Welcome to Ready to be Romanced.

I'm Tori, I'm Denise, and today we're discussing.

Praise.

Oh my God, welcome back to the podcast.

Thank you so much for coming on.

Oh my gosh, thank you so much for having me.

I listen to your I'm a regular listener and thank you for this book especially.

I'm very happy to be here to talk about this literature.

Glad literature.

I texted Denise and I just was like, oh, I just want to check in like, how's the book going?

Because you never know.

It's like if you commit to reading a, a book for a pod, like, you know, a month, six weeks out, like you want to do a check in midway.

And so I was like, how's the book going?

She goes, oh, I've read what, five of six of the series?

I'm like, you read the three?

There's like three more that I read.

And she did keep a lot of the character like it's.

Yes, it's literally the only.

Yeah, it's all like you meet the characters and everything.

It's I didn't read them because I thought they were good, but I couldn't help myself honestly.

I get that.

I actually read Eyes on Me a few years ago and then which is the second book, and then read this one for the first time, even though honestly, I kind of feel like I've read it before.

I was kind of having like Deja Vu and I was like, I don't know if it's like, 'cause it revolves around the sex club and I do feel like a lot of sex clubs, like, like if that's the setting of the book.

I do feel like a lot of the plot is like the same like girl who doesn't know kink does or like doesn't, yeah, doesn't know what it is or like, hasn't explored it.

Oh.

Yeah, Oh my God, Taylor's all this time a billionaire man CSM finds this young girl who is like mousy but innocent and just heard how to love kids and.

Everyone's obsessed.

With her.

That was something that was something that like, not to get too into, but that was something that was like so annoying to me, 'cause it's like, and I get it, 'cause it's like you.

I think it's like you wanna, you're like, I wanna be that girl or whatever that like I but like, Oh my God, I when it when it they were like, she needs to be a part of the auction.

I was like, fuck off.

She's some random bitch.

And I was like, that was crazy.

I'm sorry, I don't wanna get ahead of it, but.

That that part.

I had a lot of thoughts but in the I feel like it happens in a lot of romance books the the addiction.

Like I think there was like 1 quote that I highlighted where he was saying to her like I'm addicted to you.

You were made for me.

I and like all of these books when they say that I'm like it does feel sexy in a book but it just feels overplayed.

And it's so loved by me.

I was like, you guys have gone on like one official date or whatever.

You've known each other.

Like the timing is like 2 months or something like that in the book.

And also like, and I know that these books aren't for this, but it's like you don't know her from a fucking hole in the wall.

Like you don't actually know.

Like they didn't even talk about her dad together.

I mean, yeah.

Like or or like Sophie, which she didn't need to specifically talk about Sophie be like she doesn't even like talk about like her life or like anything outside.

Like we don't know what she's studying in school.

We don't know like literally any of her hobbies or anything like that.

So I'm like, how do you know that this girl is made for you?

Like I get it, like you guys enjoy having sex with each other, but like.

But not even in the beginning, do you want to start with how I guess you should go through.

I don't want to jump ahead with how they meet because the meeting they're meet cute.

Was the.

Fucking because was also it's like right away in the beginning, I'm like, oh, we're in for a bumpy ride.

100% so spoiler warning, we'll be discussing praise but not anything that comes after this one.

And I want to put out a content warning that we're going to be discussing discussing kink, specifically BDSM like Dom sub relationships, a little bit of transphobia and the relationship is an age gap relationship and I feel like this is the most kinky book I've covered on the.

Pod is this.

Oh my God, I'm honored.

Yeah, strap in.

Well, I feel like the other one might be priest, but I think this is well, this is the the most kinky.

Perfect.

And you know what?

I think you picked the right person to be on the most kinky podcast episode because I'm ready.

Agreed, also in the grand scheme of things wasn't actually that kinky, but we'll we'll just.

I think so, yes.

I think so, yeah.

You think it was really okay?

I'm I'm a freak, I guess.

Like, okay, okay, okay, let's no, let's talk about that.

When we get to what she's what she gets out to.

But it's written by Sarah Kate.

It was published March 17th, 2022.

And it starts with a little prologue where we meet our main male character, Emerson Grant.

He's 40 years old.

This was seven years ago, so I guess he was like 33.

He worked in the entertainment industry with a bunch of his friends and they get laid off and they decide to start a dating app specifically where you can sort by what your kink is.

You can find another person who has the same kink as you and then eventually they decide to open up a sex club.

I'm sorry, first of all, with that app idea, only men would come up with that.

Doesn't that exist?

They like I, I was like, this was written in 2022.

I was like, there is like, what's that dating app field or whatever?

Like there are dating apps that like for people like that, like kink and stuff like that or like just non traditional like monog relationships.

And I was like, you're acting like this is like fucking genius.

And I was like, it's kind of basic.

And also, I have a male friend who is on that app, Feld, whatever.

And I've asked him.

I'm like, have you met with anyone there?

He's like, no, it's mostly all men.

And then couples looking for maybe 1/3 anything in the conversation starts and ends really quickly.

I'm like, of course, that app would probably be mostly men because not because women aren't into kink, but the danger presented of like, finding some guy who's like, yeah, I'm into BDSM and like, kind you up and all these kinks and like, you're gonna meet him for dinner.

I don't know.

I would be like shit.

I'm a little worried, yeah.

Like worried.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's so funny that you say that because I think so.

I think the thing with BDSM and a lot of kinks is like the important part is like consent and respect, because I just think that like, you're right, That's so, so much of it.

And please correct us as if I if we're wrong, because I do think like we're not experts, I would say, but I'm like, I'm not, I don't want to speak on I'm.

Actually, yeah.

Yeah, she's like, well, the sex club I own like, yeah.

But I, it does really feel like, and maybe this is just how I've experienced it recently, but like, I just feel like so much of it in books does come from like a place of consent and mutual respect.

But so much of it IRL, like when you're playing with power dynamics and stuff like that.

But it seems like IRL, like a lot of it is just like, it's more like control and like massaging.

And I know that that's not everyone I feel like.

That's not everyone but but here's the thing.

I read a book that I wish I could remember the name.

It was like it's about serial killers and like the history of serial killers.

And there was 1 chapter about how like back in the day when they were like burning witches and all of the all that stuff that the torture chambers, they would find women like the priests and all the men in the town would be like this woman is a witch.

And then they would put her and like tie her up in like bondage and then like insert whatever objects into her and like rape her repeatedly.

And that was like.

But now, like with BDSM, with all the ropes and chains, like those old medieval like torture things are really modeled after that, which gave me a different.

Yeah, the Saint Andrew's Cross that she was talking.

About yeah.

And thinking about that, I felt a little bit like, like, it is a weird, I don't know what the psychology behind it is, but like the idea of men wanting to like inflict any sort of pain on a woman, like strangling, like spanking, slapping things like like nipple clamps feels like I, I know that a woman, you can give consent and be into it, but there's just still something about it that I'm like, I don't know that it's actually OK psychologically.

I know there's this book that I want to read that's called like, why are they into that or why are you into that or something like that.

And it is a book exploring like the origin of kinks, which I think is really interesting and.

Like women have it.

It's like a thing, like rape fantasies, like gangbang fantasies, Like, why do they exist?

Because they do it.

It's normal.

Like we all like, you know it's, but you don't ever want it to happen in real life.

But then it feels weird.

I'm like, where are we getting it from?

Yeah, I think a lot of like the rape fantasy stuff is like is like taking having control of a situation, like kind of taking back control and like actually giving consent to have I guess.

Yeah, right.

Like forceful sex or whatever.

But yeah, I, I know, I know.

I'm always like.

Bernie Sanders wrote a like back when he was in college.

You were like a thesis about the dangers of porn that depicts women getting like gang raped or torture porn and stuff.

And people got mad at him.

They were like, he's disgust, of course, because people like had to hate on Bernie Sanders.

But it's actually so in really interesting and like.

And it's so in, it is so ingrained now that I'm back dating people and like having casual sex.

It's so crazy not to get too but like how casual people are with like choking and stuff like that.

It is.

It's crazy.

Like it.

It's definitely like way different from when I was hooking up with people prior to my X Like it's and like it really shows you the you're right, the OR like some of it is just so like it's like you're performing porn, like the way that it just happens and I'm like this.

It really shows you.

It's so interesting to me of just like of how that's.

What they're learning, they can.

Tell the effects, the effects of porn, like really, and like we're talking about, you know, the kind of classic porn I know that there's like ethically made and feminist porn and stuff like that, but like the stuff that.

The men are watching on porn.

It's not the.

Yeah, it ain't that.

Yeah, so it is, actually.

So it is.

Crazy the strangling thing, the choking thing cuz some girls they're into it, but the way that but it's also I guess to me, and maybe I'm the brood here or I'm the problem, but I just feel like any man, why do you want to?

What are you getting out of it?

The idea of like, what is, what's the thrill of like putting your hands around my neck and simulating choking me Like, I don't know.

I don't.

I don't love the idea of that, that you like that.

Yeah, I know.

I I get it.

I totally get it.

But they're comp it's like, and also with this book, it's like complicated all these things as we are like you, you don't want to be kink shaming.

Yeah.

But then I'm I'm also very real realistic about like how much of it is women having learned to please men or like what our ideas are of like.

I was thinking about that with the praise kink.

It's so I know it's like she's just dying for his for him to be good girl to to praise her.

Yeah, to say good girl and stuff like that, which I'm not going to say like that.

I like that too.

But like I, I, I did learn more about praise king because I was like, doesn't everyone basically have a praise king?

Because it's like, who doesn't like to be told that they have a good they're they're they're doing a good job, right?

But it's obviously very like specific.

And this is obviously yes, like in a like on the more extreme end of kink.

But yeah, wild.

Times, wild times and this book damn opens up quickly with the kinks.

They bring out the kinks instantly and it also starts with we're learning about this girl Charlie, who isn't It's annoying that she has a boy's name, but also not, you know, there's a lot of character.

So I kept confusing like Charlie because it's but it's a cute name, but she's dating Beau.

It is some loser, yes, 21 year old I guess, who's poor that we think he's poor without a job or something in the beginning.

Yeah, who cheated on her?

And they break up and the damage deposit to their apartment gets sent to this man's house.

So Charlie has to go get the damage deposit cuz she's also brown.

Do you call it a damage deposit in Canada?

Yeah, what do you call?

IT security deposit.

Cute.

Yeah, No, we call it a like if someone said security deposit to me, I would know what they're talking about.

But yeah, we call it a damage deposit and she needs it.

Back 5000 bucks?

Hell yeah, I would want it back too.

Yeah, totally.

And she goes and it's this really rich older man, and it happens to be.

Her ex boyfriend's father who's a billionaire allegedly or like a multi millionaire.

Very rich.

Then how is his?

That app took off.

That app off the ground, the sex club open.

She arrives and there's like an assistant or like a housekeeper.

So she's like, oh, just go into his office and wait for him there.

And she thinks that it's a sub, a new submissive that he because he's like auditioning Subs.

And she thinks like, oh, I'm just going to go wait in his office so we can conduct business, I guess.

And so he's like, get on your knees or whatever.

And she's like ha.

But then she's like, but I actually like kind of want to do this.

This guy is so hot and like I like feel compelled to do it but.

I mean, imagine you're walking into like a bit like you're trying to pick up your security deposit.

So you're walking into what you assume is like your management, like real estate management office.

You go in there waiting and the guy walks in and tells you to get on your knees.

I'm sorry.

When the when she's like, I'm into it.

I'm like girl, what unrealistic.

That is also, I've also read so many billionaire romances where it's like this girl's applying for a job, but then like the guy thinks it's like, like, like it's so, it's so crazy to me.

Like it's so crazy.

And also, why would she be waiting in his office?

Like have you ever like are like, yes, just go into this person's office?

Like usually you'd be waiting in like the lobby or something.

How often does this stuff happen?

Like is this really, like obviously with romance novels, a lot of it is like make believe or like, you know, someone's fantasy or whatever.

But like, do you think that this has happened in real life?

I mean, probably if, if he's auditioning submissives.

So this is the business that he's running, I guess, like you could see.

But it's all.

I mean it also was weird because his submissives are his secretary, which is another part of the plot that's like a little murky.

And thank you.

So the murky parts and This is why I hate how kink is often ridden because you're right that it's like, I feel like a lot of like they talked about this a lot in 50 Shades too, where it's like they just murk it up with like dubious things where it's supposed to be not.

Dubious.

At all.

And it's like he's 40, she's 21, he's her boss, which he eventually gets a job there.

Spoiler alert.

As his secretary.

And the it's the ex boyfriend's dad.

So it's like there's obviously so much at play there.

That's not that's not even revolving around the king.

No, and it's also like, OK, where is there HR because why are you hiring all of his secretaries that he hires are.

All Maggie like.

They're also.

Maggie, where are you like?

It.

Feels, yeah.

Why didn't it have to be that way?

Like what?

There's a lot she could have left out, but OK, here we are.

This is what the plot is.

She gets in there to get the money and comes out with the job.

Yeah, she she likes it.

And he's like, Oh my God, I'm obsessed with this girl like immediately.

But then she's like, I don't know why I'm doing this.

Like I'm here for the damage deposit.

Like I'm Bo's ex-girlfriend and he is like fucking shocked.

And then he's like, OK, I'll give you the damage deposit back and I'll give you more money to be quiet.

Like don't tell Bo and she asks for $250.

Like she's so like she's so cringe.

Like he's a billionaire.

I would have been like 20.

Yeah, I mean, and also because her ex-boyfriend, his son, was an abusive piece of shit.

I'd be like, not only do you owe me the security deposit, you owe me damages from the doormat.

Yes, that your son did to me.

Go.

Father, your son, Yes, literally.

And she is really conflicted because she identifies as a feminist and she's like, I don't know why.

I'm like preening for this guy's attention.

So when she Googles him later for that night, she finds out that he owns Salacious Players Club and all those dating services.

So like in all the time they were dating, did she never did they never talk about their parents?

This was another gripe and grumble I had was was that they had only dated for like 9 months or something.

I was like, why do you live with this man?

Nine months.

You wouldn't know what their dad does like you would be like, oh who are you telling me about your.

Family.

I don't.

Yeah.

Why don't you talk to?

Why don't you talk to your dad?

Why do you hate him?

And also why you living with this man?

Yeah, at 21, that you've known for nine months, like, that seems crazy to me.

But she's, like, learning.

She doesn't know a lot about kinks, so she's like doing a a big Google search.

It reminded me of like Bella.

Googly vampire like she's like what are kinks like Google, you know, so funny.

So funny, but he's so obsessed with her that he goes to her place of work, which is a skating rink and he calls her Charlotte because he has to be like, I don't know.

He's also very pick me.

I feel like.

But he's like, do you want to be my secretary?

And she's like, OK, but I feel like your secretaries are also Subs.

Do you think I'm a prostitute basically?

And he's like, no, I actually just want you to be a secretary.

But she like.

Isn't upset doesn't she like she gets her feelings hurt?

She she she does get her feelings hurt.

She's surprised he isn't embarrassed about being so open about what he's interested in.

And she asks how she did, like kneeling or whatever.

And he was like, you were exceptional.

And I was like, what?

This was the funniest thing when she was like, yeah, I'll work.

I'll I will be your your secretary.

I do need the money, but I need to ask morally, like for my conscience is salacious players club LGBTQ friendly.

That part I was like, Oh my God, we fuck.

And like, this is it's the equivalent of when the Democrats were like doing kneeling with those scarves on, like for Black Lives Matter, like, or the equivalent of the signs during Trump's State of the Union that are like, this isn't normal.

Like it felt like I just need to make sure it's all it's like, yeah, OK, like we get it.

Like that's your more.

Like you're not.

So glad to know.

And like, obviously it's a club.

What the fuck do you think that they're that it's the only kink club that is very strictly heterosexual.

Like, come on.

Yeah, like it's, it was so fucking funny.

So she goes shopping because she needs a new secretary wardrobe and she bumped into Bo already with a New Girl and he's pissed because she didn't get his half of the check.

So.

And she's like, you just have to go see your father to do that.

And she shows up for her first day of work.

And she's in a sexy outfit.

Red lips, black pencil skirt, see through shirt.

Can I also sorry I had to find the chapter because that chapter when she sees them all the chapters are also titled so funny like.

Foggy, shoot me in the face.

That chapter was rule number six.

Avoid malls for the risk of running into your ex while holding bags of lingerie you fantasize wearing for his dad.

Wow, that happened very quickly.

And correct me if I'm wrong cuz again, I read Eyes on me a long time ago.

I think all of the chapters.

Are rules right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's cringe.

I have a staunch take on this podcast that anything like above the writing like any chapter titles, any quotes?

Like in frickin the 4th wing and all.

Like 4th wing, iron flame, Onyx.

Yeah, I I don't give a fuck about those, but.

Apparently they're semi important and like then I had to go back and like what?

Did I know they're like so important and I just like don't care.

I don't care if there's a map or anything like that.

But then I I listen to Onyx Storm via audiobook, so I was forced to listen to them.

It was so annoying.

I'm like, if it's because sometimes it's like meaningless stuff, but then sometimes they throw in important things and I'm like, like, why can't you just write that into the chapter that I'm reading?

No, seriously, I digress.

Thank you.

I digress.

So she goes to work.

What's her outfit that she picks for her first day of work?

Is is insane?

Is it insane through shirt?

I yeah, I'm like a black Lacy bra.

I just like don't see this happening IRL.

And I know that this isn't supposed to be like realistic, but like, I don't know.

But she's like really confident.

Like all of a sudden she like is confident and he's like surprised because I think obviously she's more shy, but she like also she's so dumb.

She's like, so what's your kink?

Or like she like they they end up going to the club later and she just like walks up to people and she's like, So what kink do you have?

I was like, that's.

Which I would probably do actually too.

That would be me because I'd be like, oh, we're in a kink up.

I'm like, what are you into?

I would absolutely be like you.

What?

Like what's your thing?

I feel like if you were like chatting at the bar or something like sure, but she literally is like hi nice to meet you, I'm Charlie, what's your kid?

We are in a king club, you know.

True.

It's true and he's giving her a tour, but he gets called away and so Garrett, one of the other owners of the the bar, the lawyer I think, shows her around and takes her into a room that's just a throne with like a double sided mirror or whatever so people can watch.

Lawyer room because isn't his kink Garrett is voyeurism.

Is a voyeur.

And she's like, why would anyone like this?

And he's like, why do you think, like, a woman will sit here and like, yeah, so he, like, sits her down in the chair and, like, touches her, like, kneels in front of her and, like, touches her leg or whatever.

But I was like, you're so dumb.

Why do you think people would like that?

Yeah, like why do you think people people watch porn?

Like do not like what do you mean?

Why would people be into it?

Duh.

But it's also weird.

The mirror was it like people can see in but you can't see the people looking, right?

I think so.

I think so would do these.

I'm I'm like literally such a naive loser.

Do these clubs exist IRL?

Because I've been to like a sex club.

It was like performances, but it was like a stage.

It wasn't like rooms.

With Oh no, they absolutely exist.

And I'm and and in LA especially and I have a couple.

I was in New York.

I was.

In new I have a friend who I won't obviously name but they her and her husband went to one and they said that people were just like fucking everywhere like in all rooms and they had different floors like you could go to a different floor to do different things.

But they did say that everyone there was mostly unattractive which tracked which felt also like.

That tracks.

Like I also get like what you're saying like play parties where there's like rooms and people are just like fucking or like having group sex like everywhere.

But like the double mirror thing.

I'm like does that but.

I guess she said that like there was one room where you could just watch and like while people were fucking, other people were like obviously starting to masturbate or something watching them.

Like this?

Great.

Yeah, I don't I it is not my kink.

It would not be my kink only because like, not only because, but it's like I like the it's better with the idea of them not being able to see who's watching them, but it's also creepy.

Like who are the people behind the glass watching?

And that Garrett guy, his whole character is all about.

He's always in rooms, he's always spying.

He's always like lurking around a corner watching people fuck.

I'm like OK, which?

Isn't supposed like that type of voyeurism is illegal?

Like you have to have the consent of like the whole part of voyeurism as a kink is that you are consenting to being watched and you like being watched and they like watching you.

But you're so right.

I'm like, what kind of like gross guy is like.

He's just and he, from what we know in this book, he's not having sex like he isn't getting laid.

It's also like it's one of those things too where it's like if it's a hot guy, like if it's Garrett watching you, you're like, oh, cuz he's like so hot.

And then it's like, but if it's like a boss like old man, you would be like.

Yes, I'm not like, OK, if like and not even politics aside, if like Elon Musk or Donald Trump was like watching me have sex, vomit bomb, terrifying, horrifying horror movie like Chuck Schumer watching me have sex.

No thanks.

Like any of those like old decrepit creeps.

Gary Busey wouldn't want it.

And I don't know who's hot enough that I would be happy with them watching me like Austin Butler, but I'd also be like, Austin, what are you doing here?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'd be like, get in here.

Yeah, who am I having sex with?

You don't need to, just watch.

Yeah, then I would be upset.

So I don't know.

Not my kink, but.

Yeah.

Teach their own.

Teach their own.

Teach their own teach their own.

Emerson walks in on them and he's pissed, pissed because obviously he's obsessed with her already.

So he's like don't touch her ever again.

And after work, she takes her sister to get like comic books of I do like like her relationship with her sister, but they missed the release of a manga book or whatever.

And she flirts with the cashier to get what she wants.

And I guess this is supposed to demonstrate that she's coming into her sexuality.

Yeah, but also, why wouldn't they give?

They weren't sold out of it, so why did you have to flirt with them to get it?

It was so dumb.

Also like every scene with Gwen and Sophie I was like FF like I like.

I speed through.

Like sorry I I did not care but they continue to work together.

It's like normal.

But he one day asks her, what suit should I wear to the club opening?

And she's like, black would be sexy, but like, the blue would be like regal or whatever.

And she does truly one of the cringiest things.

I was like, are you in high school?

She goes, can I like read your palm?

Like she's like, like, I was like, girl, this is so weird.

So she's like, you have like a long love line or like I guess what they're talking how it comes to be is she's like, oh, like who's your date to the opening?

And he's like, I don't have a date.

Like I don't date or.

Whatever I don't date I don't date.

I only have secretaries that I sometimes fuck that I that I fuck I'm a 40 year old man who is also I have to highlight that they this man, they keep how old he is or like this old like I was imagining like older but I'm like I'm almost 40 like what the fuck like I.

Know, I know, I know.

He it's hard to even imagine him as like this billionaire.

I'm like, he's 40 and a billionaire.

Morning this club in what world?

But sure.

The original book cover is like him where he looks like George Clooney now and I was like Sarah Kate.

40 year olds do not look like that.

No, and like the age got was like she's so much older.

I'm like, but he also did we ever find out?

Like he must have had his son when he was 20.

Yeah, yeah.

So he OK, because I also have issues with the age gap in general, but I'm like, OK, so he is taking he had a child at 20 when he was the same age as Charlie and like he has no, he doesn't see an issue with like taking away the years of her life of like her youth that he had.

I mean, it just boggles, boggles me and grosses me out.

But that's fine.

Emerson, you're hot.

I guess.

Let's continue.

She reads his palm.

Cuz that's another skill set that she has, you know?

And then he like, kind of kisses her, like, really gently.

And she's like, oh, my God.

And then they're like, we'll never do this again.

And I was like, yeah, that's your boss.

Yeah, well, and you need this job, But like, there's literally no context in this book other than them.

And fucking cuz it's like, why do you actually need this job?

I guess to pay off your student loans?

But it's like we don't know.

I don't, I don't know anything about your life other than.

No.

And like the the case everything, it's like, OK, they're sexually attracted to each other.

They're not really getting to know each other.

It's weird the way like the love happens so quickly and it's unearned.

It's instant love, yes, and not based on anything real other than chemistry.

Yeah, and and chemistry, but like the chemistry is in their brains, like what we hear from them saying, but it doesn't make any sense in actuality to me.

And I think we skipped over this part, but the whole point of Emerson hiring her, obviously he's intrigued by her, but it's like also to he wants a relationship with his son.

Yeah, he's like, maybe this will like, prompt him into talking with me.

Which also feels ethically blurry.

No this is like fucking weird and it again does not get addressed in the ending at all.

But he like calls his son, leaves him a voicemail and was like Charlie works for me now, knowing that would like rage bait him into.

Calling him back like talking to having.

A yeah.

Calling him back, yeah.

And the whole reason that they don't have a relationship is because his son thinks what his dad does is he's a.

Pervert.

Honestly, both they paint out to be like a bad guy, but I I'm on his side here where he's like, my dad's a freaking pervert.

I'm like, yeah, kinda.

Your dad does work in the sex club, which is fine, but your dad also is a man who hired secretaries.

He's 21.

Year olds, yeah.

And yeah, it is.

I know the perverted thing isn't that he works in the entertainment industry and that he has a sex club.

The perverted thing is that he's a 40 year old man lusting over a recent 21 year old.

Employee.

Employee.

Yeah, and who the way that he does execute his like little BDSM with her.

I was reading reviews and people were like, Oh my God, this is what 50 Shades of Grey should have been.

This is so much better.

I didn't like 50 Shades of Grey.

I mean, obviously I read it, watched all the movies like it was fun, but like no part of like his the things that he likes that he does to her as a submissive actually feel degrading and like weird weirder like making her crawl on the floor, making her like.

Have you watched Baby Girl?

I did.

I did.

Isn't this very baby girl coded?

Kind of.

It yeah.

And I liked baby girl but also didn't like it.

Like I didn't know how I felt after I left.

I was like I I and I was entertained, but also not.

I mean this is so uninteresting almost I think.

Yeah, so their work relationship continues.

There's one day where she has to walk to get lunch because her car battery died.

He's really upset that she didn't just ask him to use his car, which like, fuck it.

This also shows her immaturity and how she like does it.

She can't even tell you that her car battery died.

Like that is a red flag to me.

And what?

Year are we living in?

Why does she have to go pick up the food you can't like?

Why isn't it?

Delivery.

Good point like ever heard.

Of it and how is she getting to and from work?

How does he think she's commuting?

Like, obviously she's in a car, she's getting there, public transit.

It's so crazy.

So he's really upset.

So he's like, no, what would make this better is if I rub your feet, could you imagine if your boss was like, let me rub your feet?

I would be like, you know, my brain.

I'd be like douching, douching, douching.

I can't wait to bring this up to HR.

Like, literally.

And she's like, yeah, for sure.

So she starts getting a foot rub.

It's funny how this to me was the grossest thing.

I don't like feet stuff.

But like she touches his erection with her.

Foot, which does look, and I know people are into feet.

There's a freaking foot fetish but appalling, appalling.

I don't even like looking at people and I.

Was watching I was watching Speaking of porn, I was watching porn the other day and this girl starts giving this guy like ahj but a.

Foot.

Oh my God.

I.

Literally was like.

Next, next, next.

Yeah.

It's also like, how do you that it just?

I was like, there's there wouldn't be enough like not suction, but like pressure or like it just looked so weird to me.

So she like starts rubbing his Dick with her foot.

Have you ever?

Heard of a woman with a foot fetish.

I feel like I only ever hear of men with feet fetishes rarely.

And if you are one with a foot fetish, please let let us know.

Yeah, let us know because prove me wrong, prove me wrong.

But it's just feels like something very particular to men in of itself.

If it's something that men really, really love, I automatically assume it's gross.

Yeah.

Like there's something dark sided, there's something sinister about it, but I don't really know what it is, you know?

No, 100%.

But before this could escalate, Beau calls and he's like, Oh my God, I heard you got hired.

And she's like, Oh my God, he told you.

And then he's like, are you sleeping together?

And is like, stay away from my dad.

He's a perv.

And so they're really upset, but he ends up jumping her car.

And like her dad, his dad is a.

Perv.

Also.

Yeah, Actually, no.

What?

One second year.

Why is Bo justice for Bo?

Because it's like he's like, is my dad sleeping with you?

Because he has slept like assuming.

Like he knows that he slept with, not underage.

Women, but of his secretary, underage women.

Yes, so he's like literally like stay away from like I'm telling you, I'm warning you that this could happen.

And it's like, listen, I've already fucked him with my feet.

So gates wide open now go to light about click bye.

They go to the opening of Salacious Players Club and he's really like showing.

Her and Can you imagine like also going to a work event like I've gone to work events with bosses like for but not just like their date and imagine like walking around with them like I would be again HR violations of the wazoo and it and it's also he's caught blocking her from like meeting any of the other age appropriate hotties that are also at the sex club.

Totally.

The one part I did like was when he was like, here's my credit.

Card.

I know we can go shopping.

The least he could do.

Yeah, yeah.

At the party, she sees a woman kneeling next to this guy playing poker.

And she's like, oh, my God, that seems like kind of degrading because he's not paying attention to her.

But then he was like, touching her face.

And he's like, she's like, oh, my God, I like, really like that.

And so she goes and explores the other rooms.

She sees, I think, a girl and a guy like hooking up with this other girl, like this girl's eating this other girl out.

And Emerson finds her in the dark shadow.

In the dark shadows of the sex club of the brothel that I imagine is like in House of the Dragon when the uncle takes the niece to that weird little brothel.

That's what I was imagining.

I'm like, there they are, Uncle, niece.

I just like OK.

This is the other thing about like BDSM and stuff like that, that you just have to fucking laugh.

And again, I'm not saying I'm against any of these, but like you just have to like not take it so seriously because it's like when they were discussing like it's like black leather couches, red lighting, like a jazzy piano or like saxophone or whatever.

It's just, it's so it's just so like.

It's like.

80s girls wearing leather, it's like.

1980's porn, you know, I feel like there's it's, yeah.

It's always like such a cliche of what I'm like, is that actually what a sexy if I could imagine my own sex club.

That's what I'm trying to say and I'm like, do these exist?

I know cuz I'm just like, it's a like, I don't know, it's like there's gold everywhere.

Like there's, I don't know, there's metal and like or like steel or like whatever.

Like I don't know.

I just like, I don't know so but she's getting hot and bothered.

She is horny.

Horny.

This little 21 year old's so innocent, but she's like, I see this girl kneeling.

No, that's me.

That's me.

No, that's me.

Like that's literally me.

Like when I went to that sex club I was pulled up on.

Stage because because I feel like they were like.

Who the?

Look brought.

This child who's never like who's a virgin?

Oh, my God.

And you were their king.

You were the king for the audience.

They were like, yeah, let's get the virgin young girl.

Corrupt her Corrupt.

Oh my God, yeah.

The virgin sacrifice like that's.

Like, like literally.

I was hurt, but he's like, I actually really liked the scene.

He's like.

When he's telling her to masturbate.

Yeah, he's like touch yourself, but he like, he's like kind of like guiding her.

Like he she's touching herself, but his hand is like over her hand.

She I can't remember if she said she had masturbated before, like it wasn't the first time she had no.

No, no, I don't think so.

No.

Yeah, maybe.

But.

But she was, it was the first time she did it in public and she was like I do, but the first.

Time you do it in public.

Everyone has to lose their you know it's hard the first time you know some macerating in public.

Actually crazy sometimes these books like I have such a warped.

Like, actually, I've seen some macerating in public too.

When I was on a subway in New York City and it wasn't hot and sexy.

Let me tell you, it was horrifying.

But literally, literally.

And like, yeah, she's embarrassed afterwards.

After she comes, she's like, Oh no, Oh no, she's embarrassed.

I'm so embarrassed.

But she takes the weekend to think about it and she's like, no, I'm going full full sub mode.

So she does all of her research on what praise kink is.

She research is her limits.

And there's like this list of 200 sex acts that you have to rate on a scale of one to five of like yes or no.

And it's like some of it is like crazy shit, like fisting.

Fisting OK, there are some kinks that I will shame you for.

Fisting Who is who is that fun for?

Who is that fun for?

Because I don't.

Again, prove me wrong.

If you're a woman who likes to get fisted, let me know.

I just can't imagine it feels good.

Like you're saying, it's like whenever you think like who is this getting off?

And it seems like it's just one sided.

Yeah, but then also why is a man getting off and shoving his first up a woman's vagina like that?

Man, you need to talk to something.

You are a danger to a society too.

What the fuck?

Let me shove my fist up your butt hole and see how you like it.

Like no.

This is, this is actually laughable at this point 'cause she brings him the list, she's like kneeling when he walks into the room, not looking at the floor 'cause that's what Subs do.

I guess in in this circumstance.

I'm sure they do other things too.

But he's like, OK, I, I will teach you how to be a sub, but not in the sexual way because she left off on the list.

All of the sexual stuff like that makes this.

No, it's like, no, you're just a sub as like your treat your billionaire be making a poor person submissive to you.

Like that's your case.

I'm like that pretty dirty yuck, like right there.

I'm like, Oh yeah, that tracks that that tracks.

He's like, I just want to be your boss and abuse you as my employee and like degrade you, but nothing sexual.

Nothing sexual.

Insane Then he takes a video call meeting and she has to sit beside him and no one knows.

This was another thing that I was like how?

Cuz like the other part of kink is that you're supposed to have the consent of everybody.

So so like she's doing this sexual act or like sexually charged act and at the end of the book she gives him a blowjob when he's in a meeting too.

And I'm like that is actually like like non consenting like.

No way and.

Like like Louis, like Louis CK, I was in.

High school and I was talking to my guy friend on the phone and he didn't, he didn't tell me at the time, but he was like some he sounded a little bit weird.

Later, like years later, he was like told me that his girlfriend was giving him a blowjob while we were on the phone talking about a school project and he he was laughing about it.

And I honestly still to this day have so much rage about it because I'm like, and it's happened so long ago, but I was like you're then when I even see it, like in that one show with Kevin Spacey House of Cards, they had a scene where the girl's on the phone with her dad while he's going down on her and it like triggered something in me and that in this book too.

I'm like, no, you're right.

And it's the consent of the other people.

It's like you are getting off at the expense of like, you have no idea.

It's the same as when people like.

Which is the opposite of what kink is.

Yeah.

Why voyeurism, the illegal way is bad.

And like, you're, you're totally right.

Like that's, yeah.

Sometimes I feel that way about couples who are overly like they're making out aggressively or like touching each other very sexually in public.

Where I'm like, now it's not you can do whatever the fuck you want, but why do I have to be involved?

Like why do I have to sit here behind you and have to watch you doing it like on an airplane or if we're lying somewhere?

Cuz I'm like, also, why are you getting off on talking to me on the phone while you're getting, I don't know.

And it's again, what's the psychology there?

I don't know, but it can't be good.

Can't be good.

Is she naked right now while he's on the phone call?

Cuz she's.

I don't think so cuz remember it's like not actually supposed to be sexual.

Right, right.

But.

It is, yeah.

So Emerson and Charlie go to a meeting and it's at the club and one of his old Subs, Monica, is there to sell the club sex.

Not one of his old Subs, one of his old secretaries and Subs.

Sorry, my bad.

My bad.

Yeah, the official title secretary off the record title submissive.

She's immediately jealous of Monica.

And she is supposed to answer like when they're in public, like answer like a sub, like plying to his questions in a certain way, saying like, Sir, all of these things.

And she doesn't do that.

So she like embarrasses him or whatever.

It's like you didn't address me properly, Emerson.

It's so crazy and so he has to go like take this meeting with Monica and Drake, who is another.

He is in the crew.

He does like the construction.

And he's hot.

They describe him as hot, super high.

He's in the future.

Books and he gets.

And I really like him.

I like his character.

I feel like I've also read, I feel like I've also read that one, but who knows.

But he is showing Charlie some of the sex toys and there's a remote control vibrator and he like dares her to.

He shows her with his friend who's married like the guy, the only guy in the club who's married Halden.

That's married.

He's also a key player in the future books with Drake.

But yeah, the guy who has a wife who also works in the club, he's trying to find the right vibrator for her, so they ask her to test them out.

Right.

For so that he can be the right one for his wife.

You know how romantic.

But like that also just makes no sense because every woman is different like that.

Just like actually makes.

No.

Like can I try this vibrator on out on you to see if my wife will like it?

Yeah.

Fucking insane.

So she's so mad at Emerson that she's like, sure.

So she goes to the bathroom.

She puts the vibrator.

However, yeah.

And she goes out in public and he like starts to turn it on and she's like immediately coming, which also is like crazy.

What kind of what vibrator is this like?

No, I know.

I was like, can I get my hands on that, 'cause it's like, it's not.

She's like immediately she's like trying not to come.

I was like, and I just was like, that's so unrealistic 'cause I was like, it's not that quick.

So she cuz there was like no foreplay or anything like that.

And I was like, be you're in public.

So there would be, I feel, like an additional barrier to getting off and.

Technically, she also doesn't know Drake or his friend or that guy's wife.

Like Drake is hot.

You know that.

But like Emerson hates him.

You she all she knows is that Emerson doesn't like that guy Drake, who's like the construction worker at the place and he hands her a vibrator and she's like, I will stick this up my vagina.

Sure, like because I'm mad at my boss for going in the backroom with his other secretary.

Well, she But she's also 21, so why don't you give her some slack?

True but Emerson walks in and drakes like haha like.

That's why I like him.

Or he's like she has a vibrator on and like is about to come and.

Pop with a friend like yeah I like that Drake cuz the only one that squirm me.

She's like squirm, yeah.

And Drake doesn't give a fuck.

And that's why Emerson hates him.

He's like, yeah, this is a sex club.

Your secretary's here.

We put a vibrator.

She gave her a vibrator.

She's having fun.

And Emerson acts very reasonably not at all.

Not at all.

He like doesn't talk to her and was just like, we're going out for lunch.

And so he takes her for lunch and the punishment is that she has to she has to eat lunch, which again is like crazy work if you're the server and all of a sudden like this girl is like coming that's.

Why I was fucking.

You're like, no, can I get you the bill?

And she's like writhing on the.

Like at a busy restaurant, because Everson takes the controller and he's like, your punishment is.

And then he starts, like, fucking with the vibrator.

And she's like, again, of course, you know, coming quickly.

Yeah, you're right.

I didn't think about that part.

But like, yeah, now you're including all these innocent bystanders at the restaurant in your creepy kink.

100%.

And like how?

100%.

Why?

I mean, there's just no way.

I'm sorry.

If you're really having an orgasm, you're, if no one knows what's going on you, you're just going to look bizarre.

I don't know, Like I was trying to even picture what she could be looking like at the time, like having a heart attack.

She kind of was like, I was like, you know, literally like, ma'am, do I need to call 909?

Like she did kind of say that he she was like clutching his arm and like had her like face in his neck or something.

Like that?

But how close were they sitting?

Were they in a booth?

That's what I pictured in my head, but I don't know.

Anyway, there they go again, using their kinks on the world and she likes it.

Which honestly.

But you know what's so funny after this?

This is what really.

Cuz then Emerson has, he has a moral issue with himself 'cause he's like, I didn't ask your consent before I use the vibrator on you.

I'm so ashamed of myself.

I because I'm an upstanding man.

And like that was his.

He was so upset that he didn't ask her consent.

I'm like, you motherfucker, could have thought about that a little bit earlier.

Earlier 'cause you're supposed to be like the expert guy.

He's like oopsies.

The title of this chapter was like sometimes punishments can be good or something like.

That like, oh God, yeah.

It was so like, sometimes you look forward to the punishments, which I guess that is like kinky, but.

The chapter I wanted to really also highlight was the one that says dressing like a hooker comes in handy.

As progressive as we are, are we still calling them hookers?

I don't think so.

No, literally this was probably.

2022.

She also she also mentions multiple times how like she lives in the ghetto or like she her apartment was like in the ghetto with Beau or whatever I was like.

Babe, like she's like.

I'm.

Only going to the club if there's if it's LGBTQ friendly but I like guessing like a hooker in my ghetto apartment.

Like what the fucking wife woman is going under?

That's so crazy.

So Beau ends up going to Emerson's house and sees them together and Emerson's like you should catch up with Beau over.

Dinner.

OK, that was also so fucking weird.

So fucking weird.

What was the like?

I don't even remember why did he think that was a good idea.

I remember being pissed at him but I like what was his motivation for this.

Because he was like, I, I think he was saying like he thought his son would be better off.

Like they would, she would be better off with him.

Like, because he's age appropriate.

He thought Beau would be happy and like, like him.

But it was so manipulative because like, yeah, he comes there and he doesn't even ask her if she wants to go to dinner with her.

What we know of him, her cheating loser ex-boyfriend who treated her like shit.

And he's like, yeah, go to dinner together, go out, take her to dinner and leave.

That was weird.

That was so weird.

And of course she gets in the car and immediately her creepy ex who has a creepy dad is like let's just go back to your house and fuck.

Yes and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And she's like, Oh my God, I know when we go back to my house he's going to want to fuck and he she's like, no Bo.

Like we can go eat pizza, but like, I'm not sleeping with you.

I'm not getting back together.

I with you.

I'm a changed woman.

We can go eat pizza even though your dad's a billionaire.

Why the fuck are you taking me to go get pizza with the $50.00 bill?

Or his dad gives him $100 bill or something to take her to pizza?

They again they are 21 so they are 221 year olds.

So cool.

But she does let him into the house, actually.

Yes, yeah.

And Sophie's like, shocked, but she she ends up doubling back, going back to Emerson's house.

Girls always commuting.

Girls always commuting, yeah.

And she's like, why the fuck did you just do that?

And then they actually like start hooking up.

This is like the first time they like officially, officially hook up.

And they have like really good sex.

She says he is the first guy that she feels comfortable with and not self-conscious and he does lots of aftercare, which I liked.

You like you what did like Denise?

Denise is rolling.

Her eyes I guess like aftercare.

I hear the term a lot like it's just what is that?

I think a lot of these kinks are physically overwhelming.

Like she talks a little bit about sub state, which is like this other plane that you enter when there's so much physically, I think going on like your body is so aroused.

And so it is some people actually like pass out and stuff like that.

But probably cause also it's painful, anxious.

Like was he putting the nipple clamps and all that stuff on her?

You like ball gags, Like whatever the fuck.

I'm like, yeah, you were hurting someone.

Like regardless if you like the pain or whatever, it hurts.

It's gonna hurt.

And it has to feel a little bit like you're scared and then like a little bit degrading.

So the aftercare it's like.

Important when you're right that they're like so physically overwhelmed.

Yeah, that that like they can like pass out and stuff like that because like they need it's like a come down almost like there's a big drop, a sub drop where you can yeah, where it just basically a lot of times it's like you need water and like a shower and.

A hot is that is that what happened?

Yeah, it's like that should just be standard after you have sex.

Like yes, I would like a glass.

Of water and.

A hug would be fine.

Literally.

So it's Sophie's birthday.

They're having it at the rink, and this is so fucking weird.

He shows up uninvited, knowing that her sister and her mom are there.

They meet and they're like the mom.

The mom just goes like, yeah, like, I get it.

Like he's fucking hot and he has like a lot of power and stuff.

And I was like, that's insane.

I was like this is a 21 year old and I was like also showing up when.

Unannounced.

You obviously have, yeah.

And you're like, you're like casually.

You're in this casual relationship.

With your boss.

You're also her boss.

But then maybe she doesn't.

You don't know if she wants to tell her parent that.

But also the mom is a fucking freak too.

Mom like this man is 40 years old.

How old is the her mom has to be probably that same age.

I'm sorry I haven't totally.

I have a niece who is I hated that like she dated a man.

My Mama murder.

I would.

I would be having no, I would be having an intervention like the mom was just like like good for you girl.

I was like, that's in, that's.

Insane.

I'm anti mom, anti mom and I'm gonna defend the dad a little bit later.

Who they make out to be like the evil.

Guy, yes, thank.

You the mom.

Yeah.

Like, you're not being a good mom.

You're not being a good mom.

At least ask some questions.

Like, no, wait, isn't that your dad?

Don't.

You work for him.

Do you invite him here?

He's also 20 years older than you.

That's weird.

But he got Sophie anime tickets so everything is OK and they're VIP, so everything is really.

OK, Yeah.

How much are anime tickets?

I'm sorry to like, what was this, a hot, hot commodity?

Like, what did he splurge?

Was this like the Aeros tour?

I don't think so.

No, literally K.

And then they go back to their house and watch a movie together.

And then he's like, I want to see your room because she stays in like, the pool house behind their house.

And then they like, fuck, they will, they like, masturbate.

Oh my God, yeah.

Which was the fuck.

Which there are books I've read where like the the mutual masturbation scenes are written so well and it's like so sexy and hot.

I know it's so hot.

Like, Oh my God, like.

There's one.

Book like you can't touch each other in.

The long December, whatever where it was like last December, where it was like the couple they were on like different timelines or something.

I don't know.

I'm sorry, but it's a very good book.

But they did that perfectly in this mutual masturbation.

I'm not so sure that it was it was felt unrealistic, I guess.

I guess it shouldn't be realistic, but if it was like unearned, it was also no build up and it was I he was trying to encourage her to feel more comfortable sexually, but it felt more like he's like pushing, I don't know.

And also in your in your her childhood bedroom.

I know when the mom and sister are like right there.

The mom and sister are right there and the mom just lets the boss, her 40 year old boss, go privately into her bedroom.

Again, Child Protective Services need to be involved.

Ring a Ding Ding.

Ding fucking Ding.

So he also like looks around her room and sees a bunch of pictures and he's like, who's this?

And we find out that Sophie is trans and that's the reason actually why their dad left them and he's super supportive, so no probs.

And I love, again, it just felt like Sarah Kate throwing in like a progressive, like, you know, this one little like, and she's trans and that's what the dad left.

But Emerson is so progressive.

Progressive he's dating a.

A 20 year old.

Whose cerebral cortex hasn't finished?

Growing.

And how old is her sister Sophie?

Like probably, I don't know you would you would assume like, I don't know, three to five years younger or something.

So she's not even 18 yet.

No, it seemed like she was in high school and having like a high school party.

Oh, was it her 16th birthday?

Maybe.

So 16 and having already transgender have already transitioned.

Don't let the Republicans get any.

Republicans.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, Katie Banst know what's happening in this book.

They'll ban it for sure.

So here's where we get spicy.

So the club is throwing their first event and what is it?

It is a auction for women which I have read so many books with auctions for women.

Which are like actual things that happen in like human trafficking.

And the way that he even pitches the auction to her, she doesn't have a choice.

He's like, you're going to be in the auction.

Oh, that was also insane because I'm like, this whole relationship is supposed to be so consensual and at every point you're taking away her consent.

Like literally she's not supposed to.

She's just there for the event.

And Garrett's like, I want to auction off Charlotte and Emerson's like, no.

But then he's like, OK.

Yeah, he's like, actually sure.

Yeah, and like, he tells her she's upset, and then to make it better, he just has sex with her for the first time without a condom.

This is another thing that romance books do that's so annoying.

Like they're like which is like weird to like even associate STIs with like being unclean and then like it's like I'm clean.

So like we can raw dog and.

Like that was his big thing too.

He's like, you have to get like, motherfucker, you get tested.

No, literally, literally.

Like she's just been sleeping with your son.

For the.

Last nine months.

Like, yeah, and don't they have to be auctioned off in their underwear?

She's like, she's wearing just a bra underwear, isn't she?

Or the other.

Yeah, where you can.

Yeah.

So you can see the spanking marks on her ass.

But like, this was the other thing that I don't like.

It's like, I don't like when people use sex to as the like, 'cause this happened twice in the book where they have a conflict and then he just, they just use sex to solve it instead of like actually like talking.

'Cause she's like finally without a condom.

Oh my God, He, he loves me.

Like, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So she ends up doing the auction.

And this is also fucking annoying.

So of course she's like, everyone's getting about like $1000 Eden, which is like a Madam there, whatever.

Like she got 5000.

I think it was her, some other girl.

She got 5000.

But then I get on stage and the guy that she saw with the sub at the Oak Club opening bids 10,000.

I know.

And yeah.

And she's like the whole book is also her talking about how insecure she is.

She doesn't feel beautiful.

She doesn't feel wanted and she's.

Not worth it.

She's like a loose.

I'm ugly and my.

Body is gross and nobody likes me and I'm just so ugly.

And then she's like, they were just bidding up.

Everyone wasn't clamoring to bid for me.

I'm like, shut the fuck up and also just shut the fuck up.

She's.

So she's also.

No one that's insecure like if you are really insecure like battling with body issues, you're not getting on stage in your underwear at an auction like.

Straight up.

And so Emerson ends up getting in a bidding war with this guy and ends up paying $75,000.

But I was also thinking, I was like.

$75,000 to what?

A charity.

Well, OK, that was the other thing.

Because when that he was explaining the auction to her, she was like, what are you buying?

What are they buying?

And he was like an hour of your time.

But she's like doing what?

And all the other girls were having to have fun, like go into the room like she was the only one that was like they were buying an hour of her time to watch ATV.

I also just hate like, OK, this we talked about this a little bit when we covered the idea of you where it was like when the Harry Styles character is just like want to go upstairs and like watch a movie or whatever.

And it's like, if you want to have sex with me, you should.

And you want to ask like you need to be like, you need to ask like use your words.

And it's kind of like this too, where like it was like the guys is a lie.

Well.

Because it's illegal technically.

Like you can't pay.

Respect.

So it's like all the.

But she kept being like, well, like, I'll just like, I won't do that.

Like, we'll just be hanging out.

I'm like, I don't know.

What?

Just plan it.

This guy is going to pay $10,000 for you.

Just hang out.

You're in a sex club.

That's what I mean.

Sex auction.

And Emerson was under the delusion, too, that that was what was going to happen.

Like Murky.

Yeah, because I was like, you don't want her to spend time with another guy.

So what you think that you're putting her basically in an unsafe situation where she gets bid on, someone else, wins and then she refuses to have sex with them and then?

I I guess he didn't think anyone else was going to bid for her.

He couldn't have thought that.

But like also 75,000 when you're a buildingaire pretty.

Kind of nothing.

Kind of nothing.

Wow.

So he redeems the date with.

Her well, he gets pitched getting.

Her to a bedroom.

And that was also the other thing.

He rips her off stage and she's like, are you mad?

And he like, won't speak to her.

And they're like driving home.

He won't speak.

And she's so worried that he's mad at her.

And she's like, what did I do?

I'm so sorry.

I'm like, why are you apologizing to this man?

No, literally because I was like you were making her feel like she did something wrong.

Yeah.

And she just actually did what you asked.

And he was like not telling her any.

He was quiet about it until I think he started fucking her.

I don't remember when he came clean about being.

I forget what his excuse was.

He's like, no, I was just jealous.

No, no, he wants her to know her own life.

Oh my.

God, I think I blocked that out because it was so.

I want to.

Block because he was mad.

He's like I can't.

He's like, do you think you were worth 75,000?

She's like no, and he's like smacking her across the face and she's like why you need to know that you were worth it and bitch and she's like beating her.

Wow, that was that's all she was worth to you.

So it's like I don't get what you think your approval and like love for her that doesn't equate to self.

Worth.

Yeah, that's internal the.

Keyword there is self yeah.

So I I also just didn't get this premise at all because it's like it's not there.

That's two very.

Different things and punishing her like being mad at her because she's insecure.

Isn't going to help.

That's again, the opposite of what's going to help.

So he restrains her to the bed.

He blindfolds her and she's nervous again.

And it's like, you need to tell her what you're doing.

You can't just like let her not.

Know while you're mad at her apparently, like.

Totally.

And he like sets a safe word with her.

So it's like she's like.

Wasn't.

What's about to go down?

It wasn't the safe word.

Mercy or something.

Feels like OK.

Feels.

Crazy, yeah.

So he puts nipple clamps on her and he keeps just repeating like, are you worth $75,000?

Also someone write like please let Tori know because I have a question.

Does anyone love nipple clamps?

Like having all those, is that like?

I've only like.

I've never used them.

I know one friend that's used them and they didn't like them.

No, but like, so that's my survey, but like if I.

Pinch my nipple.

It hurts.

I'm like ow, like, you know, I'm like again.

Who is it for?

What?

What is it about it for women?

Totally doesn't do it for me.

And then he pours candle wax on her and she's entered the sub state and she starts crying.

Saying vocally it hurts and they say do you want me to stop?

She says no, really, because she just said it hurts if someone's like, it hurts.

Yeah, probably that would mean like.

You got to stop and slow down and check.

Yeah.

He finally takes the blindfold off her.

And he forces her to say that she's wrong and that she's, like, worth it.

And then they have sex.

And then they have a shower.

And he she gives him a blowjob in the shower.

Look, the pain the when she was saying it hurts and the candle wax was like burning.

Part of me was like, this is it feels like she's being beaten into submission, kind of like to please him.

She's saying keep going even though she's in pain because she wants him to be happy.

I feel like when I've read other BDSM books and like the woman is getting off on that it makes it seem better, fine or normal or whatever but like it didn't seem like that was the case.

And again, with the age gap it and the power dynamic, all of it is like the power dynamic, the age gap that piled on.

And like, OK, we're reading this fun book.

We're supposed to have fun.

And The thing is, I do, I love smut and I do find them to be like for women, we need porn and like, we need sexual stuff.

And like the smut is fun.

But like, I hate when these books that are meant to be written for women by women still seem to appeal to a male gaze in a way of like, can we not like, shift the narrative for at least women to, like, have the pleasure really be about the woman?

Because in this situation, like even trying to understand when she's saying it hurts and he keeps going.

Maybe if she could have been like, I didn't know that.

Like, I don't know why, but the pain felt so good.

It's so weird.

Like, I did like it.

Like the can I pour wax on you?

Like something like at least give us some explanation because it just felt like, OK, this is just like watching porn made for men.

The other thing is, is I don't think that it is technically like consensual or like it is again under like dubious circumstances if he is doing this to get her to change her.

Mind on something?

Yeah, To get her to admit that she's wrong about her own self esteem.

That's something where it's not to do it to get her off.

Yes, you're yeah, nailed it.

Yeah, that's you're right.

So that is also weird to me.

That's why when you were telling me that a lot of the comments said, oh, this is 50 Shades but done well.

I was like, is it done well though?

Because I feel like I've read kink books that seem way more consensual and way more respectful.

Yeah, because you are right, I didn't put that together of the he's not.

He really is doing all of this to get her to submit to admitting to feeling something she doesn't feel and not her pleasure.

Yuck.

Yeah, big yuck.

Could you ease her into feeling good about herself?

Like can she not just be have emotional issues?

She just graduated, she just graduated from college and works at a skating rink like girls not and has a beat up car girls not doing well, like chill.

So like, I'm 33, you're 39, and we've been talking a lot about how in your 30s, you're just so much more confident about your body and your sexuality.

And like, it's just so different from your 20s.

Like I could just not imagine myself at 20.

One no, and it's and at 21, you don't even know what you really like what you want.

And we are like you go through like you are really the all of society, all of culture as we're growing up enforces women to think like your purpose is to please men, like sex is for men.

Like we believe that.

Like it's, it's like so ingrained that women learn to fake orgasms or like, how do we focus on male pleasure as like we're when we're coming into our sexuality, that it takes time to break free of that, that it brings another layer onto it where it's like, OK, she's probably only ever had sex with one other person, his son, who cheated on her and treated her like shit.

That, that, that.

Yeah, that happens to be his.

Happens to be his son and then now this is her next second sexual experience with this older man who is making her feel bad about not about herself esteem issues, which is and she also has a father who abandoned her that we know of like layered on layered of just I don't know who's getting like the for people like people loved this book.

They loved it.

They got off on it and I guess I'm like, maybe I'm maybe we're reading into it too deeply.

Like maybe I'm thinking too hard about.

It you always do though.

You and I always.

Do but I feel like I have to because I'm like, this is we got to figure out why this is still like prevalent.

When people don't I get annoyed because books shape culture and stuff like that.

Like I, I don't like when when people are like, oh, books aren't political and stuff like that.

Like it is, the opposite is true.

And like she's not like don't we know if your friend to look the character should have been if she was 2526, even that like you could have aged her up a little bit like and that would still be in big age gap.

A 10 year age gap is still a big age gap.

Like she didn't have to be 21.

And maybe she just like she had like a dead end job and like her boy, like she had never had really good sex.

Or something like that, yeah.

But she was experienced or like something.

I feel like that would just take so many things away.

And he doesn't OK.

And then the blowjob happens.

Whatever.

Like she also doesn't have to be taught how to give a blowjob, which I'm like, how did she know so quickly?

Like she she's giving the best.

He's like, he's never had a better blowjob in his life is how he's describing it.

I'm like, yeah.

Right, that's always the main, like that's always the female characters like she.

Just gives the best blowjob She.

Doesn't know her.

Yeah, best blowjob.

And it's like she doesn't know her like power, like she's so beautiful that yeah, she doesn't get her allure or whatever.

OK, so they're at Emerson's one day.

It's coming of coming to a point where he's like, I shouldn't be with this girl because I'm.

Yeah, taking away her youth or whatever, and she's my son's ex and I want to have a relationship with my son and she's like, I, I what is her issue for him?

Like I guess she's just like, confused.

Well, because he is confusing like, because he's like, this is wrong.

He's like reinforcing to her that it's wrong and that he wants the relationship with his son.

You can't.

Why don't you have one?

What is like?

Yeah, but he tells her that Beau hates him so much because of the kink club and.

But does he like that?

Also feels like your son hates you because of the kink club or because you fuck your secretary.

It's like maybe you cheated on his mom.

Like there's I'm on, I'm a Bo apologist here where I was like, yeah, he probably hates you for a lot of maybe you're an absence.

Like where's the mom?

Where's his ex-wife?

Where's mom?

Do we ever hear from her?

Maybe that's why he hates you because you treated his mom like shit and then you're fucking your secretary.

I don't know.

I would think my dad was a creep too.

You want to build a relationship with your son?

Totally hang out with him.

Her problem with it is she gets like insecure about why she's being rejected.

Yes, yes, and he like gets mad at her, but then again they solve it by having sex.

She like sits on his face like that's not resolving anything.

But this is where it gets.

If you think any of the shit we talked about was crazy.

No, this is crazy.

So the next day they are at work, which they work out of his house.

They work.

Out of his house.

Of course they do, you know.

Because he needs to have.

Sex.

Yeah, I mean Secretary, he's like.

We're working, they have sex and he uses the remote vibrator.

Called back a.

Few scenes ago, all of a sudden Beau shows up and it's going really well for some reason, like something's changed within them and something has changed he's.

A new.

He's a new guy now.

He's great, actually, Yeah.

And it's going well, so she doesn't want to like, interrupt, but she does realize halfway through that the vibrator is still up her pussy.

And then Beau needs to leave, so he goes to grab his car keys.

But Emerson has put the vibrator remote next to the car keys and he picks it up because it and presses it because he thinks that it's his car keys.

It's like, also it's like, why would you be pressing it inside the house?

Like some of the logistics don't make sense.

Sarah Kate really wanted this to happen.

So she's like, how do I marry?

Like let me make this not even make sense but we just really want to see where the dad is watching his secretary having an orgasm with her ex-boyfriend who happens to be his son in the room.

OK.

And again, she's like immediately coming.

And like how did she not know the vibrator was inside of her vagina?

Like you couldn't tell.

Also go to the bathroom and take it out.

It's not like a Pampon, it's pretty thick in there.

Like what do you mean you didn't remember that you had it in there?

And also why was the remote?

You're walking around and stuff.

Didn't she get them like waters?

Yeah.

A Coke.

But again, Sarah Kate, she really needed this moment.

She really needed this moment.

She did.

So obviously they freak out and like everyone.

Everyone freaks out and they like basically break up.

They don't talk for 8 days.

Like didn't she?

She could have hit it better.

That's I would have been like, Oh my God, I go to the bathroom like, you know, like, why are you just standing there?

Orgasm in front of them like.

Or like, oh, I forgot that you had an important call.

I need to go.

We're at work.

We're at work.

I got a phone call and run like you could have left, but she didn't.

But she didn't, and they only wait eight days to talk.

No, this is this is actually what pisses me off is she tells Sophie I I always hate the like friend of scene that has to like the supporting character that just has to hear about the main character's problems, which was Garrett for Emerson and Sophie for Charlie.

But I'm like, it's fucking weird that you're telling.

16 year old sister, Yeah.

You're like, oh, let me tell you.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

He's trying to apologize over text message but she doesn't reply.

Beau ends up going back to Emerson's house and Emerson tells him everything and he's like I love this girl and which is crazy.

Imagine your dad is like I love your ex-girlfriend.

And he's like, well, I'm not going to ever get away.

I'm not going to ever get in the way of true love.

So he goes to the rink and tells Charlie that Emerson loves her.

So I'm even calling him by his name.

Yeah, it's like.

So Beau goes to the rink to tell her that my dad loves you so.

Go back to.

So go back.

To it now.

And also suddenly your dad isn't a pervert anymore, Beau.

Like you had a whole problem with your dad being a perv but now?

I know and you're just trying to.

Over it.

You know again he's and you just made peace with.

It OK.

That made no sense to me.

So Charlie's like, OK, it's time to talk to Emerson.

So she goes to the club and she talks to Eden, and she's like, I need a way to get Emerson's attention.

So Eden's like, oh, watch me.

So they go to one of the rooms, they start making out.

He sees them on the camera and goes to stop them from doing this and they're on the throne and he goes down on her while.

They're watching.

OK, here we go again.

This was again, like the weirdest.

OK, she's 21.

She doesn't want to communicate, so she can't tell him like that.

She's mad.

Suddenly this Madam, we don't know how old the Madam is.

How old is Eden?

Is she another 40 year old woman?

Then luring her into this private room where everybody's watching.

And then Emerson, who's allegedly like, like couldn't like protective of her and knows that she's like innocent or whatever, comes in angry and punishes her by eating her out.

Again, this is how they deal with their problems.

Because when the scene's done, she just, like, walks away.

Yeah, Oh yeah, they don't even and she cuz he's they don't even resolve it.

Like she's still mad at him.

Oh that was she was like eating me out isn't the only thing to earn me back.

Like I need more.

I'm like what is going on?

Because her whole speech, he was like, how do I make it up to you with the orgasm?

She's like, I need more than just an orgasm.

No fucking shit.

But what was the other thing she needed?

What?

Nothing.

The answer was.

Nothing else.

So the next day, she's at home and her dad shows up and he's like, I heard that you were at a sex club and you were a prostitute.

And so like the whole crew shows up.

Sophie, the mom, Emerson.

And her cuz her dad is pissed.

Her dad like one of my colleagues saw you having sex with a 40 year old creep at the sex club.

What the fuck are you doing?

Like you cannot be doing that.

Which, yeah.

But Jimmy is demonized.

Yeah, and they're like, Oh my God, but.

Jimmy is the bad guy.

And the mom is like.

Well, he is.

He is for the transphobia.

But but, but yeah.

Yeah.

But I'm like, we can two things can be true at once.

He is a homophobic, transphobic piece of shit, but also correct in that you, his 21 year old daughter is getting having sex in public with a creepy 40 year old man who owns a sex club.

Yeah, that's a problem.

Like he's mad and he should be mad.

Emerson they like start like physically fighting and.

Like how does Emerson just shows up?

I don't know he just also pulls up to the house like and is yelling at her dad.

Who?

How old is her dad?

Are you 2?

He.

Again, probably 40, but.

It's also like this is her father you fucking weirdo.

Like the mom is even pisses me off because the mom is like I knew about it I support it.

Like this is like he loves her.

So crazy, but they this, this seals the deal for Charlie.

She's like, OK, you like stuck up, stuck up for me.

I love you.

They make up and they have sex because that's all they have in common.

And then we get an epilogue.

This is crazy.

So she's still working for him and she gives him the blowjob during the meeting without the consent of the participants in the meeting.

And then they go out for dinner and it's just a big old happy family, Sophie, Gwen, Charlie, Emerson and Beau and.

Beau though, yeah.

And then suddenly Beau is Beau and his dad or happiest can be and he's like a great guy.

I guess at the end had to highlight this version when the dad came because this was their in their conversation.

Dad.

Charlie says, stealing his attention.

When he finally looks towards her, his eyes moist and apologetic, she continues.

I'm not ashamed of who I'm dating or what I'm doing.

And it may be hard for you to believe, but Emerson didn't do anything wrong.

I'm tired of everyone acting like they know what's best for me.

I'm 21 years old and I'm not some.

I'm not too stupid or too young to know what I want.

Yes you are.

You're 21 year.

Old.

No, literally and too.

Young.

The thing with 21 year olds, no offense if you're 21 and listening, but like the the problem is, is that 21 you do think you know everything, but that shows how much you little you actually.

How much little you know?

And then in the next page, we're hearing from Emerson, and he says he's looking at his son Bo, who's also 21.

And he's like, it strikes me for the first time that my son is a man now.

He's not a kid anymore.

Not the same gangly teenager.

I remember the little kid who looked up to me like I hung the moon in the sky.

Bo is as much of a man as I am, and it's about time I stopped treating him like a kid.

No, Bo is not a man like you.

You are 40 and your son is 21.

You're he's not a man like you.

No, that makes no sense to me.

OK any other thoughts before we get to a round table discussion?

Feel like we left it all out of the I think.

We left it all on the table.

Yeah, and like I will say the other books, the one I.

Are so much better.

Are so much better and the one in particular with Drake and forget Holden like the the two the only married guy that works in the club and his wife.

That was my favorite 1 and I usually don't like the threesome stuff.

What am I kidding who am I kidding?

I just read pucking around some book where it was like real aggressive.

I'm real aggressive.

I've I've read Pucky.

But the other books are good and like Emerson is in all the other books and he sucks in all of them.

He's an asshole in every book.

He like is always miserable and grumpy and he treats and Charlie is like a non entity but always as submissive like she's has no personality at all which just feels like no.

That's probably why I hated this book.

You're so right that there was like no substance to her at all or to him or to any of these characters.

OK, let's get to our Internet investigation.

This is our cruise reprieves of the Internet.

Things you need to know.

It's funny, I thought this book was like really popular, but there's like literally nothing.

Sarah Kate is a popular author.

Oh my God, she must be rich because she's written so many books and they're all like, kinky.

Like, I don't even look her up.

Do you know how old she is?

Sarah, Kate.

No, says I strive to be a taboo and forbidden romance.

I strive to be a taboo and hit it.

Yeah, OK.

OK, I wonder why these are unanswered questions for the listeners.

Yeah, it's problematic when the mom and the sister don't fucking bat an eye when the 40 year old man walks into the skating.

Rink Yeah, it's that 4 year old man who's her boss.

Yeah.

And I think like the the biggest wonder why that we just talked about is like, we know nothing actually about these characters.

And when they broke up it, it's like she lost her job.

Yeah.

And I feel like that was like really brushed over.

Yeah, and problematic.

Like, did she not work or Yeah.

And like was did anyone at Salacious Players Club go like, hey, this girl's not working and.

Like was the OK because it's also like why do the women have to be written to be like the first of all I don't give a shit what her 16 year old sister's opinion is on anything.

The fact that they even involved her and she was talking to her 16 year old sister about the kinky weird shit.

Get your shit together Charlie.

Like come on get find a friend of your own age.

Like do not have any girlfriends like not a not A1 not a single friend.

I think that was my biggest problem too was just like all of the women were written to be like Monica was his ex secretary who was also pushed like very pro him fucking the 21 year old secretary and then you didn't like all the women in this book were like very much.

And Garrett, well, like I know the wig.

Like no one was like this is a little bit like what you're doing is.

Garrett was like, go get her girl, like go get him girl or yeah, go get her OK, grapes and grumbles.

These are nitpicky problems we have with the book.

Yeah, he offers.

Also, this is not discussed I feel like in their fights.

But it's like he offers her the job to reconnect with Bo.

She doesn't actually ever find that out, right?

No, that's gonna be a bombshell.

And like how, why would he think that like fucking his son's ex-girlfriend is gonna be how they reconnect and then and then Beau just suddenly really does take across lovers.

Beau becomes the greatest son.

He's all on board.

He's super pro into it.

It's like.

It makes no sense.

And then Oh my God, this really annoyed me when they were working like at his house and then like they had a meeting or like a phone call or something like that.

And he's like, I'm so annoyed that like we can't be having sex right now.

I'm like you guys are at work.

Work and like how horny are you like they're horny constantly and it and it's to a point where it you're like on every conference call and then the one conference call where Garrett is like on the phone too and he's they're like muting him or they're muting so he can't hear and he's like I know you guys are fucking I'm like this is your Co worker on a zoom call Wow well, because no let's.

Talk.

That's another gripe.

And grandma I've because when she's giving him the blowjob, he mutes and then he's like he literally says to her, like he just he says she says that he mutes.

He he doesn't go off camera And then he's like take my cock like a harder or like he's like he says something to her like with the words cock.

And it's like, yeah, so everyone can read that on your everyone's lip, lip reading as you look down at your crotch and say like, take it harder or like go deeper.

He's like I muted, at least I hit the mute button.

That's fucking insane.

OK, side character spotlight.

This is our nomination for an unforgettable supporting character who deserves their due.

Because sometimes the best characters aren't the main event.

It has to be Garrett, right?

I kind of like.

Him.

No, I like.

I know you don't.

Like no, because he's too supportive of Emerson.

I like Drake and I feel that his animosity towards Emerson from the jump I liked and that he was also like trying to lead her way like.

Yeah, like I like flirting with her stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And maybe I cuz I did read ahead the other books and he does he is a great.

I I again, I have a bad feeling I have read like all of these books cuz I remember the I really remember the couple and I kind of remember Drake.

Too.

And like they all three become a they could become a throttle.

Oh no, maybe I don't.

Maybe I didn't.

But like I it's so funny.

Like when I was reading like a like a million books a year.

It's like I just don't remember.

Dude same I read so many snot books and because you can read them so quickly that a lot of the time I'm like sometimes I get through I'm like, did I have I been here before?

Like and and then but then sometimes.

They're just, I was doing that with this book 100% because I think I've read it again like I've read another sex club.

Series.

Well, they have so many of those like billionaires, like the billionaire boys club, the billionaire.

But also we gotta stop fucking.

Billionaires are not sexy.

Have we not figured that out yet?

Like billionaires are look like Mark Zuckerberg, they look like Jeff Bezos, they look like Elon Musk.

I'm sorry, is anyone trying?

To fuck.

They're never hot.

Never.

They're never hot and they're billionaires.

I think we all agree in 2025 are unethical pieces of shit.

Like I want to read a smutty book where the female character seduces A billionaire and then Luigi mangione's him covers it up.

Play with all the money.

That's the kind of sexy smut I need, you know?

And do they have like a billionaire?

It's like also, this guy's a billionaire, but he is also only giving her like 5000 dollars, 10,000 bucks.

Like he's a cheap book.

He seems like a cheap skate to me.

He's only taking her on one date and it was a punishment.

Yeah, a punishment lunch.

And and and the no no, two dates, a punishment lunch and a work.

Event Yeah, yeah, no airplanes.

They haven't gone on any trips but.

I would have liked to see them go out to dinner and talk.

Talk.

Could you imagine?

Could you imagine?

No, no, I really couldn't.

OK, finally our sequel scoop.

This is our T on any upcoming sequel seasons and the general reception.

As we said, Eyes on Me is book two of the six part series of the Salacious Players Club.

The next one follows Garrett and Mia and this was really exciting but also kind of sad because I don't think it's happening anymore.

But in 2023 the movie rights were picked up by Kiss and Tail Productions who is like, it seems like a cool production company.

They do like female gazy stuff and like thriller stuff and Sarah Kate announced it on her Instagram.

That post has now since been deleted and there is literally no updates since 2020.

Three, I wonder why and if I was owned a porn like a porn company.

You know, if I'm whatever the names of a porn company is, it would be like a book like this to adapt it into a movie.

Would be really hard for it to not be X-rated.

100% that's why I am so confused at what they're going to do for 1/4 wing and Acatar.

Not that those are Even so smutty, but they do have graphic sex scenes like this one obviously has like 100 compared to 4th wing that has like 3 a book or whatever but.

It's like, but still like because what channel?

Because 4th Wing is going to be on Amazon Prime, which does not make me feel confident that it's going to deliver what it needs to.

Because like, I feel like in order to really be the smut level you need to be at, it has to be HBO.

Totally, but that's why I think that this would end up being a 50 Shades.

And 50 Shades, yeah, I've 50 Shades sucked because they let the author be too involved in writing the script.

Because I think that script could have been really.

Really good.

Because originally, yeah, like they because she shouldn't.

She's a, she writes a book, but like, writing a book is different from writing a script.

And she like, made all these stipulations where she had to be in control of the script.

So then she would change things that work in a book but don't work on screen.

And I think that's why the movie ended up like not delivering.

And like this case, if, if you own a porn, if you're a female, like porn studio owner, this would be the greatest book to adapt to like find good porn actors.

I don't know, like female friendly porn.

Is that even a, is that a thing that could happen?

I I just don't know how it could possibly be.

And you're putting these actors in precarious situations at a sex club.

They're all gonna have to be naked.

They're working at a sex club where there's sex happening all of the time.

It's gonna have to be HBO or.

Oh yeah, Netflix too.

Yeah.

Sex life.

Yeah, like 365 was a perfect example.

I think you're that is they did it, they got away with it.

And that movie felt like I was watching porn, but it was great.

What was a plot?

I don't remember, but I was like, oh, this was made for women.

Don't know.

Who would be actors Like who's a 40 year old actor like that could play that guy?

Co.

James Co James.

Yes, Yes, yes, yes.

He's so fine.

But then who's the 21 year old actress Jenna Ortega?

Like, I kind of pictured, like, just cuz Nora has been in such a moment.

I don't think she's 21, but I've been.

I kind of was picturing Mikey Madison, to be honest.

Yeah.

She would she would work.

How old is she?

She's young, she's 25, and Theo James is.

40 I think.

40 Yeah, OK, I kind of slayed with.

That and Theo James is like a hot.

He's so.

He's like, so.

Funny, he is who I picture and every time I like even when I'm reading 4th wing and I know it doesn't work that in the age but like Theo James is just that guy who I always picture mostly male characters.

Because of divergent.

Divergent and like it used to be Henry Cavill until he became a weirdo.

He used to be like my go to but if like after Superman he fell off.

I always forget about Theo James.

And then I see a picture of him and I'm like, no, that's my man.

I always, yeah, I always forget.

And then cuz yeah, when I think of Hollywood actors, I think of Jeremy Allen White or like Jacob Allordy.

I know.

Or like Jacob Allordy.

I can't judge.

I can't judge because I mean, I, I have, I love Austin Butler and nobody else.

Like I do feel embarrassed by that.

But like Charlie Hunnam, also hot, I think he's a little bit too.

I think he's over well over 40.

And he's like, he seems too like rugged, like I see like a clean cut guy for Yeah, your dreams would be for Emerson, but.

He's, well, Charlie Hunnam was supposed to be the guy in 50 Shades of Grey.

He was supposed.

I was just, I was just going to say or like someone like Jamie Dorman or something.

If 50 Shades was Charlie Hunnam instead, I think I would have enjoyed that movie a lot more.

Absolutely.

But as we're deprived, there's not that many when you when I like try to rack my brain of like when I'm reading a book and I try to insert a different hot male actor, they don't make there's just.

I I know I kind of also just resend from Akatar.

I also just kind of sometimes plug his fan art almost.

Into the AI images of what I know it's so sad because I'm like these look better than anyone that exists like so who would be and but the AI women too.

I'm like, well, how can we compete with these perfect AI women?

We can't literally, but OK.

I want people to tell us who they're fan casting for praise, but then also who they picture when they're reading and also.

What they think about fisting, if they're into it, and anyone who's ever used nipple clamps, listen if.

Weigh in on the nipple clamps.

Weigh in on the nipple clamps, please.

OK, Denise, can you tell us, tell the listeners where they can find you and anything else you want to applaud because I, we didn't even talk about your Instagram.

My Instagram is not worth talking about whatsoever.

Smutty.

Covers, that one, yeah.

Smutty covers, yes.

Please follow me on smutty covers where I post some real covers of books and then some AI generated smutty covers of books and you have to guess which ones real and which ones fake.

And let me tell you, you'd be shocked at the ones that are real.

It's so fun.

Did you read the book about or did you see the book about the three Christmas trees that are like three men that were cursed by a witch to be Christmas trees?

And this woman goes to the Christmas tree lot and like, they see her and they turn into men and they all fuck.

And then she falls in love with them and then she takes the Christmas trees home.

Yeah, that's a real book.

So if you want to learn more fun things like that, yes.

Please follow at Smuddycovers on Instagram.

I'm obsessed with it.

One book like sub genre that we haven't covered on RTBR is like Sentient, like the S'more, the S'more book or.

Like the corn, there's a corn on the cob.

In the.

Fucking corn.

A piece of corn.

His Dick is corn.

Totally, totally.

So we haven't got there yet, but I feel like I got to throw in one just for got it for the lols, yeah.

Well, you did read The Blue Ice Planet Barbarians.

Yeah, yeah.

But like, they have human faces and like.

But tentacles?

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

I know, I know.

I also.

Just want to tell everyone who's listening to not that they care, but my day job is I'm a sports journalist.

What business do I really have?

But and I have to work around men all day.

So I think maybe part of that is why, because real men are the worst, but fictional men.

God, it's nice to come home after a long day of working with men in sports and then getting to read about.

Yeah.

Like men in sports who are actually great.

I will say though, like I basically don't talk to any straight men like at work in my life, anything.

And so then the only interactions I've had with straight men have been books until.

Recently that way.

When I tell you the absolute let down woo man.

And it's like, yeah, the yeah, the bleakness.

We are in the trenches.

Trenches and honestly, because I I have a book club with my friends here and like a lot of my guy friends, when they found out about the books we were reading, like their reactions are like, oh God, so you're just reading porn.

Oh my God, you guys are just.

And I'm like, you motherfuckers, all you want to see on TV are boobs.

Yeah, maybe if men read books about like, romance, we wouldn't live in such a hellscape of sadness where women have to fake orgasms all the time.

100% it's so sad.

It is so sad.

But anyway, Sarah, Kate, no Hey, read all your books.

I enjoyed every minute of it.

Yeah, I enjoyed every minute of the book, even though I had a lot to complain about.

I read it all and I would suggest people to read it actually.

I'm like it's fun and it's.

Easy I read the book in like in like 3 nights like over like 2 sittings.

It's also I will say it's so nice after my last read was Onyx Storm which is so long and so detailed that it was so nice like in this book, truly nothing.

Happens, yeah.

Like there's no like events or like big, big things really.

So it's like, it was so nice to read like a 300 page book that nothing happens, like truly.

Nothing, but there's so much to discuss but nothing happens.

Which is.

I don't know how that worked out, but it did.

OK.

Thank you so much for coming on.

Everyone go follow Denise at at Smuddycovers.

Yes.

Please do and thank you so much for having me.

I love talking about smut and shaming shaming people's games.

Me too, me too, me too.

Let's leave it at that.

That's so perfect.

And that's the story of praise.

Thank you so much for listening and thank you to Denise for joining me on today's show.

I wanted to say so sorry for being Mia over the last two months.

So it's been really hectic over here and I'm happy to share more about that, you know, as episodes come out, but spoiler alert from blood and Ash will be out next week because it's already recorded.

And then I've got the deal deep end and skin of the night coming your way.

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Until then, happy reading.

For Ready to be Romanced, I'm Tori.

Goodbye.