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Welcome to and That's what You're Really miss podcast.

It's TV Musical Day wo Kevin.

Today we're going to recap Nashville the Pilot.

Yes, very excited.

Had you ever seen Nashville before?

Yes?

So I watched like the first two and a half seasons.

Okay, okay, Jenna, I mean if you can't tell, Jenna and I have not discussed this at all.

Sometimes you will talk like a little bit.

Yeah, we have not talked.

What did you watch this?

No, I had never seen it before.

Oh.

I also didn't realize it started so early into like Glee's run.

Yes, get me halfway through.

But yeah, this was an earlier musical TV show and it was very exciting, very exciting.

You like country music, I do, and I didn't, and I'm a convert.

I did not like it until probably twenty fourteen.

So I don't know why I watched Nashville because I did not like country music.

But I actually didn't care about the music in Nashville.

It wasn't the music at all.

It was the show.

Well, and I think it was the way they used the music, so we'll get into this.

So yeah, yeah.

Pilot of Nashville aired October tenth, twoenty twelve.

Wild the number one song was One More Night by Maroon five.

That eumbyone movie was taken too, never saw it?

Where was My Daughter?

And the was Glee news this week because we were up and running and we were deep in we were in season four, so this was the breakup was season four episode four that just aired on October fourth, That was on a mini hiatus and we would return on November eighth with the role You Were Born to play the Grease musical.

What a time to be watching Network TV.

There are two music and on October thirteenth, some of the cast went to the premiere of American Horror Story Asylum at Paramount.

It was me, Leah Corey, Chris Nyaccord, Melissa Jacob, Becca Alex Dean, Lauren Dot and Jane Jenna saidna, thank you, I said.

No, thank you.

I also think I was working.

Yeah, I remember you guys getting ready on the lot.

Yes, we did, right yep.

Okay, fully, that's why I'm wearing a raincoat because I have nothing nothing to wear.

Okay.

That usually was like the thing We're like, what are we wearing at this point it was early.

It was really I loved American horror story by the.

Way, Oh yeah you, I mean you would try to force me to watch it, but horror things were not my.

I mean season one is just perfect.

And Connie Britton was in that.

Yes, damn, she is just a legend, which.

Is how I think you probably got into Nashville.

Yeah, part of it.

Part of it.

I don't know what it was, and I don't know who it was, but I really was.

I don't know how somebody convinced me in my mind that I was going to watch Nashville because like looking back at Jenna in that time, Yeah, I don't think I ever would have watched it, but it got me.

It took its hooks and like sunk them in.

I was ready, Yeah, okay, we'll talk, we'll talk.

I mean, so diving into the show.

The team behind this show is wild, like, I mean wild, wild, wild So.

The creator of the show as an Oscar winner from film on Louise Kylie Corey Wow and her husband TiVo Burnette, was the music supervisor of the first season like Royalty Here, and it was produced by R.

J.

Cutler.

He's an incredible director and has directed some incredible music documentaries and it's wild to me that like he directed this.

I can't leave that those three between those three.

Callie Corey is the creator and executive producer of the show and also developed it with showrunner d Johnson, who was a writer and producer also who worked on Er and The Good Wife.

Maybe that's what it was like.

It was there's like from the creator of like because I just you know, I watched a lot of TV, so I mean those are like.

Ris wonderful TV gets you hooked.

They know how to do a story, compelling story really effectively.

And then you have Connie Britton.

I mean that's how you get her like like he was involved, truly.

It's so good.

It's so good.

The pilot was a hit with the critics, by the way, the special praise for Corey's writing and the casting obviously with Britain and Penetier at the home like they were both great and this like emerging rivalry that they're going to be pitted against each other but also have to be next like with each other.

It's great.

So ABC canceled the show in twenty sixteen after four seasons.

But then CMT and this was like that world where other networks were picking up shows that got him.

Just started in like that was not even normal practice.

No, no, no, not at all.

I think this was one of the big ones that kind of had that recognition, and then it picked it up for CMT picked it up for five and six.

It aired for twenty one hundred and twenty four episodes.

Kevin, Yeah, it was very similar to us.

The show generally, for those of you who have not seen it, the show is about we're launched into like the Nashville country music scene, where there's a legend played by Connie Britton rena At who's clearly has a reputation, has been in the game for like twenty something years.

And then you have a younger is played by Hayden pin Tier.

It was the up and comer, and obviously like Rain and Stars fading, Hayden pin Tier's characters stars rising, and then you have all this sort of incestuous family drama.

We love that.

Yeah, and it feels a bit soapy, a bit yeah, Dallas the yes, exactly.

It's giving me a little bit of like Yellowstone vibes.

It's giving me a little bit of like, you know, pre Yellowstone, Like it's giving me a little bit of Friday Night Lights dish like it, you know, bringing Connie written back there.

Like I loved the just the tone, the tone, it was very like just slightly elevated two soap level but back down to drama like it's a hybrid, right, and then you had music on top of it.

I think musical television shows, as we've learned, have a lot working against them in general, and why so many have not really worked.

It's very difficult, very difficult.

And like with Glee, Ryan and Brad and Ian managed to really thread the needle on what they were going for.

Right.

It's high quality.

How they're using the music is really smart and clever.

The storylines are really meaningful.

But also there's like a sense of self effacing comedy, right yep.

And so that's why the show worked Nashville.

And like, I think the reason why I didn't watch it is because, like I can't do a musical.

I don't really like country, I don't really like soapy stuff.

Yeah, Like I just it wasn't my thing.

And I think things about the music business as we know, I am really sensitive to like hokey.

Yes, Yes, it's kind of like when I I'm having like a a moment with acting, right, and I feel like or even back in the day after Glee or like you know, around that time where you're like do I want to act anymore?

Is this my thing?

At least for me?

And like watching like Call my Agent, watching extras all those shows, it felt too close to home where I was like, have no interest in watching this on my time off, And I feel like for you because this is so music driven and it's kind of like pulling back the curtain on the music industry also, which I'm not even sure you really knew about all that much, but like I think just like the music of it, all the country music, like you said, it just wasn't like it's not what you were watching.

That's exactly right.

I did feel like I am watching something on my day off that I don't want to be watching.

Yeah, And I did, like I grew up in the music business, like I knew it so well that like like watching A Star is Born.

I love that movie, and then every time it gets to sort of like yeah, the music business side of it, I'm like, oh god, they're just not getting it right.

Yes, yes, so that said yeah for the first time watching this show.

Yeah, overall, because I think this is where we're headed overall.

What were your thoughts on the show?

What were your thoughts on how they approached the music industry side of things, the label, the tour canceling, all of that, and like, you know, the kind of washed up artist like artistry.

How did you take all of this and what did you think of the show?

Oh?

No, I went through a number of things.

So it's like the first third I'm like, oh, interesting, I'm in I like it.

Okay, middle third I'm like it's a little soapy, and then it gets to the end and I'm like, oh, I need to know what happens.

I was like, I don't know if I can.

I don't know if I'm into this, And I'm like, I'm very much into it.

Yeah, that's what why I think.

I watched the pilot, and so many shows, i'll watch the pilot and be like, eah, maybe I'll watch the second one.

Nah, I'm done this one.

I was like I know that I watched this pilot and was like, I must watch this next episode.

You know what.

It's confident TV making.

Yes, and I think with music, when you have people who are doing a musical or a musical movie or it's theater or whatever, you can feel when people are not confident.

In what they're doing.

Yes, yes, yes, And I feel like because you have this teene behind it, gosh, it just feels like we know what we're doing.

We know this music is good coming now, the storyline is good, yeah, trust us.

And I could feel that through it.

And I think where the magic in this is is because it's country music.

I think when you get into doing like hokey pop songs, like totally, I'll just use the stars born yep, when like Ali's character is making like pop music and it feels like fake pop music, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

The music in this show is used.

I mean so in the pilot at least.

Yes, I don't imagine them breaking into song walking down a hallway at any point exactly that it's all used organically.

It's all used when they're actually meant to be performing and they're good songs, and you're not even getting full songs ever, really, you're you're getting portions of songs and they're not necessarily telling a story, but they're driving the character they're driving the character.

The act of the performance itself is the story.

It's not about the lyrics of the song necessarily, yet, it's about what the music means to those characters or the device in the music business.

And as someone who is not familiar with Nashville or the country music scene, yeah, what I appreciated was like this insular nature of it all where you have this big music producer who's also hosting a radio show, who also is getting honored at the Grand ole Opry, and how it's all tied together felt yes, not.

It didn't feel heavy handed, like I bought it.

That is sort of how the music business works.

You also have really incredible actors in Connie and Hayden.

I thought we're sensational.

Yes, and wow, I bought this was the first time I bought the music business side of this.

Wow, that's huge.

I wonder what Kevin's gonna think about because it didn't make me uncomfortable.

I think a lot of those times when they're just like they'll say some like crazy thing.

Like well yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're like that's not how it works, not and like, no, this was reasonable.

She's in like the twenty something year of her career, they like, give you the business.

Side of things.

It's like you're not selling, you haven't been, like, let's tag you on this is how it's the business is changing.

I thought that was interesting of really tapping into like how it was changing in that time, and I appreciated that, and I was curious if you thought that that was like true to like the times that we were going through with me totally.

I feel like it was even when I was like right before Glee, like we would talk about with record executives, the changing evolving nature of music business constantly and nobody knew what was going to happen.

And I also think like how they would even talk about songs, because I do think it it works differently depending on what type of music you're doing, and the fact that, like Connie Britten's character clearly is not necessarily a songwriter, and so the A and R guy is like, well, I brought you these songs that you didn't record, right, Okay, So we're listening to demos, We're like Hayden's character is recording these songs and clearly writes and says like I want to write to.

You, yeah, exactly.

So exactly.

Wow.

Yeah, obviously there's allowances like we're just you know, it's a TV show.

We're expected to believe that Home Boys the best band leader in the biz.

And but overall, like there was enough that you bought into that you're like, fine, I'll give them a pass right on some of the things that were kind of elevator and not really.

Super Yeah, because I think that has like when you get behind we get into the weeds a bit about the creative team behind this.

They know.

How it works.

Yeah, yeah, and so like when you're talking about you know, I've never seen that in something like oh, you know, the capacity for the arena is like sixteen thousand seats.

You used to sell that and no problem, you sold twenty four hundred seats.

You have to cut down production costs.

Yeah.

They're not glamorous things to talk about, right, and they don't necessarily take a lot of time to talk about.

But it gives you the sense of reality and sort of a show that is a bit soapy.

Yeah.

Yeah, the stuff with the mayoral candidate and all that, like, yeah, that feels like the But I'm.

Like, I think because it's the family, like they're including the father of or the why the husband and then the father who's funding this and trying to kind of control him right through politics of it all.

Like I think the family element for me and watching a TV show is always bread and butter, brothers and sisters, parenthood.

Like any six feet under you bring me a family that goes through drama, and I am you know, it's a hit so if done well.

So I think there's like the element of like the drama side of the writing and the including the characters in this like web that is already disembedded because family is so complicated, and then on top of it, like country music is such a beloved genre.

I mean, like the audience.

You're drawing a huge, a massive audience into this show and then giving them this like really good drama as well.

And I thought it was interesting that Cary Corey, she had a Kelly Corey she had said the show matters to me.

The reason the show is important to me is that music is to the United States as wine is to France.

We've defined ourselves through music really since the beginning of our country.

The world of the musician has gotten dismantled in the last twenty years due to new realities and technology, and Nashville is the last Bastian Bastion.

Nashville is the Alamo.

The show shows the human side of musicians and the real life struggles that we have, and I think it's a positive thing.

And then she also had said, like one of the fun things about doing the show is like listening to songs.

So behind the scenes, the music team, they're going through songs and songs and demos and everything and figuring out which character came up with it.

So they're taking these demos and attaching them to characters that would have written or take these on.

So we're having these imaginary writing sessions with your character and you know what every line means for them.

So like there it takes on a whole other, like kind of meta reality, she was saying.

And I thought that was so interesting in the creation of the show and then also bringing it alive through the story for through these characters.

I thought it was just really effective.

And I totally bought into the music, even though I don't really know how music industry works, Like I know enough that I was like, Oh, I think this, I could buy into this because it's it's the business side.

It feels like they're given enough of it that like, oh, this sounds like it's based.

Off of real things.

Yeah, And the performances were excellent.

The music is actually very good.

I enjoyed it because there's like the mix of like some of the characters that are a little bit more folky country, which I like, and then there's characters that are like the true country, like Connie Britain.

So you have these different iterations of the country genre as well.

I'm like, great, give me this, like every everybody.

So all these musicians are so different, so we're like also celebrating musicians as well.

So there was something very I think it was like close enough to my to my realm of things, but it was far enough away where I was like, oh, I want to watch this, I want to attached to this, I want to know what happens, But I don't feel so deeply invested in this industry that I'm like, oh, I like watching Call my Agent, you know.

Yeah, And I like, for me, there's there's so much like you were saying, if you have good family drama, like you're hooked.

And for me, it wasn't until like that last scene where again, like you hear a third different type of country.

Sam our producer and I were talking and it sounds like almost like a Civil Wars song, the Great Great Group, and like, and it's so different from any country music we've heard yet in that episode exactly.

And then for me, I'm like, Okay, how is this going to impact the storyline of these two country stars because you're battling over music, you're battling over relevancy, and you're doing it through the music.

Yep.

Yeah.

And it's not about again telling story through the song, it's the device.

The music itself is the device.

And like, to me, that was really exciting what you were saying about how the creator of the show and the writers actually listen to real demos and songs that had already been written to use for the characters in the show.

And that's what it feels like.

It doesn't feel like we are writing fake country songs, right, it feels like these are real country songs.

And I think they were right.

They were.

You could have had Faith Hills songs in here.

You could have had any number of people.

And then you're also getting a little bit of a history, right that one little scene with Connie Britton at the radio station and she's talking like they played Tammy Wynette and then she's talking about one of her favorite songs.

It's like it's sprinkled in there with like real education about real country legends and all of that just creates a really full pick.

Sure.

Yeah, well having the grand Ole Opry like also like all these real pieces of country history.

And then like Nashville.

I'm sure they shot in Nashville quite a bit, and like the city itself is a personality and so like I love Nashville.

So I just I thought, like the whole all these like pieces like we're just so synergistic that like it lined up to this like really good crafted pilot, musical pilot, like very good, clean, clear like succynct.

Like the rivalries were there, the character developments there, the music was there.

I understood exactly who everyone was.

It wasn't overwhelming, like I I'm into it.

Think about when it got to the end, I was like, that was only like forty two minutes.

A lot happened so much a lot, and.

That is such a skill, like I e.

Like the economics of writing of being able to we know who everybody is and there's a lot.

It's not just love triangle.

It's like love triangles, family drama, music drama.

We went to a record label, We had a walk on a bridge where we learned about a history.

Then that guy's also involved now with Hayden's character.

And then you have two mayoral candidates and a former mayor who's also your dad.

Like, yes, so much that happens.

And like you said, we start with seeing the Grand Ole Opry, Oh my gosh, and the scene like what better way you have to use the Grand Ole Opry the Mecca and I mean you've gotta yeah, but you also the Bluebird Cafe.

As someone who's never been to Nashville, I even know the Bluebird Cafe is an iconic venue and it's one of the main set pieces in this show.

Yep, it's yeah, it's going to be utilized a lot.

I'm curious if you found yourself rooting for Reina or Juliette in this or were you rooting for anybody.

Again talking about like the economics of writing.

Obviously, Team Na right, obviously, Like she even has that little diva moment and she called you know.

When she's what does she.

Call her ears?

And then she apologizes to everyone I'm like, that's a class act.

She has a moment, she owns up to it and keeps it moving.

Also because it's like through the eyes of Raina like a lot of this in the family, Like yes, we see Juliette's like human side with her mom and like.

That hole, which I like, really effective, reallyciated it.

Had to be done, it had She just comes off as like a young diva music girl with no personality.

Hayden's really good.

Hayden is Hayden's excellent, really really good, excellent, And I think in my head she's always like the cheerleader and heroes so unfair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, And oh my gosh, I watching her play this character, I had so many flashbacks two people I sort of grew up with, like oh like music, yes, And I was like, I don't this is good, Like she's really good.

Yeah.

I loved their first interaction so much when she's like my mom.

It was they both were just giving it, and I was like, you know what, like I'm here for this.

I am We're going to get so much of this, I think, And it's just it really gives you a place to go.

And we hate dumb characters.

Jenna, and these are not they are immediately.

How it is written, like you have to have these characters have been around too long.

You don't get successful by being dumb and following upwards like yep, yep and her immediately being.

Like what was that?

Like, I really appreciate those.

It's a little Roxy and Velma.

Yeah yeah, Well, ultimately I do want them to do that.

I do want them to like we're stronger together, we need help, and but I know it's gonna get messy and I and I don't trust Randa's husband, as far as I can throw him, I don't trust him.

Interesting, I don't trust your dad.

Well he's obviously the villain, but I do trust the husband.

I don't know if maybe Interesting, I just we'll see.

Connie Britton is so good.

There was this There was this one moment, you know, when they're having which having a conversation with Deacon on the bridge, and they're not even alluding to, like they're pretty explicitly talking about that they used to have like a love affair and he's still in love with her right and she never I'm assuming it might happen at some point because it's a good soap but she never crosses the line in terms of but she lets him say his peace, but she doesn't really give him anything.

And then she even at the end, she doesn't start like place a hand on him or.

Like pat his chest.

She like uses the back of her hand like very quickly to sort of like it's such just for me, like growing up being around like southern women, even when I met Kord's mom, like we'll give you like a little punch in the shoulder where like you know, it's not necessarily like overly affectionate.

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and like she doesn't ever cross the line right.

Well, and also like her saying like I wasn't gonna use them because I thought they were all about me, yeah you know, and he's like, well they are just even like the looks she gives, like the close up at the end when before when she steps on the stage with him, and then the look of the close up of like her on the stage, and like the look of the ability to convey a full message in that moment in just a five three second smile, to not smile is not as you as you'd think, And she just.

Did it right before twice when the producer calls her yes to play that song yep, and I wanted to.

I was desperate for her reaction, and she doesn't give you too much the thing that would normally be done in a musical, it would be like her being like, you know, like I'm so excited, like what is this?

We have to and they don't do it.

They don't fall into that trap.

And that's just the magic of icon Connie Britain, because I think if you have somebody and why brothers and sisters were so good, if you had people who were leaning too far into the soapiness of it, the drama of it, and it doesn't work.

And I think there's a couple a couple people in the show where you see that are leaning a little too heavy into it.

But then you have like the Hayden and Connie who are keeping it really grounded.

It's good because like it's the South, it's a little rough, it's a little messy, but there also is this glamor.

Yes, and the country glamour, and that's.

The incestuousness of it, and like country music that as we know with Beyonce, they are very protective of who's in and who's out.

It is a club and I buy that.

Yeah, it is this incestuous.

Yes, I meant I I love it.

I love it.

I was very very sold.

Once again rewatching this, I was like, yes, I know why I watched the show.

Yeah, yeah, you reminded.

And it still holds up, Like I I think it's very good.

Still, I do feel like, so this is like the first show we've watched where there's no Glee crossover.

None, And also like, okay, so if we were talking about like Zoe's Extraordinary, where there is Gley crossover of course, but also like the vibe of the show, the tone of the show like Zoe's, I'm like, yeah, we would have a flash mob on New York Street, Like yeah we would.

This was like so different.

This actually was like you bring in, you put Friday night lights with music, you know, country music, Like that's the show you're getting.

It's not it's not Glee.

It's not bright, it's not poppy, it's not you know, it is quintessential soap drama, southern you know.

And I I I think that's why I think I liked it so much.

Was like so far removed.

Yeah, it wasn't anything like ours, but it's successful.

Right, it was like successful in what it did.

And I just think country music, the storytelling aspect of country music itself is also like you know, us saying like Connie Britton's performance is also humble, like at the at the root of it, like you were saying, you have some folksy stuff, you have more poppy stuff, but it's always about like storytelling first.

Yeah, And so I think because the music is not some heightened, overproduced thing that all feels Yeah, I guess it all just feels like humble.

I don't know how else to better say that.

Yeah, where I buy it and it then it makes me think like how had this not happened sooner?

The show?

Yeah, like how did something like this not happen sooner?

And I remember when the show came out being like, well we had a successful musical, so everyone's trying to make TV musicals and it kept getting renewed and it kept doing well.

Was like, damn, this show must be It is true, though, like you know, there were a lot more musical TV shows trying to do things after Leate, Right, it's in the geist.

It's what happens.

There's NASA success, people want that too, but this is the type of people who should be doing it though, Yes, exactly, it's different.

It's original, it's it's done well, it's well thought out, well thought through the messages there why she's doing the show like, it all comes back to the intent of the show versus like making something just to make something right.

And I think country music is such a brilliant way in like it's its own personality in the music industry.

It's its own thing, right Like, it's very insulart, it's very you know, clickie like you said, and incestuous, and so I just I like how they wove in all those you know, the political things and the family things like I actually found it more dynamic and interesting, even if it was a little campion, a little drama, like to bring in those things to make it feel less musical driven and more about like, let's just have a drama.

Yes, And I think you're right.

I think striking that balance was the key to this because it didn't feel it never felt like a musical right right in the tradition sense.

Well, this was successful.

This was a successful watch.

I wasn't sure how you would take to it, but I'm really I'm really grateful and happy that you liked it so much.

I I I might have to watch the second episode.

I know, Well, let me know if you do.

I like to talk about some of these performances though, Like I know they're snippets, and I know that there are songs, but I want to know, like your favorite ones, and I want to know like what you thought, So like, let's just talk through them a little bit.

We can get a whole light grade since it's not really like full performances, Like we can just kind of go through them.

It's my life, Reina.

It's quintessential country music, right, this is what this.

Sort of feels like someone who was famous in the nineties or early two thousands.

Yeah, but and I buy it, like it feels like if and I don't.

I don't mean this in a drugatory way.

I love Faith Hill.

I was in a Faith Hill music video as a are you oh my God, Kevin Wow, But like that's what it feels like to me.

M and I love seeing the grandell Opry I and I thought her performance was right, like there's not a lot of frills.

She's just up on that stage in this my only, my only critique, and I'm sure it will change as it gets going, but like she felt a little uncomfortable, like I wanted her to feel a little more like.

A like a diva that she is, or like the music.

There's like a familiarity of being on stage and feeling home on stage, where like the act of holding a mic, even in the sound check when she does that and.

She's like it all felt a little like she's not super it's not everything.

M Yeah, but okay, so we give it a I'll give it a B plus B plus great love like mine.

Juliette Hayden definitely was comfortable up there.

Yeah.

I feel like the same way about her two songs in the recording studio again flashbacks.

I know, I won't tell you that's all the same girl.

I'm thinking, oh, that's funny, that's funny.

It's somebody we know, sister, oh God, Kevin, And like literally that experience had happened to me.

I was like, damn, Like this is because they were like growing up at the recording studio, Like there were sometimes you know, back when I thought I was straight, or like I might be recording and then somebody else would be there and like she may go into the recording booth and like anyway, wow, I don't need to all that so it's real.

But it was.

It was real again, like the little things about like oh my god, even the thing where she's recording and they turned down the music and they just solo her, Oh yes and they're talking.

Yes, yes, yoh my biggest spirit because being in the recording viek god.

Yes, are you kidding me?

The amount of times I imagine the people on the other side of the glass having that conversation about me.

Oh yeah, no, I'm like yeah, I'm like, oh god.

I think people were like, well, that's what audigiens for, thank you so much.

Well I'm like, I'm like, that's not necessarily she's not off pitch.

She just didn't like so like that was sort of like the part that like, you know, I'm like, Okay, well that's not really accurate, but who cares.

Fine, that's funny.

But both of the both of her numbers.

Like A yeah back home for Deacon, she's very he's very, very sexy.

I like the Bluebird.

I like these.

You'll see a lot of those.

You'll see a lot of this.

So yes, I give an a already gone raina.

Sorry I jumped ahead to this a little bit, but I'll give that like an as yeah.

Yeah, I mean again half grades because they're not really full perform they're like snippets.

But I did appreciate the I like Connie's voice.

I do too.

I like a lot very like unpolished about it and not in a bad way, but like in a good way, like like a country way like about it.

Yeah, I like it.

It works.

I like the rehearsal setup too, Like I bought all of that, Like I really.

A lot of people in the music industry like really giving their two sense in this.

Its like that was a real setup, like when we rehears for tour, Like that's how it looks like that exactly.

That's why I'm like, okay, we they did their research.

Yes, and like Connie felt comfortable, like as the character felt comfortable in that space, and I was like, yes, like this is somebody who has done this time and time again.

Yes, she's a professional.

If I didn't know better.

Scarlett and Gunner, Oh it's the one.

It's the one.

I was singing it by the end of the day.

It was it's a breakout moment.

This must have done well right, Like this song did very well.

Also, like Scarlet, I love Scarlet.

She becomes one of my favorites.

I think she's a really special actor, like a special character.

There's something about her.

She's like the anti Juliette.

Yes, it's all very pure, and she's she will be a breakout character as well.

The whole thing is she is.

Her and Gunner are adorable together.

And her voice is so different and that's what I like about like this kind of country music.

It's and I'm curious to hear I could I don't remember what he's like.

Oh, I have an idea, so I'm like, what are they do?

We just turn this into a Nashville Oh.

This is why I wanted to recap this overdy because I remember loving this show so much.

And the drama is there.

Well, I have theories like I wonder if they try to take her songs and give them to Connie Britton's character, but then there's drama, but because she's related, and then eventually Connie Britton finds success again through her music, and then Scarlett feels like a little I want to these are my songs.

I want to have a career.

And then Connie's like, I crush you like bug you know where, Like because Connie's character seems nice now, but like if she finds success again and rides high from that, who is she going to be.

Met?

That may be so off bait, but that's what like they have.

I don't remember, so I don't my seeds of all this drumah really because I.

Am like you, Jenna, I am a sucker for some good family drama.

That's what I'm telling you.

Everybody is, that's why they do so well.

I'm also still pissed she didn't show up with the other guy's mayoral launch.

I liked the idea, but it is better drama.

No, of course it is.

Of course it is.

It has to be.

But I was sad too because he seemed like a good guy.

Yeah, and I appreciated.

I was like, oh, this is going to be fun.

She's gonna be against her husband.

Yeah.

No.

No, she showed up because well because she.

Her dad revealed that bank rolled her first album after she went into that studio.

I did into that label and said I made you.

Oh.

I was like, oh, she's still like daddy's girl.

I got to show up and like thank him for doing the singing and ask him to do.

I know, I know, I know, still tied and then she feels tied.

So which does happened again?

Do you know how many stars that we love today whose families bankrolled their first album.

It's a new form of nepotism.

But it's like, you know, I don't I feel I feel like that's fine.

Like if your family has the means to do that, and you have the talent and ability.

To carry it, to carry it, then somebody believe in you.

Because there's a lot more people whose families do that and you never hear of them because they're not good.

Well that's what I'm saying.

It can't just be that somebody fund your album and then you're automatically successful, Like you know, the people will.

Really help the people talent about it up.

The people speak, yes, let's do some tardy ticks.

Cringe womans.

I don't know if it was cringe, but it made me uncomfortable with her recording that song and then like in the booths and then looking.

At yeah yeah, it's like too much fast forward.

Yeah, but you know, like it happens.

It happens the best song if I find matter?

Yeah, can I also sorry?

I want to bring up how the music was recorded.

This was clearly recorded studio, properly, yes, like even if people didn't have great voices, it was still proper.

Like you don't have to have a great voice to again, you know, sing some of these songs.

It's not about that, right, but it's done at a high level.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were produced.

Yeah, well, well performance by a prop.

I liked the perfume bottles.

I really enjoyed that.

She's like, I don't smell anything like welder water water.

Oh am, I supposed to judge if I can't.

The fear in her assistant's eyes at all times, it's good.

It was good.

I agree.

I think I'll say I'll say.

Raina is in ears that she throws.

I'm having a deeper moment.

Those are expensive.

Oh my god, you're using them right now?

Yeah.

Somebody else was using them for their podcasts, and I was like, why have I tried in ears?

I don't know what are Oh you know, I didn't like these.

I don't think I have them.

Oh, Kevin, Okay, best line, Okay, I there's one rain Of line, and there's one Juliette line that I really liked and you may agree with me.

Raina's is, well, you can kiss my decision as it's walking out the door.

Oh yeah, And Juliette's was my mom was one of your biggest fans.

She said, she listened to you while I was still in her belly.

And then Raina says, We'll bless your little heart.

That is a charming story.

Yeah, I think I second though.

Yeah it was.

Oh how oh the two of them, very ten of them.

The casting of this show was brilliant, Like I just want to see them spar not.

Everybody can hang with mss Connie Britton Hayden.

No, I know it was.

They were at the same level and performance m VP.

Oh, Connie Britton, Connie Britt doubt but Hayden's Hayden's up there, No, no, yeah, I'm honorable mention Jenna.

Am I gonna start watching the show?

I think you should.

I think I am.

You're gonna have to have stuff to do while you're resting your voice, so you may as well.

Oh god, you're right.

I've been doing in the past two days.

I just watched so much TV.

Yeah, I haven't watched TV in months.

I know, I've been watching a lot of TV now too.

A lot of things coming out.

Yes, have you watched Next Gen's Chef?

No, but everybody's talking about it really Yeah, Oh it's great, Jenny, you should watch it.

You love a cooking You got me into cooking shows.

I do love a cooking show.

I do love a cooking.

It's it's really really well done.

Okay, I think you would like it.

Yeah, I'll check it out.

I also just watched The Lazarus Project, which then I found out got canceled after two seasons.

I have not seen that.

I don't know if you'd like it.

It's like a little sci fi.

Yeah, I don't, thank you.

But there's a new season of Slow Horses, so I'm excited for that.

Oh that's a good one too.

I haven't started that one in there.

But you know I love a good little spy stuff.

So all right, what's on the TikTok?

Kevin Okay ship we found on TikTok.

It's really simple, it's great, it's funny.

It's Man of the Mirror.

If you want to.

Alan excess Stilenski, yeah, Duda, duda.

If you want to make the world a better place, take a look yourself and make that Change, it's me as Artie, and then on Change it's Naya as Artie.

That's really funny, very good, It's really yeah, it's very good.

Really enjoyed it.

Simple yet effective.

We love that.

Yeah, all right, we did it.

Another successful watch, Nashville.

I hope you guys enjoyed it.

Let us know what you think of the show and your thoughts, and thanks for listening.

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I don't know what happened to me, Jenna.

This always happens.

I know, we get you, we get you, get you, and then your guys excited as signing for next week.

So we're staying in the TV world honor the new season of Gray's Anatomy premiering.

We are watching the Gray's Anatomy musical episode.

Stick with us.

I don't think this is gonna be all sunshine and rainbows.

Wait, it was season seven.

It was that long ago.

Yes, yes it was, and it was called song Beneath the Song and Kevin, I'm really curious for all of your thoughts.

I'm gonna hate it, You're gonna hate it, but I can't wait I can't wait.

We say it with love because I love Gray's Anatomy.

And also like I loved it because it doesn't even matter because I love Gray's Anatomy so much.

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