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This is Outlaws with TS Medicine.

Hey, y'all the CS Medicine honey back with another episode of Outlaws with TS Medicine on iHeart Radio.

Listen.

There are times that I'm always sitting back in my space and saying, man, never would have made all.

Yeah, you know.

Each time that I'm able to get on a podcast or just be a part of a new show or new situation, I'm always excited because I always get the opportunity to sit down with amazing people.

And not just amazing people, not amazing people that are amazing to the world, amazing people that are amazing to the public, but amazing people that are in my life.

People that I have fun with, people that I talk trash with, people that I tell some of my business to, not all my business, but some of my business too, and just you know, people that have made moves around in the life of the ts and ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, I would like to introduce somebody that was strategically placed in my presence by the one I truly think and before I even introduced you, I truly think that that this person's presence in my life was definitely something that was kind of ordained because I really had no inkling of buying a new car.

I met this person by I get it to buy a new car, and uh, I was I really didn't need a new car.

I didn't want a new car.

I didn't need to We'll see, here's here's here this time, I want to lead this in.

I didn't need a new car.

I needed a new manager.

Liden to put your hands together for my manager, Lera Collin.

Thank you first time me saying I'm so honored, uh, just to actually be being interviewed with you, sitting down talking to you and I have a lot of private conversations.

Yeah, we had one yesterday, right, we have a lot of price a conversation.

So I'm very interested to see where this is going to go today because you know we'll.

Go everywhere, well, yeah, everywhere, and then back right right, so leg right, here's the thing I'm not introducing you.

You introducing you goodness.

So here is the area of my show where it's called talk Yo Ship Talk talko shit, so I can curse, oh goodness.

First of all, I am an entrepreneur, and I like to think that I'm a very good friend.

Let's start with that, because in everything that I do, I like to surround myself with good people.

Hint, hints.

While you and I are friends, Okay, I'm an entrepreneur.

I owned a I hate to call it a travel agency, more of an event management agency, which is how we really became very close.

We did a trip to the Dominican Republic and took some fans overseas for the first time, and and I got to do what I love to do because I like to entertain.

I love to throw a party.

I love I love good people around me, and I try to surround me.

I'm this person that's I'm very reserved.

A lot of people think I'm very reserved, but I'm observant, you know, I like to look at everything.

First of all, I'm a Capricorn.

You know, was didn't want to be I am.

I am a true Capricorn.

We will cut you off in a minute.

We keep good people around us.

I'm a single mom, love love, love love.

I have an adult son.

I'm an entrepreneur.

I own an agency.

It's called Global Travelers LLC.

You can look it up at Global Travelers and Company dot com.

I'm an investor.

You and I are investors together, and I'm always trying to learn.

I'm always trying to learn, always trying to level up.

Always, that's the true Capricorn, always bout the coins, trying to level up and try to be better every day.

So that's that's just like in a nutshell.

So uh, now that you done told me that part of legate, tell me the bad beach.

Ah, that bad bitch.

Now why are you a single mother?

You're a beautiful woman.

Why are you a single mother?

What made you?

What is the reason why that you are a single mother?

You know, first of all, I'm gonna go back to a little bit of my childhood.

Okay, my mother has always called me star child.

My mother called me star child all my life, and that was pressure.

That was actually pressure to try to be perfect.

All the time.

I was the star child.

And I ended up going to college on a basketball scholarship.

I met my then husband while I was in college.

I got married at twenty two, Oh, at twenty two.

And I asked, because you know, a person never never asks of me, get it right, because you know I'm black.

Right, as if you never asked a person never a person is never supposed to ask a woman.

They I'm fifty five and very very proud of it.

Fifty five.

Yes, I amuls and it's been a journey to get to fifty five.

I'm very thankful to see fifty five.

I lost my mother at fifty four.

Oh, and so I've always had this fear.

Oh my god, what's at fifty four?

I'm approaching fifty four.

So I'll be fifty five next month.

Okay.

So you'll be fifty five soon, yes, very socause we don't know when it's going to heir.

So you'll be fifty five soon.

Yes, be fifty five soon.

Okay.

And so you got married at twenty two?

Finished, I meet you out.

Yes, I got married at twenty two.

But if you think about it, who are you at twenty two.

I didn't know myself at twenty two, So I say I'm a single mother because I think I didn't take the time to really get to know myself.

I went you know, I was raised by my mother, and then I went to basketball.

I went to college and played on a basketball scholarship, which the university kind of takes care of you a little bit.

And then I immediately was married.

I had never lived on my own, I had never had to struggle, I had never had to figure things out.

It was almost like people were always doing things for me.

And so when I decided to get a divorce, I was thirty years old, and now this time I.

Have a baby.

I never even baby sat before, let alone try to raise a child.

You know, it was very It was tough.

It was tough.

You know, I was still really a child, a child.

So you got married at twenty two, yes, and you got divorced at thirty.

Yes.

Tell me about those eight years.

Those eight years.

I married my best friend, and he is an absolutely wonderful man.

He's an absolutely wonderful father.

We just weren't meant to be married.

Why.

I think we were just young.

You know, you think got young love.

You know you met in college.

Oh my god, I'm so in love.

I didn't know who I was at twenty two, and at the time he was twenty six, he was in grad school.

When I met him, and I just think we were young and we just didn't have ants to mature and to grow into who we truly thought we were or who we were meant to be.

I think I've always done things as the star child as I was supposed to.

You know, you gradually get that high school diploma, go to college.

And get your degree.

He's supposed to get married.

I did all the things that I was told I was supposed to do, but it wasn't for me.

What was his sign?

What's right now?

Sagittarius?

Yeah, yeah, Sagittarius.

So Capricorn and a Sagittarius.

Yes, isn't that supposed to be a good match.

I don't know the zodiac like that?

Was he good in bed?

We're not gonna have that conversation.

He is recently married, well he's not recently married, but he is remarried, And to be honest with you, I don't remember.

I'm a Capricorn.

You know we cut it off.

I don't remember.

Just to be honest, So the answer is no, No, I'm not gonna say that.

I'm not gonna say that.

I'm gonna say I don't remember.

You don't.

I'm a Capricorn.

You ready know that I will cut you off in a heartbeat.

I know and can't think and don't remember what we talked by yesterday, but you know if something's good.

Though honestly I don't remember.

But no, he's been a he's a great father.

And it's funny because we had a conversation a few years after we were divorced, but he's still family, so it's like he like that.

Okay, so y'all still have a working relationship becau, y'all have, absolutely, Absolutely, y'all did meet him, yes, and his wife, and they're wonderful, wonderful people.

They're wonderful people, absolutely, And just because you're divorced, has he ever tried to come back?

No?

No, I mean before he married that one?

No, no, no, no, no, he hasn't.

So this was truly something that you both did in y'all youth.

Yes, I think I initiated the divorce, but having these conversations, having conversations, especially after a divorce, everything you're kind of looking in hindsight like did I do everything I could have done to save them marriage?

All those different things, And honestly, I think we were both just really young.

We were just really young.

And it's not necessarily age because you know, maturity don't have a age on it, It does not flow.

So I just think we were both just very young, and you know, he hadn't He had some traumas and things he had to deal with.

I had some traumas and things I had to deal with, And I think it just took us to get a little older.

But we're we're we're in a great place.

May I ask you about one of any of those traumas that you had to do with?

What?

What were what were some of them for me?

I think for me, I think it was always just trying to be perfect.

I never felt like I could be myself.

I had to live up to other people's expectations.

Who pushed you to do that?

I think, and you know, honestly, I think I put it on myself just to be honest, you know, when you're first of all, I was a straight A student.

I'm from Ohio, graduated third in my class, and I was a star athlete.

I had a full academic scholarships.

I had full athletic scholarships, you know, And I think I put a lot of that pressure on myself, you know, being the good girl all the time.

Are you an only child?

No, No, I have.

I'm the middle child.

So I got middle child syndrome.

So I got even more issues.

So you're in the middle of how many siblings do you have?

It was three of us growing up.

It was three of us, you know, so I felt always felt like, you know, my brother was mom's favorite and my sister was Dad's favorite.

And I always felt like I was the one in the middle.

But that's that middle child syndrome thing.

Girl, And that's what that was another thing that added on more pressure.

Okay, more pressure.

So here on the show, we have a segment called Eureka.

Eureka.

Now we celebrate those lightning boat moments when you realize that you weren't just going to walk the path and that you were going to blaze your own trail.

What was a moment or the moment that's sparked that clarity for you.

I think it was when actually I relocated to Atlanta.

And you know, we have this relationship with our parents or this view of our parents when we're children.

But I when I graduated from high school, I moved away.

I had never moved back home, so I wasn't raised as an adult.

I didn't see my mother while I was an adult.

I always had that child view of my mother.

So I think it was when I moved to Atlanta and my mother had relocated to Atlanta.

So it was the first time I got to be around her woman to woman and not just mother child, and I got to see her as an entrepreneur.

I got to see her as she was.

She was strong.

She was a strong woman, and I always knew I wanted to you know what, that's that's what I'm supposed to be.

I'm supposed to I'm not supposed to just follow the norm because there was nothing normal about her.

And that's Paly why she pushed me to be normal, because there was nothing normal about her.

So when you said there was nothing normal about her, point something.

Now.

Wait.

We used to call my mother the Dawn, oh, because if you didn't have that black skin, you would have thought she was Italian real, Okay, you would have thought she was mafia because that was the Dawn.

We used to call her the Dawn because she was just a balse and I liked that.

She was bossy for one, and she always had a lot of men around.

But they weren't men in relationships like what do you need done?

You need to get this here, call so and so.

She had always had a network of of of if you need a plumber here, call this person, you need this, call this person, anything that you needed done.

It was almost like she just orchestrated out.

She was the queen.

Yeah, she was the queen in the center.

And I love that about her.

And I was like, you know what, that's that's that's how I see myself.

That's how I see myself.

I think that eureka moment that I didn't have to follow the norm was as I got to know my mother as a woman, because I always, you know, you know, you have that mommy, you know, child view of your mother.

But when I saw her as a woman, and my mother was married four times.

Wait a minute, leg my mother's married four times.

Wait a minute.

Hell, I didn't even meet the last one.

It was so quick.

Wait a minute, Like I didn't even get to meet the last one.

It was so quick because she was okay, ye, done and on to the next What was your mother's side?

She was on Aquarius.

Is that good or bad?

You know, I don't know the zodiac, like well she's air like me, and you know, I move on in a heartbeat.

Absolutely.

That is very interesting.

Yeah, she was.

She was a boss and I loved it.

And I was like, that's gonna be I want to I just I don't want to be nosy.

Go ahead, be nosy.

I do be nosy.

So your mother had four husbands, Yes, she did.

And you now in your life right now, are single.

Mm hmm.

You're fifty five.

Yes, where you're trying to get given, I'm asking so so so.

And you say your mother transitioned when she was fifty four.

Yes, And you said, all the way up until you knew your mama mm hmm, kepting me.

I always had a man, what's going on with me?

Like you're trying what you're trying to say?

Something wrong?

Man, I'm trying to forget what's going on.

Obviously, you patterned these things, You've patterned so much stuff after your mom.

Well you know what, I patterned things after her.

But that don't mean I'm identical to her.

There's things about her I liked, there's things about her I didn't like, Like, tell me, well, my mother.

I think I'm also very dismissive.

I do dismiss people very quickly, and I think my mother.

I think my mother needed to sometimes take time to be single sometimes.

So for me, I was never in a rush to get married again.

I've never wanted to be for in forgiving.

This is no knock against anyone.

I never wanted to be anybody's baby mama.

Hence why I had my son after I was married.

And people are saying, you want more kids.

Yeah, I wanted more kids, but I wanted my husband first.

So I was always very careful to make sure I didn't have more kids because it wasn't ideal for me to be a single mother.

I just was.

And so I think I took my thirties because I was married all during my twenties.

I think I just took my thirties to kind of figure out who Legra was.

I was struggling.

I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life.

I got degrees I don't use, you know, just trying to find my path.

And I think in my forties I have fun.

Thirties was a learning period.

Forties was fun.

So my question is in your thirties, yes you were sexually sexually liberated.

Yes, I was.

I don't want to dig deep in your business, but I'm going to do because you know we'd talk about I would talk about it when you and I got together.

We're going to go back to that because we gotta we gotta jump around.

When you and I got together, We're gonna talk about that.

But I want to talk about a space to where girl, when we fell out laughing, when you had that damn Karma Suta chair, I still got it.

I know.

When I knew that you had that Karma Suture chair, I said, legr is the free and I hunted that down and I think in COVID you did because you know what you used to send me pictures and links to this Karma Suture chair.

Yes, I had that, And one thing that I have always enjoyed was a sexually liberated woman.

Yes, because I'm very sexually free.

You know, I like you know, I like him.

I like him.

I like a heap, but I want one, Yes, but I like a heap of them.

Yes.

Is this something?

It was something in the air that had me child the Yeah, get a sip of Walter.

So you do you fully immerse yourself in sexual liberation?

No?

No, I don't no, I don't, and especially now you know I had a cancer diagnosis two years ago.

Tell me about that.

You know what I remember.

The hardest part about it was, first of all, I always thought I was very healthy, and let me take that back.

I am healthy.

I just had cancer.

Yeah, we go, let's start with that.

I was never sick.

I had cancer.

And I hearing it.

Was the jar because when you hear the C word, fear initially came over.

Lord, I gotta get my house in order.

Oh my god, what is my son gonna do?

Like all these things came in and I remember when I met with my doctor for the first time, they told me over the telephone.

So I think that was the hard part.

And then you know, you need to see your breast cancer surgeon.

Who has a breast cancer.

Surgeon on speed die?

Right?

So but I was fortunate enough.

And I say fortunate because it's not fortunate that I knew other people that had breast cancer.

But because I had a dear friend to me that had breast cancer, she was able to give me direction.

Call this person, called this person, called this person.

But of course, like doctor's offices, I had to wait three weeks to find out if I'm living or dying.

So I remember going to meet my doctor for the first time, and she was a beautiful woman.

I have the best doctors in the world over at Piedmont, and she's telling me the history of cancer and the type of cancer I have and stuff.

I say, excuse me, excuse Am I dying?

Right?

Get to the point.

We've been waiting for three weeks?

Yeah, am I dying?

She said, oh no, no, no.

I said, well start with that first, because I've been waiting for three weeks for somebody to tell me if I'm dying.

And she said, no, it's going to be a struggle, and I'm not going to tell you it's going to be easy, but we're gonna get you through it.

I said, what, that's all I need to hear.

You won't continue whatever else you're talking about.

And that just was the reassurance that you needed to That's all I needed to just fight.

That's all I needed.

And when I tell you the best thing that I did, well you you said you saw me you going through the struggle.

Yeah, I did.

Not many people knew I had cancer, and we kept that a secret.

Absolutely, we kept it a secret because what you told me, was that you didn't want I want no pity.

You want no pity, you want no sympathy.

Yeah, absolutely not.

And also because we so connected.

You know how people are like, well, that's what she gets, you know, the people that disliked me or hate me, that what she get.

Notice and the other and especially.

Like my cancer diagnosis have anything to do with you, right, But they'll link all that together justice because that's.

What they did.

But it was also, you know, because of the way we met.

Yes, we can now we can jump back to how we met.

Yes, I was the spirit told me to get up and go buy a car.

If my mother was here, she would tell you you didn't need a car.

I didn't need a car.

I did not need no car.

Yes, but I wanted another car.

I wanted a twenty.

I wanted a two thousand, and there was some kind of Infinity.

I wanted an Infinity h M thirty seven car because I liked the body style.

I wanted to put rims on it.

And at the time, I just happened to be in the dealership.

You were at the dealer with a family member, which with your with your sister and brother.

M Yep, he was there and you walked across the lot and my brother said, that's TS Madison.

I said, who, So I'm you know off the phone.

Let me google who is GS Madi?

And of course, like I said, I own a travel company.

And I was like, oh, I need to talk to her.

You did she need to do something with her fans?

She got a she got a lot of fans.

You did say that, and you came in and tore the place up like you usually, just flirting with everybody.

And because they were, they were.

I still remember that little car wash man was following you around.

But listen, legs, I didn't need a car.

You didn't.

And I just gave you my car and I said, you need to talk to me.

I got something for it.

You did, I didn't.

I want to emphasize, yes, I didn't need a car.

You did not need a car.

We were supposed to meet.

I needed a manager and someone who knew absolutely nothing about being You didn't know anything about being a manager to know.

And I went through a very public public break up, the break up with my management.

Yes, very nasty, very vile, very trying to tear my image down.

And handed it very well.

Yeah, you handled it well and then I emerged with the new manager who very much so set ship straight, sets ship in order, and not only set ship in order, you don't get emotional.

I want to let you know you set stuff in order.

And my words to you were exactly this you said to me tis message.

I don't know how to be a manager.

That's exactly what I'm an event planner.

And what I said, I'm an event mm hmm, that's exactly what you said.

I am an event planned me.

That's exactly what you said.

Here we are, what four years, it'll be five, It'll be five in February.

Yeah, yeah, it'll be five.

Beyonce yes, drag Race, Yes, TV show, movies, movies, all this stuff, everything, and it's just the beginning.

I didn't need a car.

I needed a manager.

Absolutely.

I want the people out there to listening.

That's gonna that can take the undertones of that.

And I'm sorry a black woman, a black woman.

Hello.

Sometimes people gotta understand you don't need a core, you need a manager, no place here where you need to be.

You don't need a job, you need a career.

But let me say it goes both ways.

Because I needed you to really absolutely come on tabbing.

Absolutely no, I needed you too.

I needed you too, and at the time I may not have known it.

You may not have known you needed me at the time that we met, but I needed you too.

Just the difference of how my life is since you've been in my life.

Yeah, just the circle of people now, first.

Of all being I'm not LGBT, but I've always as a basketball player, I've always been around lesbians.

Half my friends are lesbians, still friends to this day.

And I've always had gay male friends.

But you're the first trans woman I've seen trans women, but you're the first trans woman I can say that we actually have conversations and we actually are friends, have become friends.

And I tell you this all the time.

I forget your trans First of all, let's just say, let's just keep one hundred.

You're beautiful, Thank you, sister.

And you don't let none of them mfs.

You can say, motherfucker.

Don't let none of them motherfuckers tell you you look like no man, because bitch you more feminine night.

But you let's start with that, okay, So just start with that.

So this leads me into this next place.

This place, go ahead, the villain era, the villain era.

Here's where you're about to be.

Come a villain because yes, I know that with this statement that you're getting ready to say solutely come on with you about to have caused a lot Well, we just gonna have to cause some problems.

You about to cause a lot of problems.

Now, let me explain to you what a villain error is.

Every outlaw gets labeled as a bad guy at some point, but sometimes stepping into that role, it's what it takes to live your truth.

Maybe you stop people pleasing, maybe you took a stand, maybe you made a mistake, Maybe you did or said something that sparked genuine conversation, controversy and conversation, or maybe the world just wasn't ready for you.

Here and right now it's your chance to tell the truth.

Bring the receipts and let us know what your villain error was and what you learn from it.

Come on, honestly, my villain era was becoming your manager.

Yeah, yes, give my villain era was becoming your manager.

Yes, this black woman, I'm sorry, what do we say?

What's what's the correct terms?

Are?

We still says?

Oh God?

Because you know I can't keep up with the term.

First of all, let me start with this.

I'm fifty five.

I don't give a shit about all these damn terms.

I was born a woman.

Yeah, now what title you call that?

I don't know.

You're a black woman, thank you, I'm a black woman.

What to different differentiate between the two of us?

You're a cis gender, okay, which I don't really like even using that, right, So I said, I, what's the terms?

You're?

Everybody will use the term, but then when you use the term now, it's an issue.

Yeahs Now, it's an issue.

That's the that's the gift of the curse that I gotta be into.

That's the issue.

But everybody else can use the term, but the moment you use the term now, there's an issue.

And I've always had a problem with that, with just everything.

I've always been a rap about having good people around me.

First of all, I'm sleeping with you.

I don't care what's between you.

Hey we're not sleeping again.

Yeah, So why do I care that you have what genitalia you have?

First of all, are you're a good person?

Are you you're you're loyal to a fault?

I tell you that all the time, because you got some folks.

You need to let go even currently let's start.

We'll start with that later.

But that's why you hit the sirel because you because at the top you need to let go, because at the top of the show you said you're dismissal I am, and well listen, you dismissed the event, I am.

But you are very loyal to a fault.

You are a true friend, You're You're a light, and I think that's why the darkness has a problem with you.

You bring energy into any room the moment I met you and you walked into the dealership.

You bring energy into any room, and it's infectious.

It's infectious.

I've seen you in the airport with perfect strangers.

It don't matter if they black, if they white, if they're Hispanic or whatever race, it don't matter.

If they're young, itn't mater.

If they're oh, it don't mari.

If they're gay, it don't matter if they're straight.

People love you, People love you, and don't ever take that for granted, and don't ever dismiss it either.

Because you got a couple of these assholes over here on the side.

Who don't know you.

See, we can all talk a lot behind the computer, and as part of it is in social media.

See, I didn't grow up in social media, so it amazes me how they can take a phrase that you say and chop it up.

Or it's sometime they even call you somebody else, somebody else said it and they put your name on it.

Yeah, you know.

And my whole thing with and I brought the reason why I keep saying I'm a black woman because you know that's always been an issue for me when I see all that bullshit online about you hating black women.

Yes, and that's why Legory was so you know, that drives me nothing.

I know it drives you nuts, but it was so important that you be a part of my representation.

And Kendre, my lawyer, you're surrounded by black women that you listen.

I couldn't my mama, Like I couldn't move if it wasn't for for a black woman, I couldn't move.

I couldn't move, I couldn't make a decision, I couldn't make the right choice.

I couldn't make Like that is how important black women are to me.

And you have black women that aren't competing with you.

Let's start with that, because half your problem was villain.

You were surrounded by people that wanted to be you, that wanted your fan that won't your glory, that want uh.

Anytime they put your name in a headline, they know that's cliques.

I don't need your cliques.

And I tell you all the time.

You don't even like clique click.

But I tell you all the time, Madison, your career is taking off, and I'm I'm still a new manager, and that any point in.

Time you need another manager to take you to the next level.

I am not offended.

I'm still your friend.

I want the best for you.

I want to see you elevate.

First of all, we need you need to be what they call it the e got.

You need an e got.

We gonna do it.

Hello, Hello, you need an egot.

And if I can't take you to that level, you saying that you need a new manager, that's business, that ain't personal.

You are still gonna be my friend.

I'm still gonna be sitting right there with you.

Just get me tickets.

I'm still gonna be sitting right there with you.

I'm gonna still be at your house eating Miss Marry food.

I'm gonna still be there for the holidays.

We still go Kiki crack.

I'm talking about Dick every God damn dar.

We still gonna do the same things that we always do.

I'm your friend, that's business, and I want to see you elevate.

And if I'm not in a position or if I'm holding you back, bitch, get a new manager.

I'm an event.

You are an event, but your life is getting in places.

And you know, when we first started, I said, Madison, I don't even with contracts.

I was so happy we had Kendre come on board.

I don't know how to read all this stuff.

So this stuff is over my head.

I don't even know some of the terminology you was teaching me.

Yeah, you were teaching me, you know.

So at any point that you feel you need to step it up or need to elevate.

But see, that's also you being loyal to a fault.

That's because you're loyal to me.

But that don't have anything to do with your business, because our friendship ain't going nowhere.

But it's also about me trusting people.

Absolutely, you got trust issues back I do.

You definitely got trust issues I do.

But it's about me trusting people because people have prayed on.

Me and they still try to.

They still do, They still try to, They try and even and that's part of why.

Also, I tell you you have friends that call your phone and text you and ask you for things and ask you for favors and ask you for interviews and ask you for all kinds of things, and you, because that's your friend, you say yes, but you didn't check with your management team.

And things don't always work out that way.

Sometimes there's conflicts.

Sometime it's money, because you know, the first thing I'm saying is how much money they pay?

It's it, Hello, I don't care if that is your friend.

Yes, what what do you get out of this?

Because you got to pay lamp?

Yes, you gotta pay a car, right, And.

I need listen all of that, and I've planning this event.

Thank you, thank you, But you, because you're loyal to people, you're always saying yes.

So sometimes, as the villain, I got to step in and say I'm sorry when Madison said I'm sorry, I don't care what Madison see.

This is, this is how this is gonna go, or this is not gonna happen.

So sometimes I have to step in to be the villain.

But I want to circle back really quickly to that whole black woman thing, because I think we scanned over that really quick.

My problem when I watch and I listen with black women with black women, from one black woman to another, I'm sorry, from one ciss heterosexual, whatever the hell you want to call it to another.

Let's just keep it one hundred.

You said, be the villain, So I'm the villain.

Well I'm not calling I'm not saying this.

Gender Well I said it, okay.

Shit, correct me, correct me.

The reason why I have always had a problem is it amazes me.

Like my mother always used to say, you can't hit somebody and then tell them how to hit you back.

Remember when you used to walk up to like I used to hit my brother.

My brother had was always practicing karate.

He was in the martial arts and we planned and I would knock the shit out of him and he would take my head off.

And now I'm crying to my mama.

She said, well, did you hit me first?

Yeah?

I did.

Then you can't tell him how to hit you back.

So what I always have a problem with with black women, and a lot of them are social media people trying to get clicks.

Tes Madison did this now I'm gonna tell you right now, in the five years i've been with you, I've never.

Seen you come for nobody.

Now i've seen you correct them, oh yeah, but I've never seen you come for anybody.

But we always have these women who trying to get their platforms elevated.

Who come for you?

And when I say come for you, whatever remarks, how you spend the narrative, how you chop up pieces to make it look like you said this or you said that, How they misquote you, this is what I said?

Now, how did you get that interpretation from that?

Now they gonna come on here and they're gonna put lies.

They're gonna put and to put it all over their platforms.

That ts Madison, because all that's all they got to do is put your name in the headline.

TS Madison did this or TS Madison said that.

Now you're doing very good because for the past five years, the way I used to see you read folks before me.

It's like Madison, First of all, the way your career is going, like what they say, the way your bank accot only set up.

You can't address some of the stuff.

You can't you can't address the bottom feeders.

But after a while, even you can only take so much.

I'd be like, go ahead, yeah, you do, go ahead, because let them have it.

But not a crying, not a woman.

Yeah.

And now it's this man who's saying this to this black woman and she hates black women.

No, bitch, I hate you.

Yeah, because you came for me.

And what would you say?

And I answered the door.

Yeah, you rung the dough bell, I open it.

So you hit me, And now you're supposed to tell me how I'm supposed to respond to you, so you can't hit me in the hit me back.

That's the problem I always have.

And then you have those people that say, well, le we're supposed to say that because Madison paying her.

I am fifty five years old, and let's just keep them on hunt.

Yeah.

I don't need your money.

You don't, bitch, I need yours.

You richer than me.

I don't need your money.

I don't need your money, legr.

I I like it.

I don't need it.

I love that you spoke to this, because here's now I can pose a question.

Okay, come on, now, this might this might get me in a little Oh okay, well, well you used to being in hot waters go ahead.

Do you think as a black woman that black women use that I'm a black woman as a shield?

Absolutely?

Absolutely.

I think we've always been taught to use it to our advantage when we need it.

And it's something about let's just keep it one hundred.

Most of the people that talk about you, you're pretty ear to Now.

Oh, I don't say.

You're more feminine than they are.

What is more feminine?

Legal, No, No, it's more film.

I've been told I got big dick energy.

I'm i'm, I'm, I'm, I got a lot of testosterone.

I've been told, well, considering I've seen it, bit you do.

But that's a whole other conversation.

You know, we'll be here for him on that.

But I've always been told I have masculine energy, boss, you know.

But I have to be masculine.

Because who else gonna be, who else gonna handle, who's gonna pay the bills at the house if I'm not running my business?

So I have to be a boss.

But the right man brings that feminine energy out of you.

That right man softens you.

Have you seen it happen to me?

Absolutely, even when I didn't want it to because I didn't like that nigga.

And it's been a couple Oh, but I'll let you have it because that's your choice.

It was fun.

Yeah, it was fun, and as long as you left, it is fun.

But when you start to try to get serious, I was like, okay, now hold on, harp, Yeah, we need to have some conversations.

I've always been attracted to two strong women because my mother is a very strong, absolutely woman.

And not only is she a strong woman, she's a fighter.

I ain't never seen no man swing.

On my mama mine either, never, I no, I take that back.

See now, look y'all, my mama gone now.

So y'all can't arrest my mama.

But give us the storytelling.

You can't arrest my mama.

I have to get an edited version, give.

Us the album.

My mama was crazy.

My mama was crazy, and there was never She always would say, you never let a man put their hands on you.

Now, my mother also didn't put her hands on a man, so she never initiated it.

But I saw my mother get hit one time, and I'm gonna let y'all interpret this any kind of way you want to.

She is deceased, so y'all can't come for her no more, because my mama was crazy.

But I was a child, so I didn't understand it until I got older.

Someone put their hands on my mother, and my mother didn't respond.

And remember I told you my mom.

My mama is a strong woman.

Now she she didn't respond when this man hit them that because my mother was calculating, she's an ass Hello, oh hello.

All of a sudden, I.

Remember we were eating the same meal out of two different pots.

We ate out the green pot kids death, only he ate out the red pot.

But it was the same food.

I didn't understand it when I was a kid, so I the listeners, what is going on?

What's going on?

Or he was a smoker.

He was a fireman at the time, I think.

I think, uh, he was a fireman, I think.

And and he smoked, and he drank a lot.

I don't know what it was back then.

It seemed like I think they like worked twenty four hours and they.

Were off forty eight.

So he would fall asleep in the bathroom and in the little half bath.

And I don't know why why men like take all their clothes if getting neaked to use the bathroom, so you're neked on the toilet and you're smoking, but you're you're a little drunk on the toilet, and.

That cigarette might just happen to fall on the on the little rug below your feet or was that the cigarette?

Where does little fire come from at the feet?

My mother played mind games.

My mother played mind games to the point that that man couldn't move two inches.

If my mother walked in the room, that man flinched because he know what my crazy mamas.

He never he never hit her again, never ever.

But it took my daddy, who is not my biological father, but that's daddy, I think my sister.

He came to pick my sister up one day and my sister told him about the red pot and the green pot, and my daddy came over to the house, Come here, what you doing, because you know my mama.

Grace Way, what you doing?

What's this red pot and green pot?

Because my daddy knew my mom what's what's this red pot and green pot?

So she was getting I don't know what she's doing.

She got so we can't ask.

But I didn't understand that until I got older.

I was like, oh lord, I've always been attracted to very strong, powerful women, and I think that's probably why why I'm always enamored and you're beautiful.

I've been enamored by that because that's that's what I've seen.

Like my mama, my aunt then was some real I used to say, I saw a couple of pictures Miss Mary when she was in the streets, but this is my mom is a battle cat.

My aunt was definitely a battle cat.

Those they just they're aries and they're strong.

And so when I get into the space where women play the villain, and they started hiding behind the moniker.

I'm a black woman.

There is a issue with the way that black women are treated disproportionately.

Absolutely, there is an issue with the way black women are are murdered and mistreated, and then even our health care, health care.

I'm not that issue, right, I'm not that issue, and I thank you for standing in the gap letting it be known.

Yeah, it is a black woman issue, but that's not your black woman issue.

It's not your black woman issue.

Is you absolutely absolutely see, I've always seen black women as strength and and and able to get through almost any adversity.

We're the strength of the house.

I don't care how much money he bring in the house.

I don't care what bills he pay.

We're the strength of the house, you know, and because there haven't been found the home, we just strength outside the house.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

And we can wear many many hats.

So I think sometimes when I see the comments and things, especially when you say something so straightforward and direct, I'll say, how does she spend that?

Out of what you just said?

You know what I'm saying?

Like the spin that sometimes they put on the comments or things that you make.

So it drives me nuts when people say, well, well, Legr gonna say that because Legra's on her team.

No, leg'r gonna tell Madison bit you're wrong.

Yeah, and I'm gonna need you to shut up yep for a couple of days.

Yeah, because you have done it.

You was wrong.

Yeah.

Now, I know you was mad and you did da da da, but you were wrong period.

So I'm not on your payroll to coddle me, absolutely not.

I'm not on your payroll to call you.

I'm here, hopefully to hopefully I'm bringing something positive outside of just you know, contracts or gigs or something like that that I think our friendship just as women, yes, just as women we have the best conversation.

You're done stepped on some toes.

Man, I don't care just putting me as.

Just just as women.

We're women, we're women.

My son called you, auntie, we're women, we're women.

And I tell you all the time, Yes, okay, yes, Tyler.

We got to get this out there because this stuff is important.

This is this is stuff that's important that we needed to have, that we need to have put on the tis Massing experience that they they edited out because they didn't have the thought process of what was going on here.

There's a bit there's a major issue, a major event that is going on between black transgender women and black biological women that a lot of black women feel that we are invading spaces.

And I say to black women all the time, ma'am, my existence has to do because the men.

That was gonna because it's because usually it boils down to men.

Hell, let's be clear, when we talk about this ship, it boils down to men.

It ain't all about all my bad.

You're not worried about it from we just went the bathroom together.

You winning your start, I winning mind.

You're not worried about your son called me unity If you're saying, we would have never told your son that I was the training, that the training.

He was still community.

He still it's just what it was.

It boils down to men when you when when, and and the people are gonna be in the comments they are in this section because it boils down to men whether they wanted to, because it's just like, ain't no man, that won't you want me?

That's not true.

First of all, I'm with you all the time.

They want you before, they want me to hush up, and natives keep you want it.

We're both beautiful, Yes, we're both beautiful, but they want you before they want to shop.

And some of them know who you are up front, and when they don't know who you are, you're still telling them who you are.

Yes, you still tell them who you are, and they still won't you.

Yeah, but they'll say they're a heterosexual man.

But they are though, because that's they're tired today.

I thank you.

They're a heterosexual man.

That's their identity.

And so now I'm with you and see it every day.

Yeah, and the emails that come in this you tell me you.

Get one more dick pick video, don't book Ts Madison at gmail dot com is not.

For your dick videos and pictures.

I'm the one to see them.

And here's the and you want to know the gag the gags if you really want to peep me out you I tell you all the time, like if you wasn't famous, if I can pimp you out, because they comes in now, because the coens come in there.

But we have to address this legra.

They want to move.

Yes, we have to address that.

That is the that's a lot of the problem.

It's because it's just like they have said to me, because when when we've been sitting there watching it and it has blown you away because I used to tell you initially it did.

I used to tell you about this you but then when you started seeing it, you like, imagine these people are crazy and they're not just every day people.

Some of them you might see on TV.

Yeah, these people crazy.

Hello, And it's like I'm a I'm a woman, you're not, and I want you out of that because that's what that's the way I interpret it.

Yeah, it's okay.

If yeah, it's all right.

If you you know it's because dressing, hair and makeup don't make you okay, Well, then if it doesn't make me.

And then why you weren't concerned with it?

And I'm telling you I'm trans.

What's the problem?

Absolutely?

Why are we here?

Why are we still here?

If I tell you I got titties at the top, dick at the bottom, but I still am a woman, a trans woman, I'm saying trans girl.

You remember I posted a video about me said I was a trans woman.

It was because I had woman at the air that you have a trans woman?

I am, but it had them in an uproar.

You want me to identify as a man.

I'm not a man.

I was born male.

I will hold your hand to to stand before the consolutely until I was born with male.

I'm not a man, but you're not a man.

And you and how it's so it's so easy for you to understand that or nobody else.

I just want to know that from you.

I don't know why.

I don't know why.

I just think I just look at people.

First of all, it's not for me to tell you how to identify.

But I do respect how you identify.

And I ain't trying to be funy, I ain't gonna lie.

It's it's some some people that say they trends that I'm sitting to go with the girl.

You might need to go back on those sides me too, you know.

What I'm saying.

But to me, you're a beautiful black woman, And I tell you all the time until I have to run up in your room, rushing you while you getting dressed and you step out the shower, We.

Get out of the shower, put your pats on home.

I forget that you are trends until sometime until I see you naked because I'm talking to my girlfriend and you always gonna be talking to your girlfriend.

Yes, And speaking of talking to your girlfriend.

Our next segment is called Rebel with a Cause.

Now, this show is called the Outlaws for a reason, and it's so often an outlaw or pariah in our culture is ironically really someone whose heart is in the right place.

Uh, someone with the courage to speak up and stand out and push back when it matters most.

They're the rebels at heart, the voices of our time, challenging the status quo and making a difference.

Tell me about your mission and what drives you and what you're fighting for and how we can join the movement.

Wow, what I'm fighting for honestly, with our conversation went a whole different direction.

I'm fifty five, and it's something about since I turned fifty, I almost feel like it's almost like society makes older women invisible.

Yeah, like we ain't important all of a sudden, I'm you know what I'm saying, Like we're not important anymore.

So my mission is to let y'all know we're still here.

We still got it.

Yeah, we're taking half y'all, young men, we still got it.

We strapped, we leaving you the scraps.

My mission is is for just being comfortable in your skin.

It took me fifty years to love me.

Wow, I've always liked me.

I thought I was a nice person, but I think it took me fifty years to actually love me.

I love who I am.

I love my life.

I love my friends, I love my family.

We may not always like each other, but I love I love the life that I've built, and I'm super excited about seeing where it's going.

My mission is, honestly just for people to live in their truth and to respect each other.

And well, you know what, we all gonna meet the Maker one day.

Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you right now, he ain't gonna say, Legry, you lived a perfect life.

He's she They them, Okay, Well, whoever up there.

Are not gonna say I lived a perfect life.

But I hope you see that I try.

I hope until that that that won't come back, you know.

And he makes me sing a little bit.

But other than that, man, I hope you can he can say that I tried.

So at fifty five, you still it still get greased up?

Well again it did.

It's not as greasy.

It's coming back though.

But that was chemo.

That was chemo.

Chimo did a whole You wouldn't monkey ranch.

When I look at you, you wouldn't believe it.

You wouldn't believe it.

When I want you to sitt in a cross looking at you, you wouldn't believe none of the stuff you went through.

I got surgery in two months.

It's not over.

But the thing for me was the what got me through it again was my great circle.

But I never wanted to internalize that I was sick when I got up every day, when I was leaving my house, you wasn't.

I wasn't wearing that little beanie cap on my head.

I lost all my hair, I lost all my eyebrows, my eyelashes.

I didn't have a single piece of hair on my body.

My vision changed.

I couldn't drive at night because my vision changed.

Mahu Ha changed.

Nobody tell you that shit.

Mahu Ha changed my skin.

I ate the aches and the pins.

Think about it.

Chimo is a chemical.

And when you and chemo and you watch your nurse come over and put the little suit on because they can't get it on their skin.

They can't.

That stuff can't touch them.

But you hear it.

Inject this in my veins.

It's getting ready to go to every single thing in my body.

Chemo don't know if cancer is just right here, get just right here.

It's going to everything in my body.

So everything in my body changed.

I hurt from head to toe, but I ain't want.

Nobody to know it.

On the days that were good, I got up, I put.

My face on, pick which wig I was gonna wear that day, put my heels on when I could.

Then I got neuopathy.

So I have some cute little shoes for.

Neuropathy, and I got I went out and I loved that.

Every time I went to chemo, my nurses, I had the greatest nursing staff.

They would always say, we just waiting to see what she gonna wear when she come in here.

Because I might be.

Pocahontas one day.

I might have a dress on one day, and I wouldn't internalize being sick, so when I look in the mirror, I couldn't see a sick person.

Put your face on.

Get up.

But one of the best things that I ever did, and I know you're gonna laugh, was get my puppies.

I got two dogs in the mystic Chemo.

What it did was it made me get up every single day.

I had to take my dogs outside.

I had to take them for a walk when I when my body said, no, get up, get out of bed, feed your dogs, take them outside, let them run, let them play, and that love and kissing, the puppy love.

You know, my son was there, but it ain't nothing like them puppies.

Them puppies followed me everywhere I went, the snuggles, the hud.

They needed me, and it made me get up every single solitary day, every single solitary day.

That was one of the best things I did was get my dogs.

I bought my home during then and everybody's oh wait, wait, you shouldn't.

Don't you know you don't know what's gonna happen.

Would you tell me you kept living?

Would you tell me.

Not only my house, my dream house, get you get it, go get your core.

Those were the things that just kept me going.

Life wasn't over.

Life wasn't over.

I didn't want to go to the they want you to go to therapy for the group, therapy for cancer patients.

I don't want to hear your story.

I don't want to internalize your sickness.

So let me just keep my little circle small, let me keep all the people that needed to be around me.

Let me get up and take care of my dogs and take care of my family.

And before you knew it, it was over.

Yeah, and you listen.

I was over that cry.

You said, stop crying.

I got time for you to cry.

Cry over there, don't cry in front of me.

I I don't know what you I don't know what you cried.

I'm not sick.

She said, she gonna get this.

They gonna cut this out, and we gonna keep going.

And that was the best thing I could have done.

We went out of eight.

I state, I sure do get I still like my filet I like my file at you know, we had a good time and I still traveled.

I could be sick in bed, or I could be sick on the beach.

I chose the beach, so I was going all the time.

I gotta say it was.

And I think that's the way that you you got to get through you know who I see do that.

Even though we bump here us a lot.

My mama said, don't speak that over me.

Don't you dare say handy kept over me, because when you start toe that, that subconscious will start internalizing that.

And I can't live my life like that.

I still got some mother fucking me to speaking of fuckinging that.

The next segment is called ban it Bitch.

It's time to ban it bitch.

This is where we call out what's going on the powers that be.

Uh.

This is what we call it was Uh.

It's time to ban it, bitch.

This is where we call out what's gotta go.

The powers that be are banning all the wrong things.

Drag shows, books, celebrating LBGTQ, voices, anything that shakes their dusty little comfort zones.

But let's be real, there are some things in this world that actually need to go.

Shoes off on the plane, meetings that should be emails and the cost of eggs.

Ban it.

So here's how it works.

We each get one minute to make our case, no holds barred, off the cuff from our heart, whatever's on your mind.

I'll go first to show you how it's done.

Producers, can you set a timer for a minute.

Okay, So show me how it's done.

Show me how it's done.

You ready, all right?

Ready?

Three?

Two?

What I'm a black woman.

You can't do that to me.

Oh I'm supposed to respond just that a black woman.

You can't do that to me.

I'm a black woman.

You can't do that to me, band it bitch.

Okay, next you you go, Oh, I.

Gotta name something.

Yeah, okay, I don't.

Oh goodness, I just when I said it just left my mind.

Okay, I'm a black woman.

Let's start that again.

Start that again, tylers, I'm a black woman.

You can't do that to me.

Band it bitch.

You gotta ban that for me, Leger, because it's just like, yes's the thing.

You can't hit a man and then become a black woman.

That's what I'm saying.

You can't hit me.

Hide behind the shield.

You can't do that, and they say, now I'm in trouble.

You can't be the instigator and then hide behind something that is truly, something truly that needs to be protected.

You can't instigate it and then hide behind it and be like, Okay, well now I'm gonna do it.

I'm gonna run out here, I'm gonna bush you across the head with a bottle.

I'm gonna stab you in your throat, I'm gonna slice your your your kneecap, and you're not and you're not allowed to hit me there.

And you can't do that in to me because I'm I'm a black woman, a right, Okay, Well you know what, I have a black son, and in this new.

Era of regime, which regime that's getting ready to come forward, Hey, you I have a black son.

I'm gonna say speak for him.

You can't do everything to the black man.

You can't say everything to the black man.

You can't treat the black man any kind of way just because he's black.

Oh I did I think I started.

I'm speaking for my son.

I'm speaking for my son, all right.

So let's go from the top.

Count me in and now I'll go because I'm just gonna go right back, Okay, go right back to yours.

All right, So we got one minute here we go.

For me, I want to ben I'm a black woman.

I'm in distress, and then you go out there and you you do ill shit, and then you come back in under the cover of like, hey, protect me because I'm a black woman, and because I do believe in protecting black women.

I do not the ones that insight, not the ones that instigate, not the ones that the aggressors.

Not the ones that are are are being evil and malicious.

Not those ones.

I'm not saying they didn't deserve protection, but I'm just saying that they are not.

If you started, bitch, you were a black woman when you started it, be a black woman all the way through.

Don't get over here jumping in saying now now you need to be protected when you were, when you were the aggressor.

That's just how I feel.

And yeah, and I love black women and I'm gonna always fight for black women.

But if you're an instigator, you on your own.

I love that.

Well.

I'm gonna speak for my son.

Okay, okay, with us getting ready to go into this new regime, I'm gonna speak for my son because I never felt fear until him leaving the home, until we had that president that is now becoming president again, where Karen's felt like they had the right to say and do what they wanted to do to our black men, or or to to.

Incite or to make up lies.

You remember how much how much hatred that came out during that regime, and we're ready to step into that again, and they feel like they have more power now.

So I'm speaking for my son.

That the police being able to do what they what they want to do on site.

We already know where that's going to be directed at, at at the at the minority community.

So I'm speaking to ban some of the policies that we know are coming that's going to be directed not just at trans, but at trans, at black, at LGBT, at minorities.

I say, ban it, ban it, ban it, ban it, dan it all right, So I mean unbanded, you know.

And I just here's the thing.

I'm on both sides of that with that, because listen, here's the gag.

You want to know the gag.

But I'm gonna gag and gonna say something that's gonna shake the table.

I'm a black man.

Hello, I'm a black woman.

Hello, I'm a black train.

Hello, I'm a I'm a black LGBT.

There's so many layers and nuances to to things that affect me.

Absolutely that I fall under all the categories.

It that way, m hm.

You check all the boxes, all the boxes.

So when I talk to my black people who watch me, and I tell them that I'm in danger, absolutely don't other me.

You've othered me when I check when I fit all the boxes.

But you've othered me as soon as you think the rainbow, as soon as you think that I'm the Skittles girl.

Stop othering your people.

Yes, yes, black people, stop others your people.

When we were down in that race to the White House, when it was time for that, and I seen the people saying, oh, I'm not going because she's upholding things for gay people.

I'm black first, that when they see you down the street, they're gonna see you black first.

I'm black, I'm a black male, I'm a black transgender woman.

I'm fat.

Let's be not even talking about when we start getting down to it, we start breaking the coverage down.

I have pre existing conditions, everything absolutely so there were so many things that were so when we say you're in danger, you're in danger.

Yes, from every category, from every category.

See me as a human, if I could see you, if I could know you as a black woman, was down there fighting for me, and you was fighting for me, not just because it was for me, because it was for you, just for your son and for these all these things.

And I know as those black men that set that out.

When I was down there in that booth, I wasn't just voting for me.

It was voting for all of us, for all of us.

And that's that's white as well.

That affects women no matter what color you are.

Yeah, you were voting for everybody.

Well you know, usually people vote according to their household.

Yeah, I mean, but you were voting for everyone.

Yeah, Legra, it has been amazing we have had you for having me.

I had a good time.

I know we're hongry.

Yes, we all listen.

You are always welcome to come back to give us updates.

Where can the people find you?

You can go to info at Global Travelers LLC dot com, or you can go online at Global Travelers and Company dot com.

Yeah, and then you know you got so much events putting together for me, and you know, some other folks, some other folks, and you know you're amazing, You are amazing.

You're amazing person.

I thank you, thank you so much for being here with me today.

Thank you for having me.

This has been the Outlaws.

Y'all.

Outlaws is a production of The Outspoken Network from iHeart Podcasts and Turtle Run Entertainment.

Co created by Tyler Rabinowitz and Olizia Piece, I'm your host Tias Madison.

We are executive produced by Tyler Rabinowitz, Maya Howard and Tias Madison.

Our simpervising producer is Jessica Krincicch and our producers are Joey pat and Carmen Braul.

Our video editor is Tyler Rabinowitz, and our sound editor is just Crimechicch.

Our associate producer is Trent high Tower.

Special thanks to our producers assistant Daniel Rabinowitz.

Our theme song is composed by Wazi Merritt.

Our show art is by Pablo Montana.

I Got You next week, Honey,