So I've nearly said a rude word that I really wanted to.

It would have been affectionate, but YouTube be YouTube be demonetising me quite a lot lately for saying naughty words.

My guest on the podcast this week is Dave the Brown Sound from Sum 41.

Big guest, big dude, big chat.

Honestly never met him before in my life.

At the end of the episode Simon the editor said I didn't realise you guys knew each other.

Guess what?

We didn't.

We just broke down immediately about his illustrious career, his brushes with death, of which there were many.

The guy is a legend.

I had such a good chat.

It's Dave Brown Sound Barch on the Downbeat podcast.

Dave Brown sound.

How do I, how do I pronounce your second name?

You can say bash.

Bash.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nice.

How are you?

Man, I'm good, I'm good back in Glasgow.

Thanks for coming.

This place has been like treating us crazy for for years and years, like since the first show.

And I mean, after that, I can't remember where we played the first time.

How big was it?

Maybe, maybe 405 hundred, but at that time we had already had like half hour power out and we had just started kind of touring.

All killer, no filler.

You did 500 then?

Because I feel like you're the biggest banner in the world then, to me anyway.

As a kid, no.

I mean, we came back so many times.

Like we ended up going back to bear lands.

Then I think it was called SECC.

Yeah.

And did that and yeah, it just wild times.

I wonder if it was was it on a main?

Can you remember if it was on a main road?

It was probably ABC which burned down.

Maybe it was ABC.

Maybe it was ABC.

Let's just say it was ABC, yeah.

Thank you ABC.

They're fucking.

Crazy.

Here.

Yeah.

Amazing.

The chant.

We didn't get the chant yet.

Why?

What?

Do you mean you haven't got the chant?

Well, which chant are you talking?

About here we, here we, here we fucking go, OK?

Yeah, yeah, we've.

Got Yeah, of course.

It's only like, I can't think of another place on earth that has its own chant for bands.

Well, I didn't want to claim chant and then not know what you're talking about.

Be like, Oh yeah, yeah, we got the.

Chant no, you definitely got the chat.

Clap down, clap your hands.

There's no show that happens that doesn't get it.

OK cool.

And Scottish people hate it, but as musicians I guess.

My favorite thing on the fucking earth like.

So why does Scottish people hate it but they.

Think it's cringe?

Oh.

The people that do it don't think it's cringe but like other people that are like too cool for the show.

We're just like.

What shows are you playing?

Oh man, I.

Mean I just know from talking to other Scottish.

People, I don't see it.

Targeting in on someone going fuck this, fuck you, you'll hear it tonight and you're going to be like, oh, I remember now.

I gotta say, I, I don't know if I would, if I would do it at a show.

I, I don't think I could.

No.

But I, I totally ride with people that I love it as a performer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I, I feel the same way.

Everything.

Yeah.

I'm 44 now, so 94.

Yeah, man, 1980, baby.

You look younger than me, Lotion.

The whole fucking band.

I was gonna bring this up.

Yeah, still looks like babies.

Like what's the you got like a little you got a Botox guy on fucking on the bus.

Just no, man, we, we just started taking our you know, I think almost all of us have either been affected by death directly or it has happened like really, really close to us.

So I think all of us just kind of had that wake up call.

You know, Derek had severe, severe health problems where he's his whole life reset.

Like he drank so much that they did like a control alt delete on him.

Fuck.

Right, came back to life and then had to relearn guitar, relearn how to walk.

This guy's been through this shit.

He got fucked up in COVID as well I.

Remember, yeah, I had probably one of the easiest bouts with testicular cancer that anybody's ever gone.

Through I didn't know about that.

That's the thing, I didn't know about it either, right?

So I'm, I'm sitting there examining my myself and I'm like, oh, do it.

OK, so just take like, so rub.

Is it hard?

Is it like a pee?

Does it move if it doesn't go get checked out?

When was this, by the way?

Before I give you my fucking.

This would have been 3 three years ago I think.

Damn, yeah because I found something on my nut from doing the same check.

Yeah, freaked out.

What happened when Cyst?

Oh, lucky.

Guess what, girls still there, but like they were like, it's just desist.

But I had that whole thing where I was like, when I googled it, I was like, that's it, I'm going to die.

People are like, so I'm down one, but you're up one.

You're like Craig 3 nut.

They take the whole the whole thing off.

Oh, no, OK, OK, OK, so you.

No, no, no.

I mean, did they take your whole?

Oh yeah.

So the doctor was like, all right, So I within a week I had about two to three strangers touch my testicles, which was super weird.

And then, yeah, your hot is my super weird.

So I get there and he's like, yo, so this is definitely what I think.

I'm still going to do an operational procedure to to be absolutely sure.

But I'm just going to tell you right now, if I see what I think this is, we're going to lop it off.

And he's like the whole time he was just like, you're going to be fine.

This is an extremely, you know, survivable thing.

And we're catching it like at a point where it's not spreading anywhere.

So you're going to be good.

No chemo, nothing like that.

Just fucking.

I'm just down one.

Yeah.

Did they pop a little fakey in or they just keep?

They gave me the option.

And you and they.

Gave me that was the first thing.

One of my buddies in Pennywise, Fletcher, when I saw him, he was like, so rocking a fake nut or what?

And I was like, no man, I'm, I'm, I'm not.

He's like, oh, too bad.

I wanted to see what it was like.

I was like, hey, just so dodged.

Dodged a bullet.

I got a question about that.

Did they put you on testosterone afterwards?

Because you're testosterone.

No, no, I, I, I have no testosterone supplement anything like.

That fucking jacked.

Well, I mean, I, I do exercise, that's for sure.

Yeah.

But I mean at the same time I, I haven't noticed any kind of performance, any kind of testosterone issue.

I didn't know if when there was one.

I just in my head, I would assume Yeah, yeah, I, I.

Thinking of it now, I would assume too, so I don't know.

Beard.

Yeah, I can see that's a great beard when you let that go.

Perfect amount of chest hair, not too much, not too.

Little nice, also hot.

You can see.

Fuck it.

But I'm so glad that that, you know, you came out of that relatively unscathed.

Yeah, yeah.

And the wild thing is too is that when it happened about 3 months earlier, my mother had been been diagnosed with breast cancer.

Oh, I'm sorry.

So, you know, if there is a God, I I don't know why this person is so obsessed with our private parts.

Yeah, Jesus in my family.

Yeah, it.

Couldn't be fucking.

You said it, man.

Right before, before we move on, I need to we had an off camera conversation where I was like, do I call you Browns Town or do I call you Dave?

Yeah, yeah.

OK.

So, all right, so to to break down the whole myth or whatever everybody believes.

So it doesn't really have anything to do with my skin colour.

It just happens to be the same sound that I was asking for the first time we were in the studio as with an engineer named Blair Kali Baba, who did How Far Shallow Takes You by Gob.

Another great record.

And I was like, what do you want?

I'm like, I want it to sound like this.

He's like, oh, you want the brown sound by Eddie Van Halen?

And what?

What is that?

Because in my head, the brown Isn't the brown sound supposed to be the noise that makes you shit yourself?

That's the brown note, Yeah, Yeah.

This is the brown sound.

This is the brown sound, Yeah.

It's a bigger spectrum.

It's yeah, it has more treble in it.

Explain the brown sound.

So it's essentially a plexi hyped up with gain.

Like just biased to to a crazy amount.

Standard plexi or modded?

It depends, nowadays you probably have to mod it because there aren't as as many plexis available.

Unless you're like Jack White and you got like, you know, like 15 Maranses will.

Be my mate in Nashville, yeah.

The guy, yeah.

He's a good guy.

Yeah, you'll be great.

Yeah, just walk out to him.

Nowadays you have to mod to get the sound, but it's just essentially having a high gain sound that doesn't get drowned out.

So plexis as they have less gain, tend to be a little more punchy.

So it's just kind of the the essence of like maintaining that punch, having a thick sound when you're playing rhythm or leads.

Whatever, nice, doesn't matter.

And then it just stuck.

Then it just stuck.

The guy said it and then what?

The rest of the band was just like Brown sounds or what?

What happened?

Because Stevo the whole time.

So Stevo is, is like, what are we going to call you?

Because everybody's got a nickname.

I I nicknamed Derek Busy D We called Stevo Stevo 32, because, you know, he was horrible at sports.

I didn't know that.

But yeah, yeah.

So.

And then he was like, yeah, we're going to call you black magic.

I was like, no.

No, I don't think we're doing that.

I don't think.

We're doing that one, no and then.

Imagine if.

Your name was black magic.

Oh, the we went from like chut.

They went from like.

Chut.

What was chut?

We just saw it on this show called Mr.

Show.

Yeah.

And we, yeah, yeah, we.

What's his Bobby Cross and Bobby?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Bobby.

And yeah, we saw this character named Chut, and they were like, oh, that's your nickname?

When I was like, hey, I guess.

How long was Chut?

Very short lived until very short.

Yeah, yeah, Brown.

When brown sound happened, it was like that's that's the one.

But yeah, it was brown sound.

That would have been 99 I believe 9990.

8 Believe how old you are.

Yeah, believe it.

You look like I'm not even fucking joking.

You look like 28.

Oh man, telling you.

This is fucking sick.

This is this is doing wonders.

Do you think it's the pink light?

No, I saw you outside.

All right, fair enough.

Where it was dark, it was dark.

No, no, we're good.

We're good.

OK, fair enough for you.

Good for you.

The whole fucking band.

Because like, I'm drinking a whiskey.

This this time requested room temperature water.

Which is, by the way, a couple degrees under room temperature.

I don't know if you can see that in the cameras.

He didn't request room temperature water, but Hayley, the press agent, when I text them to say please let me know what Dave wants as a refreshment, Yeah, it was told to me, room temperature water.

And I remember thinking very Wayne's World of him.

Yeah, and a cat.

A cat and a pepper.

Yeah, we got that.

We got that.

It's good.

We're done.

We should probably talk about your.

Band.

Oh yeah, that sounds good.

Too much.

Too much fucking sweet banter.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, there's chemistry, man.

I.

Like you, man, I love it.

Like sometimes someone comes in, I don't know, we don't know each other.

Imagine that we don't know each other.

Sometimes someone comes in and I'm like when the fuck is this over?

And it's like a band that I love as well.

Don't try and guess.

No names.

No names.

No names, but I'm like, just just be cool or and you know what it is almost the almost every time.

It's what you said about the red light going on.

Yeah.

And afterwards they'll tell me some sick story.

And I was like, where the fuck were you?

We'll say OK, say the name without vowels.

There's so many vowels in the name.

I'll tell you afterwards, it's absolutely insane that you said that.

Fair enough, Fair enough.

You.

All know.

Last tour, yeah.

Yes, sad, happy, everything, everything.

So playing LA for the last time was crazy.

It was it.

We started there at at a time where punk had been there and especially pop punk had been there for a long, long time.

So we weren't expecting anything from LA.

We went and played the Glass House in Pomona.

Pomona, yeah.

Yeah with with face to face saves the day and New Found Glory fell in love with this crowd.

I just.

Seen some of what we want at the Glass House.

He's so sick.

It was it was beautiful man.

And and yeah, there was a guy that used to run that place.

His name was Rusty.

I'm not sure if he's still there, but thank you, Rusty, for all the shows.

Thank you.

We went back and filmed the Fat lip video there in Pomona because we just started.

At the Glass House.

Well, not, not at the Glass House.

We played the Glass House after fucking outdoors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we, well, well, the, the video's outdoors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry about that.

Yeah.

So we, we ended up going back to the Glass House playing headline and we're just like, we're going to go and film this video here.

And the whole premise of the video was like, maybe, I don't know, it could have been summed up in like 5 sentences.

It came as as a long treatment, but literally the director could have just been like, people go crazy when you put a camera on them and that was it.

That was the premise.

So we we just basically pressed record and people just went off.

One of the best fucking videos of all time.

I think it's just.

Becoming dude I I.

Thank you very much.

I think it's just because of how natural everything kind of happened.

Like there was a light thing like that.

We were in catering and the director was just like who wants to get their their head shaved and then someone their girl got her head shipped.

Same girl gave me her Pomona high school sweatshirt.

I traded her a like a famous stars and straps shirt.

I still wear that hoodie to this day.

That's so cool.

Yeah, man, it it this those moments are like the important moments that mean a lot during this career.

Was adding pain for pleasure to the end like or intended?

Or were you just there and you were like?

It eventually was intentional.

And I, I'm not sure if it was because Stevo saw a train that kept on going in the background.

He's like, oh, look how metal that is with the the train going in the background.

And then it just kind of snowballed into yeah.

But eventually we were like, you know what, it'd be kind of fun to have a tickle trunk full of.

Do you call them tickle trunks?

Here.

No, I don't know what that is.

Sounds horny.

It does.

Well, once we put on all those tight pants, Yes, yes, it was very horny, but the IT was a tickle trunk filled with Metal Gear.

And that's where like we came up with the whole idea of like, maybe this isn't just a 32nd song.

Maybe this is a full band with a full history.

And I became pleasure, Stevo became pain, Conner became sniper, and Derek became Gunner, right?

And we just became this.

As soon as we put those wings on, wigs on, we changed into different people.

It was.

It was like channelling the dead.

I remember like, man, what year must that have been like?

That would have been 99.

We released it 2001 I believe.

2001, Yeah, I was 14.

Yes, dude, it was.

And you know what?

I was a punk kid.

Yeah, I love fucking round here.

I love Lag Wagon.

I loved all that shit.

And I was also a metal kid.

Yeah.

I was unaccepted by any of these.

And then that video comes out.

Yeah, with both in one.

And I was like, see, I'm fucking telling you guys, we're all the same people.

Dude, I used to have to hide my my punk rock records underneath my bed.

Because from the metal.

I played.

I played in a death metal band, like, started with death metal band, right?

But it wasn't like death metal today was.

It was more along the lines of like, like Carcass.

You know, along the lines of like Carcass hard work, but without the amazing riffs.

Without you got riffs, you got riffs.

Well, back then, back then it was different, right?

But yeah, hanging out with like 40 year olds that would like that would just shit on punk bands.

So if I had any punk rock anywhere.

They'd be like, yeah, how come the wolves?

Yeah, dude, how come the wolves under the.

Bed yeah, but I I ran into to one of the guys later it was at a a fair called the Bolton fair in Ontario and all I hear is like Dave, Dave and I'm like, oh, is that such and such?

So I I turn and I'm like, Oh my God, dude, how's it going?

And some 41 to kind of lift it off at that point and he's like, what's with that punk shit, dude?

No way, Yeah, no way.

Just calls you out.

Just.

Straight up at the Bolton Fair.

It's a joyous place, right?

He's like, he's like, what's with that punk shit dude?

I'm like.

Still calling you out for it?

I don't.

Know I'm successful bro we're having I'm having a blast man I'm like I'm playing with like my best friends in.

My head.

It's a Renaissance fair, by the way.

It it could you're.

Just like a night.

It's oh, I wish.

Oh that.

That would have been awesome man.

He's like an old pig.

He's like, what's with that punch?

That punk shit Squire, you know?

So he goes.

You fucking changed man.

Oh, one of those.

And I'm like, oh man, He's like, yeah, you fucking changed.

And then he just took a bite of his cotton candy.

Is that real or is that?

That bit is absolutely real.

He took a bite of his cotton candy, shook his head, and walked off.

You should have went What's with the cotton candy?

That's the least metal thing you could do.

You know what though, he loves cotton candy.

He didn't change I I got it handed to him for staying the same over after all those years.

Meanwhile, you had.

One of those massive bits of meat on a like a renaissance and you're like, I haven't changed bro.

Yeah, I was holding my jousting stick, so I I couldn't.

Yeah, wait, this is what?

I was telling you earlier I was like, it's it's press, but it's not real press.

Like we started talking about the last tour and now we're on to Renaissance fairs.

Yeah, exactly.

What we need to do is come back to the last tour.

Absolutely.

From Glasgow to Renaissance fairs, Yes, LALA show was crazy.

What was the venue for that?

That was the YouTube.

Theatre.

I was going to say, you guys must have been big.

Dude, it looked it, it is a beautiful place.

It looks like an old, like gangster hideout where they would go and like, you know, book their own acts and this and that.

And it was just one of the most beautiful shows and one of the most moving moments Derek will see.

It will say something to introduce into deep.

And for every single one of us at that show kind of had that moment where, you know, you start reliving and choking up a little bit.

And yeah, it it's it it sucks.

It's amazing to relive those moments.

And it's I, it's indescribable.

There's no real words.

And I don't think I'll have words for it until you know, the everything is done because it's happening every single night.

The realization that this is the last time we'll be doing this here.

So.

US is done.

That's.

US is over.

So you got UK, Europe, Yeah, and more.

Is this it?

Is this it?

And then Australia and then we tour.

We do what no Canadian band does and we tour Canada in the winter.

I've done it before.

It's.

Horrible.

Dude, how about those loadouts?

Alright, well, you fucking do them, do you?

No.

Well, OK, I play in bands at home, so yes, I still do shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so -40 with a touching a cabinet handle.

Frozen to it like a home alone trap.

I did see the Northern Lights once in Canada on a like a winter tour though.

That was like the best thing ever.

I've never seen these things.

Probably I saw him in your town.

I'm starting to think that, you know, maybe I don't know, somebody's playing a prank on me.

Like, oh, tell him about the Northern Lights.

Tell him you seen him give.

Him tested good cancer and make it make sure he comes to the fucking Northern Lights.

Fuck this guy.

Sorry that was out.

That was fucking out of pocket.

Also, yeah, yeah, take the part of his eyes that sees Northern Lights.

Yeah, while he's out.

That was really out of pocket.

We met like 40 minutes ago.

I'm really fucking sorry.

No, no, we're good, world, We're good.

Yeah, you ain't going to get me on that one.

They're way worse shit than that.

Fuck.

What are you going to do afterwards?

I mean, that was going to be my last fucking question, but we're on the subject.

Oh, I mean, man.

So when I get home, the first thing that I'm going to do, and I'm sure you have the same thing, is just a phone full of voice memos, waking up in the middle of the night going, yeah, totally.

And yeah, just riffs for days on my computer.

So I want to work through those, see what's shit, see what's good, continue on writing and honestly reach out to people.

Like during COVID I started reaching out to people and being like, hey, do you want to do something together?

Do you want to do like a song, a cover or something like that together?

But I think it'd be cool to start doing it like with, you know, with actual songs as opposed to doing other people's songs.

Would it be a band or?

I don't think it's going to be a band.

I think.

I think I want to have fun, you know, kind of like flexing the writing muscle.

I've spent so much time as kind of like a, a player that comes in.

And so the, the, the songwriting process with Psalm 41 is a perfect example because Derek will come with pretty much a full song and then be like, hey, I need a solo here.

Hey, I need something here.

And that's where I come in, right.

So as that goes on, you collect riffs and songs.

And yeah, I haven't had a time to even, I haven't had time to go through and even see what I have.

There'll just be times on a plain just delirious, just just key typing stuff into logic and then going back and being like, ah, that's OK, and then shut it down, then get back to to life on the road.

So you think it would just be for fun, you know, have you got like a, a plan with this or you just like I want to make music?

I think the plan for for all of that is to initially have fun with it and just live in that moment for a second.

And then kind of see once the money starts running out, just kind of see where I'm at and, and continue on with, with something that you know, requires me to be out there and, and earning.

Let me tell you about that money running out.

I looked at the fucking credits.

You're on, fat lip.

You know what?

You're on fat lip.

Life has been very, very good to me.

Me and my, my, my wife.

We, we live like a a really meager lifestyle.

We're not, we're not very flashy.

We like to be able to just travel at a moment's notice.

So.

So living in a bungalow, mowing my own lawn and yeah.

That's good.

So on that subject.

Yeah, Chuck, yes.

All songs written by Psalm 41.

Yeah, as opposed to what you just told me.

No, OK, so Derek will do the majority of the writing.

This is a guy that never takes time off.

Right.

Which is what led to, you know, the the end of the band.

It's like, it's just literally been like wake up.

Yeah, absolutely.

So now we we get to Chuck and it it was a little bit more of a of an of a band effort.

But again, it was, it was like when he brings a demo, it's you're kind of sitting there going like, oh, there's not really much more we can do to it.

So I'll try noodling little things here and there and if it fits the bill, it fits the bill.

I was just interested because when I when I was going through the credits, that was the only one that popped up that was all Song Sum 41.

I was like, oh, I wonder if there's a story there.

I think at that point too, we had fallen out with our manager at the time.

I did hear about this.

Yeah.

So we were just kind of like, we were also like, OK, well, This Is Us.

You know, this is This Is Us and the band and will be us.

And this is our answer to somebody being like, yeah, trying to stay claim on on things that they didn't really have as much to do as they thought they did.

It's kind of like praying, you know, you guys were young when you did the first stuff as well, like.

Oh, I mean, listen, we fell hook, line and sinker for for the whole pitch.

The, you know, the, the lessons that were taught that had to eventually be unlearned, especially with things like publishing, how to split up songwriting and stuff and like that, stuff like that and just business and how much we need to rely on a manager.

But yeah, we were very young, very impressionable.

And I still don't know whether this was a malicious thing by our ex manager or if this is how he was taught.

You know, So what?

Was it he was just taking too much money?

Yeah, yeah.

Like you talk about generational greed, like is was it taught or was it him being like a?

Very grassed plan.

Think about this.

Yeah.

I mean, well it's, it's also, it's also very, very far in the past, right.

And that that is completely separate from the other issues that have come up recently, so.

This guy should be a fucking politician.

That was absolutely perfect.

While we're on Chuck.

While we're on Chuck, yes, what was it like getting stuck in the Democratic Republic of Congo?

Dude, OK, so.

Because that's the thing that happened.

This trip was amazing that day we had gone to go see a give me the.

Whole thing.

Give me the whole.

Give me the, give me the whole.

Thing so we had found out that hip hop group called the Rascals had gone to Sierra Leone and they had gone with a company called War child well at NGO and we were like, this is awesome.

Like we and they approached us and they were like, do you want to go?

We're like, yeah, they're like, OK, come to the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Congo with us.

And we were like, yeah, yeah, we'll go sounds good.

What's going on there?

And so they gave us the the rundown of everything that was going on.

Everything it had was based around the fallout of the the, the conflict between the Lendu and the, and the Hima tribes.

And we were going there to just film a documentary on civil war, the effects of civil war that, you know, the everything that was leftover after, you know, Larry Devlin and, you know, Patrice Lumumba had fucked the Congo in in the 70s.

And we we had no idea what we were getting into ceasefire at the time.

Ceasefire at the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You were going.

It's kind of kind of weird.

Like we land in in the Congo.

We took a puddle jumper from Uganda.

It's a.

Puddle jumper.

So it's like a small, small plane.

The boat that lands on water.

Dude, so we we didn't, we didn't land on water.

We did land on land.

Damn.

But as soon as we land the, the pilots like, hey, so that's customs and immigration.

You got to get through that as fast as possible.

Do not let them stop you.

We're like, what's customs and immigration?

He's like that.

We're like that wooden arch.

So you just like you're, you're out of the country, you're in the country.

And that's just what we did.

So we just got.

Off the McDonald's side.

We got off the plane, hauled ass and then just did US just quick like stop because as soon as we get there it's just a dirt parking lot and there is a kid selling orange Fanta and then a guy straddling a rocket launcher.

Such a sick combo.

Like it was like the perfect picture of like what was about to happen for this entire trip.

And then we get in a, in a van and we take this like 3 hour trip that would normally take like 25 minutes, but because of, you know, dry and wet seasons, the road is just fucked.

And we got stopped one time.

Somebody just laid rocks across the road and then just came up to the van with a, with a cut glass and was, and was just like, yo, I don't know if you know, they're it's going to cost you money to get across this border.

And they were just like, all right, OK, OK.

And then word travelled that, you know, mazungas were coming through.

So just kind of got stopped, paid off of people here and there.

And then yeah, we we had interviews with the UN and every single one of them asked me the same question I get when I talk about how I support Newcastle United.

People are like, why?

Wow.

Why are you here?

All right, Why are you here?

I thought they were asking about Newcastle United.

I didn't know that either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.

Alan Chearer.

Yes, Sir.

Yeah, exactly.

That's why he supports Newcastle.

Like, if you're old enough, you fucking know.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Like I support Manchester United as a kid.

OK, OK, You love drop kicks, but I loved Newcastle as well because of Cher.

Yeah, of course.

It's not me, it's a football pod, no.

Yeah, our, our.

Salute.

A salute, Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you, buddy.

Thank you.

But yeah, I mean, I mean, once we got there, it was so beautiful.

We did so many things, went to a demilitarization camp to see kids that came out of conflict and came out of being a part of this just factory of children being put into war situations.

And, you know, we it.

We can go into further details.

You can watch the documentary.

It it's yeah.

This is a documentary.

You can.

Yeah, it's outlandish what they did to these kids, but by the 5th or 6th day we were eating dinner and all you hear is like, it's almost like a a shovel hitting concrete.

And we're like looking around and all the Congolese in the building just hit the deck and we're like, oh, fuck, OK.

Fucking bombs.

Yeah, so we we well, fucking.

Punk man bro what the fuck am I doing?

Exactly from the suburbs, right.

So we hit the ground and we're just like what is going on?

What is going on?

And then they're just like oh, it's gunfire don't worry, it happens from time to time.

It'll probably be over in a couple hours.

Well, 72 hours later, you know, we're sitting in one of the hotel rooms and we're I'm sitting there writing a letter to my then wife like, hey, this has been great.

I love you.

I hope somebody finds this and gets this to you.

Like left the address.

On the book and everything like that, you're that scared?

Dude we are holy shit.

We are literally on a hill.

So the main road is up here.

We're on a hill on a in a hotel that is just getting pounded with mortars.

Oh my gosh.

Because they don't have like, pinpoint mortar accuracy, right?

So, and we have the Congolese military and a Rwandan militia that have been turned away from the Rwandan border because of war crimes.

And, you know, they went to Rwanda.

They were like, yeah, we don't want to fucking go back.

So they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll probably just go back and take over the Congo.

So that's what they tried to do.

And we were just right in the middle of it.

And if it wasn't for Chuck Peltier, a Canadian UN peacekeeper, nobody would have made it out of that hotel.

24 hours after we got out, that hotel was just overrun.

Oh my God.

Yeah, that God again.

Let's give him the fucking cancer later.

There's a war that's a ceasefire, but when he gets there, let's fucking start it again.

Oh dude.

And.

Remember that fucking man?

That's not it.

I've got a couple more for you.

Like, dude.

So do you remember the bombing at Trafalgar Square?

Yes.

We were supposed to be at the Trafalgar Hilton that day, right outside of the.

So you know how the Trafalgar Hilton hugs that one corner?

And then there's the the the stairs down to the metro.

Yeah.

Where's the underground?

Is that what we call it?

And so we were going to be right there.

Windows would have been blown out like but we had a guitar tech that got busted with hash at the border so we got held up like 3 or 4 hours.

You were so mad at him and then you were so stoked to him.

That's so fucking funny.

Who is he fucking?

Then drop him.

Oh no, I.

Know what his name is?

That's so fucking funny.

And then the the last one I'll tell you about was we were supposed to, we were on a blink a tour with Blink 182 through the States.

We were supposed to, we had a couple days off.

We were going to fly back to New York and then fly out of Newark back to LA.

We ended up pulling down a chance to do a song with Tenacious D doing a Christmas song.

Wow.

So we're like, well, fuck the press.

Let's just stay in LA and like, do this.

Yeah, this is awesome.

So we had a great time, like hanging out with Jack Black and Kyle Gass and doing this song.

Wake up the next day and it's my tour manager.

He's like, turn on the fucking TV.

The world is on fire and we're like what?

So we turn on the TV and the fucking World Trade Centers are burning.

I forgot you were fucked.

You've been touring for so long.

Dude, we were supposed to be on that flight out of Newark.

No.

I am dead serious.

Dead.

Dead serious like you talk about brushes with death.

You've had so.

Many.

It's fucking crazy, right?

Oh my God.

Wait, would Fat Lip have still come out?

Whoa.

No, it was out.

It was out at that point.

Thank.

God, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So.

That is fucking insane.

Crazy, right?

That's.

Fucking amazing.

Wow.

I mean, it's horrible, but.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.

It is crazy how many brushes with death.

Is that why, when now it's ending, you're like, oh, OK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, I guess.

Yeah, Yeah, I've got.

I've got.

Like nothing that comes close.

But when you're talking about the war child thing, yes, I've seen the War Child documentary and I think it was very similar and probably actually quite indicative of the way that we went about it when the charity said, hey, do you want to give us some money?

And we were like, no, we'll just come, yeah, we'll just come do the thing.

Yeah.

Like I think that, like the documentary probably LED subconsciously a lot into that decision of just like, yeah, we'll just go do it.

Yeah.

Not that we were thinking like, no, we'll go terribly.

But like, that's the right in my head.

That's the right thing to do.

I don't want to just Chuck money.

I want to like, I'll give you money.

But also like, yeah, I need to experience this to really.

So we went to Kenya to give clean water to a bunch of water filters.

It was a hardcore help foundation.

It was.

Nice to.

Give water filters to like places outside of Kenya that didn't have clean water.

They taught us how to do it and then we went and we did it and we went and it's just all women there collecting the things.

And I said to the guy, Rico was with us.

Oh, what's what's the deal?

Like, why is everyone women or like, it's considered the woman's job to do it here?

And was like, OK, fair enough.

Different, different culture, whatever.

And then there's like three guys there with AK-40 sevens.

Yeah, me and Ed are photographer.

Look at them.

And one of them goes like this.

And we were like, Oh my God, That's right.

Yeah.

We can't tell anyone that just happened.

Or do we tell people?

I don't think we told anyone.

So then we're doing the giving out the war filters.

And one of the guys comes over to me and he's like, what is this?

And I was like as a war filter.

And he was like, I want one.

And the guy's got a gun and he was like, I want 1.

And I was like, I went over to Rico the guy and I was like, Hey, can I give this guy one because he doesn't have any.

He was like, no, that like don't don't give that guy anything.

And I was like, I'm going to argue with the guy.

So like I basically I was like, let me see what I can do.

And if there was a bunch of like broken ones everywhere.

And I like, pieced together a bit from one and bit like a bit broken bit from that one, added it to a, you know, sorry, the bit that worked from that one, I took the bit that worked from that one and made another one and gave it to him.

And then he left.

Yeah.

And then afterwards, like, we're at dinner and I'm like, you know, these guys, who were they?

And he was like, oh, they were ISIS recruiters.

And I was like, oh, I just gave clean water to ISIS, dude.

I just gave fucking Evian to ISIS.

Cut that.

Keep it in, keep it in and make it exactly after the 911 bit.

Oh man, oh what a hard realise I.

Know they are fucking refreshed, let me tell you.

At that point where you did, you just push your food away and go.

Like, oh cool.

Meanwhile, they're like, delicious.

What should we do today?

Well done, all right, This got fucking bad real quick.

I want to talk collaborations, yes, because some 41 has had some insane collaborations and like stuff like you must be in like a really reflective stage or maybe not yet.

It comes in waves for sure.

It's.

Coming.

Yeah.

You go home.

Ohh trust me, trust me.

It's coming.

Hand on my sons shoulder like.

How old your son?

He is 16.

So I I inherited both my kids when I met my current current.

Well, we call each other wife and and husband, but I mean, we're we're engaged.

So yeah.

Yeah, counts.

It's our second, it's our second goal for both of us so.

Do they play music?

My boy makes beats.

He's under.

I'm that cola.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And his beats are actually awesome.

Yeah.

Like, he's really getting into 90s R&B beats lately, which are, and he's like, he nails it every time.

Yeah, good sense of melody.

Like he he's really, he's he takes any kind of like mix advice on board, but does his own thing with it, you know what I mean?

It's not it, not it.

It's not me being like, oh, you gotta do this, you gotta do this.

He's he's really good.

Yeah, he.

Do good to take advice from you though.

Yeah, you've been around the block.

Yeah, and then a 20 year old daughter, yeah doing psych.

So when both of us are out of the music industry, she can help us out.

She.

Can help you out immediately day, day 2 after tour.

Like, OK, I'm fucked up.

Yeah, I want to talk about some of their collaborations that I know of and I've seen.

And just like I want to help you to remember you've done some fucking sick shit.

Yeah, sometimes I forget.

So what we're going to start with, OK, is I believe it was an MTV Music Awards or an MTV something.

The MTV 20th I think you're talking about.

You played with Tommy Lee and Rob Halford.

Absolutely.

How?

I guess?

Why just all of it?

Give me.

So we we worked with this genius called Louis Largent.

Him and a guy named Rob Stevenson split the A&R work.

And we got invited to go and play this MTV 20th because it was like old and new.

What year is this this?

Oh, I can't even remember.

Simon.

Yeah, you'd have to put it up on on the like just do you have like flashing graphics?

I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to.

We're going to do some little.

I want a little stitch some stuff.

This would be so nice.

It was the deal like Sparkles will come out like.

Simon, can you do that?

It was the.

Year.

There we go.

That's fine.

Yeah, we'll just do that anyway.

Carry on.

So we had we've been approached to do this MTV 20th party where like we got to do something really cool.

And Lewis was just like, OK, why don't you be the band that does a medley of the beginning to now?

And we were like, that's pretty awesome.

He's like, just play, you know, the songs that you love.

So we we were like, OK, well, obviously we mentioned Priest and Fat Lip.

We were fans of Mötley Crüe and, you know, we were like Beastie Boys, of course, 'cause our heads were, were very much like, Hello Nasty had come out like three years previous and we were still, yeah, still rocking it, like rocking it hard.

And to this day, that band is incredible.

So we put this medley together and he was just kind of like, what if, Like, why don't we just like, ask if they'll play with you?

We're like, yeah, why not?

So Island reached out to Rob.

They reached out to Tommy.

Both were a resounding yes.

They reached out to the Beastie Boys.

They were a resounding no.

And we were like, OK, yeah, yeah.

We were like, OK, here we go.

It checks out.

100% right.

So we we rehearsed it like and we got to rehearse with Tommy and and Rob.

So fucking sick bro.

Yeah, dude, the energy in the whole building changed when those guys came in, right?

So Rob walks in and and he's like, OK, well, we got to do some sort of move here.

Like we're going to do something cool.

Like, what do you guys want to do?

You want to do like a pyramid?

We're like, yeah, yeah.

So each of us like Rob, he's got the mic and he's like, OK, lean up against me.

So we lean up and he's like really leaning into Cone, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

So we were just kind of go, oh, Cone.

Yeah, man.

And when Tommy came in the room, he was just like, what's up with that Tommy Lee voice?

And and just we were having drinks and we did this thing and dude, the night went off.

It was crazy.

We went our dream.

Like if you had a dream dinner party, those two are fucking in it.

It was.

Crazy, man.

And they were just so open and like Rob pulled us aside like a little bit afterwards and was just like, listen, Tommy is a show stealer, all right?

So listen to me right now.

You do not want the biggest part of your performance to be Tommy Lee.

You want it to be some 41 and it was a little bit of like a a massive lesson and a wake up call too, where it was like, Oh yeah, you're right.

And also pretty bitchy that I just, I just imagined Rob Halpert to be like that.

This guy has been super kind to us through our our whole career and just he'll just drop little tidbits of advice on bands, I guess like that.

And yeah, to this day, like it's a it was a pretty important.

Lesson He's a dream guest.

Oh, I I just reach out.

To him, Have you read his book?

No, not yet.

His book is absolutely fucking insane.

Like I need him in that chair.

Like because in his book he just says all this insane shit he's done.

I'm like, this guy's a fucking legend.

He's AG, man.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that's fucking cool.

So we played it and we got to meet like a bunch of our favorite people in the world.

I I ran into Jacoby from Papa.

Roach, I know him.

He's a fucking big Stray fan.

He's such a nice fucking boy.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, we got the chance to get blown off a stage by them for a whole tour and through Canada, but that's that's another, that's another story.

But I ended up going to the bathroom before we left the the MTV 20th to go to, I think we were going to Niagara actually back in the day.

And he's down there and he's just like, do, do, do.

You'll never guess who I'm hanging out with.

And I'm like, who are you hanging out with?

He's like, you'll never guess I'm like then tell me is.

This Jacoby saying this, yeah, I can see him.

It's such a good impression of that mannerisms.

And he's so excited, right?

And he's like, dude, just wait.

Just wait.

I'm not going to tell you.

You just got to wait.

With his big hair, I'm going to see.

It out from a stall walks Ace freely, right, Ace freely of kiss for those of you that that don't know what I'm talking about, but he walks out and he's just like Jacoby.

When is that cab getting here and when is my wife getting outside and Jacoby's like he thinks he's outside.

He thinks he's waiting for a cab.

Dude, he's fucking wasted.

We're just sitting there like this is like a Cub episode, just coaching Ace through the fact that yo, no dude, you were actually in the basement of a building in the bathroom.

Let's go get you to do a cab.

Fucking sick.

Oh my God, that couldn't have been like I wanted to ask that question.

Like how was that night?

Couldn't have asked.

For a better fucking That night was crazy.

Next collab?

Yes.

Ludicrous.

Saturday Night Live?

You won't.

Work with me.

I'm going to tell you one time.

Don't with me man.

This was one of my favourites.

Ludacris's camp was very, very high for the whole, for the whole short process.

I think the most that we got to do really was so we played SNL, we we played the song with him.

And I mean, what an incredible MC dude.

Yeah, he's amazing and like a guy, he's fucking sick as well.

Yeah, he came into the studio and did one pass, did outtakes, and then the producer at the time was like, so do you want to go in and do any punches?

He's like no, takes the headphones.

I can see that as well.

$80,000 Mic and then just bounces so serious.

That's it.

Yeah, I, I So you know what do?

You track that in a studio and then.

So yeah, we tracked, we tracked it all up.

Yeah, tracked it all up.

And then he just came in, did the verses and yeah, he, he crushed it.

Like, just him in general.

Like I remember back in the day on like on cribs and stuff.

Yeah, he was just so funny, as well as being like such a sick rapper.

I was just like, this guy's fucking sick.

That's why when I look, when I'm like looking at the list of bands you collab with, I'm like, you are living my dream.

Yeah, like absolutely.

So sick.

And he, he took that into his lyrics and his presentation too, which was like, I wouldn't call it lighthearted, but it was like he had a, there was like a sharp humour to him.

Yeah.

That he would that he, that I I really liked about his style.

Fuck, yeah.

Yeah.

OK, next one.

Yeah.

Absolutely upstaged.

But not even no, not upstage is the wrong word.

Overshadowed by hero Chad Kroger.

Oh, Spider Man soundtrack.

Kerry King solo.

Overshadowed for a reason, the song isn't the strongest song.

Carrie King, but.

Getting to work with Carrie King was unbelievable.

Was it like, because this is still what's that, 2000 something?

Is this?

Were you in the studio together?

Did you meet each other?

We so no, he he kind of he played the solo in a studio in LA.

We had the track.

Actually, we did track in LA, but we were gone by the time he came in to do the solo.

But that song we did with Rick Rubin.

Yeah, Rick Rubin comes up to me.

He's like, hey, I want to show you something.

So he takes me to this cardboard box and he's like, I got these pedals and he starts showing me these pedals and I'm like, this is fucking rad.

He's like, yeah, have you heard of this one before?

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is cool.

So we're like, we're seriously like blowing down on pedals.

And it was it, it was a really beautiful approach to take me into the studio and, and kind of, you know, make me feel good, right.

So he's like, have you seen this type of guitar?

I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen one of those that's kind of cool.

We're playing.

He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, I know that riff.

And then he's like, oh, come with me to come with me to the kitchen.

I, I have something to show you.

I'm like, oh, cool.

I'm going to get like, maybe he's going to show me like his grilled cheese recipe, something like that.

It's going to be rad, right?

And he opens up the fridge and he's like, look at this.

And it's just a bright light behind a fridge filled with bottled water.

It's just filled to the brim like you would see in like a, like a convenience store, right?

And I'm like, yeah, that's cool, man.

It's a lot of water.

He's like, oh, no, no, no, no.

Look at the label.

So I read the label.

It's like Canadian Music Water, which is a real brand.

You could probably just flash to that as well.

But it's like, it was, it was all that was the punch line that he, he took me on this whole tour of the studio, took me back to the kitchen.

It was just like Canadian Music, water.

That was.

It that was it.

That was it.

My God, it's like fun and.

Obviously, if you like Mr.

Show, that's probably the funniest thing that's ever fucking happened.

It was, it was, it was awesome.

It made me laugh.

And then, yeah, I mean.

Why did he?

He did it for a joke or he did it to make you feel at home or what?

Like I.

Think both I think to get a like to get a laugh and make me feel at home like this guy like he's got a good mind on him for for making people feel comfortable and I had.

You going?

There's a lot of water, bro.

Yeah, this is.

Yeah, it's cool, man.

There's a fridge full of water that's.

So fucking funny.

I don't know what we're going to do, but yeah.

And then the I liked working with him because we had a couple more conversations than I think maybe the other guys did.

He is a very hands off producer, but I think he is hands on until he feels like you've got it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I I, I really liked working with him and I was going.

To say did he do any weird Rick Rubin shit?

But you just told me the weirdest talking Rick Rubin shit I've ever heard.

And honestly the stories I hear about him are more he's more on the the psychological side and good ear side.

What was he with?

Production when he oh was it was the blue.

Jeans, white.

White shirt.

Nice, yeah.

Absolutely.

Barefoot or what?

No, he had shoes on.

I just can't remember.

I couldn't see that.

The light in the fridge was too bright.

I couldn't see his shoes.

Oh.

That's so good.

I was about to say I got a bone to pick you, but it's actually a solidarity bone to share with you.

Hit me, man.

I am a Larsa work apologist.

I love him, love his playing.

Metallica is my favorite band of all time.

I will hear no slander.

Now I know that you're in your corner with Kirk.

Yeah, A.

100% I.

Just wanted to just put out there that we're on the same team, we're fighting the same fight, different corners, we're in the same fucking fight.

I love Lars too, man Absolutely.

Oh, no way.

From the King himself when you get a feel.

Played at Daytona, Florida last year or the year before.

No way, the guy.

It was I made AI made AT shirt.

That was, it was actually Ben Royal Blood I made AT shirt.

There's like a wrestling shirt style shirt, you know, like a like a Undertaker shirt or whatever.

But it just said Lars Ulrich and it had pictures of like sick pictures of like nineties, 80s Lars dude, Ben from Royal Blood wore it to a show they were playing with Metallica.

Yeah.

And Lars saw it and was like, what the fuck is that?

And then Ben obviously tells him that it comes from me.

Yeah.

Lars gives him a pair of sticks to give to me.

A very kind person that listens to the podcast made me this cool fucking Metallica stand for them.

And then Lars's wife reaches out to Ben to ask for six of the T-shirts in various sizes.

So I know full fucking well a whole Family Ulrich has one of those T-shirts and somewhere there is a photo of Entire Family Ulrich in my fucking T-shirt and I just need to get it.

That is amazing.

That's way better than my Kirk Hammett story.

What's your Kirk Hammett story?

Well, I went up to him.

I was wearing my favorite jacket at the times.

At the time, it was like a, a beautiful, like brown metallic leather jacket.

I think there's a picture of the two of us together with me wearing it.

And he's like, hey, nice jacket.

And I'm like, ah, thanks man.

Thanks, Kurt Hammond.

And then we just started talking about he was like, oh, I'm like, what are you up to lately?

He's like, oh, I'm learning how to surf.

I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

I'm like, I was, this is a while ago.

Yeah, this is a long time ago.

So he was like, we had just done the Metallica icons thing and he was like, yeah, I'm like getting into reggae.

I'm like, oh damn, dude.

Like I love reggae.

Like I'm raised.

I'm West Indian, so I'm raised on reggae.

And he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, It's like, give me some, give me some people to check out.

So I give him some people to check out.

And then maybe two to three days later, Jacket goes missing.

Wait, what do you mean?

So maybe Lars Ulrich is wearing the shirts you design.

Maybe Kurt Hammett is like.

Two to three you with each other for those two to three days, No.

What do you mean two to three days later?

Like where are you when it goes missing?

No idea, I can't remember where I went.

Missing.

Did it go missing that night?

No, it didn't.

Maybe.

Who knows?

I feel like he could pull in someone to steal that fucking jacket.

That's what I'm saying.

They got all the fucking money in the world.

That's what I'm saying.

Hey, my day-to-day, Yeah, this guy with the jacket, I really want fucking make it happen.

Yeah, there we go.

What song did you do?

An icon.

Oh, so we did like, like fucking pivotal in my teenage.

Years, dude, we did a medley, right?

So again, we we were like, oh, let's do a medley.

Same guy that asked us to do MTV 20th, Jesse Ignadovich asked us to do the the Metallica icons.

So we were like, yeah, yeah.

So we put together this this medley and recorded it in a sound check, send it off to him.

And he was like, this is amazing.

So it got sent to Metallica.

Metallica was like, oh, add Enter Sandman to this.

We're walking out to this sick.

Yeah.

And we were like, oh, fuck.

All right, so.

I love the fact you didn't do any of the Sandman until they asked.

Oh well, it's a great song.

It's a great song, but.

I love that song too.

It's a great song, yeah.

However, yeah, if you're asking me to play Metallica songs, I'm not picking that one.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So we so we, we did.

We did Bells.

They walked out while we played.

Enter Sandman.

And then we cut to the the solo and Master of Puppets.

You got all the heat.

Dude, we, I, we were listening back to our sound check.

They had taped it and played it back just to like go and do levels and stuff like that.

And I'm just sitting there listening.

I'm like, holy shit, like this is like a crazy moment.

And then all of a sudden I hear beside me was like, oh man, I thought that was us until I heard that the solo was played right.

And I was about to fucking launch into this person.

Like, you know what?

Kirk Hammett's a fucking dude.

You don't fucking know.

Look.

And then I'm like, oh, it's James.

I guess he can say things like that.

That's so fucking sad.

I knew it was going to be changed for me.

All he does is dog on the other two.

It was like.

That's so sick.

Super surreal moment.

And you met everyone.

It was wild.

It was wild.

And I will say this, I won't mention the band's name.

You can say in the comments or whatever who you think it was.

Nice algorithm.

Nice.

Yeah, one band had to stop the performance.

I think it was three times and then eventually had to go into the studio, re record it and then have the live performance pieced together by the three times that they.

Is that icons?

It was on icons.

I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing it was corn.

I'll never tell.

And I'll take the bullet, David Silvira, Ira Corn.

I'll put my fucking mortgage on the fact it was corn.

I remember who was, who else was that?

Limp Bizkit was on that.

I can't remember who else it was.

Fucking corn.

Come get me.

Also, please come on the podcast Babysitter has left.

Your band is fine.

Somebody's do the click.

I remember.

Don't.

Don't come get me.

I mean, yeah, I'm not confirming anything.

I love corn now.

They've got a good drummer.

We're going to do a dream festival.

It's a, it's an old segment of the podcast, OK, especially as you're a, you know, a schooled musician.

It's been around the block for ages.

We are going to curate a fantastical festival.

What country is it in?

OK.

So country wise I would probably go.

Your country, you can go city also, it can be completely is a dream you like wake up from the end of this Yeah, it's like it can not happen.

People have picked.

People who are dead, people have picked.

And people from all over the earth are coming to this thing, right?

Yes.

OK, so.

You want to come in.

I would probably go Czech Republic.

Nice.

Yeah, absolutely.

And what's the reason there?

I do love the grounds that rock for people.

I was going to say rock for people.

Absolutely so, but do I have to like pick bands and shit like that?

We'll get into that, don't worry.

All right, all right.

So I would say, I would say check for people.

It's going to be rock for people.

Czech Republic, yeah.

You're going to upgrade those dressing rooms a little bit or what?

Because they kind of.

This is where it gets amazing, right?

OK, so I think that every single band, whether you're on small stage, side stage, whatever, you're playing all right, bathrooms have to be up to stuff.

Every single band gets a shower and a toilet.

Are you, are you saying this from Rockford people?

You're saying this you want?

Oh.

No, I'm saying this is our dream fest.

I was going to say.

Because I was a rock.

Rock for people last year.

Yeah, yeah.

So no, I didn't get that.

Nobody, nobody gets just a tent.

Everybody gets something.

Nice.

Where if it's raining, If it's super hot, you can go in and be OK.

Bands get taken care of.

So why do you like the grounds a lot for people so much?

Just because of how open it is, the proximity of the stages that kind of.

Cool, cool hill.

Like you can kind of see and when you're sound checking, you can kind of hear what's going on over there and you see the masses of people coming to your stage.

Exactly.

But if we could grow that to be.

Yeah, now you're cooking.

Where it has like the the unknown?

What's around the corner of like, Ziggit Fest?

OK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because there was times where like I, I was walking around Ziggit Fest at night and I saw a UFO where somebody, I don't know what happened with the UFO during the day, but just down the road from that and left you go down a hill and there's a whole LSD section of the festival where people are just tripping out and listening to music and it's just like.

Did you go there before you saw a UFO?

Yes, excellent.

OK, so let's we'll take rock for people grounds and then we'll make it like maybe a bigger hill at the in the middle.

Yeah, and more different shit around.

More yeah, more around the corner weirdness so.

Give it like a Harry Potter vibe.

Let's go.

I'm just talking magic.

Yes.

In a minute.

I said it.

I was like, that's like fucking London, Yeah.

That's true, yeah.

I mean, let's go and let's give it just a Teletubbies vibe, Hunter S Thompson vibe.

LSD.

Yeah, where it's just like everything around the corner is like I, there's no way I would have expected.

I've got mushrooms, yeah.

Yeah, we should have taken mushrooms at the start and really got to this.

No whiskey pre show but mushrooms I can't.

I can't see anything going wrong.

Ruins it.

OK, next my favorite question.

OK, what is?

And again, it's a dream.

What is catering?

What do you fucking want for food?

I think that everybody gets the custom order, so pre arrival at the festival every single band is like this is what we want.

OK, So what is yours?

Oh man, of course pre show it's going to be some sort of lean meat, vegetable, carb something right?

They can pipe.

There's a dream, by the way.

They can pipe in your favorite fast food or restaurant or any of this shit or catering.

Well that would be after the show, especially if it's a day off.

I'll get them to fly my dad in and with a Karachi and a propane element and cook either goat or beef Curry.

And goat Curry, yeah.

We'll get my mom to make the roti on the side like the clap paratha.

I'm coming.

Yeah, man, that's like fucking shit.

Scotland, Glasgow in particular, pretty fucking good for that shit.

This is what I've heard.

Pretty fucking yeah.

So good West Indian food out here.

Yeah, I wonder if you can get a runner to get you some shit.

Oh, no, I mean, we, we got we got a show tomorrow too.

So yeah, I can't be.

Can't be eating Yeah more.

It counteracts the lotion.

And then I start looking, you know, I start look at my age, Yeah.

You'd think it would do the opposite.

That was in the.

Bloodline.

It's like it should be giving him more powers.

You'd think that, wouldn't you?

But no, no, no.

God damn, but I'm happy that they're here.

They're catering the festival.

Next up, we want to talk about what's your accommodation now you And again, it's a dream, but like, you got a hotel, you got AU.

Like some people are like, I love camping.

I'm like, shut the fuck up, you're an idiot.

Yo, dude.

Which I mean, to be honest, yeah, I hate camping.

I was going to say I kind of like, you know, fuck that shit.

Just waking up all try and like.

So your dream festival, you play the show?

What?

Where's your dream accommodation about hotel?

Back to a hotel in Prague.

Oh, back to Prague.

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah, Yeah.

Where the clock tower is.

Maybe one of those ones?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe on the Riverside, yeah.

Pop out.

No, you know, you know exactly the shit I mean, fuck yeah, exactly the weird shit.

I mean.

Well travelled, gentlemen.

OK, headliners.

Oh fuck.

And this is where you give me.

Basically, you have 3 fucking favorite bands of all time.

That's the bit I'm doing here.

Man, I would have to say showmanship wise it would have to be.

Dead or alive, by the way.

Well, some are going to be dead for sure.

Like, cool, cool.

They're dead.

That's awesome.

The Whalers backing like pretty much all my favorite reggae artists.

You.

You bringing the big man back?

Yeah, so he would he would be back, but he would have to relinquish the mic to like Toots, you know, like.

You're gonna make the you're gonna bring the big man back.

But he's but he's doing songs or what We're talking about Bob Marley, by the way.

Yeah, so he's gonna be doing songs with The Wailers, right.

And then, you know, Toots will come up do songs with The Wailers.

You know, Isaacs will come up and do songs with The Wailers.

Maybe the the support band is the Roots Braddocks from the John Joe Laws era of reggae.

Nice.

And have a bunch of people like, you know, like Barrington Levy come up.

You've got real reggae shit.

Oh fuck dude, we.

I'm telling you, like I grew up with DJs and car guys, so it was just reggae was it was in the blood.

It's so funny that Toots came up post mushroom talk.

My worst mushroom chip ever.

Yeah, that changed my fucking life.

I've never been the same again.

I've never, I'm, I've never done mushrooms again.

I'm in my fucking raw.

I've never taken a heroic dose of mushrooms again.

I had a chip that went so fucking wrong and my friends played Toots in the Maytags to try to chill me out and it was just like a cacophony of it was the weirdest thing ever.

But.

Specifically, it was Toots in the my tails and I have no idea why, and I hadn't even think I've thought about that since.

And then you bring it bring toots up in the dream festival.

That's so weird.

I it'd be it'd be great to see him play.

Yeah, but I mean non.

Mushrooms.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, for that, at that point, I'd probably just get my, my dad to, you know, kind of make you go over here and get some, you know, distracting myself.

It'll distract you with a little bit of goat Curry.

That would be alright.

I'll be good for that.

Yeah.

OK.

Well, there gonna be nothing heavy here.

We got.

We got.

Well, I mean, you know, we.

Do more.

We can do.

We can do heavy if you want.

I would say I would say anthrax.

As you all doing festival don't you can do the whole thing right?

But you've given me one artist with Co artist.

I need 2.

I need two more.

Yeah, so I mean 3.

Day then.

The support, yeah, the support would definitely be the the roots radix with all the the 90s people and and late 80s during the Junjo laws.

OK, let's do this.

That's day one, Day 2.

Oh, OK, OK.

We would have.

Of course, Metallica's got to be there.

Thank.

God.

Anthrax big.

Four.

Maybe.

Yeah, maybe a big.

4.

You've already said the worst one out in the big Four, so you're an anthrax guy.

I I love anthrax.

I don't give a fuck, I tried so hard, no.

No, no.

So for me it was it was a cousin that like my gateway into thrash was Anthrax.

And then, you know, later on in life I was really late to New York hardcore.

So later on in life I was like, holy shit, I've missed an entire genre that is basically like the the amazing parts of Anthrax that I love but with a completely different thing which.

Is my ass being.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I mean, I'll probably do that, probably do agnostic, bring no effects back.

And Novak's done though.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, Dude, I was at the last show.

Jesus.

Yeah.

So have you seen any of this footage?

No.

OK, so I.

Saw him maybe two years ago at a festival.

Might have even been wrong for people.

Actually, I'm not.

Oh.

That's not kidding.

There we go.

There we go.

So they played their last show in San Pedro not too long ago and it was three nights.

I we finished up in Vegas and I was like, I had tours at the Punk Rock Museum and then I got this call being like, hey, do you want to come and play guitar in San Pedro for the decline at the end, it's going to be you and for.

All of the decline.

Just the end.

I was going to say, yeah, so it was 20 minutes long.

Yeah, I know, right?

And it was 40 different guitar players plus me.

So I'm like, yeah, of course.

So I call them like, listen, is the last tour selling very well?

And they're like, no, it's not.

So did I mention I was doing tours at the Punk Rock Museum?

No.

OK, so sorry so.

I mean, you did just say it then, but we didn't talk about it.

OK, so yeah, so I did.

I did tours at the punk rock means.

Wait, you were doing the tours?

Yeah, so after the after the Vegas show, I wake up and I've got to go to a tour, but I've but I've also been invited to go play at the no FX thing.

So I.

Oh, so you meant those tours?

Yeah, those tours, Yeah.

Yeah.

So I was like, no, FX's last tour was probably selling well.

I have to.

End up cancelling that last tour because one, it's not selling well and two, there's no way I'll make it to the show after being invited.

So I finished that tour.

Somebody that's on the tour is like, you know, you're never going to make it to the to the airport.

If you take an Uber, I'll drive you.

So I'm driving with this guy and he's super kind and takes me to the airport, tells me about Vegas and gives me advice on chip stocks.

All right, So, yeah, so like.

Very Vegas.

I get to the the airport, fly in land, get there.

A buddy of mine, he brought me right up on stage right next to the thing and Rugly.

The he's also goes by Captain Chocolate paws on Instagram.

He's like, I got this guitar for you.

I'm like, what is it?

He's like, oh, it's BB King's backup guitar.

And he hands it to me and I'm almost like, I don't, I can't touch that.

There's no way.

But I pick it up and it feels magical.

And he's like, OK, we got it for you.

So the time comes, we all strap in.

I'm like surrounded by some of my favorite.

Like MXPX is right there.

Both Shifflett brothers are right there, you know, like Mr.

Brett from Bad Religions right there.

Jared from Bowling For Soup is right behind me.

So it's like friends and heroes.

I'm just surrounded by them and we get out, we all get in, we plug in.

I look over, here's, you know, 2 dudes from Rise Against and I'm like, this is fucking rad.

And then all of a sudden I just look over and I see Fletcher and I'm like, oh man, did nobody give like Fletcher a guitar?

So I think he was thinking the same thing because he started going up to people and being like and kind of grabbing the guitar and kind of feeling it out, right?

And some people were like no, no, no, no, no, no.

Like I'm playing this guitar and he's like, OK, OK, OK, so we go, go.

And I don't know when it switched, but eventually he started going up to bass players and he was like, give me that.

And they're like, no.

And he's like, all I see is him mouth the words.

It's a sacrifice.

And then he just started taking basses and smashing them at the front of the stage.

So I'm seeing this with my guitar and I'm like, Oh my God, I have BB King's back on guitar.

I'm like, and I fucking, I love Fletcher, right?

So if I see him, we're we're going to say hello, we're going to hug.

He walks up right behind me, grabs Jay from Bad Religion's bass, goes and smashes it.

And by this time, everything ends and I'm still on stage with the guitar, and I'm kind of like looking out and everybody's like, everybody get off stage.

Fletcher's like, have you ever seen The Wire?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like Omar's coming.

Omar's.

Coming right.

So I end up having this guitar and I see Fletcher over by by Rugly Station and I'm like, oh fuck, I got to get this guitar by Fletcher.

So there's video footage of me just like eyes just beaming open like this, just like trying to just sitting behind a crate.

Yeah.

And yeah, got it, got it back.

And then I I am proud to say that I protected a Blues legacy that night.

Fuck yeah.

Do you know how many guitars got destroyed?

I think about three I think he got.

It's a sacrifice.

He's really funny, but.

Dude, it's just, I, I could see it in his, in his, in his lips.

It was just like, it's a sacrifice.

Was that so?

Fucking fair enough, Fair enough, flat for then.

This is why I do the thing, because we get a cool story out of it and then we got to do fucking day three.

No one cares.

We got the good fucking story.

Give me another band you really like.

Oh fuck, you know what?

Next day it would have to be.

It would have to have to be Parliament.

The meters we.

Got some fucking grooves happening.

Yeah, let's go with absolutely.

There's even better, man.

There's even better.

Like Cabbage Alley is a great record.

I never went deeper.

I know, Sissy strut and that's it.

Get in there, get in there.

It's it's a they're great man, especially the the drummer.

Yeah, yeah.

And Leo's one of my favorite guitar players too, so.

Ziggaboo model list.

Yes, Sir.

Yes, Sir.

No more fucking shit.

Fucking shit.

I can play that groove.

That was, that's why Sissy Shrut is like I heard it on the fucking radio or something.

Like the fuck is that?

I need to learn that immediately.

And then I like did a deep dive on him, but I didn't really do a deep dive on the band.

Yeah, dude.

Also, clutch, let's put clutch in there too.

Do you notice how it's like with the bands?

I'm having a tough time, but when it comes to like bathrooms and catering, I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just nailed.

No, I get it, because you've got an eclectic thing.

Do you want to know another thing?

Never got into Clutch.

Oh no way.

Like I know fucking JP is a fucking amazing drummer and all this and every time I listen to it it just doesn't click with me.

That's OK.

But no.

But everyone keeps telling me like, you're going to love it.

And I'm like, I don't, I don't smoke weed anymore.

That's the problem.

That's the fucking problem with it.

That's OK.

I was, I was just playing Prophets of Doom today in in my room and you know, I'm getting like noise complaints from Cone because I somebody at Marshall gave me an amp.

So I get to play that backstage.

We're like we're in our own rooms for this tour, which is arenas.

I've never seen this in my entire life.

I get sick, dinner brought to me.

It's insane.

It's fucking cool.

It's insane.

Going out with the bang, Yeah.

Speaking of going out with the bang, I think we're about done on the podcast, but I want to know it's your last time in the UK.

Yeah, for now, is there one thing that you will miss about the UK?

Well, first and foremost the the UK crowds are different than anything else.

Loud present.

Obnoxious.

Yeah, but it's charming, dude.

It is wankers.

You know what though, dude, I come from, like I said, I come from a West Indian background, so I love that shit.

I totally, I totally dig it.

I'm into it so.

Yeah.

How are you and the crowds?

And I would have to say how good the food has gotten over the past 25 years.

It's it's got bad.

It's still American.

I like, I'm moving to the States and I'm stoked because of the food.

But like, American touring bands used to hate it so much, and now it's like it's tolerable.

It's still not like touring the States.

I I, I kind, I kind of dig it too, because again, UK great, great Jamaican food, great Indian food, so.

Hell yeah.

Hey, thanks for coming on.

This was fucking wonderful.

Yeah, dude, it was great to meet you.

Let's be.

Fucking pals.

I never played drums on a song.

You're doing all this shit.

I've got a studio.

I've got a rig.

Like I said, I've got I have riffs for fucking it's it looks like years.

I'm.

Fucking in.

That's it.

All right, sounds good.

Thank you mate, my man.