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Yeah, yeah, get out there and put the cleat so far up.

It's a big game swing.

Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.

A lot of people are gonna be coming over on Sunday.

Apparently you can have some guests out at the midnight tavern.

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But I just I don't know if I enjoy it, because you know, if the if the Lions end up sucking, then I'm gonna have a melt down in front of a couple of people.

But you know the way to solve that.

I mean, the people know me, so I mean they like, you gotta make Groovy Donuts part of your gathering.

They are going to be actually oh okay, yeah, yeah, and two of the people so they know my meltdowns.

Okay, they know me.

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First, please rate Aiden Childs on the following one through ten college quarterback scale.

If one is Damon Dowdell and ten is Drew Stanton.

There's only like four spots between those guys.

I don't Damon now.

Donner Cook's not a ten?

Is Connor Cook not a ten?

Yeah, Drew Stanton is not a ten.

I know a lot of people love Drew stand but I remember sitting on a bus in Houston with Michigan State's former offensive coordinator.

I think he's a former offense quarter He's on the staff in two thousand and six, the last year of Drew Stanton, the final year of John L.

Smith, and he was not.

He was the coach at Rice.

I think it was on a bus now I'm misremembering.

It was in Houston, there was a ball, is it in your car?

Was in eight Texas bull It's coming Western Michigan.

I lived in Kalamazoo.

But we were just shooting the breeze about that era when he was there, and and just how much Stanton struggles, Like Stanton was a great quarterback in five, and how much his senior year not being very good hurt Michigan State.

And now the coaches could never figure it out.

He just wasn't that good that year.

And I think and it led to I mean, there are a lot of things that led to the downfall that era, but Stanton was not great at the end.

I think Stanton is is misremembered a little bit.

Dowdell though when people ask are you a Michigan State fan and things like that, and obviously I answered, you know.

What, absolutely not her street.

It's no.

But but there was this period of my life obviously as a kid where I was teenager, I was, and even into my early early twenties, and I do remember the last time being angry about a Michigan State football moment was a Damon dow Dell interception to a Rutgers defensive tackle.

I think it was taken back for a pick six.

And it was you know, two thousand and three, four whatever year that was.

And I had to go cover a high school volleyball tournament in Forrest and which is like fifteen miles south of Freeport and driving down Baileyville Road all annoyed about that and didn't see the end like that was.

That's that's like my last memory of fandom with Michigan State.

So you can place that timeline on that damondw Dell, is it?

So?

I still have driving annoyed.

I still have that visceral site, that visceral reaction that that other people do to the Damon daal Dell interceptions.

And you not use a turn signal or something like how do you drive like it's a country road, two lane road, probably just going too fast, like just need to start grabbing the wheel and turned in it souide, probably doing sixty eight instead of fifty six, you know whatever, a little a little quick through the cornfields.

Yeah.

To rate where to rate Aiden Childs on a one to ten college QB scale?

Right, now incomplete.

It's very incomplete because right now you have all sorts of grades all over the place.

You have games that have been a three and a two, you have games that have been a five.

You have the last game and second half in overtime, which is up there like an eight and a nine like, and you have to do it with consistency.

So what is he now?

I don't know that.

That's that's the challenge with that, and people want an answer, but if you give them an answer, they're going to hold you to that.

Right it's incomplete.

You just really can't say right now because I think if you put if you try to average them together and you say he's a six or a five or whatever, I was gonna go seven and be nice about it, or even I think that's kind of high.

Yeah, we just don't know.

He was better than that the second half of last game, but he was not better than that for parts of the first Like, So what is he?

It's just it's an impossible answer right now.

And I think it's one of those things.

Ask that question after the Nebraska game, when he's played, you know, two games on the road against you have seen Nebraska off a better sense Parker Weiss.

Next, what constitutes success for MSU this Saturday?

Covering a super inflated spread, just win, just the eye test, a shutout, a certain point, total starters out before the fourth quarter, or something else.

Try to pick a main one for us to g age with.

Please couch, it's up, t O, Oh, what's up?

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Listen to the show?

Must This is tricky to pick one thing to look at.

If I were picking one thing that I am curious to look at, and obviously there's an injury thing.

You can say, get out healthy.

You don't want a single injury out there, right, But I actually Alessio the backup quarterback.

I want to see him get in the game, and this doesn't necessarily constitute huge success for the team and all that.

I want to see him get in the game and throw pass.

It's not an interception that would be nice.

I think he can start.

I think he needs that.

I also think it's important for this team the idea that that Aiden Childs is going to get through this year entirely healthy, without missing a snap, without missing a quarter, without even missing a game.

It's possible.

I mean, he's been pretty durable to this point, but he is the quarterback that takes some hits and you need a guy that can you rely on a little bit, and and the staff is really high on Lesso.

But the problem is his only game experience right now in terms of two throws and two different seasons, is two interceptions, like people need to see it, and not only that, he probably needs to see it.

I think him having a good quarter, a couple possessions, some actual passes that are completed.

I think these would all be big deals potentially for the season that aren't even seen in the moment.

There's lots of stuff he could say, you know, in terms of, you know, dominating the line of scrimmage, you know, pressure on the quarterback, but all that will be sort of cash couched, couch couched and the idea that you're playing an inferior opponent at a lower level.

And so what does it actually mean going forward?

I think the biggest thing you could see that success for me is guys who don't usually get opportunities doing something that makes you go.

And that includes Alessio Parker, no Jared.

Why does Joe Rossi have a good reputation as a d C before coming to Michigan State.

Well, he was good at Minnesota.

They had some really good defenses as twenty three twenty two, so he came into twenty four.

I think it was one of those years they were really phenomenal.

They beat the heck at MSU once there as well.

He just doesn't he need some guys though.

Yeah, he's well regarded.

He's just well regarded and he's yeah, that's.

I mean, it's the lack of pass rush on ROSSI right, Well, I think what he actually does for pass rushing we saw it earlier last year is fairly sophisticated and we saw sort of this layering of pressure.

The problem is once they started placing high major teams and they had some injuries, they couldn't do it, which spoke to the talent level.

Now is a coordinator.

It's your job to do the best you have with what you have, and great coordinators get the most out of it.

You know.

I think Scotty Hazelton was not a great coordinator, but he did have a season where I thought he got the most out of that defense that twenty twenty one year that a lot will remember that for that offense in Kenneth Walker and Jaden Reed and Jalen Naylor and all that stuff, but the bend but don't break approach that drove people nuts.

They were an opportunistic defense, and I still remember him talking about we're doing what we have to do.

He said, to survive, and he understood that, you know, giving some ten yard cushions, making somebody drive the length of the field and being opportunistic in terms of turnovers was what that team and that personnel had to do.

And that's an ego check for a coordinator.

I thought he actually was pretty good that year, and so, you know, you are limited by your personnel.

But so I think Rossie's a pretty good coordinator.

I think he's well respected by others in the business.

People I've talked to.

He's yeah, he's well thought of.

Kurt was Newski.

Hey, Brad Holmes, did you watch the Packers game Thursday night?

They have three capable, well paid defensive ends.

Parsons is greater than Hutch you know, being dead inside, it was great because if the Packers were good, it meant nothing to me.

And now watching the Packers after two weeks being crowned fucking Super Bowl champions, it's complete ass.

Now that I'm back, you know.

I know a lot of you make fun of me for old starters out to week eleven, but I'm standing by week four season any injury for Parsons like it's gonna I mean, you're just playing him too early in the year, so he'll be done by week four.

Kurt was Newski, I hope MSU's first team offensive defense play a half who should shine in the second half for MSU.

Well, I mentioned a Lessio.

I don't know if they'll you know, I'm curious.

I had this conversation on Spartan Speak with Solari yesterday, not not to plug another podcast.

I think people are aware we'll fix that post.

That's quite you want to listen to that, go ahead.

But one of the things, like a guy like jas Clarizio, the freshman running back out of his sign sing, I don't know if he's healthy enough to play yet.

It was as a calf thing been nagging him.

The question I think MSU staff would have with him and any freshman and young guys, you want to see me in the secondary or elsewhere.

Pass Rushes is like, are you going to planning the red shirt a guy?

Have you made that decision yet?

Because if you've made a decision you're not going to red shirt somebody, then this is a great game to play them.

If you are still considering red shirting them, and you get four games to play plus the Bowl game, then you probably want to hold off at this point.

Use them in if there's an injury, use them in a more consequential situation.

But this is a great game to get reps.

And so I think you know there's some other receivers too who they've been high on that you want to see outside of the top two.

And you started to see that with McCrae last week, and like more of him and more of what they have there, and so I'm curious to see a lot of that stuff.

I think the second half could be it could be just a dud of a second half where it's like, oh my god, it's sunny out.

The game is a blowout.

This game has no energy.

But it could also be one where you're seeing some young guys do some things, and those are always you know, I go back to you, I'm talking about my MSU fandom.

I go back to a game in ninety eight I went to with my dad, saw Michigan Sate beat up on Central Michigan where at some point I think in the second half both Sean Foster went to my old high school and little John Flowers kalam Zooloyne.

Rix I used to work.

It's all about you.

Yeah.

Yeah, they both had really long touchdown runs and that was when Cedar Kurvin was a junior and like that.

That just felt like a moment for those two guys, and and so I you you want to see those sort of things.

Happen from Michigan State.

What a memory this guy has?

I can't remember lasting you couldn't couldn't find my digital recorder all week that they found over them?

Is that why that?

There's that picture of you looking through Uh?

Who was that player?

It's actually a good photo of you, but you don't have anything in your hands and you just crossed your hands there.

Oh no, the.

Recorder I had then was or whatever I was using as a recorder of phone or secondary recorder was was on the table in front of him.

That Someone tweeted that at me.

It was great.

I was like, what is going on?

And couches mine Connor Moore I think, yeah, I was like, yeah, he's literally looking through him right now.

I was not looking through him.

I was like, you were like, oh, I wish this was Delaney.

Like you had a good look through you face.

It would have been perfect for Delaney because you had your arms crossed.

You were actually looking decent.

Man.

You're been working out.

I have not.

But if I hold my arms a certain way, I like I like pushed the bout to say, I pushed the skin of my biceps up so they look strong.

That you think I don't know the moves?

Yeah, yeah, come on, mister ben Jen greetings from Italy.

Jesus, this dude's on it true and is he on the run?

Why would MSU ever red shirt a kid in this portal era?

Any freshman is only staying an average of two and a half years anyway, and doesn't sitting in him all year make him feel less than as well?

Well, this is a balancing knack, and I think there is something to consider.

You certainly don't want a red shirt a kid because you're planning on a kid for their fifth year, for sure, But I do think fifth year senior matters.

Fifth year seniors matter, And if you don't think a kid can really help you this year, doing what's best for the kid, and what potentially could be best for your program is the way to go.

For example, in football, it's a different it's a different question in basketball a little bit.

But in football, like you got four games of them anyway, if they're only going to contribute a little bit, and you can convince the kid that this is what's better for them at that point too, because even if they leave at some point they get that extra year of eligibility, If they're not going to play and they're not really going to help you as much, then it just makes sense.

You're not getting a lot out of him anyway, why use them and why ruin their career.

Now, there are examples where this has been misdone Sam Lovett, and but there are other examples even in basketball, where you know, I think that's what Jesse mccull understood was was best for him.

I think it was best for him, and you know, he's a you know, maybe he doesn't play four more years for Michigan State, but there's a really good chance MSU has that guy who I think is going to be a pretty good big man for them for four more years now, and that's that's helpful.

And they didn't really really need him last year, although I think he was good enough to play at certain points.

The You're a portal Spartan eighteen seven seven zero.

If Aiden Childs finishes in the top five rankings of the conference, does he enter the NFL draft.

I think it all depends on what his draft projection was.

I don't think it matters about stats.

I think it's all about like, if Aiden Chiles is a first round pick, he's probably gone.

If he's a first two round pick, he's probably gone.

I think beyond that, the thing you have to understand if you're a quarterback, and most of these guys get pretty good advice on this.

These days, you don't see especially in the nilier where they can make good money sticking around.

NFL teams, if they draft you in the first two round rounds are drafting you thinking you're a starter for them, and the first round.

Pretty quick they say that third round too.

I mean eventually they want you a part of their I don't know, man, third round.

Third round is like beyondes.

You know, it's the Brian Greasy on down, you know, I don't know.

It's like, I don't.

I wouldn't if you're not a first two round pick, because then the other thing is if you're thought of as a third round pick and you slide a little, you're in the fourth round, and that that's really back up range for a lot of people.

And I think it's all about your projection, and then it's how ready are you?

Because the thing I hope players have learned is when you don't have enough experience in reps at the college level, it hurts you.

And it's for quarterbacks especially.

You only get one shot is sort of you know, the apple of somebody's eye in the NFL, and then you become a journeyman.

You bounce around like you know, justin fields.

You know, he he got one shot with the Bears to be that and now he's a journeyman, right, And so it's not that he won't to have an NFL career, But nobody else ever thinks you of you that way or pays you that way.

Very rarely is there a Sam Darnold situation it is, So it'll depend on the year he has and then how he's projected, and then should for himself too.

If he's not a first round pick, but he's not, you know, is he ready?

Is there more to get to be ready to be a better pro when he shows up, because you get again, you get one shot.

Spartan, what good and bad has surprised you the most with this MSU football team?

M good is?

I mean, I just haven't seen a team run the ball as well as they have in a little while at Michigan State.

So Makai Frasier, I figured he was probably a decent back and sort of through the tee leaves that he might be the.

Starter.

But he's looked like a legitimate big ten back.

So the offensive line, run blocking, and then obviously Chiles, I didn't know what he was going to do.

I think the first game did not prize me.

The second half, I thought he was really good.

Jordan Hall looks more of a difference maker than I thought he would be, which I think is good.

What hasn't surprised me is that you know the speed on the edge, getting the quarterback.

I thought the receivers would be good, and they have been good.

So those are all things.

Next one from Spartanship, MSU's football team leave for California immediately after the game to adjust to the time difference.

It's not like you're going to New Zealand.

I don't think you need that much time.

I think they'll probably leave Thursday, and I haven't asked about this yet because last year they couldn't leave a day early because the game was Friday.

So my guess is they will leave Thursday.

That's what you tend to do with teams these days.

Although it was a late game, I'm already preparing myself.

I stayed up last night for the whole game, even though it was a terrible game.

But yeah, I got to start doing it.

I got to get reps in myself.

It would be like if if you're an employer in the state of Michigan, to be fair to your employees, you really ought to shift the work day an hour or two next week just to help people prepare.

That would be the nice thing to do.

John Howard, starting nearly every podcast with I Think Today is going to be a good show, makes me wonder what Twitter questions or hot takes would you make you think?

Otherwise shows are always good in my mind.

Thanks for keeping up the good work.

Appreciate you, John, I yeah, no, I generally do think like you.

Guys are great on the Twitter questions, especially the hot takes.

Sometimes if Boston College would have won in overtime, we would have had some you know what I mean, it would have been one of those shows where it's just a repetitive everything's asked, everything's asked, so we know going as much as we appreciate the listeners doing that right, it's just going to be the repetitive the heart.

The hardest shows, the shows that occasionally I don't think are going to be great are hot take shows, are the to take shows on Monday.

The Twitter questions are usually casual enough of variety, it's late in the week.

I can combine things easier.

It's harder to combine the hot takes as well.

And so if we get if we get a show where you know, Michigan State is the story and it's like people are just pissed about the same thing and it's a lot of them, that's where it's like, how do you work around this?

That's why I don't often put it out like I'd never like right after the Michigan State game, put out a call for Twitter questions or or sorry for hot takes, because I want other things to happen.

I want people to watch a Tiger's game.

Maybe that becomes their take.

I want them to watch the Lions.

That becomes their take.

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Listen to this guy take us behind your process.

Well you guys, you know, Yesked, I know that's fair.

It's funny, a little too far.

Fix that post.

Sometimes I'll just wait till the Tigers game.

Money Bag Friday takes scheduling games like this is ass I could get excited for a game against the worst G five team in the country.

I'll still enjoy Saturday.

But I feel like I'm going to a Lions preseason game in the middle of the season.

Yeah, I don't think they should play these games anymore.

And there are you know, there is value in the It's a little less expensive than bringing in Central Michigan or whatnot.

But isn't it nice to have a relief though, well, you know, going to the game, like you're not gonna have to worry about I don't know, you can just go and have a good time and watch pressure.

It's better to have a mid major somebody a little more.

But you never know that mid major like you know, start three and oh you go home.

We all have a good time.

I think the schedule Sunday, the.

Schedule sets up really nicely for Michigan State for a couple of reasons.

You had these first two games that were sort of you're waiting to see it for Western Michigan.

It's Western Michigan.

They are what they are.

And then you you play this important game against Boston College which they were able to win, you know, emotional late game, late overtime win, and then you do get a little bit of an xhale going into a West coast trip against what I think is gonna be a difficult USC team, and then coming off the West Coast trip you get a buye before going to Nebraska.

I think the schedule set up about as well as it could for Michigan State.

This game is not exciting, it's not I don't believe they should play this game, But I do think because they won last week, people will be able to enjoy just being around Michigan State football.

But if they had lost this week, this game would have been the worst, the absolute worst, to have nothing to prove out of it.

You know, you celebrate a touchdown you scored, You just scored a touchdown against Youngstown State.

Why are you celebrating?

In fact, they shouldn't.

If you score this week, you can feel like you're celebrating.

What's a season that's on a good trajectory when you score a touchdown?

If they had lost last week, there should be zero celebrations of anything you do because you are playing a team with a fifteen million dollar less payroll, and you're playing a team with twenty three twenty two, twenty three twenty two fewer scholarships.

Yeah, fixcept posts, money bag.

What's the worst experience you've had with an opposing fan?

Couldn't be in person or online?

Hmmm.

I have not had many bad experiences with fans.

No one's heard up to you and said something early on, and it was a Michigan State fan.

I think I've told this story David Jackson, and it was not.

I love David.

No only a Michigan State fan two thousand beginning first game of twenty thirteen.

So keep in mind twenty twelve.

It's my first year covering Michigan State football.

It's a frustrating season for a lot of people.

I was the new columnist to the YELSJA.

I wrote some tough columns on what was on that season going into the opener.

Nobody knows it's gonna be a great year.

There's some concerns about a lot of things.

I park where I park, right outside Spartan Citium.

It's like a lot with a lot of tailgaters.

And I've got my wife with me because she's going to the game with her late father.

They're meeting there, and we're walking into the stadium and somebody yells, hey, couch, like flips me off or says fuck you or whatever it was.

They were not you know, I was not beloved by any means, not that I am now, I'm just saying it was not.

And I had to hold like I had to hold Elizabeth back, like you can't, this is gonna happen, Like you can't, like you can't go after people.

So that stands out like in person, I've had, you know, a lot, I'm not even creative though, it's like, you know, no, no, hey couch, fuck you.

I've had a lot of online with different fan bases, but some of it I poked into.

There have been a lot of Michigan fans that are now mute that have been just you.

Know, real, Yeah, but you bring a lot of that on yourself.

Some of it, you know what I mean, some of it do there, But yes, some people should be blocked and muted whatever, but you do bring it.

I do poke them once in a while, and and and and so yeah, and I and I forget about because I do mute them.

I don't see them again.

Like, I give you two chances before I mute you.

I don't like.

You can be really emotionally uncouth and awful once and I'll be like, all right, that's guys having.

A bad day.

Ay couch, fuck you if you if you send.

I don't mind that even it's it's the that's not even funnier or personally Yeah, it's like, but if you really come at me a second time, like I don't need this in my life, I'm gonna mute you.

And there are very few people I blocked.

I have a couple, but I can't even.

But again, muting is blocking because you just said you mute someone you never see them.

You know, you don't see it, just that they don't know.

Yeah you don't.

You don't kind of like the chicken ship way to do it.

But I understand it.

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I mean, what you'd watch that as a single dude?

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I did, We didn't, So I was that was mostly when was it not?

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Okay, So it was on basically while I was in college in early twenties.

I did not have HBO for a lot of those years, so I'm in college, so it must have been, you know, and in the early years of Freeport, that's when it would have been if I had Showtime, because I was big into the show Soul Food.

That wasn't the women on that I had a ringing crush on.

But I did not HBO, so I didn't watch.

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Soul Food right now?

Hold on?

So yeah, yeah, I see the stars going out of the sky.

Yeah, the bride.

Oh yeah, it was Nicole Ari Parker.

But no, that's Vanessa Williams.

Um I wasn't her.

Hold On, it was hold On skipped to the game.

Oh yeah, yeah, she played Vessel.

Uh who is Nicole Ari Parker?

Yeah yeah, yeah, it was definitely her.

Yeah, definitely her, Yeah, definitely.

Oh yeah, I get that.

Yeah she's hot.

Yeah yeah, good one.

I might have to watch the show.

Oh it's worth it, yeah, very good, very good.

It came with You Had Got One.

Showtime came with the NFL Sunday Ticket on Direct TV in two thousand and two, when I ordered it when I moved to Freeport.

And that was Yeah.

So then soul food became my life.

She's fifty four now, well yeah, at the time she was this is twenty five years but yeah, yeah, I mean she was ten years older than me, so I was like twenty two, she was like thirty two.

Yeah, she was down, dude, I'm not talking about your lady.

And yeah, okay, way watching she directed by uh no, yeah, directed by Paul Thomas Anderson.

Oh no, no, that's just something else she was in.

She was in.

I've lost it.

I'm like flush.

Actually, I'm so excited.

I can't even.

I can't even.

We'll move on.

We need to take a break.

No, we're good.

We're good, sparty Barb.

Graham appreciate your efforts to find and read my takes.

In his press conference, Jonathan Smith talked about continuing rotations and the offensive line.

How concerned should we be that there still seems to be lack of separation.

I don't think you should be concerned by that.

I think you're more concerned that they haven't picked a five.

And I think that because I think he had the right five out there at certain points, and you saw it.

I think rotating hurt them at times.

I don't think this is the week to stop it.

I think if you're still trying to figure it out and be sure, you can do it against Youngstown State, but when you go to USC, I just don't.

I don't know.

I thought the evidence was there that it doesn't help you.

They don't.

You know, they're saying the right things that doesn't hurt them.

But you want to compete with USC in Nebraska and the Big Ten, like you gotta have your best group out there, and I don't think you should be concerned.

There's not separation.

I think that's part of the issue.

There's not huge separation.

They're trying to figure it out, and I think it's been a pretty good line at times.

But I don't think it helps those guys, especially in past pro and communication when you're having the rotations.

Big John Hogg Next, as a fantasy football punishment, I have to record a weekly podcast.

I won't know what it's about until I'm just about to record.

I know nothing about podcasting.

What tips do you have?

This is a heck of a punishment, Like, so you lose your league and you have to weekly pop punishments are wead.

I just don't know why.

Like some guys that have to put on a thong and go stand on the side of the street with a sign, I'm like, I just be like, I'm not doing that.

I would say stick to what you know and remember that recordings last and infamy.

Like even if not a lot of people watch, you don't want to make some really really dumb comment.

I mean you can always, I guess.

Fix the posts.

There's two things, sixty MG's and two send us a link.

I want to listen to this, absolutely absolutely big John Hogg, What do we need to see from the YSU game to be encouraged going forward?

You just want, I think you want to see certain things continue.

You want to see Aidan Chiles and the offense look smooth and Chris.

You want to see the running game and control.

You want to see the defensive line look like they're the better unit than the offensive line in front of them, you know, and you want to get out of without any injuries and some backups playing.

It's it's all, it's all those things.

The thing that I would caution against is sometimes these games are lack of focus, lack of energy.

Games and you can say, well that a team should be more mature, but you can have games where people aren't as crisp, because I wouldn't Also, if Child's isn't like brilliant in terms of accuracy and other things, I wouldn't read the world into that.

It's not ideal.

But you know his season and what he becomes as a quarterback.

Will know when he goes to USC and he goes to Nebraska, and you know, as the Big Ten goes, we'll know that in this game, regardless of what happens, won't really be there.

But I do think if he can go a game without throwing an interception again and he gets to three weeks without an interception for a guy who had a real issue without a year ago, that would be a good thing.

Professor, Which offensive line is more likely to improve this season?

MSU?

Of the Lions and from Aiden's Child, which is more likely for MSU football five linemens separating themselves through superior performance or three linemen providing themselves unserviceable, proving I mesh, you were the Lions?

Who who more likely to improve?

I want to say the Lions because it needs to happen.

They were really bad.

It's really bad.

It has to happen.

I at least, you know, Michigan State's got guys that can shuttle around.

I didn't like the tone of Pina Seol earlier this week when he was interviewed.

It was sort of like and eventually he said, they asked him, do you think it can happen?

He's, oh, yeah, because that's what they're gonna say.

But when you the truth is in the tone before that, and he's like, oh, we got some new guys and we got to lift them up.

You know, they suck.

And he didn't say they suck, but you get what I saw that they suck.

It was not good.

It was rather him be honest than blow some sunshine up.

Yeah, to the second part of that question, I think I don't know how much separation there will be, but I do think they'll more or less stick with a five.

It's tough if you're right there and there's not a big difference between six and seven.

Maybe there's a small level of rotation still in there, but I and you want guys to say fresh and be ready, and there's gonna be injuries, so you want But I think I think they'll be okay on the offensive line.

The question I still have with Michigan State that they're have to prove going forward is a little bit in the past protection area.

Professor GC, what would it take to have you watch a game from the stands with the common folk and from bulky Bartacamas, Graham?

Would you be willing to come down from the press box to spend the second half in the stands, give a man on the street style review of the game, experience, concessions, volume, level of the music, trough experience, et cetera.

Yeah, it's not a bad idea that The challenge with this is you like that idea?

No, I don't.

I just thought you would hate that.

I know I've done it before.

In fact, there was one year I went and this is before the quick takes, which are the problem, where I went in the third quarter, like before I wrote a column talking about the students and the fan base and you know, not showing up for a game.

It was a freezing game against Rutgers, and I just went out there and like stood in the student section back kind of behind it and like just the wind whipping through my khakis, you know, like it was it was bad.

It was not fun because you I feel like, before you're going to criticize or comment on anybody's decision to stay or go or how big the stadium is, you should experience.

So I spent a quarter out there just suffering, and it impacted what I wrote because I was like, God, this really sucks.

And I've been out there, you know, lots, as a fan, as a kid, and other things I would like to, you know what, A long way to say no, Well, this week would be a good week to do it.

And so I gotta yeah, you could totally fuck off on this one.

Get totally your three too quick take at halftime, come hang out with the people.

He'd actually bring some beer.

He has a couple of beers that you gotta do.

The quick I would have to do the first half to do it, in other words, because by halftime I need to be up and getting ready going on the quick takes.

But the first half would be a possibility.

My guess is I won't do it no way.

But I do agree with you on the I mean, if if the concessions are still an issue, and I do agree the people have said it's a lot better and the level of the volume on the Pa and all that stuff, and I yeah, we'll see, because I do think it would be a good thing to do.

Pound the boyshes.

Suburban Spartan dad.

Who are the two or three guys on this current MSU football roster you enjoy interacting with and interviewing the most.

It's a good question, you know, because it's we haven't seen many people more than once at this point.

Other than like Chiles who have been available.

I've had a few good conversations, you know, one on one and something.

I really like a Marik Kelly.

I like his demeanor.

He's got this sort of mature, you know, uncle old man, and that I really enjoy listening to him and seeing interviews with him.

I think he's he's good in that sense.

I think Jordan Hall is Jordan Hall is really good too.

What about counter Moore, It looks like you were enthralled with what he was saying.

I apologize, uh, Ryan Eckley.

I enjoyed chatting with a little bit one on one.

Sam Edwards is good, there's been there's been a number of them, but actually has to be happy to talk to people.

Well, he's like a pimp now, he's amazing, amazing, Well, and the Actley conversation was was interesting because for a while the group and it was one way, and then I was chatting him about his best friend being killed six years ago.

His demeanor changes, but he was he was really good on it.

There are a lot of guys who are good.

I wish, you know, this is a better question in basketball because we get a lot of one on one interactions post practice in locker rooms or a lot more casual.

In football, it's more of a you know, stand around a guy at a small podium type thing.

And so you know, because I'll give you an example where I think that hurts is the you know, you look at the two young running backs and I think both of them were really good when they were around smaller groups, and uh, but you get them in front of a podium post game and their eyes are a little wide and it's they're just not as not as good.

So I don't know that I know the full answer to that.

It's something they ask a few weeks.

But there are some guys I really enjoy a Joyum, Mark, Kelly, Jordan Hall, h Bryan Eckley for sure.

Cooper Graham.

Have readership numbers gone up after the BC game.

The energy feels very different now, things are through the roof.

Oh god, really, yeah, everything you write right now is just yeah.

The numbers are tremendous now they are most Septembers.

Next month, it's gonna be great for you guys.

It's gonna be a windfall of cash, all those twenty dollars bills flying around and then unbelievable.

And then obviously, you know, November basketball starts as well, so you're good.

But this is a pretty good You can just see there's some energy and there's some hope and people are The thing that you get when the football, when people are excited about the team or hopeful about the team.

That is really a shame when you lose is the stories about people that aren't takes, so the anger takes when they're bad.

People always read on.

But you do a story, you know, about somebody like Alante Brown whose fiance was shot in the head in July and what he's going through and that sort of story.

Now that may get read anyway, that's a real but and it's early in the year.

But if they lose last week, that story does half the views even that story because people just aren't as engaged with MSU football.

They're not googling MSU football as much.

You know, they're not looking half how maybe in a half that one more still because that one's doing towards it, that one's done really well.

But uh, you know a lot of the stuff has done insanely well.

You know, people are fired up.

The most read story I've had written this this season so far as the column I wrote on the the eleven pm start at USC People are fired up about that.

And so that's the sort of thing that if people are about a game anyway, that doesn't that that that pisses people off because they're excited to watch the game and now it's at eleven pm.

Whereas if they weren't excited, they'd be like that sucks and it would do less than half of what it's done.

Cooper, next, Jason, how many mgs are needed to watch one soccer match with Graham over under twenty nine and a half?

Like at one time?

Like that's I like what I would take for the whole soccer match with Couch.

I mean I idle on thirty mgs pretty much.

I go to my in laws on thirty mg so I probably you know, it's way way over.

It probably takes sixty at some point.

Yeah, I mean like around where those.

Two hours two hours sixty and there's a lestraight act you get the right soccer game out.

I don't enjoy it.

I think Jason could enjoy the right soccer game.

I think you could would.

But why why are you trying to coni trying to stop converting men.

I'm saying you feel like a child actor in the eighties, and you guys are all trying to get me to do stuff.

It's like weird.

I don't want to watch soccer, not get it.

You guys can have it.

I watch golf.

It's boring to I get it.

I love golf.

You guys do the soccer.

You guys do it.

I'm not saying you have to love it.

I'm saying I think you would if you were in a situation where it was on and you were at a house, and the right situation.

It would have to be the World Cup, because I do like the World Cup action because it happens once every four years and like a final game, and if the US was involved or something like that, Right.

That's something would be fun to do next summer with our friends at fire Keepers and the fire Keepers I casino on sportsbook app to have World Cup bets with Jason's picks on the World Cup would be tremendous.

I would love that as like some sort of separate prop.

I've done one soccer parlay and I hit it year ago.

The will led to Zima led as led As of Southern Maine.

In the AP Poll's only purpose to serve as a content for podcasts and sports radio, every single college football pod I listened to this week did at least ten minutes and goe is and I fucked that up?

It was I didn't sake is the AP poles only purpose to service content for podcasts?

The no the original a people, I mean the AP used to crown national champions.

I mean half of Michigan State's got There are years where the the national champion that's recognized by the AP pole, and that's a better national championship than half the other national championships from that year.

It used to have much more meaning, now was it?

It should have it?

That's a great question.

Now people get fired up because they don't have the college football polls.

It's the only thing they have that ranks their teams right now, so people get fired up.

It's it's not its purpose, but it's become you know what you know, it's become what is.

But the flip side of that is, I do think it impacts how people think about teams, and I think that carries over a little bit in the polls that actually matter.

TC Brunsey.

Next, I'd appreciate Jason reading this question in his nineteen thirties New Zy James Cagney, Yes, say voice, I see Michigan is using more as risk slap suspension as fuel for the next game.

They are angry, I tell you, But in what world does Michigan live to feel like they were unfairly treated by the NCABLEA.

You see, it was the mother of all wrist slaps.

That was fantastic.

Really well, I mean, fucking everybody boaster baits the wrong one.

I'm not talking about Michigan.

Sorry, hit the wrong buttoner really unfortunate.

Those are next to each other.

So the question, yeah, yeah, oh, do I have to answer to what world does um field they were unfairly treated by the NCAA.

Yeah.

I think they think that.

The I don't give a fuck you say yeah.

They move on with our lives.

They just celebrity championships that they cheated with.

They think the one and a half of nineteen ninety eight nebrasca back in the day when things were great.

Sorry, they think the NCAA hated Harbaugh and therefore hates them and that was it.

Ah TC.

If the College Football Playoff Committee includes strength of schedule as a consideration, but the strength of that schedule is primarily AP rankings by clueless national press voters who are starry eyed for the big brands, then the whole thing seems like a sham.

Your thoughts, This is why the twelve team playoff matters because nobody's getting left out of it.

It's like the NCAA tournament.

Nobody's getting left out of the field that has a chance.

You get bubble teams that get screwed.

But in college football, the thirteenth and fourteenth team may have an argument, but rarely does that team really have a chance to be the national champion anymore.

And that's why I like it, because there is there is a bit of you know, the AP rankings I think do influence opinions, which do influence the College Football Committee to what extent I don't know, and that they don't always line up.

And I will say this once the College Football Committee rankings come out.

I don't even I mean, I can't imagine anybody's looking at any other poll because why would any care?

So yeah, I don't know that.

And from there, I think that the AP rankings are completely irrelevant.

So yeah, I don't.

You're right, though, I don't think all national press is clueless.

I think national press would actually be better at ranking than a lot of the beat writers because they're sort of sitting from afar and watching more games now.

Sometimes they're only watching the top games, and I get that complaint too.

It should be a committee of evelyings.

We've talked about this.

It should be Jack Ebling and Jack Goblining, Jack Ebling times ten, just sitting there watching football on Saturdays without a single game to watch.

They would love it.

I've had nightmares like that that blans everywhere.

TC bruns the USA.

Today, I ran a story suggesting Ohio State could leave the Big ten because they don't want or need revenue sharing.

This recalls the failed European Super League ESO of twenty twenty one.

Could the NCAA respond by banning Ohio State from bowls and college football playoffs need to be nipped in the bud.

I don't think they're gonna leave the Big ten.

Nobody's leaving the Big ten.

What could happen is and you're seeing stories on this the idea that the next media contracts, media rights contracts.

Not everybody in the Big ten is getting the same share.

And I think that's a problem too.

I think if you start giving teams different pieces of the pie because they have a bigger brand, it just feeds on itself and frankly, expectations be more.

I mean, I'm sorry if you're getting If your resources now your resources naturally are more, are that much more than somebody else in revenue sharing because of your brand, then when you go so eleven and one, that's somebody else going nine and two or nine and three.

Like the way I'm gonna judge you is different.

You got more resources, you don't go eleven to one every year you're fired.

You don't go eleven to one.

I don't want you in the playoff if you've got more resources.

I would look at it like that.

I would hate that.

I would hate that.

I hate it that it's happened, It's gonna happen in the ACC.

I hate that it's gonna happen elsewhere.

If you're a conference, everybody should be on an even playing field.

Scott, you, if Ryan Eckley wins the Ray Guy Award this season, could we see him being one of the rare punters who skip their senior year for the NFL Draft.

Only a couple who have done this and are all were pre nil.

It's a good question.

I MSHU will have to pay him to stay.

But you know, if you're that good, and punter is a competitive position too, so I he'd been so good the first two weeks, it's hard to believe he'll keep this up to this degree.

If he is this good all year, I don't see how you stay.

Like you're an NFL punter and you've just seen the last guy who is in Michigan Sate, Bryce Bearinger' is an NFL punter and he's stuck and been really good, so you can trust what you're seeing.

He has that leg, he has that touch to put the ball where he wants it to.

You got to have the booming leg in the NFL, and he has it.

That's what like Mike Sadler was an elite college punter.

He did not have quite the booming leg that that Ryan Eckley has, And so that that is a yeah that I would be very much money.

Is it gonna cost?

I don't know a punter.

Is that weird?

It seems crazy but it does.

But boy, he's good.

Yeah, David Jackson, should I buy the NHL package of this year so I can watch the Red Wings?

They'll make the playoffs?

Right?

It depends how you want to spend Quinton little Saturdays?

It is he detriied, the Red Wings, got wet?

Any man?

Just any reason to play that.

No, you're good.

If it depends how you want to spend your nights.

If you're gonna wish you were watching the Red Wings and you can't watch them because you're you're in Ohio, then I would yeah.

Absolutely to me, I know some of this stuff's kind of expensive, but it's all about your entertainment value.

If I remember trying to explain to Elizabeth why we had to get some sort of cable package when she was at her first apartment in Chicago, and it was like.

It's Playboy TV.

They have good they have there great articles on there.

She was working like five thirty to three thirty every day, five thirty am.

She was up early.

She was going to bed at six thirty seven pm.

So when I was visiting, it was like.

One of your favorite times in the relationships.

She was great.

Yeah, but there was a you know, there's a couple of bars nearby that I could go watch games.

The Holiday Club was was nearby there, and I thought, but I said, you know, I'm going to spend like seventy five bucks a night on beer and food watching games, or we can just have cable.

So if what you think you'd like to do to watch the you know, if you're gonna watch a lot of Red Wings games, I think it's always worth the package.

What a threat by you, though you really want me down there spending eighty dollars, you probably uped it to like one hundred, right because those games.

I mean, if you're gonna watch a three and a half hour game there, I remember those tabs well, even just to.

Go somewhere to like sit at a bar and work.

You know, it was yeah, because I used to when when she lived on Whacker had a great Whacker drive over overlooking the Chicago River.

Had a great studio.

The second stint she did down there, I would go to Elizabethneils, the Irish pub across the street, and like I would come back and it was great, But I had had you know, four or five Guinness hammered some wings.

Watch them playoff baseball.

You know she's already asleep, crawling in the bed, wakeoff.

I got some great fucking story to tell you.

Sorry, we're telling Tom Brewing Company.

Listen, listen here, oh man, David Jackson.

If schoobl starts game one of the playoffs and wins each game he starts, how good are the tigers chances to win the series, the World Series, the series or the World SERIORLD Capitol Series.

All right, so let's say he goes game one, they get a buye, so they game one, And I think part of the thing that would be interesting is if somehow they could win the first round the al Ds without him pitching a second game.

So he pitches game one then of the Championship series, that would be that would be the key.

It's still very unlikely, there's just too many other holes in that staff, but certainly, if he wins every game he pitches, the Tigers will be interesting in the postseason, especially if they're hitting the way they have been lately in a you know, the guy who's coming around that was a catalyst of last year.

That's kind of exciting.

That's made me think they have a chance.

Parker Metals, that's all of a sudden happened again.

You're like, h I know when he left the game last night, everybody was freaking out.

I have to sit there and refresh mccowsky's feed there and I was like, Hey, has he hurt?

What what happened?

But thankfully he was just taking out because the game was out of hand.

David Jackson as jack vellin been wally pipped by Massiness and Parcheck.

I don't know he's been wally pipped, but he was injured most of the preseason, so those guys got all the reps and I you know, it'll be interesting to see how he gets eased into things.

But in terms of a passing threat, he's never been at Michigan State like a dominant guy in the passing game.

I don't know if he's been wally pipped.

I just don't think.

I just think he's been.

How many people under the age of forty no, Wally Pip, you think, like, when is that going to just go out of stock?

Pretty amazing twenty years.

Because everybody knows what it means, but they don't do Yeah, they don't know he's a player, right, yeah, yeah.

Not Graham.

How concerned are you about the Tiger's pitching rotation as the playoffs approach?

Oh?

You know ten out of ten?

You know, right?

I mean, yeah, I always do.

The shoe's not going to drop, the other shoe's going to drop.

Mentality is all I have in my brain with my favorite teams, and I hate it.

So when I'm playing pickup basketball sometimes pregame, you're shooting around and I'll get hot and I'll stop shooting because I know I only have about fourteen makes a day and I'm not wasting him in warm ups.

Right.

So that's the way I felt about watching Jack.

What's his nuts belly?

No?

No, who's the guy?

Chock Clarity Nicholson, Thank you, Chick Clarity.

I'm watching Flerty put you a good game.

The other day.

I'm like, whoa, whoa save it for the postseason.

You got like two of these left to get show?

Yeah, No, no, we need a good flarity start.

I don't know because it means nothing for the next one, Ralph E.

Next.

The guy you had on the show Wednesday discussing Youngstown was very good.

Do either of you read any MSU message boards?

Sorry about Graham's sewer truck and street sweeper.

So during Spartan Speak yesterday, there was a sewer truck and street sweeper that were really loud outside.

Apparently you couldn't hear that, but there were other noises you could hear.

I will louder new Scelari.

I will.

So you mentioned it and then no one in the audience heard it, like you mentioned it twice.

I was complaining about it constantly.

I know you do that on this show and then no one hears it.

No, No, I do not read any MSU message boards.

I don't.

I don't don't do any message I mean, Reddit's technically a message ish kind of thing, but I don't really.

Yeah, once in a while i'll when there's a story and I want to see where something's coming from or what the But it used to be something that was a big part of what you had to do when, especially when I was like on the Beat to Western and early on here you want to when you're really unsourced, and because some people that are well sourced, there are people in the know on message boards.

You got to know who they are and decipher that.

And you know, I don't live in that world of how fun that must be.

It's not great.

It's not.

It's message boards you figure out.

You have to figure out quickly, like who's legitate, who's actually tied into the program?

Faucet liquor Really, this is real persona.

It's absolutely worse.

I mean, I did enjoy the Red Seedar message board in the like mid two thousand, like around that, you know what I mean.

There's a lot of funny people out there that would do funny stuff.

And I think that restage sports are cool communities for people.

I'm not like antis, I'm not.

I just don't have any interest in that shit.

Uh neurotic pants Graham, you don't see any value to playing Youngstown State.

It's good for Youngstown State, it's good for fans weren't rich or students who want to attend a game.

MSU Hockey versus us n DT tickets are selling for over one hundred dollars usn D.

States of North Dakota development team.

Yeah, no, it's well, people are into hockey.

I would hold off on hockey tickets will come down, I think, but and I don't think individual tickets because there will be some available on game days too.

I would hold off on paying for any hockey takes for individual game right now because it's a it's a season ticket holder offering you something.

There is value to the Young Sound State financially.

There is value arguably to Michigan State financially, because it costs a lot less to play Young Sound State than it does at the school in the MAC.

So it may cost you one point five million, may cost you I don't know, seven hundred dollars.

It may cost you half of what it would cost you.

So there is some savings there financially, but it's just not on the field value, fan experience.

Value, neurotic pants wire MSU.

Punters and kickers so damn good.

And they've it's been through three you know, three coaches here.

I mean you go back and before the John Langlow, you go back to the nineties.

They've always had good kickers.

It's good punters.

Uh, yeah, I don't it's a great question.

I have no idea neurotic pants, Graham, why do you steal from men?

I don't know what this means?

My favorite ones as well is when you leave them in when you you put them in there?

You when you put it in there, you knew you had no idea?

What he meant?

It's fair?

I don't know.

So we read it.

They're on the air, we have to go.

I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't know.

You could have just left it out.

I do not steal from it?

Does that mean I don't know?

What do I steal?

So intrigued?

Yeah, what's the bit?

Thomas?

Bye bye games or a staple of last roughly fifteen What is this?

Right?

Yeah?

By games like by games?

Yeh would be uh okay.

By games were a staple of the last roughly fifteen years or so, but replacing them in the modern era does seem like a good idea.

How would you go about doing this?

More?

Games against directional schools require a game against, not a state group of five program.

So by games are you know when you pay to have an opponent come one point five million?

You know?

See by games are still with the mac.

Those are by games too, So you're not you're not going to get rid of them entirely, and the ecosystem of college football I think needs them to some degree, and maybe the one double as need them to some degree.

Although they've they've taken advantage of the prices going up with the with the other schools.

I'm not saying you get rid of them.

I think you want to play ten Power four conference games a year at minimum, and you don't want to play twelve for sure.

You just get too beat up doing it.

So you need to play, you know, a couple of MAC schools or at least one well timed with a buy or something like that.

Yeah, I just think it's it's you should be playing teams that have the same number of scholarships with you.

You're not going to have it perfect with the finances, never has been.

But I think because of the transfer, not just transport, the ability to transfer and play right away that every school has now that FCS schools formerly one double A used to have over those schools, that the ability for them to have five or six players on that team that transferred down that wanted to play right away, that were really good is kind of gone.

They've got great.

Their best players have to be developed within and then they usually lose them.

I just think the gap is wide and and those games shouldn't be allowed anymore.

And you just you play, You play more Mac teams, you play more play a Western Kentucky.

Play play a little more of a challenge.

Thomas, Do allergies make you more ready for the cold weather?

No?

I don't really have allergies, but do you?

Oh?

Yeah, I've had allergies in my whole life.

Yeah, I love the cold weather.

No, January it's gonna suck.

Skyler Verden question, are we going to hear the same kind of outrage towards Jay Batt that Alan Haller would take for allowing an eleven pm kickoff?

Not in an anti Bat question, just trying to show how Haller got blamed for everything towards the end, It.

Is fair here, like Haller would Everything that went wrong was was was Haller's was Haller's fault.

And Bat's still in that honeymoon era, so that'll change, as you know, Look, he should have a honeymoon era, and Haller just became a punching back he did for some people, not for everybody, but for some people on things that were going wrong.

And you know that goes from and some things were legitimately not happening at the level they needed to happen.

I'm not saying that the move didn't need to be made or shouldn't have been made.

And what I'm saying is there were a lot of other things that any little thing that didn't happen, you know, recruits not signing the football program, whatever it was, it was, it was on, it was on Haller and and that that was bullshit.

Matt c Next, why didn't why didn't the Lions pay Parsons and just let Aiden walk in two years?

Aiden has way too many games with no stats.

Well, first, we would have had to trade for Parsons and trade two first rounders, right right, right, two first rounders they wanted to.

I just wonder if we put in like any offer whatsoever.

We're in the conversation.

Yeah, no, it's it's a fair question, and it's you know, it's been one week.

I think Monday's show after the Blions Bears game will be interesting because we'll have a better sense they may show up and look The beating the Bears at home won't be everything, but like, if they show up and look like themselves again, then you wait another week before you.

I mean, you know Hutch needs some help as well, right, I mean it's not just on him.

I will understand it.

He didn't look great.

And the team that beat the Lions in the playoffs last year just also got wallet by the Packer.

The Packers look really, really good.

And again Parsons is part home games.

Yep, two home games, yep, A one hundred.

Let's see what we'll played, yep, we'll see Mattsy do MSU fans need to raid the Lancing promise to get Joe Rossie some nil funds for his D line?

The fuck they do?

Should he even recruit there if we gave him ten mil.

It's been barely a decade since we've had a real defensive end.

Well when some of the guys haven't panned out like it was a by job.

It was like the top recruit, five star guy that some guys pan out and some guys don't.

They're hard to get and they're hard to keep, uh you know, and they're hard to get in the NFL.

We're just talking about Hey Nudgets, who's the number one overall pick and people aren't happy with his production like like it it is a hard position to find and it's hard to keep.

They don't grow on trees, as they say, captains spirdy n MSU staff spending one hundred percent on Youngstown State?

Or are they looking ahead?

Some assistants and the captains should definitely be looking ahead to the USC.

USC may not respect us enough to look ahead despite playing Purdue.

Yeah, I mean, I.

Would guess they're looking at tape at US.

They're not going to say they're looking I would guess there is some and there's always a little bit of prep that goes in because you think muh tape in private.

Yeah, I mean they go in.

There has to be a little bit of looking ahead throughout the season, and certainly breaking down film of a team doesn't just start that Sunday after that Saturday.

So but I would guess that there's probably a little more of it than than sometimes it is.

Munfield next, since this is basically a bye week for football.

Here here's a basketball question.

Why does it seem like Jackson Cohler is getting overlooked and a lot of MSU previews.

Guy has only gotten better every year and senior big guys who can do everything, they don't grow on trees.

Okay, I think he has a monster year.

What previews are you reading?

That would be my question.

Previous previews that are out for basketball already are a too early Street and Smith's And I don't want to just say read my preview because other people do.

But but you don't need to read these other previews comp I mean, he is a huge part of this season.

He shouldn't be overlooked.

He's part of I mean, Cohen car big part of the season, Jeremy Fear's big part of the season, Jackson Coleer a big part of the season.

There are a lot of big parts of the season, but he's.

Clearly a main character.

Jebedia next was a Yankees run line bet on nine to eleven with trumpet attendance after getting outscored by twenty runs combined in the last two games, a two thousand and nine gram nuclear play.

I did have a little money on the run line.

H Yankees minus one.

And a half.

Yes, yeah, this guy.

They got the FDNY hats on.

The Lions are starting holting pushing school ball back a day that the Yankees are just giving up.

I had two awful games.

I was like, yeah, nine to eleven.

We're doing nine to elevens at me.

I'm like, you know what, let's let's make some money on let's profit on this.

Let's uh, which is probably not good either.

But you profited off nine to eleven.

I see, That's what I knew.

That's not what I did.

But yeah, you did kind of in a way, you did, and I did not.

Well, technically you did.

It was nine to eleven yesterday, and you did profit on profit.

But yeah, but you profited on nine.

But anybody who went to work on nine to eleven profited on nine to eleven.

All Right, it's weird, Okay.

Sports Guy nineteen nineteen going to Vegas next weekend when MSU plays at four am.

Not a bad deal for me as it'll be eight pm local time.

Jason, what is the best sports book to watch a game besides Circa?

Oh, it depends on what they charged to watch there, Like the d in Loss of Vegas.

I like the Old like Fremont, like Vegas, The Golden Nugget if you want to get real grimy, it depends on what your vibe is, like, Yeah, the gold Nugget is really it's really dark and it's kind of but It depends on the vibe that you want.

The d is really really nice and circas nice as well.

I mean, like I said, I just don't want to pay for a booth.

Pay two hundred dollars for a booth or whatever they try to charge, or three hundred.

It's easier down three hundred already.

You know, you and your buddy just go.

It's one hundred and fifty a piece just to watch football.

Like fuck, at least give me a bet to you know, some of the bet Some of the best experiences can be the ones you don't expect.

And I don't remember the name of this place, but it was a little like dive place casino in Vegas.

In Vegas that that it was like a diner casino place that a group of US writers went in twenty eighteen on Michigan.

No, No, it was off.

It wasn't not in a downtown or it wasn't on this strip, and it was this place.

It wasn't far, but it was a place that you know, we would We were there to cover Michigan State basketball that was playing out in Vegas over Thanksgiving, and our friend Dan Kilbergs is out there because Tiger Woods was like playing Phil Mickelson in some showdowns.

So we were all out there together.

And on Thanksgiving morning, because it's you know, the time zone, we went to watch the Lions game and you know, we're in this little diner place having like steak and eggs watching the NFL game.

We got money on like the Canecious basketball game that's off on another TV over.

It was just phenomenal.

It's one of the best sports book experience I've ever had.

So you can find place, can't tell you the name of it.

You can't tell you the name.

It's been a while.

That's sorry, just usual.

What I would recommend is, if you're in Michigan, as you wind up at fire Keepers at Daisy's Tapperman sports book at fire Keepers Casino would be the place to go.

And if you are here, I would recommend making Groovy Donuts part of your home evening tailgate and especially think about Groovy Donuts is amazing.

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Get yourself a box of donuts, come back with a family over breakfast and donuts and watch USC Michigan and say, if you're going to do it that way, otherwise, just have the box with you late.

But Groovy Donuts a great way to have your home tailgate, whether you got friends over, whether it's just you, you and a box of donuts.

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Spartan Frank next, is there anything tangible we can take from USSE and Purdue on Saturday?

I don't know.

I mean, I'll pay attention to it.

I don't know exactly how bad Purdue is and us looks pretty good.

It's on the road.

So if USC comes east and just beats bludgeons Purdue, that's probably not a good sign for the rest of the Big Ten.

I'm very curious about how Yeah, but what if Purdue's ass I mean, right, that's the thing we don't know we probably won't know, Chris Eastlick.

I can't be the only one who wanted to be a fly on the wall and see the reaction is Josh Pate read Graham's tweet, giving him the rundown of I got twenty years in this business, man, You're the best couch.

It really is when you go there, there's really no way to end it to where you look cool when you have to tell somebody that you've been in the business for twenty years, Like, I know, the way you worded it, it made sense to him, Like you know, you know what I mean, because here's what I'm trying.

When you start doing that, it's like, because he's what I'm trying to tell Josh Payton.

Josh pat is a very talented guy who's more talented than me and has done great things.

And I respect his path because it came out of like nowhere, But he's not been in the business as long like he hasn't and and and the business has changed.

I'm just trying to let him know that he's got it wrong here and there.

It just because he sees certain things from his vantage point doesn't mean that's the way it is.

It's another way, and that's what he needed to hear.

Eastlick.

How was MSU USC not the seven pm CBS game?

What's the point of Big Ten on CBS if I'm stuck with the Washington in Washington State game and from DMB, why isn't Washington Washington State the eleven pm game week?

So this is my understanding of it.

And hold on, let me give me some offer one second.

Get okay, here, here's what it has to do with the game at Washington State.

Is in.

Is in pullman, I believe, and so that means it's not part of the Big ten's television package.

This is why last year with Michigan State played at Boston College and it was a game that was on the ACC network and it was a night game, it didn't count towards MSU's night games because those are tied to the Big ten deal in television.

So the point being, this is not one of the offerings that the Big ten contracted teams could could ask for, and so and none of the networks could ask for and so nobody in the Big ten, no Big ten game can go up against the CBS has a an exclusive window at seven thirty eight o'clock, so that's part of it too.

So I basically it was not available to go.

Nothing can go at eight o'clock other than the NBC game, And I think in the order in which things were chosen, CBS took Michigan State or sorry, CBS took Michigan Nebraska number one, and I think Fox probably number two, and they chose USC MSUs their next X game.

But their only window they could do that in was the ultimate late window because NBC had a different had the seven thirty game and eventually got Illinois and Indiana.

So that's sort of how that happened.

I think it sucks.

I don't think it'll happen regularly.

If it happens once every five years, it's something I think people will be able to deal with once every five Well, they only played going to happen next year, I don't think they only played three last year.

They did three games, only two in the Big ten that were eleven o'clock and what was on a Friday night after the World Series.

Fox does not do a lot of these windows, so I don't know that it becomes a problem.

DMB.

How does MSU win eight and eight or nine games?

This year with limited pass rush.

They don't, so I mean they have to get to the quarterback some degree.

They figure that out.

They're not gonna win nine games or probably eight.

I mean, they could be really great offensively and win a lot of close games.

I guess that's the path, but you really eventually you're gonna be in big trouble.

Clint Bainey, who leads Michigan State and tackles on Saturday, Well.

You got to go with the guy who had fifteen in the last game, who's playing middle linebacker, Jordan Hall.

I would say that's him, all right, next one from one ball.

Will Nick Marsh go to the NFL after the season.

He can't.

So the NFL has a rule you have to be three years out of high school.

And so this is only a second year of high school.

He's, you know, barely eighteen years old at this point.

Like he's got another year college football for sure.

It's the same with the kid at Ohio State who's phenomenal and is NFL ready.

And it's kind of a dumb rule.

I mean, it's a rule that protects people from making really dumb decisions in a grown man sport.

And I get all that, and it's an NFL rule.

But there are guys who are ready.

But once Maurice Colorett and I forget who it was that Mike Williams the other guy who challenged that.

Those two guys lost, which surprised me.

They lost that battle, Especially now in the nil ero when you can make money, I think everybody's hesitant to challenge that that ruling again.

Clint Baniye.

Will the Lions beat the Bears on Sunday?

Yeah?

So must win one ball?

They have to win, right, there's no Yeah, there's no come ah yeah, sack the quarterback.

Yeah, he's got it.

They don't.

If they don't, I don't even want to see Jason, I don't.

You don't.

It's gonna be a terrible thing.

Clint.

One ball bonus question.

Why did I think being in the front row with my wife at a Jim Florentine comedy show in Holland last night was a good idea Florentine was in Holland because he's one of my favorite comics.

He made runs at me from start to finish.

Brook held her own long, Live, Unfiltered comedy.

Have you ever been in the front row of a show and they've picked on you.

No, I've been close at some comedy clubs, but they weren't comics that would go into the crowd.

Like I was at a Standhope show and I was pretty close, but like, yeah, I try to make sure I don't want any part of that.

Yeah, there's a lot of MG's flowing.

The last thing I need is some fucking comedian staring at me with a light you know, like I don't know.

I've been close enough where I thought about it and said, why did we sit here?

Because you don't want you know, yeah, you don't want to be you don't want to be the subject of it.

Especially if unless you know the comedian, like one Ball knows Florentine.

You want to see your favorite comedian because like I just get it if someone bombs, I just can't handle it my stomach.

I love being a comedy show.

Yeah, but I'm saying if.

There's comedians you don't know, and there's like maybe an open mic night ish thing, I don't like those because like, oh god, I can't watch somebody bomb.

It's it's like if you ever go to you ever go to Crunchies in East Lansing on uh you know, and there what do they have opened mic comedy night?

It's it's is this a live read?

No?

Oh no, it's just rough.

I'm just saying like it's painful.

I love crunchies, but it is painful, like you can.

It's just like, oh man, it's and and look I love I give credit to people get up there and and sometimes something's funny, but I'd rather go see a more polished comment.

But even though there's even veteran comedians that bomb too, though, yeah, like it doesn't.

Yeah.

Uh Jebediah.

How is Jason's attention span during the Youngstown preview on Wednesday?

No, Ill will towards your guest Neil as he was great, but he was while he was talking about the mercy Hurst Youngstown game.

I felt like I was listening to Graham talk about a crystal Palace sheriff of Nottingham zero zero soccer match.

My attention SPAN's bad period, But I was actually listening to that one because I have to sometimes when the the guest has their earbuds in or something like that, have to ride the so you have to make sure you listen to the whole thing.

I mean, I try to listen anyway.

But yeah, he was talking about Youngstown Stay withholding plays possibly yeah against Michigan's Stay.

That made me piqued your interest, Yeah, it was, Yeah, I know, I was a lot of people asked about the one of one of my favorite thing about like I remember being when I was covering Western Michigan live in Kalamazoo.

But I remember being on a lot of shows heading into games when they would play bigger opponents, especially, and so you're running into bigger markets or places where they do a lot and and you know, one of the things that drove me nuts is sometimes you would go you would be interviewed by people who clearly didn't respect you were the team.

Like it was like a five minute interview where they kind of just kind of, I don't know, they just didn't respect you, and they didn't respect the team there.

Western Michigan was and you could feel it through the interview and the lack of details they cared about and the whole, the whole thing, And that drove me nuts.

And I've always promised myself when we're doing a show here and you're talking to somebody who's covering a team at a lower level, you're not going to disrespect them like that, like they're they're they're doing the work.

And like I remember early on, and this was a positive story in two thousand and eight, wasn't that early, but uh, Michigan State played at Nebraska to open the season, both Polini's first game, and I went down there and Nebraska, you know, they cover the hell.

They were excited about police.

You neither excited about things.

UH got him and mcconoman suit who's the fucking kid was on the team.

Anyway, it was a it was a big deal down there, and they had all the it was like a radio row and I did a couple of different shows, and they did all these podcasts and things like on game day in the day before, and they were really nice and they asked all these questions.

They cared and they thought, you know, well you're really well versed in this team, like a power five team.

And it felt good and and that was the exact opposite.

And I always remember, like people put in a lot of work to cover a team like this, and their fan bases do care, and the dismissive stuff drives me.

Jay Riemenschneider.

Maybe it wouldn't have worked, or maybe mel Tucker could have had a top ten roster at a top ten salary right now.

But everything that happened to his life since signing with MSU, do you think deep down Mel wishes he had stayed at Colorado, Well, rather than this, we don't have enough time for all of that for sure, Rather than this, I mean, I don't know that he was gonna win there.

You know the thing about if he got to keep all of his money, I think he wouldn't have cared.

Yeah, but he yeah, that's right.

If he had gotten yeah, a one hundred ninety five million or whatever.

The The thing about mel Tucker is he became a head coach at a interesting time to become a head coach.

Right, He's a head coach for the first year in twenty nineteen, and that's pre nil and so the game he was a coach as the game was transitioning, and that was a hard time to be a successful head coach.

It's easier to come in after it, or to come in well well before it and have something established.

It was a hard time to like convince your own boosters, hey, this is what we got to do now.

And this is I mean, so I don't know, I don't know what you know.

Colorado might have been a really hard place.

It was easier for Dion, but I don't know if it would have worked for mel.

Next one from Jay.

When a coach is suspended from coaching and team activities, can he still attend games in the stands as a fan, whether home or in the road.

Ah, that's a good question.

You bought a ticket.

Can you go to the stadium technically, as long as you can.

It's not a great look.

It's not a good look.

It'd be Weird're gonna be like Bobby Valentine back in the day and.

Just wear have a mustache and a hat, as long as you're not Like there was a soccer game recently where the coach of Inner Miami was like on the phone or the assistant and it was like, who's he talking to?

They show the assistant and he's yelling into the phone on the sideline.

It's like, Okay, that's not great.

You can't you can't do that.

Next one from Jay Graham.

You know what kind of stories you like to write and get fan engagement?

So for a ten year stint, would you rather write about a football team like MSU that's had ups and downs, a rise and fall, coach hirings and firings, or write for a team like Alabama that was.

Basically the best.

So there's a lot of different elements to this.

One is I would rather cover MSU, not the ups and downs, rise and fall is great.

It's not about just being the best.

It's it's about how many people cover the team and how just hard it is to get decent stories that are just your own and cover it day to day.

And then it's also about basketball and their situation is there and the access there and what that season is, because that's my favorite support to cover.

But like there's a guy that we've had on when when Michigan State plays Purdue who for a while cover Purdue for the paper in West Lafayette or in Lafayette and then went covered Ohio State and did that for a while and cover the biggest thing.

Now he's back covering Perdue for the Indie Star.

It's a better life, there's access, you're telling better stories.

Like it's just more now.

Produce sucks year over year over year can wear on you, but really it's about you know, if you're just around you know, I don't know, seven hundred schodes every day trying to get a quote Like I don't.

That doesn't seem like covering anything.

To me, that doesn't seem like much fun.

I just had what, have very little interest in that whatsoever?

Max next Six schools and thirteen athletes are tied up into the latest college betting scandal.

But can we assume it is much larger than that?

With the current nil system where some players make millions while others get peanuts, it will likely get worse.

It seems like the only real solution is to eliminate all prop bets.

I do think prop bets in college sports probably should go away.

But why.

I mean, I think college athletes, young people are still going to make stupid decisions.

And I think that the gambling community.

I mean, I feel like when something happens where a lot of money funnels into a prop, that the powers that be in the gambling industry kind of they have it where they can figure out who's because they put a caps a cap on a lot of these prop bets where you can't just bet five grand on a prop.

It's less about the players betting on themselves and that sort of scandal.

It's more about the fan reaction to losing bets when a guy doesn't get four and a half catches or and what they have to deal with on social media.

It's much better if if you're pissed at the whole team because they didn't win and they didn't cover.

That's one thing.

I think.

It's when you're talking about a nineteen year old kid who didn't even even if they're getting paid in an IL.

I think the prop bet stuff is rough and I don't mind.

Like there are states where you can't even bet on the teams in state.

I don't think that's great, but I do think maybe you just have it where if you're in Michigan you can't bet on prop bets on Michigan and Michigan State players or in state.

I wouldn't mind that at all.

Yeah, I don't know, Richard Kane.

If you don't have a field pass, what are you doing before kickoff?

Why not report on tailgating one game like Youngstown State?

Like what is what is reporting on?

Like how it's going, how happy people are with it?

Yeah?

Three quick takes, man, I do have some.

I mean, yeah, someone mentioned it up the other take up at the start of the show there they want you to do like a you know, it'd have to be a later down at halftime.

Premier League soccer goes well into the tailgating time, so that would happen to.

A later game.

Scotty Green's Alchemino who runs wildcat on fourth and short in the red zone.

I'll tell you who Brian Lindgren.

Has anyone asked him about that play call?

He needs to answer for his sins?

Well, he was not.

He has not been made available since then.

It's one of the things that D'Antonio used to do.

I enjoyed both coordinators were like available after the game and you got a real sense of things.

Dave Warner.

Things did not always go well for Dave, but you know what, he was still up there answering the questions after the game, which I respected.

By the way, to the tailgating, I'm not blowing off the If tailgating is a story that people are upset about, or if there's something there at some point that's a good story to do, it's just it's notice.

As long as there's not soccer on.

Well, I'm just kidding.

I would I mean I would, it would my job like for example, the week they play UCLA football at noon.

That's inconvenient for the soccer watching.

But I will be at the football game.

That's the job, and I'm happy to do it.

Thank you for sacrificing You're well.

We appreciate it, Chuck Fish.

Is that new show The Paper based on Graham's career.

It is not.

It has not gotten to that point.

I had a buddy who almost wrote was writing a sitcom.

He lived in LA for a while too and writing it.

Worked with me in Freeport, and he at one point worked on trying to write a sitcom based on his experience there, in which I was one of the main characters, the sports editor.

Another this woman was the night editor.

We were kind of the Sam and Diane characters.

It's kind of it.

Never it never came to be straight to the trash.

But but no, the paper is is sort of a caricature of the status of newspapers right now.

But it is.

There are some elements of it that are truth not not.

They are like a lowse character.

Well, there's too many people who like have no his whole staff has no journalism experience.

He's using like people are in you know, other areas that doesn't happen to that extent.

But there are places where no, well that's that's a different, different deal.

What I mean is they're like he's using people in the newsroom, like it might be the janitor or working at sales or whatever, or work for a different company within the building, and they're like volunteering their time as journalists.

There are newsrooms though, where you have zero people in them, not big places.

And the other thing that it's sort of a takeoff of they call it the Toledo Tower.

It's clearly a takeoff of Tribune Tower, where my wife worked for a while, which is a real cool experience for a while.

But what I mean is that's now an apartment building.

There's no newsroom in there, but it was it was like a real for her to get to work.

There was a real, you know, bucket list type gig.

And you can tell that from the beginning of the show.

They're trying to paint that too as well.

It's a good show.

It's it's not as good as The Office, but I would recommend it on Peacock.

Scotty Green's Alchemino.

So is it just a coincidence that Couch out of Dominic's employment and then he goes m I a where is he?

Maybe a reverse wellness check call at nine to one one.

Yeah, you got to apologize to Dominic, like I'm saying in person or something, because he's got to come back to the show.

Whatever you did, Dominic will be back.

Apologize on the show.

He does this sometimes, he takes breaks, he comes back.

He did it because of you, and it annoys me.

He'll be back.

If he's not back Monday, then I'm out.

I'm done with the show.

So even if you have to apologize, make this right and get him back on the show.

I didn't you did you?

Did you know?

You did?

I just apologize.

I love Dominant.

No, I love Dominant.

He's a friend, he's a play You don't do that, Yeah, peasy?

Is it bad that when I was reading the athletics report on misconduct misconduct among ill Its employees and the detail about the guy punished pushing a woman down the stairs came up, I thought of Grail.

Yeah, I was a little worried about that.

Was that?

Simo?

What why?

You know what I mean?

Like, why does everything have to be so fucking secretive?

You know what I mean?

Like?

Cimo just vanishes off the earth with some allegation and it's just like, uh, heaven forbid you bring it up, Jack Morris, do something too, that Jack Morris.

That was legendary.

That was That was shoe heo Tani.

It was one of the apologies of the century.

And I was glad I was watching it live.

That's right.

I reflect on it at least once a week I was watching that live.

Spartan Johnny, What grade are Marmaduke and Tyrone in now fourth and sixth the Freeport and Kalamazoo?

Yeah, Spartan Johnny.

Any word on if MSU will be having any new Hitler trivia this season or will they attempt to avoid further promotion or hate based rhetoric and figures as part of the in stadium experience?

Why or why not maybe just go with quarter one?

Yeah, I don't They're gonna try to avoid that.

I think.

I think that's one of the plans this year is really unfortunate trivia avoid I mean any Hitler trivia, just avoid it.

Like you hear any company who offers your trivia up to be now granted, the company, I believe, was like they just took this we didn't actually like sell this to them.

So in the company's defense, but uh, if you're a company that tries to do trivia, that is going to be borrowed, and you maybe I got a great Hitler I got a great Hitler trivia question.

Guys like, nah, if you want to have Hitler trivia, like have a question about who starred in Schindler's List, Like, that's a better way to go about it.

Stay away from that.

Okay, the whole thing, the whole topic.

There you go, Yeah, yeah, all right, Jim Slim, I hate you bitch.

Yeah, I think this is related to conversation I got and after I don't even get into it.

But after the assassination of Charlie Kirk and look a lot of miss and I'm not I just don't want to get into it because I think that's awful.

I mean, it's it's it's a man, a man died, a father of two young children, and somebody who was, regardless of how I felt about what he was talking about in the in the rhetoric and the impact of that, he was somebody who was trying to win with discourse, in conversation and argument and debate and that's uh, that should never be.

And I had no idea.

You know, I'm sitting there reading this.

I hate you, bitch.

I'm thinking it's coming from some funny place here.

All right, I don't.

I don't think it's that.

I think it's that, all right, couch on fire at Flaherty and my's pitch like that the next couple of weeks.

Do we feel better about our playoff chances?

Yes, one thousand percent.

I don't trust it, but it would still feel better.

You want them to be hot because last year they were hot and then they beat the Astros and you need to get a first round by.

Possibly there's like a really good percentage chance we're going to get a first round by and we still don't like this team.

I just it's the most bizarre situation I've been Is last year's team better?

Would you rather have last year's team than this year's team.

Yes, in the sense that they had a better bullpen and the ability to that pitching chaos.

You know, that's interest because the lineup this year is better in certain ways, especially Parker Medows gets going, like having guys like Labor Torres that I think a huge Yeah, lineup's better.

I know.

I'm just saying, just yeah, contrast that the two teams couch on fire.

Jason, do you know if you're doing the voice of the great Edward G.

Robinson when you do your gangster voice?

And on that note, more Jason voices.

I think more Jason voices the better team.

Jay Robinson, who's had with Jay Robinson?

He sounds familiar.

He's from the old timey, old timey times when times were great.

There you go, fart soup on Monday.

Big John Hogg was pissed about Concessions not having souvenir cups.

This begs the question, how old is Big John Hogg souvenir cups?

No, seriously, how old is bj Hog?

Five thousand years old?

Souvenir cups?

Ain't nobody got time for that.

I think they still do souvenir cups, right, They used to do them all the time at Inmatue games.

I don't know, but maybe that's twenty years ago.

I got a souvenir cup at the Lions game.

I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, it made sure we got those back home.

People like souvenir cups.

Yeah, yeah, it's so funny.

Fart soup.

Why is everyone bitching about the start time of the USC game.

It's a wonderful night game with a kickoff at eight pm.

Wait, damn it, I'm going to be backing Lancing on the twentieth eleven PM.

Total ass.

It's like, will you stay up to the end of that game?

Yes?

You will?

Okay, that's for the show like I do.

Yeah, it's the Lions, Michigan State certain games I will definitely stay up for.

You know, it's rough though, it'll affect your next day.

Oh you don't have to get some cocaine.

I'm going to have a problem or have to go to rehab for two days and then I'll be back there you go, fart soup.

If Groovy Donuts started a side company that takes X rated donut requests, you know, things like a custard filled long John in the shape of a mule, or maybe a chocolate cake donut with a nipple on it, what would you call it?

Horny donuts?

You know what, just do your ad read a little side gig from Groovy Donut.

It's a separate site you get to in the dark web.

You know where you you put in.

I've always wanted to get on the dark Web.

I don't even know where it is.

Have you no idea, I'm not cool enough to be on the dark Web.

Do you google dark web and does it take you somewhere?

I think if you google dark Web the cops to show up.

Don't say yeah, we'll not do that.

I would hope so at least.

Yeah, yeah, Now Groovy Donuts does it perfectly?

They will do I would.

I would say, don't obscene.

Requests are probably not great.

But you know that well if you say mule wellfart soup, did get the you know, really good penist on a donuts for us?

So they will make exceptions.

But that's that's kind of a fun bite.

That's just don't make it too obscene, is all I'm saying.

Help you.

This is how good Groovy Donuts is really good?

Penis they made that a donut?

Yes?

Amazing?

Ahhuhs Jery After Youngstown State?

Who else on our schedule?

UMSU be favored against I barely see six wins out there.

It's a good question terms who they'll be favored.

They won't be favored against USC.

I don't think they'll be favored against Nebraska unless they beat USC in Nebraska fault.

You know, you can see how things change the year goes on.

But based on who teams are right now, they probably won't be favored in Indiana.

Again you beat other teams, that changes, They'll be favored against UCLA, They'll be favored against Maryland.

So there's five games they're gonna be favored in, and then the question is do how many of the other games do they win?

And that's there can be a lot of toss ups or games there's slight underdogs in at home against Michigan.

You know who knows what Michigan is by then these will all be Michigan usually gets a little bump for being Michigan with the Vegas.

It's a good point though.

For sure.

Hans Jurgen, do you have a robin Hood or similar online investment account.

I've been putting gambling winnings in my robin hood.

It's like sports betting, but with lower risk.

I enjoy investing in companies that compete against people.

I told them.

I do have a robin Hood account.

I don't do a ton with it because it's unlike sports gambling.

It's not as much happens quickly, so it's a litt annoying.

Yeah, but it's like any investments season long bets.

Yeah, sort of like having a really low season long bet.

It really sucks.

You're like, God, I gotta wait till May to get a hundred bucks out of that.

The hell season long bet.

But first the season in twenty thirty.

Yeah, it's not great.

Hans Jergen.

I won eight eight hundred and four bonus bets in a first TD contest on the Brazil NFL game.

The bets expired in a week and made all kinds of crazy bets throughout the weekend.

I didn't hit any big parlays and in the end wound up with three hundred and fifty dollars in winnings.

How would do you have spent?

The bets put four hundred and two dollars on both sides of the game, so.

It expired, so you only you had to do them quickly.

How would they let you win that and then expire?

That's weird?

Why would it expire in a week?

Yeah, I guess you just fire them out.

Yeah, yeah, I would try to.

I would.

I would think they wouldn't let you.

I'll probably use some I would probably try and take some if you got to do it, I'd probably try to take some sure fire like moneyline parlays where you get two or three heavy favorites or something like that, to try to try to make that happen.

If you got to go quickly, that's that's interesting.

Jake Hawkins, what's it take to get tight end Jack Velling going well?

I mean, we haven't seen him going really since he's been at MSU, so I just don't know.

Now, he was injured all of camp, and I do believe he's a He's got more tube than he showed this year, and they've got other decent tight ends.

I just don't know what else we'll see from Jack Velling is a player.

I think you'll see a guy who is gonna get you know, two or three catches some games, and I think that's that's probably that's probably who he is.

Jake Hawkins.

I just recently saw where every year that MSU has played Youngstown State, they've gone on to win at least eleven games that year.

What chance would you give that that this team can accomplish that this year?

FYI?

I know it's a really long shot.

So eleven games and we're talking we're talking the well, let's say it's talking to the bowl games, so it's ten and two regular season, because that'd be beyond the ball game they won.

Eleven games are in the playoff, that's the other thing.

So it's it's INCREADI I mean, it would take Aiden Childs just getting on a huge run in that offense being incredible.

I mean, it would take something, because I think the defense is going to be solid certain areas but really lacking in others.

It would take that offense and that offensive line in Chiles just being at another level and starting to win every close game and having a really charm season.

You know they're gonna be in a lot of close games, so it's not like they can't win a number of games.

You're not expecting them to or win games that are toss ups.

But they get to eleven would just take that.

It would just take some incredible year that we don't really see coming right now from Chiles.

Jake Hawkins, I'm glad the Tigers were able to take two out of three against the Yankees, But as from an overall baseball fan perspective, how bizarre was Tuesday's seventh inning New York Yankee pitchers playing like little leaguers.

What the fuck?

I thought it was great.

It was fun to watch, fun to watch another team fall apart.

I enjoyed it with a bit yeah, yeah, yeah, Jake Hawkins, let's play sports hypothetical.

You're Jeff Fisher coaching the Tennessee Titans against the Saint Louis Rams at Super Bowl thirty four.

Always the details, Kevin Dyson.

Wuch is that extra inch to get a touchdown in the last few seconds to make it twenty three to twenty two?

Do you kick the extra point to force ot or go for two to win?

What are you doing kicking the extra point back then?

Especially?

I mean, first of all, the lie that comes down to a Lion scenario.

If that's what you're going for, Jake, I would have my heart would explode.

I would just conbust and I would never see that.

And you know, Dan Campbell's going for two, That's what I say.

I think that's when my life would end everything.

You know what I don't like about the Lions going for two is that Jared Goff can't move like anytime you choose too there That's where I think having like a mobile quarterback makes the difference because it's one more element.

Something breaks down, that guy gets across the goal line, Like I do not like teams with not without mobile quarterbacks, one less option coming on that center.

No, no, all right, I just know you're right upper deck, jerk guy, Kirk or Picard?

Are you talking star Trek?

I guess so what he's doing?

Yeah, I gotta go, Kirk watch starts Aubert at jerk id better chance at a championship.

The Lions are the Tigers.

This is the July topic.

What are you saying, Lion?

I think it's still the Lions?

Oh easy, yeah, yeah, jerk guy.

What's the most you've ever won on a single bet?

Single bet?

Biggest single bet you've ever won?

Tiger Woods twenty nineteen off short book.

Baby, what do you win with the Masters?

It was five hundred?

Nice?

Yeah.

I won two grand off a futures bet on pit football to win the ACC a few years ago.

And it was one of those things where for a while.

There was did you give that out on the show?

No, because it was like I used to do these long shows.

Well I might.

We talked about it on the show.

We did talk about it because could you just say yeah, no, we say you did give it out of the show.

I mean, that's kind of crazy if you didn't.

It's one of the things that was lost with the divisions for a while.

For a while you had a couple of divisions and the Big Ten and the and the ACC where Ohio State was on the other side and Clemson was on the other side, and two divisions and so the other division.

In those two leagues, it was pretty much a toss up for a lot of teams, but they were a hugely long odd so somebody was going to get to the championship game.

And that was the year that the pitt wound up winning it, and they were one of the teams I had.

And it was like two grand.

Yeah, it was like a twenty dollars bet pay two grand or something like that.

Yeah, it was right, jerk guy, how many pre conference wins will the Spartan basketball team have.

Let's say pre conference was you're not talking about the the two conference games they play in December, so they're playing eleven give me give me nine nine ones.

And lastly from the jerk guy, does borboor geeme bother you borbot borbo yamighee borbo b o r b o r y g m I bor gid.

You mean so the dictionary says that is a rumbling or gurgling noise made by the movement of fluid and gas in the intestines.

Oh, my wife, My wife knows about this.

She hears us all the time.

For me, yes, it bugs her.

So there's that.

There's that.

It would probably bug me if I if I wasn't trying to hide it in my own stomach quite often.

Let's let's take a really quick break.

We're gonna come back and do some picks before before we get out of here.

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Time now to get into what we are betting this weekend, and we do not have Harry with us this week, so we're just gonna get into what we're betting and run through some games real quick and and sort of what we like.

Jason, what are you betting this weekend?

It's a two leg parlay.

I'm starting to get smarter.

I'm not just flying bets out there.

That's for Sundays.

That's when you do the touchdown bets.

Wyoming at home versus Utah getting twenty three and a half.

Wyoming's two and zero against the spread and hasn't allowed a pass touchdown, although it was against Akron in Northern Iowa.

Could rain on Saturday and War Memorial.

It's a tough place to play.

I think Utah is a really good team, don't get me wrong.

I just think it's way too many points.

I think Utah wins the game, but I like Wyoming getting twenty three and a half.

And the other game we're gonna go to the NFL.

It's the Falcons plus four and a half at the Minnesota Vikings.

I just think it's a short week, pretty simple, short week for the Vikings.

I just think it's too many points.

I think the Vikings still win that game, but again that four and a half is reeling me in.

When you see that four and a half Graham, you kind of think sucker bet sometimes.

But I like the Falcons on the road getting the four and a half, so that too.

Lake parlay play it pays plus.

Two sixty four.

Okay, I've got a Premier League parlay that I like, and there are a bunch of things in the Premier League.

I kind of like you could throw Newcastle in this so against the Wolves, I like that a little bit.

I like Crystal Palace minus one fifty five at home agains Sunderland.

The parlay I'm giving out this week Arsenal at home minus two sixty five against Nottingham Forest and Liverpool on the road minus three p fifteen at Burnley.

Just those two teams to win.

I think they're better than the teams they're playing.

And if you put one hundred bucks on that, it pays eighty one bucks.

So it's pretty good, pretty good odds.

And Arsenal at home Liverpool at home.

I think it's a really good, really good play.

That is what we are betting this weekend, presented by fire Keepers and the FireKeepers I Casino and sportsbook app No Harry so these are the games we are gonna pick this week.

We're just gonna run through them.

Not too much analysis here what we like, because there are a couple I really do like there.

Michigan State game, I have not seen a line for yet.

It eventually will drop.

There are a few one double as out there, but I've not seen a line for yet.

So, well, what do you think Michigan State could cover?

Let me say it's like thirty four and a half, I would I would say I think Michigan State take it, We'll cover set.

I think I picked like forty something to six, so that's about where I you know, and I think it was like forty eight to six or forty seven to six or something like that.

So I think anything that's under thirty five I think is probably not a horrible play.

The problem is it just takes how soon do they put their backups in?

What does that look like?

You get a couple of late touchdowns?

Is not great?

All right?

First game CMU plus twenty seven at Michigan.

Hard game to know, like CMU has been okay, it's just hard to know what Michigan is, how crisp they're going to be offensively?

What kind of point they're going to be able to try to make.

I would probably lean CMU here just because that's a big number, but I wouldn't feel good about it.

You the same way.

Yeah, see, you have it here is twenty seven and a half, right, Yeah, I think that's a lot of points.

But I think Michigan is going to hammer.

They're at home, right.

Yeah.

When Pittsburgh beat CMU last week and they didn't cover that spread, it was like twenty eight.

Give me Michigan given those points.

All right, Wisconsin plus twenty one at Bama.

Wisconsin's not very good.

Bama's just bludgeoned a bad opponent after a horrible first game.

I think this is a game Alabama wants to make a statement, and if at three touchdowns, I think Bama gets it done.

I think they cover this thing big.

I think Wisconsin's little bit of trouble as a team as a program.

Give me Bama, but.

I think Wisconsin can run the ball and drain some clock.

I think three tds is too much.

I just don't know if this Alabama team's any good.

So for the sake of this, it's a fade for me.

But I think for the sake of this little contest.

Give me Wisconsin and the three tds.

All right, Georgia minus four at Tennessee.

I know it's on the road.

I like Georgia fair bit here getting the minus four.

I think this is one of those where, you know, tough place to play, but I like Georgia.

Where are you?

Yeah?

The four scares me, but I think that's just as they're trying to sucker you into Tennessee.

Give me Georgia for one of my favorite bets of the week.

South Florida plus seventeen and a half at Miami.

I think South Florida is for real.

Obviously, upset Florida last week, beat Boise badly.

I think Miami's good.

But seventeen and a half it's a lot of points for a team that's been upsetting the favorites or at least or pounding Boise.

I think seventy.

I'm gonna sprinkle on the money line here too, But I like South Florida plus seventeen and a half against Miami, how about you.

I mean, if Miami covers this spread, I will think about them a lot differently if they cover this seventeen and a hook.

So give me USF with those points, all right.

NFL Bears plus six at the Lions.

I think the Lions make a statement this week.

I think they win by ten twelve points, something.

Like Kuna Yaba Gita Jared Goff must win.

Yeah, it's our core foundation.

Man, grip you know my pick.

I'm irrational.

The Lions don't listen to me.

Broncos minus one at the Colts.

I think this is interesting.

This is when everybody thinks all the Broncos are better.

Colts looked okay last week.

Broncos did not get great quarterback play.

The defense is incredible, though, and I think the defense against a shitty Colts quarterback situation.

Give me the Give me the Broncos here.

I don't love it, but I'll take it here.

I just don't trust Daniel Jones back to back weeks.

Give me the Broncos.

Eagles minus one at Chiefs.

Really good game.

Where you at?

God coin flip.

I hate these games.

It would be a fade.

Give me the Chiefs home.

I'm with you.

Everybody loves the Eagles.

I'm on the Chiefs here.

Chiefs underdogs home, even if it's light.

I'll take it.

Lastly, Falcons plus three at Vikings.

You like the falcons here, but I got it at four and a hook.

If you get falcons plus three, I'm not really a fan of that number, but yeah, I did get it early at four and a half.

But yeah, give me the Falcons with the three.

I think the Falcons in the three is the play.

If the Vikings come out and JJ is McCarthy's great from the beginning, and they can run the football and they're great, then we'll look at them a whole lot differently.

I think we'll figure that out.

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