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Tonight, we receive our invitations to the ball that is twenty twenty five, So the Ugly Stepsister we slip into our glass slippers for this grim fairy tale.

Episode two oh nine of A Cut Above is prettier on the inside than it is on the out, and it's starting now.

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Good evening and welcome to A Cut Above Horror Review, a podcast where we review all things horror.

I'm your host, Jacqueline, and tonight we'll be discussing The Ugly Stepsister from twenty twenty five.

But first, let's meet everybody else on the show.

First up, it's John.

What's going on, John?

I'm to take John That's what I am to Hi, Jacqueline, I'm Johnny two takes.

I'm Johnny two takes takes, Papist.

What's going on?

How you doing, Johnny?

I'm doing very well.

Yeah, great weekend.

I got to spend some time on the west side of Washington State, which was fantastic.

The weather was Chef's.

Kiss I hear it?

So what Syed?

Yeah, I know.

We're in central Washington, so it's like out here right now, like today was ninety seven degrees or something like that, so high desert it was, but it still sucked.

Still boy, Well, I'm sure hard, I'm sure you're tired from your travels, but I'm glad you can make it back in time for our weekly rendezvous.

A little car lagged, yes, but I'm good.

And next up it's Cinderella Berg.

It's going on at Cinderella Berg.

What's going on?

Guys?

Are you feeling hated?

Ye?

Are my stepsisters?

I have my glass slippers on.

How are your face?

Stomach's bothering me a little bit?

Oh?

Sounds serious.

You might need to take a rest and break.

I think I think I'll bear it tried, Mitlanta.

Mm hm oh, that's what I haven't heard in a while.

My dad used to drink that like by the court.

Basically chao pectae.

Wow.

It's more than you needed to know about my dad.

Wow.

Anyway, Glad to see you, fellas, glad to see you, Glad to be here talking about this movie.

Actually see you.

I know last week that was that was not the case.

But this week things no, Jacqueline was John Cena.

You can't see me no, But things are better this week for reasons I do not understand, but I'm not asking any questions.

Wow, all right, well let's get into some horror stuff, John, Do you have horror news to share?

Oh, you know I do, even though I went to the west side of the state.

Still the news.

Yeah, we have two homework projects that we had to take care of.

There's a movie called Shaman.

The trailer just dropped.

I want to get your guys's thoughts.

Jacqueline, I'm gonna go to you first.

What did you think of Shaman?

Eh, it looked a little generic to me.

It has a little bit of that thing I don't like where it's like, oh, in a foreign land.

That must be where you know, bad things happen been you're exposed to mystical things that you didn't know about.

It's cultures.

They're spooky, I know exactly.

It's that trope that I hate.

If you want to hear my original rant about that, go way way way way back in the podcast to our episode on Freaky.

I've written a thesis about that in college.

Just it's it's a thing that I hate.

So it kind of looks like that, and it looks like a pale white imitation of the movie Here Comes the Devil from ten five years ago.

Do you guys remember that movie?

I do that now.

That was a Mexican film and it was like this family and their two kids wandered off to the mountain and then they disappeared for a while, and finally they came back, but they were different and then they were weird and creepy.

And this looks like that, but like less good and tropy and kind of generic.

So those are my thoughts, Heydeberg thoughts.

I have similar notes as Jacqueline.

I thought Chaman look generic, possibly entertaining, but I didn't love the demon reveal and that one seen or whatever it was, and it looked it looked like a mask sort of or something.

I don't know, it just it looked generic to me.

Really was the biggest sin of it.

And yeah, the the take of like in a Foreign Land, I mean, at least it looked like it switched that a little bit, so it was like he's the outsider kind of deal.

I don't know, but it didn't look like it's going to have a message really or anything that would be thought provoking.

It just looks like it's gonna be generic.

Scares I don't know what about you.

John didn't like it?

Nope, I'm really I'm really not interested in this movie at all.

I mean it was just like you guys said, it's generic.

It's like, what am I going to watch here?

I'm not gonna like spend the twenty dollars to go buy a ticket for this movie.

Also, are we still doing these possession movies?

Like I thought we had some of them like ten years ago, and I thought we'd kind of dwindled down from that.

It's it feels like a little passe.

Well, it's like it becomes trophy, right because like anytime you have to success with, you know, a certain movie, they really like Hollywood just ran how the ideas.

They're like, now let's capitalize on this.

Yeah, totally.

I just feel I thought we'd already played that one out.

I thought we'd already had the huge glut of those and then we're starting to move on to other stuff.

But this is like, it feels like we're going back ten years.

This looks like a Blumhouse movie.

I did, actually, I know, I really did.

It was it was hammering Blumhouse lately.

At least it was an original sort of a movie.

If it was sort of sort of ye, So anyways, Uh, I don't think we're big fans of this or really looking forward to seeing it.

It's coming out, but the next the next movie is obviously going to get us.

Why not.

Yeah August eight, Oh, you guys want to do the second homework project?

Sure?

All right, Yeah, let's get this ship out of the way.

Pulls out of the way.

This is fucking ship out of the way.

This is terrible.

This week, The Strangers chapter two huge trailer came out to a book of the Yeah, well done.

Uh, hyd we're gonna throw to you.

What did you think of it?

Uh?

Yeah, I don't know.

It looks more like the say of the same, but I don't know.

I haven't I didn't see the first one, the first requel, prequel, sequel, whatever the fuck it was.

I don't really plan on uh seeing this one.

So I'm not really that interested.

To be completely honest, I can't see this as a great starting point either, like this series.

I don't know.

I'm not gonna tell anybody like, hey, check this one out.

It's modernized, it's better China, or it's like just go the The other one's not even that old.

It's a good looking film.

Yeah, it does exactly what you needed to do.

And the sequel to that one I didn't love either, So it was like, just go see the first one forget this.

Yeah, agreed.

Jacqueline thoughts, Yeah, well I have some questions.

I probably agree with Hydroberg completely, but since.

I maybe they took it around.

I don't know.

Did anybody see chapter one?

John?

Did you see chapter one?

I did not, Okay, because what I am unclear on here from this trailer was, Okay, the like redhead Madeline Petch or whatever her name is.

They show her tied up in a chair and she's like, why are you doing this?

And then the killer says, because you're here.

Is that supposed to be Live Tyler's character?

Yeah, from the first one, apparently it is.

It's like she played the same character basically.

Okay, and so was that Did she play that character in chapter one?

I don't know what happened in chapter one?

What happened in chapter one?

She survived a lah like Halloween two, and then now the killers are still after her, but now she's with these other people that I'm assuming are the killers.

Just so that's like.

Kind of I don't know.

Yeah, it's a sequel, prequel is what it is.

You know, it gets confusing.

So if that's the case, it's like, why are we retelling the same story that we already had in two thousand and seven?

And also this just not about the movie itself, but the trailer, Like that trailer was.

I mean, I feel like I watched half the movie.

It gave us like the that was not a trailer.

Those were like full scene.

We got like two full scenes like her in the hospital getting chased by the killer and then leader her in her apartment.

Oh, and then another one where she's in the car with people who are clearly malintentioned but are but she's trusting them for some reason.

I feel like I saw half the movie.

So that was not a good trailer.

Did not what my appetite what it just gave me everything I feel like I need to know in the movie, and now I really don't want to see it.

I already didn't want to see it, and now I really don't want to see it.

Why are you putting so much emphasis on.

The h say wheat tins wat or cool?

Anyway, that's what I just go watch the two thousand and seven one and be done with it.

Yea, that's not to be cratchety, but that's my advice.

I agree percent.

I don't know why they're trying to rehash this whole this whole franchise, and it was only two movies, but they're rehashing it, and I guess there's one more movie coming out after this.

I'm like, no, Oh.

It's like there's a community that's you know, like it's not just these three people.

It's like there's some kind of cult around it or whatever.

But it looks like they're even taking a long time just to get to that.

Like you rehashed the first movie.

It looked like.

The thing that was scary about the first movie is that you had no idea why who these people were or why they were doing it.

It was scarier that you didn't know because it seemed random.

Period the end.

No need for sequels, no need for prequels, no need for reboots and SMA boots, it's just you don't need them.

Are you making new boots?

SMA boots?

I like that.

Boots.

Well, we're all really in harmony tonight, We're all like agreed, cly yep.

Yeah we are.

It's like some kind of but not a fan.

You know, fuck this movie.

I'm not going to go watch it coming out September twenty that shit, yeah, fuck that shit.

Even with the past, I don't want to see it.

Yeah, to save the past or something better.

M yeah, yeah, no.

Twenty eight years later, it's continuing on this track that they seeing it.

Okay, I'm gonna get your opinion about it, but this it's almost like a trend that these horror movies are starting to make a lot more money at the box office, like people are hungry for something else.

This movie passed one hundred million dollars globally.

Wow.

Yeah, I don't think a lot of people loved it, but people were excited to go see it.

Danny Boyle and uh, what's the writer's.

Name, Danny Boyle Garland, Alex Garland, Alex Garland.

That's right, so he wrote it.

People are loving it one hundred million dollars.

I didn't love it.

I like the first two thirds, okay, but it's nice to see that it's making money because they're supposed to be see goals.

That will help with that ending that I didn't enjoy.

Well, I enjoyed twenty eight weeks later and twenty eight months later.

I actually really liked those movies Day our Days, days, weeks and weeks yeah they months.

Yeah, anyways, I like those movies.

I thought they were like like a nice little twist on the ombie sub genre.

So this was beautiful.

And that's all shadow on iPhones really.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just uh, it's great.

It's got good acting too, it's really cool set pieces, and I thought it was a good movie.

I just I understand people's complaints as well, uh, because I have I have some.

I have some complaints of my own.

It's probably the same.

But yeah, it's worth seeing in the theater.

And it's part horror because horror keeps Hollywood going, as you said does.

Yeah, anyways, that's all I got.

And yeah, Hydroberg, you saw a movie that wasn't horror, but.

I did, but it was White Knuckled break Neck.

So f one with Brad Pitt, my man, my baby, my baby girl, Brad Pitt.

That's what that wants for the librarian.

Uh.

But yeah, dude, you want to see a summertime movie, a movie to kick off the summer.

That's it.

Man.

It's a little long, but other than that like it directed by the guy who did Maverick, Joseph Kazinski or Kovinsky or something like that.

I'm sorry he's polished, yeah, but man, he put he takes you like he did a Maverick in the plane cockpit and he takes that and he puts you in the F one seat instead.

And it's got a cool story, you know, team team kind of story.

There's no like villain raser X character.

It's more about this team trying to work their way up because they're in last you know, and trying to trying to save the team.

So I like that dynamic.

It's got that kind of creed vibe to it, Maverick sort of vibe.

So if you like those kind of how that sounds and you want to see like two hundred miles an hour in a car with Brad Pitt, like, go check it out.

I recommend it.

That sounds good.

Actually, my father in law, well my in laws are coming to visit next week, and I think we might try to get him out to see that because he's into F one.

I leaned over to my buddy and I was like, where this is a fucking movie movie, you know what I mean?

Like I was just like, we were like an hour in and I'm likely fucking movie right here.

I could, you know, like back in the day type flick.

Did it give you the vibe of like a summertime blockbuster.

Yeah, that's what I mean by like movie movie.

Just like it was just fire and all cylinders, great music.

I was engaged.

I was just like, yeah, like dialed in.

Mission sorry, go ahead.

What was the run time of it?

It's two hours and thirty five minutes.

Yeah.

And the yeah, and the racing stuff, like the dramatic stuff's good and well acted, but also the racing stuff is peppered out in the right spots where you never feel like, oh uh, they loaded it over in the front front loaded it with too much racing and I didn't get enough in the end.

It's all there's so many great moments.

I felt like, so, yeah.

That's important.

That's a good that's a good thing to point out.

I think that's important.

Yeah.

Uh, That's how I felt about the.

Most recent Mission Impossible movie, which I saw last week.

That was a movie movie that was like a popcorn movie, like a good summertime block buster that was long as ship, that was like three hours Yeah, loved it.

Yeah that Tom Cruise makes a good flick.

He's a wacked Martini movies.

Yeah, yeah, a little Shake Shake Tricks.

Yeah, Bacon Bake, Why the Fire?

That's another racing movie.

That is Tom Cruise was in a racing movie that was amazing.

Days of Thunder was rad by the way.

Yeah, bro, I was still on Cocktail.

You guys lost me.

No, yeah, we moved to Days of Thunder.

Have you ever seen that one?

No?

What?

Oh, I know I haven't.

If you like Thunder, I didn't.

Say I like that one.

No, I'm saying if you like f one, if you okay, okay, anyway.

Okay, that's all I got.

Oh, okay, cool.

Thanks, Thanks for the news.

John, all right, you all ready to get into the ugly step, Sister, I am who are you calling him?

I'm in no position to call anybody else ugly?

But more about that later, John, this was your pick for the week.

Tell us why you pick this one.

I have no fucking idea why I picked this movie.

However, I did mention it last week that Sodu from Straight Chilling actually brought this movie up on a recommendation or like what they've been watching and our friend Caitlin over Att Plug it Up actually covered this movie.

This is one of the few movies I went in completely blind.

Didn't understand it.

I knew the premise that it's a take on I guess the Brothers grim Cinderella, So I picked it.

It came on shutter easy Access.

That's why I picked it.

Mm hm, well good, I'm glad you did so.

Since it's your pick, why don't you be the first to tell us whether this movie fucks or sucks?

Well, I'm not gonna be cute with this one, but it's a fairy tale fuck.

This movie is fucking awesome, all right, Heiderberg.

At the bump, So did I?

Sorry?

Okay, Heiderberg, What do you think does a fuck or suck?

Yeah?

Like a roll in the hay with a fair maiden who's not so pure.

It's good at times, and sometimes it smells like horseshit, and you may get hay in your butt crack, but overall it's a good time.

Hmmm.

That sounded like a more tempered opinion.

Okay, very interesting.

It's it's got its its peaks and valleys.

What is it?

Is it a classic fuck?

Or is it au Oh no, it's a fuck.

It's it's a fuck.

It's a good time jacket.

Some horseshit here and there.

Your butt crack terribly uncomfortable.

Well that's uncomfortable.

Yeah, Well the horseship can be a mood killer.

True, Jacqueline, does this movie fucker suck?

So I don't have anything I don't I don't have Oh my god, I don't have anything cute here either or metaphorical.

I'll just say this movie actually made me ill.

It made me feel ill, but like it's good that it did, because it I feel like it was supposed to and that was I think the correct effect that it was striving to achieve, and I think that was the correct way to respond to it.

So yeah, I have a lot of good things to say about this movie.

So it focks boom?

All right, John, you want to guess the spoiler warning so we can get into it that.

I will the Stepsister from twenty twenty five.

We're gonna be talking about this movie in its entirety, Yes, spoiling the shit out of it.

If you have not seen it, pause the podcast, go watch it, then come back to find out what we thought about it.

Mm hmm.

Please do and Hydroberg do you have a reach your own plot summary for us?

We all just had our little dance party we did.

How's watch them?

That is that it?

Man?

Oh?

Yes, Eatris is getting in on it too.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, Now I do have a retround.

I'm a little nervous though.

It's okay.

We're not gonna judge.

You don't don't figure out, don't you don't get your stomach and knots.

It's gonna his pants.

That's the scariest thing in this.

Waitab Yeah, I love how it just plays.

Wondering how that's gonna.

Play out anyway, let me uh, let me do my returround here before I ship myself, okay.

Red mist in the Wood, a young woman narrates a tale of what could be in between a prince and she, unaware of his name, but a voice and a shapeless flame.

In reality, she just a lame fantasy of what could be her mother to wed into another family.

Introduction to the grounds and those employ set in blush around stable boy, wedding night, dash out her joy, cut the cake, dismarriage, a mistake, take a piece to the face.

The Lord of the house dies, spitting blood in his daughter's eyes, his body on display their wedding night.

New sister, racked with grief, wants nothing more than for them to leave the dead lord.

Not as healthy or wealthy as perceived.

Her mother, overwhelmed with debt, inherited her future bleak.

Her daughter's looks a negative, can't wed them off.

Her options limited.

Elvirah, inquisitive as crier from the castle, pays a visit a ball at the castle with the prince exquisite Elvira Van's stepsister, the words joy elicit a bride to the prince at the ball to be picked his poetry in a book she equipped read countless times in between trips as mother looks for the perfect suitor in spite of lame daughter's sagging breast to secure her own future.

Elvirah living vicariously through her new sister.

From the next four full moons.

At the idea, Elvira swoons, a chance for her dream life looms, one of several virgins protecting asset.

Her mother brings her to plastic surgeon braces off from rhinoplasty.

The seventh version un DEUTOI, her younger sister in awe older sister's pain raw New Year's school has begun dancing lessons for ball.

Elviras spun sent to the back of the class, no fun.

Agnes's father rots in the next room, where Rebecca spends her money on the daughter she grooms.

As the date of the Prince's ball looms, true love exists, Elvira's name on the list, her stepsister pissed blue dress she must fit in, treats smuggled from the kitchen.

Mother's success relies on this hitching.

It's what's inside that counts.

A special knight filled with lords, barons and counts.

Pressure to perform mounts, tapeworm egg to be swallowed thin her out from the inside.

Hollow.

Sister thinks she awfully shallow.

Elvira cries out to Almah not to cause drama with Mama.

A glimpse at the prince hunting in the woods her sight makes him WinCE.

Stepsister Agnes caught taking a roll in the hay, to Rebecca's dismay.

The fornicatter banished away the guard to her new nose, untied, eating what she wants as tapeworm grows inside a ugly duckling now a swan before her eye, fancy dress fittings, Elvira winning her head spinning.

Rebecca has other ways of paying.

Fairy God make ITTs, mending dresses, her father's death and jealousy sending her over the edge, a brushy lending her waistline's small bell of the ball dissolution cushions her fall.

Men cueued up for a dance to have her hand.

Cinderella shows, blowing her chance.

Tapeworm rears its ugly head, making her sick, picking up eggs.

Midnight rings.

As Cinderella runs away, the Prince yells weight to whomever fits into this slipper, as shall marry Elvira consumed it's scary.

Her mother still holds intentions to marry any Paul Dick or Harry.

Elvira driven to last measure to fit into glass shoes, she will sever her little piggies great pain.

She weathers her mother just as insane.

The wrong foot cut in vain.

We feel her pain.

Eggs come out and vomit.

Prince arrives as promised, recites a penile sonnet as a Vira hobbles down the stairs Cinderella's stairs, not a care in the air, white light basting over her in the doorframe.

Elvira's conditioning to blame Alma.

Not wanting to play this game, Elvira takes the antidote.

Alma helps pull tapeworm goat out of her sister's throat.

Trumpets blow, Cinderella leaves with her mister she fit the slipper, all of it in vain for the ugly stepsister.

God, just hearing that all described back wins and over again.

There's so much moments.

Yeah, yeah, okay, at that moment.

Yeah.

So, so here's my thing is that since Disney characters have become public domain, they've done this really shitty job of like making make me a Mickey Mouse or Winnie the Poop.

This was done well, well.

This isn't necessarily public domain property because it's it's like, it's not right.

It's not specifically a takeoff on the Disney version.

It's it's a you know, there are versions of it though, like like like the maggots mending the dress, they're kind of like the birds.

Yeah, there's those.

It's why they were able to repair the dress.

But they're coming out of the fathers, their maggots, which was like, yeah, I don't know.

There was a lot of homage to it.

I mean, like the plo like sash and she was dress and.

That's some obvious stuff.

Yeah, there were references to it, but I don't think it I don't think it would violate.

I don't think that's in public domain yet, so I don't I.

Went to this as well, the same and other than the name like ugly Stepsesster, which I got, like, I didn't know if it was Cinderella on.

I didn't know much about that going in.

I had read a blurb a in the newspaper.

There was a little sidebar on you know, recent horror that was good and so of course, you know, I'm always interested in that, and this was one of them that was listed and it was just a little blurb but just said something like a family seeking to reverse their fortunes, you know, pins their hopes on there on an unattractive daughter in the lengths she'll go to to become pretty or whatever.

Like.

Yeah, So that was that was all I really knew going into it.

But I mean that's pretty obvious, Like that's not giving anything away.

I feel like, you know, the movie is not subtle in criticizing the pressure to live up to beauty standards.

Yeah, and the conditioning as well, and how it's passed down too, you know, from mother to daughter because of society pushing it on the elder, who now pushes it on because she and then like relying on her the mother relying on her looks to secure her future and the pressures of that, and then relying on her daughter like putting pressure on her now because of that.

And yeah, I started like, at first it was like, Okay, it's ugly step sister story.

I was picking up the fairytale vibes, and then yeah, I started picking up more of that deeper message of like, you know, womanhood and just like what the length someone might go through and how how unhealthy it is.

There was a story with the other stepsister is that she hadn't become a woman yet, she hadn't had her menstruation yet, and they showed that later in the movie.

The one thing I actually really appreciated about this movie is that it kind of showed, you know, the darker side of what was going on rather than the cartoon that that you know, the stepmom was.

Actually she was very promiscuous, like she's looking for her own meal ticket.

I guess, or.

She's aging and she's trying to find you know, this was it, This was the guy?

I think, yeah, so so yeah.

I mean, I think there's a couple of different you know, a couple of different things that are being critigued here.

So I mean, I think the more obvious one is about like the sickness that of the pressure to adhere to beauty standards.

And it's not just you know, nineteenth century Europe, I mean sort of across all times and cultures.

But one interesting thing I think is that it I think one of the things this movie is showing us is that it doesn't necessarily turn us as women against the men who create those standards.

It actually teaches us that beauty is a ero sum game where the prize is like male attention or acceptance in society.

And so we cannibalize each other, like we turn against each other because we see it as a ero sum game, like this is my competition, yea.

You know, if there's a woman that's prettier than me, that's my competition, so I have to so right, and so like if she wins, that's a loss for me, you know what I mean.

And my family in this situation.

Right, and so that's kind of my next point.

But and so we turn against each other, Like Alvira doesn't even stop fantasizing about the prince even after he behaves really like in a very ugly.

Way, enamored by him.

Because of the rejection, it's almost like more, yeah, she seeks the attention, Well, yeah, she.

She continues to daydream and fantasize about him and read the poetry.

It doesn't it doesn't impact her view of him in the slightest, but it makes her more competitive and more snotty against Agnes because that's her competition.

And Agnes is not a villain in this story, but she is competition to Alvira in her eyes, and so she must be cut down in Elvira's view and in the mother's view.

And so she so poor Agnes, she gets treated like scum and she doesn't do anything wrong in this movie.

You know why, I wait a minute.

I like the way they built up to that though, is that they you know she she's yeah, she a virgin?

Was she hold on?

She was?

Because that was.

That was the first time.

No, no, no, no, that I don't think that was like incourse.

Oh you think that was the butt.

I think, so they did focus on the.

They focused on her rear.

And bent over you could see her vagina and we.

Could, but I thought she had a butt plug again for a minute, and like an old fashioned one.

Well, I don't think it's clear either way.

But nonetheless she engaged right.

Right, you know, I don't know.

I think I think because she needed to stay a virgin.

That's why she did it, you know, with the stable boy, they got it.

She actually I just took it as this just proved that she wasn't a virgin.

If he did it in the butt, then why do you pull out?

I think because viral viral.

We haven't seen Joe's like that since Infinity Pool.

Blew the load.

Man, I don't think it matters one way or the other whether she was technically a virgin like a vaginal.

It matters to the Prince, and so it does.

The impact was that she was thrown out on her ear anyway, and so it doesn't it doesn't really matter, and it's not like she's it's not like she would tell.

It gave her a pretext to get rid of her.

But also it's not like she's going to tell the prince.

Well, I only did anal, so I think.

Should you could just lie Rebecca should have been more about keeping both horses in the race because she's the stepmom as well.

Like I feel like that could have still worked out.

You don't think maybe, I don't know.

I don't think so, because I think she I think she probably correctly presumed that Agnes would have no sense of loyalty to her.

I mean they only just got they had been married for like five minutes, and I don't think Agnes had any like great respect for Rebecca.

I don't think if she came into some kind of fortune that she.

Would share in at the beginning, she did like she would still one who tried to tell her dad like, don't put the cake in your wife's face, and then so instead he throws it at fucking what's her name like he has I don't want to.

I don't think she has any like familial love to so that she's like.

Here, no, no, she shared my fortunes.

I mean, the dad is rotting out in the ship and Agnes has to go out and and see that her dad.

They didn't bury, I know.

But there she does.

It's rose.

The noise to this just good audio in this movie, like the noise of the flies, like you hear it the moment, it's just like the tapeworm.

But no, I can't blame her one iota for being disgusted with this family and for the mother's total focus on, you know, transforming Alvira and totally ignoring the other responsibilities and financial duties that she has, especially to bury her damn husband.

Like that's sick.

That's sick.

But but like kind of going back to what I was saying, So I think that's like one of the one of the worst things about the whole this whole system of beauty standards that we have in this movie shows this is that it forces women to turn on each other, you know what I mean.

And even when we're not doing that, even when women aren't, you know, turning on each other, we still often help each other in this sickness and hydroburg You were talking about this that women pass it down to each other, right and and it and it seems like goodwill, and we're conditioned to think that we're helping you know, other women and girls.

Like the headmistress of the finishing school, she actually does I think she has goods.

In a way too, because she presents her too well in the end, I feel like she presents her as a like, oh, look at my hard work.

This is what I can do, and then she's like trying to get her a suit like I felt like she's almost like pimping her in a way or showing her I.

Don't know, she was showing her real kindness.

And then she puked those fucking eggs, and I felt like there should have been a scene with a madam came up and scooped up those eggs.

I thought so too.

Again, Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know.

I thought she was showing her real kindness.

I thought she was trying to comfort her after she felt totally rejected, and she was like, you have talent, and you're beautiful, Like you're beautiful on the inside.

You're just trying to, you know, make your outsides match what you are on the inside.

And of course that comes back around later.

But I think I interpreted this as she was showing her genuine kindness or attempting to anyway.

But she's also the one who gives her this tapeworm egg, which is of course harmful to her, and you know that's that's like sick to pass this on to each other.

But even beyond this, and you guys touched on this already, beyond like the sickness of the beauty standards.

I think what this story really reveals is the historical economic oppression of women because the situation that women have too often found themselves in, and this story, you know, of course, is I think, like nineteenth century Europe.

But they must like marry well to have any hopes of a decent future.

Without that, they don't have any financial prospects.

That's the whole reason that she's in this situation, that she feels this urgent need to transform herself in time for this ball.

It's because the end to the mother and the daughters and even Agnes like their financial futures depend on this because they don't have any independent means.

They don't have a way to earn money for themselves.

They can't be independent.

This is all they have.

So if this goes wrong for them, there's nothing, there's nothing for them.

But the moms condition the girls to be like this, like so the mom.

That's the way women have to be in a way themselves.

That world.

I mean, you could see her or just maybe those relationships didn't work.

I questioned whether if she had poisoned the guy in the beginning, because the way she i coughed up blood it was just so sudden.

I was like, I mean, tuberculosis is definitely.

Yeah, I guess so it looks hard for a minute, and I've just never seen blood come out like that.

So did you guys get confused about like the timeframe of this movie because it was like the doctor, the plastic surgeon was wearing gloves and they had syringes and everything like that.

I don't know, but those scenes were uncomfortable.

Yeah, the nose job moment, not the braces really so much, but the fucking nose job and the pause in between ye the hit and how like pleasant He's trying to like, oh, you know, and like he reminded me a little bit of the doctor from Cuckoo.

Uh.

Later on when he's like some of this new cocoa leaf anesthesia.

Uh, and then he does a little bit off the it's a little bit like that's food the surgical stuff in this game.

In this movie, there's a there's a realistic nature to the that's not grow, it's not you know, it's grotesque in a way, but it's not.

It's not exploitative or I feel like it's just just right.

It gave us the first taste of a body orr in this movie.

You know, he did put the cocaine over her eyelids as she's like, he's sewing the eyelashes on.

But it goes to prove what Jacquelin's saying is like the measures, something like, well, how far was the go just to achieve this this you know man, this thing that she's made up in her head too.

It's not even a real man, it's just a vision.

Yeah.

Well, so it's two things.

It's that she has to marry this man in order to have any kind of future.

I mean literally, they'll be out in the street if this doesn't work.

And second of all, the idea that the only way for her to attract and get this man is to become attractive.

Those are the two sicknesses.

Here is the economic imperative and also the complete reliance on appearance.

There's no discussion of character, there's no discussion of love whatsoever.

Those are luxuries that cannot be afforded in this.

World, right, not to a woman.

No, absolutely not, absolutely not.

But It's like it's just accepted all the way around by every character here that the prince is gonna choose his bride based on her appearance.

Well he does, he does.

It's just not really because like like Cinderella is wearing a like a net when she's dipped.

Yeah, like he can see her.

But I mean I was.

Waiting for that and like there to be maggots eating her face because she fell asleep on her dead dad's fucking body and envision this fake this I was waiting for, like the the the what's it called moment, like from the substance almost where it's like in her head she looks beautiful.

She comes in as a Cinderella.

But I mean, let's be honest, those gus aren't gonna fix a dress.

That's really weird.

Fantasy, Uh it is whatever, but it's really maggots in the story in her mind, maybe it's silkworms or in the fantasy moment.

She literally has a repaired dress.

In reality, but that's fantasy.

But I was to seem like a fairy tale and then the reality of it is really like, oh shit, she's just fell asleep with maggots all over her face, Like the reality of what people see.

So because this movie is basically set in a realistic tone until that moment where like the silkworms fix her dress.

Well, I think there is a magical element to it.

Her mother comes to her, that's like her fairy godmother's I think that's like a little.

Bit of magic.

Well, when you watch the fucking cartoon, like, that's the same thing.

By maggots, it's maggots, Jacqueline, you're eating maggots.

No, what I'm saying is like things are like fairly like Cinderella's living in like a harsh reality, and then she has a merit of a magical very godmother.

That's what happens here.

Then it magically gets fixed.

That's what happens.

It's Cinderella.

Man, Well that's a different movie.

They were like very nice homages because it was that it was like at midnight, your your carriage will turn it into a pumpkin, and then you see a pumpkin sitting right there as as a viral comes home.

That's awesome.

You know what happens after mint, you know, let it all hang out.

Speaking of there's some donk swinging in this movie.

Oh my god, I appreciate that.

Yeah, yeah, director, she was she she was not afraid to show ship.

Let's not leave it all to female genitals, like we can have some males as well.

And the transformation that the ugly stepsister does make.

I don't know if she gained weight and then lost it or what happened, but there is a transformation.

How did they do that?

I want that was a different actress.

It looked natural to me.

I don't think really, oh my god, version of.

Her as Yeah, I got the vibe that she actually it was a different actress.

Reminded me of the actress from Ginger Snaps a little bit.

Yeah, Katherine Isabelle.

Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

I have to say if I could share a little something personally, I felt very triggered by this movie, but in a way that also allowed me to connect and also allowed me to question some things in myself.

I did.

Actually I was a very very, very unattractive like child and adolescent.

I will trust people always say, oh no, you just trust.

Me, just you don't have you got to come see the baby.

Just trust I will show you pictures from like seventh grade.

It's not good.

But so I was very insecure about my looks.

But at the same time, I had this friend through elementary school and middle school and she was absolutely the most beautiful girl like that has ever lived.

I'm convinced, And in fact, the reason I was thinking of her during this movie is she looks pretty much exactly like the actress who played Agnes.

Oh wow, it is uncanny.

I will send you, guys pictures and I think you will agree she looks exactly like her.

And I was like, oh Jesus, I was like having these flashbacks, Yeah.

Send me pictures.

Will I will, I will, I will, and I will send you pictures of me at the same period of time and you will be like, oh ooh.

But and she was a really nice person as well.

She was never mean to me.

She was she was my friend, you know, and our moms were friends, so we would like hang out.

We had totally different social circles, as you might expect, but she never like treated me like differently or made fun of me or anything like that like some other people did.

But you know, she like she would hang out with me and not act.

Like it was, you know, made funny.

Tell me, now make a list.

It'll be a list.

It would be like all right, you ready, I'm ready.

It's a long list.

But like I just looking back on it, I can see how just that friendship and my compulsion to compare myself to her created a lot of like negative self talk and like poor self image.

And it was not through anything that she did at all.

It was completely my own doing, which shows like how sick and brainwashed I was.

But like she, I mean, she never went through like an awkward, ugly phase.

She was always like I knew her from kindergarten through high school.

She was always like pretty and perfect and like you know, kind of no nope, nope, thank you, but nope.

But like she was like an early bloomer.

And I mean, at age twelve, I mean she looked like the girl in this movie.

I meanwhile, looked like a cricket.

Like I was like scrawny and skinny with like no shapeliness.

I had like a huge nose and Groucho Mark's eyebrows and braces and frizzy hair.

I mean, it was just horrible.

And I have learned some plucking techniques, some hair now grooming techniques you know, in my adolescence that have served me well.

Sorry, that was my accident.

I really didn't mean to do that.

It was perfect.

I just saw a picture of me from seventh grade.

That's the reaction.

It's okay, he wouldn't be the first.

I'm sorry.

But and so, first of all, just seeing this actress, I was like, oh my god, like total flashback to middle school.

But also it just kind of showed me and it made me feel a little bit sad for my younger self.

That It's like, I I realized looking back how ingrained those things were and me that I hated myself so much because I looked so much worse than this girl.

And I, you know, there was not like I didn't even see her as competition.

Like I was not in the game for any kind of male attention or social acceptance at all.

I was way way beyond that.

But but it just it's like made me sad for younger me, and I like, I just hope that, you know, mothers are raising their daughters differently nowadays, and I certainly intend to raise mind differently.

And you know, also being like ethnic, uh in a in a predominantly white, you know, group of children, it's you know, it makes.

You be standards as well.

Ye yeah girl, you.

Know, yeah, beauty.

There's a lot of like commentary on that.

And you know, there's like a lot of my features that I hated.

We were like, you know, ethnic features that were kind of specific to to me, and so it was it was like a hard you know, I felt very connected to this movie for some of those reasons, but it also like made it a harder watch for me because it's like we live that, Like we we.

Live that to talk about what you're saying.

Also, I feel like it does speak on like you can't rush these things too, like it takes time to blossom.

Everybody blossoms differently.

Like you said, you're a friend who was like seemed like she was perfect from birth whatever, but like some people like you literally can't like, don't go on to the knife.

Don't make rash decisions based on things that you don't fully understand yet because you haven't grown yet.

Especially when the beauty, well, in this society, she doesn't have a choice, you know what I mean, because of the pressure is put on her.

But you know, nowadays you at least have more choice.

You don't need to do these things, these rash issues.

It's just well I did go on.

I did go on to have a nose job at age seventeen, and like, I have mixed feelings about that, Like part of me is glad and part of me regrets it.

So it's a complicated thing.

I have no judgments.

If that made you feel better, if that was something you wanted to do, right, I think seventeen is a decent age to do that, too bad Jack regardless, Oh thank you.

My mom was supportive because she saw how often I would come home crying and like hating myself and just obsessing, and you know, she was, well, thank you.

She she never brought it up.

My parents never, but they weren't like, oh, you need to do something about you like it completely Again, it came from me because I was so like those those ways of thinking were so ingrained to me that I was like, I hate this nose.

I want to do something about it.

And my mom was supportive of that.

So and she was right to do.

That, you know.

Yeah, it all comes from parenting, though, you know, I think we were all bullied, like sharing a relible story to me, like like I was a little short, chubby.

Kid and the same story.

Yeah, and it's just like I got picked on, I got bullied.

I felt bad about myself.

But all of a sudden, you know, it's like I had this gross burd not to say I'm really tall, but it's like I had a gross burt and came into my own I got into sports.

I did this tattoos.

Oh yeah, like at eleven, I got tattooed.

Jack, I was on.

I was jacking off at eleven, but you got you were getting jacked.

I was jacking off at eleven as well, watching Adventure.

Yes, you were, as we all know.

Well, I hate that you guys went through that too, And I you know, I don't deny that men go through that sort of same pressure appearances, but I have to say I think it's a little bit less.

I think yes, because society is not.

It's different with the society thing like men are mean and kids are mean, right, but you know, I feel like girls squirrels are mean too.

I mean too.

But outside of that, you're still being hit through magazines and ads and society in general, still pushing on you.

Even if it's not coming from the home.

You know, it's still outside, you know, and especially nowadays with the Internet, it's just everywhere.

So sex sell.

Yeah, I think.

I think one of the most harmful things for me ever was reading those teen magazines and seeing all those pretty girls in the magazines and they give you all these tips on like how to do your hair and how to do your makeup and how to camouflage things on your body with this kind of clothing or whatever, and it's like it seems like harmless fun, but I think it's really toxic.

And I I don't even know if knowledge or tips without being conditioned, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, I don't.

I don't know if those magazines even earist anymore, but if they do, Samarah them.

Ye, Jacqueline, And just real quick like personal question, like with your kids getting older, do you see that still?

Yeah, my oldest actually my son has had some barbs thrown at him at school for certain aspects of his appearance.

And I mean, I might be biased, but I think he's a really handsome kid.

But still, just you know, kids, thank you, Kids find things to pick on, and he's he's gotten hurtful comments and come home feeling bad about this thing or that thing, and you know he's not even hit puberty yet, and you know, things get awkward for most kids and puberty, and so I'm just you know, I can only try to give him the best sell all of them, you know, the strongest self esteem that I can and teach them to not care what other people say.

But you know, it's no I think he's a little I mean I shared a little bit about getting bullied for my pans.

Yeah, the first time he came home talking about that, I was like, yeah, that used to happen to me a lot too, and you know, kind of talk him through that and like it's okay to have hurt feelings, but at the end of the day, the only opinion.

That matters is yours.

And you know, to me, kids who are going to say mean things about your appearance or think that, you know, think this or that about you, that just shows me how ugly they are.

I didn't say that, I you know, I was trying to talk about the difference between you know, attractive on the outside versus attractive on the inside, and to me, people who act like that are ugly on the inside and that's the worst thing.

So well that that also brings up that's a great segue into inside, right, that also brings up like like like what the assistant says to el Vira, it's like, you're just trying to bring the beauty on the outside, So keep doing this.

Yes.

Oh, by the way, we touched on the the madam or whatever of the school whatever's mistress, head mistress.

Yes, she's gorgeous, madam.

Oh my god, that's a gorgeous woman.

She's spectacular.

Yeah, yeah, she really was.

And I got vibes a little bit of what's it called Suspiri, A little bit from the dance.

Oh yeah, there's like elements of horror to this movie that are subtle too, like but played up fantasy as well, like when she's grooming them of how to fan themselves when they leave the room, and so every girl's doing the same exact motion.

They're all taught the same exact thing to charm these men.

It's so like, yeah, just like what really, what is this?

And it's such a weird thing too, a period thing too obviously, But and so.

That's the thing is like charm is supposed to come from a place of uniqueness, Like if you find someone charming, that.

Means there's something unique about that, Like how.

Can you find anything that's literally a robotic movement that everybody does exactly exactly.

So I do like it that there is the character of what is her name?

Is it Alma the younger sister.

Yeah, yes, she's kind of the reality check voice, like when she sees what.

I think that's a saldarity between women too.

She represents that because she doesn't give up on her sister.

I love that.

I love that that she's constantly like, why are you doing that?

That's sick?

Stop, like don't do that.

And then she's the one to kind of help her, help and lead her away at the end.

And so I appreciate that that character is there and occupies that role.

There is eight characters.

Her hair changes eight times during the movie too.

I don't know if she had to pull back, but the one thing she's got a fro, I was like, where did the hair come from?

Like pulled back, very tightly.

Right haired stepchild.

Yeah.

I like that too, Like she didn't buy into that shit, you know, she hadn't bought in yet.

Did you like the cinematography and everything about this movie?

I love the score, the choreography, the cinematography.

I like, to me, this was one of the most beautiful movies I've seen in a long long time.

You know what.

It reminded me of perfume a little bit.

Oh yeah, yeah, Well it was like just a period film.

It has realistic, sort of gross scory moments that aren't overly played.

They're just but they're proper.

They also fit the setting and then the period too, Like there's fucking gross shit that just without putting any sugar on it.

It's just gross when you show it, and then you know the state that it would have been in reality.

Yeah.

The one thing I really loved about it was when Elvira was having these fantasies about the Prince.

You know, it was just like it was foggy y.

Yes, I loved it.

That's that's the right word.

Yeah, it was so it was so good.

It felt like a dream.

It felt like a day dream or or a fantasy, you know, like.

A Rococo painting.

Yeah, a little bit.

There's moments and censor and like the woods.

Yeah, delighting because totally Yeah that was going to be Sorry, go ahead.

What I was going to say is a callback to the substance.

I said that skincare reminded me of the substance.

No, this reminded me of the substance.

I was.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

I think if I'm not I'm not condoning the idea of an American remake of this movie.

But if there were, I feel like the director to do it might be Sophia Coppola.

Oh ship, yeah, yeah, as long as Blumhouse does not predict Yeah.

I feel like she would maybe throw a modern soundtrack on there.

There were some there were some moments of that, although they didn't go very far in this movie, where there was kind of like a beat drop yeah, during the grooming moments modern music.

But I feel like I feel like Sophia would make like the colors really pop in this movie, and like it would look.

I think it would look really pretty in its own way, and she would have like a banging soundtrack, and I feel like she would do an amazing job.

Pop version of Moonlight Sonata, because that that song is in this movie, right, Moonlight Sonata.

I don't know I hear that.

I think so often all the time that I don't know where I hear it where.

I know we were talking those like misty moments, the hazy moments when like they're in white and like they're on the horse.

It reminded me so much of Rob Zombie's fucking Halloween too.

Little.

It was a fantasy, you know, Sherry Moon.

It did not remind you of Halloween.

That was but but that was more organic, made that up.

But like an hour and so I gotta get it in.

You gotta get it in.

But I don't know.

So I don't know about you guys, but I have to say that at the end of the day, I did not see the mother even as a villain in this.

Now she's just exactly and so, and it kind of made me, Yeah, that's the thing, is like the villain here is the is really the I mean, it sounds so cliche and I kind of makes it cringe to even say it, but it's like the society it is.

It is though, I mean it sounds stupid, but it really is.

And that's the villain in this.

And the women seem to make bad choices here and like there seems to be harmful you know, behavior being passed from women to women here, and that's true, but that is a survival technique in this society, and I see them as victims of it, not the perpetrators.

And it this sounds silly, but it even makes me like I was thinking about the Disney version that I grew up on, Like you know, a lot of us saw it back then, but I that was one of my favorite movies when I was a child.

Again, that was my even that even that fucking cartoon that was like my beauty standard.

There were no princesses that looked like me, and so like when I was with the Friends Latin, It's like that didn't come out until I was in middle school.

But that's why Aladdin meant so much to me.

It's like, finally there was a princess that I could relate to.

But I couldn't be Cinderella.

I couldn't even be snow white.

She had dark hair, but she was white white, and I didn't look like that white white but so white.

But so I look back on that Cinderella movie, the Disney movie, and you know, I even see that so called wicked stepmother and the ugly stepsisters differently now, Like if we're considering them in like nineteenth eighteenth or nineteenth century France, trying to survive in a society alone as with four women, like I sort of now can almost rethink, can rethink the point of view of those women and the urgency that the mother might have felt in trying to marry off her daughters so that they could have prospects for a secure future.

But she was and of course you would favor your biological daughters over your stepdaughter, who you see the threat because she's more beautiful.

So you know, it kind of like it kind of reframes even the cartoon for me, and that sounds silly, but it's true.

And that's the thing, Jacqueline, You're absolutely right, because the mother's like trying to do the best for her kids, you know, and and she realizes that that Alvira has this you know, passion for this prince reading his poetry, and it's just like, I'm going to do everything i can for you to get to that point.

However, she's also being promiscue, not in a bad way, but she's also meeting these lords and these dukes and stuff like that and having sex with them.

And then it's just like, you know, I'm trying to do what's best for my family.

She's usually what.

She's got, y, Yeah, those are the tools, are the tools that women had.

So the stepdaughter is just like a throwaway character, is like no, no, no, you're going to be our servant now.

It was interesting to me that the switch to in the story of how they're building up the ugly stepsister, like she's becoming Cinderella, and then they kind of give you this well wait, wait, we do have a Cinderella in the story.

It was Agnes all along, not the Cinderella.

Yeah.

And I think the reason is that Alvirah she internalizes these attitudes and she you know, at first it feels like she's being subjected to them against her will.

But then she seems to become ever more obsessive, and she even takes that she even eats that tapeworm egg without her mother's knowledge.

Yeah, and I think that she gradually becomes more and more self obsessed and more and more contemptuous towards Agnes, seeing her correctly as stiff competition, but she allows allows herself to kind of rot from the inside and she starts treating her like shit, like she is not pretty on the inside anymore.

I think she when at the beginning of the movie, I do see her as a very sweet and sympathetic character, like I feel for her.

She's she seems to be like innocent and hopeful and wanting to please and wanting to do her best.

And she is like wounded when she's rejected because of her appearance.

And I think she undergoes this transformation.

Where as she becomes more attractive on the outside, I think she becomes uglier on the inside because a she's starting to feel maybe a little bit superior, like she beats you know, she's beating out the girls for the dance thing, and and she has the power through her mother.

It's really because of her mother.

But subjugate, I don't secret.

Let it be a bomb drop later that the mom paid for her to get out.

Oh about that, I don't care about that, but that she but that, you know, the mother has forced Agnes to like basically be a servant in the house and has is trying her best to tamp down her prospects in favor of her own daughters.

And I think, you know, Alvira gets kind of drunk on that, and you know, she feels like, oh, I can eat whatever I want.

I'm gonna be skinny, and.

Agnes has to wait on me, and and so yeah, she becomes so snobby and disrespectful and just ugly on the inside, and so I think that's interesting because by the end of the movie, I was reminded of that comment from the headmistress when she says, you're just trying to match what's on the outside to what's on the inside.

Well, by the end, it's the opposite.

Like she's ugly on the inside and she has lost her newfound beauty.

You know, she's thrown up the tapeworm, she's knocked a tooth out, she's broken her nose, and it's all bent off to the side.

And once again, her outsides do match her insides.

But she finds a different look right at the very end, like by just being okay in her own skin, even though at this point, like you said, she's run herself into like this muck of a character where she's just cut her toes off and she's missing teeth, But because of the love from her sister, it's like she has some hope again.

I guess, you know, she's sort of like she's playing with her sister.

She looks like a humpback where she's sort of like her sister's riding her or something or helping her downstairs.

It was just like she's having a moment of fun again.

In a moment that looks awful to us the viewer, but it is a turn for her character, which I'll be honest, there aren't that many likable characters in this movie, but as we talk about it, their plight is understanding, Like I get it, yes, But at the same time, like maybe even Agnes, she's not played necessarily evil or bad like that.

There's not too much jealousy involved, and even for a minute there it seems like it seems like the ugly stepsister what's her name?

What the fuck is her name?

El?

I don't know how Yeah, I keep I keep having to think about it.

There's a moment where like she's not even being that much of an asshole to Agnes or seeing her as competition, until like you said, she starts getting a little cocky.

Because there's a moment where she peeks and everything seems to be working out, like the tape worm's working out.

She looks hot, her body's like thin, she's fucking, her breast look bigger, she's you know, her arms are toner, she her teeth are nice.

Now, she's got all her lashes in like but then it starts taking its toll.

The tapeworm was a bad decision.

It's her hair starts thitting, like fucked up things start happening.

So I kind of like that how it just starts going downhill, and for Agnes it just kind of stays the same.

She It comes effortlessly to Agnes because he's not like yeah.

And you can see the resentment there.

I mean, I think that's part of it too, is just resentment that she didn't have to try hard.

And I'll admit that's kind of how like I was never mad at my friend, you know, back in those days, and like I said, she was never mean to me, but I was just so envious and it felt like a poison inside of me that I was like upseting over, like why did she win this genetic lottery?

Why does she get to look like that with no effort?

And here I am looking like a bug, like it's not fair?

And uh so, I like I can see how she would feel resentful, but then take that out on her, like she doesn't keep it inside like I did.

I think she's taking out that resentment on her.

And I almost wonder if like the tapeworm like that when she eats that tapeworm egg, that's almost like symbolic of her beginning to internalize this and start ribbing.

Focus on the egg.

Yeah, start rotting from the inside, and it's it's going to grow and germinate inside of her until it's a full, full fledged monster.

I thought there was a moment when she was going to pull out her intestines.

I thought that's what was coming out at the very end, And I also got City of the Living Dead vibes.

Yeah, barfing up her owne and like intestine Hydroberg.

How did you feel about that tapeworm pulling scene and how did you feel about it?

Thinking about you, it was gross.

There's plenty of scenes that are just awkward and hard to like look at in this movie, and that was one of them.

It didn't really trigger my thing, unless if some of her hair that was falling out kind of twined in it.

Okay, it's a hair thing.

It's just hair coming out of the mouth, not not necessarily other long stringing objects.

Yeah, it didn't.

It didn't bother me as much.

About you guys.

Yeah, Like anytime you pull something out of your mouth like that, it's.

Just there was a moment of funniness when it just like was wiggling out the front and you're like, is that what I think it is?

And you're like, yeah, remind me of it's gonna be poison.

Hello, hello, hell right, I'm gare.

Please.

Yeah.

So I mean, maybe we can talk about some of those gross out scenes a little bit, because like the tapeworm scene, to me, that was kind of I don't know what was worse that or the toes or the nose or the eyelashes, but that was But the tapeworm scene was pretty intense.

And it was one thing when it was just like pulling out the skinny tapeworm, like that was bad enough.

But I thought that was going to just end, but no, and then it led to like a huge, fucking like pile of mama miky wormy things.

It was just hideous.

Oh that's the part that really made my stomach turn.

M with the eggs when they're spinning her around and they're talking about like do you like oysters?

Do you like this?

And she's getting sick and the food she said and hallucinate, like all the food looks rancid.

God.

Yeah, people are like licking their treats, like I believe that that one guy was licking his fucking custard that way on purpose.

He was just a pervert.

He was looking at the young women, but then everybody else started doing it.

It reminded me of that scene in Company of Wolves, where like the dinner table just went like fucking like mayhew.

Yeah, So yesterday was actually a terrible day for me to watch that movie because we took the kids to this local theme park.

It's like train themed Tapeworm and yep, oh boy, and the kids are getting old enough now to get to go on some of the bigger rides, you know, and so they wanted to go on all these like really intense like spinning rides and roller coasters and stuff.

Roller coasters don't bother me, but like, as I'm in my forties now, spinning rides made me feel not so great and so and they kept wanting to go on them over and over and over and over again.

Like one or two times, I was fine, but after four or five times, like I really, I was like this close to throwing up and Joey and Joey did something with one of the kids while I did something with the other two, and we both kind of run.

We met up after we did our rides.

Both of us were like green around the gills, were like, it's time to go home.

We can't, we can't do it.

And we both got home still feeling quite ill.

And then I had to watch this shit.

I'm sorry, Jeline, I am so sorry.

But no, it was good.

It was good.

It was good.

Yeah, that does fuck up your equilibrium, but yeah, it's like anything.

I don't know if there's anything that really like bothered me.

I was really surprised by the NWDY scenes because it was very graphic.

Yeah, I mean, I mean we know that bothers j John.

Well, I'll tell you it was actually necessary for the movie, though, so you think I thought.

It was tasteful.

I liked the moment of her sitting down like eating and you see a little bit of you know, her chub and her button.

I just thought, show you say chub.

I saw no chob, like bas a.

Little bit of her stomach before the tapeworm.

Stomach looks like that when you're sitting down.

I haven't exactly exactly.

I thought your body was beautiful, just how it was.

I'm not saying it wasn't.

I think she was striking.

I like it.

I liked her eyes.

Gorgeous, and that's that.

And that's the sad.

Thing is like she was gorgeous.

So many, so many girls and women who really are beautiful are just trained to believe that they're not.

And it's just because they're holding themselves up to a different standard that they don't need to be.

Just be yourself and grow into yourself and you will be a beautiful person.

Well, it was.

It was so misogynistic.

Where the you know, the prince is out there taking a whiz or something like that.

They're hunting birds or something like that with felven arrows and he looks up at her.

He's like, I wouldn't fuck that, And it's like what I.

Thought, for a moment he was just lying to his friends and that he did find her attractive.

There was going to be a moment where he was like, that's not.

But like at least he would at least have some taste.

Yeah, the point of the scene was like, like she was more insistent on becoming beautiful, so he does find her attractive.

And for a moment there it works until Cinderella shows up.

Yeah, that's true.

What a shallow himbo.

Yeah, she had a pick of other men as well.

She did they're all lining up.

Yeah, but her fantasy was the prince, I mean, and SHEI with his poetry.

And reading his poetry, and who writes his poetry?

Is it really him?

That's the thing.

What if they could have had a conversation.

What if she could have said, I've been reading her poetry.

It's really beautiful but also that right, meaningful poetry, And.

Well he doesn't because I like that moment between the two girls where she's like, it's a metaphor for his penis, dumb mass, Like, you don't it's not as beautiful as you think it is.

It's he's just talking about his dick, you know, in a beautiful way.

But yeah, and then I love that moment where she's like, this is my brush and you don't need it because your hair's falling out, you know, like bitch.

Between the films.

Yeah, I got saltburn vibes a little bit too from some of the stuff in this movie.

And like the idea of like unt want their guests overstaying the welcome sort of in a house where they don't belong, but trying to make their way there by any means mm hmm, masquerading.

Yeah, I really loved the fairy tale aspect of this, and it did hugh close to the you know, the story that we all know, but just from a different perspective, you know what I mean.

Uh, and with a little more kind of context.

I think, of course it's still a fairy tale.

It's not you know, there's no real like fairy Godmother, but I mean it's I think it's really beautiful.

And I'm glad you mentioned in the Company of.

Wolves because I like this sort of tail.

I like a darker twist on a fairy tale.

Now, the Grim's fairy tales are quite dark.

I don't know if you guys have ever read those, But in the original Grimm's version of Cinderella, the steps there's two stepsisters, and they do cut off their feet, like parts of their feet trying to fill like trying to fit the slippers.

Yeah, and so I thought that was a nice nod to the original, Like it is actually hewing close to the.

Bone the metaphor for like beauty standards, right, and being heavy despite your face basically just to fit into Yeah.

I still maintain that it makes you look at those villain you know, so called villainous characters a little bit differently.

These stepsisters and the stepmother even sympathetically.

Yeah.

Now granted they, like especially in the Disney one, they do act shitty as hell, like they're just absolute monsters.

Well that's so it plays up the you know, the fairy godmothers and the magical side, you know, so it's so alluring that other side, that she would be allured by that.

Yeah, So I there's a lot that I appreciate about this movie.

Hyderberg.

You mentioned like highs and lows, and I'd like to know kind of what your biggest complaints.

Well, so for me, when I meant like the horse dudo, it's sort of like the pacing, there's some moments of drag I felt.

I also, like I said, I didn't really I wasn't.

Like, guess, the story is compelling, but I wasn't.

The characters aren't as much like I'm not really drawn to any one character in particular.

It's not like a character study in the way where I'm like, nobody's that likable.

But like we're talking, you know, there's reasons for why.

You know, everybody's kind of out to do their their thing because of you know, the pressures put upon them.

So I mean, I'm not really judging the story based on that.

It was just sort of like my initial watch, it felt a little bit like, I feel like this could have hit a little bit better.

But as we're discussing it though, like I like the themes and I like that there's more to it.

It's deeper than just a fairy tale told darkly, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it does that as well, And so there's a millage if you will I play.

I loved the build of Elvira, you know, the fact that she is a beautiful person on the inside, even though she felt like she wasn't and then all of a sudden becoming ugly on the inside and beautiful on the outside.

I loved that dynamic and the story like to me that that's what really intrigued me.

And I like the fact that we took her perspective.

There's a moment where she doesn't recognize herself in the mirror.

It looks right.

The actress kind of showed portrays it.

I'll tell you that that kind of phenomenon happened to me after my nose job, and that's something nobody told me was going to happen, because you look at you know, your face, Yeah, your whole life.

You see the same face in the mirror, and then something about it drastically changed, Like this was not a slight reshape.

This was like a drastic change.

And nobody told me that.

I like, you would look in the mirror and feel like you were looking at an alien, Like, yeah, it's not the face you've looked at for seventeen years, and it's very jarring.

Very face off.

I was surprised that.

Yeah, during that moment too, where like where she gets the nose job and it does come out flawlessly, like it actually comes out good, which I was surprised.

She's not like mutilated under there or anything.

The mother picks the nose.

She has no saying it either, like the mother is the one that picks which one she gets number seven?

Oh that chisel, that chizzle.

Oh my god, that first hit and then it's like it lingers for a moment.

There's a little drip of blood and then you excruciating pain as it dawns on her.

How much it hurts.

I feel like, oh, well.

He did say like when he was taking out the braces, he's like, oh, this is the easy part, and she's just screaming.

She's a good screamer.

She's a really good screamer.

Her screams like her I was traded, like so much pain, like so much pain and anguish.

Yeah, it reminded me of Angela Bettis in May and her screams, you know, when she gets like the glass in her eye, or when at the very end she's like see me, because she's in so much emotional anguish, you know.

But I thought the screams were so just like they like just penetrated to my heart, and it's so it's so like particularly jarring because she's screaming in absolute anguish, and everybody else around her is like totally calm and like sort of unbothered by it, and the like the doctor is sort.

Of just keeping this cheerful like.

And the mother she's like hmm, yeah, there's no consist she's like, oh my baby, you know, she's just like, yeah, well it was the sister there for the nose.

Yeah, she was.

She looks in the other room and sees all the blood and the nurse cleaning up the blood, and she's sort of like, holy shit, Like she's the one who realizes, like you said, the voice of reason, like, this is what you're gonna do to yourself, Like, you know, but may I may not.

May Elvira doesn't.

She doesn't see any of that stuff because she's blinded by it, you know, and the the allure of what her mother's promising her.

This is the moment where I'm like, she's compliant here, Like she wants a nose job as much as her mother does, even though it's painful.

Uh, you know, she wants to look beautiful, even though she already does, she just doesn't.

It takes time.

The braces would have come off over time, the nose would have changed, probably your face would have filled in, like all those things would have changed as she grew into her you know, her womanhood.

But mom wants to rush so she can be appealing.

Well, there's a deadline, you know, there is a yeah, exactly, so there's a there's a looming.

This is a message movie without being a heavy handed message movie.

It's in a funny way.

Well it's not heavy handed, is what I mean.

So it's not it's not overly heavy.

I mean you could obviously, it's not.

It's surface level.

At the same time, there's some depth there and I like that they, like you said, you, they package it up with like a fairy tale.

Yeah, I think it's obvious, but not that's insulting to your intelligence, you know, And it's obviousness, it's not ham fisted.

I agree.

So yeah, I love the way that the director made uh a vibral look at the end just so hideous.

Mm hmmm when she like falls down the stairs.

I love that moment of realization where yeah, she's pathetic because she cuts off the wrong fucking toes, the wrong.

Side them done well, because.

That's where her mother decides, fine, we're going to go through with it.

You know what, You've got a good idea here.

And that's where the sister don't like realize we got to get you the fuck out of here, Like this is instead of consoling you.

Right now, your mother is willing to cut off your other fucking foot and we watch it happen.

It's tough, and the toes just go, dude, and they go down the row of the piggy.

That's that's what made me cringe the most.

It was just like you seem kind of bent over because she couldn't finish the job.

She couldn't finish the job so tough.

Yeah the movie at the.

End, yeah, Alm the Caesar, Mom giving up low job at the end.

Mm hmmm, gotta do it.

That was tough.

See that's the moment where it's it nails in the you know and hammers at home.

But like Mom's she's gotta do it.

You guys are leaving the other meal, ticket's gonna leave and she's probably gonna be by herself now or whatever's gonna happen.

So this young guy suit her.

You know, she's gonna go through with it.

Well, and so I wonder what the few, like if we were going to see an extension, And no I'm not arguing for a sequel, but I'm saying no, if we if this were real life and we were going to get a little extension.

What happens?

Well, no, like what what really would happen to these characters?

Like we feel hopeful when we see Alma and Alvirah riding off to the you know, their freedom, but like, really, what kind of life are they going to live?

Are they going to be like wood woods witches and just like have a little hut?

Like what are they seriously?

Like, what are they going to do?

That's because you feel this moment of hopefulness, but at the same time, it's like it's just been hammered home to us that they don't have any financial prospects.

So I really wonder, like.

If this were reality, like what how would they survive and how would they live?

And the mother, Yeah, maybe she would end up in a brothel somewhere running a brothel maybe.

Yeah.

Did you get the sense too that the the headmistress and the dancer they had something going on there?

Yes, yeah, I would have loved an extra scene that I'm.

Sure you would.

Yeah, I'm just kidding, y'all ready to do some reviews or to touch on at this one had two teas, the other one only had one tea.

So yeah, I wonder if this was like Norwegian and the other was Swedish the other was Swedish.

I'm pretty sure so, but I don't know if this one.

I know at least one of the actresses was Norwegian.

This seemed to be kind of a multi like international kind of collaboration.

There was like Swedish input, Norwegian, Polish, uh, you know, in terms of the production and so.

Yeah, like the way the head mistress was talking, it almost sounded like Germany.

I don't know.

I thought I heard some French, but I'm not even sure, not enough to do it.

So is there anything else should we go into our reviews?

Let's do it right, John?

Yeah?

John, what are your thoughts on The Ugly Stepsister?

Well, like I said at the beginning, I went into this movie really blind.

I didn't see any kind of trailers.

Off the suggestions of our friends at Straight Chilling and Plug it Up, I wanted to go in this as blind as possible, you know.

If I don't know, it was like one of those things getting spoiled.

I don't think it would have happened, but I don't know.

I love the acting of this.

I liked the fantastical atmosphere of it, you know, you know, going from the day dreams or the fantasy sequences to the real life, which was like dark and it felt like a brother's grim tail that it that it felt very I don't know, it was dark.

I'm gonna keep mine really really short.

But the acting was great, choreography said, photography, music, everything was really really great about this.

So I'm gonna give this a nine out of ten.

Quentin Tarantino wet dreams.

Oh my god, I feel like this would be a Tarantino nightmare to see the cut off.

Well, I'm sure he's loving the foot scene.

Okay, all right, John has only if he could like buy the toes after probably.

Yeah, Oh my god, Hyderberg, what are your thoughts on the Ugly Stepsister?

All right?

I think this is beautifully shot.

You mentioned the cinematography.

I do think it's a It's a really gorgeous film.

I like the the localest too.

I like the locations a lot.

It looked wherever they filmed.

It looks all legit.

You know, these manners that they're at and these inside locations.

None of it looked like set dressing.

I think pier pieces are tough times, you know, there are little things that can kind of pull you out, And I thought this did a good job of making me believe it, even though it's a fantasy sort of world.

And like you said, there are some needle drops here and there that might take you out, but I liked them.

I thought they're company.

The tone well, I thought the score was really well done.

I did quite enjoy it.

I thought the whimsical stuff was fun.

When it's there, it lends to the characters sort of psyche being like her mental state of what like how she' views things.

She's not all there.

She's kind of wrapped up in this whole thing, which is you know, part of the theme.

I really like the costume design as well.

I thought the just everybody's costuming looks really well, really good.

I especially like the mothers costuming for a lot of the film.

For some reason, just like later on there's like bits of like red and Black.

I just like kind of liked that combo.

I think it suited her well.

She's sort of like the black widow if you will.

Maybe I don't know.

There's still a world where I think like she travels around killing suitors with her daughters there and like take there, and there's that moment where Dawn's on her daughter that like, oh he's not rich at all, and so we're wrong, and so she comes rushing in to tell mom.

And then that's when that she finds out that you know, it's that awkward scene of like, uh, those guys are there to do the will or whatever.

Agnes actually says that in the movie.

She's like, we don't have the money that you think.

I know, Yeah, and that's when it Dawn's on elvirus.

I was like for a moment that I'm like, oh, maybe my thoughts that she was poisoning the guy the wedding night was like, true, that seems very premature if you were going to kill somebody, though, like she was a little early.

But anyway, I thought the acting was all well done though, especially the awkward nature Tilbarer's character, especially early on.

She sort of can't read the room a lot of times.

Well she chooses not to, you know, But I like that her Her character is not I don't hate her, but I didn't love her either, but I do like I like her enough, like to you know, as a as a protagonist.

And I like this, like fairy tale told dark, it gets different.

You know, there's not enough films, like you said, that do it or do it well, and we've covered a few here, uh that are interesting.

So I kind of like that.

I feel like Shape of Water has a little bit of that too, you know what I mean, that whimsical sort of nature.

It was more of an homage to the Monster films, but it has that whimsical sort of fairy tale nature too.

I I like the message too, to this movie or the messages, I should say, and the links that like someone is well, especially women are conditioned to go through these extremes to find love, purpose or security, like when it really shouldn't be based around that at all.

It's about who you are and what makes you happy.

But back then, like you had no choice.

Even on the even on the met it's not it's not especially be showed and obviously it's easier, but even on the young the younger men their condition to fucking go along with this fucking you know charade, so in a stupid way, you know, they're not taught how to be men and supportive to their to their wives.

So it shows their conditioning as well.

Like and how this just keeps, this cycle keeps, you know, perpetuating.

I just I do get some Uh there's some great gross out moments that I liked, and I thought the gore was very effective.

Uh, it's just it's just gross.

There's some really gross stuff and it's all shot very beautifully in a way.

It's a there's a beautiful nature to the gore that I appreciate, and it doesn't it doesn't overstep its boundaries in my opinion.

But we're season vets to some people that are not used to it at all, it's probably gonna be Oh, I got this too much For me, I thought it was just right.

Uh.

And like I said, I do like its message and its delivery for the most part, I don't, you know, like we said, it's not too heavy handed, but it's obvious in moments, but there's also some depth there.

There's things to think about and you can do a rewatch as well or show this to people to you know, it's entertaining as well as thought provoking.

So I like that.

I think it's a little long, Like it feels long.

It's not overly long, you know, it's almost it's under two hours, but it feels a little long because I think the pacing drags here or there a tad.

There's a couple of moments where I just feel like we're spinning our wheels a little bit.

And I wasn't like being brought into the next moment.

And I don't know, I wasn't anticipated, but it was gonna happen as much.

I didn't feel as engaged.

Uh.

There aren't that many likable characters, like I said, but that's sort of the point too.

They're not so unlikable that you hate them either.

And this is just like one that I'm not dying to rewatch, you know what, you know what I mean, But I do feel like it's a really solid film that I think.

I think it grow with the rewatch, But I'm just not dying to like jump back into it, but I do recommend it.

So with all that said, I'm gonna give the Ugly Stepsister, I'm gonna give a seven point five out of ten.

What was the measurement again?

Quentin Tarantino Wet Dreams.

Quentin Tarantino, Wet dreams.

Uh, semen filled glass slippers.

Oh okay, that's your unit.

Yeah.

There wasn't even a glass slipper.

There was a slipper.

It's not glass.

It was white.

It was sort of supposed to look well, we don't know that it was semen filmed.

We don't know what the Prince did with it of it all.

Yeah, the semen guity of it all, whether he or not in.

This you Oh my god, Now were you saying semen as a verb?

Yeah?

Yeah, Queline, how do you feel about The Ugly Step?

Okay?

I loved it, honestly.

First of all, I love a dark fairy tale.

I love a dark take on a fairy tale.

Of course, the original story was already dark, but this went dark in a different way.

The thing I love most about this movie is that it made me rethink something that was very familiar to me, you know, a story that's very familiar.

It framed it in such a different way that it made me rethink all the other iterations of this tale that I've seen or heard.

You know.

You know, every culture across humanity has its own version of like a Cinderella tale, and it just makes me rethink all of them.

It's I mean, that's that's no small feet, in my opinion.

Small feet.

So I appreciate that was not on purpose, but yeah, she needed smaller feet.

I can't believe I said that accidentally.

Thanks for pointing out swell feet, Oh my lord.

Anyway, so it made me real, it made me look at things differently.

Like a story that's very familiar to me and beloved, you know, from my childhood, it makes me look at it differently.

It's I will never watch that movie the same way again, you know.

So that's that's a plus.

I think that this movie goes to degrees of intensity that it needed to go to.

It did not shy away from the extremism that it engaged in.

I think I would have felt really let down if they just did like the nose thing and that was it, you know what I mean.

And this may sound like a strange comparison, but when we covered Skincare, I was complaining about the fact that, like her life didn't really seem ruined enough, you know, like there's that she gets hacked and that email goes out, but you don't really see all the fallout from the email, Like you see some of it, but it just doesn't go that hard, you know.

And this movie, I feel like, really goes hard.

And you see the absolute like psychosis, the sickness of the degree to which she's willing to go to achieve this physical goal.

And it's frightening, it's disgusting.

But really, is anything she does any worse than some of the things we do, like even in our modern day and age, I'm not so sure, you know, we we do a lot of crazy shit to ourselves.

And so yeah, I see this as more thematically similar to the substance than Skincare was.

And I had expected Skincare to do that, and it just didn't like those themes.

I don't think we're very present at all, but they are.

They certainly are here, even though the.

Subject matter is different and the tone is very different.

But I appreciate I appreciate the exploration and the critiques of both, you know, the beauty standard problem as well as the like finance the economic oppression of women throughout history.

So the like that is I feel like kind of a secondary element of this movie.

It's not maybe not as explicit, but it's definitely there.

And I appreciate the exploration of both of those things because you wouldn't have one without the other.

I think the acting is outstanding, especially on the part of the actress who plays Elvira.

I think, you know the mother.

I think all the women in this movie, there really are.

There's very little male screen time in this movie, Like everything is for the attention of the prince, but he's actually not in it all that much.

He's more of a figure than anything else.

And it's really all about the women here.

And I appreciate all of the actresses who performed in this movie.

I think they're all very convincing, and I think, as I kind of mentioned earlier.

I think the best thing about Elvira's performance is the physical and emotional agony that that she goes through.

To a lesser extent, I mean, not to a lesser extent, but in a quieter way.

I actually think that actress who played Agnes was quite good.

Her character was not so flashy.

But she has her own private, sort of quiet grief that she's going through, and I really feel for her getting kind of like edged out of her own family and her poor father cannot she can't even get her father buried.

Even getting the prince doesn't necessarily get her what she wants.

I mean, she loses, She loses.

The love of her life.

She says, I'll never love anybody but you.

And yet person she love, the person she loves and the person she's gonna marry don't really have anything to do with each other.

Again.

She she sort of can't afford to indulge in like the silliness of love.

Yeah, and I'm I and I don't.

I don't say silliness though I believe that love is silly, but it's it's frivolous compared to the need to survive.

And so she has to do what she has to do.

And that's sad for her, you know, that's sad, and so I really feel for her, even though her character is a less flashy one and it's a it's a quieter performance, but she's, you know, by all accounts, she's a kind, regular person, and she has her her own dreams and wishes and her own needs and goals and her own need to survive, and she doesn't.

I don't think she mistreats anybody in this movie, and I, you know, I feel bad that Elvira is so conditioned by these expectations that she has to like resent her and hate her and mistreat her, you know, as she kind of descends into this inner ugliness.

I love the look of the movie.

I think it's absolutely beautiful.

There there are scenes that look like a painting to me, and it's really just a lovely visual capturing of the fairytale vibe that to go along with the fairy tale story.

I think it's very lovely.

I think it's just a really well made film.

I kind of have to disagree with you Hayderberg about the pacing.

I had no problem with the pacing whatsoever.

It didn't feel overly long to me.

You know, as I said before, I felt very connected to this movie from the get go.

It was dredged up some shit, and so I felt fully engaged in it from you know, all the way through and you know, enthralled by it.

And the ending might be a little unsatisfying to me.

It feels a little it feels a little sudden to me, but that's not a major complaint.

But overall, I really, really really liked this movie, and I already have a list of like ten people that I'm going to recommend it to right off the top of my head.

So I thought it was great.

It's it's one of the best of the year.

In my opinion.

I give it a nine out of ten.

Tarantino, Quentin Tarantino, Wet Dreams.

So that's that.

I really don't have any trivia other than oh I forgot to mention this, other than to say, there is a little final scene after the credits.

It's literally only a few seconds, and it's kind of a sad bleak, you know, just a few second long shot of it sucked.

By the way, you're just like, really.

Oh, I think it's I was okay with it, but it was just a view of Agnes's father, who's you know, several months post mortem and his rotting.

Corpse just still sitting there.

It's never been buried, it's still just sitting there out in the parlor or whatever that is.

Yeah, I don't mean it sucked like it was bad.

It just sucked.

It was like you said, it's a downer.

I mean.

Silk worms like crawling all over them.

And it's just like.

Michael Maggots.

I think the effects of the corpse, the the you know, the different stages of decay, of the degradation, we're quite convincing and disgusting.

Great effect, like the audio effects of it, the moisture, moistness of it.

All a lot.

Yeah, it's making my stomach me too.

Man.

I'm sort of like, I also have to get my my my anal bleach soon.

Anal bleaching.

Yeah, look perfect, you need a perfect It's very important.

Mm hmm.

Who's going to marry you if you're in a.

Beauty standards bleach?

You know, I'm an ask man, John.

He's going to get a strawberry out of your ass if it's not.

That's not how the story went.

There's the other way around.

I was going to say, that same joke myself, and I was like, don't go there, you did?

I went there for?

And what are what are stepsisters for?

Beautiful?

All right, well that's it for the ugly step sister.

But we have something pretty I think, pretty exciting and fun coming up next month, Hyderberg, you want to talk about that?

Yeah, speaking of requel sequel prequels, we have a we have a scene.

Despite all of our ship complaining about remakes, we have a new theme month coming up next month, and we love a good theme.

Here at a cut above, we are doing a remake month, an entire month to showcase some of our favorite remakes throughout the years.

Of Jacquelins turn.

Next week it is Jacqueline's pick, I believe what is it?

So?

Next week I've picked the two thousand and three remake of the Texas Chainsaw Massacres starring Jessica Biel.

Ready for that one?

Excellent?

I have reasons for picking it.

And we'll be joined by my dear friend Megan, who's appeared a few times before on the show, so some of you may remember Megan, and she'll be joining us to talk about the Texas Chainsaw mass occur from two thousand and three.

I know there are many sequels and requels and prequels out there, so don't pick.

The wrong one.

We're doing two thousand and three with Jessica Biel.

Listen, we're doing this month because we're seeking out.

Just because we give a lot of shit to remakes and sequels and stuff like that doesn't mean that they're all bad.

It is possible for them to be done well.

And so hopefully we'll.

Dig around and find some gems next month in our in our remake series.

I honestly think that we have a rock solid month as far as like remakes.

Yeah, that is the idea.

I agree, remake, let's find the good ones.

But also not everyone may agree.

And so next month I will specifically be hoping that people might write in and be like, oh I hate that remaker.

Oh and you guys didn't like this remake, but I think it's good.

Or what about this one that you guys didn't cover?

You know, that's a point.

I would love to see the comments on Spotify of what you think is a good remake and we might do it.

Also, what kind of like standard like what kind of beauty things have you gone?

Quite on?

Limits?

Have you gone to push yourself to to feel pretty and then yeah, you know, how does it make you?

Shit?

I find that as I'm entering I find that, as I'm entering.

My forties, I have less and less, like very diminishing tolerance for really anybody commenting negatively on any woman's appearance at all.

Like, just I just have less and less.

It's it's approaching ero at this point.

I didn't.

I didn't have that, you know, wisdom in my teens and twenties or even thirties.

But now that I'm entering my forties, I just I just like had enough of the bullshit.

You know, yeah, Jack ten years so nope, she's entering her forties.

Quote no, but yeah, I just I really just have almost no tolerance for it.

And I really just want to like punch people if they have literally anything negative to say about any woman.

Just I agree, just no like actions behavior that's different, but appearance.

I don't want to hear it.

Or are people who think that because somebody's behavior is bad, that then it's okay to attack their appearance.

Nope, I'm not here for that either.

Nope, say, bad behavior makes people seem uglier.

In my opinion.

That's true.

Agreed because of their character.

Yeah, I agree, But like, I just don't want to make fun of people's appearance.

I don't, I don't know, I don't want it.

Especially dude.

All right, guy, why don't you get your d extended or wang doodle extended?

Yeah, not interested.

It's just I'm just not interested.

Like, I literally does not matter to like, does not matter to me what what these people think anymore?

I mean you.

Anyway?

Sorry, ran over, But yeah, you know, if you like the pomp and squeeze, that's your thing.

All right.

So next month, I hope you'll all join us for our remakes month.

But in the meantime, please feel free to write in you know some of the things we asked you about, write in to us about beauty standards or remakes, whatever you want.

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Review absolutely and Hiderberg, I know you got another podcast, Cinemigo's podcasts.

What do you guys have coming up?

We have an episode on the movie Buffalo Soldier with Joaquin Phoenix coming out pretty soon.

I don't know.

It's a lesser known film that he was in early on Ed Harris, isn't it as well?

Oh?

Nice?

Can't wait for you.

Yeah.

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Send a me goes all right, Well, thanks Fellas.

It was a great discussion, a great episode.

I'm glad you picked this movie.

John, thank you for that, and Fellas, I will see you back here next week talking about the Texas chainsaw massacre from two thousand and three and

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