Sad 1 today guys.

Very sad one.

This is the last episode of the podcast in this studio.

I have moved, if you're watching this, I have moved to Nashville, TN.

Why was it a manic episode?

I don't really know.

A bunch of reasons.

One of the massive reasons being the podcast.

So by now I'm already building a new studio.

I'm figuring out hopefully, hopefully I'm not deceased from the stress.

And this week's guest, Travis Renier, is a fitting last guest for the studio.

He is a drummer.

He plays for spite.

I caught him filling in for Silosis.

He's big on Instagram.

Incredible metal drummer.

But also when I met him at Nam, he is probably the biggest downbeat podcast fan of all time.

And he knew stuff from early episodes that I didn't even know about.

And it was really cool.

And his career has got to a point where I'm, you know, I'm not big enough the podcast, but you know, it's quite big.

He's, you know, I'd love, regardless of his history with the podcast, I'd love to have him on the podcast.

So it's a really nice way to round off, I guess, season 2 of the podcast with a fan that has become a guest.

We talk about loads of stuff.

We talk about everything I just mentioned.

He's a really funny guy, really great drummer.

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It's Travis Renier on the downbeat podcast.

I'm there was just about come in with your second name is if I knew it but I forgot it immediately.

Renier.

Renier Yeah, such a regal name.

Why do you go by the name Drummer?

Because marketing wise, if somebody wants to look me up branding wise, Travis drummer, you ever like been like, oh, what's that fucking guy's name?

And you got to look up his last name.

It's like.

Yeah, but then when you have to look up your real name, I don't know your fucking real name.

I'm not remembering that.

How's that spelled?

R e.g.

NIER.

R e.g.

N what?

Ier.

Yeah, it's nice though.

Also people see it and they pronounce like Ragnier.

Ragnier That's what I'd say.

Reindeer.

Reindeer.

And you could be Rainlord.

Rainlord too.

Rainlord, Welcome to the downbeat.

Fucking finally.

You've got the the fan to fan to guess pipeline.

This is fucking trippy to say the least.

Thanks.

I was thinking about this the other day.

There was a so like, I've, I've watched this podcast since the first episode, the J episode, Not, not Rudy, that real fan shit.

2018.

I remember.

Yeah.

There's like a family flying around the room and you're like in the middle of the podcast.

Stop the Fly.

Yeah.

I've listened to this shit since then.

And the Rudy episode was the episode that made me want to put videos in the Internet.

So that's how that that's how all of this started for me, really.

So that's so cool.

And then at a certain point, you followed me back some point and I was like, OK, maybe I could do this one day because you're doing like, remote audio shit.

Yeah.

And then when you switch to the video, I don't remember what episode it was, but you had somebody like big.

And I was like, oh, this is this is way outside of my, my like reach now.

So to actually be here finally is fucking crazy.

We made it fucking work, bro.

We did.

I think what was the first the first video is funny because if you're watching this, but this is actually the last episode in this space.

Yeah, So it's quite a quite a nice little.

I don't think anyone other than Spirit Box who like already listened to the podcast.

I don't anyone's been like you are like an actual fan of the podcast.

Yeah, when we were at Nam, I kept asking you shit and you're like, you know more about this shit than.

That yeah, you were asking me like mad questions from like five years ago.

I was like.

Fuck, dude, that, that like fucking feels crazy that some of that shit was five years ago now.

I mean, I'm sure for you too.

It's got to be crazy.

Yeah, like I got YouTube comment yesterday.

I've been thinking about it all day.

Someone was like, bro, are you OK If you need to see a doctor, your face is sunken in.

I saw it on your and I was like, I'm just getting old in front of you.

That's it.

That's all that's happening.

I've lost a bit of weight and I'm getting old.

Unfortunately, you are going to have to watch me wither.

Aren't people on the Internet fucking great?

The best.

I do like that you also clap back though.

Have you seen on my Instagram, I have like on my highlights on the page, I have one called biggest fans.

And so it's it's it's immortalized.

Oh.

Yeah, I should have done that.

Yeah.

So do not get reported.

I get reported all the time.

It must be just one person that just goes.

Bullying.

Yeah, I mean.

Bullying I.

Don't know, I haven't really like been like too actively online since I started touring, so at least not the way I was so and the shit that I was getting like negative comments for was like, you know, blast piece over Mariah Carey or whatever.

So it's like old heads as we're now.

It's just like live drum cams and like those fucking guys don't see that shit, you know?

I'd like to see them without triggers.

Do you get that one?

Oh yeah, yeah, I the one I get the most or got a lot was that I was speeding up my footage because of like how it looked.

But it's because I film in 60 FPS like the way symbols look when you film in a high frame rate.

It does.

I'll admit it does look speed up.

But also, if you weren't doing that, they'd be like, they'd be like me going on that snare drum.

There's no, there's no snare drum getting hit there.

So yeah, because it's 30 frames a second and the song's 280 BPM.

Yeah.

Do some maths.

I'm not doing fucking math, dude.

Did Canadians say math or maths?

Maths.

I'm going to be AUS guy soon.

Yeah, but some people are watching this.

You're.

Going to be proper US guy I'm.

Going to be.

Dude, you're in the fucking.

You're in the South.

Hell yeah.

Brother, dude, you in Nashville is going to be crazy.

I wanted to write for the bit.

I wanted to day one get a Dodge Charger and a gun and on day and on day one just do a vlog and just like just like do a new character and just continue that character on and see what happens just for a bit.

But 01 visa, you can't get a gun and you can't rent a car.

You can't finance a car.

Oh, so I'm starting from scratch.

So did you have to get a new visa for that?

My visa was up for renew renewal in July, the Stray 1, so I only have Stray work until July anyway because we're touring and all of that stuff.

So I've applied for a new visa which is like content creator thing.

That seems like a nightmare to get.

I mean, all Americans don't be knowing anything about how hard it is to get into their country.

Hey, it's.

Fucking insane.

Dude, it's fucked.

Well, you want.

AP1 or not P.

One, and right now the wait time is it's normally 90 days, at least for me and right now it's 180 days.

And so like spite is recording in the new year and my I realized my visa expired right before that but I feel like I just got it like the way I do my P1 or sorry I'm on P2 not P1.

I don't know the difference.

I don't remember the difference, but usually AP 2 is only good for like the length of a tour.

But because Spite's an American, because Spite's an American band, we can set up an itinerary for the whole year, and you can do a maximum of a.

Year.

So that's what I used to do.

Yeah, So that's what I'm doing now.

Yeah.

You're you're.

Why don't they give you an O one?

Well.

We keep meaning to, but we we got to get there first, you know, we're constantly doing shit.

We didn't know 1-3 years ago with me.

And to be honest, the like it is harder to get because you need to be like on the application shares like which Grammy have you won and all this shit.

But if you have enough online shit now you can get it.

But it lasts for three years and you renew it, it's another three years.

This I'm hoping will be my last P2 for them.

They're always sick as well because when you get to the border, they go like, you know, the P There's like those questions.

They'll be like.

Sometimes.

What are you doing this time?

Blah, blah, blah.

All this stuff and 01 they go.

Literally last time I went to America, the 01, the border security guard, they went 001 and I went, yeah.

Anyway, you must be real good.

Bumped.

That was it.

Fuck yeah.

You don't even know what I do.

The thing that drives me the most insane about the P2 is that half of the time they don't even open the envelope and I get to the border, show them where I'm going.

Like, do you have a visa?

And I go Yep.

And I pop down the envelope that I got in the mail with my visa and the top's torn off.

And see it poking out.

And they just go OK, and I'm like, all that for.

So expensive.

It's not too bad for AP2.

It's I mean it doesn't come out of my pocket, but like it's like I want to say about 1000 bucks USD said and done.

But if you need the rush fee, which we had to do once.

3 grand.

Yeah, it's like 3500 extra.

Yeah, I just had to do that.

OK.

So the O1 is the O 1 is basically it is more expensive, but it's the way that's.

Yeah, when you need a lawyer and shit too, I think, don't you?

Oh.

You don't need a lawyer.

No, I just, I literally do it myself.

What?

You do it yourself.

Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I need some shit from the band.

I need a couple signatures, but fuck that it it's pretty simple.

And what I was getting at, though, when I started talking about this visa shit was because spice recording the new year and the wait times way longer than normal right now.

It was like like I just got off to her like a week before this started and I had no time to practice on that tour.

So I ended up doing like 810 hours a day in my jam space just working on the silos this shit.

And I like two or three days before I left.

I was like doing the math and I was like fuck, I need to file a visa like right now or else I'm not recording this fucking album.

So because if I wait till I get home, it'll be it'll be too late by the time it gets approved.

So I had to throw visa together and I put it in the fucking mail like hours before my flight.

You fucked up by doing that yourself because they're never going to pay for you to get another one now because they're going to go.

You'll just do it.

I mean they had to pay the rush fee once and it's a pain in the fucking ass and.

Just checking, I worry about you.

I hired gun.

I worry about you for now.

What are you going to?

Do what do you mean?

Are they going to you going to join something?

We got some, we got some conversations happening.

Good for you, Yeah.

What's your day rate?

What's my day rate on the record?

I don't think I can say that.

No, I know, I know.

It's sometimes I'll say.

Something and people would just tell me I'm like, I'm sick.

I mean, I'll tell you off the record, but when I first started with them, I had the first tour I did was Spike was my third tour ever.

And like my first two tours with my other band, Carcosa, which were like, you know, low, lower tier band tours or whatever.

And so like I, I couldn't ask for like an insane rate because I'm so I'm still still green to a way or to a degree.

Like, you know, I learn shit every time I'm on tour, but like at the end of the day, it's I'm still learning and I'm not going to charge like a premium rate even though I know I can RIP.

It's also like yet, you know, it's like my first couple practices with them, you know, like as prepared as I thought I was, I still found out the hard way that I wasn't as prepared as I need to be.

And you know, it's like you can't show up with a premium rate with that type of shit, so.

I mean, people fucking do.

They do, and that's why they don't get hired again.

And.

Wow dude, that guy's gone off.

Wait, I've got a third one.

Boom.

Three, yeah.

If we're beeping those out, I can.

I can attest to the fact that I heavily don't fuck with two of them.

And the first one you said one time just unprompted years ago, this is.

So amazing.

I love.

The you ready for this?

Yes, hit me.

You sent me Adm just replying to one of my videos and was like, you're not going to be able to walk if you keep playing like that in 10 years.

And I was like, oh, that's I was in the shower and my phone.

I used to like listen to music in the shower.

He was looking at you in the shower going.

You ain't going to be able to walk when I was finished with you.

That's right.

No, he yeah, he, he sent me Adm and he was like, yeah, no, your your technique's fucked.

And I was like, shit, that's crazy.

Like do you have any tech, like any tips to help me prevent that?

And he's like, not anything I could I not enough that I could explain in the DMS, but if you ever want to do a private lesson and I was like, OK.

And I was like, there, there it is.

And you said I'm good, bro.

I did.

I left him on red.

Fuck yeah.

I love leaving huge people on red.

I've got like a list of people that I've left on red.

Funny thing about the person that we're talking about, I heard from someone else the reason he does that unsolicited DM thing is so that that person gets a lesson and that person is impressive and then he adds that person to his I taught this person so he can look like he taught you the speed.

Maybe at the time though, like I wasn't anybody like this is like years.

This is years before my Instagram blew up.

I probably didn't even have 10K.

How did it get to him then?

I used to be really tapped into like the algorithm shit and how to like work it.

And so I would specifically make videos that I knew would end up on the fucking like probably end up on the explorer page.

It was it was a it was a video.

So the the particular one that he replied to that every time I posted it would get more likes than followers it.

Was a hot golf go with fishnet.

Yeah, no, exactly.

Yeah, I, I, I did your whole Antifa bit.

That's my, that's my whole explorer.

Yeah, no, I it was, it was like a Stan Bicknell like heel toe.

Like I take the floor Tom out and like put my phone there.

That's the guy I was just talking about.

I can like, you know, yeah, and do all that shit.

And so every time I posted that, I'd never use it for anything, but like, I can do it.

And I know it's one of those party tricks that like brings in the views.

So I used to post a lot of videos of that and that was the one that that he replied to so.

That's funny, because he is that Stan Bicknell is actually the person I was talking about.

The same.

The same thing.

Yeah.

He hates those videos.

Anyway, These people don't know who we're talking about.

You can guess who we're talking about.

It's Tim.

Yes.

Oh, what you gonna do?

I've heard he's very angry.

Probably it's funny because I.

Have a fight.

I've got such a fight in me at the moment, Yeah, I don't want to have a fucking fight.

We could fight.

Do Celebrity Deathmatch.

I don't get anything out here I want like a Tim Lambesis.

I'll not bump into Tim Lambesis and just go oh you're A and then oh Buck Simon, cut out the C word, please.

That's right, you can't say that anymore.

Is that the only one to get?

Demonetised.

Can I say and we bleep it out.

So like because the the press, the press from that fight be amazing.

That would be a good one, Jake Paul versus.

Absolute ass kicked, but maybe it'd be good.

He's big.

Yeah.

What are we talking about?

All right, there we go.

So there's.

Anything have you?

Given up on trying to gain the algorithm or what?

Which, yeah, I have.

I want to do content.

I was just talking to Josh about this last night.

I grew up like I'm born in 98, so when I was 10 years old, 2008.

When's your birthday?

January 15th.

Capricorn.

Yeah.

Interesting.

27 soon carry on.

I was born in 98 so when I was like 10 years old 2008 YouTube starting to pop like the first ever like wave of YouTube drummers like when YouTube before Google bought it and it was like this whole.

Fucking 2000 and seven 2000.

And seven, 2008 like around there when when it was like actually just good shit.

And it was, there was no filler.

It was just people like, what do we do with this?

And so I grew up obsessed with being on the laptop in the house and just like drum forums, YouTube videos.

How Dramas Forum.

Oh yeah, just like all that shit.

And I fucking loved being online and watching drum videos.

So ever since I was a kid I've always wanted to do that.

I remember when Luke Holland first popped and all that shit.

And initially I wanted to be like AI, wanted to do like YouTube drum covers and be like all those guys.

But I mean at at this point like I have 0 interest in doing that shit because.

Does I make any money?

I hate learning songs unless I'm getting paid 100.

Percent exactly the same.

And yeah, it doesn't make money, it's just it's the whole thing and and I also like don't play songs no for no.

So I do really still want to do content and the 1st up until recently, probably up until my last couple tours, I tried really hard to like do content on tour and I just never was able to like get it to where I wanted to.

But I think that I, I just realized that like I'm still learning how to tour.

I'm still I've been touring realistically, other than one other tour that I did the beginning of that year, I've only been touring for about 14 months, realistically.

Really.

Yeah, my because that spite tour I did last year, which is just over a year ago now, was my third tour ever.

And I went into that the day after, like the next day I after I finished a Carcosa tour and then I went that was a triple tour because Spike had another tour immediately after that August when it's read in the States that I did.

So I've like given myself the like the past to be like, OK, you know what?

Just learn how to tour, enjoy the shows and worry about that later.

So I'm like the odd time I'll set up my phone and like do like a little drum Cam.

But like I tried flogging and I was like, I don't really like this.

I just, I don't know, I have probably like 3 or 4 terabytes of footage, whether it be like vlogging, shit behind the scenes, shit drum cams, who fucking knows.

Like I've tried to do the thing where I set up my GoPro or my phone and then I get the stems from the fucking like our front of house.

But like the whole time I've done content from home.

Like when things started working for me online, it's when I figured out that if I just sacrifice the the quality that I have in my head, that's like probably unattainable for what I'm doing at the at that moment.

It was if I just streamline it because I'm so fucking ADHD.

But if I don't like immediately finish it, Yep I'm not ever going to post it and like.

Fucking around with editing.

Exactly.

So, you know, like God, it's.

Syncing up the video and the audio we're insane.

Getting it, getting the fucking like tracks from front of house and mixing it, fucking lining up the video.

If you film it on an iPhone, it's got like a weird frame rate and it actually doesn't line up with the fucking audio.

It's a nightmare.

And so that like my whole rig for like making videos on Instagram for the longest time was.

It's just my momma's iPhone 6 because I was ashamed to admit a diehard Android guy at the time.

So that's a whole other thing.

That's a whole other thing, but my momma's iPhone 6 and a Roland Go mixer that plugged in like a little phone interface and then I just ran the EAD into that and so I.

Used to stream.

And then I didn't have to do anything because, yeah, literally, like you fucking press record on the phone and the fucking drum audio would just sync up to the video automatically in your fucking Apple filming app or whatever.

And all I had to do was like, cut it down to like, I would film for like 20 minutes.

I'd just improv.

I'd just fuck around.

And then, you know, like film for 30 minutes.

And then I'd like, there's a week's worth of videos.

And now having to be like put in like 5 hours for a 2 minute Instagram videos like that.

So I'm either waiting till I can figure out an easier way to do it similar to how I did it back then but live, or I can just like hire somebody just do it for me.

Yeah, I mean, what I do now is exactly what you're mentioning, which I started on the EAD, but I've made it a stupid rig.

But it is just I press record.

It's not even that I'm on stream.

I'll do the whole stream live 2 hours and then at the end I download the stream and then it's like, well, I'll just cut this out of there and it has the double effect of like I've done all the work I'm I don't have to work anymore.

The drums was the work, the maybe I'll cut the video out or whatever.

But then also you can't edit because it's baked in.

So you just have to be good.

And if you weren't good, you have to practice to be good.

I don't even even then I can't be fucked to edit my shit like no.

That's what I mean.

I just, yeah, I just might do it.

I just, I'll rather do like if, if I'm at home filming a video when I, it's been a while, but when I do film shit at home, I'll just spend the extra time to get the take I want rather than go in and fucking.

That's partially like a pride thing.

And also it's just like I, I don't know how to, I barely know what I'm doing when I touch a doll.

So yeah.

I can't remember the last time I recorded more than left and right.

I mean, that's it.

At home I do have like a full a full rig, which it part of the reason I haven't really filmed like anything content wise at home for a long time is like when I get home from tour.

My jam space has progressively gotten more and more fucked because I've toured so much over the last year and a bit that like I haven't had enough time to like reset, tear it apart and clean everything up.

And like my mic cables are fucking everywhere.

I forgot how to use Reaper.

Like I don't know what is what.

I don't even know where half my mics are.

Like the goal eventually is to have enough shit like enough gear that that kit doesn't and I don't have to take anything off of it.

So when I get home.

I had but I'm about to move.

Yeah, well, you're about to move continent.

I know it's so dumb.

I don't know what fucking doing every day I spend 3 hours going.

Is this the biggest mistake I'm ever going to make?

I think it'd be spent three hours going Nah, this is.

It as far as this shit goes, among many other benefits of living in the US other than maybe getting shot.

Quite up for that though, yeah.

Seems.

Like a quick way to go.

Come on dude, depends how it goes.

Even then, like if you survive.

What if you get shot in the hand?

Then you go, I've got shot in the hand.

What?

If you get shot in the way right-handed then you can't even fucking wank it.

Definitely put it off on the left, yeah.

I've got.

A girlfriend.

A little girlfriend.

All right.

And when you got a girlfriend?

Yeah, I'm wanking.

Have you got a girlfriend?

I am.

I mean, on tour maybe.

Yeah.

You're still you're still cracking.

I mean, I'm young and spry dude, I guess I'm 26.

Dudes fucking load it up.

Save it up.

This is gross.

This is gross.

I knew.

That this podcast was going to be fucked.

What were we even talking about living in the States?

Online content and then we moved to living in the States.

Yeah, for dude, like being in Nashville for this shit's going to be crazy.

Crazy.

Yeah.

So you're the cool thing is like I posted for the first time on my story, like blah, blah, blah, moving to national or whatever, and the amount of people that hit me up and was like, oh, where?

And I told them where and they were like, oh, we're neighbors.

I'm like 4 minutes away from you.

That's like so many people.

How far are you from like downtown?

I mean, east, so not far, yeah.

I think it's like a fucking 10 minute drive or something.

Word.

Well, the next time I come out there to film videos, we'll have to meet.

Up.

Yeah, we'll meet up at the fucking factory.

Except it's not a factory because it's a franchise.

Sorry, who are you talking about, Craig?

I'm talking about a symbol company.

The symbol company I started playing because you were playing them.

I mean, good for the everyone involved except me.

Yeah, I was just going to say about your like being funny online.

You won't.

You want to be careful with that.

I I try to.

Simon laugh.

That's how you know something good.

Simon fucking laughed.

I try to keep it somewhat civil because I as as much as I'd love to be as unhinged as you are, I'm still like, I don't make enough money to, to do that where I'm just like, or I lost a gig or I lost a sponsor and I'm like, whatever, you know, I'm like, maybe one day, but.

Didn't lose a sponsor by the.

Way.

No, but I'm talking about just on my end.

I like Chris.

Me and Chris squashed the beef.

He's the best Rep in the fucking world.

Incorrect, but I like him.

I like, I like him.

There's no like there's no anything bad blood.

Yeah, that's totally fair.

I mean, and I've heard that from him.

Yeah, the.

The the bad blood is sprechenzie Deutsche regardless.

Of who it is the fact that as drummers we can be like, hey, I just broke all this shit and I need all of it replaced plus a couple extra things in six days and then get home from that tour and do the same thing.

And every time I come home there's just a fucking box of symbols at my doors and.

What I will say is when I was in the States often I wasn't treated like that.

And it did get annoying interesting.

Like I had to replace certain symbols and I would get them replaced with like I replace like a 20 inch Byzant's crash and it would be like a Classics custom crash.

And I'm like, not the same symbol, guys.

It's not.

It's not great.

Personally.

Maybe it's a stock issue, I don't know.

Look at me, I mean.

That does that does happen.

I've had it the other way where I have like a like classes custom crash and they're like, oh, we don't have that.

What do you want instead?

I'm like a Byzant, no problem.

I think right And I will say this and I, you know, I did leave in a big, big unprofessional manner and I.

So I've heard.

Kind of kind of love that about me anyway.

I just love doing shit like that.

But I will say this, I think, and this is not me blowing smoke up my own ass rare, I think since I left because I, I literally smoked everyone when I left.

I mean, this person's not doing this.

This person's not doing this.

This person's done this.

You are literally on the on the on the oom, you need to do this, blah, blah, blah, blah.

By the way, I'm leaving, I'm joining Zildjian because I just fucking.

But I think since I've done that, from speaking to other people, everyone's getting treated better.

Maybe, yeah, that.

Maybe that's it.

I don't know.

Either way, I've never had any issues and there's never been a moment where I've been like, I need to look for something else, you know?

Why that is though?

Because you are doing you are now in the Goldilocks one.

There's not many people in the Goldilocks one which are pumping out shit loads of online content, which sells symbols and playing shows, which doesn't sell symbols but makes the brand look cool and like it's a real thing.

Yeah, because Minor I Minor and Zildjian took things very differently Before, where Zildjian, I feel kind of didn't have enough online content from people.

And then Minor had too much because everyone was like, oh, another influencer playing Minor.

And then now everyone's like finding the middle ground, which is cool.

I I think regardless of like who, whoever it is and like whatever their symbol, brand of choices, whatever Minos done in the last like 10 years has completely changed the drum industry like the way that other companies approach it.

Because I think they were like the first company to really give online drummers a chance.

Like Luke Holland was like, like nobody else, none of the other big companies.

As a business, because it's funny, like I guess some people must have thought, oh, online drummings not going to sell symbols, but when you think of it, it really fucking is.

It's going to sell the most amount of.

Symbols, I mean, the way that I've always looked at it now, I mean whatever your opinion, whatever anybody's opinion is about online drummers, you know, like those drummers that sit in their basements and they do no, but they do like covers and like they don't even have the actual audio of they're literally just like playing to the track, but they get a million views.

You know, there's a bunch of those out there and it's like regardless of if you're sick or not, it's like the people watching your videos are more likely to be drummers then you know, like the percentage of them that that would be drummers versus percentage of people in the crowd at like 1500 thousand cap show didn't matter.

It could be a billion people, but it's like the actual like specific percentage of people in the crowd that are drummers that are going to be like, what symbol is he playing?

And then actually go buy one online versus like at a show.

It's it's not even comparable.

Same with like music magazine or even like if you had ATV ad.

However, you definitely still need to have people playing the symbols live or else everyone's just going to go everyone like he's just playing this brand.

100%.

Side side pivot.

Speaking of Canada, when was the last time you thought I could drum influencer playing savior other than Troy Wright?

Influencer.

Or like a draw like a someone that does loads and loads of content.

There's not a ton.

Isn't it interesting if I they're not bad symbols?

The logo fucking.

The new logo is.

Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

To be honest, I didn't have a much much of a problem.

So before Mile growing up, I was a die hard Sabian guy.

My dad, well, my dad's a drummer and he played Sabian basically forever.

And so, and yeah, it's, it's Canadian, which in Canada for, I don't know about now because I haven't really been in touch with like the actual retail side of things.

But for a long time they were cheaper because the stores got them direct from Sabian rather than like from a supplier.

So like a Byzance would be like 500 bucks and an HHX, an Artisan Crash would be like 300 bucks.

I think they've gone up a lot since then.

But that was my my thing with Sabian.

I had a billion Sabian symbols, but I reached out to them some point before I switched to minor and they just kind of like brushed me off, which I was like, you know, I wasn't by her.

I was, I was still not really anybody.

But then like over COVID working at a music store, like I kind of noticed a change in the company.

And yeah, just like talking to artists, it just, I think that the thing about that, the thing about saving is they're a very, very small like operation.

They're an extremely small operation.

And I just don't know if they have the resources to take care of like drummers at the level that a company like Silgen.

Or vinyl.

That's why everyone.

Yeah, and, and the problem that they had even on the production side of things, is that factories in the middle of fucking nowhere.

It's in Meductic, NB.

It is literally literally, I don't know what the population of that town is, but like I'm sure half of the fucking town works at Sabian and Sabian.

Sabian's probably like 50 people, if that you know.

So I think that at the end of the day, I would love to see Sabian like figure it out because as a long time saving user, I loved their symbols and I I loved just that they were Canadian.

It was, it was cool.

You know, the whole story was diligent in the split.

It was it's very cool, but just like, you know, I I pretty quick.

I think it was your podcast you do with Mike Johnson where you guys were like just gassing up Michael and how good they take care of their artists.

And I started to think about like all the drummers I saw you.

Back then, yeah, Well, carry on.

All the drummers that used Michael and then like, you know, like the videos and like flying people out and like that wasn't even.

A That was another beef I had.

That was another beef I had.

I don't know yet.

The fuck didn't you fly me out?

I get it.

I was making my own videos.

But like, because it's like a fucking $5000 flight.

Oh well, you don't have any money making those fucking symbols in that factory for fucking peanuts.

I mean for the amount of symbols we break, I don't know.

I know they've got fucking money bro.

How many?

Symbols Are you breaking on a tour?

Now less yeah fucking honestly since the switch.

So many less.

Like maybe 2 at all.

Yeah, I'm, I'm down a lot.

I started like, I mean, when I did my first tour ever, I just signed to Milo and I'd only ever used symbols that sounded good in a completely soundproof jam space.

Like my, my jam space built on a total budget, looks good on camera.

But like dude, it's it's the walls are 5 layers of carpet, which we found on marketplace for free.

Then moving blankets on top the ceilings.

We put carpet on the ceiling and then put moving blankets.

It's fucking dead in there.

So like the symbols I was using at home were like so thin.

So the first tour I did, I broke basically everything.

Yeah, I brought 2 sets and I basically broke every single thing.

But since then I've started like.

It was like it was the brand.

No, because now now I've I've I've like changed what I'm using into the shit that actually 1 sounds better live for the way I play.

So you're not using a byzance China?

I don't use Byzance China because I don't like how they sound as much.

I don't like how they explode if you look at them.

I have a couple of home that are really good that equilibrium China from Macgar I don't.

Know the way it sounds.

Under a fucking close mic though.

Never broke one but I don't like the way it sounds.

I don't like the way it feels because I I'm 20 inch.

China's feel weird to me.

I am a 19 guy.

That was another reason why when it was like I've got an opportunity to go to a place with 19 inch.

China's just perfect for me, Little 19.

You know, it's funny actually on that note is I remember that podcast that you talked about that.

I don't remember what one it was, but I'm, I very vividly remember you talking about it was the MB 10/19 this China got rid of it.

And I heard that and I at the music store I had access to every store in the whole country was like 85 of them.

And I would constantly just be looking for discontinued shit for myself.

And for like a year, I was trying to hunt one of those down.

And I was just gonna like, like, unsolicited, send it to you.

And she'd be like, there you go.

That have been so sick, my last one.

Nobody had one.

My last one fell down the back of a stage in Switzerland and no one could get to the back of the stage.

I remember.

I remember there's a venue in Switzerland somewhere that has my MB 10.

Yeah, I think you said you played like.

80 shows on it or it never cracked that's and then why wouldn't oh conspiracy.

Maybe that's why they just continued it.

They're not cracking.

I mean, dude, Invincible China.

I use the my main China.

I use the 18 inch extreme classes custom and I can get like 2-3 tours out of one of those and I fucking beat the shit out of it 'cause I'm like I like, I don't know if you've seen like too many my live videos, but I'm like double handing.

Like I do the Travis Barker thing.

Sometimes I do both hands.

I just.

I doesn't sound good I.

I hit it so hard that on the last tour I broke 2 stands.

Nice.

Like in half the the top of the stand where like you, you adjust the angle that snapped off and then I have it like boomed off of another stand and I broke the clamp and one of the guys at Tomo that's.

Why I don't use booms?

Well, it's not, it's like a, it's like it wasn't the actual boom.

It was like the clamp, but like the guy at Tomo was like, that's not the first time that's happened.

But he was like, you are the only person that's ever broke one of these as far as I know.

And now you've broken like 3.

I can't do anything that gets booms.

Something breaks for me, whether it be that bit that the boom comes off or the boom itself, or it goes while I'm playing as I'm just going to figure out a setup where I can buy everything straight except my ride.

Yeah.

I mean I ideally my goal is to have like stealth rack on each side I.

Was gonna say and you've got enough shit for a rack.

A rack?

Well.

I I.

Got rack at.

Home yeah, I got a bunch of rack shit.

It's it's all, it's all DW shit.

It's not Tom I when I worked at a music store, I met a ton of people that just like would hook me up with deals when they were ready to get rid of shit.

So I have like an ungodly amount of DW rack shit.

My whole thing with like, like I would love to just have straight stands or whatever.

If I have individual stands, I need a sandbag on like every leg and I use a lot of symbols.

You'll see tonight.

The kit I'm using right now is the biggest kid I've ever toured with.

Sick.

So it's it's got a is.

It a rental.

Yeah, there's.

It's not really the amount of drums, just like the amount of symbols.

What's what's the kit?

Walnut Birch Star Classic 220 twos 10/12/16 and then I've got 2 chinas, 4 crashes, 2 high hats, a ride, a bell and two splashes and a stack.

Jesus, how many?

How many shows you play with Silas?

1.

One how was it?

It's.

Pretty good, a little nerve racking for a couple reasons.

I've never played to a live mix before ever.

What do you mean?

Like with Spite and Carcosa?

I play to a click track with scratch guitar.

Basically the stems.

Mine's drums.

And then what do you have?

Like what drums do you have?

Mine I use my EAD and trigger.

Yeah, that's what I use.

And yeah, so playing to a live mix with Spooky as fuck, you know?

You bring your Eid and just do.

This I do, but I'm playing to live guitars like I have to mix everything on the fly 'cause it's a little different every night and it's not the same because everybody other man members can fuck up or maybe it's not perfect.

Oh shit, you play the scratch guitars?

Yeah, like a little scratch every.

So how many bands do that?

And that would do with spite.

They don't even fucking wear earplugs.

I think I would hate.

I love it because when I'm practicing at home and I go play live, it's doing the same.

But yeah, so that was a little spooky last night, but I only fucked up like twice enough that maybe be like, oh, there was a what?

Was Josh Log after?

The fuck, dude?

He was so chill even before we went on.

He was like, hey, if you fuck up it's OK.

No, he was so chill, dude.

He they have all been so cool.

It's an hour of fucking music, dude.

Like, and we did one rehearsal when I landed.

What the fuck day is it right now?

Sunday, Sunday.

I think I landed on Thursday or maybe Wednesday.

I don't even fucking remember.

I don't even know what day.

I haven't known what day of the week it is for like 2 months but I.

Never know what day it is.

But yeah, we did.

I got off the plane at 3:00 PM and we did.

I went straight to rehearsal and we did one practice.

Josh ended up leaving early because he's still super jet lag from getting back from the States from their other tour.

Yeah.

So we basically ran through the set once.

It was like cool.

And then Ali played the first show, Thank fucking God, because I only got one hour sleep that night.

So jet lagged during the path, their new song.

My mix was like, I mainly could hear click.

I didn't have the guitars loud enough and I I had the vocals, but like not super loud.

And I was like, we're doing one of the choruses and I was like, I can't remember what part comes next because I can't really hear what's going on.

That song has a feature from Deb from Harriet and the night before she came out did it.

So I'm like, Hey, I'll just look around and wait for her to come out and then I'll know where in that section.

So I looked around, she wasn't there.

And I'm like, hey, so I went into like, I went into like the the part that's after her feature and it turns out she just wasn't doing the feature last night.

Some vocal rest.

So and, and that part is supposed to just be like on the kick drum.

And I went full into like and Josh just turned around and was like, so that sucked.

It's whatever.

And then in calcified, there's like this weird on the album.

It's not a Tom hit.

It's like this weird industrial like sample and I didn't know I was playing it.

And it's on this weird like upbeat.

And the first night I saw Ali do it and I was like, oh fuck, I need to figure that out because I always like was like, it's in a weird time and.

What happened in practice?

I got it in practice, but live I just like it's it's like 3 Tom hits and then a snare hit pick up like and I I did the three Tom hits on the off beats, right, But the snare you have to wait like an extra not a beat was the fucking an extra eighth note and I didn't and I went in.

Like 1/2 beat early and so I had to like recover from that.

So otherwise pretty solid.

You know, I'm hope, I hope tonight's a little better, but I don't know.

I'm not.

They've made it like they made me so comfortable that I'm not really stressing.

A lot of silosis is just the same tempo the whole way through as well.

There's a good This setlist is a good mix of old and new, so.

No, I mean like per song.

Yeah, there's not a ton of time changes.

No, I could.

I like that because when I had to make clicks, it was super easy.

Spite is not like that.

They had like, art.

Clicks.

Yeah, it's like 3:00 PM three BPM time change or something, you know?

I love that though.

Or like the audio feel.

Here's a bar of three for no reason.

I've got to do a tour in February, the biggest fucking support tour we've ever done.

Is that the spirit box for everyone?

Yeah, I've got, no, I don't know where I'm going to practice.

I mean, I've got a kit in Nashville.

I've got symbols.

I don't have pedals, but time is the fucking best, I'm sure.

Yeah, fucking I have some more fucking pedals please.

But like, I'm like, when am I going to practice?

Yeah.

I've got all the January off though and I should be settled by then so it'll be fine.

I have so much fucking time off after this, I can't wait.

How much you got?

Well, Spike might do a small tour in like March sometime, but that's not really fully set in stone yet.

And then we're recording and then I don't think our next, I think the next like proper full month long tour that's booked is like October, Jesus.

And I don't think anything else.

Are you like stoked for that or?

So excited.

Yeah, but for how long?

Because I'm like that.

I've had a year off pretty much, and I'm like fucking chomping at the bit.

I want to go and play some fucking.

I'm dying because I have content.

Shit, I want to get to my jam space and he's fucking dealt with Mike.

What?

Are you doing for money when you're not on tour?

I've haven't had to worry about that because I've been touring so much, so I don't know.

I'll figure it out, you know.

It's kind of under got the Instagram creative fund, Yeah, so.

Never made a second.

Way, the minute I get my Social Security number, I've got so much money just in that bank because like you can't get it out can.

You, I don't even think I, I don't even think there's any in there for them.

I don't even think we have like access to that for.

Some reason I did and it was like like sign up for the create a bonus thing and I've just been racking up these bonuses.

But then when I go to take it out, it's like enter your US address and Social Security number.

And I don't have that.

And now I'm just gonna get a little fucking payday when I go over there.

That was one I thought about moving to the states for that reason, but honestly I don't think I could live anywhere but around Vancouver.

Just so used to it.

You live specifically in that bit where all the drugs are?

Fuck no.

That's the only bit I've ever been to it.

Sucks that most musicians go to Vancouver and that's all they know.

What's the the rickshaw?

Yeah, Rickshaw.

Tasting St.

Baby.

That is like the most insane shit I've ever seen.

It's like it's fucking Requiem for a dream.

I'm.

Used to it because like my dad started taking me to shows when I was so young and like he would like sometimes play shows and it would be like a shitty bar down there.

He used to be in like a Metallica tribute and.

Yeah, Dad.

Yeah, so how?

Old's your dad.

I think he's 51 now, 52.

I'm a terrible son.

Sometimes I like it and sometimes I hate it when I'm hanging out with someone that's like your age.

And I'm like, how old your parents?

And they're like, yeah, 43.

And I'm like, I am closer to your parent than I am your friend.

Yeah.

I was just like introduced to that area so young that it's kind of desensitized.

I don't know.

I didn't really think, obviously it's fucked, but like.

It's not like then they're just drug addicts.

They're not like that.

Violent, That's what I was getting to, but now what I've started touring and I see the other places, the the vibe on East Hastings different because it's one of visually it's like one of the worst fucking things you've ever seen on tour.

But I don't necessarily feel unsafe.

Most of the time.

You know, like if I was walking alone in the middle of the night with a shit load of valuable things clearly on me, maybe.

But like it compared to like Skid Row in LA, it's like the vibe like it's just kind of sad.

And, and the thing about E Hastings is that it kind of began because there was like a really fucked up mental hospital in that area that was around for like 100 years that closed down.

And I'm pretty sure when they closed down, they were kind of just like, all right, you know, like, like one of those mental hospitals where, like, people get sent to that shouldn't be there or whatever.

And a lot of those people had nowhere to go.

And I think that that that's part of it.

And then the other part of it is like, Vancouver's like really the only big city in Canada.

You could survive a winter being outside all year.

It may be depending on the West Coast.

Yeah.

It's so much warmer than the rest of Canada.

That's another reason I can never live anywhere else in Canada.

And if I don't want to move to the States, it's like Vancouver's it.

But no, I'm not in the city.

I'm about like an hour outside in the valley.

I'm like right by Dromio.

Why don't you done dromio?

I have done some shit that's only on their exclusive site, but for a long time I don't know what I'd do.

I don't know how to fucking teach dude.

Like I don't, I don't even know what I'm doing.

You just tell people what you're doing.

OK, but I need to figure out what I'm doing to do that.

Oh, don't be one of those people.

I hate those people.

Oh, I don't even know what I played.

You fucking do.

Then if I did, I'd play it the same every night.

You would not be filling in for siloses if you couldn't at least play nearly the same.

Yeah, I mean, that's fine, but that's just like I just like when it comes to teaching, it's like the thought of trying to teach somebody how to like play like an ACDC song like A4 four, like the the beat would be like explaining to somebody how how you breathe to me because I've been playing drums since I was 2.

I don't fucking know.

Oh, do you want to get paid to teach people how to breathe?

Yeah.

OK.

So how do you?

And also, do you want to get?

I fucking love teaching.

I'd love to go back to it.

I love when someone gets it when someone like can't play the ACD and then you teach them in the fucking look in their eye and the look in your eye.

There's nothing like it.

I'll get there one day, but I, I just like, I think that I'm going to try.

That's one thing.

In the new year when I'm home and I have all this time, I want to maybe do some online, like fucking Zoom lessons, like on a pad.

Because I think that if somebody that was already playing metal had specific questions for me, I can answer.

Those.

Let me tell you about that though, those are not repeat customers and they are fucking insufferable.

Because if you're, if you're a grown up, and by that I mean like fucking past 18 years old, everything already exists on the Internet for you to be really good.

The problem is always 9 times out of 10, that person's work ethic because the shit is out there.

So like these people, they just, they'll, they'll get a lesson from you and then want the quick fix and then they don't get it and then they go, oh, go to someone else, OK, Like a lesson off.

On the topic of work ethic, that's one thing I've learned in the last year, which I've, I've kind of known for a long time, but like really like being thrown into the fire is like, it literally does not matter how talented you are.

All you have to do is work hard.

Like you just have to work harder than people that don't do this.

Because as a drummer that plays metal, if you have a good work ethic, you will work forever and a good attitude.

You do have to be pretty good.

Yeah, but how do you get good?

Practice is that you include practice in work ethic.

Yeah, just like, just like being like, OK, I have to get these songs learned and doing it.

But I feel like there's so many good drummers right now that get underpaid because everyone wants to be in a band, that there is so many people out there that people are getting fucked for jobs.

And then you've got people that are practicing so fucking much and they don't have, like, Rudy doesn't have a band.

Yeah.

Which is That was my first.

Doesn't have a fucking band.

My first thought when Silos has asked me to do this was why the fuck didn't they call him?

I said Rudy, yeah.

And here I, well, I think initially they didn't want to do internationally, just money wise.

I don't know why they ended up with me, but here I fucking am.

I'm not mad about it.

Good for you.

Yeah, I mean, fuck dude, there was many moments of the last couple of months where I was like, why the fuck did I take this gig like that dude, that U.S.

tour we just did like kicked my fucking ass, everything.

That you play really hard.

No, just like everything that on a tour side of things, everything that could have gone wrong basically went wrong.

Was it van or bandwagon?

Or bus.

We were in Australia like a few weeks before that tour started and we've known about this tour for, I don't know, fucking six months or seven months.

And we bandwagons like booked the fuck out right now.

Like we were like numbered fucking ten billion on the wait list.

And so we're in Australia and we're like, fuck, are we going to have to do a hotel and van?

Like in my mind I was like, if we do a hotel and van, like that's good.

I'm not going to be able to have any time on the pads for practice.

I'm not going to be able to play.

You're going to be dog shit as well so.

Very, very last minute we sorted out it was the Thrones TM hit up RTM and he showed us this company that does like luxury RV.

So it's not like a Cruise America.

It's like the, it's like the length of a bus.

It's a fucking massive vehicle, but it, it's like a really nice RV, but you know, they're not meant for touring.

They had like 2 traditional bunks and then there was like a queen bed in the back that like Alex and Darius shared me and Ben got the bunks and then our photographer Olivia she got like their.

Beds kind of sick, but.

Yeah, I mean, if you don't mind sleeping with somebody else, they're brothers, They can fucking deal with it.

But like our photographer.

In my head.

Take that as you will.

In my head, the island boys came, came.

Up.

That's right, yeah.

Basically they're making content.

It's basically the same thing.

Yeah, our photographer Olivia got like this.

Like there was like a drop down bunk under the drivers thing that kind of like came down.

And then our TM John, our table converted to a bed and like the couch converts to a bed.

So it was, it was kind of like we're in a nice vehicle, but we're still kind of roughing it.

And when the sides weren't extended, there was like no hang area, like a bandwagon, whatever, you know, like I'm still fucking.

You're still.

Lying down at night.

I will take it.

But because it was so last minute, we had to source a driver and I don't know how we got this guy, but he was so shot.

We fired him on the third day.

He.

He.

What was his name?

But his name was Vance.

He this was his first time touring so he couldn't go backwards at all like it as soon as it came to backing.

What, like even walking?

No, just backing the fucking trailer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I couldn't fucking take a right to save his life.

No, he fucking could not back the thing up.

And like the first couple of nights it would be like, it would be like literally like a 4050 foot wide gate and he just had to go straight.

And it took like RTM and the two bus drivers for Dalian Fetus, like they had proper buses too.

So like experienced drivers, like yelling at him be like no, no, no, no, left, left, No, no left, left, no, no, cranked the wheel left, no right.

And and like that was insane at the driver so rough that like none of us were sleeping.

And yeah, on like the third day, he jackknifed the van, the bus in the trailer so bad that it damaged the fuck out of the trailer and the back of the bus.

So we fired him and we fired him as soon as we could like find somebody that was able to fly in and do it.

And then like after the somewhere in the second week, we were in Arizona and in the morning we woke up and we're on the side of the highway and we'd only moved 40 minutes from the venue and the RV had fully died.

And so we were told, grab all your shit, just get what you need for the show in Texas today.

We're actually, no, it was an off day.

So like the show's tomorrow.

So we're like, we had a day to just chill the hotel and they're like first thing tomorrow morning we're going to catch a flight into Dallas and we're going to have another like regular truck, like a literal truck, pickup truck, tow your trailer all the way there.

Just bring your stage closed, you know, whatever else you need for a day, and we'll get this thing fixed and we'll get back to you.

You're stressing me out bro.

We did not see that RV again until the last day of tour because the only reason we even saw how.

Many days.

I don't know, like it was a six week tour and that was Week 2.

So you did van in the hotel?

No, we got a replacement RV that they sent out and they were like, OK, it'll be a few days and then we'll meet up with you.

And then that turned into a week and it's like 2 weeks.

And by at this point, you know, we're in New York City and this fucking thing's still in Arizona.

And we're like, dude.

And like we're living out of backpacks because I didn't even bring my toiletries because if we were flying, I just had a backpack and then they were going to toss them out because I had to be in checked luggage and it.

Yeah.

So that was a whole fucking nightmare.

So we're basically living out of backpack in this other RV that wasn't as nice.

And also like at some point the first few days, our first driver like drained like the freshwater tank instead of the piss water tank and it overflowed into the luggage bag.

So that happened.

Well, the piss did, yeah.

Oh no.

And then?

Right, the new driver.

No, no, this was still the first driver I I.

Just forgot to add that.

So that was a whole fucking thing.

And then?

So you wait.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

The piss luggage was sitting for like 5 weeks.

When that happened, we immediately moved everything into the trailer or into a different Bay, I think actually, yeah, into a different Bay because it was in the trailer.

We would have had it, but yeah, no, we we luckily mine wasn't affected.

I think it was mainly Ben, our bass player and the.

Team.

That was a whole thing.

And then, yeah, so we got this replacement RV, we got the new driver.

We're like, hey, we're good.

And on the last off day of tour, we're like just two more fucking shows, dude.

We caught this.

We're like an hour from our fucking hotel in Ohio and I wake up, we're on the side of the highway again and I'm like, what's the problem now?

We got waved down because our fucking trailer almost ripped the hitch clean off.

Like when I say almost ripped, I mean like the whole massive metal plate that's like welded to the underneath of this thing.

Like was the steel plate had ripped all the way up until maybe an inch on each side of the back.

And like, like we could have killed somebody do like it.

It was fucking horrifying that that thing.

So we got waved down.

And so then we ended up having to get that thing welded back on.

And you know, so we barely make it to the show the next day.

The fucking the generator ties that night.

Oh yeah.

You're so lucky you've been touring for 14 months.

Yeah, yeah.

That was the thing I was.

Like I'm eleven years older than you.

That shit's going to happen for another 11.

Years and that that is it's just like so much.

There was also another instance like this RV rode really low to the ground and the hitch that they originally gave us had like different settings for like where you could clip the hitch.

We had it on the top one, but that meant that there was like this like fucking like peg basically that went down and it already rode pretty low and it was like somewhere in California before this one died.

This was before that RV died.

But we were just like quickly going to stop in Walmart to grab some shit in the morning and I think we're in San Jose and it it was like the Walmart sign had said truck route.

So we're like, OK, we can go in there and the hitch dug into the pavement so bad in the middle of an intersection.

So we're blocking off traffic coming this way and this way.

And so we call a tow company, they show up, they're like, we can't fucking do anything.

This this thing is massive.

Call a heavy duty tow company.

They can't do anything we're there for.

We block off this intersection for like 6 hours and they had a like insane fucking truck show up.

They had a crane and they had to detach the trailer and crane this.

Is all the same tour.

This is all within the last like 35.

And it all happened.

You didn't have to cancel the tour.

We didn't even miss a show.

Sick.

Yeah, yeah.

How many days off did you have before Scionosis?

8 total I think.

Work ethic, baby.

I had planned to hit the pads every day because that's how I learned the spite set while I was on tour Carcosa as I fucking like hit the pads every day.

But could you?

Be hitting the pads right now.

What's the what's the deal?

What's your What's?

Your maybe shit.

Oh, I don't want to talk about warm up, right?

I'll tell you right now, I don't, so I really don't.

Maybe I pick up a drum pair of drumsticks and make my blood flow for like 10 minutes before.

But.

Noise.

I'm not.

I'm I'm a warmer upper, yeah.

I think I'm just old.

I it makes a difference if I could have a rig that was easy to set up and I'm headlining and I guarantee to have this one.

I was supposed to get one of those for that tour, but didn't.

They were out of stock and it didn't come quite and.

It's like the only one that's good in my head and if I can't get a drum that.

True touch things.

Crazy, if I can't get a drum room at least I can get.

One of those things Rock basically didn't get to practice at all and I was stressing.

I really regretted taking this tour at that time.

And yeah, I went home the most exhausted I've ever been coming home from a tour, and I didn't even have like the next day.

I was immediately in my practice, like in my jam space, playing 10 hours a day.

Work ethic, baby.

That's what I'm talking about man.

It's just like literally like just making the shit happen.

You got to just make sure.

Just make sure you get paid enough bro.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I, I haven't had to work a day since I started playing with spite.

And I'm not complaining about that.

You know, there's, there's hard days on tour and there's a lot, I think that I've toured so much so quickly that I've become a little jaded a little faster than I should have.

But I try to, I always try to just remember, like, remember how bad you wanted to be here.

Like not even two years ago.

I didn't even have any endorsements like two years ago.

Really.

But if you're if you end up being a member of Spite, cool, that's fucking great.

What's the plan if you don't to make sure your price starts to increase?

I mean, I'm not worried about it.

I'm like.

I'm worried for you because I've seen people like Rudy.

He has no fucking job.

And that's fair.

I mean because.

One day you wake up and you know you're worth.

Yeah, not saying that this is what Rudy did, but you do know you're fucking worth.

And no one wants to pay your worth because there's a kid who is as good as you who will do it for free because they're fucking won a tour.

I mean dude.

Worst case I'm to.

The people.

One day I wake up and I go, fuck, you know what?

I don't have a band right now and I deserve more money to be on tour this much.

I go OK, why won't tour and I'll just fucking do the country scene in Vancouver like.

Vancouver's Got Country scene.

Yeah.

I thought about this when I go to Nashville, like I wonder if someone will ask me to do something and I'll say yes.

In Nashville, that sounds like a nightmare because that's like literally like fight to the death.

Oh.

I'm not gonna fucking try, but I wonder because, you know, now there's the whole like the metal guys do country.

I wonder if someone's going to take a look at me and go, we could have him look like what the vibe is and I'll be like and the amount of money those guys are pulling in.

I'm not going to try and do it because I don't really, you know, my heart isn't, you know, it's like metal, like we what?

You've just explained that tour.

The amount of money you get for the skills metal is the lowest.

Oh dude, literally the lowest like dollars per note.

Yeah, maybe other than Lars, considering how many notes he doesn't play but you?

Come on, don't.

Hey man, I'm a Lars defender.

I was talking about this earlier when somebody's.

Watching over you.

He's a fucking goat.

But like the you need to love it like I love metal and that's why I'm here.

You love metal and that's why you're there.

You need to love it so much that you are willing to put up with all the bullshit.

Whereas I don't think even for like, you'd have to pay me a lot.

It's just go.

It's a different.

Vibe wear a fucking cowboy hat.

It's a different vibe I did, I didn't do much, but I did a bit of country gigs before I start touring and I do miss it because there is a certain like laid backness to to playing country and what.

Canadian country singers singing about.

Fuck, somebody told me the other day, who's the fucking fuck?

I can't remember her name, her name.

We were talking about somebody yesterday and I was like, she's from Canada.

I don't even know that, but there's there's a couple out there.

I I don't listen to country, so I don't fucking know.

But when I played that show.

It would be my worry.

I hated country, but when I played it I was like, this is fun like it was.

Fucking it was.

It was fun 'cause.

It's not stressful.

There's.

I'll tell you this right now, I.

Don't have to go.

I'm not playing like this forever, one, because I think I'll go insane, and two, I do not think my body would be able to do it.

Laws.

Yeah.

Laws, Yeah.

The Laws arc.

Yeah.

I'm just gonna start doing what I want, yeah.

Less 1 is now Bum Cat.

Bum Cat.

Yeah, anyway, if you see me playing in a country and by the time this comes out, no, you didn't.

I mean, all you did just pretend I said it was awesome and I love country music.

Maybe I'll go and I'll love it.

Maybe I'll go.

I'll rent A truck and I'll be like yeehaw.

Brother's fucking right, dude.

That's fucking good.

Some of those guys are getting paid so much money.

That's the thing.

I mean, there's money aside like Pat passion and money are two things that are like.

But do you think you'd have the passion for country?

I think, I think that my passion is for playing drums, and I think my passion is for playing drums in a way that is fun.

And yeah, like I love, I love metal.

But when I'm 45 and can't play the way I do now, am I gonna love it?

Maybe.

I don't know.

I'm sure I will always love metal.

But 45 and can't play the way you play now.

I mean do the way I'm do practicing for this setlist.

Like when I was playing, my knees were like.

Really you got you got injuries.

I've never really gotten hurt playing drums other than like one time when I hit my hand with my other stick as hard as I could.

Yeah, that was not good, but that's a whole other thing.

I've been lucky.

I've had a lot of injuries outside the drums though, 'cause I think at the skate park at the BMX track.

Mountain biking, Longboarding.

Look at Gene Hoaglund, the goat, the actual goat.

And he's.

Old and yeah.

Simon how old is Gene Hoaglund?

He's like 54 something.

52 yeah.

So you're saying 45?

Not only is it me starting to worry.

Yeah, but I'm swiveling dude, like.

57 Gene Hoaglund's 57 Yeah, you are doing this forever, bro.

You're stuck.

I don't know if I want to.

What a fucking legend.

Yeah, 57 and you're still RIP in death.

What a fucking well, absolutely hero.

But I don't know, I'll always love metal, but playing it I would love to the 10 year plan in my dream scenario be like I'm playing for Nickelback in 10 years dude.

Nickelback will be dead in 10 years.

Fuck, now they're living forever, dude.

And that's not like out of Reached.

I mean, they're from where I'm from when I worked in the music store, like guys, super nice guys.

Dan, their drummer came in a few times.

He actually has a really cool story.

He used to manage one of the stores in my area from the same chain I worked at, and he got a gig with three doors down from working there and then eventually, you know, played for Nickelback.

He's a great drummer.

He's in He.

Had like a prog band as well.

He's he's like he knows what he's doing yes.

So he would come in every once in a while and chat and a couple times Chad, actually I think it was only once Chad came in the store was during COVID, everybody's wearing masks and he had like cut his hair and I didn't recognize him.

But I was standing at the back of the store in the rental department working with one of my other Co workers and I was playing strapping and lad and I was just like, who the fuck plays drums like this?

And he, Chad just turned around.

He was like, Gene Hogan plays drums like that.

No way.

He like, he just knew what we were listening to and what we were talking about.

And I was like, are you Chad?

Kroger, what are weird?

Gene Hogan fucking turn around.

That was like that was perfect.

That's right synergy of Gene Homan.

When I went to see him after Mike did the podcast, he did say that they grew up listening to fucking brutal metal.

But like when this is if this is on the podcast, by the way, this is not cocaine.

This is stage flight locking.

I've not done coke Which.

Rocks, by the way, it's been, I've been saying on Instagram, but that's just literally made a difference.

Thanks man, that's right, let's not make it plug even though it is a plug.

When I went to the Nickelback show, one of the things I fucking loved, which neither of us can relate to, Stray kind of used to be able to relate to it.

Was when they stopped the show.

In their biggest fucking song, someone falls down, they stopped the show.

And it wasn't like anyone else stopping a show.

Travis Scott, fucking Limp Bizkit, anything like that.

I was just named ones where people died and not actually what I was talking about.

I know you, but you know what I mean the.

Fact that they were, they have to stop.

Like if Bad Omen stop a show, I don't know if they can continue where they were.

I think that song is canned.

Same with Architects, any of those bands, 'cause everything is on track.

Just being able to count it off and like go.

And then it was, it was the biggest fucking song and it was just like, OK, everyone's good, 3-4, damn it didn't.

Yeah, like.

But there's a Nickelback riff on the new Stray.

Fuck yeah there is.

First chorus The first single is for the whole.

Course, Yep.

You know, that one song I have that Take Me Home is like bump, bump.

He's fucking sick.

I think that was actually Vinny Paul.

What I think I heard, I think he might have been on a Mike Johnson podcast, the one he does with Eddie.

I think that he talked about that was like a guest thing that Vinny Paul did.

Guest drums.

Yeah, like way back.

Crazy.

So sick.

Either way though, Daniel's a fucking insane drummer long term.

That's why I'd love to see myself is is playing like fucking arenas with like a band that's way more dumbed down.

Just like really pocket fucking beat my shit.

Out of everything I sometimes I mean I would fucking love that as well, but I think it would need to be heavy like I think country I'll.

Go back fucking heavy.

Yeah, exactly.

Like I would do Nickelback, but like country, like straight up country.

And I said if it was one of these new like, country metal hybrids, I think I could fucking get in like Jelly Roll, like Cody that plays for Jelly Roll that looks.

Fun.

I love Cody.

Yeah.

But like I think I need heavy in my life well.

We're in the pipeline on the way there, so.

You've got a funny story, A story to tell me.

Unsolicited story.

This.

Oh, you told me at Nam you have a story for me and you cannot tell me until the.

Podcast.

Oh fuck, I hope he doesn't see this.

OK, so let's just for everybody watching, let's paint the picture.

Here it is the Tama 50th anniversary event Craig is hosting.

Yes, it was at the party.

Oh shit.

So I didn't really know what to expect of that event.

I thought give me a little show, whatever, you know, I am only been a Tama artist for just over two years now, but at the time, you know, like barely a year and I don't know, I'm like fucking whatever.

So I show up with Alex from spite, Bana, my guitar player from my other band Carcosa and our friend Eric.

And you know, we get there to the House of Blues and they give us these artist badges, which I didn't even considered like, oh, I'm a tomer artist, like maybe it'll be different.

I don't I don't know.

I just my first name.

I don't know how any of this works.

So they give us the artist badge.

I'm like, OK, that's fucking they give all of us artist badges.

So I'm like, OK, that's cool.

So we walk in and then one of the security or staff, somebody goes like, hey, like the artist lounge is over here and I was like artist lounge.

All right, that sounds cool.

And so, you know, it's like you got the Gen.

pop area where I mean it was a private party.

So I don't know, I just figured because it was a private party was everybody had the same shit, but they take us into that side room.

I didn't even go in there, really.

Right at the end, I didn't even know that room existed.

I play that venue like three times, but we go into that room and I open the door.

It's like a tiny room, maybe just a little bit bigger than this.

And the first thing I see this isn't.

This isn't tiny bro, you know much more fucking mortgages.

OK, but like square footage of the House of Blues?

Come on.

Yeah, I'm.

So.

Fuck you, I know you are.

But we walk in.

I walk in the door and immediately the first thing I see is like, I'm starving, so kind.

I need food.

So the first I'm like looking at the food and it's like a Taco bar.

A rare buy a House of Blues.

Fucking well that's because Tama was putting putting on their dime.

But.

Fucking thing.

Yeah, go on.

So in the in the Taco bar lineup, it's like Charlie Benante, fucking Mike Portnoy, Dave Lombardo, just like fucking all the biggest Tama artists ever.

Like I'm looking around this room and I'm like, why the fuck am I here?

What is happening right now?

So I'm like, I need a drink to handle it.

I'm like, I've start to have like a fucking social freak out, which I'm.

Who was giving you the biggest freak out of those?

I don't.

Think it was anybody in particular.

It was just the fact that like, I'm looking around, it's like Abe Cunningham, fucking Eloy, fucking like all these guys that I have in, you know, like wrong data.

It was fucking.

Mental.

It was, it was literally like I, I'm, I know I'm forgetting because there, there was 100 people in that room.

Whoever the 100 biggest Tama artist other than like fucking Lars Simon.

Phillips.

Simon Phillips was there.

It was fucked.

It was.

I was.

Not ready to walk into that room and be like, it was like in Wayne's World when he opens the door and it's like all the fucking guys like training.

I was like what the fuck the?

Fucking ninjas.

And I'm like I immediately just am like fuck that show.

This is happening right now.

I need a drink.

So throughout the night open bar, I had many, many strong IP as like this one.

And at some point in the night, it's like it's like late in the night.

I'm probably 8-9 drinks in I'm I'm like not messy.

I'm not messy, but I'm like, I'm not sober.

I would not have Triven a car or anything like that.

And I'm like, I wanted to talk to Mike all night.

Yeah and he follows me on Instagram.

I mean he was like one of the first big drummers to ever follow me on Instagram, but I'd never talked to him.

So I was like, fuck, I'm going to talk to this guy because growing up like.

He's a fucking legend.

Dude and Nightmare is like one of my favorite records of all time.

Like when I was in middle school and Nightmare came out like that was my fucking religion.

So I was like this dude play drums and one of my favorite records.

I need to talk to him about this.

And I'm like after the next beer, after the next beer and all night, like I'm just getting more and more drunk.

So at a certain point, like look at the time, I'm like, fuck, I got to do this.

Like it's now or never.

But I was like, I have to piss so bad.

I have to piss so fucking bad.

So I'm going to get another beer, Go take a piss and I'm going to go in.

I'm going to talk to fucking Mike porno.

I'm going to do it.

And so I'm taking a piss and I'm wearing I had the large shirt on the down beat large shirt respect.

And I'm taking I bought like a really like baggy 1.

So it's quite long.

And so I'm going to piss and I put my beer up on the top of the urinal and I had to like lift it up to piss.

So I'm like lifting it up and holding my fucking cock and my beer starts to fall.

So I go with my other hand that's holding up my shirt and the shirt falls down as I'm pissing.

I pissed all over that shirt.

Like like up to like fucking here.

Do you like it?

It was a lot of piss and.

How did you not like, fix it in time that enough piss came out to soak the T-shirt?

How big's your Dick?

Hole I was I've been drinking all night I buckets I've been drinking all night and like dude, like the shit that was happening in the main room like fucking Eloy and fucking Monica and fucking every performance fucking.

You got that young 26 year old prostate as well just slumping that shit out like.

Yeah, I like I I I also like with my ADHDI don't acknowledge that like, oh, I could probably go pee right now.

I just like I'm like even if I'm sleeping, it's like it's until I'm about to piss myself.

I'm like, probably go to the bathroom.

Yeah, I'm a bit like.

That so many beers in and I'm pissing so fucking I am like it's it's a fucking fire hose and it soaks my shirt and I'm like fuck.

But I was like, I still talk to my portal.

Covered in piss.

So I tried my best to go to the counter and I patted it down.

This is insane.

Yeah, I knew you were.

That's why I had to say this for the podcast.

Insane.

Because.

You tried to get it out of me.

I was like, not until I do the podcast, right.

And so I I tried to like my best to, you know.

Yeah.

But it also like, luckily it was a black shirt.

If it wasn't a black shirt I don't know what the fuck it would.

Have done Gray shirt.

Yeah.

And the graphic on that shirt goes like all the way down too.

So it was like, yeah, it's very nice quality.

Anyways, I ended up going to talk to him quite drunk and luckily I only talked to him for like maybe 2 minutes before they started like hey everybody's got to like.

Before he started being like God kind of smells like piss.

Yeah, but yeah, the basically the the punch line here is I talked to Mike Portnoy, but I was covered in piss and he might see this and be like unfollow.

I mean, I'm very well might use this as a clip on Instagram and he does follow me so I.

Was figuring that you probably.

Would yeah, he doesn't I think we were no, I said he does follow.

OK, he was really nice.

He actually he was super at a festival.

He followed me a while back and then we were playing the same festival, like hell Fest, and we're like on the smaller stage, like like reasonable lineup, but they know what the hell fest post is.

Like a million man, just get Adm from Mike porno.

Like hey, man, we're on the same show today.

Like do you want to say hey?

I was like, yes, Mike Portnoy, that's so sick.

Definitely want to come and say hey.

And it was really fucking cool.

Isn't.

It cool when you meet your heroes and they're super cool.

Rarely are they as cool as Mike Portnoy.

Yeah, he, he, he was, I will say, talking.

For like a legend.

Awesome dude.

I mean like fuck, he's like the amount of modern drummers I had as a kid that he was on the cover.

Like, come on.

Because I met every single one of those drummers at that event because obviously I had to introduce him and whatever had the little chat with him about what we're going to say and all this stuff.

And I would say the two at the top where I'm just like, you 2 are fucking legend.

And as personality wise you are also legends Bran.

He was cool because we all got hammered at the bar.

At my point, I just like just real nice guys.

I'm like, you are sick.

You're so sick.

Yeah.

They were both super sick.

Bran just, I got to hang out with him for like hours after and yeah, he was so fucking cool.

But yeah, it, it is very cool when you meet your heroes and they're cool.

And if they're not, I'm like, OK, well now I can tell everybody I meet forever that you were a cock.

Who's a cock?

Come on.

Oh fuck, I'm trying.

To think of somebody that wasn't cool, There's a couple that like in my mind at the time, I was like, oh, you were a fuck.

I'll tell you off the record.

There was a couple tell me on the record.

No, but no.

It's.

Fucking an hour and a half in.

I won't only because my now that I've toured, my experience with him was quite brief and I don't know what was going on with him that day.

And it's like I've had shitty days on tour.

I always try my best to be as nice as possible to people.

Worry about it constantly.

Yeah, and it's like, I don't think I've ever really had an instance where I was a Dick to somebody, but like, you know, like high stress situation.

Like I was like working at the Drummio Festival and there was one drummer that was like opening one of the days and I was trying to help him drum tech, and he was not cool.

And he also sucked at his performance and it was dubbed.

I'm not going to say which on the air, but I'll tell.

You tell me who, and then Simon can believe.

That as long as he definitely say it was.

Oh yeah, I can see that.

His whole performance was super dubbed and he was like being a total diva.

Yeah.

It was like we've been there for like 14 hours and he was playing the next morning and it was like late and he was out at dinner and like we were like, the show had been over for an hour, but we couldn't leave until his kit was set up for the next day.

And I was setting up his kit and he he freaked out because he didn't want anybody else to set it up.

And he was like, then they were talking about how like they would have to stay later to do sound check.

That or I think he was saying they'd have to do sound check the next day because it was too late.

And he was like, oh, if it's if the sound check is tomorrow, I'm going to have to change the songs I'm playing because I'll have to get less sleep and I won't be able to play it.

And I remember the next day seeing them playing like, dude, I could have fucking done this.

Like with one day rehearsal.

Like come on.

Don't you just don't be a Dick.

I, I, I every time I have an interaction with anyone, I don't, I, I, I think I'm quite a nice guy when I interact with people like I'd like to be, But even if I think, even if I'm like apparently delightful afterwards, I'll go to whoever I was with.

If someone comes and says, oh, how are you?

Like, yeah, nice to meet you or whatever.

Like, which I fucking love, by the way.

People who say that they don't like people coming up to them and going, Hey, I really like everything you do are lying because it's the best fucking feeling on Earth.

Yeah, but immediately every time I'm with whoever I'm with, I'm like, was I cool there?

Was it Like, was everything cool?

Like I worried like I was a little bit maybe like, do you think it came off cross OK?

Because I'm like, terrified of it.

Yeah.

Just because I don't want it because of that, because I'm constantly stressing about something, I don't want that to come out.

I think that being Canadian, I just like, I trust that the Canadian like dialect and like how I interact with people.

I'm like, yeah, it's probably sounded great.

I've got the opposite.

Because you definitely.

Went.

Really.

No, I mean, there's definitely like at Nam, there was a couple times I'd be trying to meet up with you because I basically followed you around that whole time.

I don't know if you picked up on that, but I literally ditched my crew of people and every night you and me hung out and.

Was that was that orchestrated?

Not intentionally, but when we got along, I was like, fuck these guys.

I'm hanging out with Craig the whole time.

And but I'd be like trying to meet up with you and I'd be like, where are you at?

And you just be like 111 word answers and I'd be like, oh, he doesn't want to hang out.

Oh no, that was just that was also me overthinking.

I'm the worst texter on.

Yeah, me and Josh were talking about that last night.

What about me texting?

Yeah.

What did Josh say?

Because.

He said the one ply 11 answer replies or one word reply he.

Messaged me today and I.

As I was getting in my Uber, I he was you had just texted him as I was leaving.

Wait, so that was the conversation?

You know this was last.

Night 'cause I, I did it again today to him.

I just, I don't know what it is.

I'm just, I'm so fucking busy all the time and I'm dead.

I mean a little bit of tism.

So I'm just like, here is the statement that I need to tell you right now, but there's no like, I think it's because in person I'm quite like.

And then on text like, how do you put that across?

I don't know, I mean.

Exclamation marks after everything OK.

On my way.

On my way.

Dude, not I've actually.

I mean, I am like that sometimes where I'll be like, I just like I don't think I, my mouth moves faster than my brain thinks and like I'll like have a conversation with somebody and walk away and two minutes later, 10 minutes later, think about it and be like the way I worded that was fucked.

Why did I say it that way?

Like that probably sounded horrible.

MY1I I won't say who it is because I still have to deal with them, but there's one artist Rep that will not deal with me anymore with.

One of your companies?

With one of my companies that, yeah, that I mean.

Is it a European Rep?

Yeah.

OK, Well then I won't know.

And it doesn't matter, but like they like USA.

Well, if you want something done with the companies in the USA.

Companies in the USA you gotta.

Speak to those mother fuckers.

Anyway, I won't even say if this was a company I'm still with, what company I used to be with.

They said like, I was trying to get replies from an e-mail with something really, really important and they just were ghosting me.

And I got really annoyed about it.

I don't even remember getting that annoyed about it.

And I was like, why aren't you replying?

And they were like, quite frankly, I find your e-mail tone incredibly aggressive.

And I was like, well, don't fuck up then.

And I'm not going to be aggressive.

I'm like a very, I don't know.

I know it lives in me.

Like if someone fucks up, I'm Simon.

Have I Simon this last episode?

How do you feel about me?

Texting is terrifying confirmed.

And I don't mean it.

I don't mean it.

I'm just like, there's a sentence.

Make of that what you will.

It's been.

It's a nightmare for relationships, it's a nightmare for business.

But it does work good when someone is actually in trouble.

Yeah, because it is.

I'm not.

Good at that.

When somebody fucks up, I'm like, that's good.

Oh.

I'm fucking so good.

I'm just like getting better at like with the reps If I need something, I'm trying to be better about being like I'm going to let them know a month in advance rather than a week in advance where if they don't do it right when I need them to, I'm not fucked.

Because I'm also like like with Sam, with Sam Atama, it's like fucking dudes like it bad.

He rocks too.

And it's like, but it's like, you know, I'm not upset if like he says he'll get me something and then maybe forgets because it was like a weekend when I texted him and I'm in a different time one.

It was 2:00 AM and I'm like, that guy has to get Lars 20 drum kits for his next tour.

So yeah, I'm not upset when a guy like that is I?

Don't think I've ever other than the obvious 1 I don't think.

And one other time, I don't think I've ever been really, really upset with a Rep about something.

And I've only ever been when, like, they've promised me something, I've chased them up on it, then they've got shirty with me.

It's auk term.

If you don't know what it means, it means like a little bit pissed off at me, nippy at me.

Because.

Because I've followed up.

Yeah.

And then when it's got to crunch time, they've then fucked it.

And I'm like, this part of the conversation was like, that's where you were nippy to me.

And now you've fucked it.

And then I'll go, that's actually the song I'm talking about.

And I went fucking nuclear and I don't want to speak to you anymore.

Your e-mail trans aggressive.

It's like, well, your life tone is dog shit.

That's why we're in this fucking mess.

You nuclear?

No way.

Does everyone think Does everyone hate me?

No, it's just like, it's just funny because we talked about it earlier with Michael.

I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me.

I can't.

Is there anything that's is there any musician that does what we do or creative in general that isn't fucked in the head even like the crew on tour that like don't even they're not even necessarily like the artists, but like to do anything that we do, you have to be fucked.

You have to be fucked.

I'm just a very bitter, petty person when only when someone's wronged me, I.

Love being petty.

I love everyone until they wronged me.

Maybe they wronged me twice, you wronged me once, you know, whatever.

There's a sentence, I'm not even going to say it, but you want me the second time and I will.

Fucking explode.

You yeah.

You're like, you're literally going to make a down B shirt.

Yeah, you will.

Me will go on the story.

We do audition.

I love.

I don't fucking care.

Yeah.

Story boss is great.

I mean, I could go on about that.

I know you should probably go and fucking warm up.

Yeah, we.

Should probably do the stream festival.

Do you have it ready?

Because you basically, I mean traffic.

You're fucked.

Yeah, I'm going to.

I'm going to free ball it real quick.

You.

You know the concepts are just fucking.

And I know, I know, I know how this goes.

So, OK, it's going to be anywhere on the Gold Coast in Australia, it's going to be.

Everyone's fucking answer exactly the same.

It's going to be on.

Stop doing it.

It's going.

To be on the beach, you remember the beginning of The Simpsons movie where the green day's playing on the boat or on the raft.

All the stages are on a raft and there's people in the water but there's like mosh pits on the beach.

I don't fucking care what time of year it is because it's Australia.

I mean Australia in winter is dog share so.

Is it?

I was just there in the winter was fun.

In your winter, they're on the other side of the world.

No, it was it was our summer when we went.

Really.

Yeah, it was nice.

Gold Coast, I guess it's still gold.

Coast, baby.

All right, OK, who's opening?

No.

What's your accommodation?

Accommodation.

Yeah, that's the one part I had to consider.

We all have cabanas.

OK.

Free streaming platforms and everyone, everything that you ever want to watch is there.

That's nice.

No one's had that.

Yeah, I'm talking.

About dude, there's fucking there's, there's a masseuse for every member of every band.

Yeah, I like it.

And like Hellfest, yeah, there's also your rider.

You can put whatever you want.

So that's all yours.

Like $10,000 in clothes.

That never wasn't food wise food.

Wise fucking there's this smash burger place in Vancouver right down the street from the rickshaw.

It's like the only place to eat in that area.

It is fucking insane.

It's called a between two buns.

If you're in Vancouver go to between two buns.

I'm going to plug that fucking insane.

And so it's one of those weird like too cool for you.

Like you go in there and you're like, I'm not cool enough to be in here.

They don't even have a sign on the door.

Like it's almost.

Like, oh, like a cocktail?

Yeah.

Like like a Speakeasy.

But almost, dude.

And they don't.

They don't let you make substitutions or anything.

Oh, I love that.

I love that coffee shop.

When you go, oh, can I get a vanilla one?

I think we don't have vanilla.

I'm like you guys, fucking rule.

Yeah, they're like, you don't like onions, Kill yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah, so, Chef.

Shit, that's it.

If you're vegan, too bad you break in my dream world.

You're breaking your vegan edge to try this fucking burger, Yeah.

Might send him a one word about that later.

To drink there is this discontinued Mountain Dew flavour that they only had in like Canada for like one year during this like competition thing they had where they voted out the flavours called Mountain Dew Supernova.

Maple syrup was it?

No, it was like fucking.

I don't even remember a joke.

Come on dude.

It was fucking sick.

I don't want to laugh.

I don't remember what the fuck.

Flavours like melon, honeydew, something is fucking insane.

That's what everybody's drinking band wise.

Dimu is playing.

It's a it's a three day festival.

Dimu's playing all three days and.

Wow, this is amazing.

Every, every single day they're gonna play both puritanical and fucking Death Cult in full with Nick Barker on drums and a full orchestra.

Every day.

Yeah, they're playing it.

Fuck.

It it's your dream festival, can you please fix Nick Barker's?

Kidney.

Yeah.

Nick Barker is as healthy as possible.

I love it.

Looking great.

I hope he's doing good.

Strapping is playing every day and every day throughout the three, the three days they're going to find a way to play their whole discography.

It it not every day, but they're going to like they're going throughout the three days.

They're going to play every song they've ever written.

Gene Hogan Gene Hogan's having a heart attack because he's 57.

Devin is going to fucking go mentally inside.

To cancel Devin on the podcast tomorrow tomorrow because I've got a fucking I've got a I've got to be packed up.

This whole thing has to be packed up in four days that.

Sucks that is so good.

Whole place.

It'll happen.

King Gizzard is gonna play.

Never heard a single song.

They're my favorite band of all time.

I can't talk about them because I I will talk about them for.

What's the album to check out?

Dude, that's a whole other.

Country.

No, just give me one.

Infest the Rat's Nest?

Or like for you, Infest the Rat's Nest or Petro Dragonic Apocalypse, the two metal albums they have.

OK, they're gonna headline.

I got other bands, but I'm gonna they're going to headline and they're going to play three hour set every night with no repeats.

How are you inventing this time to do all this?

It's my dream dude, I know how this.

Yeah, but no, but you need, you need to give me what's happened to the Earth in order to have time freeze.

How?

I don't thought how did it happen?

No, that's the dream.

First of all, you can't have it without.

It's my dream that doesn't matter.

Let me give you a hypothetical.

A black hole has opened, increasing the Earth's gravity so that actually the days it's the the sun.

But do we revolve around the sun?

I don't know dude.

Or does the sun revolve around fucking no.

We go around the sun science.

It slowed us down.

So days are now 40 hours long.

There you go, I've done it for.

You how about fucking Doctor Strange started experimenting with the fucking prostate massager and fucking came so hard.

Anything that the whole space-time can sit.

Neither do I, but I'm just free balling.

I've got the whole space-time.

She loves Marvel.

And I'm like, fuck all that.

I'm gonna have to watch.

I don't.

Have time for that.

I'm gonna watch them all.

Mac Miller's coming back from the dead, playing his whole discography.

Other favorite artists?

At all times.

Is he healthy or is he he's clean and he's a ombie or has he been?

Oh no, he is.

He has come back to life.

He never died.

That he is he.

He got healthy and did his thing.

He's he's playing every day.

He's gonna play his whole discography over the three days.

Who the fuck else Schoolboy keeps doing a set?

He's doing oxymoron in full.

He's doing fucking blank face in full and he's doing blue blue lips in full.

This is, this is, This is why?

Why don't you split them up?

Why is it the same every day?

Because I want to see all of them every.

Day.

Why have you sacrificed everyone's bodily functions?

Because in my dream gravity shift.

In my dream they are maximum health.

Yeah, but the gravity shift from what's needed to make this work just split it over three days.

Slipknot's coming back on the last day with Joey and Paul and they're going to play for six hours and they're going to play every song.

You take Joey.

Every song no but to see Joey play 4 score hours.

I.

Mean like I would as a drummer.

Eloy is literally inhuman but like Saw.

Him with Joey four times, Saw him with Dave Lombardo.

I saw Metallica with Dave Lombardo and Joey.

I saw that.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of Slipknot.

I think I've seen Slipknot with every every drummer.

I was supposed to Slipknot with the original lineup in graded like peak Slipknot obsession for me.

We got tickets in like January for my birthday.

My dad got them and show is in October.

Day before the show, I got sent home from school with the swine flu and I couldn't go.

I was like puking every five in retro.

Yeah, yeah, that was like the original COVID.

So my dad ended up going with the guitar player for his Metallica cover bands and got me a shirt.

But I never got to see Joe.

He never got to see Paul.

Next time they came was like years later with Jay.

What's your after party?

Because you got to fucking go.

OK hold on real quick.

One last thing.

I'm playing at least one one song with King Gizzard and I am mine.

Like 6 tabs of acid but I'm gonna nail it.

Have you done acid?

At a King Gizzard show.

It scares.

I don't.

For the record, I don't do like what I consider drugs like party drugs.

Never, Just never.

Fuck the.

Most solution to genic drug.

Psychedelics is like a spiritual thing for me so like I haven't done acid for a long time but shrooms is like a every when I can out like once or twice a year.

I had a really bad acid trip.

I've heard about it.

Yeah, and I haven't done it since.

And I've done mushrooms and DMT since then and it's been fine.

But I don't I I like a small dose of mushrooms and I like DMT for how fucking fast it is, but like I can't be doing those eight hour things anymore.

That's fair.

Yeah.

I mean, it's been a long time, so maybe I'll do it again.

It's been years.

The last time I did, I think it was a King Gizzard show, but that was many years ago.

I just don't have the time to do it these days but.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's a fool.

That's a.

Fucking that's like 48 hours yeah that's a 2 day yeah that's a 2 day like reset, but after party every Six Flags and like fucking every sick I'm a roller coaster into that My I got the extreme autism yeah So you know how like the whole like tism thing is like the trains I got extremetism.

OK, you know what?

I got the extremism.

So it's like trains, but roller coaster trains.

So every sick roller coaster in the world is also somewhere in the area.

What's your favorite roller coaster?

So far there's one in Hershey Park called a Wildcats Revenge that's really good.

Also on that last tour I spent a whole day at Six Flags Magic Mountain and there's a number of good ones there.

So I'm like I know the the manufacturers, the model numbers.

You are actually.

Yeah, like I watch like there's a couple Youtubers I watch the do like 2 hour like video essays on like manufacturers and I watch like a couple of weeks.

Yeah, I love I.

Haven't got the time that you're asking about.

I've got the time to watch it.

Yeah.

Fucking two hours of exact roller coaster manufacturer.

That's where the after party is.

Do you play Roller Coaster Tycoon?

No, I've been meaning to when I was a game.

There's.

Not realistic enough for you?

Maybe not, I don't.

Know that would never.

Work.

There needs to be like malfunctions where some people die.

If you don't need the maintenance, maybe I'll play it then.

I think they.

Do do they?

Yeah, but it needs to be like legit, needs to be like Grand Theft Auto level like.

Oh, you wanna see the head to come off?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And be like oh I should probably like replace the wheel bogeys on that RMC.

Train when when a roller coaster fucks up because it is like, obviously tragic.

It's almost always me and tears.

Same time I'm like wow.

Imagine, imagine like going over like a crazy hill and just being injected and being like, fucking well this isn't good.

As long as I fully died I'm OK with it.

Like.

Now I want to live to tell the tale.

No, I've done something very similar to that and the recovery absolutely fucking sucks.

Yeah, next time just kill me.

I got more roller coasters, there's so many haven't ridden I need to ride them off.

Your alarms gone off fucking twice.

Yeah, I really need to go.

We're done.

Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for finally fucking having me.

We have to do a Part 2 because there's so much.

I didn't get to talk.

We'll do it in Nashville.

Yeah, that's right.

When the best.

Quite sad.

Simon blies me out.

Simon, it's your last episode sitting in Oh shit, it's still going to be out of it to.

Be the last person in this fucking room actually means a lot so.

I I like it.

It's a good, yeah.

I'm glad that you cancelled on me the first time.

When did I cancel?

When I was here a spite earlier this year, you doubled.

We we booked it when we were in and we were hammered to be fair, but I was holding out.

Ripple booked.

Triple booked, Yeah.

Holding absence, me and whoever else.

Day seeker.

MMM, well, trip triple book, but I got here.

But he didn't cancel today, even though I have four days to back up the podcast.

I cancelled Devin Townsend instead of you.

If I'm telling you something for real, it was the other did like a couple weeks ago when you when I was like, yo, are we still doing this?

You're like, maybe because half the reason I took this tour, and I'm not even like half the reason I took this tour is because I got to do this.

Because I texted you, you wanted to do it and it came down to like, I don't have enough time to do 3 podcasts because we did one yesterday which fucking cancelled.

I don't have time to do 3 podcasts in three days.

So it's going to be Debbie, but it should have been.

Make them suffer.

You have to believe that.

Nope, no, leave it in.

I'm looking forward to seeing you, Rep Love you.

Fuck yeah, love you too.

Fuck yeah.

Cheers.