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I got on this Donna Summer's Last Day Romance for love Chop Honey because I didn't get my hair.

I didn't get one of my good, my good nasty party caps pulled on.

But I'm gonna tell you my guest today, I may not have gotten my hair done, but bitch, my guest today, it's sitting up on the layers upon layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of beech wave hair.

And I don't want you to be confused.

It's not a yak, it's not a perm It's from the root.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands together for my Internet sensation Redman rock on everybody's scrings and Hallers brad Men listen to and in the words of Manificent, listen, well, I just want to tell you that your hair.

Your hair is laid like rich Asian warm and honey from the from the from the the the show crazy rich Asians.

Bitch.

When I say that hair is layer your hair is so layered, girl, it is like all of the waves.

Thank you so much.

I'm a Leo and I'm Filipino, so I think with that combined, it's just she was meant to have a name.

So you're so so So you're Leo, a Filipino, so that means that you are filled with uh, spice and beauty, spicy verocity.

Now you're a Filipino.

So let me let me tell you this.

I I'm very into what's it?

What is it?

What is a Filipino dish that I would love?

Because a double pansette, peanock bet?

What is close to fun?

That's fine?

Cny gum syne guns.

That's to me.

I feel like we don't really enjoy like soup with like noodles in them.

It's bullaalo maybe, so that that's that's what will be close to fun.

Yeah, like bulal, which is like oxtele soup is number you know, kind of soul food you e know what you're sick.

Yeah, what are the ingredients?

What are you thinking of?

No?

Because I like Vietnamese, I like oh and I like me that's it.

Yeah, you would love you would love Filipino food.

We're just like a.

Little bit more on the oilier side.

I feel like Thai food is like healthy, you know, that's why they live so long.

And how I have Filipinos or oily and that's why we have gout and like you know, you got to say by knees.

Yeah, so my thing is so so so so you said it's more greasy, like because I'm no taffled, I like yes, Like I like pan tie, I'm like, uh uh like the curry because they use more like a curry, yeah, like a coconut panang.

Yeah.

And and and Vietnamese uses more of like basil yet fresh food.

Yeah.

Filippines frying everything, you said.

Filipinos fry every, fry everything.

We don't even believe in the air fryers.

I'm like, if there's no oil in it, you're not frying it.

No, you're not listen, if ain't no oiling it, honey, why am I there?

Exactly?

You mean to tell me you're trying to cook with no oil.

You're trying to kill me.

What does the air fry?

Your bitch?

You trying to kill me.

My accessors would be like, what is this?

We made evens for you and you're out here doing this.

So you live in Hawaii, mm hmm, since I was eight years old.

So you were born and raised in Hawaii.

I was raised here, but I was born in the Philippines better than Reilly Jeans, and then I moved here when I was eight when my dad had a flaying with my babysitter.

But I'll get to that in a bit.

Yeah, we're gonna get to them.

I want to talk about first because you are so pretty, and I know you get down a lot that you're very pretty.

Thank you, you're very pretty.

Well.

I have my days, vie.

I would have loved to I would love to have had a better hair day.

But I thank you.

But your hair is that that's all natural.

Your hair is all natural.

Yes, I grew it myself.

I started growing it out like pandemic when my dad passed because he had long hair growing up as a child too.

He thought he was like a rock star and he was kind of like the only guy in the Philippines that I knew that was like long hair.

And when he passed, I was like, I'm gonna grow out my hair for you, dad.

And I feel like I've never looked like a Bretman rock more in my life.

Like I feel like I finally look like what I'm supposed to say, look like does that make sense?

I understand what you mean?

Which which was gonna bring me to my question Because because you're so pretty and because your hair is so long and layered and luxurious, are you going to transition or are you trains?

So you identify your trans No, actually I identify it more in like the non binary world.

I okay, yes, but I go by all the pronouns.

I actually have a lot of like trans cousin, especially on my mom's side.

I have like one that I like do a podcast with.

Her name is miss Kay.

And on my dad's side, he had like ten nine siblings and each one of them had like a gay son or daughter.

So I've always been exposed to like transniss and all the other day cousins that I have enough time for me to figure out that.

I think I don't mind presenting very pretty but also giving man and like keeping helm.

So yeah, yeah, I just love.

Yeah, I think I'm just non binary.

I don't really mind.

So you know, I got in trouble a little bit, you know, on on Twitter, just a bit because I was I asked, I was talking about my experience as a trans treasgender woman, and I said that, you know, I asked the public, I said, well, do you think that we should have gate kept what it means to be trans and becau because because the government was using a lot of people who just were like, oh, we're just saying I'm trans, but didn't give like a trends that you know, they would just say hey, I'm trains, and they were using as a political ploy to, you know, try to create these laws and these sanctions against us.

And so when I met a non binary person responded under the post and said that because I listen, if you tell me you're non binary, I respect it.

If you tell me you're trends, I respect it.

If you tell me that your gender fluid, I respected.

I don't invalidate your identity.

I'm just almost fifty years old, and with me being in that coming from a different era, I have questions.

I'm like, hey, I don't the new terms when they come in.

I know that when I was transitioning back in my time, bitch, I was going for the cunt bitch where I wanted to go, I bitch who bitch?

Gave me the little kim, give me the the Mary J.

Blige like, girl, you know what I'm saying, give me one of the cuts.

You know?

Now, the girls when they transition, they're like, Okay, well I've done enough, and I'm like, but wait a minute, Wait a minute, I wait, where are your lashes?

Or wait a minute, hold on, where's where's the where's the other extensions of it?

Which I got schooled from a lot of other trends and none binary people that told me medicine.

You know, you're you're operating from a place of of societal norms of what a woman is supposed to look like or what what norms are.

And I'm like, you know, like, oh god, I don't want because I don't want to offend nobody.

And that's why I always say hey, because when I look at you, bitch, I see the cut, bitch coming.

I see the cut coming, bitch.

The way that hair is layered and the skin is so beautiful and your face is so pretty.

I see the cut in coming.

I just but then you say, well, no, I'm not trains, I'm non bindary, and I'm like, okay, And a non binary person told me that they were trains too, and I was like, I'm just help me up in space.

No, I definitely understand.

But at the same time, I feel like, I don't want to sound problematic, but I feel like there's really two types of non binary people.

There's some people that kind of I'm non binary because I truly don't care for how I.

Express my agenda.

I hate explaining to people that I'm just a pretty man with long hair really at the end of the day, who likes to play with makeup.

I enjoy the pretty things.

But there's also non binary people who kind of tether the lines between transness and non bin airiness.

And for that I can't speak for them, because they're there why you see experience, you know.

But for me growing up in the Philippines and my grandma introducing me to her friends and all of my uncles being like this is my handsome and pretty grandson.

And also just like growing up in Hawaii is very different because I've known from an early age that mahu's, which is what they call the third gender, were always like seen as like these not creatures, but like these people that were respected in the society.

Like people will literally bring their kids to non binary third gender people and have the name them because they think that, you know, non binary people or the third gender people, Mahu's had that gift of like telling the future.

And even in the Filipino culture they're called babaye land, where you know, they predicted futures and they were seen and respected in the community for who they were, and yeah, some of them were trans identifying.

So for me, I'm not bandary because I truly never emphasize or gave a fuck too much about gender.

Obviously, if someone told me they are a woman or a trans woman, I'm gonna respect that.

For I'm talking about me and how I like to be addressed.

I don't give a fuck.

Call me by what you see, just put some respect on it, because there are people that call you like they and I'm like, okay, girl, yeah, because.

Like if I if talking to you through this through this interview, I'm gonna say she a lot because I see, please, I've seen beauty, you know, like it's giving, it's given the county.

You know, she's giving her, she's giving her, and she can be they them she you know, I actually and here's the thing for me that probably gives me in trouble a lot.

Then I have to.

And this is why I usually always ask people, you know, what their pronouns are, because me, if I see the cut beach, even if it's a pretty boy, I'm gonna say she because it just gives so much.

It gives so much, plissy, bitch, it gives so much, you know, no, at least you're being nice about it.

I just call everyone she because of I just learned English as my third language.

I still struggle with hear her.

So even my dad is a she girl, So I truly do.

I'm like girl.

You know, well, in our languages, in our in our gaeling go, we call everybody she anyway.

Yeah, and you know everyone's a shah.

So so I like what you said.

So can you school me a little bit?

You said in the in in Hawaii, it's.

Mahu yes, mahu yes, Ma.

Ma okay, And in the Philippines it's bye bye lines.

Exactly, or you could just say baclaa.

Yes, okay.

So we were give the creatures from from the from the we were ethereal creatures.

We were a therapy.

Like people literally like prayed to us, and people came to us to be healed.

People came to us for advice for war.

And I'm just like, why did we lose that translation?

Because I would love to go to tease Madison and ask her about who's gonna win the war?

I can see it.

What should I name my baby this Madison?

What should I name her?

All right, So we did all of that and we still haven't even grazed the top of the show.

So the top of the show, what I like to do.

There's a segment I call it's called talk your Ship.

Now.

What you do in this part of the show is that you you tell us who you are, what you do, what you are proud of, and this is your time to shine like you don't hold back, you know.

And the reason why I created the segment of this show is because people call me narcissistic.

And they call me narcissistic because I'm like, oh, bitch.

I got a song with Beyonce, Well, I gotta, I gotta end me from from drag Race.

I gotta this, I gotta They're like, oh girl.

Oh girl, oh girl.

Yeah.

Here, we celebrate all of that because you gotta remember that in the in the lack of a better turn, we're faggots.

So we're not supposed to have anything.

We're not even supposed to have the dick that the trade gives us on that.

You know that.

So this is where we celebrate who you are.

We celebrate you.

I want you to be as arrogant as you can.

I want you to look at that motherfucking cameras.

I'm Bretman Rock and I am yes and go bitch.

I am Bredon Rock.

I am an emmigrant from the Philippines.

I am a content for for quite some time now.

But you already knew that because you have seen me everywhere.

I have graced the covers of Playboy, the very first opening game at in Playboy.

Yes, I was also the first Pride Vogue cover of the Philippines.

And I've just been the baddest bitch since I was seventeen.

I honestly made my first million dollars when I was eighteen years old, still in high school, living in this great matchion.

Now that, like Ms Madison said, I'm not supposed to fucking have, but guess what peacocks are outside waiting to get fed.

Bitch, where's your peacocks?

I enjoyed it like I did enjoy that kool aid.

Okay, and I enjoy stuff like that because it's queer people.

We have to be able to do that.

It feels good.

That feels so good.

I needed that that morning.

I want to start having to do that every morning.

Did you?

Because they tell us like you, they want you to to, hey, be humble or or don't do that because yeah, you know, and you have to be able to speak that out because these are what you spoke were facts.

That's not that's not made up.

Those are facts.

And you're supposed to celebrate yourself.

You're supposed to do that, and you're supposed to shop on the bitch it don't They don't believe me because it's all about shipping on them.

Okay.

That funds so good?

Oh my god, yes, thank you for telling me that, because I when I interview other people sometimes they be like, I don't want to.

I'm like, bitch, this is your time.

Yeah, don't come over here with that humble and modest ship with me.

Tell a bitch, bitch, I got them.

I live in a million dollar home.

Bitch, I got it.

I got properties over here.

I'm the baddest bitch bitch I was on.

I'm the first person on.

I was featured in that d D because you're speaking things that are factual and that yet that you you did and people have to respect that.

And I respect all of that because you're a queer person.

And the things that they teach us as queer people is God is not gonna bless you for being a fagot.

That's universal, that's in any language, that's in any culture, that's in any color.

They will tell you God is not gonna bless you because you're a fag.

You're gay, and look at look you can you can step in your in your you like, bitch, I made my first million dollars when I was eighteen years old?

Bitch, what are you doing?

What did you do at eighteen?

So let's talk about your origin story.

I want you to tell me about a turning point, an experience, a source of inspiration or or a Eureka Moe with the shape the path that you were on today.

Ooh.

I would say there's a lot.

I definitely have my good origin and my evil origin, but I think for me, one of them would have to be when I moved to America for the first time, and well, America is in like have I E.

I moved here when I was eight and the first place we went to was Walmart, and I remembered, do you know what of the cite TV's at Walmart?

And you walk in and you see your like the security camera years girl?

Why was I in front of Walmart for five minutes just staring myself and I was like, girl, you're on TV.

I'm like my I was.

Like, I'm literally in Big Brother girl, Like what what is?

And that was the first time I ever saw me eight years old on TV because we don't have that in the Philippines.

So I was the whole time I was at Walmart, I was just like looking for the TV's like kind of just like posting.

I didn't get any school supply that day because we went to Walmart to get school supplies because I had school then following week.

I think, mind you, this was like very very first day in Hawaii, and I think that was like my bingo moment where I'm like, I want to see myself on TV.

That's where I've belonged.

Yeah, you knew being yeah.

And I literally was just like standing there like, girl, I don't know what I have to do, but I have to stay in this camera.

And I kind of just followed that light ever since, and whether it was my mom's like T mobile, like little LG phone that was like filmed like pod commercials in when I was like ten, like recreating the Pond commercials, and I just knew I belong in a camera somewhere, and that's that was kind of like my Eureka moment.

And I've been chasing that damn camera ever since.

And like you haven't let it go never.

It's made you a millionaire and you knew that, Like that's that's that's usually like when you have those epiphany moments, like when you up so so god, I want to ask you, like how do I want to wrap this question?

So that's when you knew that you were pretty and honest.

Not necessarily pretty because oof, girl, No, I was an ugly child, honestly, but I why say well, not an ugly child, but I think just like looking back now, I'm like, girl, you had gaps in your teeth, like your hair was like a mask.

I look like I got electrocute because have you seen those babies where their hair literally grows straight up and they look like little trolls.

So that was my hair as of my whole childhood, Like it would just stood up.

That's why like even with like this on, like this is still starting up because my hair just like has volume naturally.

What a problem.

But that was definitely the first time where I was like, I just loved like even I would just I would fix my hair, you know, when we would all tuck her hair as a child when we were no down while we had world bottles out, and I was just like tucking my hair, and I'm like, there she is.

And you saw yourself and you you played around in front of that camera, honey, and you was like, but you.

But people don't understand about manifestations and how real they are and the power of speaking.

And this is why I told you to talk your ship in the opening part of the show, because I wanted you to speak out because what that does is it sends a message to the universe that you gave me that.

Thank you, But I'm ready for more and I'm here to get every I'm here on this planet to get all the things, not some of them.

I came here to get them all.

Or did you ever did you ever have a Walmart CCTV moment where you're like.

Girl, that's how I saw my booty, Like, hey, Walmart, Like I was like, it's if I left, go bake me happy.

You know, I'm on being over wind the store, I'm self checkout.

Yeah, it's like, bitch, yes, being looking is cutting up and stuff in the Walmart.

So I get it.

But you're so much younger than me, And I like when when people who are younger than me tell me their epiphany moments, because you know, I get to to think about like, damn, I could see you as a kid, as an eight year old kid, dancing around in front of the camera and stuff like that or whatever, and then you reflect back over this stuff.

Now you're like, grawl, bro, I knew it.

I knew bitch.

I knew I was a bad bitch when I walked in Walmart.

And exactly that was like my north star.

Like on like so dramatic, but I just had to keep chasing that I guess like feeling or like my urekame on maent of like how do I get more of best?

Like how do I Because I could even.

Tell that I was.

I turned it on when I saw myself on camera because I you know, I got sassyre and just like so I don't know, the camera has always turned be on.

So so my question, my next question to you before we go to the next part of the is how did it?

How did it happen for you?

Like how did the uh, how did you How did your first wave of followers and wave of of of integrating into mainstream?

How?

How was there?

How did that happen?

Well, like I said, I was always chasing the TV thing, And when I was in middle school, I joined this leadership program.

It's basically like student console and every morning we go on TV and re announced like the what we're eating that day, the schedule of the day, or like any school announcements, and the whole school has always like looked forward to Britney Spears and that was what my screen was, Britney Spears.

It's so very much is Bretney Spears.

So anytime, you know, Eli Mativ featuring Britney Spears.

I just felt like the whole school was waiting for me to announce it's the cafeteria schedule of the day or whatever the fuck we're eating.

And that was kind of like my first following of like the school just like loving their first the only openly gay queer kid that, like I was celebrated.

I was always celebrated, and my first following was honestly just like kids from my school and just me being in leadership.

And I think because I was like the secretary of the school, people like respected me, and I was always kind of just like the popular kid that every that got along with everyone.

Like my school wasn't very clique.

I was kind of like a social butterfly, kind of like libras are.

I know, you're a libra.

So I was always a social butterfly.

And then by.

High school, this was freshman year in high school, vine came out and I had a video that Kylie gener like rewined at the time, and I remember walking to school and everybody was like, Brad, did you see Kylie rewind you?

And I think that was because that was my very first like viral moment, I was like, how do I keep the ball rolling because I don't know if you know, but like the shelf life of influencers is like two to three years, so I was like, and at the time, it was like I was still kind of like the second wave of influencers that came I remember it was the YouTubers and then the Vineners came into play, so I was the second generation of influencers.

And even then I was seeing a lot of like Asian women that really like conquered, Oh my god, I fucking speak English, conquered like the beauty space, like Michelle Fabb's beauty, and I was like, Okay, if these Asian women are doing this, I feel like I could also give, you know, my take on beauty.

And at that time as well, there wasn't a lot of like men in makeup, I would say, especially like boys in makeup.

I won't even consider myself a man in makeup at the time because I was sixteen.

My clitters just dropped, so like I you know, I was just really like a funny kid that was learning how to contour while the whole world was also learning with me.

So I think it.

Truly a lot of things just like fell in my lap, and like a lot of people backed me up on that, which just and it started in Hawaii.

Do you remember your first viral video?

Yes, it was an I Hey a Zealea song called the Fancy I Am So Fancy, Yeah, And I had like a very much and I had like a scarf over my head and a sunglasses and I pulled it down.

I put the scarf down and then the glasses fall and then it fell perfectly on my face and I just like it looked like a really great transition at the time, and Kylie Jenner like rewined it and.

That was that.

But I honestly started blowing up more on Snapchat more than anything because I would just make Snapchat videos and send them to my whole entire school, Like I said, I was friends with everyone.

I would send it to one hundred people.

And one day my friend was like, why don't you post these on Instagram?

Like because Snapchat they're gone after a day.

And I uploaded all my stage dues and at the time I had like fifty saved videos and I was on Private and my friend was like, girlp can you upload these off?

Can you go off Private?

And I was still private, I had like one hundred and twenty followers, which is just my school.

I went off private and that summer I went from one hundred to ten thousand followers in a summer, so two months, and then I had a viral like contour video and that got me from ten to two million and another two months.

I was Yeah, and my life like changed in a matter of like four months of just like me making videos because at the time it was unheard of, you know, not unheard of, like nobody was not making videos.

But I think it was just you to see a queer kid enjoying makeup freely and way.

So we were from ten thousand to two million.

And yeah, in two months, and.

It was just you doing makeup.

It was just be.

Wearing makeup to school.

I was latest fuck every day because I had to get the content out and I was just pumping these like videos out I was.

I would even make them during class and I just knew who I was and I had to get that bag.

I really had to get them right.

Yeah, my wod like shit, because I know what it was like for me, Like I know, like when Vine and all that other shit was out and I was like no where twenty yeah, all yes, all of those things that happened for me, and I like all those people, like all those people had that fucking video, like they all had it, like all of them.

Like I like, it's like even now when I go into certain places, so I'm like, girl.

Like yes, I hate when they bring up old videos.

I'm like, I'm like, girl was a different girl, Like like that's that's me.

But girl, I was just learning how to use my camera for that at the time.

Yeah, you know, And it's crazy because I did you know I did that come on in Big Dig Bitch Dot, come Big Dig Beach Dot, and like, you don't know how I see the front door, like the front like people have screenshot their video and they screenshot just the house and like people I see it in places that say if you know who where this house is you you were from this time, and I'm like, wait, yes, I know the house.

I'm like, wait, that's my house.

You know what I'm saying, like hold on, you know, and you don't think about those things when you're doing it.

You don't think about them like you just you're just making content, so you're not thinking about like, oh, this is this is gonna last twenty years, you know what I'm saying, Like, no, yeah, you don't think that, Like you don't think that this is this is gonna hit so hard.

Especially at the time too, I don't even think anybody knew how much or if you could even make money online and that it could really be a career one day that like, you know, pays your bills.

I definitely did enjoy and to make money because I didn't even think that was possible at the time.

Yeah, so I get what you mean.

Yeah, money and you like, you know, yea, this is nice.

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, is that a million?

Oh that's what it looks like.

Okay, you know, and so people, so I'm gonna ask you this before we go to this next session.

So I didn't try to gate keep it or police it, but I was like, damn, you can't let everybody get up, Like, you can't let everybody because these bitches will come in and they'll oversaturate the stuff and the next thing, you know, it's not the same.

It's not it's not the same monster that like, and I created that and now like all these people are trying to do what I did and it's not working for you, honey.

It's not working for you because you don't have it.

And speaking of it, we all have a villain era.

So every outlaw's labeled a villain at some point, often when we're just trying to live our truth and do our best.

Your villain era could be a time you stop people pleasing, a time you stood up for yourself, maybe made a mistake, maybe you did something that sparked controversy, or maybe the world just wasn't simply ready for you.

What was your villain era and what did you learn from oof?

I feel like my villain era every time I think of that, I just think of my two siblings and how they probably think they're superheroes and I'm the villain of their story, but they don't realize where the villain's coming from.

I'm really the Malefica of the family, because like, nobody knows why Melfica is mean until the movie came out, you know.

But where I'm coming from is when my mom moved to America, she only brought my brother and my sister and she left me in the Philippines.

With my dad.

My dad was a woman, I and whatever, But because I they separators.

At a really young age, I developed the only child syndrome where I was actually convinced I was the only child for so long, and you know, my mom would just call here and there to ask me what's up.

And I lived the factas yeah, because I was just like the grandchild of like my grandma, and I was like her shadow.

I was always with her everywhere.

And I had a really cool dad.

And when I was.

Eight years old, I noticed we were headed to airport and I'm like, oh my god, what are we doing?

And that is when I met my siblings for the first time, and I had to learn how to be a brother and I was like, what is And my sister is a girl obviously, so there was like that jealousy already.

I'm like, why is she get to have long hair?

Like why does she have to have barbies?

And like I didn't even get to like get I didn't even know her, Like I literally my mom was like hug her, and I'm like, what the fuck is this bitch?

Like walking in my house, I was like, and why does why is dad carrying her and not meow?

So yeah, and so I think what I'm getting at is I never really knew what it was to be a big brother, and they just kept separating us because I was just like one time that they visited and then we were separated again.

When I was left again with my dad.

One day, my mom called and she was like, oh, how is your babysitter?

And I was like, oh, Dad loves her.

Like they're always kissing, They're always massaging each other.

And mind you, at the time, I was like seven six, and I was I was really just like being honest with my mom, like they're always kissing, massaging each other.

There we all sleep together, just saying whatever.

And now that I'm older, I'm like I could have swore, like I even when I think about this story, I can still hear.

My mom like heart drop on the phone.

And two weeks later she came to the Philippines and my maid was like, my maid, sorry, my baby's we caught her babe back home.

I I know it's not politically correct, Yeah, she was my babysitter.

And she was cooking fish, like frying fish with oil, like I said, we don't do air fryer, and she was cooking the fish and my mom walks and she grabs the pan and like whips it at her and her hand's boiling.

She grabs her hair, she like goes to pound towel and like drags her out of the house.

Mind you, I'm like, what is going on?

I'm eating my oat meal, getting ready for school, and my mom's like just walked in.

She dided to tell anyone she was coming, dragged her out in the street, and in the Philipies, we don't even have like roads or anything.

We just have like dirt and like a mess.

So she drags her out like one hundred meters out and mind you, at this point, like she had her hair like she had a bald spot, her hands were boiling, and it was a movie.

Girl, it was a movie.

And then a week later, another week goes by and my dad wouldn't show up to court, and my mom, being the babbage that she is, let's just say comosa.

He said, he just showed up to corp.

Oun't know where you, hands tied to the back and just like barely awake because I think my mom had somebody like literally like conker my dad in the back of the head and he woke up in corp.

Yeah, I was, I don't know what the fuck was going on, But I didn't realize that that was the day that my mom was like gonna give my dad the ultimatum, like me or her, and my dad chose my babysitter.

And in the Philippines, you can't get annulled.

I mean, you can only get annalled, you can't get divorced.

So my mom had to get like all these like PaperWorks on.

I had to like therapy and all that things like what happened this day and all that, and I end up in America, you know, happy, And then that's where my villain's story started, because my brother somehow convinced me that my family is broken because of me.

So it became your fault.

Yes, he was like, if you didn't tell mom that dad was cheating on her, you know, like those weren't his exact words, but like he definitely made sure that I knew that the family would still be together if I didn't open my loud mouth.

Wait a minute, wait a man.

Yeah, so she I had an eating disorder like growing up because I somehow also convinced myself that I didn't deserve my mom's food because that's what my family does, were cooks, And how I even have food trucks and stuff.

So I that's why she's really skinny.

Queen, thank you for my least brother, Like you really hate with that.

I didn't eat with that, but you know, and then like I said again, like going back to my first point of like learning how to be a brother.

When I was making videos finally with my sister, I was always painted as this like mean person.

But I'm like, you guys don't want to stand.

Like like third world siblings.

We don't hug, we don't say I love you, we don't I don't even remember the last time, Like I you know, I said I love you to my sister.

Like I'm like, you know, I love you to my sister is like basically sitting her kids, helping her out, like.

Show like you're showing me.

And that's the type of love that we were also given by my parents.

So I'm like, I think the internet always like painted me as like a bad sibling, bad brother, as if I'm already not hearing that at home.

So I feel like when everyone's calling you a bad brother, you kind of just like convince yourself of that as well.

But I think I.

Quickly learned, just like from meeting other like brown families and like brown siblings that like, oh, we're not different, like we're meeting to each other because we just they didn't know each other until I was eight years old.

I had to figure out this whole brotherhood brother thing, and like, yes, there is underlying jealousy because like, you know, my sister moved to America playing with barbies while I was like in the Philippines, like you know, looking at my reflection in the fucking right in the rice fields, like who was that girl?

I see?

You know harry back at me.

Yes, my dolls were like made out of raton like grass.

She had like barbies brushing the hair.

You know.

So there was that jealousy, yes, but I don't think that necessarily makes me a bad brother if I just you know, spoke to her the way that I speak to her, which is not necessarily nice, but that's how I not spoke to us.

You know.

Yeah, you didn't know them like that.

I didn't know you like that girl.

I don't know you like I mean you my sister, but I don't know you like that grown.

We don't even look at leg like it's dead.

All I know was dead.

Dan helped me Dad loves me.

Dad does this to me.

Listen you I got I come home and there's two more.

You motherfucker's over here, and I'm like, who, who the fuck are you?

You know?

And why is my dad holding you?

Always over related?

Girl?

Well girl, my dad is kissing that lady at the house right right.

I'm like, oh, you want me to have a sister?

Okay, do you want another one?

Like?

You know?

Girl?

Why do we so woe?

Are we so bad?

Everyone has to suffer?

What are you?

Are you smoking something?

Are you eating something?

Over there?

When I have to drink this gallon?

Oh?

This is this is what keeps you pure.

This is what the glow is coming from.

Always the it's it's the it's the water.

Yeah, it's exactly the water.

It's the island water.

Is there your spread?

No, it's just like I got it on Amazon and you know how it's just like seventy am.

This is how much you're supposed to have drank at that time.

So I'm doing good.

Yeah I do.

I had a bottle like that, but it was purple.

It wasn't that big girl, Like it was big, but it wasn't like, girl, do you drink because I tried to drink at least a gallon a day of water to flesh you out, yeah or something.

You know it tells you like the doucheing too, Yes, yes, and you know it's less time.

Well, I mean you all the p is on what you eat, becausey that douche.

Listen, that douche could come back on you.

I know.

But the pure for man always got my back, like the fibers always got my back.

I didn't know you took pure for men.

Well, she is a domesticated lady now, and I've been back for.

They don't make her yet.

They don't make her yet.

They do pure for women, they do, they have it.

It's pure for women, like as are you saying?

I used to I was, I promoted something for them like one or two times.

Yeah, I think I think it was pure.

That' pure for women, strong enough for women, praise.

I think that's just for like I think I know what you're talking about, but that's for like their vaginal like stanch burl.

Listen, if you get in, if you getting a cock put in your gluteus maximus, you better be pure.

She's always pure.

So let's talk about you being a rebel with a cause.

Now, this show is called Outlaws for a reason.

An outlaw or a pariah in our culture is often someone who ironically has their heart in the right place, someone with the courage to speak up, standout and pushback what it matters the most.

Now, the guests on my show, The Outlaws are some of the voices of our time.

They are rebel hearts who are challenging the status quo and making a difference.

So tell me about a cause you care deeply about and how can others join the movement?

Ooh, I feel like one of the causes that I truly cared deeply about is Ocean Conservative story.

In twenty nineteen, I made a video about like using classic straws and like changing them metal straws and stuff, and gird video like paid my bills for a couple of years because ay.

Viral of me just being like it was just me complaining about like it's my second day out.

Here, and people were already like blame like coming for me for using classic straws when anyways, Locke story short, just living in an island and like in the Philippines as well, like we have so many islands and just like being surrounded by water my whole entire life.

I think ocean life, ocean Conservatory has just been one of the causes that I always support because I feel like I can talk about like gay causes, but I feel like you're gonna have so many gay people on here talk about that anyway.

It's so no, you're gonna talk about women like the ocean for you.

Like, so you made a video and you said paid your bills.

Yes, So they went viral And at the time I signed up for like TikTok, what is the TikTok creator funds or whatever?

And I think it broke the system because I was like, how am I making There's much money from Like there's one video and I think it's just for people using using the sound of it.

And I ended up donating it to the Wildlife Conservatory in Habaii and uh yeah.

And every time I do like merch, it always goes back to like ocean life and stuff like that.

Wow, I don't even like the ocean like that.

I don't even fuck with the water like that, but I love it.

It was like the straws hang out on your nerves.

Yes, did you see that video of Donald Trump?

Signing a bill about paper paper straw.

I'm like, girl, all the work I've done, bitch, all.

The work that I've done, and you come through here and put an executive autoactly about paper straw how dare you you?

Yeah?

But honestly, like a part of me is like, you know what, You're right?

Though, they do turn soggy after like five minutes.

They do, they do, and that is something we need to address, like honestly, but I don't think we need to banish them because I feel like there are some cool ones like that people are working on that are made out of the coconut husk and stuff that are actually like you know, fears.

Yeah, but paper shaws for sure, Like I paper straws are tired because we be Yeah, I'm like, dare I say, I might agree for a little bit, but it's a little bit, you know, don't need abolish it all completely.

I think we could do.

Sorry, we still need to use those paper straws, just just when they get too soggy.

It's like another one in like we should be able to rotate them out.

So I just I want to know what, So what happened that made you feel a way towards the plastic straw, so you were out of the ocean and where they few swimming.

I think, just like I think my whole life, it's just always just like embedded in any places that I've lived, especially like here and Help I A.

When tourists come, they really do come and trash our beaches, touch the wildlife.

Like there's so many like they'll play it even when you enter Help I Eat like a video being like don't touch the seals, and we got all these tourists, like white people that just like think they can pet a seal and then they cry about it online when they get attacked or like you know all the sea turtles like don't touch them, but they will still come and like touch the sea turtles like thinking they're like praying over them.

When I'm like, girl, you just like fucked up that bitch, Like that's richt.

Yeah, So I think just.

Like living here and watching all these like white people touch and like trash our beaches.

Honestly, like that was probably my last straw.

Basically, that was my last last straw.

You think Trump saw your video, he did, fuck you bitch.

Well, I love the way that you said fuck you bitch.

It brings, which brings me to the last part.

It's the banning bitch, the bannon bitch.

Yes, so what we're gonna do is that we're gonna ban like you're gonna if you rule the world.

You know how to do this?

Yes, well, here's how I'm gonna set it off, and I'm gonna start it first.

So while you think gonna ponder on, I'm gonna do my first.

Okay, producers in the back, are you guys ready.

I want to ban men who like to have anal sex but don't take pure for men.

I want to ban any man that wants to come to the house and have sex, honey and have not used any doucean method.

I want to ban you from coming over here or to any queen's house and force us, as pretty as we are, to be tops.

How can you force me to be a top?

And then you come here and your ouchiwala ushi bang bang is dirty.

You come here and you put a glass of of chortenay next to the bed and you drink that up, honey, and it's bubbling your stomach and girl, I go in and I come out, and then they're splattered everywhere like girl, what is going on?

I want to ban you from the erotic sauce?

Like, why are you having these erotical what have you been watching so much that has made you, that has given you the unmitigated gull to eat an entire burrito and come to the house, Undush, please make sure that when you come here, bet you're a peer.

I want to ban your un from a house.

Amen.

That was amazing?

Do I agree with it?

Or do I do?

Minds Now you agree with that?

Period?

You do agree with that, I practice that then period.

If I rule the world, my name is Bremen Rock, And if I rule the world, I would ban broke man from signing up or even dating.

Really, I feel like broke men are too They have too much access to dating apps, and I feel like you shouldn't just be allowed to make a dating app.

You should be allowed.

They should start requiring men to put in their four oh one k their salary is before signing up, because I just feel like, if you're broke, you shouldn't date.

Now, this only goes for men, not for women, because I feel like, you know, if you're a woman that needs help a you should, but man who needs help no, and nobody falls in love faster than a broke man.

I will tell you that girl.

They be wanting to move in after a week your first date, I'm like, oh, you're broke, that's why you're falling in left so fast.

So yeah.

I feel like when men sign up for dating apps, have their salary and poof of purchase and their reset like last three tax forms.

Think you Brett, mean you're banning broke me in and listen, I'm with you one now.

We're not saying it broke me and don't have good dick.

Never that, We're not We're not going to save that.

We're just gonna say that we're banning you guys from dating.

You can give the dick, but you can't be dated.

You can't be dated until you have the funds together.

And once you have the funds together, then you should be You should be dating, and then you should also be douchey, because if you have good dick in the front, you could only imagine what you got in the back.

Exactly, are you verse?

No, I'm just a pot I done it.

I've oh god, I've talked once and it was just what I said.

It was No, it was actually just because like he was big and I look like a chihuahua trying to move a couch.

Like it just it just was not the fantasy.

And it's just not for me, Like I I like looking up not down.

You know, that's more of my angle leg serving.

I think, I think that I can see you in a in a servitude manner, but very here's the thing.

I I've never liked topping either, Like that was not like the thing on my thing.

But you know, when I got into adult films, you know, that's the thing that they push, like they push because the fantasy is a ts you know, topping the man.

And I'm like, girl, like I don't you know.

And I used to do a lot of bottoming videos and they would get like really good views, but then like when I would put one top video up, it would go insane, like they would be like I'd be like, oh my god, what do I have to do that this week?

Like I don't even respect him like that?

Right, Like, girl, you don't like hunt, I see, I.

Have never been in that predicament.

Honestly, I know because you didn't.

You came in as an influencer her that I came in as a as a girl, as a working girl that turned out well, no, not well.

But also I've just never feel like I've been in a situation where like a guy was like, I want you to tap me.

The one situation that I was in, I felt like he was getting in that position and I was like, oh my god, Like I felt like I didn't have a choice.

But like now it's like definitely in the first like day, like, girl, I'm not topping you.

No, okay, you know, I'm in a space where now where I'm like, you have the choice, you have a choice.

It's not like, you know, so I choose not to to do that, but I will.

I do like to be chewed on, though exactly.

I like to be here and there.

Yeah, I like to be tasted.

Now.

I like for you to I like for you to taste your food.

I'd like for you to taste your food.

I do.

I do like to be you know, fondled and you know, treat me like a dog, bowling between me, you know, getting feed me.

You know.

So I like that, But I'm not really into, you know, the the mountain climbs.

I'm really not into that.

I'm not into moving couches, I've never moved a couch.

Yeah, Like, are you dating?

Yes?

I have been with my boyfriend now for a year next month actually, But we've known each other for six years and we only started dating a year ago.

How did that happen?

Right person?

Wrong time?

We've met a club in a e and I thought he was straight, and my cousin went up to him.

I was like, are you gay?

And he was like yeah, and we hit it off that night and then we went out to go eat where we ate is where I found out also that he was talking to someone else.

And I was like, baby, I'm not a motherfucking roster girl.

I'm not an option.

And I kind of just like left him that night, didn't get his number.

But a year ago, I was scrolling on TikTok and I see this man and I'm like, why do I know him?

And I'm stalking and him stocking and I reach out.

Well, I you know, slid in the DM a little bit on Instagram, but he was private and I've never done that before.

And as I was about to message him, there was a six year old message waiting for me that was like, I'm sorry about tonight.

I didn't get your number, I would like out to take you on a proper date, And I replied sixty years later and I'm like, is that date still on the table.

And we went on a date that very night, and that's when we found out that the guy he was talking to was like somebody that he rejected, but was also like a composive liar and was telling everyone they were dating because he didn't like being rejected, I guess.

And we've been together since, but thanks to that guy that like lied about being together with him, because I truly don't think we would have worked out at twenty year old k me finding out just my stuff and my dating life at the time, because I was just like freshly bretman Rock and I was still kind of finding out the same thing and like what.

It was all about.

So I'm glad we didn't date when I was twenty.

I'm glad we're dating now that I'm twenty six.

So you're happy now, Yeah, I'm very happy.

He's very understanding and like I think patient is the word, Like he's he gets what I do.

I don't really have to explain to him.

Right because that was gonna be my next question as big of a star as you are, do you run into difficulties with like when you're dating a person being swallowed by your.

Star h My first boyfriend definitely like had no patient.

They didn't even have social media, and I have to explain everything to him.

Like one time I was scrolling on Twitter and I guess he'd seen someone's fucking dirty stuff, dirty stuff, and he thought I was looking at it because he had just like looked at my phone as I'm like swirling past it.

He's like, so these are the type of people you follow, like, and I'm like, this is just like a retweet of somebody's dick, and like you know, and I can't avoid what I see online that's not And I tried to explain that to him, like he blew it out, Like he told his parents and siblings that I was watching Born in front of him, and I'm like, girl.

So do you think there was a it was jealousy too?

I think it was, well, yeah, honestly, because I think he would even get at the time, he would even get jealous when like girls would ask me for photos and I'm like, I was just like sucking your dick, Like why would I why would I want anything with girls, you know, like, why are you jealous that girls are asking me for photos?

But this the boyfriend that I have, and he also Madison like girl.

He also did some blue head shit on me like after he left.

Yes, wait a minute, so they got there down there Hawaii.

Uh no, he's not from here.

He's from Mexico.

Yeah.

Well he did the real craft on you her.

He and I was like out for four years.

I was a nun like I couldn't even find men attractive for four years, like because he broke up in me in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty And for four years, I couldn't even like flirt with men without like gagging.

I couldn't even get horny.

I just was not Wait a minute, did he tell you he did it?

Now?

I found out through a cleansing that I did with a Native American woman, and she was like, why is somebody holding your heart like he?

She thought it was my dad because it was a man that was like holding my heart chok my heart chakra, like really tight and like not allowing me to like fall in love.

And she was describing this man and I'm like, Okay, that's not what my dad looked like, and she was basically describing what my ex had looked like.

She told me she had asked me like did your ex do this?

And I remember when she said that, it clicked in my head that like when I was with this man, he would tell me stories about how he would help his anti perform crafts on other people, and he would joke around with me being like if you leave me, like I'll make sure you never find anyone again, and me being the delusional bitch I was, I'm like, girl, you're so in love with me, like like your dant you can't get enough?

Yeah, he told you together, So is this the guy you're with now?

Oh?

No?

Hell no?

Oh?

I was like, whit I made of girls?

So you did?

No?

He I definitely had to do like some cord cutting, some rituals of my own because I'm like, you don't even understand how strong my ancestors are.

Girl, if you think your anti practiced that, like my grandma practiced her.

Her own man too, like, girl, don't fucking play with me.

But also I will say I think for him, thankful for him, because during that four year period of just like my heart shop or being closed to everyone, it was very open for myself and I truly fell in love with myself and.

Just everything that made me me.

I love my own company now and I think learning that boundary from my first place ship definitely helped with this one now because I tell this man, I'm like, you're gonna see new weekends and you're gonna do good work on the week days, and we only release each other on the weekends.

And that's and he understands because he's in the Navy in the Special Forces, and he works every day anyway, so he's like other bitch work and it works.

For us because be's the last.

So basically, ladies and gentlemen out there there, watch it.

You gotta go.

Get you a close.

I didn't know if your girlfriend or your boyfriend has done some please because you never know.

Wow, four years I couldn't even I couldn't even recognize as ole man was like flirting with me like my cousin would literally have to be like brat.

He was literally like flirting with you, and I wouldn't recognize it.

So, bitch, wait a minute, because I know we're went overtime.

I got it.

What made you go to the BHA?

So it was fashion week, and I was going I was in Paris, and you know when you bring a brown person to Paris for the first time and they experienced Europe And I'm not saying I've never experienced like racism or anything, but oh my god, yeah, oh my Europeans like they would stare you down, like and all they just there and I'm just like what, I'm not the one that stinks.

But anyways, because the girl, they also smell up there, so I was just getting weird lucks and I was and it was had been like super rany in Paris and I was just going through a depressive episode, I want to say, and I it would It was after like Aboma on fashion show, and I had like this lady that was like staring at me, and she had looked like she was like whispering some things.

And I'm very like naturally like spiritually like a sensitive person, and she was like passing a spell.

Like it was so weird because it was like so busy, but there was like a spotlight on her and I was just like staring at her the whole after party, just like why is this bitch like staring at me?

And she would hide behind people to like stare at me, and I had woken up the next day and I can, I can.

I knew that she attached herself to me because she was the last person that I thought of when I went to bed, the first person I thought of when I woke up.

And it's you know when like somebody puts a post it on the back of on your back and you can't like reach it, like you just not like what it like she's she was there like and I was just like, I think this bitch like attached herself to me, and like it's basically like feeding off my energy because that whole remainder of my trip, I was just drained.

And nothing excites me more than like glitz and fashion and like getting ready.

I loved getting even getting ready today Ms.

Madison, Like I loved it.

Hair baby, because when you came in that hair see oh.

Yeah, I woke up at seven o'clock just to get this hair ready for you, Like I love it all.

But like that was the first time where I was like, the last thing I want to fucking do right now is be seen.

And that sentence have never left my mouth twenty six years of living like rich, I want to be seen what do you mean?

So when I got back to America, I had found like a healer lady who is Native American and that's when I well, it wasn't Actually it was my manager at the time that found her that I also did like cleansing on her.

She's like, she's really great, and she was because she taught me how to cut the cord.

And you know how I know it was real because we went no contact for three years at this time, for three years, and that was the first time he had tried to call me again and I as I block his number, he texted me, I'm just trying to help you, and I'm like, help me with what?

And like, why of all the years do you want to reach out now to day that I found out that you did some shit on me?

And I think he had a feeling that we cut it.

Yeah, has anyone been something on you before?

Ms?

Madison?

Who?

Or have you wait a minute, do you think that I would know how to do that?

No?

What, of course?

But you know, I don't know.

I don't know because here's the thing, Like, I know I got good witch pussy, and though I do I know that once you once you jump off the side of the bed in me, you're never coming out, and when you do, honey, your life will just be in shambles if you cross me up.

But I think that's because we're anointed, and I'm gonna say this, and then because because there I know we gotta go.

I'm gonna say because we're annoyed to ask queer people who occupy major spaces and like and have reached like we got millions of people.

That's the anointance from a higher authority.

That's a that's a higher up that has marked us.

I agree, because everybody everybody has a phone, everybody got an Instagram, everybody got a TikTok, everybody got this, but everybody don't break through.

That's a market.

And so because of that, people throw dark, evil shit at us all the time.

Jealousy, evil, lie like, they throw this stuff at us all the time because we are you know, public, and they're like, you know, some people just like I wish they won't say it out loud, but they'll be like, fuck that bitch.

Yeah.

Why did bitch video got a million views on it?

Why is there two million views on her on her video?

Why is it?

Why does she keep getting this why is this I don't like and the evil is it?

Just like it's like I can't stand that bitch.

I hope that bitch.

I hate that bitch.

I wish that bitch.

Fuck that bitch, thinking ass bitch, that bitch.

You know that's throwing evil shit at you, like spiritually washed and spiritually protected like that, because all of that is energy.

We don't say one last story because I feel like you would love it.

When right before my eighteenth birthday, my brother called me and he was like, Brad, Dontfrey, but you're gonna die when you turn eighteen because God got his palms right.

Because my grandma was also an alboladio.

Growing up, she read people's palms, but never like the family's palms.

She was never allowed to read the family.

But my dad went to somebody else and the woman had said that when I turned eighteen, and that your widow child who's gonna be a boy, is gonna die.

So on my eighteenth birthday, I'm literally like caged in my apartment and I'm like take me now.

I'm like staring in the and the ceiling.

And that was when the start of my spiritual journey began because I think my when she said death, I think it was more of like an ego death or like a soul death, because I fully believe that I stepped into a new life when I turned eighteen, and that even the voice in my head turned into a woman.

Now it's still my voice, but there's also a secondary voice that's a woman's voice.

And Miss Madison, it is my grandma that guides me.

She guides me through so many things, because at eighteen years old, I was like, how long will this last?

How long will I even have this light?

And when she came over me and I just felt that she grabs my hand and she's like, I'm going to make sure you cure, not cure, but like you set the family up.

I'm going to make sure you are the reason why your ancestors gets to jump up and down and gets to live their biggest dreams.

Your ancestors live their biggest dreams through you, Bretman, and you have to celebrate that and you have to do this for your family.

And that was the first time I believed that I was anointed and that I am supposed to break this generational curse for my family.

And I think that's when I switched the whole villain story in my head that Yes, maybe I was the reason why my family isn't together anymore, but I think it was because I had to step in as a father figure of a father that my dad couldn't be.

Now I get to say that I bought my mama house.

My brother and my sister have successful businesses, not because of me, but you know, just me being around to guide them.

They get to do that.

And I can honestly say I get to be the father that my dad could never have been.

And that's what, you know, cured me.

I think that you're That was beautiful, and it just told me that your physical mind died and your spiritual awakening.

Yes, so that's that's what happened, Bretman.

I love you.

I want you to email me so that we can exchange numbers.

Yes, talk to you about some stuff.

I'm supposed to be coming to Hawaii.

Please, I'm supposed to supposed to be coming to Hawaii soon.

Please.

I'll feed you, Yes, I will eat over there.

We're going to go.

Outlaws is a production of the Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Entertainment Call created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olivia Peace.

I'm your host Tias Madison.

We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison.

Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krincicch and our producers are Joey pat and Cormon Braul.

Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz, and our sound editor is just Crimechicch.

Our associate producer is Trent high Tower Special thanks to our producer's assistant, Daniel Rabinowitz.

Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.

Our show art is by Pablo Montana.

Catch you next week, Honey,