Today, we've got Drew or Andy as he's sometimes known, and Jason with us from Hope DeFord.

Super excited to chat with you guys.

Uh, I will say, this is the first time we're meeting YouTube.

However, one of your band members is a has been on the podcast a couple of times, and that's David Button.

Uh.

David is a good friend of Colin and I.

And uh, you know Jason, I think you said you play bass?

Uh, Andy, you play guitar and uh I supposedly David he just does insurance for the band, right, he doesn't do anything else, right?

Oh yeah, all the adjusting, he handles all that for us.

Yeah, you know, y'all you need a good insurance guy with the band like Hope DeFord.

Right, that's right.

So I would like to jump right into this thing.

How in the world does buddies from Embodiment and uh some people from the Famine get together with the lead dude from the showdown?

Am I missing a band in there too?

Is there one more than I'm missing?

No?

No, I think you think that covers it.

Okay, all right, well, so.

This is a supergroup which is which is badass by.

The way, So well, it started, you know, from Eric Shiri.

He's the guy with the car and collective that's actually helping come alongside us and release this music.

But he was at furdust Fast one year and David came up to him and was like, Hey, I want to I want to do some music with Andy.

So put a good word in for me and Eric kind of connected the dots.

And I honestly had never heard The Showdown much.

I mean I heard the name, and I remember seeing them around while we were touring with the Famine and stuff, but I never really gave him much of a listen.

Dude, his band is huge, The Showdown is a really big band, and I didn't quite know the gravity of what he was going to bring to the table, right.

So, when I mean all said and done, he's really he really shines bright on this new Hope Deferd record.

He does such a fantastic job.

But yeah, it came through Eric.

Eric was the guy that kind of connected the dots between David and us.

Okay, sweet, Well, if we know anything about David, he casts a pretty wide net.

So my guess, and I'm not trying to, you know, make you guys feel bad, but he's probably asked, you know, twenty or thirty different embodiment like bands if he can be in their band with them.

So just let me know.

That's just the way he is.

We're stoked on a great opportunity.

Yeah, they missed out on something.

Yeah, it's fantastic.

We really like that guy.

Maybe you guys are just the first suitors that that answered his call.

Well maybe, but there's a there's a special chemistry that that that that is there even in just in the few short years we've been together.

So it's it's pretty cool having him.

What is it like to have Gary Busey as your front man?

Yeah?

Well, I don't know if you guys have seen David in a live setting yet.

I don't.

It sounds like you guys haven't done a whole lot like in the room together.

Is that we h?

I saw some footage, right, some of his furnished best footage, and you know, I would kind of a deep die whenever we knew that he was interested in singing for us, and uh, whatever I can scrounge job, you know.

I think it was the more recent Burness Fast stuff, But man, I love I love it stage presents.

I think it's fantastic front man.

Oh yeah, absolutely really.

Excited, you know, for him to front this style of music, and just really because it's pretty, it's pretty fast, it's aggressive, and I don't know, I think he's going to fit the bill just perfect for what we're.

Trying to do.

So yeah, I think I would agree everything I've heard thus far it's like a marriage made in heaven.

It's it's a wonderful, wonderful sound.

Definitely aggressive.

I mean, you guys are pulling no punches here at all.

That is that kind of the tone for the rest of the record, because we've only heard a few songs so far.

The rest is coming out on Halloween.

Very good choice of day there by the way.

Sure, I think I think what you've heard kind of it.

It's you know, it's a variety of what you've heard so far.

I mean, yeah, again to kind of echo what you know Andrews said about about David.

I mean there's a certain tone.

You know, Andy and I go way back in the death metal listening era of the early nineties, so some of our influences go back quite a ways, and you know, David just fit this spot that like hit.

Right where we wanted it, and yeah, I mean, we're we're excited for for everyone to hear and what is it the remaining eight songs that are that hadn't been released yet, so it's gonna be good.

Love it.

And Jason for you knowing that you used to be an Embodiment, Like I would imagine for those old school Embodiment fans.

They're like, oh, this tickles my ear again.

As much as I really loved like the direction you all went with Embodiment, kind of this more alternative rock style, I bet some of those old school fans are like this, this tickles my embodiment to ears a little bit more.

Yeah, I'm sure there's some of that.

I mean, I mean, yeah, definitely some of that.

I mean, we we go back to the early days of Embodiment.

We're we haven't really looked back quite like that.

We're just kind of looking at, you know, ahead, and you know, some of the old school fans from Embodiment come along with.

You know, we're excited for them to be a part of it.

But you know, I think it's in And Andy could probably speak more to this because a lot of this music is kind of his brain child, But just we wanted to do something we loved that we were passionate about that felt right, and we kind of had that kind of tunnel vision and didn't worry about twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, Like what do we like right now and what kind of gives you the goosebumps?

And that's the litmus test for us.

So that's just kind of the direction we've held it.

You guys, I love it.

I'm thirty three and.

I'm thirty one, so we were a little kind of a little young for embodiment in particular.

But I will say Colin and I definitely listened to the family.

Oh so got to say that there was and the.

Show is a really magical time around embracing ejournal like Zeo's Blood and Fire, let Me Sacrifice, Reborn, all that stuff was just kind of mixing.

So man, I like to say, if you were there and you got to witness it, then man, just hold on to those memories.

I mean, we can't go back in time and try to recreate it.

We're just we're.

All evolving to as musicians and stuff like that.

And tones wise, I would say that it's not too far from the famine stuff, Like if you if you.

If you guys picked up on that, then it's a similar tone and vibe to the Famine.

So as as opposed to the turtle and early embodiment.

But there is elements of of of early embodiment, I would say, I mean, especially to me, it feels like rhythmically, it feels very the famine to me, especially architects architects of guilt.

But a lot of the nuance I feel has a lot of that early in body vibe to me.

I think it lends itself to a very like I said, nuance sound that it feels full, and it feels like it's been well thought out and it feels very organic.

Has that kind of been the feeling as well when you guys went to go record.

Jay, you won't mean to take it?

Yeah, I mean, I'll chime in a little bit.

I mean this this this music is a culmination of what three and a half years.

So it wasn't like, hey, we sat down for four months and said okay, let's put an album together like this is a you know, it's been quite a journey and we haven't wanted to rush any of it, you know, and so there's certainly it's been well thought out in my mind.

And Andy, obviously, I mean it's coming from you know, his hands, if you will, where it all starts with the riff, so he can probably speak more to that than me.

For me, I guess it was more trying to create rather than having a song have like twelve different rifts or parts to it, you actually have a verse of chorus.

You know, a bridge and then a verse and a chorus.

It's kind of a traditional song structure to where if you did like the rift, it's coming back and you're gonna hear it again and again.

So I think it simplifies it a bit as opposed to the earlier embodiment, but more like the famine stuff, which is, you know more I guess song structure heavy.

So sure, sure I could see that.

Andy.

What I'm kind of getting a sense of is that like you might be maybe the main writer.

Like am I wrong in saying that?

Like but but like, yeah, do you have like a sense of like feeling like you maybe are kind of taking charge of writing or maybe you reject that.

I'm are not rejected, No, it's you said it.

I mean it's kind of a What I have is a is I just have I have a tone and a sound in my head, right, and then I just it's God given, is how I say it is because it's very inspired by my relationship with God, and it's it's just something that comes out and it's just how I express this art form in this extreme style of music.

And what I've been blessed with is people who come alongside me and.

Totally love that vision.

Right, Jason, I got John Tooley, Derek Wadsworth and now David Button and they all come alongside and I'm like, dude, we love the music, we love the sounds, and we're just coming in there to elevate it.

And that's exactly what they do.

They with their skill set, they elevate what the project is.

Is that a gift that you were expressing both an embodiment and the famine or is this something that maybe.

Has developed sense sense of famine ended?

No, I was I was always kind of the main songwriter, you know, back back in Embodiment and the Famine, it was I was still the main songwriter.

I think it was even more of a group effort back then.

Now we have this ability to kind of it's it's unfortunate, but yet it is efficient.

You can isolate and create your music in your little jam room, studio or whatever, and then you bring everybody over to to enjoy it and get together and perform on the record.

So that's efficient.

What you do miss, though, is this this kind of we call it mojo or vibe that you get in a in a jam room where everybody can get together and all have their say or feel that spark all at the same time.

Which is you don't really get that same experience.

So now it's it's efficient, but it's not as magical, I will say, if that makes sense.

Sure.

So David sent over the lyrics to us, and it's pretty clear each song what what what?

What you guys are trying to get a ross?

Is that is that outlet for you something that is kind of like an expression of your of yourselves?

Are you all in agreement with the lyrical expression?

I should say that's what.

That's a better way to.

Say it, I would say, so, yeah.

I mean we're all again to kind of echo what Andy said.

I mean, a lot of this is inspired, you know, and we're here to support honestly kind of the vision that he's got.

And and you know, I don't think there's been any conflict with any of the lyrics the music.

I mean, it's just the chemistry that we all have, man is it's incredible.

So yeah, I think I think that the lyrics in all aspects of what we've been doing is very cohesive for all five of us.

Awesome.

Awesome.

You know.

I feel like when you when you kind of get a supergroup kind of thing together, although it might be more of a niche supergroup, I feel like that can sometimes, you know, create a little bit of maybe not controversy, but maybe like some tension in terms of, like, you know, what someone feels versus what another one believes or or whatever.

But that doesn't seem to be the case with you guys.

Do you feel do you feel like you are kind of all in lockstep in terms of where you would like to take this thing beyond maybe this record even or is there a next record and stuff like that?

Is that something you would want to do?

Yeah, So you touched on a couple of things there.

I've known Jason for thirty years, so I don't he played bassin Embodiment.

I played Embodiment.

We were in a band before that, and so I've been bros with Jason for thirty years and John Tooley's a lead guitar player Bros.

For like fifteen years.

So we go back and have this history.

But it's all kind of like mindedness.

And that's important for me because I can't have it.

I can't, I don't know.

So this is a very precious This art form to me, right in music in general, is a very very precious and so I want to share it obviously with everybody who's into the style of music and into the heavy stuff.

But performing it, man, I mean you said yourself, you read the lyrics.

How much of a poser would you feel like you are if you sang those and didn't believe it?

Right?

So it's very important to me that everybody.

Believes because there's a there's a there's a connection there, there's a conviction that comes across in the performance in this form of art, in the music that you can literally feel it like in my opinion, and.

That's why this also, you know.

So basically to answer your question, yeah, I think having this that that conversation of everybody being unified as far as our beliefs, that's paramount because man, if we come across a decision that needs to be made, and it's a difficult one.

You're not going to understand where everybody's coming from unless you have some sort of foundational understanding, you know, and you can go back to baseline, which is biblical baseline.

You know.

We we base our lives on our Christian faith and our belief in Jesus, and so everybody can come back to that baseline.

It's so much easier to.

Forgive and have grace and have mercy and all that thing, you know, all the things that come along with that.

So but yeah, you said, are there hopes and plans for record in the future.

Absolutely absolutely.

I mean we're.

Getting older, but we we got to take one step at a time.

So the record hasn't even come out yet as of today, you know.

Yeah, So yeah.

The only reason I ask that question in particular is because there's there's been a lot of great bands that I've listened to.

I think of a band like the Acendicate, for example, who come out with one absolute banger of an album and then they don't do anything with it ever again, and it's just very disappointing because you get super invested.

Now I'm invested in hope deferred as well, and I don't as a as a listener.

I want to be selfish and I want I want more and more.

Well, I appreciate that, honestly, the natural thing.

No.

I appreciate that honesty, and I think to in this day and age, we can consume so much music right at any time we wanted, it's there, and it's it's we're hoping that the record because we we spent a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of focus on it.

It actually took about four years to write and release, but it's because we're all, you know, family men, and we all have jobs and careers, and so it's just tough to get together to to get you know, all merge.

Together to record this and even get the songs written.

But the you know, I I appreciate the honesty that you're selfish because I I am a bit too.

Like I.

I look at it internally and go, how are we going to do better than that record?

How can we give anything better than what this is?

So you're getting the absolute best of what we can do right now, which is really cool.

And I think we'll get some more and I think we'll get inspired again and conversations with you inspire us too, because if there's a hunger for it, like you've expressed, that makes that that excites me and motivates me.

Yeah, yeah, definitely a motivator.

Awesome.

You guys were talking about how like for the most part, like most.

Of the guys in the band have known each other for quite some time.

Even you know, said like, you know, you've known Jason for almost thirty years, but David somebody's who's who is new?

So, like, what was that process of like kind of bringing David in this fold knowing like he doesn't have this thirty year history like the rest of the guys do.

So I'm sure like it's something where it's like you already know that there's like like mindedness between three other guys at least.

What what is it like trying to bring somebody else maybe to up to speed or or what is it one of those things where it's just like immediately it's like, yeah, we're like we're on the same wavelength.

Buth.

I'm just curious, like what was that process like of bringing somebody brand new to you both of you guys like David into this fold of like guys that have known each other for a long time and have this great, great report with.

Wha I mean for me, Well, go go ahead, Drew, No, I'll take it.

So, I mean, gosh, so soon as soon as I met him, it wasn't a.

Matter of maybe a day.

And you know, I'm generally the sarcastic guy.

I'm always kind of a little bit of a prankster, and and he fit right in like a brother to me.

So and that's always my test, like can you handle the you know, the sarcasm that I might throw at somebody.

And he took it well and and and reciprocated it, and it was like, Okay, he passed the test real quick.

I just I don't know every you said, lock Step.

I think you know a few minutes ago.

I just feel like we're all walking and with the same.

Cadence in the same direction, and it just I don't know, there's chemistry there that that is critical for this to go somewhere.

I was probably a little bit more.

You know, you're you're asking somebody to be the lead singer of this kind of baby project that you've been working on for four years, right, So I was a little bit like, man, I really hope this guy can deliver it in the way that we're hoping, right and so, and also getting him up to speed with our sense of humor that's been developed over decades and you know how we relate to each other.

But I tell you our guitar player John Tooley and David have connected in such a way that, I mean, these dudes are like super bros now And it was probably you know, I was telling you guys before how the Showdown and how huge they were in a much of a big influence they have over you know, a large audience, and I had no idea how popular they were.

And it's probably best that I didn't, you know, because I would probably use that as an asset to him rather than him just being himself, right, would be a little jaded or have a have a bias towards Oh cool, this guy would come sing for us because and he'll bring all his fan base.

I'm I didn't have that actually, because I didn't really know much about the Showdown.

But he you know, there's something called LSD, which is lead Singer disease.

I don't know if you guys have ever heard that.

Oh yeah, so David doesn't have that you know with this big No, he doesn't, and you might I'm not saying you might think he does, but he absolutely does not.

He's he's super humble, very humble and man.

Because I can be a harsh critic when he's in there tracking vocals, I can be pretty hard on him to perform something because when he gives you glimpses of his ability, like when he was recording and you're going, whoa, bro, you just hit something there that was super passionate.

We need you to do that more.

You know, he would take it.

He would never be like, no, I'm done for the day.

You know.

He would.

He would rise to the occasion and bring forth this very emotional performance that I'm just super proud.

I'm super proud of that guy and just glad that he's a part of what we're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah, this is I'll say this not to not to be a slight on David at all.

He's got loyal dog energy, you know what I mean.

Like, he's gonna go out and he's gonna do exactly what he can do best.

And if if someone thinks he can do better, he's gonna he's gonna believe that.

And he's gonna nail it.

I love his his energy so much.

The guy's got foods of it.

But to start with, he's definitely a golden retriever.

Yeah, he's definitely the golden Retriever.

And I could see where he would just fit right in and and you know, surprise people, especially in new circumstances.

Not to mention that, I mean, he's just immensely talented.

To start with, he's got one of my favorite like lower register, harsh vocals I've heard in the entire music scene in general.

So hearing that, you know he's going to be a part of Hope Deferred.

I was ecstatic already, and he was already telling us about this.

I think what a two years ago maybe so he was.

He's been chomping at the bit and he's been very, very excited for this.

So understandably why, I mean, I get it because it's great music thus far.

So have you only heard the two singles or have you heard the whole record.

I've only heard the two singles thus far, but it's been it scratched my itch and maugh so far.

More than that, I promise it delivers on if you're used.

So there's parts of this record that David does or that is akin to what David does that I think the fans have showed out where he does that kind of.

That pitchy scream thing in key.

Yes, and there's moments of that on this record.

Uh captures his his ability to do that sort of stuff.

So it's really cool.

Didn't you guys didn't bring in a Harley to record in this for this album?

Did you know?

Did the showdown do that?

Yeah, they have one of the coolest intros to teach it was not hospital teacher.

No motorcycles were harmed in the recording of this album.

So oh man, So.

Are they the why that the the d C Talk song?

Weren't they?

Yes, they did do a d C talk song.

Yeah.

Why Why did you guys choose Halloween?

Is it?

What?

Was it intentional that way?

No, I mean, you know, we're not going to ruffle any feathers there.

I mean, we could get hyper hyper religious with it, but no, it wasn't.

I mean, Halloween's just a cool time to release the record.

But we especially when.

This pacing out the singles and you know, we started to kind of I know, we wanted to spread it out over more of a like maybe a two or three month plan, but it ended up all kind of emerging for October, and so we were like, let's drop a single the first, the fifty then let's release the record on the thirty first, and yeah.

I love it.

Yeah.

I mean we were thinking we were gonna have this out a year ago and right, so, I mean it couldn't come out soon enough for us, but you know, back and forth with mixing and getting it mastered and artwork and it just, man, let's get it out this year.

That was just kind of where we were in like July, we'll go, let's just get it out this year, and it just it's all all the pieces of just fallen into place for it to be ready.

Heck, yeah, I love it.

Well, I know what my soundtrack for what I'm getting ready to go out with my son and wife for Halloween is gonna be.

We're gonna be dressing up like Star Wars Sith and uh and listening to.

Some Hope Defend.

So it's gonna it's gonna hit hard.

So can't wait.

Should we talk about most influential albums?

I'm afraid that if Jason goes before me, he's gonna take some of the similar albums, but why don't.

Why don't we just go back and forth because we grew we kind of cut from the same cloth in a lot of ways when it came to music that had heavy influence on us.

And Beautiful I'll let you start, Drew, I'll let you start with Vulger.

That's all right, come on, Vote was just one of the most influential records, you know what I y I'm going to go back though.

It's Master of Puppets for me from Metallica.

I mean it's if you're asking for the top five, you know I can give them to you.

I mean it's I can give you the top three for sure right now, and then we'll let Jay do his.

As far as five, it don't really matter after that, but it would be a Vulgers Power, not in any order here.

But we've got the Master Puppets, Separateurs, Arise, Suffocations.

I got two in there from a band called Suffocation.

I got Effigy That Forgotten, a Pierce from Within.

So I'll live with those five.

Vulgus play Power, Master Tuppets, Sepulteurs, Rise, Suffocations, Evagy That Forgotten, and Suffocation appears from with it.

I'm going with oh go ahead.

I think it's kind of interesting because bands from people who started playing music in this scene, specifically from your generation, so it kind of like a generation before Mason and I Vulgar seems.

To be.

Always at the top of the list.

What is it about that record in particular that you think just has gotten the fancy of the scene, especially the kind of like the Christian alternative scene.

I don't know why, because it's it seems to be almost specifically with a lot of like your early tooth and nailed style bands.

I will say this, man, So Terry Day was the producer on that and the tones that he got on that record set the course for Monster a lot of different bands, like you wouldn't have the depthtones tone if you didn't have volit power.

What he was able to.

Capture with dimes guitar tone and the drums and the bass and Phil's vocal performance.

It's just magic, man.

I mean that record is magic.

It's really real.

And there the Pantera's hometown boys for us.

I mean we grew up, we didn't know them necessarily.

We would run into them at you know, Walgreens occasionally but I mean they were kind of.

Pante was a Pantago sound studio, right, Cowboys from.

Hell and that was it.

That was you know, so so so there was always this kinship of just being local too.

But I mean the the guitar, tones, the drum, I mean, the whole that whole.

Album is is ridiculous, you know, for me coming from oddly enough being the bass player, and Justice for All hit stronger for me as.

An influence than that it did Master.

But I but both are fantastic.

That's the correct answer, it right, I mean, the right answer.

You know.

It's it's interesting.

Normally there's this there's a cutoff with most people with Metallica what their last good record was.

And you know my age, I fall into the Injustice Frauls the last good record.

You get a few guys that are a year two older.

It's like, no, no, no, Master Puppis was the last good record.

So that's always been a debate.

But it falls into the category for me.

But you know, Justice for All simple to Our Rise was a was a great, great album that had a huge influence on us.

There's a band called Malevolent Creation.

Even the Apocalypse was an album from I don't know, nineteen ninety two or something like that.

Retribution, Yeah, even the Apocalypse was that was the opening trap of Retribution is the album.

And to me, if you have time to listen to any of that, like that area of vocal range.

Was kind of a sweet spot that I feel when it comes to David, like that was kind of an influence for me, Like, man, this is he just kind of hits.

That mid rangey below and anyway, you know, so that that would be kind of in the top there certainly.

Yeah, if you have forgotten for me, even unmetal related would have been the depeche Mode Violator.

So I do have a little bit of departion, you know, or departure there from from the metal stuff coming up.

But is that why you were listening a lot when all those Embodiment fans got really mad at you all.

No, we were listening to the Depths.

Oh yeah, we're listening to Foo Fighters or something.

Probably who knows.

You guys just wanted to be Dad's so bad, right, that's a great list, it is, you know, to add a little depeche Mode into that.

But like you guys are you guys are metal heads through and through like that There's there's no question about that.

Jay Or We're gonna give a nod to the bleeding and can't corpse.

We can't.

You can't go without saying.

I mean that that was a massive influence too.

I mean, you know, put.

The asterisk there with lyrical content and all that stuff.

But I mean, but musically like that was the stuff I mean that we were.

We were so angry being in the Christian you know, seeing if you will, or music and try to be influenced by that.

It was always so hard.

To find good at that time.

You know, let me sacrifice that was that was a believer.

I grew up listening to those guys.

But Andy and I were mortification.

Yeah, I mean we were a Joshua bookstore, try to find heavy Christian music, and we found three albums and then we're like, okay, you know, Holy Soldier is not gonna cut it.

We gotta we gotta find something better.

And don't know Petra for you, you know, I kind of missed the petrophase there, but but you know, it just we we had to find more music.

And I mean I think it was what blockbuster music.

If I recall back in the day, you could go in pick the CD.

They would open it for you, give you phones and you could listen to it.

Right, So, I mean we would go up there, seem like every Friday night trying to find metal.

We'd go to that section and just dig in.

Oh man, gore, guts, gore fest.

I mean, you can find all kinds of old school disincarn it.

That'd be another album if you're not familiar with that one that is incredible dreams of the carrying kind.

So make note of that.

That'd be a good listen if you know, if you have the time for that.

But there's we can go on and on on on the old school death, not.

All of it fantastic influence.

All right, Let's just like what it was like to go into a Blockbuster on a Friday night, though, what what an experience.

Let's talk.

Let's talk plugs.

Obviously record comes out on October thirty, first Halloween, for the spooky season in your life.

What else would you have like to plug?

That's it, That's it, huh.

I mean, we've got a we've got.

Our merche stores in full force, you know.

We uh, we may or may not be dropping some a hoodie or zippa for winter season.

So but we're very we're blessed to see how many people are responding to the merchandise.

I mean, you know, they're just basically this off singles and a little bit of a legacy of whatever was done before with Embodiment, the Famine, the Showdown, and we've had quite a great response and it just it makes a smile because it's just a bit of a it's honoring and it's flattering the same way.

So but yeah, I say we're plugging the merch store.

And then obviously, you know, I mean we're at an age guys where if you buy the record, awesome, If you don't, who cares, you know, I.

Mean we don't.

We're not gonna We're not.

We want you to enjoy it, you know, because we do kind of a thing, and that's kind of was part of the start for this whole thing, was we want to write and record music that we would want to hear and that we you know, we we believe in lyrically and everything.

So yeah, I guess I guess the main focus is that, you know, if you're into the style of music, if you want to support it, then yeah, cool bias CD.

You're sure you know, or the vinyl and if not totally cool, I mean.

Please, well that that's good news for me because they already downloaded it off of line.

Good for you, hey man, even if you even if you download it off of Spotify or whatever.

I mean, we're only missing like maybe ten cents, so you're good.

And the beauty of it is it's we're just happy to be writing some good music.

And that was like you said, that's that's what it all comes down to, is what do we want to hear?

That's what we want to create.

And all the other stuff, like literally everything.

Else, the podcast, the interview, which is cool, like all of that is secondary to just having some music that we really love.

I mean I listened to it two or three times a day.

I'm not.

I mean it's like because it freaking it gives me goosebumps every time, like I love it.

So I mean, mission accomplished, you know, and and all this, all the other stuff that they're on the fringes is just bonus in my book.

Whenever you listen to it, do you do you ever like think to yourself, damn, who is that stub muffin that wrote that baseline?

And I say Yeah, that was Andy, So yeah, I think about I think about him all the time.

Jay represents well on this record with that savage pick attack.

Come on, Jay, Yeah, there you go.

Are you guys planning to take this thing out on the road and all?

Question?

Where do you guys live?

I think, I think, I think a show is imminent?

I really did.

Okay, you guys live?

All right, We're in the Upper Midwest, so chances are you're probably not coming up here, but maybe we can travel.

Who knows, I don't know.

Lincoln, Nebraska is a pretty good spot for us one time.

Oh there you go.

Can you find your way to Lincoln?

Oh yeah, yeah, it's like three and a half four hours from me.

But that that's that's right, that's right.

Where do you go to see shows?

Like?

Where would be the closest big city for you?

Uh, Sioux Falls for me?

For Mason to be Minneapolis.

But I go to show and the color will come up to Minneapolis, you know, if there's a big show happening or whatever.

Twin Cities.

We had a lot of fun.

Saint Paul remember Jay's time.

Yeah, Oh yeah, Well what.

Was the venue for?

It was actually a church run venue and it was a really great spot.

Uh, but I can't I mean, honestly, I can't remember the name of it.

A lot of that's a blur.

Uh.

It wasn't like Club three degrees.

Whatever it was called some reason that sounds.

A little has it been around for thirty years?

It wasn't around.

There was one that was.

It was something that this was before my time of living in the Twin Cities, but there was something like like, don't quote me, I'm sure there's Twin Cities people I would remember, but it was something like like Club three degrees or something three degrees or something along.

It was so yeah, and if I remember right, it was a church run venue that would bring in a lot of Christian bands and man it was.

There was a phase where like almost like churches got a budget to make their own little Christian music club.

Yeah.

I mean a lot of them did it really well.

Uh.

And it was a lot of fun to play, you know, and.

I like, I swear to God.

Like some of these youth pastors, part of their job description was to be a booking.

You're right, I think you're right.

Yeah.

They kind of had to be, you know, fans of of the.

Music in the first place.

Almost so good stuff though, all right, well, anything else you'd like to plug?

Jay, you should run with this.

You're fantastic.

That.

I don't you know, I can't think of anything right now.

I Are you gonna tell him?

Tell him about the background vocals you did on that one album, Drew.

Oh m hm hm, No he's doing Yeah, we can't do it.

We can't do There's nothing to be embarrassed about doing background vocals for the Wiggles.

I'm just saying, like, there's nothing to embarrassed.

The Wiggles are very highly successful band there.

You know.

It's almost like doing background vocals for Weird Out, Like you think Weird as like cheesy, but then you realize, like, no, this dude is like brilliant.

And I feel like that way about the Wiggles, like actually really brilliant.

Yeah, so nothing.

To be ashamed about that with, you know for you, and I appreciate the Wiggles.

You're liberating me to to stand up for my past there.

Yeah, like stand up for yourself, like you don't need to be about that.

Like, I'm sure there's lots of other things to be ashamed about for you, but that is not one.

I did not know you had to fall settled like that.

It's impressed Colin.

You know, you guys are really encourage me to to.

To be bold and to just shoot in.

Never tell a lie.

You never tell a lie.

That's right, that's right, right, you let other people do it for you.

How about how about is this a small nugget of information?

Just let me hear a little fruits out, a little fruits you know.

No, no, I've.

Got I've got nothing that I've gotten them.

I thought we were gonna get one of those little falsetto accents on the fruit salad or potato tato.

But I wish I knew you were.

Acceptance is the first step of the stages of grief.

I'm just saying his.

Kids were His kids were already in their twenties by the time the Wiggles were around, so you know, he just he was more.

It was more of a tell Tellytubby guy or whatever, oh God.

Pee wee Herman.

Maybe a little yeah, yeah, good stuff, good stuff.

Well, guys, it was great to chat with you.

Super excited for the new album to come out very shortly, just in a few days.

We'll get the episode out after the album comes out, but just very excited for you all and and hopefully we'll get to see you uh in concert at some time.

It'd be really fun to see you guys play live.

And I can assure you this, if we do see you in concert, Colin and I will be in the middle of that pit.

Just saying sweet.

Absolutely.

Suit Falls twenty twenty six.

There you go.

Let's let's let's let's make it happen.

Let's make it happen.

Alright, good to see you guys again.