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My guests this week are Eric English and Matt Honeycutt of Kubla Khan back for a sequel.

The last time Matt was on here was a smash hit episode.

One of my favorites, one of your favorites.

Glad to have him back and bring him with him.

The bassist slash 808 player Eric English.

Me and Eric go back as far as my first tour in the States, so it was great to catch up with him.

We talk about their new album, Exhibition of Prowess, as well as Matt Honeycutt's short stint working at Hot Topic Tattooing.

They're both very good tattooists.

If you don't know Kuba Khan, check them out.

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You look, I'm thirsty again.

This won't be OK.

You're thirsty.

Look, straight off the bat, Mr.

Monster, Yeah, what can I get you?

A.

Monster.

What, From the bar of monster?

Yeah, I should have probably got you one.

What you having a regular?

Oh yeah, whatever the fuck else I got you.

Monster heavy, yeah.

Monster Heavy.

I'm going to do a Monster Lite.

Do I have to get up and do?

I'll get up and do this.

Why?

Didn't he do it?

He's closer.

I can get it.

What if you then come back and it doesn't look as good?

I fucked up.

I should have got these drinks already.

He's in a small chair.

You can just.

Right there.

Oh, look at that lean.

That's a, that's a New Jersey lean right there.

I've ever, ever seen it.

You got hard, you got heavy on the top and then soft.

I'll take the soft.

Regular Thanks buddy the.

White 1.

No, the one next to that, the pink No, down and right.

Look at that that.

This will be fine.

Put that microphone close to your fucking mouth right here for the viewer at home.

I was just giving Honeycutt some shit for being too quiet, but we had the compressor set up wrong.

It was actually loud.

Jesus Stone cold.

What's going on there?

Anyway, thanks for coming.

Thanks Ramless, you feel that?

Feel what?

My knee.

Oh, we're good, Jesus.

That's a new New Jersey comedy.

Cheers.

I actually haven't tried the regular 0 Sugar have.

You tried the water?

I have.

I drink it.

I drink it all day, every day.

Oh my God, that's.

Good.

It's like a.

Wait, wait, wait.

Pepsi Challenge.

Let's Pepsi Challenge this quickly.

Wait.

I'm going to see what's the what the difference.

Is don't close my eyes.

You don't mind about germs, do you?

I don't.

Give a fuck man, I'm disgusting.

I don't know why I'm doing it.

Should I grab?

Why am I spinning it?

Should I grab a extra to really throw a wrench in?

It grab a hard brake edge on camera just.

Put like a can of piss in it like.

Drink that.

Don't, don't look.

Or hand it to me.

Go.

And don't mouth hole up.

Yeah, you're close.

You just lick that.

That's not mine, you fucking asshole.

This one is.

Drink that one then I should have fucked him and done the same again.

I would have known a difference.

Dude, this.

Yeah, I was tried.

This one.

Let.

Me taste yours I'm like a an OG monster in ages.

That's what my body you can.

Tell the difference between those two.

Absolutely.

I actually can't.

Buddy, I dream about this stuff.

I know you do.

That's why we're here.

Yeah.

You want something crazy guy, he can chug one of those and then go to bed.

Puts him to sleep.

Don't it more times than I can count, doesn't.

That mean you have ADHDADHD people I've.

Seen him crack 1 and chug it down to the bottom.

Get in his bunk.

I won't see him until tomorrow.

Yeah, but he's in his bunk.

Nah.

That's true.

Anyway, it's enough.

And as you drink chat Eric, Matt, I never call you Matt.

Who calls you Matt?

What do you call him?

Honeycutt.

I call him Matt.

You call him Matt?

Yeah.

What's the normal name?

Am I abnormal by calling you Honeycutt?

No.

Such a good surname.

Yeah.

I like it.

I'm proud of that name.

You can call me Matt too, though.

I don't care.

I feel like it'd be Matthew.

I don't mind that either.

I think Full name I.

I just found his middle name out today.

Yeah.

Hit me guess give you 3 guesses.

First, it's the most normal average name.

To think of.

4 letters.

Four letter starts with AC Carl.

Nope.

Damn that I wish, Chris.

Nope.

That is not, well, better.

Wait till you hear my middle name.

OK, one more guess.

Four letter starts with AC.

Yeah, but I can't say it.

It's not that word.

Nope.

Every fucking cool middle name.

You know it.

I don't go, what is it?

It's.

Cody.

That's not a normal name.

I'm from England.

There's not a single person called.

Where are we right now?

Where are we at Nashville?

Tennis.

See, brother.

Probably pretty normal here.

Cody.

Matthew.

Cody Honeycomb.

That's it.

But you, Cody, you're not.

My middle name is 0.

Can we guess?

You'll never guess it.

Go ahead.

Let's start with.

I'll tell you something.

I.

Like Edwin or something?

Just take some guesses.

It begins with B, right?

Bartholomew.

You're so like, honestly, is it very is a?

Super English, that's.

What I'm trying to.

Think it's something it's actually super Scottish, but I want to know I think.

Braveheart.

Braveheart's close.

I think it might be on one of these.

I was going to say you read.

Yeah, our names on there, it might be on one of these cans if it's one of the.

Ingredients.

Imagine my name is Hydrochloride.

My middle name is Hydrochloride.

That's it.

No, it's not on there, but right, It could be on a drink begins to be beast.

No, it could be on a drink.

Could be on a drink's packaging.

Baking soda.

No, I think think of another word for a drink.

Beverage.

That's my middle name.

I fucking shit.

You know, I spelt differently, but it's a Scottish middle name.

It's spelled IDGE at the end.

Well, it's actually a Scottish last name.

It was my.

Pronounced the same way.

Pronounced the same way, so my middle name's literally beverage in.

I can see why you don't.

I can see why you don't tell people that seem pissed off.

Well, you thought Cody was ridiculous.

I think it was ridiculous beverage.

No I thought I thought you saying Cody was the most common name that begins with C was ridiculous.

I didn't think Cody is a normal name.

So when he told me that earlier, too, I didn't get Cody.

Yeah.

I think.

Are we?

Are we beefing?

Immediately I'm I'm already about to wrap this up because Mr.

Beverage here doesn't understand it.

Cody and Cody's pretty.

Normal over here.

I think if we were in Thailand, you wouldn't see anybody named Cody, I guess, but.

Yeah, and Britain's maybe some.

Thailand might be some beverages.

Quite a lot of beverages at the full moon high.

What you been doing Where?

Where were you yesterday?

2 days ago we were at Rockville Daytona.

Yes, about yesterday.

Oh, yesterday we were driving from Florida to Nashville.

That's not.

That's like an 8 hour drive.

Yeah, through Atlanta through.

Atlanta How was the fest it?

Was great.

That was crazy.

That was we played last year too, didn't we?

Two years in a row.

It's been great.

It's always great.

You did.

You know, what was really annoying for me was I was listening to your record earlier at the gym.

I took go to the gym again by the way.

That's OK, it's a quick 45 minute in and out.

But I was also scrolling reels as you do at the gym and didn't realise I had the sound on and I'm pretty sure it was low.

I was listening to low tech and then a rockfill reel came up which I think was low tech as well.

Or like it was a collab post of U2 like a massive massive.

Circle.

Circle Pit thing and whatever track I was listening to was the same song as the real when I thought my phone was tripping.

You know Shinfo story there, but that happened earlier today.

Was this year as good as last year?

This year is much crazier, yeah.

Which like we said, last year's was great, yeah.

But this year was obviously like people, people knew it was coming this year.

Was a lot hotter though, yeah.

Was it?

They So when we left that night they made a post about they had a semi truck bringing more tents and air conditioners in.

So I guess people are dropping like flies all day.

What's Daytona like?

Yeah.

Is it like, is it on the beach?

Yeah, it's like tropical.

Daytona Beach.

Might go going to Florida in a couple of weeks and want to go to the beach.

Is that the go to beach?

You're a Florida guy.

What's the go to beach?

I like Saint Pete Clearwater, but Daytona's sick.

The problem is, is the most time we've ever spent in Daytona is on a Speedway and the Speedway.

And when you're on the Speedway, it's not very easy to get off the Speedway.

Yeah.

I didn't know if it was like, you know, like Venice Beach, everyone's like is not noise.

Not a noise bit.

I don't know.

I don't.

Know I would like to believe that Daytona.

Beach is pretty cool and I've just been in the parking lot.

Yeah, beautiful parking.

Lot.

So yeah, I don't know, maybe I'll just go to the parking lot.

Fuck the beach, Ryan you.

Guys have googles for it, just Google it and look at pictures it would be fun.

Yeah, but you can't trust Google.

Not anymore.

Not anymore.

With the AI shit, you actually can't.

You fucking ask it anything and it's like, yes, of course you can put your fingers into a fucking fire extinguisher without it going off.

No, you can't.

Pulled that one off the top of my head.

I don't want that.

I looked Matt up the other day on the AI Google thing and said that him and his mom have a nice tech company startup.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

What's what did you?

What was the prompt to put that in I?

Don't remember, but I was like, Matt's mom's not alive and he's about as low tech as it gets.

Yeah.

So I don't think that's very.

Real I need to know about this tech company.

That's going to say I, don't I.

Think they owe me some money if.

There's one person in the world that's doesn't have a tech company.

Well, he's a YouTube now.

I got Oh yeah, yeah, I try.

How's it going?

That's good.

Born on here.

Yeah, born on here was your idea.

I just went with it because I like I'm being legitimate too.

When you said the people would watch it, I was like, I really don't think people will like why would they?

And people are watching it.

You got.

Like 30,000 followers, subscribers or whatever in there fucking.

First video was like the second or first or second month of this year.

So that's doing all right.

There's only 8 videos I think you're doing.

Better than me, so subscribe.

What's AI saying about Matt Honeycutt?

The only AI stuff on here is about Matthew Honeycutt from Vampire Diaries.

There you go.

Oh.

Wow, is that the name of a character?

Yes.

Oh, fucking vampire over there knows all about it.

Any good?

Vampire.

Diaries.

Well, just the guy.

Is he hot?

Is he a hot vamp?

Is that the actor's name or the character's name?

The character's.

Name.

That's the other Matt.

That's Matt Beverage Honeycutt.

That's not that's not me.

That's the other guy.

Do you get that a lot?

Then you want to talk about your name like that, or about being the vampire guy.

Back in the day, I remember hearing about that because when when she said that, I was like, Oh yeah, I remember that.

There's like some vampire stuff, kind of hot Topicy kind of shit, I think.

Baddies though, like.

Hot topic, do you?

Remember what city we were just in or like on the beach or Transylvania?

Remember that guy was at Merch and he's like, I'm at Honeycutt, I'm at Honeycutt.

I want to show my ID.

What?

It was him fucked up on monster.

There's someone I was at one of the kill switch shows we just did.

She was also called Matt Honeycomb.

That is, I DS like.

Oh, I don't you.

No one told me this.

But that.

That makes sense now what you're saying.

At first I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Yeah.

He's like, I got my ID right here.

I was like, yeah, yeah.

You're mad.

That's how you're mad.

You want to see I?

Worked a hot topic for a month.

A month.

A month.

Shortest job I've ever had go on.

So I was living in Corpus Christi at the time and I'd before that I'd have just been doing like construction and shit for years and I didn't want to work out in the hot anymore if I could help it.

So I moved down there.

I decided I was like, I'm going to go up to the mall and just see what's cracking in the mall.

What year is this set the scene for?

I think it.

Was probably 2018 maybe.

OK, some like that are on their way out.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, especially, I mean, the Corpus Christi Mall is, it's a regular beverage American mall.

It's all right.

The entrance that you go in the food court is on both sides you and it's like a shotgun walk.

You just walk straight.

And then there was the fucking hot topic.

It was either straight and a little bit over here or what I don't remember, but I walk in and I'm like walking around and looking at shit and just totally out of my depth, man.

I had no idea what I'm looking at.

There's like Naruto shit on the walls and pop dolls and stuff like ah, fuck, man.

But the AC was bumping.

So I was like, this is pretty cool.

I could do this and I'm not even fucking with you.

The guy he's he's my buddy's name is Jerry.

He's cool as fuck.

He comes up and he's like, hey, are you, are you in a van?

Like, yeah.

He was like a are are you in Kubicon?

I was like, yeah.

I was like, are you hiring right now?

And he was like, you want a job?

I was like, yeah, he's like, we can get you an interview tomorrow.

He was like, cool.

Yeah.

And then I started working there and, dude, navigating that place was impossible.

I let I worked there for a month.

I swear that every night they just move shit around.

What do you mean?

Is that like?

Like it's just there's, it's just a shoulder to shoulder little maze with a bunch of shit.

You turn around and everything looks the same.

They got like trip pants on one wall.

And then you turn around and like you said, it's like Vampire Diaries and like Harry Potter sorting hat shit.

And you're just like, dude, what the fuck?

And I would have to talk to these customers that I had no, nothing in common with.

Wait, wait, wait.

But you know what all these things are?

You mentioned like a lot of knee shit there.

Look how because I worked there.

Is that where you learned it or did you come in, originate and it was all just like there?

Was there was certain stuff that I didn't I I had no idea.

Like even I know what Naruto is.

I see people wearing the headband and I know what it is, but like, I can't name you a character I don't know.

I know the run.

You know what?

You.

Know so much.

That's enough to say it's.

Enough to get your job a hot topic, I'll tell you that.

You got the job, why did it only last a month?

Oh, because I didn't like it.

It was.

It was legitimate.

AC though they turned the AC off.

We went on work tour.

We.

Went on work tour but it was also it was the and I I didn't I told everybody here or that I worked with this and I was like, yo, you guys are all awesome this is cool but like I'm not good here They're like, do you keep telling me I have to talk to customers and smile at them and they're like hey man, like on Friday they're like you can go pick out like you like Jurassic Park right and I'm like yeah, they're like we have a.

Holy child to these people are so fucking fucking we're.

Like we have a whole section over here of like Jurassic Park button up shirts.

Like you can go get that.

And on Friday you can wear it.

And I was like, what do I have to pay for it?

And they're like, yeah.

And I was like, then now I'm not doing that shit.

Like, why would I do that?

I'll spend my own money.

Then you're keeping my paycheck that that I'm supposed to be getting because I'm buying a bunch of merch from you guys.

And they're like, come on, man.

It's just like team player shit.

Like, you know how it works?

Like you would literally come up to me and be like, yeah, just like bullshit with the customers and be like, yeah, man, you know, Dragon Ball Z, you like that shit, Come over here.

You know what I mean?

And I was legitimately like, dude, I can't do this.

I'm not good at this job.

I'm floundering.

I don't know where I'm going.

I'm bumping into everything all the time.

I don't know shit about nose piercings, man.

Like people ask me all these questions and I told him I was like, I love you guys to death.

Like I gotta go like that's I'm not coming back and I love.

The way you got the job though.

Yeah, well, hey, that's how it worked, man.

And I was cool with it.

I I literally.

What was the interview?

What did they say?

Who's this?

And you went to fuck?

I know that one.

That's Harry Potter.

You're in.

Nah.

It was just like, do you have like sales experience?

And I was like, well, I'm in a band.

We do OK.

Selling riffs.

Yeah, we sell some stuff, you know?

And I was like, they're like, do you have people skills?

I was like.

Yeah, you do, but.

Yeah, but you know, like I said, when a, when a kid comes up to you and he's, you know, be like, oh man, do you prefer Hufflepuff or Slytherin?

And I'm like, I don't fucking know what you're talking about, man.

Like I know of Harry Potter, but like, I'm not, I don't have an opinion on this kind of shit.

And then I was like an asshole.

You can.

Bullshit.

I could that was a problem is I couldn't.

You could.

I couldn't do it now I.

Could probably get away with it now, but like just trying to talk to these people about this kind of stuff.

Like it wasn't even that I was like, I didn't, I never thought like I was above it or like it was like lame.

I just didn't.

I'm I'm not going to go home and do homework and watch Naruto so that when a guy comes in and loves I'm I'm not watching Naruto.

It's not a movie.

Apparently, it's a show.

They they did have a lot of they had like going low and yeah, Lee low and stitch backpacks and Lee Low and stitch is cool to this day.

I've always said that was the only job I've ever had that I was like going to work.

I'd be like fucking shit in my car.

I got to don't want to go to work and fucking.

Insane.

Because that's like most people's like office jobs.

They're like fuck my boss and whatever.

You just have to go and hang around with dude.

When I was building fences and shit, I was in heaven.

I loved it.

It was cool.

It was fun.

I got to be on the scene.

I know that's, that's where I got kind of swindled was I was like, I I deserve a job that's indoors and then that's how they get you and the next thing you know, you're working on a hot topic.

And that way is Kubla Khan.

Have you got a shirt in a Hot Topic yet?

Full circle.

No, I don't think we ever got that.

Like I thought it was like regional.

Is it?

I don't know how that works.

Like, I remember, like my Hot Topic in Jersey, like had a varial shirt, but I don't think that would have been like the Texas one.

I think you have to do it that way, yeah.

It would have done terribly.

The, I mean, I guess maybe you, you guys, there's certain bands, you guys are also like humble with your music.

You're like, no, I guess.

I mean, I'm sure if they you're like, I probably be like, OK.

Not loose as in on topic I'm pretty sure.

I'll have no problem.

Bad Omen, Sleep Token, all that shit.

Like you're coming up with those bands where you could be regional T-shirt people.

Yeah.

I would never want how much they paint.

Yeah, I wouldn't say no.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Fuck yeah.

It would be a good full circle moment.

I would say back to the store and you can sell that shirt.

Go do a signing at the Corpus Christi Hot Topic.

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Only hot topics I'd want to have our shirts though are the ones that still have the big metal tunnel.

What's?

The big metal tunnel that's.

How you know it's an OG hot topic?

What's the what is it?

Oh, that looks.

Like the bat cave, it's like a crazy, it's terrifying metal frame.

Oh, I've never seen that.

They used to have you remember the the like demon gates they had like the iron bars and shit I.

Remember the logo?

We didn't have it in the UK so my first experience Hot Topic would have been 2016.

I don't know when they changed your.

First time here.

Yeah, 2016 and it would have been.

In fact, the very first thing I did was go into a hot topic.

Not like on purpose, but I'm.

In America I can't find a fucking hot topic now it.

Was no.

But do you know what?

There was an element of that because I'd heard of it on like movies and stuff, but it was actually, I didn't have any vans and I play, I used to play the drums in, but I don't.

Think they sell shoes?

So I went in and they didn't have any, and I had a little look around, saw all the stuff that you're moaning about, and then I went to oomies.

Well there's a store that does sell vans in the mall called Vans.

If you go in there they usually have vans for sale.

There were few and far between back then.

Full.

Circle moment.

Did we meet you like yours?

We met you in 2016, right?

Yeah.

In the studio or.

Or when was the tour we did together?

The 20.

Wasn't that 16?

Wait, which tour?

The Co headliners you in Silent Planet.

Yes, that was the first one.

Wasn't that like 26th that?

Was 2017 I.

Started the braids back then.

We did, but we met before that.

Yeah.

When you were recording in Belleville.

No match.

Would it?

Would it have been?

That came out in 2017, so it would have been then.

You had the braids.

Yeah, I remember we were recording upstairs and you were recording downstairs.

I think flipped.

Flipped.

We were down.

You were up ranging where that.

Was Will will room was on the downstairs.

Yes, and I just remember whatever the last track on Nomad is with just like the real slow riff.

Oh, he hates that one.

I remember I I still smoked weed at the time and I would go and smoke outside and then I'd come back in and you guys were still tracking that slow riff and I'd just be vibe into it.

I think that's around the same time no one got into like Stoner metal.

So I think that's why that's all the influence.

Leaked in which I wasn't against the.

Song's fine, I like the song.

But.

I just thought there's like really quiet screaming and really loud I.

Remember you tracking that as well so.

There's like quiet screaming, loud talk, singing.

I just wanted that flipped a little or balanced out.

Who acts that?

Randy or you just gave up?

I lose most battles, yeah.

I give up with Randy.

What's Randy like to work with?

I've got a bunch of questions and one of them is Randy.

Never recorded with Randy, but I fucking have known him as long as I've known every other Randy.

'S a goat.

Yeah, he's great.

He's the best.

He's.

So good.

We just got back from being with him.

We just did a single.

Did you wait?

When does that get announced?

Can we say this?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think it's anything crazy.

Yeah, you want to say it?

I want.

To say, ideally it should come out before our headliner.

Which is when?

September.

We get the plugs out of the way, OK, Right.

Yeah.

So we won't, we won't talk about it too much because it'll be out before then.

Well, hopefully.

I don't know how these things work, it's just the.

Headliner that we got on off before and we turned down, is that a different one?

Yeah.

Definitely.

I it doesn't get as far as me, That's OK.

So I don't know you.

Just text me now as you got that number now.

We're entry level knowledge for.

Whatever my new band is.

Oh, by the time this is out, yeah, I would say you're.

Done.

Things hit Isaac and trickle down to US.

And that Isaac's the.

Puppeteer.

That's a 5050 shot, if it even gets.

There's a good chance I don't even know everything coming up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But do you like that or do you not like that?

Because I I am currently the one of the two.

This is what's happening.

Let's trickle this down.

And I hate it.

I think I'd rather be trickled upon than the trickler.

Yeah, I mean.

There is a lot of bullshit though that it's like, he probably doesn't tell us because we'd all just be like shut up, we don't care.

You know, I wouldn't say shut up.

I wouldn't.

Say shut up, but you know what I'm saying?

I didn't know he was like, he's the ringleader.

Yeah.

Behind that small drum kit.

Just fucking pull in the strings, No?

He's the.

He's the absolutely he's.

The big brain of the.

Operation.

He's big, big brain business.

He's big brain music.

Thanks.

What did you do?

I'm big brain.

Let's do.

AO eights.

AO eights on a pedal.

Exactly.

Did you invent the AO8 on a pedal I.

Stole it from Gideon, told them I stole it from them.

They looked at me and said we've never done that so I have no idea where I he was.

Probably just tuning and at the same time as an AO8 went off I.

Told Tyler one time.

I was like, yeah, we got that from you.

I'm pretty sure.

He looks at me and was like, I don't think we ever did that.

Do you still do it?

Oh God, yeah.

That's the that's the most important piece of.

When we fly.

Can you explain it please to this camera?

Because some people will be in it I.

Get so many DMS about this let's go.

It's a jam man loop pedal and the technology is so bad it crashes on every computer.

So you got to be quick with it.

You just get the 808 sample, which I think Steve from the studio made.

Oh.

I've got the same one, Big Steve.

The same one.

Yeah, exactly.

You just put it on the pedal, set it to single loop and you just hit it a lot.

And for people that don't know what that is, I need to dumb it down even more just in case the big boom noise that you hear.

Yeah, which we actually did on the last, last, I think.

Yeah.

If they're uneducated, have them watch the last.

Yeah, the big boom that happens at your shows before breakdowns, Normally it's either on a backing track or a drummer will hit a sample pad to set it off.

So we stopped.

It was on the sample pad at one point but I think we're running into the issue.

I'm not a drum scientist so I don't know how it works.

We only got 2 arms and sometimes it don't add up.

He'd be like, I can't, that's physically impossible.

I can't do.

That and it's all that's on my mind.

Isaac's got a lot going on and.

You're just like, when is the next?

Yeah, so he.

Can he can improvise it a lot better.

Like there's times where I'll just be talking and he'll hit it and people.

Oh, before the set starts, we're ringing out.

I'm on 8, maybe 9, you know?

But like so Eric will set it off with his with a loop pedal instead of the drama doing it because I when dramas do it.

What you're missing out on here here is the drum science.

Even if a drummer can do it.

Here's the breakdown.

Take a take a take a take a right, that's great.

Perfect breakdown.

You can have that one.

You're only hitting one symbol.

If you got hit that that breakdown needs 2 crashes even you must know that you need it to be loud.

Impact impact.

Shit it wasn't.

The only thing I sacrifice at that is like can't do like a little kick or something, but eight O 8's cool, you're going to kick so.

There's a time and a place.

Kick for every kick you could kick on.

There's parts because I have our talkie samples and the eight O 8.

So like when the gong part comes up in the hammer, I'm on my heels when I have to hit at the exact same time together.

Are you just you're in 808 so you're doing the gong as well?

So I do 80 eights on one pedal and then we have a bigger gem man that can has numbers you can go between yeah and that has like the gong.

So you were doing all of them?

I didn't.

Know that self destruct talkie parts like the end sample so you.

Don't do to a click.

I remember talking about this last time, which is fucking amazing because every time I see you like I.

Control it so then it's if me and eyes are on the same page it all works.

It's it sounds like perfectly in time every time, Yeah.

You ever think about moving to tracks?

No.

No, when I don't do that, thank.

God, and I mean we have some tracks, but like so.

Here's my thing with tracks, if they're enhancing your set to be more like a cool vibe for live to match your album, more transitions, Totally cool.

If you can't play your set anymore.

If they go out, yeah, I got beef.

Yeah, 100%.

We just do it because we don't have a guy that can use his feet to do that.

But.

So I just I've seen yours is just like transitions and and ambiance for a live set.

Totally totally cool.

Exactly.

Nothing that could be done what you?

Start trickling members on there.

Yeah, I like, I love everyone in counterparts to death.

You've got to get a fucking basis, guys.

Brendan brought up a good point.

He said it's one less opinion.

I said OK, I.

Get that?

I guess so.

Yeah.

I mean that's true, but like, I don't know.

I'd rather have a fucking person.

I'd rather have a fucking person and like the like Unioniser in me is like there is some poor little bassist somewhere that could be playing for Counterparts right now.

So when we did Europe with them, I remember I texted Brendan.

I was like, do you want me to fill in?

Because we'll be there already.

And he's like, can you play better than a MacBook?

I said absolutely not.

He's like, we're good.

I was like, yeah.

Saying how they getting away with it, I don't get any shit.

I think the most shit they get is from me on this.

Here's the other thing again my heart take on this if you're my friends.

You do, everyone.

Yeah, if you're counterparts, if you're a Gideon, you can do whatever you want.

But if you're if you're someone I don't like or respect, I gotta be.

Fucking back in.

Tracks they just also carry too.

They're just like, yeah, who cares?

Yeah like it's like really fucked as long as you're not like, well, here's why.

It's like no, who gives a shit?

We don't want to fucking have another guy.

Here's our computer.

At least they are honest.

It's about.

Honesty.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

Once you start trying to hide it like there's no, they're not hiding that someone is just not standing there.

They're.

Just like #1 we're insufferable to be around round #2 we want more money, isn't?

Oh OK, then do what you want.

If you're that honest, I respect it.

Also, no offense, it's just base.

Literally, I get it.

I was, I was going to say this earlier.

So when we fly anywhere, I'll check base, I'll check pedals that can all be replaced.

Check is in on the airline.

Yeah, that eight O 8 pedal is in my personal bag.

If that doesn't make it, that's an actual problem.

If my bass doesn't make it, if my pedals don't, it's just base.

We'll figure it out.

So.

You're an AO8 player backup bassist, so like the AO 8 is your main gig.

Oh, absolutely.

Hot Gear, I love that shit.

Does that ever go wrong?

Yeah, like.

Once in a balloon.

So if there's no barricade, every now and then it just gets unplugged or stepped on.

Or doing fucking.

But that's cool.

I like that.

And then?

Don't say that one here.

You're going to get so many.

It's OK.

And then sometimes the little comes unplugged so I'll miss some like Rockville first song.

I think the first two didn't hit.

Click it back in, I got.

One last question on the AO8 before we do 20 minutes on AO8 talk, but I could do fucking another hour.

You got a lot of breakdowns that come in not on the one.

Yes.

Where does the AO8-GO?

On one or on?

What's the one I'm thinking of?

It's on the new record.

Is it fucking?

I think it's just low tech.

Oh, it's low tech.

Yeah.

One.

Damn.

Damn.

Where's your AO8 going?

Look, you can't remember now.

It's muscle memory.

Get those feet out.

You have like, I fucking do it out.

I don't.

Remember, I'm going to hit it on one you're going.

To hit it on one, which means you can do the kick on 2I.

Gotta get my leg up.

How heavy is his leg?

I don't.

Know, but that's the other thing live I'm I'm going to go a little extra 2 probably I think it's on drop 2 in the I think it's on the one I really.

Want to see that but.

See then in the hammer, when we count that in, that's like that, you will never and then I'll hit it on that.

On that, yeah, but.

I think his talk talking would be the one right.

I'll hit it on.

Yeah.

I'll hit it on the first note you.

Really are an 808 player an 8 O eightist?

If you ask me what note I was playing.

I mean, it's open.

Not surprisingly, it's 2.

I don't know what note that is, but if you ask me anything about the eight O 8, I got you.

Fuck yeah, it's 32 minutes on AO8 already.

Didn't even get into we.

We started this was about to go into movies with Matt Honeycutt and then we went into AO88.

O eights are more important anyways.

No, I like movies with Matt Honeycutt.

Well.

Thank you.

You were like complaining that you couldn't have a hot topic job, but now you've got like Internet hot topic job.

Do you find these movies?

It's.

Literally a labour of love, man I.

Got beef with an episode and I wouldn't have previously had beef.

The Blade episode What's?

Wrong with that one.

That one's fine.

Nothing wrong with the episode, right?

OK, You're a movie lover, right?

You love action movies.

I was once a hater of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and I did it.

I recently did it.

I did it all and it's kind of sick.

I love it.

Hey man, that's why everybody's entitled to their opinions.

Have you tried it?

I got up through end game.

The fight, you did not need to do that anymore and you're just not into it as if you fucking persevered.

I don't like this.

I'm going to watch 50 hours.

Now, but I feel like so much has happened since then and I mean after end game I was like I can, I can wash my hands, I'm good.

I don't need to keep they they ended it that's.

Kind of how I feel now, like everything I've watched since then, I've been like, this isn't it?

But wait, did you?

Because you really came in hot on the beginning of Blade episode about how you don't.

Have or Yeah, if you were to set up Blade against any of those movies, it's night and day.

Remaking it, do you?

Know he's in the new one, yeah.

I don't know.

He's coming back, baby.

Why are we sick?

People want him back.

He's great.

So wait, what is your actual opinion of up to end game still in like here's the.

Thing when it comes to marvel superhero movies because there's so many people that are just legitimate fans of it I'm like him I when it comes to that series of movies I was a guy that was just like I got 20 bucks I'll go check this out watch it be entertained for two hours not know who anybody really is I know who the Hulk is I know you know Captain America and Thor you really.

Can be at a hot topic.

Yeah, I know these people.

You guys want Hulk?

No, he's green.

You like green, right?

Come here.

But yeah.

And then then I, I watch it, I'm like fuck, OK.

And then I leave and then I take a shit and I don't remember any of it.

Like it's.

They're you've seen them all, I guess.

I saw Avengers I I well, no 'cause I haven't seen Civil War I haven't seen.

I've seen.

Anything.

Now you got to do it all.

I I I have to do it 'cause.

I was the same as you.

Did you say I don't have to do it, You have to do it.

I don't know the.

One that they fought at the airport, that civil war.

I haven't seen that one because that was when I was like, oh fuck, 'cause that was when they got big tiny in there and he was humongous.

Yeah, I was like, that looks sick.

Ant Man.

Yeah, big time.

I've never seen an Ant Man movie.

I'm not going to fucking watch an Ant Man top.

Five top five Ant Man is a top five Marvel for me.

I'm not even fucking kidding you.

Yeah, you're going to love.

Mango's blade blade Blade blade then maybe in game.

Need I remind you that honey, I shrunk the kids or that's.

Not a marvel.

Winner What's in your top No Look who's Dawkins in your top five movies of all time Last.

Time.

Last time not not this.

I've seen a lot of movies since then.

No, but Ant Man honestly is in my top five.

What do you?

Like about Ant Man, what's so impressive?

Paul Rod's funny #1.

I don't even know who.

You know, Paul, Rod I.

Know his face but I don't like watch his movies.

He's funny bro.

I.

Like the low stake ones.

Yeah, like Ant Man's like, oh, this is all crazy superhero space.

And it's an origin story, so you don't have to know like fucking Doctor Strange or any of that shit.

So yeah.

Strange man.

That's number one for me, really Doctor Strange and #1 because what I'm saying city outside of like, because I did like The Avengers movies as well once I got there, But like the movies outside of there are like sick.

And I was like, wait, these are really fucking good.

But I was coming into it.

I'm trying to sell you on Marvel.

If anything, I'm trying to sell you on Monster Energy.

But like sold.

But like, I was like, I went to go see whatever.

Like when you're on tour and it's like, I've got 20 bucks, I'll go see a Marvel movie.

And then like you're saying you're watching it.

You're like, well, who's that right?

Who's that?

What is that a reference to?

And you're like, whatever.

So it's like, OK, I'll just do them all.

I.

Mean basically what I was getting to.

It's not like I've sat through the whole do you?

Hate me today?

No, there's a there's a vibe.

No.

Yay.

Listen all, I was a.

Crazy beverage thing, yeah.

It's just your mentalized beverage that really kind of threw me off.

Fucked the whole thing up.

I was having a really good day until you told me that.

I mean the.

Day with that was a pretty heavy.

I'm also like.

Beverage OK, I'm sorry, carry on.

Next question.

No, that's The thing is like when it comes to that, when I said that on the blade thing, I'm talking about just what I've seen.

I haven't gone through the whole because there's like it wouldn't those are like fucking 40 movies I'd have to watch.

It has to be.

I'm not doing that.

Did you watch what from what?

No, I don't.

OK.

From what I've seen of the Marvel movies, the newer ones, they're fine.

It was cool.

But like, it it what?

My point was is it doesn't.

Blade is awesome.

Blade.

I think Blade and Blade 2 are fucking crazy.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I agree with the sense so.

If we're going to categorize it as like, yeah, even though that's one of the earlier Marvel movies, even to now, I still just pick that.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, if people would be like, what's your favorite Marvel movie?

People would expect me to say like, just.

I'm back in.

Yeah, like fuck it, you know they.

'D expect me to say something current, but it's like, Nah, if I'm being real, well, it's Blade.

I think Blade's one of my favorite movies regardless of what.

Blade out of it.

I mean, I've, like I said, I've seen in game.

I saw that in theaters.

Wait, wait, you didn't see the ones before it I've.

Seen that one before in game.

Infinity War.

Sure, the one where the one where Thanos gets he he gets like wished away to some.

Other planet.

You didn't watch the build up for that?

I'm such a marvel.

Fucking apology I saw.

The first Iron Man was great.

That was a good, it was good.

There is some steam coats 4/2 dog shit.

Yeah, but I I think like Matt's saying that it's the same with me.

It's like I like him because I'm just easily entertained.

Like I could watch Thor 2 and be like.

This is an 8 way.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, you can just watch him because that was a cool movie.

But I guess if you're Die Hard Marvel and you're like, yeah.

Well, I don't like and call me crazy.

Like Green.

When you start to make that many movies, it gets hard for the average watcher to know what the fuck's going.

That's like when you're asking like, which ones have you seen?

I'm like brother, I don't.

That's why I was a hater though, and I'm the only reason I've been.

Coming out for 15 years now.

The only reason I bring this up is because you you have a whole YouTube channel about movies.

I know you like movies.

But either have you noticed besides the trailer breakdowns, I'm not talking about anything past like 1999.

Yeah, that's my design.

Don't run out of movies though.

No movies list.

All 90s.

I mean, not all 90s.

I think the furthest that the one that I have right now I think is Jeepers Creepers, which was like 2001.

Which whenever I like that movie, I have a fucking movie.

Rocks.

Jeepers Creepers do rocks.

What did you say?

I don't do scary you.

Don't do scary.

I think we've had this chat before.

Hey, we tried to get you to go to the movies.

So this is the story.

We were talking about this yesterday.

You guys were all about to go watch Midsummer.

Yes.

So you're like, let's watch Hereditary.

I said absolutely not.

So we watch it anyway.

And then you guys made me watch it.

And then you all went to the movie theater.

So now I'm in the studio alone with tall ceilings, and there's that scene where she's up in the corner.

So now I have to walk from downstairs all the way upstairs in every room I walked in.

When was that?

Must have been when we met you.

Was it?

Yeah, I guess maybe it came out then.

It ruined my week really.

You guys left me.

You're a funny.

Grown man, bro.

We'll be in the bandwagon and they'll they'll like suggest a scary movie and.

He's legitimately when we were just on tour, Nick kept watching scary movies on my Netflix.

Now my Netflix is all screwed up and I'd be in my bunk, curtain closed and I'd have to pee.

But we just watched The Nun, so I know if I open that curtain, she's going to be standing there.

So I have to wait till the morning to go pee.

Then you do that.

I would not leave my bunk.

Why?

You say?

Scary.

I don't.

Get it?

But you you genuinely think that will happen?

I'm just saying there's a chance she's out there and I'm not taking a.

Reason.

Let me just tell you there is.

It's not 0.

It's fucking pretty there.

Is a chance the nun could, yeah.

But here's the thing.

If I stay in my thing, I'm safe.

If I open that curtain and she is out there, I'm cooked.

Yeah.

Yeah, true.

Nick is also the type that would go get a nun mask.

Just exactly.

Wait, who's Nick?

New.

New.

Australian Nick New.

Guitar player new.

Guitar player.

What's the story though?

Or I'll fucking know them.

Yeah, I mean, you want me to explain the whole back story of that?

You can.

Give me the whole thing.

I don't know if people don't know, Like, it's probably worth it, yeah.

I mean, well, basically, you know, some years back no one was having problems playing guitar.

I think we're always on the Thours Murder tour, right?

Stick to your guns.

Stick to your guns.

And he was like, hey, I think something's wrong.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You're doing fine, whatever.

By the end of the tour, he was like, Nah, something's wrong.

Like I can't play guitar functionally how I'm supposed to be doing it.

We're like, OK, well, I don't know.

Like, I think you're fine.

I don't know what to tell you.

And I mean, maybe that was just what I said.

I don't know, But that's.

Fine fucking man, yeah.

Just walk around the block real quick.

He'd be good.

But he was like, yeah, no, something's wrong.

He couldn't.

He didn't have grip strength for his picking hand and couldn't play.

It essentially got worse and worse and worse to where he couldn't function playing guitar.

Ended up having to get like neck surgery.

They like I think they replaced some of the discs in his neck.

He had like major nerve issues that were resulting in his hand atrophy.

Like this muscle here and this one like the.

Only ones.

Yeah, like literally pretend you're holding a pick.

It's like here and here, Yeah.

He just couldn't know where it came from.

He thinks there's an incident in Europe right before COVID.

He remembers like kind of tweaking something that just a theory.

He's not sure.

And then like, doctors were like, I mean, just your lifestyle, like this whole thing, any of it could there.

There's no like, oh, he fell on his head.

It was just like, it's kind of up in the air.

It could.

Have been a gradual thing he doesn't know.

Well, that that's what the guy was like.

They brought that what you do could lead into it.

They're like, we just don't have the exact answer for you.

I.

Mean there's people that get in in car accidents and just get a little bit of whiplash and the next thing you know they're fucked for life.

You know, you don't know.

It's just like even.

Like Josh from Stig was here.

Yeah, his same thing.

Crazy.

Half his body's still not.

Yeah.

So when Nick came in was we did that stick to your Grands tour.

And then like let's say 2 weeks later we're going to Australia to tour with Justice for the Damned.

And maybe like 2 days before, like right before Nolan was like, yeah, like I can't hold a pick for more than like 3 minutes.

And I was like, oh shit, what do we do?

And Nick was like, I already know the set.

And we'd already known him for years prior to we're.

Like why do you know the set?

And he's like, I learned it for fun and COVID.

Nice, yeah.

I was like what the hell?

He lives in Australia.

Blue Mountains of Sydney.

So you just fly him out for shows?

Yeah.

And I mean, that's The thing is like with Nolan, like it's been years and we stayed with him, worked through him, tried to get everything going.

It's just like the body's going to do what the body does.

And it's one of those things where it's like worst nightmare.

Yeah.

He.

He's good, though.

I mean, he like, he's got two daughters.

They're like maybe 9 or 10 now.

Like he's full time dead, man.

Yeah.

Taking care of his kids, doing what he's got to do, like.

Because he, he, whenever we did that post, like he hit us up on the last one was like, hey, fellas, like I think it's time coming, but I got a dip and we're all just like, it's understandable, man.

Like we, we're always going to be in your corner.

We always love you.

And I mean, Nick's been playing with us for years and we, we, we had a string of people filling in for other stuff too.

And it, it gets kind of, you know, to be a hassle when you're, you're, you're feeling like you're, you're jerking everybody around and all this stuff because you always got a feeling or like you got to teach somebody this.

But it's like Nolan legit just couldn't, He couldn't play it.

It was one of those things like no matter how much we wanted it or he was going to PT or doing whatever, It's like until his body sorts it out.

It just kind of is which, and we've always said it's like an open door policy, man.

You come back anytime you want.

It's just like.

So he's like, he got surgery, did the physical therapy, like all that stuff.

And they essentially told him it's like, hey, you get the surgery.

You can go, you, you can get back to 100.

You might hit 60% level out there.

You might hit 80% power like and he's just not at 100 again.

I think that he said that they told him that it got to 60% installed out.

You're probably not going to get any better than this right now.

Shit.

That's fucking heartbreaking.

How does that affect writing?

So Nolan was present for the last album but Randy took on a massive like Randy.

Filled in a couple of times, didn't he?

Yeah, so I've.

Never seen him stand up.

It's the same with Will Putney.

Every time I see Putney on stage, I'm like, wait, you can do that.

Randy rocks.

I'll say since I've been, I'm the technically before Nick, I'm the newest member of Kubel Khan.

That's like 11 years.

Yeah.

In those eleven years, we've probably had like 12 people fill in on guitar.

It's pretty crazy because I.

Mean whenever he had his his daughter too.

Yeah, he was gone for like a year.

Something I guess with like someone like Randy though, who's very much like Will like I don't know if that specific to Kuber Khan, but Will is like the 5th member of straight from the path.

So when we're.

Right.

Randy's a lot.

Of we.

Are writing like if you took Will Putney away from straight from the path people would realize I don't think they realize that how much we do with him yeah.

Producers that can play No.

Absolutely, Randy.

I.

Got no fucking riff for this section?

Well.

Do the fucking riff.

Yeah, Randy, definitely, you could argue is that same thing.

Oh yeah, without a doubt, man.

I mean, and that's with oh fucking.

Did that just move right now it.

Turned Yeah, this place.

Haunted.

Thanks.

You got to tell me right now if there's a ghost in here.

He.

Talks about the nun and then shit starts moving around.

If that goddamn nun pops out of here, you hear that?

I do hear that howling there's.

There's something howling in the headphones right now, I said.

Fridge.

I'm not.

I'm sure it is.

Yeah, sure, it's fridge.

It's got to be.

Are you sure?

The haunted fridge Listen.

I want to send you a fridge.

It has a beast in it and it must be unleashed.

You know if anyone will keep some of that in.

The light moved and Eric's now scared.

There's a ghost.

Yeah, that's what they do.

We can't prove there's not that's.

What I want to you got any actual paranormal experiences?

Yeah, I'll avoid it.

What?

Do you mean you'd avoid it if?

Something even starts.

I'm just walking away.

Has anything started that that light moving right now?

I don't know.

That's is are you going to be, you see my Milwaukee one?

Yeah.

OK.

I'm a I'm not he's.

Probably heard this a billion times.

It's a good.

Story.

And these people haven't?

Well.

Here's the thing.

I don't know what it was.

I'm not.

I always preface with this where it's like I, I it's an unexplained event.

You'll.

Know where it is?

It's.

All it is, you know what I mean?

So I wake up out of the van, right?

We're playing the Rave in Milwaukee.

The Haunted Rave.

Yeah, OK.

Keep in mind, I didn't know it was haunted.

Nobody told me anything.

I just walk.

I asked some of the guys that were like helping load in.

I was like, hey, where's the bathroom, man?

I got to use the bathroom.

They pointed me to some bathroom that was like down because that place was mad.

Do you do you know the venue?

Well, yes.

So you know the it's not the basement, it's the middle room, Yes.

And you know, if you're on stage and you just went straight back to that back wall, it's that bathroom he's talking about.

OK, right.

And this is the Rave in Milwaukee, which is the swimming pool underground, notoriously haunted.

It's where people have died.

Someone would kill across the street.

I forget his name.

Jeffrey Dahmer did his first victim in that hotel, which means the dragon neck went to the hotel room last time we were there.

You're.

Pushing your luck doing that shit.

We'll come on to that in a minute.

Go.

So I don't, I don't think anything.

I'm just like, hey, I got to use the bathroom, right?

So I go in that little bathroom and to my knowledge, from what I remember and all this shit, two stalls, right?

And you walk in and the sinks are right in front of you, and then the stalls start on the left.

So you have to kind of cut that corner to get to the stalls, right?

Yeah, both stall doors are open.

No big deal.

So I sit down, I'm doing my business, and I hear somebody come in.

No big deal.

They go in their stall, close the stall door.

I'm like, you don't even think about it when you're in a bathroom because you don't think it's going to be haunted.

Right at this time, I'm done.

I'm finishing up, I'm getting out.

I come out and I use the sink that's closest to the door.

And it was just one of those weird moments where you're like, like, what the hell?

And of course, as that's happening, out of the corner of my eye, the stall doors open.

There's nobody in that bathroom.

And the thing about that bathroom is it's so compact.

If someone were to have left, I would have heard every bit of it.

They would have had to have gotten past me because I'm at that sink.

Unless they're just like the stealthiest people in the world, which I don't believe that that would have been a thing.

I can't explain what I heard.

There was someone that came into that bathroom, closed the door, locked it.

What did the footwear sound like?

I.

Didn't see any, it was all audio.

Yeah.

What did you, what did it sound like?

It sound like a like a Victorian pair of shoes, like a cloppy cloppy clop or what was like.

Flip flops?

Really.

No, I don't know it was.

Surfer.

Some surfer that died.

But I just, I got this weird like where I was like, man, like lip.

Flops from the pool, drowned in the pool isn't.

Actually for I don't that's The thing is like, but you can't.

You just heard someone coming.

I.

Heard somebody coming.

I like Jangly.

It's not like every time.

I do know how many shits I take and every time I go in a public place, I'm not like, what the fuck is this guy wearing?

I have to hear everything.

Like at the time I wasn't thinking of it.

And I'm like, whoa, OK.

A few times.

I was like, that was weird.

I wasn't like, oh, God, I was like, that was real strange.

Like, that gave me a weird vibe.

I'm going to like, tell the guys, right?

So I go outside and I start telling the guys.

And those loader dudes were like, yeah, you don't know about this place.

And I was like, what?

I guess this is like on TV, there's almost haunted places in America.

And I was like, oh, that would have been nice to know because I was like, I don't know what happened, but I can't explain what didn't happen.

Ghost, you know what I'm saying?

Ghost poop, quite literally.

I wonder if you didn't know if it wouldn't have happened.

I wonder if the ghosts knew.

This guy doesn't know where haunted.

Let's fuck him up.

I don't know, but that's The thing is like I spent a long time after that trying to sort it in my mind and just be like, I just missed something.

That's the ridiculous.

I just miss him but it's like.

The odds of that happening there?

That's, well, that's The thing is like.

No wonder he was scared.

I don't have an answer.

That's why I still to this day I'm curious about that particular situation because it's like there was no clear answer that jumped out.

There wasn't something.

That was like you went into it being like, oh, this place is haunted.

I hope I see something.

You're just trying to go.

To the yeah, that's what I mean.

Dude walking around in there when there's no people it feels strange the.

Swimming pool is terrifying.

Yeah, like that bit we've been down there.

Two or three times, man, and every time it's just you don't feel good down there.

I have one, I'd say true paranormal experience.

Sorry, Eric.

Where so when I was a kid, a friend of mine, I had another friend who was like who lived on like a, like a, like an old mansion thing.

So we would all go when he would, when his parents would go away, he would throw a party and then we'd all like go through our friend and be like, oh, let's go to your mate's house.

But it was like he went to the posh kids school and we didn't.

So we'd have to like be like, well, let us go to your mate's house.

Anyway, we went there broad daylight.

There's this it's like a old, you know, the story, like the wind in the willows.

You know that story.

It's like some it's this old, like kids story.

Anyway, the book the Manor in the wind in the willows, this big toad lives there.

It's based, this house is based the, the house in the book is based on this house.

And they've got these big outdoor, like outdoor Victorian tennis courts.

So they're inside their buildings, but there is a tennis court inside, but it's like a really, really old Victorian building.

And we, we went in there in the daytime and super spooky because it's like unused and you could hear people's shoes squeaking like they were playing tennis.

And it was like broad daylight.

I wasn't high.

It wasn't anything.

And you were with other people, with other people.

And we were just in there and everyone could just hear it.

And it was just like every now and again you would hear the squeak.

And then one time we heard like a, or someone trying to get a, a like fucking ghost playing tennis.

It was terrifying.

Yeah, and they're just having a tennis game.

They don't even they.

Weren't even not scared, you know, it could have been a severed.

Head.

Yeah, you could have been.

Oh, that's true.

Take your headphone.

And then that same day, later than not that night in the kitchen, I was retelling a scene from the movie Chopper.

Have you ever seen the movie Chopper?

No, I would love it.

No, it's it's, it's a Barry.

Gore movie or something?

No, it's Mark Chopper Reed, who is an Australian, the most famous Australian criminal of all time.

He cut his own ears off in jail.

Eric Banner plays him.

It's really funny.

It's a great movie.

Anyway, in this movie, he's like, he gives this guy 10 seconds to get to a door or a kill him.

And I was just like reenacting the movie to explain the scene.

And he just counts to 10 and I count all the way to 10 explaining the scene.

And everyone's laughing and like, oh, wow.

So like he stops and says 666.

And I was like, what?

And everyone was like, yeah, you just counted to 10 and you said 6 three times.

I was like, no, I didn't.

I said six months.

And every single person in that room was like no you said you started on 6/6 times that's why I went 12345666 like the fucking heretic anthem.

And everyone was like what the fuck?

And I was like I don't remember doing that.

And we saw the ghosts earlier that day fucking freak me out.

Yeah, I feel like that shit sticks with you for life too, man.

Why did he cut his ears off?

To try and get moved to a different prison and it worked.

It's crazy.

So they think it was crazy.

Great.

Yeah, it's a fucking amazing story.

I'm going.

To get off that part.

He was listening to our new record.

The movie is sick.

Oh, we should probably talk about your record.

We've done 56 minutes on 80 eights.

Oh man, Mark, who cares?

About that, we got to do it.

We got to do it.

You know, they got an album.

What's your album called?

Is it?

Exhibition of prowess I want.

To talk about features, no, you've got 2 features, right?

Yeah.

Dave Peters.

Yeah.

Jamie Jaster.

Jamie Jaster.

I mean, for me would be a golden goose bucket list feature, Yeah.

Was that the case?

And do you have other golden goose features that you would like to get?

Yeah, I thought, I thought it was dope.

I in retrospect, I kind of wish that like I could have given him a more like showcasey part, you know what I mean?

But with the record and the what we wrote and all that stuff, it was kind of like at the time that felt like a pretty good spot for it.

And I, I think it's dope.

I think you could put him anywhere and it's going to be dope, you know what I mean?

His voice is just amazing.

Did he write his lyrics or did you write his lyrics for him?

No, I wrote him.

You write him and said Jamie Justice Singers.

Yeah.

And he was firing him.

Yeah, it was dope sick.

I know.

Well, you said that Somebody you'd like to have on you.

Yeah, man, I was thinking I was telling this and I want to get Randy Bly Blythe.

I think they'd be sick because we just.

Yeah, we did a track with them they released, as well as with Alex from Malevolence, so I think they'd be pretty dope.

Even having Alex on it would be dope.

I was on their fucking record.

Oh God.

Oh fuck.

I could do it.

I'm in.

All right.

Come on, I'm in.

Randy, I'm in.

You've been you Got anyone that you'd love to have on?

Has anyone ever said no?

Not really.

I don't think so.

We haven't really asked a ton of people.

I'm more into like, there's no like golden goose, like I don't look up to anyone that much in that sense.

But like for me, like, OK.

Like when we had like, Zach from Left Behind and Jay, yeah, I'll say reign supreme Jay because that's how I knew him.

Yeah, like since they're friends.

Not Barbara Jay.

Well, it could be Barbara Jay.

Could be Barbara Jay NJ lot of Jays, a lot of like to me, like those I love Reign Supreme, I love Left behind.

So for me, those were cool because it's like, these are my friends and I'd like love their music.

So like stuff for that gets me more excited as opposed to just like a big name.

Not that the big name stuff's not cool, but you?

Must have someone that you would love.

We asked Zack Villarroca on every single fucking album and he says no it doesn't.

It doesn't even get as far.

Same with Gino, every album.

They say no.

Doesn't even get there, I don't think.

Like you don't think it actually makes it to them personally I think.

So just go and just say no.

If if it's just like just to say it's there, Weird Al would be sick but that like.

He.

Say you guys would be shocked how much we listen to Weird Al.

We are about to me.

Weird.

Al, you've seen the movie.

Have you seen the movie?

I actually.

Haven't seen the movie?

Here's.

The Movie.

Oh my God, he wrote someone.

Where he's wearing like the Rambo goose suit.

It No, it's not actually him.

Oh oh, you're talking about fella from Harry Potter plays.

Yeah, no, I haven't seen that.

Weird Al has a movie of him being silly.

Oh, no, I'm talking about the Daniel Radcliffe Weird Al.

No, it's written.

I'm pretty sure it's written by Weird Al.

And it's like his autobiography, but it's completely fake.

Like he dates Madonna and shit like that.

It's fucking awesome.

Yeah.

Do we know his real name?

Oh, Weird Al.

Weird Al Yankovic, real name.

Please.

It's probably just an Al Yankovic.

You're a fucking movie head.

That movie's great.

And you're like weird Yao.

Yeah, weird Yao weird.

You're like Will Will weird Yao Ankovich.

Yeah.

Alfred Matthew Yankovic.

That's my boy.

That's Weird Al.

He's imagine him over a breakdown.

What would you get him to do?

Would you get him to do an old song?

Definitely some accordion.

I wouldn't.

Want him to put us in his next angry wipe of polka remix?

Yeah.

Like if he could do one of our songs, I'd love that.

That could happen.

Yeah, that song plays probably two or three times a tour.

We play it.

We all know all the words.

Albuquerque.

Yeah, Play Albuquerque.

Oh.

We've listened to these songs in the past 48 hours.

We we listened to a lot of Wesley Willis.

Who?

Wesley Willis?

Rock'n'roll McDonald's.

Oh yeah.

Nolan loved him.

He.

Passed away, I heard.

ROP Yeah, sorry man.

We thank you.

We also listen to a lot of, I guess, music that's not good, but it's funny to be to listen to it.

So like what?

Like, I mean, arguably it's not good.

I want to talk about me by.

Want to talk about Toby Keith?

Toby Keith.

I knew you'd be.

Married to him is it?

Dead.

Yes, when he died.

I think last year.

Oh, so I can talk shit, I guess.

ROP, Toby Keith.

But like, we heard that in a gas station and we were like, this is the most ridiculous song I've ever heard.

And then we listened to it on repeat for like the whole of a drive.

Do you?

Remember Kazaa?

Yep.

The the illegal streaming or whatever it was back then.

Yep, that was the first thing I tried to download.

Was the music video for that song.

Really.

Yeah.

Mine was pornography.

Mine.

Was was Toby Keith?

Why the video just to?

Say yeah, I like music videos.

What?

Happens in the music video.

He's talking about him, you know.

Mine was that this actually gets reference on another episode which I don't think is out by now.

First thing I ever searched for on Cazar was lesbian porn and I just put it in and there's a Janet Jameson video that's just burned into my retinas when I was about 13 at the time I.

Was like working on blinking park and shit.

I don't remember because it was like.

Limewire because pirate.

Bay.

Right, Morpheus.

They were all the same.

All the same, I was.

Like ringing a bell.

How old are you 33 How?

Old are you 30?

4 How old are?

You Maybe it was in that golden year there.

38 fucking old boys.

I'm old.

I remember Napster.

Yeah, See, I had all my music on Napster.

Well.

Napster was the one that went illegal, right?

And then no.

What was the one I?

Thought he was Justin Timberlake in that movie.

He was you know what, Someone bought Napster recently for like $200 million.

Do you know about the prison iPad music app thing?

The what?

Just have a friend who had a friend in jail and I guess they he had like an iPad and they have like a streaming app for them really.

And he was like, oh, like I listen to your buddies band Kubla Khan.

He's like that was cool.

And he's like, like, what songs do they have?

I was laughing.

Because they they don't give them the like hit.

Where they go?

It was like like river Walker and like Saltwater, like track like 8 and 10 off albums.

They're not giving them like.

Wait so it's like a it's a legal streaming thing for all?

I know is he had some form of iPad and they give them some type of music streaming app but they don't give them the hit they don't give.

Them the hit, it's just like the karaoke like.

They'll they'll give you like the B sides.

You're not kidding like I.

Wonder if that's a publishing thing.

Some people are just like, we can't give them the good songs, they're criminals, let's give them fucking track A.

Punishment thing like you have to sit through river Walker.

But it's just like when he told me the songs, I was like, that's crazy.

I was like, I don't think we've played any of those live ever.

Yeah, that's funny.

Well, yeah, it's kind of cool that that they can listen to our shit in there, but I do wish that we could listen to something better than that.

We got a lot of songs.

I just.

Thought it was interesting.

I was like, that's kind of funny.

If, if it's on purpose, if it's like, if there's someone overseeing that being like.

I was thinking like, like I'm 30 minutes.

It was like an illegal thing.

But like, how are you sneaking an iPad out there?

No, I would imagine it's kind of like the jukebox at like Waffle House.

Like they just have like a certain amount of shit and what you gets what you get.

When you're on your way out, like you're being good, you're not like in like hard lockdown.

It's like you got, yeah, like a little iPad something.

Pretty cool.

It might be like an achievement you get or something for being good.

You can unlock the iPad.

For this tunes, that's actually quite nice.

It's not the hits though.

Not the hits.

You must listen to the B.

Sides, it's all the flunky songs.

It's all.

You need to talk about your new fucking album.

We need to.

We need to fucking talk about.

It if we have to.

Give me the Give me the story.

I have to pretend that I that you haven't answered this a million times the.

Story.

Empire 2.

Go ahead.

So you no one cares about talking about their band's music, but these people care.

The rough idea for Ampile to it's kind of been in a long time making so originally.

How bored he is.

I had.

Steve, I hate our shit.

I had Steve send me Ampile backwards because I was going to make classic.

Steve moves.

Exactly because I wanted to, but.

We already had it I.

Wanted to make a video of just like trying to hypnotize someone with ampile backwards because I thought it'd be funny and then I was like oh ha ha that is funny.

Never got made but I still have the track.

And then I think it was just a conversation.

One day I was like it'd be cool to do amp pile but with an actual breakdown.

Example one's not quite a breakdown.

Arguably the whole thing is a breakdown, yeah.

It's not your standard mom and pop breakdown.

It's not.

Ampile taking it even further back.

Ampile was never supposed to exist.

It was a joke.

If it didn't exist I'd be so mad when.

We go ahead.

You've heard the remix from the studio, right?

No.

With the trumpet that.

Was that was.

Another that was.

Steve, that was.

Steve and Manny do.

You remember Manny?

Yeah.

Yeah, he played.

Trumpet.

We recorded Ampile.

We went to bed.

What real trumpet?

I thought there was gonna be a There's a trumpet you'll.

Have to hear it.

It's a trumpet.

It's crazy.

And then we went to bed, woke up the next one, and there was like in the Dropbox, like Ampile remix.

This is a classic Steve move.

But go on with Ampile too.

You're good.

Well.

The original Ampile when we when we first were kicking off this is before we had a record or anything we had we wrote 5 songs all bullshit.

They never ended up using any of them.

This was so far back but we wrote amp pile but we were like this is too stupid we can't ever release this.

This is a joke.

This is.

Pretty me.

So I've been in 11 years, they wrote this.

Before I was one of our oldest songs, and that was years ago.

And then whenever we were writing Nomad, when it was on it, we were like, well, we should put an intro on shit.

And we're like, whoa, we have Ant pile and I think that it was.

Always called Ant pile.

Yeah, and we prefaced it.

I don't fucking know.

That was like probably the working title.

We have a lot of songs like, like he said with the Hammer, The Hammer.

That was the working title for that song, because we were.

When we recorded Nomad, we watched all the matrixes.

Yeah, so they were all named after the ships.

In the matrix.

From the Matrix, though, at least three of the songs were.

So then at one point, the working two, we were right in the hammer and we're all just call this one the hammer.

And then like problem got done and that was like, yeah, the hammer works.

Yeah, nice.

Probably because I didn't want to take the energy to try and rename it to something better, but it worked.

Didn't you do a hammer for merch as well?

Yeah.

Kind of sick.

Why do you hate everything your band does?

I don't.

I love it you.

Didn't.

Yeah, we did that.

That's cool.

We didn't know shit.

It's cool.

Yeah, well, you you write a song called a hammer.

You should release a hammer.

Yeah, well, we did Ant pile very least one of those we.

Just did.

Did you see the the?

Ant farm the.

Little vinyl we just put out, we did.

7 inch covered in ants.

Oh yeah, and it's Ant pile one and Ant pile 2 and that's it.

Does it have ants in it?

No, you didn't do the jar of that was.

Discussed, but then it was like, no.

Did you?

Ever see the ones where they have like blood in it?

Yes.

It's cool if those ants.

Jar of flies has like they were dead flies.

You know it's one of those.

Should have done that, boys.

There was a genuine thought of would people like, be mad?

Animal cruelty because there's ants and shit.

I'm not a scientist, I don't know.

And it was brought up.

Animal cruelty.

And let me tell you that ants for CNN.

I'm sorry, it's dead.

Yeah, especially.

Fucking God damn house.

I I imagine Scott Lee trying to find like a an Ant harvesting farm be like, we need 10,000 ants now we're fucking printing them on vinyl.

I mean, there's a lot of ants around, yeah.

Another good Scott looking for an animal.

The hammer was never supposed to be the single for Nomad.

Really, it was.

Supposed to be belligerent but music video for belligerent needed to have a rat in it.

There was like a rat shortage in LA.

Really like a you got to release the hammer first.

That music video is done.

No rats.

What's crazy is I love when he tells stories like this, 'cause I don't remember.

Yeah, you.

Checked out.

It's like we did.

Keep checking we did you want to be here?

You want to go.

No, I'm, I'm we.

Did both songs at the door in Dallas.

Like we ran to the venue.

Did like all the live shit for it and it was like, yeah, a bludgeon.

We're going to get like a rat.

And we're like, yeah, OK, cool.

Rats are cool.

Pretty sure the rat was just stock footage though.

They didn't even film a rat, no.

They had to or I don't remember, but either way they were struggling to find a rat so they were like hey, in the meantime.

All the rats were booked up we.

Just got to put the hammer out.

Jacob Lily was busy.

And now, now the Hammer was like the fucking biggest song.

Which we did not expect when it came out it.

Wasn't it?

Wasn't we were just like, oh.

OK, that's cool, man.

And then that was the song that popped and we were like, damn, good move.

Because we didn't think that was going to be the track.

We thought Belligerent was going to be the track.

Thank God there were no rats.

Thank.

God, there were no rats.

While we're on Nomad then can you give me the 8 year story?

Can you can you give me that?

What aspect?

Ideally the whole thing.

So from what I understand, yeah, the song is about, I don't know the specifics.

Someone who did something very personal to you.

Yeah.

And you call him out by name.

Yes.

In the song, Yeah.

And I don't want to.

I don't as a respect, I don't want to like say what I think it is because I could be I.

Can give you like.

Give me the.

Give me the.

Picture here.

So just I remember the year exactly.

Well, never No Mac came out.

It was eight years.

Ago it was 22,009.

OK, yeah, so my brother was driving home from his girlfriend's house and a drunk driver ran a red light and killed him.

Yeah, fuck.

Yeah, that's what I thought it was and I didn't want to like.

So I might actually, I think 8 years is also the the the sentence he got.

So I think it was like it was 8 years since it happened and he only got 8 years for it.

OK.

Insane.

Yeah, so at that point, me being in the band, I didn't do much on new strength because I was like, brand new to the band, kind of in the studio.

You're just kind of like, I don't even know what I'm doing here.

Like, this is crazy.

So Nomad came around, You know, we have all these songs, Matt's writing lyrics.

So I kind of like, take a swing

at 1:00.

And then yeah, like that night I wrote eight years and I was like, hey, like, I don't know if this is cool, you know, still kind of new to the band.

Like, do you like this idea?

And everyone's like, yeah, this is sick.

Like, we like it.

Yeah, so wrote that song has sick breakdown in it.

Full government name call out.

Yeah, it's the hardest thing I've ever heard.

So recent now.

Yeah, that dude, Facebook messaged me this past December.

Fucking hell.

And the the.

Guy.

This guy that killed your brother?

Yeah.

And just goes like the message says, yo, are you Sean's brother?

And in my head, I'm like, you know who I am?

Like, that's such a, like, if an apology is on its way, like, crazy way to start it.

Yeah.

Yo, it's fucking.

Insane.

So in my head I'm like, I like, I'm never going to respond, like I, I don't need to hear it, you know, blah, blah, blah.

So then it I have a flashback now to a few months before that at my tattoo shop, there was a bad review and someone was like hey, like send a picture of the Google review and they're like hey, like who did this one?

Like this person's pissed.

And I look at the name and at the time I was like, I have no idea who that is.

This dude DMS me months later and I it all starts coming back to me.

I'm like holy shit, that's his wife so.

Tattooed his wife it it.

Wasn't me, I don't know who did the tattoo, but in my SO now I'm like, holy shit.

I wonder if this dude like could have been sitting right next to me in the the tattoo shop I work at.

And then I was also kind of laughing.

It was like, it's kind of funny.

His wife gets I've had tattoo.

I'm like, yeah, well, you kind of married a guy that killed someone.

You know, I'm not probably plenty of other people out there that haven't done that.

Was it legitimately a bad tattoo though?

Because you said someone came in and said who did this one?

This is not cool.

There's no picture.

It was just like they're like I'm, I'm not happy.

But yeah, just like all came circle.

I was like looking at the name, looked at the D, like the Facebook message, yeah, put it all together.

I was like, it's.

Insane.

What would he have done if he was in the same room?

I'm not an aggressive person.

So I mean, I don't.

I really don't.

That's why I didn't message him back, because in my head I was like, what do you say?

Yeah, because, like, people are calling.

Forgiveness is the first step.

I'm like, I'm good, you know, Like, yeah, you know, like me, my family, you know, we're doing us.

I got my own family.

Now I'm doing that.

I don't.

I don't need to talk to him.

So he just left it.

Yeah, because what could you say as you.

Would.

Yeah.

And also opening with Yahoo like I know my name.

The message was.

I don't want to invite in this apology but like yo what's up man?

Like I know you killed your brother, but.

Well, not only that, but it's like Facebook's pretty good with that stuff.

There's like a, you click it, it's like siblings.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mutual friends.

It's.

Pretty fucking easy I.

Think you know who I am?

I.

Wonder if you've seen the lyric?

The extra crazy part of the thing, I had a friend or just an acquaintance I ran into.

I hadn't seen him in years and he was like talking to me.

He was at a counterpart show in Philly.

And then I was like, oh man, good seeing this guy.

I haven't seen him in like 10 years.

Crazy.

Then he finished the conversation and goes, hey man, this is going to sound weird, but like I'm actually friends with like Thomas.

Like he's actually not like a bad dude.

In my head.

I was like, OK.

Again, insane saying that to you.

Yeah, I was like, that's.

A bad dude.

He just like, that's crazy.

You just said that to me.

That's and I haven't talked to that guy since.

So I was like, that's fuck.

But now I wonder if that was like he was like, oh, told him that's why I messaged me.

Yeah.

Fuck.

That's one of those things you just just leave it, man.

There's nothing to fucking say.

I.

Mean you wrote a fucking song about it.

Yeah, I put it out there.

His name?

Like I got to say, it's the hardest thing.

I think anybody like your man is renowned for being fucking hard anyway.

But when someone told me the story behind that song, I was like, this is like the hardest thing I've ever read in my life.

Yeah, full government fucking name.

And then that fucking slammer of a breakdown.

So sick.

Yeah, yeah.

And it was at the time too, it felt good to finally like, contribute something musically to the band and.

That was the thing.

Like he said, whenever he came to us with that song, I was like, yeah, man, if this is something you feel really strongly about, no one would stand in your way on that.

Like, go for it.

It's.

Like, obviously it's, I'm fucking like horrified to happen to you, but it's not like coming to the table with like, I want to write a song about how like, they're putting chemicals in drinks.

Like, it's not like a lame, it's like a fucking lame idea.

Yeah.

It's like, yeah, here's this fucking horrible thing.

Yeah.

It was nice.

It, like I said, it felt good doing that and then also like, that's a pretty good song.

Great song.

It's a fucking bank.

It's an absolute banger.

Tell me about the single you just reported.

Yeah, well, it's, I mean, we're just doing a single for right now because we just did the record.

And my father, I say father and uncle because he's my he's my great uncle, but he is my grandma's brother.

But he's my adopted father, OK?

He's.

Say all of that again for me.

My grandma's brother is my adopted father.

He adopted me when I was 18.

I grew up with him since I was about 3 years old.

He's best man I've ever known.

My best friend always will be.

No one will ever top it, right?

If people follow me on Instagram or anything like that, they've I posted stuff because he I had to move back to Texas to try and help take care of him.

But it's, it was mostly just to spend time with him because it wasn't the kind of situation where there was a lot of he needed, he needed care on the way out.

It wasn't like there was much to do, you know, because he was 91.

He had cancer already for three to four years.

Like he was, he was doing everything he could, you know what I mean?

But that's what the song is about.

Just like it was really eye opening for me because I've lost.

I was talking to matters.

They're like, I'm the last one in my family.

Like if, if, if I were to to get a wife and you know, I, I meet her parents and her side of the family, it's like, OK, yeah, cool.

And when it's my turn for them to meet mine, I have nobody.

You know what I mean?

No one.

Nobody.

Zero.

That's it.

He was the last guy.

Holy shit you.

Know what I'm saying?

And it's one of those things where it's like watching him die, you know what I mean?

But I don't know how to explain it without sounding cheesy.

But it's like, it was so strong, you know what I'm saying?

And I, I, this, this is a dude that I used to before I had friends when I was a little kid, would have sleepovers with him and hang out and he'd read to me and just grew up with this guy, right?

But when you're in the position where it's like now I'm looking down at you want a bed, your bones and you're dying.

You know what I mean?

You don't know what's going on or who I am and all this shit.

But he's still just like, to the end was strong.

And we ended up going to Europe and doing all that because we've still had our, our European headliner.

And I'd already talked to the the nurses and stuff at the nursing home and I was like, Hey, you guys deal with this a lot.

You guys know when someone's on the way out, be real with me.

And this lady, just stone cold rule of me, she was just like, yeah, he's going to die.

Like she said that a lot of people will wait until their family isn't around anymore because they don't want them to see it or to hurt or whatever the case is.

She's like, you come up here every day.

You've been coming up here every day to spend time with him since he's been here.

He's holding on, you know what I'm saying?

And that's kind of what the song is about.

And sure as shit, we go to Europe, we land in Germany, right?

We go to sleep that night, I wake up the my phone was on the floor too, so I'm not hearing it.

I had calls from the nursing home and one of our family friends and I already knew it.

I was like, OK, they're, they're calling me for one reason.

What is it?

So call them back and they're like, hey, he's dying.

Like, do you want to you want to, you know, what do you want us to do?

Kind of shit?

And I was like, wow, I'm going to go home guys.

Like find a fill in.

We had Jay from guilt trip fill in.

He fucking smoked it, saved the tour, saved all that shit because I was like, right.

Fucking dude, yeah.

The whole band, everybody's great, you know what I mean?

And my band knew that that I had to go.

There's no, there's no force on planet Earth that was going to restrain me when it came to that shit.

Because he was still alive.

They said they had to put him on oxygen and all this stuff.

And I was like, man, like you just start thinking about all the times you had where you're like, fuck, this is it Like there's actually now a point of exit.

You know what I'm saying?

So I we, we stayed at a hotel.

It was at the airport, right?

So I had to go back straight into the airport that we came into.

And this guy, I don't know his name, don't know who he was till this day.

I'll never forget him for the rest of my life.

Got me on.

I just told him roughly the situation.

I was like, I got to get on a plane man, and he sorted it fucking on his computer running the places, got it done, got me on a flight within like 20 minutes of leaving or whatever the case is right?

So I went.

Where were we at?

It was.

You literally were in Europe for like 12 hours.

Yeah, it was just fly to Canada.

Yeah, we did out of Germany to Dublin, Dublin to Montreal, Montreal to Dallas.

So I'm, I'm like OK, every time we land and I get Wi-Fi, I'm like what's what's going on?

Everything's cool.

They're like he's asleep, he's just stable, whatever, you know, I'm sorry, I keep burping.

It's fine.

And we land in Dallas and I'm getting my shit.

And my family friend calls me and she's like, mad.

I'm like, God, all right, why?

I already know.

OK.

She's like, yeah, he he died about an hour ago.

So I was probably over Texas soil when he passed.

And this, this kind of leads me to the point where the song is about this moment is why I'm talking about it.

But she was like, OK, well, Fisher Funeral Home can either take the body and you don't have to see it, you don't have to do anything.

You can see them whenever they clean them up and do all this shit.

Or I can request and keep in mind this was midnight one in the morning ish.

And I still have to go from the Dallas airport to where I live.

And my best friend was already waiting for me at the airport.

He was picking me up to swoop me back and all this.

And I was like, yeah, leave the body.

Like I want to see him, You know what I mean?

And it was just nuts because I go there, it's late at night, everybody's asleep.

The lights are all dim.

The nurses just, like, start crying.

They're looking at me, like, sobbing.

And I, I love the guy more than I've ever loved anybody in my life.

And I was like, it's OK.

Like, it's going to be all right.

You know what I mean?

Thank you guys for everything.

So I go to the room.

His roommate is a guy named James, sweetest man on planet Earth.

They even asked him like, hey, do you not want to be in the room while he's dying?

And he was like, no, I want to be right next to him.

Like, that's my friend and it fucked me up, you know what I'm saying?

So I go in there and James is in there.

He sees me, we hug and shit, and I just sit there with him.

And my uncle's body is right there.

And it's so wild just seeing the person that you love most on earth gone.

But they're still there, you know what I mean?

And it was the thing.

I remember touching his ears.

I'm like touching his hair.

And it just looked like he was asleep.

They'd taken all the stuff off of him.

They pulled the blanket up.

He was looking good and it was just this, there's certain things that occur in your life.

I think that that really they'll just jerk you in a different direction and your life is now going that direction.

That was one of those moments and I, I thank Larissa, she's a family friend for telling me to leave the body because seeing him and I was just like, dude, like that's him.

That's that's the guy that taught me how to be me, how to how to love, how to hate all this shit like is through him.

And now he's gone.

And that's basically what the song is about.

Like the song is called the Mountain of Corsicana, which Corsicana is where he was buried because that's where his family's buried.

And basically he's the mountain, you know what I mean?

And it's just like that dude was all of like 5 foot 65 foot 5, just the, but like spiritually tallest guy I've ever met.

Just a fucking beast.

A mountain.

A mountain, you know what I'm saying?

And it's like.

I fucking need a crock there I'm.

Not, I'm not trying to get too deep on it.

It's like.

Oh, close up.

It's just.

Fucking tear joke.

This might be the only time I ever get to explain what that song is about and why it means so much to me.

Plus, it's a rocking track.

It's got breakdowns and shit, you know what I mean?

It's.

Hard to like when we were in Europe, like trying to relay that to people too, because it's like we didn't want to cancel.

Yeah, yeah, Because, you know, guilt trips or not guilt trip, you know, like gates to hell, like everyone on the tour, like they're all screwed out of my.

So it's like we got to make this work.

But like trying to explain that that's.

The first time in Europe as well.

Was it or No, It's not.

They've been before.

But like, a big fucking tour.

But it was just like we didn't want to hurt anyone else and.

When I had specifically told them.

We went into this tour like, like every tour we've done in the past year.

There's been that, hey?

There's the chance you know, and I told them no matter what, doesn't matter what the fuck I'm doing, do not stop the tour.

I can handle what's back home.

I can sort it.

I had the whole situation up through his funeral and burial, them giving me his military flag, all that shit within 5 days.

And then I came back, did the rest of the tour, and everybody was a sweetheart to me.

It honestly helped the healing process with a lot of that shit because I'm still not over it.

I may never be over it completely because it's just life.

That's what happens.

But it's like, he's exactly right.

Like we were just like, keep the train moving, man, Because that's why he would have wanted to, you know what I mean?

He knows it's coming.

I know it's coming.

We prepared for that, but it's like, you know, it sounds corny, but like the show must go on still, you know what I mean?

I want to like, obviously you don't have to explain this, but you said there's moments in your life where you go on a different trajectory, sure because of something and you said that that was one of them.

Do you know which sort of different direction you took or just your out outlook on life was different?

What?

What changed?

Yeah, I mean, essentially it just it, it just changed how I view all this shit.

I mean, it's one of those things where I, I've, I've always been close with him.

He was always, even growing up, like the house that I lived in when we were growing up had like 8 of us.

He was my guy.

If I needed advice, if I needed stuff, unfortunately, like I didn't go to my mom, I didn't go to my grandma, I went to him.

He, he was the one that I wanted to model myself after.

So the biggest thing for me was when he passed, it's now like now you got to do it.

Now it's on you.

You have no one to ask.

You have no one to lean on.

And it was the first time my entire life that I felt like I'm alone.

You know what I mean?

Like, this is it.

I, I now no longer have someone to fall back on like emotionally, socially, like he was always there.

So it was a, it was a big pivotal point where it's like, Nah, man.

Like you got to, you got to clean this shit up.

Like you got to start doing better for yourself.

Start thinking about your own future.

You know what I mean?

And I mean with him, like I said, being really my only family member that I, I had, that I fucked with and wanted to have in my life, it's like he kind of got a course correct when it comes to not having him around anymore.

And I hope that answers the question.

I mean, definitely does.

I'm sorry that happened.

And I remember hitting you up when it was happening and you were fucking hurting.

But it was very wholesome, all this stuff.

And was it Japan that you cancelled at some point when he got sick?

After part to or.

Yeah, it was.

We had four show.

I don't want to.

I don't want to take up too much time on it, but I'll still tell you this too.

It's.

Like we had four shows left, right?

I was trying to, I had got a new phone in Nashville.

We're playing Nashville, right?

I'm the most low tech guy.

That's I don't know how to set up my phone.

I don't know how to fucking narrative.

Yeah.

And my buddy Trey, who was from our area, he lives around here, was coming to the show and he was helping me out.

And he was like calling, like sorting it for me because he's a tech guy.

He knows all that kind of shit.

And he was like, hey, we're going to need like, this password for, like, your account, this and that, whatever.

So I was like, OK, well, let me call my uncle real quick.

I call him.

And every time we would still keep up on tour.

But like, I called him and he sounded like he just woke up from a nap.

And I was like, man, I was like, you just wake up and like, no, I've been awake.

I'm like, are you OK?

He's like, yeah, I'm good.

I was like, OK, well, I need some information from you.

Get the information.

No big deal, right?

And I'm in the back of my head, I'm like, that was a little weird, right?

So I was like, I'm going to call him back about half an hour and if he sounds the same, I need to get the bottom of this because he sounded bad, right?

And so yeah, I call him back and he sounds like shit.

And I said he's the type of dude that will bullshit you too.

He's like old school, born in the 30s, did not give a fuck.

He he could have his arm blown off and he'll be like, don't worry about it.

You know what I mean?

And I straight up as a feel.

Like you definitely got that from him.

That's AU move.

Yeah.

You know, I would think so probably, but it was when I was saying this is the only time that I ever heard him be vulnerable was I was like, listen, I I need you to tell me right now.

Fuck these shows.

Fuck this stuff.

If you need me to come back, I can do that right now.

And he literally just goes please.

Oh man, that's fucking heartbreaking.

I know.

And I told the boys I was like, hey, I'm I got to go.

We had like an.

Off day, so it was like got to go home early before Texas.

Went back when I opened that door, he had lost probably another £25 he had.

And I, this is something that I've, I want people to know the situation, but it's like I would never want him to hear this and think badly of himself because that's not the case.

But it's like, I walked in and there were trash bags on the floor because he was still trying to clean up after himself and but he couldn't, he couldn't operate the trash can anymore and like, take the trash out.

So he would put stuff in these trash bags and then they would become too heavy for him to lift.

So he just had in the bedroom, the bathroom, the living room, the kitchen trash bags.

And I was like, why didn't you tell me this?

Why didn't you call me?

You know, I would have been here in 15 seconds.

And he just said, I don't know.

And he's like, I'm sorry.

And it's like, holy shit, brother.

Like I'm moving back.

I told Billy back in Tampa I was like, brother, I got to go.

I love you, but I'm dipping.

He said, I hope you move, man.

Like he came and helped me do some stuff and like get everything sorted.

We had to put my uncle in a nursing home because I'm not a nurse.

I couldn't help him.

You know what I mean?

I tried that within a day of being there.

It went from, hey, I'll contact the VA.

We'll see if they can maybe have somebody come out and clean for you to help you do this to.

Within 8 hours I was like, this is escalated.

You can't take care of yourself because I had to buy him a whole new set of blankets because he was having problems with his blankets.

We're sitting there on his bed and I'm trying to be real with him about stuff.

Just messes his blankets.

I said brother, like we, we got to figure this out.

Came back right in time.

On time though.

That's the thing I think about.

In an alternate universe where I would have said it'll be fine and I go to Japan and then that motherfucker stops texting me one day, that would have put me on a trajectory that would have jerked me into a direction where I would have hated every fiber of myself.

You did the right thing.

I, I hope to God I did, man, because it's there's, I've done a lot of wrong too, but it's one of those things where it's like, I would hope that that would be seen as something that I've done right.

And people can see that like you cared, you know when you tried, because a lot of mother fuckers don't even try.

You know what I mean?

If you didn't, if you did just been like, Oh yeah, it's going to be OK.

Like you probably wouldn't be able to live with yourself.

I wouldn't say I wouldn't have.

It wouldn't have.

The statement, by the way, that you put out when you were not going to Japan, Yeah, was fucking rare by you guys.

But like, so hard I can't remember what it was.

You like reference like how Japanese culture treats their elders in the statement.

And I was like, oh, I want to March from this fucking horrifically horrible statement.

Well, that.

Was the thing was like it was only like 3 days or something, but it's like.

Yeah.

Something happened in those three days, I.

Told him I was like, if there's a culture that I think would understand where I'm coming from, it's y'all and I I say with nothing but respect.

And that's why we're going back.

I was so thankful when they asked us to come back.

Where are you going?

A week?

Yeah, like a week.

Fucking.

Jealous we're doing 2 shows in Tokyo.

Blood Axe is the fucking best, yeah.

So I, I don't mean to take up too much time on that, but that's that's the mountain of Corsicana.

That's what it's about.

Like I said, if this is the one time I ever get to tell people how great he was that didn't know that's what it is.

Am I allowed to make one edit that's happened?

I want to be here.

Don't think I don't want.

To be No.

Everyone gives a fuck about that.

Oh God bro, why do you think I don't want to be here?

I don't.

Really think that it was just funny I.

Know, but I was like oh cool, I've been talking about this.

Dude, you want me to cut out me saying do you want to be here or you want me to cut out all the bits where you look like you don't want to be here?

Or I mean half the video, I'm just.

Kidding.

No, I just want you to know.

Like I've I've.

I think so.

I want to be here.

I don't.

Want to be here?

Otherwise you wouldn't fucking be here.

You don't have to be here.

I just I've been.

Talking about this you.

Came back to do.

It well if I if I if I look stern or bored you.

Don't at all.

You don't at all.

I'm really sorry.

No, no, I just.

Want you to dance right?

I I don't think anything twice of it, OK.

As long as people don't think I'm, I don't want people to think I'm not hard.

To keep this being I wanna so I'm giving this bit.

To be here this.

Bit in here I didn't I'm I'm only busting balls yeah, I'm always busting balls but.

That's The thing is because I love and respect you a lot.

That's why I say personally, I just want to be like, duh, idiot, you know, I'd fucking be here.

I I know and I'm like, you didn't have to be here.

This is a fucking supposed to be a day off or like a.

Week off.

What an invitation, my wife and kid.

You're supposed to walk.

With my wife and kid.

Yeah, you are.

You're pulling him away from that?

Yeah.

When do you go back?

I have a vacation starting in like 13 hours.

Where you going?

I got.

To drive back to New Jersey.

And vacation in New Jersey.

Me, Sam and the baby were going to Shenandoah, getting a cabin.

Where's that?

Virginia.

Sick.

He's doing a lot of travelling little.

Cabin thing.

What's having a kid like?

It's sick.

Mabel's the sweetest little gummy bear thing.

How old?

Like a year and a half.

She's awesome.

She is a great baby, yeah.

What should be using?

What should be using babies?

I think babies are awesome.

You ever think you know baby you?

Want a baby?

I was great with babies.

I would love to have kids.

My ideal dream is to be on 80 acres out in the woods in my own little house and cabin with like 7 kids running around.

That'd be great.

I want to be done.

A lot of monsters to keep up with that.

They're all going to be Monster Name and every one of my kids Monster Dog.

Whatever can be called Ultra Gold, whatever it's going to be called White Monster, you know?

Give them a letter to spell out monster there.

You go, we don't stop having kids till we spell monster, you spell.

Monster.

That's the whole thing.

We're going to live in a lime greenhouse.

Every lights going to be lime green.

Wait, forgot to do this.

Oh, live shift.

Monster Energy, unleash the beast.

Let me turn it back to the What colour do you have I guess.

Purple is that one.

It was this one.

That's the one I feel like I'm used to seeing.

The content, Simon mate, clean it up.

Thank you.

I love you.

I'll just Simon's great.

I'll just ramble and then say, can you make this because?

Simon, it always comes out.

Yeah, he's a ghost.

He's the guy.

He's the one.

Flipping the light around.

The guy that fucking moved that, I feel like we talked enough about music.

That's fucking great.

Thank God you can talk about other shit do.

You want a kid?

I got one last thing.

What did you just say?

I didn't say anything.

You laughed.

You laughed.

Yeah, I'll be dropping loads that.

Rocks.

Real quick about that, me and Sam always talk about how weird it is when you tell your family you're trying and they say congratulations.

But already like well.

Just like if you're going to your yeah, you're like like when you guys have kids.

Ohh.

We've been trying for a few months now.

Like you say that to family and you're like you just told your mom it's you're just dropping.

Fucking nonstop.

I'm fucking.

And then they go shit.

Out.

Oh, that's.

So nice, like I'm happy for you guys.

It's like.

What a wild.

Like why it's so accepted?

Are you guys trying?

Yep.

No more back shots.

Dad, father-in-law.

There's no more back shots, that's what.

I'm saying it's such a awkward.

Like I it's cream pie's only normal, but it's so awkward.

I would.

Say with pride.

I'm cream Pie and your daughter.

Maybe like it's been 4 years, we're still working, yeah.

We're still going.

I'm like 38 now.

I want, I don't want to be like fucking 60 when my kid fucking goes to school, you know what I mean?

I got #2 coming.

You got #2 coming.

A boy, boy and a girl.

He's completed it.

After that.

After you're going to get a snip.

Oh God, yeah.

You both tattoo artists?

Yeah.

How long I?

Think I just hit year 4.

Year 4, yeah.

I'm probably year 3 and that's, that's what I tell people.

I was actually telling one of my clients the other day.

I'm like, it's so crazy with both of us touring, it's like, on paper, yeah, been doing it about three years.

When it comes to actually just being gone all the time, I'm like bro, it's probably.

Like a year, like a studio.

Of of of practice.

Yeah, of doing it on a human being, you know what I mean?

So it's like it is cool to be able to do that kind of stuff and it's awesome.

It's it's, it's a great time.

But with touring it is I think it's difficult ish it's.

All about finding the right person because I feel like 90% of shop owners would be like, no, yeah, like you're not.

Like my shop is is 3 buddies from my hometown where I grew up, one of which is like one of my closest friends who I've known forever.

If if people listen to our our EP our first the first music we ever put out called Youth War.

The cover is a dude's mouth with his teeth opened up.

That's my buddy Jace.

That's the guy that owns the shop.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like and where.

Is the shop.

It's in Sherman and we were having this conversation at the mall earlier where it's like we both get stressed out.

We're like fuck, man, like why are these dudes keeping us around?

We're not, We're not around.

We're not helping with this shit.

But it's like he's my I, I, he brings me down from it so often when I'm like, dude, I just feel this level of guilt.

Yeah, because I'm not, I'm not providing.

I'm not helping you in any way.

And he's like, dude, shut up.

It's fine.

He's like it's.

Cool though you're cool people.

It's.

Cool.

It's like I said, it's about getting lucky.

Like my guy, like the shop guy that owns my shop, Ian, it's the same thing.

I've known him forever.

And then like I'm home and I'm like, dude, like I feel so bad.

I've been gone.

He's like, you're fine.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it is also bringing an element of coolness to the shop, like this guy from Cuba.

You, you guys are so modest about your back.

I.

Play bass.

You play.

The AOA you.

Play the AOA.

Let's get the record straight.

No, but that's like that's it's cool.

The guys from Cuba Con and that's cool.

That they allow us to do it.

They're cool, you know what I mean?

And it's like.

Mutual cool theft.

You just hang out with your boys all day and and it's, it's, it's for.

Me at least.

Well, with you too, because that's.

Where you live, it's a sense of familiarity.

You know what I mean?

It, it really just brings it home, literally, you know what I mean?

Is it?

Have you ever like really fucked up like I?

I could never.

Yeah.

Yeah, I could never.

To this day, I could never imagine the pressure of doing it.

I'm sure some toe artists would never imagine the pressure of playing a show in front of people.

But like the pressure of putting something on someone's skin forever.

I couldn't do it.

There's no way I could do.

It is funny like you're saying, they the pressure playing a show.

There are so many people I'll meet like, is it tattooing?

And touring is nice because you get to meet all these other great tattooers at these awesome shops and stuff and you like end up meeting them and you're like, damn, like you're so good at tattooing.

Like I wish I could do this all the time.

And they're like.

I want to.

Do what you do.

And I'm like, like the world's are so similar, but it's like.

The the the brain skill set for me, like you guys have got both of them.

I just couldn't plug and do it.

There's no way.

One, it's like you're saying the the 2 worlds.

I didn't realize it until I I started getting into tattooing.

They're so close together, like some I got a burp again.

And all of us in music think have like this mutual respect for tattoo artists, and then they have it for musicians.

It it's literally so similar, like I've always talked about like a convention feels like a Warped Tour.

Yeah, it's to go.

They're the cool bands.

There's like these bands like but it's like tattooing like same thing like you'll meet like you got the band that uses all in ears and tracks and they're at their private studio and then you got like they're.

Doing the anime portrait.

Exactly.

And then like that's like your bands like that.

And then you meet like the trad shop guys, you're like, Oh yeah, there's like the dudes like like we're just, we played with Incendiary the other day, just like just a.

Trad tattoo shop, Yeah.

Just like dudes just doing it for fun, like no titles or just yeah, I love this shit.

I'm doing it.

Fuck yeah.

You know, it's like, it's like the world's are just so similar.

Do you both do American traditional?

Is that like your go to or you're just doing whatever?

I'd say that's my go to but I can do like other shit I can do.

Everything I can.

Do I can do like realism?

Yeah, shit.

And finally stuff from.

I just like 2 forms of tattoo art, Japanese and American traditional like I'm just obsessed with like.

Which I think I think all everything is is beautiful and all these people that are, you know, artists and doing their stuff like even with anime portrait stuff like I don't really.

Know oh I'm not this and that but it's like fucking dog it's mind.

Blowing.

It's a whole skill set I can't do, yeah.

I, I, I see, you know, reels and stuff of people doing like start to finish and even seeing the, how they implement their skill set.

I'm like, holy shit, you know what I mean?

It's it's such a vast world now, especially through social media, man, because you can just pick and choose all this kind of crazy shit.

But it's like, that's why it's nice.

Like I think it's similar for your shop where it's like my shop is, is like that.

It's just three other guys are just, they pull up on their fucking bikes.

They just love blasting some tats and it's a good time.

There's, there's not a lot of deep thought to it.

There's not like nobody sitting there talking about, you know, like art theory or anything.

But when it comes down to it, all these dudes are geniuses at it.

They just know they're just built for it.

You know what I'm saying, to be able to be in a shop like that and be able to learn with guys like that and absorb as much as you can.

Like I was telling him, like I still ask Jayce questions constantly.

I'll be in the middle of something like, brother, please come here.

Like, what would you do?

Like, what do you think of this?

And I just, I never want to stop learning that shit.

I never want to take it for granted because like I told him, you know, we all do.

Like I would like to believe that he and I for sure we we definitely got silver spoon with this shit.

Yeah, there's no doubt.

There's I, I will never tell anybody that.

Like, no, I, I got into tattooing because I'm just good at it, Motherfucker, I suck.

Like I got into it because people enjoy Kubla Khan.

Yeah, but you have to be out of draw.

You have to be out of draw.

You do you do every tattoo wise.

I know that can't draw is bad.

I've always been into art man.

I I in high school I got voted most likely to become a famous painter.

You know what I mean?

Nice.

That's something I still carry around with a chip on my shoulder.

And now you're hard to do it.

And blasting Wizards on dudes chest before I go, you know, and it's like I.

Really do.

I could really do it.

One of your Wizards.

Yeah, and I, I, I do love art and I do enjoy it, but it's one of those things too where it's like, what are we talking about?

What was the point?

Just.

Being careful what you say, like I, I say the same thing when people ask like how did you get into it?

And right around like I got lucky.

I'm like, I got lucky.

IDM this dude Nick who's looking for an apprentice.

And I was like, hey man, I got no portfolio to show you.

Like I don't really know much if I really want to do it.

Had you done a tattoo at?

This point and he just DM me back and said are you in Kubla Khan?

And I remember looking, I was sitting next to Sam.

I was.

Like I literally.

Looked at Sam.

I was like, I think I'm good, which is so like, again, I got very lucky.

And I got a hot topic.

Yeah, you know.

I'm saying, you know how I got into you.

Don't always want to pull the fucking out, but sometimes you do it, you know?

Every single Disney park next week for the price of on the House.

Every single fucking worm because I put it on my story.

I was like anyone got the hook up for Disney?

Ends up so many people that work at Disney following me.

Well, that's a thing.

I like to believe that as.

AI love you, all these people give us the opportunity.

Yeah.

And it The thing is like, we very rarely, we're not the type of dudes that are like, oh, you know who we are, You know what I mean?

And it's like.

It was like a English Frankenstein.

Well.

You know what I'm saying?

Because the shop that that I'm in, I already knew I've toured with several of the artists there because Heather Herrimetal was there, Trevor was there, you know what I mean?

And I ended up meeting Billy, who is a guy that that ended up teaching me shout out Billy, he's the fucking best.

And it was one of those things were like, we were just real with each other from the start.

It was just like, he's like, do you know, And I was like, brother, I've never touched an iPad.

I don't know, I, I draw everything on a piece of paper still, you know what I mean?

He like brought me into the 21st century with all this shit.

And it's one of those things where it's like, I was just thankful that someone was even willing to.

Take a chance.

Yeah, take a chance, man, Because it's like, yeah, people could be like, oh, you know, you're just in a band.

You just want to do it because of of this reason or that reason.

It's like when it comes down to it.

But we've always thought it's just that would be sick.

And it's like he's saying people look at what we do and they're like, yeah.

But that it's like, Nah, man, fuck, I want to be tattooing in a shop the size of a shoe box with three in my buds.

That's the time.

I think as well it, it kind of does yourself a disservice to say you've got silver spoon because these people want to help you #1 because you're good people that they are already friends with.

But there is like an appreciation.

Like to bring it back to the fucking Disney thing.

It was like anyone that replied to that was just like, oh man, like it's the least I can do.

Like thanks for all the podcast.

Like that's the same thing like you guys.

Like I said.

Music, it's not just like, oh, they're in a band, they're cool.

It's like I fuck with their music.

I want to help them.

Yeah, and, and again, I'm super grateful for it.

Yeah, we're.

Thankful.

Like I need.

Two Kublai Khan tattoos.

We need to fucking make this work.

Maybe we'll got to do a little.

Travel.

Gotta put it on the fucking podcast today.

I thought, I honestly thought about asking and I was like, I'm not going to.

I'll be back in September tattooing literally around the corner from here.

In Nashville.

At kind tattoo is.

That the one you just went to today, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, book me in, baby.

I will.

I'll pay actual money too.

And that's the other thing I feel like tattooing is since I just like doing.

I feel like I suck at charging.

I'm pretty bad at it.

Well.

At least you're not like those fucking the people that do the really thin ones and they're like 4 grand I.

Don't think I've ever charged more than like 250 for a tattoo.

Well.

I finished tattoos all the time and I'm just like, well, 150 bucks, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, it's like I just it is tough you.

Don't do hourly, you just do per piece.

I just love it.

Yeah, I'm just glad anybody even shows up.

Yeah, if they pick something I want to do, I'm not going to be like, yeah, man, that's 600.

Has anyone ever made you do a Kublai con tattoo?

Brother, when we did, we played a festival, right?

And it was a a festival slash tattoo dungeon.

Yeah, awesome.

We tattooed at it from like doors to like.

We had to be like, hey, our set's about to have.

To play in 20 minutes, we tattooed a ton of people it.

Was one of the best days ever.

Yeah, it was fucking so sick.

But we we were sharing a booth together.

What was it while?

Playing late at that day, I was.

We were headline.

Tattoos.

Oh yeah, the Matt did a couple Kubal kind of tattoos.

Yeah, he's like you got AI had a I had the TX in my line drawings because I had done it in Jersey a few times and then people just were like got table going through a line book and like they found it.

I think Matt did like two or three I had.

Three in a row and I just like to.

Throw that line drawing, I told.

Us, I said take that off the fucking table otherwise I'm going to be doing TXS till we fucking play.

I even told that guy I was.

Still doing on him.

I was like, this is awesome.

And I was like, Bubba, I don't want let's let's do these and then let's let's because there's plenty of bad ass art, man.

You don't want to get the fucking, you really want the TX on you.

And it's like.

But I get I understand getting the tattoo from the guy in the band is sick.

I definitely though everyone I've done, I'm not complaining, but just like since we were at the fest playing, it would have probably turned into just.

That's what I was worried about is that everybody that walks by is like, oh he's doing the TX and then for the next, for the next 8 hours.

I'm.

Doing this single from like

11:00 AM till.

8 or 8 just.

Put the TX next to anything you drew, almost like the band name.

Like you had to add the TX to the band.

You just draw the yellow which.

Even then, Wizard Frog.

And it says TX next.

Thankful that that people even wanted to get it, but I did.

I did make sure and tell them I'm like hey brother, like let's put that under the table.

Put out.

The put out the heater work.

Let's put out some cool shit, you know what I mean?

Because like we're only there for a day man.

And if I if so be it if if every tattoo I do that day is the TX from our logo brother, I'm stoked.

If you like it, I love it.

But at the same time, if I'm being real, like he was just doing bad ass shit over there and I'm like.

Fuck, you like span it Just like, why don't you?

Do you like a fucking hammer or an anvil or you know, like.

There's more subtle things like I've done.

So many anvils.

Yeah, I've done quite a few.

Hammers and anvils are like once a week.

But I'm into that, that, yeah.

I like that hammer more.

It's subtle and you can you can make it your own my.

Favorite needs?

Tattoo Wizards, What's yours?

Eagles.

I've done the stray lighthouse though.

Love.

A good eagle.

I don't even have one of those.

Don't fucking need it now.

I have a stray from the bad tattoo do.

You I have a tattoo.

I forgot what you got.

Little Clippers, make your own history.

Wow, I.

Don't.

My favorite man.

Fuck.

Well I'm sorry for your loss.

Fucking dead.

Yeah, the 2nd tattoo I ever got.

Straight tattoo that's.

Fucking sick.

Well I'll get a cubic on tattoo and I'll make you do it.

Except yours will be a wizard.

The.

CX, yeah.

You can be casting.

Can I get a wizard that's yeah, perfect, that's fucking locked in the.

Empire Wizard.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What?

Was that?

We had an idea where Matt would draw a wizard jerking off and I'll get it.

The come was the tabs to Ampile.

Is that done yet?

Is that done?

You have.

It's you're on the.

Studio have it I.

Drew a wizard and it's like a goofy he looks more like a gnome but I drew a goofy wizard with just a hammer Dick just big out and I was like it would be easy just add that shit on there.

Boom, you got a tattoo or.

Lock me the fucking, I'll get it.

I'll save it just for you 'cause guess what?

Nobody's picked that one.

Ever.

I'm in.

I'm in.

Full full cock out full.

It's a Curry.

It's a good Dick too.

Yeah, I ain't getting it huge, but I'll get on my leg.

OK, whatever you want.

Fuck yeah.

Always wanted like a tattoo.

Remember when you're like a kid and you'd see like a swimming pool somewhere?

There'd be like a fully grown man.

You're fucking looking concerned.

No, I'm just not going anywhere bad.

No, go ahead.

Remember when you're a kid?

Because I went from Dicks to kids.

I thought you were worried.

No, no, no.

No, and you would see like a person with a tattoo, which was like something rude, like and maybe not even a Dick.

And I'd be like, oh, that's kind of cool.

I want to be that guy at the pool that has a Dick tattooed and people are like what the fuck?

Yeah, my other uncle growing up on this arm had and this was this was back.

He got this in probably like 9293 maybe just got this bad ass like Smokey wizard holding an orb.

And I would be as a little kid and he was like a big muscular dude.

I like looked up to him and shit.

And I would always look at that.

He was the only tattoo he had.

And I'd be like, holy shit.

92 Wizard.

He's ahead of the game.

Yeah, I always use the example of there was some kids that lived across the street and I I was raised in my grandma's house.

She was strict Catholic.

I couldn't have soda in the house, right.

She I would have to go look at you.

I know that monster to fuck up.

So I would have to go to my friends houses to get exposed to the cool shit, right?

And there was some kids that lived across the Creek from me, right?

And I would always going to go hang out in their dad's garage with them because her dad had like swimsuit posters up.

And that was one of those moments where we talked about trajectory, where I was like, that's what I like.

I want a garage with bikini girls in it, you know what I mean?

Do you have that?

Alan Jackson.

Alan Jackson and George Strait, but still, you know what I mean?

So it was one of those things, like between the bikini girl posters and the wizard orb, I was like, I'm formulating what I want out of my life, you know?

And now it's like, yeah, I got a garage.

I could put bikini girls in it, and I got a fucking wizard on one arm.

So things are cool, you know?

Do you have any boobies on you?

No, me neither.

Maybe you can get the wizard boobies.

Do you like a good boobie tattoo?

You got boobies?

Yeah, I don't think I've got boobies.

Yeah, I got boobies.

No, I don't think so.

Yeah, I forget I.

Think I have any that?

Humans, I was.

Going to say if you're at a pool, they'd be like what the hell is that the.

Fuck is that?

Yeah.

I mean I don't want to like some people that have like I've seen a fair few like graphic blowjob like realism ones.

Yeah, I don't understand that and.

They look a bit correct, but like a cartoon pair of.

Each tattoos were like.

I remember seeing those quite a bit on Instagram for a while.

Everything bondage bondage anime ones would be.

Pretty they'd be like in.

A square and shit and just that real graphic.

I always forget what I've got like the other day I think.

I was trying to think, because I've got some space to fill on my site and I was like, what should I get?

And I was like, oh, I don't have a Panther.

And then like, I was just like assumed I was just getting a Panther and that was it.

And then about fucking three days later.

I like randomly looking at my hand, I think.

About to say 30 seconds later.

It was like 3 days later I'm looking at my hand, I'm like oh fucking panda, I've got to forget.

Got an eagle.

We're like 3 sharks.

I got snakes.

Suck my asshole.

So many fucking snakes, hey?

Man, it's all cool.

It's all this.

Cool shit.

Yeah, do you?

Regret any of your tattoos?

Just placement.

No same.

Younger being like putting something somewhere you should have saved through something cooler.

I did the fucking opposite to what normal people do because I thought I was being smart at the time.

You know when like everyone's like, oh, don't get something small when you're, when you're at least when I was a kid, I'm like, you don't get something small.

So I like I got the worst fucking like Japanese chest plate thing from a place that would tattoo a 17 year old and it was just dog shit and now like I'm fucked.

Like I have my full chest done but it's like not symmetrical.

It took a while to recover it.

Was just fucking like it looked like shit until I filled everything else out and then now people don't realize it's shit.

They just when you get to a certain amount of tattoos, everyone's like, oh, that guy's got cool tattoos.

It's like, why don't you look closely at any of them?

They're all pretty bad.

Yeah, the more you get, it just becomes a thing instead of like, well.

That's the thing, like all my, I've just gotten tattoos from my friends.

I pretty much every, besides the 1st tattoo I ever got, every tattoo is by somebody that I was friends with.

And like that's, that's kind of where I'm at with it is like I just want to get tattooed by my buddies.

I think that'd be the most fun thing.

Like I don't really have anybody in mind where I'm like, oh, that's a bucket list thing.

It's like I got my friends, they do good.

I like them.

And it's, it's I would much rather spend my time with them and, and support them with what's going on and everything.

And, and vice versa.

There's it's, it's a cool kind of trade off thing.

So I don't know, I don't regret any of my tattoos because every single one of them except for my first one, like I said, yeah.

And I like my first one.

I just didn't know who she was, you know what I mean?

But like, they're all, they're all cool and people don't like them.

Fuck them.

I got a couple of bucket list tattoo artists that want to get stuff off you two number one, and they need to be Kubrick, Eric.

English is actually my bucket list.

You.

Can't fucking do it.

You don't.

You must have a million off each other.

You can't afford me.

There we go, money.

I had do you know Moores from he's in Leeds.

He did this on my neck and he did a bunch of other stuff.

There's oh, you probably can't see you got a beard.

Beard as a snake must be.

Nice girl and.

He also did like these fucking.

Arrows.

Yeah, to the neck, right?

He doesn't.

He was on my bucket list and then now we're boys and he like does downbeat merch for me, which is fucking cool.

That's a Greg Ultron, if you.

Like the big monkey on the back of the stray hoodie Moors.

That guy's sick.

That's yeah, he did this.

That hoodie's awesome.

He's fucking awesome.

Yeah.

And then that Greg Ultron guy, I think he's in Austin.

You know what I mean?

American old school guy.

Nice.

I want to get something from him, you say.

In Austin.

I think he's not.

Too far from where I live.

I think our favorite tattooer is in Baton Rouge.

Shout out, shout out, Boo Driscoll and the gang.

Trading Post Tattoo is like the coolest shop you could go to really.

It's awesome.

We both have their local.

Our our headliner.

Yeah, we both got our our headliner artwork.

Oh, the flyer for the headliner is him.

That's fucking cool.

He's the sickest dude.

I've only been to Baton Rouge once and.

I go that.

Little venue, venue, you know what I mean?

Like the stage is in the.

Corner the one that's talking about, the new one that's not.

Chelsea, Really.

Nice, right?

That's the new one.

That's really nice.

I'm.

Talking about this is like, I don't know, shouldn't have shows.

We played Shreveport a lot before that didn't really go through.

It.

Baton Rouge too much What?

Shreveport.

Yeah, Shreveport's there.

That's right when you get across the border into Louisiana from the Texas side.

In a different world, I'd like different life.

I'd go move to Baton Rouge, really.

Probably the humidity.

I mean, I live in the.

People there, there's some cool people there.

Yeah.

Plus like I always tell people that there's, there's a line on the United States like temperature and weather wise that I, I want to live below because living in Arizona and then also living in Florida, but being raised in Texas, it's like I'm good on that.

Whatever, whatever longitudinal or latitude in the line or whatever, I'm cool with that.

I don't like snow.

I don't like having to drive through that shit, so I'm bad.

News is in that.

Area.

I like, I like being from the Northeast.

That's why I said different world.

I would live there because I do hate the heat.

You hate the heat.

See, I'm new to this because I lived in, obviously, I lived in Britain in my entire life and I fucking love it.

It's perfect.

Like waking up when the sun's out and it's like heat.

Give me a jacket.

You.

Fucking me your jacket going.

I mean that is actually one thing that I miss is like hoodie weather because it doesn't really exist.

There's like 2 months of hoodie weather, maybe 3.

I feel like you've from where you grew up though you've you've had enough hoodie weather for the rest of your life.

Probably you.

You deserve so.

Many fits that rely on the you know, I've got so many jackets that rely on having a hoodie underneath, but look at dude, that's it.

You're.

You're stacked.

Show those arms off.

It's warm outside.

Heat it up.

You know what I mean?

Did actually go to the gym.

So I hurt my fucking shoulder at the gym today.

I I.

Doing.

Shoulders.

Shoulders.

I hurt my shoulders.

No, I shouldn't have went to the gym because I told you I wasn't going to go.

And then I like, I was like, I had 45 minutes and I was like, I'm just going to go to the gym.

See that to me, that's why it killed me where I was like, you were like, oh, we got to start

doing my 2:00.

I was like looking at the shit.

I was like, bro, that's like an hour and 15.

I was like, yeah, technically we could do that, but I was like, if I'm going to hang out with you and we only get one day together, I want to spend some time, man.

I want to talk.

I'm going to like have a good lift that that we're not feeling like the whole time.

We're like, well shit, we're about that.

Me waking up late fucked it and this fucked it we.

Did the opposite of the gym.

Oh, God went.

To cookout.

Went to cookout then got massages at the mall.

What?

Do you get nice?

Would you get a cookout?

Because we've been like flirting the cookout.

And then we look, I look at the menu and I'm like, I don't know what to get here.

My tray is I'll do a big double burger.

You have do you know what the tray and all that.

You know how it runs down?

Yeah, but I know it doesn't have ribs.

No, no, it's like cafeteria.

Yeah, it comes in foil.

Yeah, I'll do a big double burger and you have to say add cheese, because I think if you don't, there's no cheese.

Interesting and.

Then my two sides are hush puppies, cheese curds, and then I'll upgrade my drink to a Cheerwine float pretty much every time.

Sometimes I'll talk about my creation real quick.

You order hush puppies and a corn dog and you take the hot dog out and you stuff it with the hush puppies and you call it puppy dog.

Puppy dog.

Nice, nice.

What's your order?

I, I just, I get a big double burger with cheese and then I get 2 of the cheese quesadillas with extra sauce because it's, I, I utilize those like they're French fries.

You take a bite, take a bite.

You know what I mean?

Because you famously had beef with Chipotle on the podcast.

Yeah.

And they're not.

It's not getting any better.

It's not getting any better.

No, I hate.

That's why I texted you yesterday.

I found a good burrito spot in case you wanted a burrito.

It's like.

Having a falling out with like a good friend, It's not where you're just like, what the fuck happened to you?

You know what I mean?

Your life is is spiraling and I'm having a watch.

I don't mind if I go in to Chipotle and I can like eagle eye, like what's happening and really fucking have a good look, but anytime I like DoorDash, Chipotle it is.

The crazy thing is if you Uber eats your door dash Chipotle it becomes like $50 minimum.

And it's way worse than.

By the even just scientifically the fact that it's sitting in some other mother fuckers car for X amount of time before it gets to you, it's never going to be as good as when you're just sitting in there doing it.

The problem is now you could literally eat it out of the tray they're serving it in and it still sucks.

Yeah, but and also there's no like implied fear while they're making it because they this faceless ordeal when they're just making it for an order.

They can just I'll just put that in on it's a little bit.

Whereas if you're there and you give just just I'm not like, you know, like abusing anyone, but like just a slight air of you better make this fucking good do.

You know, the quesadilla beef.

Beef as in like, hate not.

Beef as the actual No I don't.

From who?

It's just the online thing.

Yeah.

Tell them what's?

This hit me.

This pisses us off so bad.

So if you want a quesadilla and I walk in Chipotle, you're my guy.

I'm like, hey, can I get a quesadilla?

You're going to tell me I have to order the quesadilla online even though the machine is right behind you.

They're like, we don't you have to order online to get a quesadilla.

We can't do it.

We.

Saw this happen in real time where he I.

Literally looked at the I didn't argue, but I was just like, I was like, can I do the quesadillas you have to order online?

And I was like, this is.

A new thing, Yeah.

And I was like, isn't that the machine behind you?

He's like, yeah, but that's where to go orders like, we can't do it.

And I was like, you won't.

I was like, you won't turn around and do the quesadillas.

He's like, no, you got to do it online.

What?

Are they doing to these quesadillas in secret?

He's saying because it's a different line, even though it's.

It's like, OK, we'll get the guy that wanted that.

Line and ask him.

To do it please.

Interesting.

So you have if even if you're standing there in person, machines right behind them, ingredients right in front of them have to order online.

Bloody hell, as we'd say back home.

Jesus, some things in life just don't make sense, man.

I've.

Been watching Diners, Dr.

insurance and dives before bed every night.

Diners, Dr.

Insurance and Dives.

Is that the correct I've?

Never seen it.

Triple D, you know that you've.

Never seen triple D.

No, these fools have just been watching Kitchen Nightmares on repeat, and that's my first time watching that.

But I like Bar Rescue because I like what's his name.

John is the man John.

Taffer rule God.

I've never seen He's holier, I know that.

That's is it not a thing in the UK because Nick had never seen it and he's in Australia.

Never.

Never even.

Because he was watching Kitchen Nightmares.

Kitchen.

Nightmares for bars?

Yeah, I was like, I'm about to blow your goddamn mind and showed up.

John Taffer, he lost his mind.

He.

Rocks we'll.

Check it out What?

Were you saying our dive drives and?

Anyway, we've been watching it like before bed and I just, it doesn't matter if I've just eaten right there, right then and I'm going to bed.

I'm hungry immediately.

Yeah, it's American food by design, baby.

She's too good.

Do you have any restrictions or eat everything?

Eat everything.

OK, I eat absolutely everything and especially now I'm here like I definitely have to get my cholesterol tested at some point whenever I do like a next round of blood tests just.

Eat Cheerios.

And I'll be eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch like fucking crazy.

But like I'm half excited to see what my cholesterol was like from because I did a blood test before I moved here and I'll get a blood test post America and I just want to see is this.

For actual scientific, you were curious how it would go.

Just being old, OK?

Just being an old guy.

I get a blood test every five years.

I just checked.

I'm not fucking dying.

My dad has some fucking shit.

Whatever.

I want to make sure I don't get that shit, you know?

Good.

Hey, good friend man.

Yeah, take care of yourself.

Keep it.

Fucking keep an eye on it but secret.

I want to see if my cholesterol has gone like sky high from moving here.

Milkshakes.

I have a milkshake.

Where do you like to get them from?

I you know what this is going to be really, I fuck with the black and white Shake Shake Shack so much.

Yeah, Shake Shack rocks.

Yeah, sorry.

Fucking good.

There's one at the airport.

You can get one later.

Yeah.

I like I where did I go?

I had one of the I had one at the airport.

I don't remember what fucking airport it was, but I recently did have Shake Shack and it still rocked in here.

It's.

So good that makes.

Its rotations on tour for sure.

It used to be no one in my band likes a burger.

No one would go, so I wouldn't always.

I'd wake up on the band bag and I'd go straight to the gym and then I'd go straight to a burger as well.

And that was my you're.

Telling me Nick won't eat a burger.

Nick will eat a burger.

Yes, yes, but like when it's like general consensus, where are we going to stop while we're driving?

Where do?

You end up stopping if it's.

Not a burger but Chipotle is like #1 I'd.

Say, that's probably always too.

It's.

Got a bit for everyone, but then Tom wants sushi at like fucking 11.

AMI was like, I love sushi, but like Tom's number one is always sushi.

It's like I was trying.

To think if there's anybody in our camp that would be like, then I don't really think so.

I mean, I like it, but again, it's not.

Like we just eat.

Real simple.

It's a group of sushi to me is a group event.

Where'd you stand on group?

We went tacker.

Barrel, Oh went to crackle barrel.

Rockville went to Crackle Barrel.

Fan not fan it.

Split in the sense of Matt will be like you got to try.

The Southwest grilled chicken.

And then he orders it and it's a piece of grilled chicken.

He's like, yeah, it's better at home, Big Brother.

Cracker Barrel, like for breakfast, I fuck with it.

You can't really fuck it up, you.

Get all the.

Chicken, chicken fried steak and shit like that.

That's fine, I agree.

But like the undercurrent of racism in there I had, it just feels racist to be in there even though it's not at all.

I'm just in there and I'm sad and I'm like, this is definitely what one of those houses look like.

It's like some old southern plantation.

Yeah, and I'm just like, this is I feel like I mean, get out every time I eat Cracker Barrel, I'm like, I'm in get out right now it.

Just sucks because then those dumplings show up and they just.

I'm usually the one dragging my feet to something like that because it's in my head.

Like, just let me go to McDonald's.

I know what I'm getting.

I just want it.

But if we're going to Cracker Barrel, it's going to be like we.

We maybe go to Cracker Barrel like once a tour and it it's still, there's been, there's been times where we've gone and it's missed.

It misses it.

Often misses if it's.

Not breakfast.

Like I said, if we go and get breakfast, you can't really complain.

But when we start creeping into lunch, dinner territory, there's a lot of misses.

Yeah.

And then at that point I'm like hitting 30 bucks with a tip and I'm like, I could have went to McDonald's and had a great time.

Where's what should McDonald's Europe versus McDonald's America stance?

Tell them about the background on the bus.

This is.

Going to have to end this is going to have to end the podcast because we're running out of space.

That's fine.

So on the McDonald's question, I'm a fan everywhere.

Yeah, I like it in Australia.

I like it in Europe.

I like it at home.

I keep a receipt of every country I've got it in.

Really.

It's in a little book at home.

Wow, our backroom in the bus in Europe was cause for alarm.

Why?

There was so much McDonald's in there.

Because we would order like wrappers or like leftovers it.

Would be like, you know how like show ends, like it's the only thing open and they're always open.

You can just go to them.

Yeah.

So you got like 4 bands or at the McDonald's in this one little room.

Just they were like doing a bit with it.

They were intentionally not throwing it out just to click it.

And when I showed back up, the guys were devastated.

They're like, you should have seen it.

It was crazy.

It was mythical.

The bus driver cleaned.

Out the like boys on tour.

It was like one of those things, there was so much McDonald's back there and then the next day opening that door and being like, just who threw it out?

Just being we were building something.

Anger.

Who did?

The right thing and clean the room.

I, I did a whole tour where I didn't drink.

Like normally I drink on tour to deal with the fact I'm on tour.

I did a whole tour where I wasn't drinking and I've just replaced it with McDonald's.

So I'd finished the set and instead of having a beer, I'd go to McDonald's and instead of going to a bar, I'd go to McDonald's.

That's awesome.

And it was awesome.

Definitely gained a lot of weight to a couple of years of my life, but arguably, was it as bad as drinking?

We'll never know.

I did base pics, had the golden arches on one side and said Mccarrick.

Mccarrick.

And I had a nightmare.

I got a lawsuit against me.

I.

Was going to say I wonder because McDonald's and Disney are apparently the ones you don't fuck with.

They'll get whole.

Thing stop in trouble for those, but I did have a dream where I was like, oh shit, I was you.

Weren't selling them.

If anything, you're promoting.

I'm giving them out I would never when we.

Were driving yesterday.

We were going over this big long bridge over this lake and it was evening time.

The sun was going down and Nick was driving.

You were laying down.

And I was like, Nick, look, and they're like all these people on these boats, like fishing.

It was real pristine.

And then there was this little cut in the hills and it was just a silhouette above the hills of the McDonald's sign.

And we were just like.

That's how you know everything is going to be all right.

It's when you were when you were.

Coming back home.

Southeast Asia, like I love Asian cuisine, but sometimes when you're in like Indonesia and you don't have somebody to like, tell you where the good spot is and then there's a McDonald's, Yeah, you know, you're safe.

We've.

Never been?

Yeah, you know, how about?

South East.

Asia McDonald's over there.

Oh my God, I broke.

I used to be McDonald's straight edge and I broke it in Indonesia twice in one day.

Yeah, because I tried the local cuisine and I love Asian food, but what I tried didn't.

Like I did the fucking Western thing and I went to McDonald's.

I was like, this shit rocks.

And then I went back.

I told them on that last tour that I was done on McDonald's.

There was no more.

We did.

Really good on the that Killswitch show we just did maybe twice.

Burger King instead.

Brother.

My.

Life at the insult it he's insulted.

Burger King pisses me off.

Really.

Oh God, yeah.

Is it the arrogance of such so?

Bad.

It's bad.

You know it's bad I.

Don't.

I don't.

I mean, it's brother, it's a fast food burger.

I've had a whole Burger King order just out my window.

It's char.

Broiled, it's.

Good.

I don't quite like Nugget.

Fries.

And they got chicken fries.

You know what I'm talking about.

Fucking awesome.

I do fuck with, I kind of fuck with the Burger King, but I'm not picking it over McDonald's if.

There's a choice that's like picking Subway.

If there's like a Jersey, Mike's right there.

We.

Started hitting a lot of Culvers because I feel like if you're going to hold it, it's good.

Just try it.

It's like a.

Midwest one, but I think it's spread out a little bit, OK.

I guess that's it.

What you got coming up?

We got Japan.

That's next week.

That's already done.

Incarceration and Kadat Fest.

I'm going to incarceration.

OK, we'll be there.

I'm.

Hoping monster's going to take me, but if not I'm just going to hang, OK?

Then we have late summer Europe festivals.

The late ones.

And then big boy headliner.

Big Boy headliner which isn't announced yet.

It is.

It is announced.

It's ready to fucking rip.

Are you starting to sell out?

I'm a Oh yeah, fuck it.

Yeah, of course it's an announcer.

Source.

Shit selling out immediately.

Yeah.

Good for you.

I love you.

I appreciate you coming on.

Check out Kubicon if you if you've got this far, you definitely know who they are.

If you're just a die hard downbeat head, then just made that time up, then definitely check them out.

Listen to you in the gym.

At least three out of my seven gym workouts a week.

It's constant rotation.

Honoured because it's showing brother.

Thank.

You mate, that's what we use.

Yeah, not even like, not even just the new shit.

That's a lot of eight O eights in there.

I go from, I will.

I'll go from Nomad on.

Yeah, but then.

I feel if I were to recommend our band to somebody, I would say that exact same sentence.

Yeah, yeah, because that's the same band to me.

Yeah, that's oldest that's.

When it all people, that's when it kicked off.

The sound.

You know.

OK, well, I love you.

Thank you.

I like to take you to the airport.

You got a vacation.

Enjoy your vacation.

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