Hey, gang Heideberg.

Here Cut Above Horror Review.

Tonight we have a close shave with Jacqueline's pick.

Two thousand and seven's Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street, episode two sixteen of A Cut Above smells like revenge and fresh baked hair pies.

And it's starting now.

Cut my life into pieces.

Good evening and welcome to A Cut Above Horror Review, a podcast where we review all things horror.

I'm your host, Jacqueline, and tonight we'll be reviewing Sweeney Todd, the Demon Barber of Fleet Street from two thousand and seven.

But first, let's meet everybody on the show.

First up, it's Hydroberg.

Sorry, barber Burg.

It's Barbara Burg, the demon barber from Skeet Street.

I can't add anything to that, so I'm just gonna let that one be.

And next up it's John.

How you doing, John.

Good?

I was ready for more musical stylings.

Come on, that's the only note I can hate.

I'm sorry, Hi, Jaqueline, what's going on?

Hello Hydroberg?

Can you be like Parelli and sing in an Italian accent for us?

Please?

Because you're Italian, right, so you should be able to do.

That forget about it?

Gobba goal.

Oh my goodness, walking, I'm walking here?

You got.

Do you guys?

Walking?

He's walking there, I'm walking.

Everyone is tuned out by now.

This is going to be no listener episode.

This is going to be everybody's favorite episode, and I'm.

Sure it's going to be all's favorite episode too, because you love musical so much and have, really I do, waiting for me to pick one.

Right.

No, No, it's been a while.

It's been a wild is.

The last musical we did Rocky Horror two years ago?

Wow?

That's right, okay, but no, that was like that was like too episode three eight.

That's right, that's right, okay.

Never.

No, I know you guys have really been yearning for a musical, you know, wondering where it is in your life and just waiting for me to.

Pick Tapping my foot to like a tempo that I just didn't know where it went to until you picked this movie.

I have one thing to say to that, I'm good about it.

Oh my word?

All right, Well, I truly cannot.

I'm looking forward to hearing y'all's opinions, and I'm kind of bracing myself to take some heat I'm going into this with eyes wide open, with realistic expectations.

Wait open, I'm just gonna sing like early thousands, but.

Anything that comes to mind, butt Rock.

Welcome to a cut above the Ballads episode.

Pour your Heart Out, Fellas.

Oh my god.

Well, happy Monday evening you guys.

Glad to be here with you.

I've been waiting all weekend for this and uh, well let's see how it goes.

So, John, Yes, why don't you kick things off, get us into our routine.

Do you have any news?

Yes?

I waited this time you did it.

Jacqueline's like almost like doing a spit take over here.

Yes, I waited.

Anyways, we had some homework to do.

Uh got a couple of stories to actually get to.

There's a movie called Your Host.

The trailer just dropped and jack O, I'm gonna throw it back to you.

You saw this trailer, what did you think?

I think it looks like it could be cool.

Kind of looks like Saw meets video Drone.

Like there's a game, you know, a game of torture people.

Looks like people are going to have to do, you know, horrible things to save themselves, and looks like it's being televised somehow, So yeah, it looks like it could be brutal.

Looks like it could be sort of a return to the early two thousands torture porn era, which a hostile less yeah, which I don't have a problem with.

So I'm here for it.

Okay, I work thoughts.

I thought the same thing I was getting so vibes, but different, you know what I mean.

Like obviously something based around that, but I like that the way the traps looked and the way the movie looked like the way it was shot.

It looked gritty and dark, and then like a lot of shit started happening towards the end of the trailer, like looked like it's gonna ramp up and get crazy.

Uh, it might have revealed a little too much, but it looks pretty good, like it's maybe more than just the gore and there might be something going on.

They don't really show jack Jackie Earl Haley's character.

Right, Yeah, it was like where was I kept?

I saw Jackie Earl Haley?

Where is he?

You just hear him?

But I'm excited, you know, because he's I like him.

So we'll see how it goes.

It looks interesting, Yeah, what about you.

John, Yeah, I actually agree.

I like the combination of like maybe game shows, slash yeah Saw type movie which actually looked really cool.

It was gritty Jackie or Earl Haley.

I loved him in Watchman.

I actually thought he did a pretty good job as Freddy Krueger.

The movie sucked like the Nightmare on Elm Street what twenty ten or whatever it was, But I think that was just directing and scriptwriting.

But yeah, I'm actually interested in this.

Yeah, it's coming out in FrightFest on Friday in London, so I don't know.

They haven't given like any information like a worldwide release, but I don't know.

It might be.

Cool, it might be Yeah.

I hope it doesn't come off as like a pale Saw ripoff, but based on the trailer, it looks like it's its own kind of unique thing.

So in style.

I liked his voice in that too, where it's like he brought it lower.

It wasn't like it was necessarily modulated, but it was just like he brought it like you are going, you know, like yeah, like Jigswaw.

You know.

It wasn't like that, but it was like his actual voice, but he just brought it down so right right.

Yeah, I didn't know anything about the story going into it, so when I saw the title Your Host, it made me think it was going to be like Late Night with the Devil, which of course it wasn't, but it made me happy to think about that movie again.

Well, I don't know if you guys saw the poster for it, but the thing is, it looked like Ethan Hawke's mask from Black Phone, but then it had the other half of Jackie or Hayley's face, like this demonic smile, almost like what's his name, Richard Brick.

Yeah, like the gangly teeth and just scruffiness.

Yeah, so.

In a certain movie or something.

Yeah, yeah, did you guys like this Scary movies, the spinoff or the.

I love scary movies.

That's why we're doing a horror show.

God, do you like scary movies?

I'm talking about this jiffy pop No, just the comical version of charodies.

Yes, I do enjoy those movies.

I do need to.

I liked like the first and second one.

So anyways, we've got Anna Faris and Regina Hall from the original movies coming back because there's a reboot of Scary Movie.

I'm excited about it.

So it's a rebootqual sequel, frequel.

Oh my god, No, that's almost as funny as hydroburb.

Richard's rip.

Oh my god, I need a fart sound effect.

Yes, you do.

You also need a snarf sound effect.

Starf could provide that for you.

Yeah, Prilogy, that was a deep pull.

John.

Do we know when the schmek will reboot me boot is coming out of Scary Movie?

Because I actually really like to see that.

It's actually coming out June of twenty twenty six.

And the nice thing about this is that Marlin, Sean and Keen and Ivory Waynes they're coming back to write it.

So that's awesome, all right.

Yeah, so hopefully they go back to that R rated kind of like just.

I feel like comedy is rolling back into like what are you too?

Yeah, I feel like we're going to start getting some comedies that are pushing the limits again a little bit and we'll do well in theaters maybe, And that's this might be one of those movies movie.

Well.

I think the Waynes brothers being a part of this is like a big part of why this might be successful.

But the problem is is that let's say that one is successful, they're going to do another one and then another one and then they're gonna like tamp it down again.

Well, the market will dictate, like you know, whether or not people spend their dollars will dictate whether it continues.

They do deserve to make money on those movies, though, because they didn't do very well on their the first couple as far as like their contracts and stuff like that.

But they they didn't make a bunch of money off of that.

They made money, but they didn't make really like the money that they should have as like some of their creators of it.

That's fair, that's fair.

Yeah, all right, another homework assignment, kids.

Rabbit Trap trailer is out.

I'm gonna throw it to Hydroburd first.

Would you think, Man, it's something like interesting.

It starts out like okay, a little odd, and then I love the audio of it and the way it like consumes the trailer and that's really like morphing into something different.

As what it looks like is people are kind of losing themselves and it's weird.

It's it's weird, it's it's it's a movie that's using audios in a way that's gonna be like scary maybe, And that's pretty interesting to me.

And I like the cast Patel.

I love Patel.

Great Monkey Man.

Is good, right, fucking awesome, dude.

Yeah, it's a good movie, man.

I mean, he put himself through ship to make that movie, and I, you know, I thought it was good.

But yeah, I know, this looks very interesting to me.

I'm just I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm into it so absolutely, Jacqueline, what'd you think?

I love Dove Patel.

Yes, I love him a lot.

I'll watch him in anything.

I don't know what.

Super hot, but also super appealing.

I don't know what it is, but I love that man.

So I intelligent, he's well spoken.

Yeah, oh man, he's he's he's on my list.

You know what.

You're kind of reminding me of like a young Jeff Goldbloom a little bit.

He's got a little bit of that energy.

And he's really tall.

As well, slightly nerdy, sexy.

I don't know what it is, but maybe, oh man, what are we talking about?

Oh the trailer?

Yeah, so he that's good.

That's a plus.

That's a plus.

That's what I.

That's that's what's going on.

In my internal model.

I know, I know that was interesting.

He went on, you don't forget about me, baby.

I could never adress she's got.

I mean, we do not hate account John.

Sometimes a girl can't choose, you know.

That's that's fair woman.

Girl needs options.

Yes, a wardrobe if you will, but uh no, for real, the trailer looks really interesting.

It looks like an a twenty four movie.

The there are things about it that remind me of the look of Lamb.

There's things about it that remind me of the look of the Feast.

I'm not one hundred percent sure what's going on.

It's a little hard to tell, but yeah, like you said, Hyderberg something, yeah, and this mysterious woman appears drawn to the sound and talking about a veil between our world and the fairy world, and if you let the fairies into your world, they can guide you.

But then there's something It feels sinister at the same time, and like, I don't know, but it's it's got that sort of mythical like woodland, like like like a folk horror sort of thing.

So I'm not sure where the horror is gonna come from, but you get some quick cuts in the you know, the back end of the trailer that disturbing.

That seemed, Yeah, that are disturbing and you can't put your finger on why.

But yeah, so it looks intriguing.

I can't like grasp it as well as you know, the Your Host trailer like that was pretty straightforward, but this one looks mysterious but intriguing.

So yeah, I'm glad that's on my radar.

Now, what about you, John, I think.

This movie looks like it's gonna be fucked up and disturbing at the same time.

It just it just feels like like it's gonna be a mind fuck like throughout the entire movie, which I kind of like.

I think that's that.

That's actually a very intriguing thing for me.

So I don't think, you know, obviously we've got our ear planned out, but I think it's a movie that we may want to do sure at some point.

Yeah, I don't know, man.

It just that trailer hit me really good.

I just went like, like some of the some of the camera shots, you know, just even in the trailer itself, was like this looks amazing.

Mm hmmm, beautiful.

Trailer just really grabs.

You, really did.

It was one of the trailers that I.

Just went fine for me, and then I don't want to see anything else, right, Yeah, Yeah, I agree here and there's enough that I don't understand and I don't want to keep.

It that way.

Yeah, I totally get you, Hydroberg.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

Trail trailers that really grabbed me were like LAMB, Like LAMB got me, so I was like obsessed, like waiting for LAMB to come out, Like that trailer was so intriguing.

Yeah, I've seen it a few times and I don't know that the movie quite lived up to my expect based on the trailer, but the trailer was fucking rad and a Cure for Wellness hereditary.

Those were all trailers that just like grabbed me jacually.

And you nailed it.

I mean it's just it's got grabbed you.

It's just kind of like what the fuck is going on here?

So yeah, so thank you for bringing that to my attention because I was not aware of that movie.

You bet, Yeah, of course you said.

Ptel stars in it, produced by our good buddy Elijah Wood from spect Your Vision.

Yeah that day, I do too.

I love the fact that he's like like so ingrained into horror.

Yeah, he knows what he likes, man, he knows what.

He wants absolutely, and I respect him for that too.

And you're putting out good stuff he is.

Yeah.

September twelfth in theaters so.

Oh, same day as So what did we just talking about last week?

Oh the Long Walk September two Yeah, cool, that's gonna be a good day.

I want to just take the day off work and go to the movies all day.

You should have you guys seen Web and shit No White playing on weapons If you don't, because it's on the docket.

It's not at the top of my priority list, you know.

If I could go to the movies and then I would go see it, But I just don't know, like I have to reserve that for like the most like the highest priority theater.

In that movie that worked well in the theater, in a quiet theater.

Yeah.

So if it's like you're alone on like a Saturday morning or something like that, I could see it like really hitting good.

But if someone's not sharing their snacks properly, then maybe.

Share your snacks and shut the fuck up.

Yeah, that's my bumper stick.

Share your snacks and shut the fuck up.

You rital fuckers didn't I didn't do all that.

I didn't do that.

Oh damn it.

So I only picked this story out because Jacqueline is going to have a big, old, bigger smile than she already has.

I already know what you're gonna say, at least I hope it's what you're going to say.

I don't know what you're gonna say.

Okay, Germo del Toro's Frankenstein.

Oh, it's coming to theaters, coming to theaters.

Oh, limited the Oh we made it happen.

We talked about it.

It's it's us.

We did it.

October, October seventeenth.

It's supposed to be a Netflix exclusive, but it's coming to theaters October seventeenth, will be on Netflix November seventh.

Jacqueline, what did I say?

What did I say?

I said, it needs a theater release.

This is a travesty.

We need to have this on a big screen.

This is too grand to limit to my little TV.

And then Rob Zombie heard it and he ran to the challenge and he got Gae mel de Toro to fucking say.

Work.

That was an elaborate one.

Yeah I like that one.

Yeah, that was very play A little four play and then the crescendo.

I love this That is one of my all time favorite books, and I feel like this movie adaptation, I'm overly excited for it, like that this movie is going to be this year's nos fra Tu for me how excited I was for that last year before I came out.

I feel like that's going to be my vibe for the next year after I see it.

So that's I'm just it's good that it's happening in October because then we have November going on for us.

And I know, I'm so excited for all the vibes there you.

Go so jacque, and I just want to put it, put a big smile on your face with that one.

Thank you nice.

And now we're going to let you know that someone died and I'm h my god, can't be he very well?

Could?

I mean I could, he could, but he won't because I trust you.

No, he's because he's a lover, not a fighter.

Not a fighter.

Correct, All right, that's all I got.

Just like Michael Jackson, all right.

Good one wow that diet PEPSI.

Thank you so I forgot you can hear it.

Sorry you guys forgetting.

Too.

I wish I had the bumps wing.

That's an outtake we need to keep.

Wow.

Wow, Iatris would never date me after.

That, my mouth baby.

He'd be like, oh, please keep that, Please keep that.

Come on, hy keep that.

My mouth baby.

To make it make sense, you'd have to keep that whole stretch.

You would have me burping and then be like.

Oh sorry, oh no, Eatris is never gonna take me now.

I could.

I could find it right there.

Oh my god, that's so funny.

Alright, alright, so we're coming out of news.

I got I got it.

I'll pick it up hard news.

Done, okay, done.

All right, So you guys are ready to move on and talk about Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd.

Yes we are, so, Jack, this was your pick this week?

Why did you pick this movie?

I get well, For one thing, it has been way too long.

No, if I were trying to talk to you, John, I would be picking musicals much more frequently than once every two years.

So oh yeah, true true Pepper and the Rob Zombie films as well.

So I don't think those count as musicals.

Because the needle Drops are dope and Rob Zombie dope.

It's not a musical because the characters aren't singing.

But now that you say it, I kind of want Rob Zombie to write a musical.

I would.

I would.

I would crowd fund the ship out of that, so I know you would.

I'm gonna start a petition.

I'm gonna start this.

I'm gonna make it happen, and like a year from now.

You're gonna be music.

Yes, you're going to be reporting this on the news segment.

You're gonna say Rob Zombie has a new musical.

Thanks.

Yes, Yeah, Rocky horror pictures show to Electric Bugaloo.

Okay, that aren't exists.

It's called shock treatment, which, okay, I'll pick that too.

You're welcome see see what happens when.

You keep coming damn it.

So you pick them pultry guys too.

I picked it because I felt like we were due for a musical, and also I just really have been in the mood for that, like Gothic Victorian London vibe.

I just want that feeling.

You know.

There's a few movies that do that for me, and I thought it would be fun to pick a musical, so I decided to go with Sweeney Todd.

Now I will say I had some trepidation about covering this film, and I almost took it off the schedule and replaced it with something else because over the past few months, I've read things about Johnny Depp, Like I didn't pay much attention to the whole like Johnny Depp amber heard thing and so at the time, which I think happened maybe a couple of years ago, and I didn't pay attention at the time.

But in recent months, I've read some things online about his behavior towards her, and like, you know, documents and you know, recordings that were made of him or text messages that were saved, and you know, I realized those things can be doctored.

And you know, I am not asserting that they are like certainly for real, but if they're real, they give me a really bad feeling about him and really kind of gives me the ick, so to say the least.

So I don't know, I just kind of felt like, do I really want to like, uh, you know, it's I'll be honest, it's a movie that I like.

It's like, do I really want to like praise Johnny Depp for two hours?

And but you know, I thought, you know, we can we can talk about him as a person honestly, and you know, say what we think about him as yeah, and then and then separately like talk about what we think about the movie.

So I don't know if you guys have any opinions at all about Johnny Depp, but I have.

I have some, and uh, you know, and I it hurts me because I've always really feel.

Like he's deteriorating in front of us, like we're watching because of alcoholism, so social unfortunately.

Well, so again, I don't I don't have like a def like I don't know the definitive truth about the situation, and I won't pretend that I do.

But just hearing some very very disturbing and unsavory things about his behavior towards his wife and other women over the years has has really soured me on him, if true.

So so so I kind of like waffled on.

It feels like a very toxic relationship that we got to peek into that maybe we shouldn't know so much about.

Like most times those things get handled and they break up and it's done, like and you you know what I mean, because a lot of times both parties are guilty on the toxicity.

It goes back and forth.

That's why it's a toxic these people.

And there's but there's love sometimes too.

That's what's so fucked up.

It's you know, but uh yeah.

Jacqueline, I also want to bring up roman Plansky is that you know, you could say the same thing.

It's like as disgusting as that human being was.

You know, like Hydroburg said, he's an artist, you know, he created something.

Yeah, anyways, you know, you're you're absolutely right.

And I and you know, Annya and I did have that conversation a couple of years ago or whenever that was, you know, when when I went on her show and talked about Rosemary's Baby, and you know, I think we briefly mentioned it when we covered that movie, and you guys kind of talked me back into it.

And we can like address that about him, like we don't have to like hide it or ignore it, but we also don't have to like blow smoke up his ass.

And I mean, I'm gonna praise him for this movie because that's what we're right, We're critiquing a movie.

And yeah, he's very good in this movie.

So it's a little you know, it's a little different from Roment Plansky because he's Roman Plansky isn't in that movie, you know.

So it's like I can almost kind of like ignore plants get a little bit when talking about Rosemary stre but but you know, it's like we can still talk about the movie on its own merits and uh, you know, go from there.

So it's it's one of those sticky things and it's a little uncomfortable, and I don't know if I wanted to like go there, but you know, nothing, but you guys encourage.

Me, and you know, said, I support you because I do like this movie enough you're just covered.

But if you wanted to pull it, we can do it.

Yeah, do whatever you want.

Well, speaking of which, Jacqueline, we're.

Not doing this movie.

We're doing we're talking about poultry guest again, Jacqueline.

So does Sweeney Todd from two thousand and seven fuckers suck?

How exactly?

Doesn't one to suck a fuck?

You want me to tell you?

Please?

Sorry?

I fucked that one up.

I suck.

So No, I'm this movie just fucks it.

Just it's it's the it's my flavor, you know.

Do you guys remember me like raving about Crimson Peak this summer I have similar I have similar, like a similar kind of like a reaction to.

This funness is like muted tone compared to the contrast of like this is a gray movie compared to the color and Crimson peak, but gothic nonetheless.

Yeah, but there's some.

Like quite vivid red in both you know, and dull backgrounds.

So yeah, to me, it focks John, What about you, Jacqueline?

This movie it fuck.

Nice.

I was really in suspense.

I'm like, oh God, what's it gonna say?

I love I felt like it was that part in Harry Potter or the lady in the fucking painting goes look it moved first, or whatever she does into her voice.

It's like Gary Oldman and Harry Potter.

It's like this be very.

She's like she broke something.

She's like, I did it with my voice.

No, I think this movie fucks.

I I have nostalgia for this movie.

So okay, all right, I want to hear more about that.

You Betydberg?

You bet you believe that?

Uh?

Does Sweeney Todd fuck or stuck Yderberg?

Uh?

Yeah?

Like a good cream pie filled with me?

This one fucks wow.

So apt I saw this in the theaters, believe, Why did I think you had never seen this?

No, I've seen this.

I've seen it once and I liked it.

Actually, this is actually what swayed me to start liking Sasha Barr Cohen, because I didn't like him that much.

I'm not a borat guy, to be honest, and I never really watched It's okay, I didn't watch a ton of the Ali g Show, but I've seen some and he's funnier on there.

I just thought, like, I even went to the theaters and it just wasn't the greatest theater experience, to be honest, and I wasn't like, I don't know, the irony of that guy was just sort of After a while, I was just like, yeah.

Whatever, well that was like gorilla filming, so I appreciate.

That, all yeah, yeah, But as an actor, like an actual actor, he's really good.

He's really good.

I love this film is the one where I was like, oh wow, he came on my radar at this time.

M hm, all right, cool, all right.

I did not know what you guys were gonna say.

I was like, Ohm, my in trouble.

No you're not.

I think we're all on the same page.

On this one.

All right, well, John, let's drop the spoiler warning and then we'll start talking about it.

Yes, we'll be talking about Swingy Todd from two thousand and seven in its entirety.

You have not seen this movie, make sure you go watch it then can come back to find out what we thought about it.

Mm hmm great, Hidi Berg.

Do you have to reach your own plot summary?

Yes?

I do.

I got a like exaggerate that killing.

Yeah, I know you do.

We gotta starting, John.

You can't see this, but gets down.

That's what that song does to you.

Down.

You can't help it, all right.

Black waters ship comes into the harbor, a lowly barber and a young sailor, one of them hopeful, the other revenge fueled.

The city assesspool.

There's no place like London, a place of hope.

A dungeon flashback or younger barber is bludgeon, he's Lucy taken from him.

There's a hole in the world with a great black pit filled with people that are filled with shit, and the vermin of the world inhabited.

One of those vermin Judge Turpin wrongfully convicted.

Now Australian Benjamin Barker returns as a barber, the demon of Fleet Street, his moniker Benjamin, wrongfully accused, exile to Australia, excused wife taken, Lucy, sexually abused.

Missus love breaks the news her me pie is not the best made with love.

Cockroaches the rest of the ingredients.

His past shot waste not want not love It puts him up above her shop.

A reunion with old friends.

She returns to him his bloodlust from where it's been.

She will help him get his revenge.

Pirelli's neck became a hinge, reunited with blades, demands unhinged cause of his derangement.

Judge Turpin, other victims heads.

They spin todd and love it, commit mass sin.

Anthony falls for the lady in the window, unaware who she is, though from down below, he captivated by her show.

The barber piles up the bodies, his friends drip rubies.

Love It sells more baked goodies.

Hope thrown on his ass by beetle meat pies, Missus Lovett petals, business booms to brand new levels.

Sweeney's chair an instrument of death.

Blade across neck draws last breath.

A tragedy much like Macbeth.

Bodies dumped to the bake house scent.

Old crazy lady warns the town of the scent of the smoke that escapes those vents.

Turnpin visits Sweeney's shop, his head almost chopped.

Anthony shows up and blows up the spot.

How Johannah and he will run away?

Turnpin says, not if he has his say Johannah in the madhouse, she stays.

The barber's bloodlust delayed both businesses, prospering missus Lovett with plans of marrying the barber, only concerned with slaying Anthony, rescues his lady.

Suspicion towards Sweeney, held by Toby, confirmed when he finds the body parts in the bakehouse.

The barber plays cat and mouse with Turnpin as he leaves his house.

Beetle killed and stored down below.

When investigating complaints of foul smoke strong enough to choke a grown man, Sweeney devises a plan to lure the judge over by using ant Toby escapes into the sewers the beggar woman into the barber's shop.

She lured no time to spare.

Benjamin skewers her neck with his blade, just in time to give turpin, a close shave, stabbed in a fit of raids.

The judge, surprised.

Johannah, disguised, watches her father kill her mother with her own eyes.

The demon inside released.

The barber can't speak, Golden hair resting on her cheek.

The beggar woman was his wife, filled with rage, his sacrifice, love.

It burns to death that night, pay back.

The barber spends the last seconds over his wife bent.

A story of revenge.

Toby slit his throat, a fitting end, a tale of murder, a terrible feet.

It's your turn in the seat of the demon barber of Fleet Street.

I love it, Grey, Bravo.

Oh sang the whole thing.

It was amazing.

No, I was good.

Okay, So can we talk about that part you mentioned when he says there's no place like London.

Just that opening scene when they're sailing into the harbor right off the bat.

I feel like that is such great characterization because it starts with Anne Anthony and he's a younger man and he's singing it in a way that is so full of hope and promise, like he sees this as a giant opportunity, right, and then Sweeney Todd sings the same words, there's no place like London, but he has such a dour contempt for it, and you can see that even though he's singing the same words that he sees, he does see this as like a cesspool of absolute filth, and that he would not be returning here if he could help it.

But even even if he could help it, you kind of get the sense, and this gets confirmed later on, but you get a little flavor of misanthropy from him that he thinks that like, basically everybody is just like filth, with only one exception basically his wife.

And he even includes himself in the filth, right, And so it's just it was such lovely acting on both of those actors' parts to sing the same words but give completely different tones to it, right, And that's that's such a great way.

It's just great character building right from the get go, fueled by great performances.

Yeah.

Yeah, and Jacqueline I don't want to echo that because Tim Burton films it so beautifully.

I mean, this could have been done in the studio or CGI whatever they're doing.

But it was like the pessimistic and optimistic view of London you've.

Seen it for the first time, and like you said, and the other guy's got history here and he's coming.

Back to it right right, right.

And the thing, you know.

Johnny Depp has this like Edward scissorhands, like paint on his face or makeup on his face where it's just like pale.

And you see this other kid, Anthony Antoine.

Yeah, but but he's like a blonde haired kid and just a good looking kid.

And he's just so optimistic about it.

I'm going to the big city, you know, he explored the world and sweet.

Yeah.

Sweeney Todd is like he's been a prisoner unlawfully, but like he's been a prisoner like this whole time.

So he takes that pessimistic view, and Anthony is like like this is oh, this is my my pearl.

You know, right, yeah, yeah, And I think it matters that there's an age difference too, Like don't we all become a little more world weary and jaded and maybe a little bit more cynical as we get older, because we've seen more, right, and we've lived more life.

And you know, Anthony's so young and optimistic, and then Sweeney says to.

Him, hopefully you'll learn, Yeah, you'll learn that's the only like glimmer of hope in this movie too, is Anthony's story, honestly.

Have to very agree.

Yeah and well, and I have thoughts about that when we get to the end.

But yeah, I love just the introduction though, to the barber.

He's just characters like awesome, just the way he looks, the streak in the hair, the float out hair, like.

It's fucking awesome.

I agree, it's scissor hands.

That's evil.

You know, it's like a Victorians, right.

I love it.

And I love the costume design on literally everybody, and Sweeney looks bad ass.

Beetle, yeah, but Sweeney looks so badass.

But like particularly Sweety Todd and Missus love it.

Their costume is just.

It is really good, just a good.

Like you guys said.

I mean, like all the costuming looks great.

I think just whether it was in a studio or not, I mean it just felt like this depression like like industrial revolution type thing where all these you know, all this smog and discussing things are happening in London.

It felt like it.

Yeah, there was that camera shot like after he gets off the boat where it just you know, the camera shot like goes through the cobblestone streets and you see rats and you see people just laying on the sidewalk or whatever.

It looked really.

Good a little bit.

I that.

Yeah, yeah, it did feel like that.

But let me a story of why I have nostalgia for this movie is because as a junior in high school, I took drama class.

Did I jerk off?

No?

Actually I saw the Broadway play with Angela Lansbury and I forgot the actor that played Sweeny Todd.

You saw the original Broadway cast?

I did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My teacher, mister Smith was explaining it, and you know, we we all tried to sing because I can't sing for ship, but I.

Mean it was just like, what are you talking about?

You?

Whole episode?

I'm gonna stop.

What was that?

It fucks?

What was that?

What was that?

That's all I can do.

I mean I practiced that probably the entire week waiting for this episode.

It shows though, it shows, thank you.

Anyways, I saw it as a junior like there were two movies that we got to see that were plays or musicals or whatever.

One was roomy, I know what the other one is.

Okay, No, it was.

Olivia Hussey and you get to see her boobs in that movie, and I was just like, yeah.

Oh my god, I'm forward.

Yeah actually.

But but the other one was the Broadway Show of Swingy Todd, and I guess it was like late seventies or early eighties, and this is like ninety three.

So I got to watch it and I was mesmerized again as a as a kid, as growing up, I didn't have the culture of enjoying a musical.

But this story of Swingy Todd, the Beam and Bob Or of Fleet Street.

You know that little pause right there, But it was fantastic.

I was very mesmerized by it, and watching this movie it brought me back to that.

I was just like, this is this is incredible.

It's a horror movie.

It's it's a horror musical.

Mm hmm to te.

So honestly, now that you mentioned that that pause you did on Fleet Street, I thought of frankn Doctor, franken Wiener, what's his name, Frank Frank and Frederick Yeah, when he's like yeah, And then I started thinking maybe depth sort of posts a little bit of his Tim Curry from you know, because it's a musical, a little bit for some of this.

Curry was on the list to play Sweetye.

Makes sense.

Well, so here's the thing.

So being older, Tim.

Burton had the idea of adapting this for the screen for like decades, basically since the mid eighties.

He wanted to make a film version, and so over the years he did sort of think of a lot of people who liked to cast and talk to a lot of people, and the project just never really happened.

And so you know, I don't know whether Tim Curry was ever actually like seriously considered to come on board, but you know it was a consideration as a possibility, is all I'll say.

But I could, I could see that, but I might worry about him being too much of Frank and Furter.

No, I disagree.

I disagree.

And the one thing is is like like when I saw this off or this Broadway show of it, Angela and Lansbury played Missus Lovett and she nailed it, and then Helena Bottom Carter.

It brought me into it.

It was like because Sweeney Todd was actually an older gentleman, like he's been in you know, you know, on the sea for thirty years or whatever.

It was.

Well, so it's actually it comes from a Penny Dreadful back in like the eighteen forties or fifties.

It was like a minor character that was introduced in like a Penny Dreadful.

And then there were various like little plays about him and stuff, and then it was nineteen seventy.

I forget the name of the playwright, but somebody wrote like a full length play about him, and it was the first adaptation because it had been kind of readapted over the decades.

But the nineteen seventy version was the nineteen seventy play was the version that actually gave him like a backstory and a motivation for killing.

Before it was just kind of mindless killing.

Was misloved in that too, yes, oh oh yeah, because what I remember liking about this movie was the combination the fact that they were kind of using each other in a way, or she him, but yeah, she's like and her business starts doing better based on the pies that they're making.

I felt like because I don't know, so it was like interesting to see like this dichotomy between the two of them, like using this he's just you know, seeking revenge, but he just starts killing people like he's just a murderer after a while, like there's a bloodlust just to it too, right?

Or is that where you kind of playing where he sees these people as the dregs of society, you think, and he's just taking them out.

That's that's one of my main observations about this movie, because I believe it or not, Joey watched most of it with me.

He's got a cold right now, so he went to bed a little bit early, but he did watch most of it and seemed to enjoy parts of it.

But then when I asked him today, I was like, so, what did you think about this?

Like is there anything you want me to relay on the podcast?

And he's like, I mean, it's not really for me.

He said.

My main complaint is that, like you know, for most of the movie, he has like a righteous objective, right, Like you couldn't blame him really for like seeking revenge, like he is, you know, righteous in doing so.

And he said, but then he just suddenly turns maniac and is killing everybody.

He said, I just don't find it believable.

And what I would say to that is, I think that's why the movie is a tragedy, because that's it's the it's the downfall of his character.

I think if he had, if he had sought his revenge and only taken that revenge on the people who actually wronged him, I think he could have had a happy ending and been reunited with Joanna and maybe even.

His wife, yeah, because without that, he wouldn't have done what he did to his wife later.

Right.

But I think that, you know, we see the seed of this in the beginning, that that misanthropic tendency.

And I think that after he misses his chance with the judge, I think something flips in him and he just I think he's he feels hopeless, and I think he feels like nothing matters anymore, and he just wants to like dispatch as many people as he can from this world of shit that chair, but because he thinks that we all deserve it, including himself, you know, Like he it's like he's trying to rid the world of its dirtiness and evil basically, but of course from the outside looking in, that's maniacal, right, And so that's his moral downfall, and I think it's because of that that it's necessary that he doesn't get his happy ending.

And so who are the only people that survive Anthony, Joanna and Toby because they're the innocent ones, right, they're the only ones who aren't guilty and corrupted and contaminated.

But Toby, Toby is not.

Toby seeks revenge.

He does, yeah, based on a on a an abusive relationship he was in, you know what I mean, Like he's getting revenge for what's his name, tin cup?

What's his name?

Fucking the judge's name, turn turnpin, judge turning.

This movie?

Alan Rickman anyway, I love seeing Alan Rickman.

By the way, Oh my god, he was great.

Wasn't he in Perfume too?

Wasn't he the dad Electric Booglo as well?

Perfume also as well?

Yes, I think you.

Perfume too?

Electric Electric?

The scent is.

Back by Rob Zombie.

That was perfect.

Well, what were you to say, John was eighties?

What I was gonna say is I thought this movie had a perfect band.

Actually, yeah, I just like a poetic It was so and like bleeding over his wife, like, oh my.

God, like the way like Johnny depth like kind of slumped over and it's just like that that that poll It was almost.

Beautiful Gallo type blood, you know, it really was.

Yeah, I agree.

I mean I thought the blood looked terrible in this shirt that end so over, but it was perfect.

Like the end, it was just like he's bleeding over but just looking down and realizing that idiot it was his wife.

But he was also informed that she had like taken poison or arsenic or whatever it was.

Which apparently she did, and that's why she was like the cuckoo lady around town right sensitive she should have had like a bunch of fucking cats or something like in a jacket, like the lady a.

Lady from Home alone too.

Yeah, yeah, I picture the cat lady from Simpsons, but the same thing.

Crazy cat.

But yeah, because like because Sweeney loses his moral standing, I think he gets the ending he deserves.

And so that's why I agree with you, John.

I think it would have rung false if he had gotten his happy ending in the end.

And it's it's a funny thing because this is one of those cases where you have a protagonist that you kind of like fall for and it's easy to forget kind of what a horrible person he is, and even missus love it, you know, like I love her.

But then it's like you have to take a step back, and you're like, Jesus Christ, she's.

She's been she's been gaslighting.

Yeah, and so but I definitely fell under their spell and I forget.

There's a moment I wrote it down on my notes.

Where is it?

Oh yeah, So there's a moment that kind of jolted me back into like moral reality where I was like, oh, these people are doing terrible things.

How can I be on their side?

Because I really had fallen completely onto their side, Like, oh no, I hope he doesn't get caught, Like you shouldn't be rooting for that, you know, but it wanted.

Him to get his revenge.

Yeah, but you all.

But then he starts doing other shit and I don't want him to get caught for that either.

But then I needed a little like wake up call, and that came when the beggar Lady starts going around town like trying to warn people like there's mischief, there's mischief and talking about the horrible smell coming out of the chimney.

And then you're like, oh, wait, she's correct, like and she should be warning people like there's danger here.

This is wrong.

And so that's like the little reminder of whose side the harbor.

Yeah, it's like it's like it forces you to realize that you've been on the side of a murderer and an accomplice for about an hour and twenty.

Minutes and now the man he became at that point too, it's like fitting because it's like he don't you know, that's not the man he wants to be for his wife if she was really alive, you know, at this point the fact that yeah, he's done inside, like he's you know, hollow basically, man, it's.

The total loss of hope.

I think, Yeah, and that's what he represents the film.

He's filled with hope even during the times.

Well I think that.

I think that that sweetie actually really gaslights.

Uh, missus love it and uh actually Lisa and I watching it and that the Toby song to this is love it like the way like her eyes are welling up and just like you know, no one will hurt you while I'm around, And it was just like that to me was like, oh ship, you know, Sweety's a fucking piece of ships.

Is what's her name?

Yeah, And that's what heartbreaking is that he is there.

He's such an innocent child, correct he wants to protect her, not realizing that she's in cohoots with him.

It's but she also like takes a man, you know, just like and then gives him a ton of booze.

Okay at the well, you know, at the time, it wasn't.

Yeah, but the thing is drank a whole bottle of gin, Jacqueline.

It was a different time.

Can I have some more?

You come until you drink the gin?

You there, Maddy?

How can you have your pudding if you pis?

Anyways, but I thought that was the moment where it was just like, oh my gosh, she has like kind of a change of a thought, you know, but she's still very h subservient to Sweety.

It's not subserviance, it's it's it's also self preservation because this business is fueling her business.

It's altruism.

It's not just wanting to protect him, and it's not brainwashing by him.

It's like she's gonna get her ass, you know, nailed as well if he gets.

But that's that's very true.

So that's why she brings Toby down there.

And then all of a sudden, it's just like this is how we make the pies, and like he's looking around going you know, what the fuck are these body parts doing?

Because he takes a he takes one of the meat pies and is it a toe or like.

A finger or something.

Do some quality assurance, like check it out, mince it up a little bit more.

Should be cutting fingers off, right, You don't want fingernails in a pie regardless, even if yick grind.

Back in the day we used to eat finger.

But then again, her places and back of my day thumbs crossed the nickel.

Yeah, but yeah, her place is not exactly like above board anyway, like there's roaches everywhere.

God.

Just to cut back on the hope of Anthony, I like to the theme that he plays Joanna.

That's what keeps him hopeful.

His thought of Joanna constantly, even during the shitty moments when he's wandering around, that's the song that constantly he keeps saying again whenever his character is like doing something.

So I feel like that's his hope of getting through this is Joanna.

You're exactly right.

And that's why Sweeney loses his hope.

It's not just that the judge gets away, it's that he knows that now he knows about the plot for Anthony to run away with Johanna, and now the judge is like, well, you're never gonna see her again.

So then it's the loss of the possibility of getting his daughter back.

And so I think she really represents the hope for everybody, and that's why Anthony is able to maintain his but Sweeney loses his because he feels that that opportunity is lost.

So that it's funny.

I forgot that that was his daughter, Like I actually I forgot about that just until this moment.

I know, they mentioned the daughter, and then I forgot that she was the daughter.

That makes it.

Oh you didn't to me?

That was no.

I mean, I get it, but I just forgot, like while I was watching the movie, I just got wrapped up like she was just another love interest for the other character, you know what I mean.

I forgot that, like, oh, yeah, that's right, she's the daughter.

That's why she's kind of being health captive or whatever.

But yeah, So that's the thing is his mission is not just revenge.

It's also he wants revenge and then he wants to be reunited with her.

Right, But he didn't even know, Like he didn't even think his daughter was still around probably at all, right at first at first.

Note but then when you know, when does he hear about it?

Well, missus Lovett says that she's fifteen and she's a ward of the judge, so he knows that the judge is the one keeping her.

And then she just left out some of the details about the wife.

Well, and there was a great scene of Anthony when he first sees Joanna in the window, you know, and he sees her and it's just like, you know, that's when he starts singing.

But the mom, Papa, can you hear me?

I'm sorry that was the wrong movie.

Fiddler on the Roof, Diddler on the Roof, Diddler that's on porn now, by the way.

No, I mean there was a great scene.

Yeah, it was a great scene because he gives the warm and some money and she's like, don't go on, like she's watching over her daughter.

She knows that's her daughter, but she's kind of watching over.

From that scene, I was like, I think that's the mom.

That's the wife.

I never pick.

You could see she.

Has a pretty face underneath, you know, it's like covered with grime, but it was like still that pretty facy you saw earlier in the scene.

But she had that princess buttercup kind of look earlier with the golden hair, you.

Know, princess but the cup.

Yes, you have to say it like that, but the cup.

You would think I'm talking about this.

I love I love missus Lovett.

She makes me laugh a whole lot because she's so hilarious and practical.

But like you can tell from the get go that she's got a thing for Sweeney, and it's a lot to see him.

Like of all the thing she saved, his knives, his razors, you know, they are dope, dude, pretty badass.

But she's so hilarious, Like she's like her little song about the worst meat pies in London, Like that's so subtle.

But she just keeps on going, keeps on going.

Need this drink, trust me, right.

And there's a little scene where where Sweeney Todd is like having these grandiose visions of everything he's gonna do, and then it comes back to her and she's like, well, that's all very well and good, but what are we gonna do about him?

And there's like the dead body in the trunk, you know, yeah, and then she's the one who comes up with the idea to put the bodies in the pies.

You know, that's not Sweeney's idea, that's her idea.

But that was also a great scene because it's like goes, oh, yeah, we can do that.

What about that guy?

What about that guy?

And they're singing that chair.

They're making all those dark jokes about like, uh, you know, priests because they have it.

They don't indulge in sins of the flesh.

The flesh is like very poor and delicious, you know, these little different professions.

You know, the vica is thicker, all these little and then the grocer is green.

M hm.

Dude.

The gore, especially when they're dropping the bodies, like that first one that gets dropped.

Do you see the head crack, like right open?

There's a couple of good kill.

I'm sorry.

I laughed every single time.

I like it during that, but I didn't not enjoy it.

I actually enjoyed that about this movie?

Is that right?

Every time it happened was like, Okay, there's a oh my god, that was funny.

I mean the head.

Yeah, boom right on their head.

It's very darkly humorous.

I agree, but no, like it was.

It was quite gruesome.

I appreciated like the it went, it went.

This movie felt like a three dimensional That's what I liked about it.

Yeah, Gore, there's drama, there's actual story.

What I did appreciate too, is like, yes, it's a musical, but there's actual speaking dialogue as well.

Yes, eyeing in the musical numbers, which is those are the type of musicals I actually prefer instead of a totally just musical musical.

And Jacqueline, you know, I really dislike musicals, but I love this.

It felt like a three dimensional like like you're sitting in on Broadway and hydro break.

I know you live in New York, you know you have Broadway plays out there all the time.

I live off Broadway myself.

You know, sure, kind of.

There you go.

But like to me, it felt very three dimensional.

It didn't feel like a movie.

It felt like a like a musical or a play, just that it was a stage like that, you.

Know, backrons like the city skate backgrounds look like they're painted almost correct.

Yeah, he does like an animation style for a lot of stuff.

Yeah, he does love some of it.

I don't know the.

Opening scene with the cogs and the blood, it looks super fake, but it was also like The.

Rain though, I like the mix of rain and blood, like a little bit blood in the Rain.

I did like that aesthetic.

Well, they like the opening title sequence looked really good too, you know.

I know it was like computer generated or whatever, but it looked good because it's like it's pulling you into the movie.

If you never have seen this musical, you're kind of you kind of know what you're getting into, but not really.

I do think that I'd like the romantic montage too with Sweeney and love it when they were like yeah, it was like yeah.

You mean when she's dreaming of the future and he's just like yeah, mumbling along because he's focused on something else, Like huh, well.

He's so he's so stoic, and he's got the same look on his face each and every time, you know.

I thought that was some great acting.

And like the fact that you know, Helena Boum the Carter, to me like just killed this movie.

I thought she was like the star of this movie.

Well, she's a very talkative one, you know, and the scene no understood.

But most of the time I thought she choose every scene that she was in, you know, I thought she did, like perfectly.

I loved her death.

Oh that was yikes.

Yeah, I saw it.

I saw it.

I'm like, you're getting closer to that fucking yeah.

No, She to me she has a complicated character because she's like kind of zany, but but also, like I said, very practical, and you know, like she is actually of that role of of a woman who has to like keep the man kind of reined in and actually run things.

You know.

She said, that's fine, but there's a dead body there that we have to do something about.

But he represents hope for her in a way because her character, her spirits go up when he comes into town.

Right, and that thinks like emotionally she wants to keep that going.

Yeah, but I but she also really loves him, and there's kind of a sad there's a sad lovelorn quality about her.

She's been widowed and he loves another he's returned.

Yeah, and that's that's one of the worst feelings man, like unrequited love, and not not just that, but when you love somebody and you know they love somebody else.

That's so hard.

And she's trying so hard to like bring him into her world and create a future together, and he is just so singularly focused on his goal, his mission that you know, I think he likes her and cares for her, but that's not he doesn't deeply care about her, Like that's not what he's there for, you know.

And and it's so well, you could say he's using her.

You can say they're helping each other.

You know, they're helping each other, that's.

Right, But she she's also helping him to you know, figure shit out.

But he's just like, like his main focus is revenge.

He wants to get the judge.

And she picks the victims and then fucking tells the Yeah.

But she also is, you know, morally dubious because she is she has not been honest with him about his wife, and she knows what his mission is, and like I think she knows his mission would be different and he would feel differently if he knew his wife were alive, no matter what state she's in, and so there's a lot of complications with her.

You know, you might have put his revenge to the side if he knew his wife was alive, well, get his daughter back.

But maybe it'd be a.

Chance if he could get his family back, he might have given up on the revenge, and just so I don't.

Know about that.

He seems pretty hell bad on it for no other reason than being wrongfully imprisoned for fifteen years and taken away from his family, whether they're now alive or dead.

Did you reveal that at the end that she knew that that the wife was actually live?

Yes, she said it was better.

I thought it was better not to tell you because she's, you know, not the same and she's you know, it's she's this pitiful creature now and she's not the same woman you loved, and you know, I thought it was better.

And he's just enraged in that scene where he throws her in that fucking oven, oh my god, yeah, and locks it.

And we saw her lock it before when she was showing Toby how to work the oven, and it sounds like so heavy and final, and he locks that ship and she's inside screaming and it's just brutal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did love that.

I loved it a lot, a lot.

Oh.

Can we talk about Beatle Yes, please.

He's just a fucking character man, Like I love that guy, his accessories, like his speech, you know.

Yeah, he's like he's kind of chic in a way, like look at me.

He's like the way he walks, and it's.

I like to hold my friends and neighbors.

When they beat up the kid and he like throws the bag on him and like beats him, like I don't know, just something about him.

Well, he's like, we have the tractors for sanitary, it's gotta be And then he like sneezes and has not and like it okay, like a health code guy and you're like disgusting.

I love that is such a great character actor.

He's in so many things.

What was his name and Harry.

Oh, I don't remember his name.

I've got that in trivia somewhere, but he's in that.

He was in that Disney movie Enchanted with Amy Adams.

He's been in like a million things.

Like I feel like anytime you need some kind of like little British toady, like some little sidekick to some evil person, Like that's what you get is that guy.

I think s p a LLL.

I forget his first name, but he's everywhere.

He's fantastic.

Yeah.

I love the scene where like Sweeny's like convincing him to come up I've got something for you.

No I can.

I got to go check this out.

And he's like, well, I've got this scent, which is you know, yours is fantastic, but that'll get the ladies.

And he's like, you, guys know what I want for like a Mother's Day gift or something.

I want a cameo of that guy that actor saying alone, she will.

That's it.

That's to be your birthday.

Pres I hope he's on cameo milange.

If you will.

He has to say you will, and he has to.

Go birthday a milange of birthdays, if you will.

He doesn't smile.

He just frowns and goes.

John that it was funny before you like, you know, I don't like musicals really, you know.

And then I thought of the quote of John just going I hate musical ship.

I do.

Yeah, I remember that in one of our I don't know his Rocky Horror or whatever.

Maybe I think it was like, yeah, it was one of the first music musical ship.

How many music for a couple.

How many we did repo?

I had another one on the docket a long time ago that we never did really right.

We had that zombie Christmas one I think we were going to do one time.

Oh an apocalypse.

Yeah, oh, I didn't know that I had been on the schedule at any point.

Around a little bit and then it just disappeared.

Yeah, this is earlier on.

But I always get excited whenever I check our spl will and you will.

Every time you'll laugh, you know, you try to laugh without smiling.

You got to bring your jaw down and like stick your throat out a little like.

A bull frog.

Yes, yeah, kind of.

Yeah, that's I just feel like that would be it, and then we could have that as a SoundBite forever.

You as it the best.

Octavia Spencer, she.

Was almost on our docket for today.

Well we will talk about that baby later.

But like, she has this new show on Food Network.

I think it's like Great Southern Home Cooking or something like that.

Yeah, does, I'm on my way.

I'm running to It's awesome.

Like every time she eats something and she tries to laugh while she's eating.

Spoiler, it's all made with bacon.

Bacon, She frowns, but she's laughing.

She's like, he said, I'm gonna run home and watch that's a spoiler.

All this great Southern food is made with bacon.

I know that, you know that's the spoiler for.

My mama's people are all from Tennessee and West Virginia.

I already know that bacon is a shrimp, gumbo, cramp potato, cramped potato, shrimp and potatoes.

What is that I don't.

I don't eat shrimp, I am.

I eat almost no seafood.

Who I know?

I like.

I like some kinds of fish, and I'm very picky about it.

So as I used to not like fish, but then I realized there's certain fish that I actually do like.

And then I started liking she which I never used to like.

And then like now I like seafood, Like there's definitely seafoods I like.

I wish I did, I wish I did.

And I try various things from time to time to see if I've developed the taste, and I just never have.

Like I don't like.

I will not eat any shell fish.

No shellfish for me.

And with fish, it can't be too fishies.

You know, fish tasted like I like cod, I like halibit.

Well, my brother Paul hates fish, so he's with you there, Jacqueline.

Yeah, I'm picking really well done.

We should shark Tember.

Wait what huh?

Who said that?

I don't say that.

Okay, people can get confused because coming soon.

Nope, there's no.

Nope, just.

In September.

Guys, there's nothing happening.

Anything else we have to talk about.

You.

I mean, I think you know, we talked a lot about the end, you know.

I think that, like you said, John, I think the ending is just as it should be with the three innocent ones.

You know, they get to start their lives over.

I don't know what happens to Toby.

Do you think maybe Joanna and Anthony will take care of Toby, make a little family, I would una, I.

Don't think so.

They had no interaction like throughout the movie.

I think Toby like becomes the new Sweeney.

No, he did have a look in his eye.

He did.

I was curious, like, why did you kill Sweeney because he killed Bonham.

Yeah, he wanted to protect her.

Okay.

I honestly took it as like an abusive relationship type thing game where he was upset actually that he killed the judge who was right?

He was Toby's Toby was not the judge.

No, no, no, no, yeah, maybe you know he recognized that Sweeney was dangerous, and I don't think he ever realized that Missus Lovett was dangerous, and so I think it was him trying to be like a man and yeah, to protect protect his mother figure and correct.

Did he see him.

Kill her, That's what I'm saying.

Did he see him throw her in the oven?

See him wanting to kill him for that?

Like that smells like that smells like what's her name, Missus Lovett?

That like her perfume?

Yeah, yeah, I mean because he comes up from the sewer and you know there was that scene, there was that scene like before that happened, is that Missus Lovett actually has that purse thing that that Pirelli has and gave him a coin, you know, go get us some taffy or whatever it was.

So so he recognized that, probably he.

Did, But but I don't think.

I don't think that detracted him from.

But then that is how he knew that Perelli was dead, and then that could have inspired his revenge to kill what's his name at.

The end, right, But but he didn't really like put two and two together.

He actually told her that it's like, I don't trust him.

He's like a demon and you know started thinking about this person was his caretaker, right, but the person, the person that or that little coinbag that he saw was actually from Missus love It like because she.

She took it from PERELLI correct, his dead body.

That's right, But I don't think he associated that.

I think he just like was protective of Missus loving is the way I looked.

It's a revenge story, so it would make sense actually that he might be.

He might.

It's a psycho, so now he's getting he got revenge.

That's what I was thinking too.

Either way, he's getting revenge for one character or another bent.

Sure, yeah, but he was you know, he was like a good little boy.

And even though he was beaten by this guy, that guy still gave him a home, fed him and kept him occupy and and employed and whatever.

So there's still going to be some kind of love there for a father of these sort of relationship in this weird abusive way.

Maybe ye enough to like, you killed my that was my bread and butter too, even though he beat me.

You know, well, I think he was getting paid better by Missus Lovett and getting more love and affection and care.

But I think that was what was most valuable to him and he wanted to protect that how much with them, Yeah, it was I think it was a while, but I don't know.

I just I would like to imagine an ending where Anthony and Joanna take care of him or bring him with them wherever they go or whatever.

But you're right, I don't think they really we're aware of each other.

Now that you say.

That, I think there's a director's cut and you see Toby's walking across the street and like one of the cabs comes like a like a horse carriage and he's like, I'm walking here.

Forget about it.

That's a long set up like that paid off.

There was a little there was a little bit of a Talie in with.

Toby cut that.

There was a Talian with the wig thing, you know, where Anthony and Sweeney or talking about you're the apprentice, you need to go get hair from one of these insane asylum patients for a wig, and they like at the beginning of the movie is that Toby actually has his blonde wig on, but he's a he's a brunette and takes it off, and oh, I like the way that tight end a little bit.

Yeah, that's I didn't put that together.

You're right, it does.

I didn't notice too.

It's like he looked darker at one point later on, I was like, oh, he looks different and he did something different with his hair.

Yeah, he took it like like when he went to missus Love it's eating the meat pie.

He's like, oh, this is itchy or something like that.

She mentioned something about his hair and then he just pulls it off and.

It's tofu hot.

Yeah.

I love that one reveals that he's not actually telling He's like, it's Davy Davy Collins.

Sasha Parcoe's real voice.

Okay, what we're gonna say.

I really loved the tension in the moment when like he's got the judge in his seat for the first time and he's shaved him and he's actually just shaving him.

But you're like, is this the cut?

Is this the one he's gonna cut him?

But he doesn't.

It comes and he just shaved and the way they dive, they just kind of play on that.

I was like, oh, god, yea.

Why he does eventually eventually, But didn't you feel that when that moment was lost.

And like.

The kid comes in, It's like I was just about to get laid.

What the fuck did you come in?

Like in the room for It's like one of those moments.

If Sweeney had killed the judge in that moment the first time, I wonder if maybe it all would have been over.

Yeah, it would have been, and he wouldn't.

Have like had that you know, dark turn, darker turn.

It's almost like he was doing the dark stuff to enter, like not entertain himself, but because he couldn't kill the judge, you know what I mean, And then he was waiting his time out to till he could.

Well, if I remember correctly, this really held true to the musical.

Yeah, I think it does, and I have trivia about that.

But Stephen Sondheim did the the Broadway show, and uh, you know, I think Tim Burton was nervous for uh what is this Sondheim?

Is that how you say it?

I'm say whatever, But so Timburton was like nervous for him to see it, but someheime actually approved.

Oh nice, Yeah, and like I think he was like against it at first, but when he saw what tim Burton's vision was, he was like, Okay, I think it might be the only film adaptation of any of his works that he actually approves.

Of Oh wonderful.

Yeah, and again it just felt like like this three dimensional Broadway play.

I mean, because you saw every angle and you've got to see the stuff that like if you're sitting in the audience, you're not going to see.

But the way it was like, you know, like if you're watching it in virtual reality.

Yeah, so it was very cool.

Well, you guys ready to do your reviews?

Yes, Jacqueline, you picked this gosh darn movie Sweny Todd from two thousand and seven.

What is your reading?

Well, you know, I still love this movie.

It's been a long time since I've seen it, and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

To be honest with you, it was really a mood.

Like I said before, it was a mood that I've been craving, and it really fulfilled that desire in me.

Is like I really like kind of sank down into that vibe and it felt good.

I love it.

I love all those movies like that, like from Hell has that kind of vibe and you know, there's a whole there's a whole bunch.

But so I think it's just really an excellent film.

Like I think it's really well made.

I think the art design is really masterful.

I think the acting performances are fantastic.

I love the way it's staged.

Like you mentioned john it still kind of looks like a play in a way, but expanded kind of if that makes any sense.

And you know, I don't think of Johnny Depp as a singer really, but I have to say, like he carried off those vocal performances, like it was very believable as that character.

I think it just looks beautiful.

I don't know.

All the lighting is so like gray and blue, and then the blood is in such sharp contrast to that.

It's so bright and artificial.

Thinking Johnny Depp was in a barbershop quartet.

Yes he was.

On Moonlight.

Yeah, so that the blood looks very fake.

It looks like melted ceiling wax to me, Like, yeah, I like it too.

Would you say?

Like felt like a Jellow movie.

A little bit like watching it this time with more horror experience since I've seen it the first time, I was like, yeah, it kind of reminded me of Jella.

It's not quite the same color, but a little.

Bit more than Jallo.

The whole vibe feels very grand Guinole to me that, like it's like that kind of early Victorian.

It's like the very grotesque State is like an era of grotesque stage productions with like lots of blood and very gruesome storytelling.

So I feel like this is very much like a a modern Grand Guinual type of play, but on on film, And from what I understand, I haven't John, I haven't seen any version of the stage play, whether the original from nineteen seventy or the Broadway production or any of its revivals.

But oh, from what I understand, it sounds like Temperton really amped up the gore in this, which was maybe like more kind of reserved in the stage productions.

And so I like that.

I appreciate that.

I think, you know, film is a good medium to do that, and that you know, on the stage it's not so practical, right, but in a film you can, you know, throw as many buckets of that around as you want to.

And so I think, you know, like I said, I think these characters are actually surprisingly complex.

Of Sweeney Todd and Missus love it, you know, like you sympathize with Sweeney, but then you see what a monster he's becoming, and you sympathize with missus love it, but you have to yourself that she's doing some shady shit.

You feel bad for her because she's obviously in love with Sweeney Todd.

And you know, it's very telling in that early moment when she first shows him his old apartment and shows him the knives and he's singing to the knife and he's like, my friend.

And then she's singing to him and she's like my friend, but he's not looking at her at all.

He's only looking at the knife and she's only looking at him, and it's like, that's all you need to know about that relationship, right and so and so it tugs on your heart strings a little bit, even though they're both doing horrible things, like they're kind of horrible people, and so it's it's, you know, it's complicated, and you have complicated feelings watching it and watching these people do these things, and so you know you're aligning with them, and it's and you know that's it's easy to like kind of be seduced by them a bit, but then there are moments that shock you out of that.

So it's I think it's just really well done.

I think you know, it's to me, it's like the perfect material for Tim Burton.

Really, man, I love that guy.

So yeah, I don't really have any complaints about it.

Honestly, it's it's just a really solid movie.

I would come back to this, you know, repeatedly over the years, and I have come back to it repeatedly over the years.

So I'm gonna give it nine out of ten.

Bloody Razor Blades, I love that.

Yeah, thanks John, what about you?

Yeah, well, Jacqueline, you know my affliction for yeah, freaking musicals.

Actually, again, I have a lot of nostalgia for this movie.

I just you know, any kind of musical kind of takes me out of it because it's like, if I'm feeling something, I don't need to sing about it.

But this, this hits me in like very nostalgic ways, you know, being in high school and watching this movie and being very very enthralled with the story of Swinging Todd.

I agree with you.

I mean, this movie is like it's a stage play and they can expand upon that.

But the other thing I really loved about it is it's okay, this is London, whatever year it is, eighteen thirty seven or whatever it is.

It just feels very condensed, like it's just is one little area and that's where they stay.

And I love that.

It doesn't feel like, you know, I need to run out in the field ten miles to the west and I'm in a cornfield or a weak field or whatever it might be.

But it just.

In the cornfield, which I loved, by the way.

Okay, I didn't love that movie, but actually, again it's just more nostalgia for me.

And the singing didn't bother me, I think, Yeah, it actually really added to the theme of the movie.

And Hydroburgy you brought up like y'all of blood.

I got past that.

It didn't bother me at all.

I like it.

Yeah, I did too.

You know, I liked the dummies falling down, you know that that freaking trap.

Dummies.

It felt like it, you know, it felt like they felt like they were hitting the same exact way each time with each dummy, and it you know, you saw brain matter or whatever it was.

Jacqualie, you found one of the few musicals I actually really really love.

I really, you know, it's good.

When didn't hate the singing.

I didn't, you know, it added to the movie, you know, and like I told you.

We saw that scene between Missus love It and and Toby, you know, and there was that very emotional moment.

You know, she got choked up.

She'll tell you she got like like really emotional about it.

And it was a very strong scene.

And I thought, you know, because she he loves her like a mom, I'll protect you.

I'll do everything I can.

Sweet.

He was, he was a sweet kid.

He was just an interesting kid.

He he uh said a line.

He's like, you know, I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

And it was it was really really good.

It was like, I don't know, Johnny Depp killed it in this movie started me was Helen in a bottom Carter.

You know.

I thought Sasha Bear and Code did a fantastic job.

Whatever.

The guy what was his name Turtle or whatever?

Oh Turpin, Turpin.

Turpin and the other guy is like his sidekick.

Yeah, beatle all did a great job.

But Helena Wannham Carter was like like she carried this movie for me.

Like every time she was on screen, he just wanted to watch her.

He enjoyed everything that she was singing about, everything that she was talking about, and it's like, yeah, I'm drawing it.

So Jack fucked like that since I was in high school.

Oh my god, I'm actually god, I was sitting like right at an eight.

But I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it up.

I'm gonna, seriously, I'm gonna bring this up.

This is an eight point five out of ten bloody raisin blades.

Oh my god, I never thought I would give him to five.

Oh my god, what world are we living in?

John?

Is that the growth?

Yeah, it actually is.

But you actually brought some nostalgia back for me.

So, I mean, like for me, I was, you know, being in high school and seeing this movie and just really like enjoying it.

Well, even if fuck John just gave a musical an eight points, I just pot.

My pants browne.

I did it with the brown note.

Oh my god, to go change my underwear.

I'll be right back.

Go ahead.

Heidiberg, all right, Heidiberg, what are your thoughts on sweety Todd?

I'm gonna sing them.

I'm gonna sing my thoughts now.

Uh yeah, A lot of stuff you guys say, great casts man with some really great performances.

I do appreciate that.

It's like, you know, there's some written dialogue here.

And it's not just musical.

Uh, there's actually a good story here.

You're not, let's say, you can't have a good story with just musical stuff numbers.

But for me, it ties it in a little bit better and it makes the musical numbers more palatable for me, which I don't really have a big problem with.

And they're good in this.

I like them.

They're written well, they perform pretty decent.

You know, some perform better.

Like you said, Johnny deps not necessarily a singer, but he does well.

He broods really well on screen and like he just has presence.

Uh, you know.

I love the setting and the atmosphere.

I thought it was really well done.

I too, like a film like this in the setting, a period film like this.

I loved Penny Dreadful as a show because of that, you know, just being a Penny Dreadful makes sense.

I love the costume design.

Everybody strips, everybody looks great.

Yes, Beatles such a piece of ship.

But I love his character.

I love the way he looks.

He's so smarmy.

That's the word for me.

Yeah, I like that.

I like there's a good bit of acting here, and not just the singing, but also like like Sasha Barra Cohen is in this, like I saw for the first time wherever He's like, Oh, he can really act his ass off too.

Alan Rickman's in this like just held the bottom.

Carter just a great cast.

Even the younger actors that I don't really know that well are good.

I really liked Oh, what's his wife's name again, Lucy Lucy.

Yeah, the beggaro a woman.

I really liked her character.

M h what are you eating?

Sorry, I'm always eating them, Clementine, Sorry, oh yum.

I thought I could squeeze one and yeah, they were on so I'm trying to keep more fruit in the house.

Yeah.

I love the gore, very practical and jallo esque.

I loved it.

I just think that that's what's cool about this movie.

It's like it's it's so it's it's a horror movie.

It's it's like not unapologetic.

It's like we're a fucking horror movie but also a musical.

It's a very dark themed, you know, story, and we're just gonna lean into it.

I love that, mm hmm.

And I like that it's like Tim Burton's he's able to do that because I feel like he's he's gone a little bit that route and some of his other films.

His films have always been darker, but this is like a chance to kind of do like a horror one.

I thought the story is really good too.

I really like the story, and I thought the directing by Burton here was really good.

I think this is one of his better later films.

I agree, honest that's where he loses a lot of us as fans.

Yes, later films, Yeah, I agree.

You know, adaptations go.

I think I really like this one.

And because this was a passion project of his, like you said, he sat on it for a while.

I don't love the animated camera movement scenes.

Luckily there's not a lot of them, but there's a couple of moments where we like zoom around town.

Yeah, I just felt we kind of yeah, just took me off for a moment.

But it was just just supposed to show the city real fast and like we're in the dirty part of the city.

It was just to get us to the shop.

I guess there are moments of bloat here or there.

I felt like, like, honestly, I don't know that the film needs to be two hours.

I feel like we could have cut it down a little bit.

You know, it's two hours of singing.

And we know that John hates musical ship.

I love it, John, I love musical ships.

That's a new quote, John, I love musicals.

I'm gonna pull that out.

Yeah, whenever I need to.

John loves musicals.

We all know, you guys all heard it.

I'm getting two bupper stickers.

I'm getting to bumper stickers.

I just want to podcast.

And it's a very bittersweet movie, which I do actually love.

But that might not be the happiest watch for some, but I love it.

It's so poetic.

It just makes sense that his character would go down this road.

He's not meant to be happy at the end.

Unfortunately.

Yeah, a lot of our characters aren't.

It's not I'm not going to say unfortunately.

He made some choices like yeah, he was done right, I.

Mean unfortunate because you want to watch him, you want to watch it work out for him, you know, you want to root for him, but.

Choices he does.

Yeah.

But with all that said, I wish this film did play a little bit more on the food.

It didn't make me hungry really at all.

Like the met Plug just never looked good, even when they even though when they got better, they just didn't look good.

She's just not a good cook.

She's not, but she means well.

But with all that said, I'm giving oh, Jacob, Yeah, do you want to guess what.

I'm gonna guess that you're gonna give it an eight point five?

I'm giving it an eight at a time.

Okay, okay, what was it, bloody raised blade or my arm?

My arm is complete?

Hm hm, oh okay, you're having a different one.

No.

I just like that.

I like that saying because it was like his blade was part of his arm.

It was an extension of him, you know, because at one point he actually created with those you know, he was actually barber, like he enjoyed his profession.

Yeah now it now he uses it for murder.

Well that's his job now mm hmm.

All right, you guys ready for some trivia?

Oh my god, yes, okay, I'm ready for trivia trivia.

It is beautyful again.

Sorry, I'll stop singing.

This movie did very well.

It had a budget of fifty million dollars, which I think is quite high.

And yeah, it grows one hundred and fifty three point four million dollars in the box office.

Wow, this was.

A pretty this was a pretty like critical critical success.

It has very high ratings on Rotten Tomatoes and Metals and all that.

It's it's pretty universally loved.

And just going through trivia, I saw like all these different magazine lists and stuff that name it as one of the best, like top twenty musicals of the twentieth twenty first century, one of the thirty best musicals of all time, movie musicals of all time, one of the five hundred best movies of all time.

Like, just critics love this movie.

So yeah, it's it's it did well.

It's not a divisive movie in general, and that's not to say it's for everyone, but from a critical standpoint, I think there's you know, I don't know that there are too many who can say a really negative word about it, like anything serious.

So you're saying something like allegory or.

Something like that, right, right, yes, in the same neighborhood.

Yeah.

It was nominated for four Golden Globes and it won for Best Picture Musical or Comedy.

It won for Best Actor Johnny Depp, and it was nominated for Best Director for Tim Burton and Helena Bottom Carter was nominated for Best Actress for her performances Missus Lovett.

Yeah it was.

It also received three Oscar nominations for Best Actor, Johnny Depp, Best Costume Design, and then it actually won the Oscar for Best Art Direction.

So okay, yeah, like that's like, this is an Oscar winning film, nice, which is a little surprising to me, but it's I think it deserves it.

So yeah, the art design was just out of this world.

Okay.

So I talked about this a little bit earlier.

But Stephen Sondheim, who composed the Broadway show, he's apparently notoriously protective of his stage works, and he originally put up a lot of resistance to allowing anyone to adapt his film, and there were other directors of Originally it was actually supposed to be Sam Mendy's directing this and starring I want to say Russell Crowe, I've got that on my triviult, but I think it's Russell Crowe.

The James Oh, I don't remember.

That.

I might be thinking a different I don't know.

But then when Tim Burton expressed interest, Sondheim was like, Okay, this could be good, and so he kind of heard about what tim Burton's vision was going to be, and he was like, okay, I'll you know, I'll give it my blessing on the condition that Sondheim would maintain final casting approval.

So, as we all know, tim Burton has very strong preferences for casting, and so there was like a lot of discussion there, some some tension.

Tim Burton would only agree to direct if he could cast Johnny Depp in the lead.

And uh and his wife.

No, he's not Rob Zombie.

He was married, actually he was.

Were they married at that time or just involved?

I don't know, but yeah, they were.

They were, So you're right.

But Steven Sondheim was a little cautious about Johnny Depp because you know, he sings in like a rock band, and so he's like, oh, he's gonna sound too rock.

But then when Johnny Dupp did an audition, then Sondheim was convinced.

And then Helena Bottom Carter.

Originally Sondheim didn't like that choice, and he was like, oh, this is nepotism.

That's your wife or your girlfriend or whatever.

But she sent him twelve audition tapes of her singing, and so he relented because he was actually impressed by her singing.

He's like, yep, and so he immediately improved her when he approved her when he saw all those auditions.

So yeah, and he states that this is the only one of his works that was adapter for the screen that he actually approves of.

So that's, you know, that's high praise when everyone else fails and this one is the one that gets the approval.

What are some of his other works?

I don't know.

Oh, okay, if I saw any of them, I was just like, well, I don't know, like they actually are good movies and he just thinks they're bad, or like, yeah.

I don't know.

I like, I'm sure I've heard of all the musicals and seen some of them, and I just don't know that they're Sondheim.

Rob would know.

I bet Rob would absolutely.

Would you say this was the Cenis and Cane musical.

Twenty first century musicals?

Very good, john very good?

Oh my god, I don't know.

I would say that Johnny Depp is the orson wells of Tim.

Burton's well done Jack.

Oh my god, this joke is not getting any less funny to me, all right.

In some of Sweeney Todd's scenes where he opens the razor, it's actually like a spring loaded, like mechanical razor because Johnny Depp was having trouble handling the real razors, and so he had the prop department design one that could just like like flip open with a button.

So he's got a button that his thumb is covering.

I love this fact.

Sasha Baron Cohen.

For his audition, he sang the entire score for Fiddler on the Roof.

You were making a joke about that earlier, but he really did say that whole thing for Steven Sonheim, I mentioned this before.

Tim Burton insisted that the film be bloody, as he felt that stage versions of the play, which cut back on the bloodshed, robbed it of its power, and he was quoted as saying everything is so internal with Sweeney that the blood is like his emotional release.

It's more about Catharsis than it is a literal thing.

I get that.

Yeah.

To prepare for his role, Sasha Baron Cohen hired his own personal barber to teach him about the skills of being a barber, and he took up to like sixteen hours to learn how to handle a razor and learn how to shave a person for real and stuff.

Oh yeah, he just paid his Yeah, I like this.

Johnny Depp said in an interview that he considers Sweeney Todd to be like a long lost relative to Edward Scissorhands.

I get it.

He looked like, Yeah, he could like.

Like a robot.

Well, you know, long relative, not the same thing.

Fucking continuity, jackline.

It doesn't make sense.

Okay, I'm a nerd.

Okay.

I love trivia about who could have played the part.

Anne Hathaway was almost cast as Joanna, but Tim Burton wanted a completely unknown actress for the role, so they got Jane Weisner and then Anne Hathaway, of course, went on to appear in Alice in Wonderland.

The pies, well, some of the pies were actually edible, while others were made of fiber, some were made of rubber, and the actor who played Toby said that he ate some of the pies and even though they looked really gross, like even the ones from the beginning, he said they tasted fine.

Oh nice.

Oh soide behind did like some of his movies are.

A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum into the woods West Side story okay, from twenty twenty one and from nineteen sixty one.

Oh wow, he's older than I thought.

Yeah, he passed away in twenty twenty one.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Johnny Depp's the only American in the cast.

Oh that's right.

Yeah, everybody else is British.

Yeah.

So the tradition for the stage play is to have the character of Toby be an actually like adult character, but like mentally challenged, and so in the stage productions it's always been like a grown man playing the role, not a child.

So I thought that was interesting.

Yeah, I don't remember that from watching in high school.

The address on Missus Lovett's shop is number one eighty six Fleet Street, and that's a reference to the London legend of Sweeney Todd, who was said to have his barber shop at that very address.

Oh well, you already mentioned that.

The original Broadway production starred Angela Lansberry that ran for five hundred and fifty seven performances and won the nineteen seventy nine Tony Awards for Best Musical, Best Book, and Best Score.

A lot of books performing, I know, it's a lot, dude.

And Joel Lansbury was fucking awesome as she was so awesome in that role.

She was pulling some of that granny, that granny energy from.

Correct as you would say, murder, she wrote.

Yes, murder, she wrote, murders.

Somebody should do a musical murder.

She wrote, followed by matt Lock and the Golden Girls.

And Colombo one more.

So.

This was the seventh collaboration between Tim Burton and Johnny Depp.

They had previously done Edward Scissorhands, Edward Sleepy Hollow, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Dark Shadows, and The Corpse Bride together.

So all those movies before this, yep.

And they've done more since then, so yeah, yep.

Catherine Tidy was the food stylist for the movie, and during the production she was interviewed and at that time she had made about six hundred pies with still more to come, So a lot of pies.

Yeah.

I mentioned this before.

Oh, this is a long list of who could have played the part get Ready.

This film had been in development for over twenty five years.

Hundreds of actors were either considered for the role or attached to the project to play Sweeney Todd.

We had William Hurt Michael Douglas, Harrison Ford, Dustin Hoffman, Robert de Niro, Al Pacino, Richard Dreyfuss, Gene Hackman, Robert Redford, what, Jack Nicholson, Steve Martin, Tim Curry, Kevin Klein, Warren Batty, and many more.

So it's like basically everyone in Hollywood.

It seems Justin Hoffman, like Dustin Hoffman actually played Justin Hoffman.

I don't know if i'd like Jack Nicholson in it, but Steve Martin, I feel like some of that like Little Shop of Horror.

He's just a wild and crazy guy.

He would bring some of that Little Shop of Horror's energy.

As for the role of Missus love and John, you were talking about how you really enjoyed Helena Bottom Carter as as Missus Lovett.

Some other possibilities could have been Tony Collette, Kate Winslet yes, Bernadette Peters.

Yes, and Nicole Kidman Nope.

Uh yes, Sam Mendy's and Russell Crowe are originally going to be the pairing there.

Nope.

Let's see here.

Okay, So you mentioned Harry Potter a few times.

Hydrogradic's ward, I know.

What he is, a wizard, So five Harry Potter alumni appear in this film, so Helena Bottom Carter who played Missus Lovett.

She was Bellatrix the Strange you had Alan Rickman, of course as Severus Snape.

Timothy Spall is his name, who played Beetle and in the movie The Harry Potter Movies he played Peter Pettigrew.

So Jamie Campbell Bauer who played Anthony, and Sweeney Todd played Gellert Grindewald in Harry Potter.

I never watched those movies.

What, oh did you read the books?

No?

Oh, wow, that's kind of You're kind of a rare, rare breed, John.

And then finally, Johnny Depp was in not the main Harry Potter movies, but the like Fantastic.

What's his name, Agner?

I don't know, but I got an owl from Harry Potter.

It's cute.

Yeah, I've never seen any of the Fantastic Beast movies, but sweety jeez, Donny Johnny Depp, I can't speak.

Johnny Depp also played the same role as Anthony in the Fantastic Beast movie, playing Gellert Grindwald.

So that's kind of interesting.

And that's all about that's all my trivia.

I love it.

Yeahline, thank you, good pick today week than you.

I'm glad you guys liked it.

I was.

I was hoping I wasn't torturing you, but fearing that I.

Was, no, no, no again.

You know you just like hit like a wonderful memory bank from high school and I really enjoyed this movie.

So thank you.

I'm so glad.

Well, Hydroberg, it's your pick next week?

What have you got lined up for us?

We're gonna be doing some collecting.

What like stamps, yeah, coins.

Comic books, spoons, people maybe what.

Yeah, we're going to be covering U the Collector from two thousand and nine.

Okay, I've never seen this.

Yeah, yeah, this is going to be a new one for me.

I want to say we covered this on Horror for you.

Did you the sequel as well too?

But we'll get to it.

Is that called the Collection?

I think?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, I remember at the time it came out, seeing it at Blockbuster and people recommended it to me, and it was just one of those things I didn't get around to.

But yeah, from what we may or may not have a special guest, So tune in.

Now.

I remember enjoying this movie.

It was like like one of those underground movies.

I don't know about it.

I don't know about it.

I don't want to.

Don't you seen it?

No?

Oh?

Wow?

Nice?

Yeah?

Yeah me too.

Yeah.

I think I have a sense of what the vibe might be, but I might be wrong.

So, but I just don't.

We haven't covered a lot of movies with this vibe yet, so I feel.

Like, yeah, agreed is a lounge of subgenres.

Sure if you will.

Genres?

All right, well, I'll look forward to that.

If you want to write in and share your your recipe for meat pies that are hopefully better than this is you love it?

You can email us at a cut above Horror Review at gmail dot com.

You can also follow us on x at cut about Horror.

You can follow us on Instagram at a cut of one word that horror on the score review.

And make sure you follow us on Facebook kind of Horror review.

Give us those five star ratings on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Also, our friends over at Cinemi Goes make sure you give those five star ratings.

We'd love it.

Thank you.

Yeah, as Cinemi Goes, we have a north By Northwest will be dropping in like the next shit.

Yeah I can, yes, okay mm hmmm, well fellas, it's been real.

I hope you finished the night singing and I will see you next week for the Collector.

And keep it creepy.