, but the idea of.

Like second chances to someone who's served a bit of time and that they've learned their lesson and that they deserve a second chance felt to me like a really quiet message that like, I don't you don't hear very often, And and we did it in a way that was like I mean, I guess I don't know if we did it in a way that felt like not so self righteous, but like it it was like it felt honest, you know what I mean.

Like Eric was like, no, he's just like he made a mistake and I don't think he's that person, and how could we know if we don't give him a second chance.

It felt very like leveled and good hearted and generton I agree.

I also feel like what I also thought was also good is that the way it presented Annie and the church is that they were that you could understand that they were fearful, They were fearful of the repetition of what got him in the first place, and so they were trying to be practical.

But it also showed that like just because you're afraid and like, you can't you can't treat someone like they're gonna mess up again, because you're setting them up for failure.

So it was nice showing both sides, I thought was also really cool.

And also the idea that that Eric's I like that there's a sequence where Eric defends his position by saying.

Like, like, no, like I.

I represent the values of our church with our congression, sometimes in spite of them.

Yeah, and and that like and that Eric was standing on a moral ground and that everyone else was trying to couch their fear of this guy behind like a business decision like no, no, no, this is a practical business decision, and so we don't want to do this, even though it was all tinged by this kind of fear that we were letting someone who was criminal into.

Their space, their safe church space.

Well, and so it was an interesting moral section to the episode, I thought.

Well.

And then also this is also when Eric says that they only hired Annie to use her against him, right, And you can see this burn that like that for Annie saying like that not that she was good enough, that she was smart enough, and that she was capable, but that she was used as a pawn for the church to get what they want against Eric, and you could see for the first time, I would say, like this was like a real.

Moment between this couple.

Of like where you could definitely see like there was her and you could also see that like Eric was standing on what he believed was right and no listening to her at all right there.

But in the process of being right, Yeah, hurt Annie's feelings without meaning to, but but definitely hurt her feelings.

But legitimately he was He's right in what he's standing for, but not right in the way he's handling it.

Yeah, he used him.

He used being right about this issue they were arguing about to actually to actually be insensitive towards her and in a way that was like where he was genuinely wrong.

And so that like the way all of this stuff was handled and was written, like the dialogue through Lew Eric Ron and Annie, like that, that whole dynamic I think was just really handled will Like as far as the dialogue goes, the writing between everybody expressing the different opinions, having that clash of ideas where everyone makes like a decent enough point, but but where you land really kind of defines like the kind of person you are in that struggle.

And I thought it was I thought it was like, you know, like I said it was.

I thought it was pretty well done.

It wasn't.

It didn't feel very heavy handed.

It felt like a good, honest kind of conversation about the subject totally.

And then we get to Ruthie talking to the fireman.

Yes, that was very cute.

I just like no one is doing anything about it.

And she's like, oh, I just love that.

Yeah, how many do you fight a fire today?

All right?

But I also love are you a real firefighter?

Or do you just answer the phone?

Ooh?

Burn?

And then but are you?

Lucy does catch ship and Lucy is trying to get Ruthie to stop doing it, and Ruthie explains that she's just trying to check to make sure that the numbers are right, and Lucy tries to explain, like the emergency.

Of them that she dialed, Yeah, could have been a nine one.

You never know, right, I remember being taught the only call nine one one in an emergency lesson.

While we were filming this, many of the episodes that we did were like my first time learning that lesson as well.

Behind the scenes, yeah, like yeah, true, so that everything you know, I'm like, oh, okay.

Well, this really solidified the fact that you should not call nine one one unless it is a true emergency.

And then we get to the good stuff.

Mary tutoring Jimmy.

Oh my god, this is the best part of the episode.

This is a wonderful, wonderful piece of cinema that I had completely forgotten about.

For Lord knows what reason.

This has escaped me, this memory, and I'm very happy to have seen it again.

What a thing, What a time to be alive, what we're what a.

Time for Lucy is watching Jimmy and Mary tutoring, and then all of a sudden comes the French music.

The best part.

The best part is that Lucy's like, like sneaky, spying like on them right from a distance, and and uh and Jimmy, being nervous, takes Lucy's advice and smiles with his teeth at Mary.

But that smile works on Lucy, and Lucy's like, oh, like and you are instantly like you turn it into this fantasy where Mary is stealing Jimmy Moon from you.

Yeah, with the whole take her hair.

Out, takes her hair out with you And Jesse's so funny in this and this is again this is Jesse like leaning into the gag, like clearly having a good time with the with how silly it is.

I mean they were genuinely gonna kiss like when we were When I was watching this, I was like.

Dude, do they do they elevators?

I feel like they did, because they faded out like at.

Least I mean they there was no there was no distance in their lips.

No, I think they did kiss for this.

I might have to ask Jess in this though, like I sold Lucy's craziness.

And I mean perfect jealous girlfriend.

I mean, I definitely if you're gonna dive, you're gonna go all the way to the bottom of that deep end.

You're not going to like do a shallow dive.

You gotta like really take it down.

And so you got all the skies.

Good job.

Yeah, No, I mean I I had bricks, Like I just sunk to the bottom of that pool.

But then we immediately go to.

Uh to the the after effect of this where where Lucy is trying to get out of Mary like the truth and.

You say, oh.

Yeah, one of one of the craziest words I've ever I think I've ever heard.

I think so too.

I had to like type it.

Out and I was like, how do you even.

Babe o loctopus?

I didn't even.

Understand because he has eight arms.

If he had six more arms, you'd think he was a babe octopus.

I was like, what.

I mean again, if you are going to, like, if you're gonna go for it, I mean you gotta go.

There's no way.

When you look at a script, yeah, and that's what it says, you know that it's all or nothing.

Like you you.

Have to if you got to perform a crazy sentence like that, you have to just like live it and love it, like you have to lean in so hard in order to sell it.

And you do.

Because I just laughed.

I was so like I was.

I was having such a good time through your segment of this episode.

Meanwhile, I was horrified and quietly watching this in my car while Kenzie's playing soccer so that no one no one overheard can Overhea lost Annie, that is happening because I was so embarrassed.

And also like Lucy is just like so out of her mind, like her thinking that Mary is in love with Jimmy, and like Mary literally says like yo, like you have lost your mind, and Lucy's response is lost it or finally found it and also realizes like that it doesn't work either way, Like that's not that's not a good We're not in a good place here, Lucy.

No, Lucy is not good at the at the uh, the the the dissing back and forth.

Lucy's not good at dissing period.

Yeah.

And also Lucy like is no match for Mary.

And Mary also is just like so calm, and it's just like you're you.

Yeah, she's not really giving off those sanity vibes, is she.

No, And Mary, I'm not dealing with you and you're this is a perfect example why I don't want to I want Jimmy to succeed in science so that I don't have to deal with you because you are nuts.

And Jamie's like, yeah, and I also don't want to fail science.

So this conversation, Jimmy's like, can you please respect the fact that I don't want to fail.

It's like desperately trying to logically explain to you how he needs tutoring.

My God.

So then we get to Ron trying to get into the church and we find that Lou is there because Lou wants the whole thing is like Lou is pushing for a security system throughout the episode, and they're saying that they have no room to hire an organist, which is what Ron would do, and he could also work in accounting, but he we find out that Ron was in prison for embezzlement and he stole money from a bank he worked.

We find out Ron was a white collar criminal, yes, exactly.

Then we move on to Eric talking to Matt about.

Taking So I want to just mention that the the very intentional dichotomy between like hiring the x con like community member versus security system, and how the idea of like of hiring the ex con is uh put up against the everyone's security intentionally to make the idea of the ex criminal seem even more dangerous, right it?

And and that is Ron's kind of position is like security or security versus risk, putting everyone in jeopardy versus keeping everyone safe.

And so that that's a very clever kind of like writing tactic that they use here to kind of underscore, uh, you know the church's problem with this.

Yeah.

And then we go to Eric with Matt and admitting that he ducked out of getting Simon shot last year.

And and it's also like Eric saying like, oh, did he did he do the waiting room spiel?

Did he like talk about how like you know this?

And and then Eric and Matt having to bind together and then giving advice saying like take your walkman, like take in that way you can drown him out and you won't have to listen to him, and like you have to get around him.

Then we get to Lucy on the phone with Jimmy Moon, accusing him of falling in love with Mary and flashing his pearly whites, which now I basically flip on him.

And I'm mad at him because he was smiling at her, which was her suggestion, and what she told.

Him I just put, Lucy is crazy.

That's my notes.

Well, I mean, how many times?

How many times did you put that in your notes?

I think just this once this time, I think maybe once an episode, but this time.

It was here.

I love that Ruthie, like this is like such a wish.

We most people don't even have the opportunity to do this anymore because nobody as landlines.

But I love that Ruthie is on the call and just listening and also telling us like whose turn it is?

Yeah, like I'm waiting for the phone.

Yeah, And why is she waiting for the.

Phone Because she wants to call the poison Control Center because of Pappy's water.

Duh, She's going on the whole list.

I mean, have any have you ever called the poison Control Center?

No, No, I'm happy happily have not had.

I considered it once, but I went with Google instead.

I don't know if you should have called the poison Control Center.

Glad you're still with us.

Mac, Yeah, that wasn't for me.

And then I love that Matt talks about why he doesn't like going to get shots because it's a long, short piece of being shoved into your arm.

And then this now getting into Simon's head.

Yeah yeah, which, to be honest, well, and it also kind of reveals the truth for Simon, which is that he's been nervous about this the whole time, and his manipulation is a tactic.

His confidence is all a bluster, So that he could try to weasel his way out of getting a shot.

Yep, and that maybe this fear of needles thing, you know, is more inherited than we thought.

Right that we have Lou at the church, and this is again where he's talking about Ron being an embezzler and Eric wanting to give him a second chance, and Lou calls Eric a lousy businessman, and Eric this is where David you said, you know, Eric says, I stand up for the parishioners and the church and what the values are of the church.

And this is where Ron threatens to remove.

Him, Yeah, threatens Eric's job, yes, which this early in the show feels like a proper threat.

It feels you know, yeah, we've all we haven't even been on a whole season.

So Eric is not the like the paragon preacher that he feels like he is towards the end of the show, right, yea, So like the threat isn't doesn't feel so empty.

No, I think in this moment it's genuine.

And I think also this is also where Annie, who's doing you know, is the pro tempt treasurer.

Right now she stands up to Eric and she is trying to explain that you really need to understand where their fear is coming from so that you can speak to them and you can communicate with them versus just tell them that they're wrong.

And that leads to my favorite line in the episode.

I love it when Eric says I love you and Annie says you're okay, okay.

I love that.

But it's not just the not just the line.

But of course, again as usual, Catherine's delivery is just so stellar because it is it comes across, it comes across genuine.

Uh like she does love him.

Too, but but it just she just throws it's it's like a nice throw over the shoulder, just.

Like I love you, but I don't like you very much right now.

But it's also.

Because it turns him and it is the exact line that it makes Eric wake up because also it's a it's it's important in long term relationships.

You obviously have a deep love for your partner, but you're not always going to like there's gonna be times where you're like, all right, you know you're not my favorite right now, and and and like right now I disagree with how you're and I'm like I'm kind of done with you and it doesn't mean like you're getting a divorce.

It just means that, like, all right, you're just you're not my favorite right now.

And I think this moment is where Eric realizes that he has been on the wrong side of this, and that what he even says, I have been I have been narrow minded on my side of like being right on this, and he apologizes to them and they immediately make up and make out, which I was like, that was quick.

That was a quick turnaround on that one.

But I did love that Eric finally sees that like Annie was never up against him or fighting what Eric believed.

She was just trying to get him to understand both sides.

She was trying to properly like mediate exactly impartially and and and in in.

His self righteous position.

Because Eric gets very self righteous about his position, he tramples on her and h and the first time he does it, which is earlier in the episode, he knows he made a mistake and he could see it where he like, I shouldn't have said that kind of thing.

But then, because he's so self righteous about his moral position in this argument, he continues to do it without without regard, and so this is kind of the moment where he wakes up to that a little bit and realizes Annie's not against him.

Annie is just trying to to be a nice, neutral, like reasonable communicator who says, look, this is how they feel, and this is why, and you I understand you and how you feel.

You guys are are arguing past each other, agreed.

And I think that what I'd never realized while we were shooting the show as much as I'm realizing now is as much as like Eric kind of has this again, this high moral compass and this like, you know, I'm kind of right in the way that I think Annie is this constant and very She's more like the rest of us, where like she's she she's the one who's usually the right because she thinks there's much more thought process behind it.

She understands, she listens, She doesn't have judgment like she throughout the whole first season is the one.

Who's Annie's position is often more nuanced, where Annie understands the different positions and then tries to find a nice, like compromising space to land on, which is very level headed, very mature, whereas Eric ends to be more morally driven, self righteous with his decision makings and and will butt up against people with with that kind of righteous, uh you know, self righteous vigor.

Right after this deep moment, we then go to Simon, who has now.

Locked himself in his room.

That's right, because he does not want to get the shot.

I've barricaded my room with the chair.

Which, if I remember correctly, wasn't there like an opening where like the rooms could open in between?

Yeah?

I think it was like a slider.

Yeah, yeah, we didn't.

We didn't.

We didn't address the fact that we could have gone through the slider.

But that's that's completely outside of this.

That was nowhere ruins the gag, I know, but I just I just wanted to point it out.

I also love that Ruthie comes in.

With her her favorite.

Line, are we doing your iconic line?

Yes?

And then you find out that Simon has barricaded himself in his room and you take this opportunity and what what opportunity is that?

Me?

Yeah?

Well I call the police.

Yeah yeah, and we've got the familiar officer, Sergeant Michael's is you sorry?

I also love that you can hear the sirens happening, and none of the Camden's I thought.

It was outside because we had really terrible storms right now, And I'm like, oh God, someone died.

And then oh you didn't realize No, not at first.

I like, how as soon as the police are revealed in the house, you start hearing like the the generic like cop like dispatch radio sound.

Effects and stuff.

Like it's just emanating from their bodies, just the dispatch noise.

I mean, it was really good timing on Ruthie's part, Like did Simon legitimately think the cops were there because he barricaded himself in his room.

It's a hosted situation and we've come to like bring in our best negotiators.

I don't know, probably, And.

I love that it's Sergeant Michael's so it's a familiar face, and I just I love Ruthie's her like response is like, well that number was right.

Well, we've already done We're not even through the first season, and we've already done a great job establishing not just the family and our antics and our different personalities, but the community that's around us.

Right, And so Sergeant Mike, the cops are called, and of course it's Sergeant Michaels and his partner who show up.

And and and and do help.

They show up to uh, you know, to get Simon out, and they take a minute, but they also remind the kids that not to call the police if it's not an emergency.

And then they say all right, you know, see you guys later.

And for a good reason, saying, you know, don't you can't call because if we're here helping you, then we can't help someone really has and so it like I think that resonates with Ruthy and she understands.

And then Lucy finally takes the phone list away and Ruthy's like, but it made me feel powerful.

I love that line.

Yeah so good, Yeah, so cute.

And then I wrote in my notes, I'm like, like, Ruthie's not gonna remember nine to one one, I know.

But you know for five five five everything.

Yeah, exactly.

Then we go to Simon at the doctor and they're both like sitting there kind of like talking and like get preparing and and I think you say, come on your big baby.

Yeah, Simon's nervous, but still not as nervous as Matt.

And then we.

Kind of go like okay, we're ready, and the nurse is like, it's already done.

And the nurse comes in, by the way and says, oh, I looked at your chart.

You're overdue as well.

So Matt also has to get the shot, which he didn't sign up for.

And uh, at that point, Shawna was like, nobody would do that.

They wouldn't look up your chart just because you're there, Like that's not a thing, but you know, but I guess you know what a time.

So so the gag is that after being scared of needles, he has to take a shot as well.

And then we're such big babies about it that we don't even realize that it's over.

They've already given us the shots and we didn't even notice.

I like Barry's reaction with the lollipop.

And and Barry really hams it up with the lollipop, which is him beeping around like making fun of the scene, which is very funny.

And then we go to Mary getting a note from Jimmy canceling the tutoring session, and Lucy finally has like a come to Jesus moment where she realizes that she's nuts and she apologizes to Mary, and Mary is mad at her, and she's like, you should have trusted me, and asks like, you know, would would Jimmy cheat on you?

And Lucy's like no, and then she's like, would I do anything to hurt you?

And she's you know?

And she Mary gets mad, saying like you did the thing I hate the most.

You made it a like a woman against woman, a sister against sister, and she like really lays it on thick.

And what does Lucy do?

She cries.

Lucy cries about it.

But it was but it is really sweet to see Lucy kind of come out of her of the cloud that she's in right of her own making and and realize that that that all that, all of this frenzy, that she had done it to herself.

So it is a nice resolution for it.

It's sweet.

And and then so Mary and Lucy make up, and then Annie says, Jimmy's here, and so Lucy comes down.

To see you because mister Moon is here.

I think, right yeah.

And then I had to write down this line.

I actually had to pause it and write it down because it was so good.

So then Jimmy has this line, while I appreciate you are a passionate, whimsical creature, you must also appreciate I need a passing science grade and there's nothing going on, and I am not a free love kind of guy, not.

A free love kind of guy.

Yeah, And I was just like, wow, we just really laid on thick up.

They wrote some bangers this, I mean between Jimmy Moon and Lucy, I mean we which somebody just was on one.

It's just so propera in and of itself, basically two of them.

Yeah, that's off.

There is the spin off that got away.

Oh my gosh.

And then we go to Annie fixing the door, which is funny because I also think she's like she asks, you know, what's the lesson learned?

And the lesson is like, not necessarily about the phone list, but it is about like use never ye, it's about screwdrivers.

Never use a flathead when you can use the phillips.

The other way?

Was it that way?

It was the other way?

It was like, yeah, never never use a phillip.

So to flatheadled do or something like that.

I was like, that's right, but okay.

Yeah, that's why I was like, wait, hold on.

And then Ruthie like kind of realizing, you know, this moment that she's gotta let co.

Of her phone list.

Yeah, sadly but she's got them all in here anyways, so it's just fake, fake sadness.

But then we have Simon says something shocking.

I thought in this episode, Oh yeah.

Yeah do I My notes are largely over here.

Simon said something that I was like, m that one hurts, and that one's not very nice because Simon, you're eating pizza and you said that if mom got a real job, we can eat like cans.

Oh, And I was like, oh yeah, Simon, Simon gets a little sexist, misogynist all of a sudden.

Yeah.

I was like no, no, no, no, yeah.

And now we're all parents, so like that definitely feels like a little knife to the back.

You're like, wait a second, you don't understand what a job it is running around with you kids.

Hold on a.

Second from her, let's be real.

I mean, having a job and being able to go away and do that seems like a cake walk versus taking care of all of these children.

Agreed.

Being a butler of three twenty four to seven.

I mean, if you put the amount of hats that we have to wear and the jobs that we are, like, I mean, you're a house cleaner, you are You're a laundry.

Matt, you are a tutor, you are a chef.

You are like I mean you are a chauffeur, like I mean the list non like yeah, I mean yeah, you're a transcriber, groom trainer.

Uh yeah, I mean if you're if you're on max arm you also I mean styling.

I can't maze, but holler put anything like she makes sure she does her own thing.

But anyway, I thought I was like shocked because I was also a shower.

That's the line I wasn't expecting from Simon.

At least Eric was.

Quick to put him in his place, no hesitation.

And then we go to like the big kind of the end of the episode when Annie's presenting the budget and she does this really cool way, which is also very Seventh Heaven of turning a like a mark like a budget into something that is she says, is more of a moral document of how we invest our money, shows how we value, what where our values are in the community, and how we lower our risk because they've been talking about this security system by investing in our faith and what types of people were investing in.

So turning there, she's like she flips this whole thing and all of a sudden, the two sides who have been fighting, Eric and the church are now flipped by Annie's presentation of the budget.

Well, what she does is she takes Eric's side, but she articulates his argument just far better.

And she does it.

At the church before service begins, and gives gives everyone leaves everyone thinking about the position that they've held and if and if they feel good about.

It as church begins.

So it's a it's a nice like moment of solidarity for Eric and Annie.

You know, she she she doesn't up defending Eric and his moral position.

She just does it with more clarity and uh and and with some poise.

It's nice.

And then comes Ron, come the choir, The choir comes in, the congregation comes in.

Ron comes in running late, and.

Lou says, it's still not this is not over.

That's right, and end of episode.

And that's that's all.

That's all.

Eric gets his way as usual, and Lucy's crazy.

The moral of the story, Lucy's.

Nuts, Lucy's nuts.

Eric.

Eric gets his way with his moral high ground.

Simon's manipulation fails him in the end, and uh and and Mary and and Jimmy Moon are actually quite a hot item.

Oh well, we did it, guys, another episode in the bucket.

We did it all right.

Well, thanks guys.

It was another episode of Catching Up with the Camdens.

That was episode eighteen, Faith, hope and the bottom line.

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