Kerry and K Clasby, welcome to the Regenerative journey and ignore any beeps that come outta my computer.

And welcome to your wonderful farm here at Malibu, which when we were here six and a half years ago, right before the Woolsey fires, this shit went down.

Actually, we were here when there were fires were on, but you didn't get hammered.

I wanna get to that bit.

It was also called, what did you, the Thomas fires.

You were here for the Thomas Fire.

The, all these fires were all, uh, radioactive fires that are really from the 5G from these cables that they're putting down.

And they're not saying it.

And, um, they can't handle the electrical, the amount of electrical power.

These are spectrums that we're not supposed to be, um, utilizing because it's not.

We need full spectrum light.

Yeah.

When you isolate a spectrum, it creates an inflammatory product that we're subject to a toxin.

And so this 5G, 3G, two G, 4G, they have not been diligent about the studies on it.

They've hidden studies.

It's, uh, it's another, um, poison that we need to hack in order to flourish.

I mean, the amount of sickness and, um, chronic diseases, we have an epidemic and this has begun, um, especially in the last 50 years.

And, um, there's a whole list of reasons of poisons that we're subject to.

Now, evolutionary wise, we've been here for.

Millions of years.

So we can hack it, but we need to be transparent about the, uh, exactly what we're dealing with in technology.

'cause the technology's very powerful for the first time we're gonna be able to, um, we're Rudolph Steiner and Gerta in this small group of men and women who were spiritual and, you know, interested in the natural law.

They codified so many things.

Well, now, like this, this is going, this podcast can go worldwide.

And that's an amazing thing because we are in the age of Aquarius.

And Aquarius is all about transparency.

It's all about, uh, breaking out of the old dysfunctional paradigms.

So it's the, the future is bright, but the moment is all that matters that you keep reminding me of.

Which is good because I often go forward and back many times.

You know, second.

Well, when you are.

Going against the intuitive timing of life by tapping into your little P brain, you actually are putting things that don't belong in the moment.

That there is a plan, that there is a healing process that can happen to us and to the world.

That we can be help to be a facilitator as by us doing the work.

People don't wanna do the work because when you do the work, a lot of discomfort feelings may come up.

The fight or flight brain, um, you know, is struggling to keep its hold on us.

And this fight or flight brain is not your friend, it's actually your frenemy.

It appears as your friend comes in with solutions and see that hawk going down to get these little rabbits where you just flew down.

Yeah.

The rabbits down, the scrub down here.

You can hear it now.

You'll hear the ground squirrels chirping.

Mm-hmm.

Because they know the raptors are above.

Oh, that's a warning.

That's the warning.

Those aren't birds.

Those are raptors, uh, that are flying in.

And the, the ground squirrels are now, that's an amazing thing right there.

Evolutionary wise.

They chirp to each other and it signals danger.

And, and the raptors come in anyway and try to pluck whatever they can.

Well, I guess that's all about the survival of the physicians.

The ones that are a bit slow, they get the genetics are Yeah, but I'm saying the communication, just like us, there's quantum entanglement now.

You came here six and a half years ago before the devastation of the fires, before the, um, all of a man's well laid plans became decimated by the na na nature's, um, aberration.

And I say it's an aberration because number one, we should be planting, um.

Way more.

The hydrology has been affected because we aren't replanting, we aren't, um, practicing the, uh, principles of regeneration all over.

Then we've got, you know, radioactive, um, electrical lines and 5G lines that are also happening.

So these fires are, um, self-evident why they are beginning.

So you came here and you and I have been quantumly entangled, right?

'cause quantum medicine is the future.

We're going beyond the chemical medicine, biological medicine into quantum medicine, the physics, like, um, so we are connected.

I don't know if you've ever seen that, um, amazing study that they did with the, um, onion where they cut the onion in half and they stimulate the growth one side of the onion.

Uh, with the electrical probes and the other side of the onion starts to grow in the exact same spot.

When they put a glass between it, it, uh, stops it.

When they put a crystal between it, it accelerates it.

Wow.

So we as humans, you know, we are quantumly entangled your forefathers, your ancestors, the, the body of, uh, what, what the, the anthropos would call the body of Christ is that connection between the all of us.

And so you are coming back now and Jack has passed, but he's still with us.

And, um, because we know that, uh, there's a eternal nature to us, that energy just doesn't get obliterated.

It, it lives on forever.

And so this quantum entanglement is what the Anthropo knew about.

That as we do what's right, it is felt, and it is makes a difference in just like that pebble into the, the ocean, into the water.

It spreads out and goes on.

So when you are listening to the mental mind, Mr.

Mental, he's not your friend, um, he'll be with you till the end.

I won't listen to him today.

Mr.

Intuition guides my way.

So, uh, we'll sit for a few minutes and, uh, we'll practice a little exercise that helps us to get out of the mental mind and to be drop in to our, um, spiritual intuitive mind.

Yeah.

Cool.

So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, everyone listening and watching.

Yeah.

We're gonna do this.

This is great.

Okay.

So just put your fingertips together and gently without trying bring your awareness to the magnets in your fingertip.

Oops.

Your, uh, your hands are relaxed and you, you are too.

You're present and you're here, but relaxed and you can hear the birds and the sounds of the day, and you feel the breeze going through.

And just like by becoming aware, you hear the dog barking.

By becoming present and aware, we feel our fingertips and we feel the warmth in them.

And then you notice that the mind is a bag of tricks, right?

So it's gonna try to hijack us away from just being present.

Just feel your feet in the ground and your sitting bones on the chair and stay with the birds.

If you can't hear the birds, you're in your head and there's nothing in your head except the past and the future.

The past with your regrets and your um, uh, mistakes and the future with its worries.

So we stay present because we know that the answers, the realizations come by being out of the monkey mind, by being out of the reactive mind.

And your hands will be warm if you try too hard.

They'll get tingly if you start thinking they get cold.

So it's like yoga, you know, if you're not present, you fall over doing the poses.

So we just sit here quietly and we'll do our three breaths and we'll breathe in deeply and hold it for nine seconds and then release.

And we'll do that three times together.

And being aware of our fingertips at the same time, watching the mind, any thoughts that come.

We let it go down the thought stream and out to the Pacific Ocean to get pulverized by a big wave.

And then we stay here shifting out of the mind into the now.

And when we finish with our third breath, we'll just take a big stretch.

So we'll go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

Don't forget your fingertips.

Two and three, breathe out and then take a little stretch, say a little prayer.

And let it all go.

Awesome.

Now you can come back to this awareness all day, right?

Mm-hmm.

You're in your car, you're getting lost caught up in your head, in the mental mind to come back to the present.

And the breathing and the hands are just a technique to keep us present.

So it's a commitment of your soul to, I mean, why would you tap into your little P brain when you can tap, when you can bring down the forces of the, uh, intelligence of the universe?

Well, as you said before, you know, off, off camera, um, you know, that's the, that's the reptilian mind.

The people that's its purpose was fight or flight, which is, which is one would argue in the now, but it's about survival.

Not, not about creativity, not about, you know, the expansion of one's consciousness.

It's, it's just a.

You are gonna live or die right now.

Mm-hmm.

Here's a burst of adrenaline or cortisol or something and get the fuck outta here.

Mm-hmm.

Or, and it's usually perceived threats.

Yeah.

Oh, totally.

Because if you're in a perceived threat, you can't find the intuitive solutions, the mental mind scripts things.

That's why I was saying in the beginning, you have a, um, an, you know, a tenant in your head that doesn't pay any rent and is looking to take over the house.

Some people call it a rodent that you've allowed and now it's running around your head.

I did some great, a great thing last year and I'm, I have been a midst kept on doing it in, its, um, I forget the name of it now.

It was, um, uh, oh shit.

Something Intelligence.

It's terrible.

And it's, it was, it was a little program I followed.

It was about saboteur and we had nine.

And the one that runs the show is the judge.

Oh yeah.

And these eight little followers.

Yeah.

Min Minions, minions who collaborate with Right.

With the judge.

Right.

And basically direct traffic, which is all right.

Yeah.

So it's, it's your, and the, the biggest lie of the whole world is that those thoughts are you Yeah, that's right.

That you are creating these destructive thoughts that you have these crazy sexual thoughts that No, no, no, no, no.

Those are, are coming through you and using the I word I want, I need, I couldn't, I'm hurt.

Yep.

And then in that position of defensiveness, in that position of perceived threats, you make decisions in your life and you waste the amazing opportunity that we have to be, um, out of that, um, emotional maelstrom, which never helped us.

And so if people can see that this is the lie, that this idea like it's no big deal to be spreading chemicals on your food or that it's, um, no, no problem to, um, be, I mean when you're serving food that's, that's not organic and that, and beyond organic, because even now the organic standards have been dropped so low, um, you're just introducing invisible poisons that, uh, are not being spoken about.

So now we've got that to deal with.

So the the point is that it's the biggest trick in the universe and we have the ability to defeat that and we defeat it when we've suffered enough.

And that's the, I mean, that's what it is, isn't it?

No.

And there's been a theme, and I've kind of gone there because I wanted to explore that with my guests in the last month is exactly that.

The challenges, other things that are the deflection points that.

Essentially make us, we, well, we have a choice.

We either choose to use them as a, as a lesson, uh, or not.

Right.

And if we choose not to use them as a lesson, it can be very defeating and be very detrimental to, um, us.

And then the next challenge we come along, it may just be a little more challenging 'cause we, we are not building on the experiences.

So, and I wanna, yeah, the universe has a way of dragging you, uh, into your lessons.

Whether you, I mean, we see that too with politicians or movie stars where, you know, okay, you don't wanna, um, change then, um, we'll bring it so that the sins will be, uh, uncovered from Donald Trump to Kamala to Biden, to, it's, there's no secrets, especially now, which is great.

Yeah.

So we're meant to be above, we're meant to be human beings.

We're, we're not meant to be mammalian mammals.

We're, we're meant to overcome our, the destructive nature, a primitive kind of minor.

It is interesting that you even demarcate and it's, it makes a lot of sense.

'cause as you know, Steiner and others talk about the mineral kingdom and then Yeah, the etheric, which is kind of the plants and then the astral, which is the animals, which is, you know, what someone argue is that is a hierarchy up from the etheric.

And then we, yeah, we being the, I am, we're kind of, I don't like saying it above it, but we are kind of separate from that and that's what make, that gives us individuality.

Yeah.

Um, but you put that in your mammalian that gives us a consciousness.

Yes.

And Steiner called it the Christ consciousness.

Yeah.

But it could be the Buddha consciousness.

It could be, yeah.

But that consciousness, we have the capability.

Our mitochondria are set up to be able to have receptor sites for spirit, for the ether, as they said.

And, uh, and for the intuitive understandings that sur surpass these intuitive understandings, surpass the intellectual knowledge.

I mean, it's amazing when you just, um, have a problem.

You don't know what you're gonna do, and then you go into the shower, you do go into the garden, and all of a sudden you're like, I know exactly what to do.

And it's the, the solution is so amazingly complete that it's like, why do we rely on anything except for that inner teacher, that inner guide?

Our default is that primitive mind.

Isn't it?

Is that because we've, you know, we day one and as we grow.

Yes.

It's, we needed a protective source.

Yeah.

That, that keeps us alive.

Mm-hmm.

Which is kind, kind of handy.

Correct.

Um, but we don't have dinosaurs chasing us anymore.

No, no.

Nor lions, most of us, uh, they say came from East Africa.

Yeah.

And then we expanded outward.

So we don't, especially as the Northern Europeans, um, they didn't have that, uh, daily threat of the lion or the of the predator coming in.

But we lived it.

We live it.

If you, you know, talk to people, their fears are visceral.

And that's the mental mind.

It's all perspective, isn't it?

It is.

And it's what Steiner talked about.

He said, intuition as the spiritual path, don't, you know, follow what I did.

And so that's the problem with religions.

Instead of relying on your own intuitive knowing, which we all have the capability, we all have the receptor sites for.

Holy Spirit or Christ consciousness, or consciousness, we rely on something other than that.

So trauma in our lives kind of reinforces does it reinforce the value, if I can use that word, of the primitive mind, because like, yes.

Over and over again we go, yeah, it's as if it's still happening.

Resentment trauma is because that is, um, mental mind is bringing it up for lookalike situations, which like a dog or like anything, it's, it's a technique that the universe put in us so that we would be protected.

But it certainly, um, loses its efficacy because we don't have those threats.

So, what's the word?

What do the cows do when they're chewing their cut over and over and again?

They rum.

Oh, well they, no, they ruminate.

Rumination.

Yeah.

Well, they, they chew their card.

It's a rumination of the rumination.

Yeah.

Right.

So it's a rumination thing.

And the key is to sit still and to do the meditation.

And what will happen is whatever's lodged in there will start to come bubble to the surface and be freed.

So, you know, you, if you're doing therapy, the therapy becomes even more effective because the, the angels in saints and the, whatever the healing spirit of the universe is, it knows where it needs to go.

The light knows where to, to cast out the darkness.

You don't have to do anything.

And Jesus spoke about this.

He said, um, you can't change one meter of your stature.

You can't change one.

Uh, gray hair on your head.

He said The father within you will do with the work.

And I think in Aramaic it really means the spirit within you will do the work.

And so, you know, the, um, hard line, um, fundamentalist converted that into something else, but there is a healing spirit that we have access to.

And the mental mind's always trying to block it because, you know, once the light comes in, those guys are gone.

Their power is their attachment to us.

They're like parasites.

It's gone.

Shine the line.

I heard a th shine a light.

It's true.

No, I We're light beings.

Yeah.

We actually give off light.

Yeah.

We give off ultraviolet, we give off the full spectrum sunlight within us.

Yeah.

That's why we were able to, um, hibernate.

Because in the hibernation, we're giving off our own energy.

That's why cold therapy is so effective.

Yeah.

Because we, it forces us to give off our own light and we also could store the light by lying.

Be early morning sunlight, getting your eyeballs and full skin in the game, and, um, having all of those, uh, cholesterol being transformed into amazing hormones that, that regulate all the chemical processes and do the work.

Cholesterol, that's, no, that's evil.

The circadian rhythm that we are always interfering with.

So this is an extension of that where we are encouraging the proliferation of the beneficials and we practice the principles that bring us the, the greatest, I mean, these animals, they're their manufacturing site.

They take the grasses.

We can't eat the grasses and get the DHA out of it.

These animals can take the grasses and they go through the whole rumination process and they extract everything out of it, and they push it off into their milk, and it's in the milk and it's, and the, the, uh, beneficials, their stomachs are lined with so much magical, uh, probiotics, and it goes into the poop.

And then we put the poop onto the ground.

You see, you know, our biodynamic, uh, compost program, the poop goes into the ground.

This farm has been, um, organic since 1954.

And, um, it has not been contaminated by glyphosate and all of those, uh, chemicals that, so we just keep on bloating more and more amazing bugs into the soil.

People don't realize, I know you do.

We don't feed the.

The bugs in the soil feed the plants, just like we are.

When you're eating the food, you're eating, you're not feeding yourself, you're feeding the bugs In our tummy, our tummy is basically a tube that goes from your, um, mouth to your butt.

And in that tube live all of these magical colonies that when you, you know, have your yogurt or whatever, it proliferates more magical probiotics and those break down the food and then they go into our bloodstream and into the body as needed.

So, um, we.

I have to understand that if, unless you've got these soil practices down, you are just eating, uh, nutrient deficient foods and it's really photosynthesis.

Right?

The plant is, has the magic of being able to reach into the heavens, convert that into carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates so that the bugs underneath go yummy.

And they all eat them and then they poop out the magical chemicals and then the plant sucks them up.

So it's a poop game.

No, it's a cycle of life.

I'm sure you get plenty of poop there.

And how many acres you have there in Australia?

Uh, we've got 5,000 there.

5,000 only?

Yeah.

We're not as intensive as you are here.

Yeah.

54.

Was it 1954 or organic?

Was there, was there a 1954?

54?

Was there a I know it's different.

Alice Cunningham and George Cunningham.

Yeah.

He was a music teacher and had a music store in Santa Monica.

She was a Minnesota Farm girl.

They had three sons and they moved out here.

To be able to, for her to be able to have orchards and plantings.

And she was committed to doing it the right way.

And thank God this is an incredible jewel.

And my landlords of sterlings have allowed me to have a sweetheart tenant deal where this farm is.

I can develop this farm and, and turn it into, um, the magic that it deserves, which is, um, sort of a, uh, protected emerald jewel in amongst a whole bunch of rocks because, uh, these farms are being lost and we need to bring back the proliferation of our small family organic farms, regenerative bring, bring it back so that we can thrive.

Because for those who haven't been here, which is probably most people, um, what we're looking at is how many acres have you got here on the, are you looking after about 16?

16?

And you've got some fruit?

Mar veggies.

Oh, what are those trees over there?

Those long tall ones.

Are they uh, they hedge cus ah, we have figs.

We have, um, orange oranges buts.

They're not the, not they're not the edible ones over there.

No, no.

Um, we have figs, oranges, uh, um, olives, avocados, olives, guava, um, Cher Moya.

But we lost a lot in the fires.

We lost mulberries.

We've a hundred old year old trees.

No, 1954.

So 75-year-old trees.

And, um, now we're, we're bringing it back.

We lost all our irrigation.

We're, we're now burying the irrigation and baking it so that it's, uh, the whole, we do a lot of cover crop.

Cover crop is key because when you have cover crop, you have a, um, a whole group of friends that are bringing carbohydrates into the bugs in the soil without you even, you know, doing anything.

So we're, you could see how we're doing the sprinkles up on, on posts so that all of the cover crop will be, so we're planting our tomatoes amongst the cover crop so that that creates the proliferation of the bugs, which equals more nutrient density and, and, um, that's the way to go.

You're using biodynamics still?

'cause when I, yeah, I'll biodynamic a bit of a bit of backstory.

So for those who dunno.

And, um, which again is probably most people we met because we, Angelica and I were in the States for two months because la our son was born over here.

And, um, we, we did a lot of trek up and down the, the Pacific Highway here, is that what it's called?

Pacific Highway?

Yep.

PCH, Pacific Coast Highway between Ventura and Santa Monica and so on.

Um, we came across your farm 'cause you had the, the, the, the sign out the front, it's opposite of the place we used to go on organic.

That organic grocery store over the road there, and which we were always on the hunt for any decent food anywhere.

And we came in here, we met you, we met Jack.

And because we were here for two months and we drove past nearly, nearly every other day, we would drop in often one day, little And I turned up and Jack was doing a little composting Yeah.

DeMar up there, which is awesome.

Right?

Every Tuesday we do the compost.

Yeah.

Well, it must have been a, must have been a Tuesday.

And then I interviewed you and Jack hid just over there.

Yeah.

On a, on a chair on a couple of chairs you had, which was awesome.

Which I think is, we were on YouTube somewhere.

Um, and Jack had a lot to do with One Gun Ranch, didn't he?

Yep.

He was the biodynamic man there.

Yep.

Um, which I went to see a few times and did a, it was an informal consult really.

Um, however, what struck me back then was how much love was being put in here, the wonderful people you have and.

Then when we turned up literally three weeks ago and drove in, I could see the change.

You had the fire since the house is gone?

Yeah, the house went in the fire.

Yeah.

House offices, trucks, um, you know, family memorabilia, everything.

Mm-hmm.

Then you, I stayed and I was on the roof, wetting it down.

And you did, you leave at, you must have left at one point, otherwise you'd have gone No, I was here the whole time.

So you saw that you were here when the house went up?

Yeah.

Oh no.

And it, it was amazing because, um, just the way life is, you know, let it go.

Gotta let it go.

Yeah.

So I had gone to Waldorf teacher training and when I was there, I, uh, was running a, a homeschooling Waldorf school and we did the, our farming.

Um, and Jack pulled up.

You know, 25, 30 years ago with a dump truck full of, uh, biodynamic composts.

And so we did our farm program at the other farm that I was working at, that I was running the farm program.

At and out of that amazing compost, I began an organic distribution business to chefs where they were buying my produce, um, and um, where they were.

I was also had a co-op with other farmers that I knew had the right growing practices.

So that's how it began.

25 or 30 years ago.

I want to go probably back a little bit further than that.

Um, we will get back to the farm and anywhere this goes is awesome.

Just FYI, anyone who's doing that meditation, just try not to do it when you're driving.

Okay.

A lot of people listen to podcasts.

Maybe just.

Yeah, just keep your eyes open.

Hey, you could do that meditation for 20 to 25 minutes.

Yeah.

Morning.

We had a lovely, we had a lovely one.

Uh, when we got here, it sat me down.

We had a little chat and then a little sit down, which was really good prep for that.

Well, the thing is, it's um, I try to do it before anything so that I am being my best self, my best self, not my lower self.

Your best version of yourself, version of myself comes through.

Um, let's go back to, uh, so many threads we could take there, but let's go back to day one when Kerry, not, not, yeah.

I knew you as Kerry when I was here those years ago.

My nickname.

Nickname.

And you are taking it back.

You're taking a proper name back, which I think is awesome.

Um, where did you appear on the world?

In the world?

Where, where did you I was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts to, uh.

A mother who was from, uh, Nova Scotia, Canada Farm girl who had come here to come to the States when she was 12.

And a son of Irish immigrants, my father.

Um, so she was, uh, half Irish and half Scottish Catholic.

And he was all Irish Catholic from the west coast of Ireland.

And she was from originally there.

My ancestors were the Hebrides, the island of T in, um, off the coast of Scotland.

And my, um, maternal, my paternal grandparents were from Kamara from the west of Ireland and they had immigrated to Boston.

And then I grew up in a suburban Boston.

I went to college in Boston and I married, um, a man from Boston and I had two sons.

And I, um.

Uh, eventually had a spiritual awakening where I realized that I was, uh, not following my, what I knew was right, I was following the mental mind and that it was time to tap into the intuitive.

And so I was attracted to Steiner who said, you know, intuition as the spiritual path.

And I began, um, studying Steiner and, um, following the principles.

And I, um, was homeschooling my children and I was also growing my own food.

And, um, I used biodynamic compost and I used those principles for growing and to understand a magical, um, ancient, I mean, how they knew.

It was just amazing.

It's amazing.

And so I've been practicing, uh, that type of growing and, um.

My own growing my own food and, and being in that community ever since.

I would not say, um, you know, the Anthropo community per se, although I do appreciate it, but more the, uh, biodynamic, um, especially the gardening and the farming.

Let's go back to, I'm interested in your childhood.

So you were in Boston, so you weren't on a farm, is that right?

Fair to say?

No, but my grandfather and grandmother had moved to Cambridge Mass from, they had a fire.

Um, when my, when my mother was 12, my grandfather had grown up in Cambridge and my grandmother came down to go to nursing school at Harvard and uh, they met at the Boston Marathon around 1920.

And, um, my.

My great-grandmother, Catherine Parks MCIs, said, if you move up to Nova Scotia, you and your new husband, um, you'll inherit the farm.

So they went up, it was about, uh, 1200 acres at the time.

And my grandfather, who was a builder, built a farmhouse and a farm stand and a gas station up on the Cabot Trail.

They spoke my grandmother, great-grandmother and grandmother spoke Gaelic Scottish Gaelic.

And my grandfather was, um, probably since the Civil War, they were in Cambridge, mass.

So when my grand, when my mother was 12 years old, they were ice skating out of the pond in front of the farmhouse and they heard an explosion and they looked up and they, um, had gotten dynamite caps in the coal that they had got from the Sydney mines.

So the farmhouse burned to the ground Christmas time.

Around the same time, 75 years later, I watched my farmhouse burn to the ground here.

How did those, in Mali, how did those caps go off?

Like what was the, what was the what?

How did they go off the, the, the, the, the, well they had a fireplace in the fire while they were ice skating.

Oh.

And the coal had a couple of dynamite caps in it.

Oh.

We did the coal.

So they heard an explosion and they watched the house burned to the ground.

Oh my God.

12 years old, 19 40, 19 45.

And that was your grandparents' house?

No, that was, yeah, that was my grandparents' house.

And my mother was 12 and they moved to Boston.

And then, um, on the other side, my father was born in Boston.

My grandmother was a.

A 16-year-old immigrant came over from Ireland and met my grandfather in Boston, who was about two mile, lived two miles or three miles away from her home in Ireland.

Coincident, not coincidentally, but that was the, you know, post potato famine.

There were no jobs in Ireland.

So, and then she had six children and the oldest was my dad and my mom and dad met, um, down in Hyannis Port on Cape Cod, which I ended up living in years later.

So I, um, grew up in suburban Boston.

My father went to be and studied English and poetry, and then he went and became a CPA and ran companies and, um, in the 1 28 technology place.

And my mother got a master's in teaching.

She went to teacher's college, she was a music teacher, and then she became a, a special needs teacher.

And then.

Um, they had six children and, um, I have five brothers and sisters.

I'm the oldest and I went to Boston College and then I worked at IBM and Xerox and Wang Labs.

And doing what?

Um, selling, doing marketing and sales.

And then I met, I had met my husband in college down in Hyannis Port.

And, um, we got married around when I was about 25 or 26.

And then I had two sons and, um, sort of woke up around that time and realized that I wanted more out of my life.

So I began meditating.

And so just on that, what was the, what was the catalyst for the, the wake up?

Well, they call it postpartum depression.

Okay.

But it was really just, um, I think the spiritual awakening is that you have a mental construct.

Of your life and of how things are gonna go and what you want.

And when you start achieving these goals, it's not giving you the fulfillment that you believed, that the mental mind told you.

Those thoughts, like getting married and having children and a family and the jobs you were in, that that was gonna make you happy.

And then there's a, um, a realization that there's a another way and that the mental mind is lying to you.

And what was there, was there an event?

Was there a birth of my first son?

Okay.

That was the, that was the wake up.

It was like, I didn't wanna go back to work.

I didn't, you know, I had a job where I was making six figures, you know, 38 years ago, 40 years ago.

And I, I didn't want to go back into the.

That, uh, paradigm, it was, it suddenly became meaningless to me.

And so is that because you had a child, as in, you know, the, you're a mother, a different purpose in life, were you attracted to being a mother and that, and that and that nurturing, or were you pushing back on the other?

I was attracted to doing, I realized that I had come into this depression, and I came into this crisis because I had been ignoring my intuition.

And when I began to follow the intuition, not the compromising or the mental mind or the ideas in my head, but just what is right to do in the now, and we always know it.

And then we believe the mental mind that tells us, oh, you know, don't do that because of this, or the fear or anxiety or the compromises.

People won't like it.

You've made these agree.

And I woke up and realized that, um, I needed to find that truth.

So I began to reach out into therapy, into, you know, Quakerism and, um, Judaism, Catholicism, Buddhism, to find the answers and over and over again.

What resoundingly was clear was that being still and meditating, which was against my nature, my nature was to get the job done and keep on going, be very busy.

And so I started to cultivate the practice of meditation and I began to bring a lot of the trauma started to come up.

And I realized the trauma had occurred because I had resented whatever the situation was, that no one had ever hurt me, that I had hurt myself by my reacting to whatever situation.

And that's how it became a trauma.

And that's the good news, because then you don't have to.

Um, blame anybody or have them to, to make amends or, although I did, you know, I apologized for resenting my mother and hating my father.

And, um, they were kind of befuddled, like, what?

But of course we all know as parents that you're dealing with a, a reactive, a reptilian brain when it starts around 12 or 13 years old.

And so I had, that had been my downfall.

And so then I began the reclamation and became like the Phoenix coming out of the ashes.

And then my husband and I got, had developed a hotel development company, a franchise development company.

Um, mostly I was taking care of the children and I would be helping in that, uh, part-time.

And the, we had an opportunity to move to California and so we did.

And so we developed.

Hotel franchises and we made a lot of money, and then we developed our own hotel, and then the marriage, um, basically fell apart because I had changed the nature of the agreement and I had become a different person.

So he didn't want that model, so he moved along.

When you say agreement, the sort of the, the spoken or unspoken Yeah.

Arrange not arrangement.

Yeah.

But the, the mental support.

Yeah.

Support of each other's mental relationship.

Yeah.

How did that, what, what did that look like?

What were the changes that you made that were not in line with the original contract?

Um, day to day, I stopped fighting.

I started to be, um, calm and I started to speak up to truth, you know, spoke, speak my truth, whether that was the dysfunction in his family or the dysfunction in my family, the dysfunction in parenting.

Or disagreements that I would have and I didn't fight.

I would just establish that as the truth.

And I think it felt, um, that he didn't, he felt like he wasn't getting the support that he wanted, so he opted for different models, which is interesting and not, not being critical.

It is interesting that one might from the outside look at that and go, well, actually that's a positive, not fighting or wanting to resolve things or talk things through.

But I can understand how that's kind of beside the point.

If it's different to the original understanding and the original environment in which a relationship is created, it doesn't, you know, a change.

It's more about the change than what, what it, what it turned into.

Well, I think that for, um, many people, they want their relationship, the other person to be emotional supportive of their emotional nature and their decision making, their reactive decision making.

And when you.

Say like, I, I don't agree with that.

They, it feels very cold.

And, um, I understand.

Is that about, is that all about delivery?

No, no, no.

I think it's just about, um, the reality.

I think that some people, you know, love to live by truth and other people love to live by emotions.

Mm-hmm.

And that's a good choice.

They co co Can they coexist?

Can someone be truthful about the emo emotion?

Emo emotive, I think they're opposites.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, it's, I'm not talking about not having feelings.

Yeah.

I'm just talking about emotional reacting.

And I mean, really the, the spiritual awakening is all about understanding your motivations.

What are you listening to?

What are you following?

That's where your values begin.

Are you doing what's right or are you choosing the reactive way?

And you're a very different person now then.

Yeah.

What if you'd kept on, on that, down that path?

I know that's a hypothetical, but like, I don't know.

Where do you think you would've ended up?

Would you have ended up, you wouldn't be here?

I wouldn't think.

No, I don't think that's, I don't think you could.

Um, I mean, I was, well, could you see where you were going put it that way?

Well, I was obviously not, it, it wasn't tenable for me anymore.

I couldn't continue to live the way I was living.

And your sons, they um, what age were they when all that kind of happened?

Oh, they, the divorce happened when they were about 12 or 13.

Hmm.

You know, people believe certain things and there's no changing them out of their beliefs.

And it's a crisis that brings you to be willing to take a look at truth because.

You know, beliefs are the substitute for living by truth.

And the reason we glom onto these beliefs when we know they're not true is because we don't want to face that.

Our beliefs, the falling in love, the that as if that will do it.

You know, as if that'll make you happy.

The work is gonna make you happy.

Success, you know, in um, India, one of the things that happens is that they can't overcome their poverty.

And so they never realize like, oh, it doesn't matter.

The poverty isn't what's making me unhappy.

I say to people, how is your life on a scale of one to 10, how is your life?

And always they come back.

Two things that are causing them consternation or that's causing them to not be a 10.

What do you think they are?

Um, regret?

Maybe money.

Oh yeah.

Financial stress and relationship.

Okay.

You know, it's like the, the right person would make the difference.

The right.

Okay.

Having enough, enough, more money in the bank account.

Now, how can you say to someone, it doesn't matter how much money you have in the bank account, take a look around at the Bill Gates of the world.

Well, this part of the world, Malibu might be a good example.

Not that I know a lot.

It's a huge example.

Yeah.

So take a look around.

We know logically that money's not gonna do it, and we know logically that another person can't complete us.

However, we pursue that till, till our graves as humans.

And so at some point you have to be, make a decision that you don't wanna live by these false beliefs anymore, these mental constructs.

And then that's when the shock of it and the, the, uh, pain discomfort begins.

And then it's a question of whether you wanna continue on that path.

It, it don't blame people who don't go on that path.

I don't have any judgment for that.

Yeah.

'cause I know it's not easy.

Mm-hmm.

You have to sit quietly and separate from that, uh, nature and that nature doesn't wanna go.

It goes kicking and screaming.

So have you got any tips on, I mean, it's, it, and it's, it's, I'm glad you highlighted the money in the relationship thing because how, how any tips on how one can address those two issues?

And, and, and this is not something that someone just go, oh no, but I had a young person come to me yesterday.

Yeah.

And, um, she said she's having a baby and she's having jealous rela feelings about the relationship, et cetera, et cetera.

And my question was, okay, what is your commitment to your path of truth and intuition?

And she said, I've been part-time and.

My position is that it's not gonna work because the very thing that tells you to get out of the chair from meditating is the mental mind.

The very thing that, like you said, something that, um, Gandhi or someone said, I've got a very busy day ahead of me.

I don't have time to meditate, so I think I'll do double do an hour.

That's right.

And or it was advice from some that was like, oh, you don't have time to meditate for 20 minutes, then you do an hour, two hours an hour.

Yeah.

So for her, the two questions are like, what are you doing that you know you shouldn't be doing?

And what do you know you're supposed to be doing that you're not?

That's it because it has, I don't know what's right for you, John Charles.

I only know what's right for me to do.

Mm-hmm.

Now I can listen to what you say and I can say like, well, that's the voice.

Of the mental mind.

Right.

I need, I want, I, there are, I should is the word.

So you can hear in someone else what they're listening to, but if they're not open to, you know, admitting that they're their want, the cause of their pain, they're the cause of their discomfort, then there's their choices.

I mean, because there's only now, there's no past and there is no future.

Have you ever been to the future?

Only in my mind, of course.

Right.

And those plans are a joke.

When you, when you, uh, asked to schedule this, I was like, okay.

You know, and then you said something and I said, there's, there is no future grasshopper.

I said, I said, see you tomorrow.

Yeah.

All right.

There's no future grasshopper.

If you showed up today, it was like, great.

If you didn't, I'm not believing in the future.

Now it's nice to say like, Hey, let's see how Friday works, or whatever, which is what you did.

And then when you're telling me you're late, it's like, there's no such thing, dude.

You're either following your intuition and you're coming at the right time, or you're following Mr.

Mental and you're under duress and pressure and fear and, and, and trepidation and guilt and shame.

And, I mean, forget that.

No, but you know what?

It's interesting.

Or enjoy it.

Well, it's interesting made that point because, because you're choosing it.

'cause you want it.

Yeah, go ahead.

At that point No, no, just the point about being late.

So that was kind of my response to myself.

'cause I, I, so that was chastising myself in some way for being late because I made a decision to wait at the hotel to get a coffee, not knowing that they were gonna get it wrong, wrong twice.

And then it was, you know, it was 25 minutes before.

Okay.

So you said you're chastising yourself.

Well, you know, I, yeah.

Well, not knowing you well enough to go, oh, she's not gonna mind.

I mean, I should have got that.

Given what you, given what you said the day before, but, but I What do you mean you chastised yourself?

Well, I guess my response to, I was going, are you fool?

You know Who was saying that?

You me Or the mental mind?

Oh, the mental mind.

Yeah.

My, my judge was saying, instead of saying, I, you, the judge, you say the mental mind the judge was, was, was, was trying to mess with me.

That's right.

It was trying to bring some weird feelings about it, and then I spoke out of that mental mind.

Yeah.

Because the more that you identify with it and own it, the more that the less that you, it will become an alien.

Which it is.

Yeah.

The reptilian alien, uh, lies.

Mm.

So the question was what was, what told you to stay and get the coffee?

You know, that's where you start.

When this woman called me and she's like, oh, you know, I'm in this ter I tried for, you know, 14 hours or something to not.

Um, listen to the jealousy or whatever.

I'm like, yeah, it hap it happens long before that.

It's a commitment to, to defeat this voice, to realize when it's fucking with you.

So you are all day long.

The mind is trying to, is a bag of tricks.

It's all day long.

It's trying to get you out of the present into the future, into its plans, into its, um, um, what's that word?

What's into its control?

Hebrew word for a, for little osh, I think it is.

There's a word for like mischief.

Yeah.

It's just, uh, it wants, it's just an interference field and your antidote to that is your practice of meditation, which might be 20 minutes.

It might be a little three minute pause in a scenario, it grounds you well once you realize you're dealing with the enemy.

Yeah.

And it's not resenting the enemy or hating the enemy, reacting to the enemy.

It's just the realization like, oh, I've got this, uh.

I've been believing this thing is my friend.

I've got this enemy, uh, wreaking havoc.

And it's like, okay, there's nothing else but defeating that.

What I found doing this, this, um, practice here before, when, when the, the sort of foundational learnings are literally naming the, the nine, the nine saboteurs and the judge being the, the king of them all.

I and you do a little test.

It's actually, it's really interesting.

And I'm an the, I'm an avoider pleaser, which is really interesting because they're the opposite, but they work in hand in hand, which really fucks you up 'cause you, well, it's the way that you as a child were able to navigate, get your needs met.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But there's, you know, that doesn't help you.

Oh, shit.

No.

And here's the, the worst part about it is that you just bring down terrible karma in yourself.

Mm.

And you're creating all kinds of blocks.

Because the universe gives you what you want, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And if you want the intuitive, the abundance and prosperity and the, the Una matata is here, but you're gonna have to stand up to the feelings within yourself, the guilt, the shame, the, um, you know, not pleasing everybody.

And, and actually the interest, one of the, one of the great little tactics is to name it, like give it a name and actually refer to it and go, sorry mate, I'm not listening to you today.

You are, you are gone.

Or actually laughing, laughing at it.

And I mean, it's, it's the, it's the, it's the, the acknowledging of go, oh, there it goes again.

There's my little judge, just having a bit of a chat.

Pardon me?

Um, there's a little judge.

Yeah, yeah.

A little judge.

And actually you name it, name it, and call it out and go.

Exactly.

You know, and then it, which is, which is what?

That's the first step.

Yeah, that's right.

Dwelling in the objective Christ consciousness.

Yeah.

Whether you call it the Buddhist, whatever, the con uh, dwelling, just in a metaphysical watching the movie instead of being the amoeba on the slide plate where you're just reacting, everybody like, oh, call.

Oh my God, I'm dreading this and hating that.

That's what happened when you first came on.

My employee, my coworker.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

So I said to her, I had given her a packet of sardines yesterday and it has a wrapper.

Mm-hmm.

And so I gave it to her for her lunch.

So I came down today and the, the wrapper was on the ground and I thought it was so fascinating 'cause I knew maybe an animal had pulled it out of the trash or something.

So I said, look at this wrapper's all the way over here.

Look at this, Lydia.

So she thought I was yelling at her for the trash.

Jumped to that.

Yeah.

So she jumped into that reactive mode and then it went downhill from there because there was no saying to her that I was not angry.

But you have to wait until the person's receptive and open and you can clear out that interference field.

So it's very important to be in that metaphysical, um, objective state so that you can do remote viewing, like to read the room.

Something will come to me and say she's ready, and I'll go down and say, can you talk?

And get her to see, do you see how this went down the rabbit hole of reacting?

Now she's having troubles at home.

So it's not anything to do with me.

It never is.

It's never personal.

It's their own issue.

You could be mental or emotional.

I could have been reactive and angry and like, what's this rapper doing here?

And then she would've gone down the same reactive hole, but I wasn't.

So it's just that she's believing a mental construct now that voice is talking to her all day long.

It's getting her to feel hurt.

It's getting her to feel misunderstood.

It's, it's a bag of tricks, that thing.

But in understanding how this thing works and having that intuitive awareness, you're able to help manage people.

You're able to raise the water table.

You're able to, um, help them be def, defeat it themselves.

And, and I guess you, all you can do is create the opportunity and the environment for that to take place.

For them to feel safe.

Feels, yeah, feel safe.

Fire, look in the mirror, whatever.

Fire.

Yeah.

They're gonna, but I want them to be their best self.

I meditated with her this morning.

I tried to, and she left.

We did, actually, that's not true.

We did for about 10 minutes.

Um, but I could see she was upset when she came.

So I am constantly inviting them into the situation of being able to meditate.

Because when you have employees that aren't their best selves, it's coming out into their work.

Yeah.

And it wreaks havoc in, in their lives and in their work life too.

So eventually they're feeling persecuted or the mental mind is a bag of tricks.

It's always gonna try to get people to be separate from each other, to view each other as enemies.

'cause that's the reactive mind, that's the evolutionary, um, protection that there's a threat.

I listen to a great podcast last year sometime, and it talks about as a, an raum and as a child we, this is not, you know, new stuff, but I guess this part of it was that as a child, we, we protect ourselves by creating a persona or a, you know.

Um, attaching meaning to an event, but it's not just about, like, say you're getting strife from your dad, right?

And he's yelling and screaming and because you've done something that you thought was fine, whatever.

And then you create, you attach meaning to that event, and then that, that, that then becomes a bit of a, a guidepost for the rest of your life.

You know, you go, well, if I do this, then that'll happen, and I then create, no unconsciously this is all going on.

That's it.

Exactly.

The mind is all subliminal behind the scenes.

That's right.

And we actually, this, this person talked about, we from a molecular and a, maybe a, a quantum point of view.

We actually set, do you want some water?

You got water?

No, you, you're good.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Um, you create in that moment a version of yourself, like almost another entity you that you then, I'm, I'm gonna call it a persona.

That you, that you then draw on.

So, so you create it as a child, as a protective mechanism and then you down the track.

Oh, yeah.

You walk through your life with that you're 35 and then literally that entity almost, which, which you can't really, I mean, there may be techniques to get rid of them, which is probably really, really handy thing.

It's called exorcisms.

Yeah.

Pretty much the, I was bang on about some the entities that you create within your body, which are a physical Oh, the exorcism.

Yeah.

Almost like a physical framework that you kind of Protector.

Protector.

Yeah.

You basically, uh, you put that cloak on Yeah.

To protect yourself.

Yeah.

From the trauma happening again.

Yeah.

When you almost regret, which is just a perceived trauma, which doesn't never happen.

No.

And that, that, that was a tactic that worked when you were five.

Right.

It doesn't work when you're 35, you know?

Right.

Hey, um, can we talk politics?

Sure.

What do you, what do you can, where do you wanna start?

Do you want, well.

Because I'm fascinated with basically my, my position is I'm a, um, a libertarian.

Mm-hmm.

I think we should have the keep the government out of our lives.

Now, having said that, the reason that laws and governments are developed is because people don't do what they know is right and encroaches on someone else's rights.

So, um, I believe in less government because I think that it's not a, um, I'm a free market capitalist that, um, free market capitalism is, although faulty is the only system which rewards you for your hard work, and basically this fight or flight thing makes us resistant to change and makes us trying to find ways to avoid, um, expending energy, which is a strange paradigm because.

In doing the work, it's energizing and overcoming the resistances within ourselves and, um, overcoming the mental mind that tells you it can't be done.

It's too hard, or, um, this is gonna happen, that's gonna happen.

The predictor of the future is always the lie.

Nobody has any idea what's gonna happen in the future.

And if they tell you it, they're lying.

Tell, say that again.

The predictor of the future is always the lie.

You wanna expand on that?

Yeah.

The, the future is unknown to all of us.

No one has any idea what's gonna happen in the future.

Uh, I mean.

Anyone who thinks that they can tell you anyone that's telling you what's gonna happen in the future.

Yeah.

Like, I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna do that.

I mean, you're saying to me of our so-called appointment at 10:00 AM First of all, it didn't happen.

I'm not saying you should have.

That's what I was saying to you when you made the appointment.

It's like, okay, you know, I did that on purpose just so that we could have this conversation as an example.

Yeah.

I knew exactly.

No, but the point is it's like, I know, I didn't believe you to say like you're gonna be here at 10.

That's why when you're apologizing, it's like, I never believed it, because I know no one knows what's gonna happen in the future.

You could have gotten an accident on PCH.

There's all kinds of, um, miosh that happens between what your well-laid plans are and what the universe is actually going to allow you to do.

So being in alignment with the intuition and being in alignment with what.

Um, is supposed to happen is where my goal is to be intuitively where I'm know That's right.

For me to be.

So, say I couldn't give a shit and I just was say that was, that was, or a person had said, I'm gonna be there at 10.

I, I'm, I mean, I just wanna explore this because for clarity.

For clarity.

Well, also, I struggle, not, I struggle with it, but I now I'm gonna cough.

Now I'm gonna cough.

Say you had somewhere to say where someone was coming here at 11 and you knew you had to be with that person at 11.

Not had to be, that was the plan.

That was what was kinda laid out for your day and you somewhat planned your day.

Well, they're gonna be here at 10 and that's all, you know, you know, and me, me going.

Just turning up at 10 30 'cause I couldn't give a fuck.

I didn't get any.

I gotta be late and I she'll be right and you know, you've only got half an hour 'cause someone else was coming And that pushes all, everyone that, that back and you back.

I'm not saying me back.

Right.

Well you know, you, you then you might have had something, other stuff you needed to do today, but that kind of somewhat inconvenienced you.

But then again it's something being an inconvenience and not as a choice I guess.

Is that what it's about?

The choice is the, the question is, this is a delicious, do you know what's going?

Isn't it great?

Oh, so good.

White Peach.

Where's that from?

Low acid Frog Hollow Farm.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Frog Hollow.

Thank you.

Frog Hollow Farmer.

Al Al.

Probably one of the best farmers in California and probably the United States.

Frog Hollow.

Be right down.

Frog Hollow.

Frog Hollow.

Oh, we'll do show notes too.

Um.

Um, response to that.

Your idea is that you have a schedule mm-hmm.

That's schedule interferes with you doing what you know is right.

What if I put that schedule together based on what I thought was right.

You don't know what's gonna happen in the future.

It's a lie to say, you know what you're gonna do.

No, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go into it knowing what's gonna happen, but having a plan of how I'd like to spend my day to, to do well, that's because what is right in that day that I felt was right to do in that day.

Because doing what you know is right is intuitively being led in the moment.

Mm-hmm.

And that's the only way it can evolve.

I mean, normally I'm not here on Fridays.

The intuition usually leads me to go to where my accounts are.

So it's not a question.

I don't think about it.

People ask me, are you coming?

I have no idea.

I know the folly of my planning.

It just interferes with me being able to do what I know is right now, you've got some obligation.

Now you've given your word to things.

I don't give my word in the future because it is a, uh, promissory, it's a promissory commitment, and it's a lie because I don't know what I'll be able to do.

So I could've got here at 10 30 and you mightn't have been here.

Correct.

And then what?

Then I would've gone, Karen, or you would've I totally understand.

I will.

No, no.

Do you get it?

No, I do.

My wife.

My wife.

Now you're gonna get upset.

My wi No, no, no.

I'm not.

I, no, but I'm saying that's the trap.

Yeah.

Frustration.

'cause it doesn't work out the way you planned.

Mm.

It's the biggest thing that people will tell you.

You said you planned, you made a commitment.

I, when I say things, when people ask me about things, it's like, sure, let's play it by ear.

How does, how does it work?

Mm.

That's why when you said to me, see you tomorrow, whatever.

It's like, there's no future grasshopper.

I might be you.

I'm wanting to woke home up.

Huh?

I'm really glad I did.

I said I mightn't have woken up this morning.

That's the truth.

Let's get into politics.

Talking about, oh yeah, politics.

Talking about not waking up.

Less government.

Let's talk about not waking up.

I'm talking about less government.

Look at what they did in Australia during COVID.

The biggest tyranny, overreach of any government anywhere.

So you, you, you, I'm talking about Oh yeah.

Free government democracy supposedly in Australia.

So you saw all that.

You got, you got, you got wind book.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

'cause I don't know how the rest of the world kind of viewed all that.

Well, I mean, I grew up with Robert Kennedy Jr.

My family is cousins with him, so it's like I have for a long time.

He and I were the two.

There's another woman, Jesse Shepherd, she was pretty organic and Louise O'Neill.

Um, she was organic in Hyannisport, but beyond that, we were the only organic, I was doing organic farming 35 years ago in Hyannisport and Bobby Kennedy, Jr.

Was dealing with four children who had asthma.

Mm-hmm.

It's craziness.

Four children having asthma.

So the point is that the, um, he was aware of what the, the, the poisoning of our country and our children was happening then, and of course it was in Hyannis Port that that famous mother came into town with boxes and boxes of research about vaccine damage that happened to her son.

And she said, I'm not leaving Hyannis Port Bobby until you read this information.

And luckily trained as a lawyer, he could read these scientific papers.

He, he was the one that got Monsanto to pay for these cancers.

I have a farmer right now, she's 75 and she has terrible cancer.

She's in for treatments and chemotherapy all the time.

She was a Monsanto rep.

She was teaching people how to use glyphosate round up as part of the job.

She would literally go out there and mix it up and.

Wow.

And she got a settlement.

But what good is a settlement?

Yeah.

It's not gonna give you a life back.

Is it years ago?

Life?

No.

Or your health?

No.

So, um, I saw early on that this was a money grab that this, uh, pharmaceutical industrial complex and the military industrial complex that was involved with the government was, uh, unethical and, uh, um, evil.

Oh.

Either the COVID thing that what you're, I mean, it's, it's the cutter Look up the cutter incident.

What's that one?

Polio vaccine.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

Killed millions of babies.

Mm.

And that's where they started with the, um, HIV.

Mm-hmm.

Linked to the same, I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's sick.

What we've done.

And the fact is that, um, Fauci has profited as have all those people who have worked in the government and the, and they, it was, um, a terrible thing.

And they also have covered up all the information about the non-natural electromagnetic electro electric, magnetic, magnetic fields.

Mm-hmm.

They've covered up the non-natural electrical magnetic fields, and we as humans are electrical or electromagnetic.

There's a great book called The Body Electric by Dr.

Becker in the 1950s and sixties, and they did all kinds of studies and cell phones.

The, the US military did the studies on the cancers that were linked to the radio, trans radio transmission, and to the cell phone technology.

And what did they do?

They ignored it because the telecom industry, that's the third industry that's profiting off of the government and support in bed with the government.

So those, just to re recap, big farmers won military, industrial.

How many wars do you think we should be, uh, supplying all over the world to kill young men?

Well, ridiculous.

So, so military, industrial, complex.

Big pharma.

The pharma, industrial.

Industrial big, the big ag there.

Three.

And what was that one?

Oh, big was big, big ag is the subsidies and then the telecom industries.

Telecom being the electrical.

Yes.

Yeah.

The head of the FCC who allowed all of the cell phone towers without overriding the approval.

And there was this, uh, Chevron to law that the Supreme Court just, uh, overturned.

Um, we need to go back to that law with the.

With the FCC being able to put in cell towers wherever they want to.

And we municipalities having to capitulate to the federal mandate.

It's, and now he's working, now he and his son, that same senator who pushed that bill through, I think he was from Tennessee, uh, are now working in the federal FCC telecom industry.

Most of 'em do, don't they?

They do their job for the Oh yeah.

They come in and then they in, when they're there, and then they get the big, the big, big salary job.

They become a lobbyist for millions of dollars.

And so back to, oh, there and big oil.

Is that, is it, do they sit there and in there as well?

I mean, they're the ones who buy up all the, I'm not, I'm so not a big fan of electric cars.

That's a whole nother thing.

But like the hydrogen engine, that's, that's another scam.

That's another scam.

Absolutely.

The, the, the oil industry have bought up all of the, any technology that looks like it's gonna compete with oil.

In terms of propulsion, there is nothing that's gonna compete with oil at this point.

Wind doesn't work.

No, not some, some of the renewables, but say, you know, the, the, there's engines that run on water.

I agree.

Hydrogen engines.

Hydrogen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that needs to be, they get bought up.

And then it's just the whole thing about having the politics in corporations, it needs to be out.

Mm-hmm.

And, um, that's why you're finding this, um, gravitation.

See, people don't understand that our elections in the states have to do with economics.

And so when the Midwest states were suffering because of the policies of the Democrats, you know, under Obama, is that from a rural point of view?

Like is it more agriculture policies?

Coal industries?

Coal oil industries, the Midwest where they're dependent upon jobs and Yep.

And, and then industry and then, you know, um, Donald Trump came in and won and they were shocked.

I was surprised myself and I realized it's all about economics.

So now we've got huge inflation.

Diesel gas is a, I mean, the price of gas is a joke and it has been, and they've taken everything offshore and Donald Trump has come back in.

It's my prediction that he will win.

Mm-hmm.

And it's all economics and it's all trees.

People have had enough of the Yeah.

They've the, they've had enough of the, um, incredible inflation, had enough of the, um, prices of, obviously of gas and, and these economic policies where us is last and whether Donald Trump can see through with his promises that it's a better option.

In my opinion, Bobby is, um, the best option because he knows how to disable these industries.

Mm.

And um, for those who dunno much about him.

Yeah.

And it's interesting that a lot of the people we've talked to randomly, whether it's a waiter or a cab driver, yes.

Either say.

Oh, isn't he the guy got brain damage?

Or, or Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

He's, he's, he's a Kennedy and that, that's not gonna cut it.

Like, or they just don't even know who he is.

Right.

Well, he's been, you know, that's the other thing.

The censorship, yeah, the industrial media, the complex as well.

The media is in bed and that's what's happening in these house hearings.

I don't know if you've seen them, but they're going through the censorship, how President Biden was contacting Facebook and, and, um, the, the media companies are telling them what, um, truth should be told.

Well, that's totally anti-American censorship.

So these are the, the, the cornerstone issues I think that will be played out.

And I, I think that the attempted assassination was, showed us like how ridiculous the government is and, um.

Even if it was a plot to kill 'em by the, by inside the government or whatever, this, the Secret Service didn't do their job and the the job they did was just such a joke.

It shows you what's wrong with government.

You have absentee landlords running it, and no accountability and huge budgets that they're gonna spend.

Even if they don't need it.

There's no, it's not, that's the problem with government or socialism, is that in the capitalist, free capitalist market, there's an incentive.

Mm.

If you don't watch your money, then you're gonna be outta business.

But in the government, it's like the, uh, endless.

Well, I was listening to Tucker Carlson yesterday because he was in Australia about a month ago.

He loves Australia.

I think it was the first time he'd been there, but he just said he was fascinating 'cause his, his, his, his observations were spot on and.

Well in, in light of what you've just said about government and who's in there and why, what, why and what they're doing.

Yeah.

He said one of your parties is in Australia, is a labor party.

Now, not one of them has a trade.

Right.

The labor party, the working party.

None of them have ever generally worked in outside of politics.

You know, they're not, they're not, they're not on the ground.

Correct.

They're not coming from that background.

They're there.

Correct.

They're on the take.

Correct.

You know, and that's why a lot of the entrepreneurs in small businesses like Donald Trump, and that's why a lot of industry likes Donald Trump because he has done it.

He's, you know, has had payrolls.

So your, your, your, your intuition.

Can I say that?

Is that, that Donald will, he'll get up?

Yep.

Yeah.

And Bobby will be on, on his team.

He'll be on Team Trump.

He's been, there's talk of him being a.

What is it the Attorney General?

No.

What do you call him over here?

Yeah.

The attorney General of some capacity.

The thing is, um, Donald and Bobby spoke before his first election, and Donald was going to appoint him as the vaccine czar OO before COVID overseeing that the whole vaccine showed the NIH.

Yep.

That was before COVID.

Yep.

Yeah.

And then he backed away, you know, why, who, who backed away from who?

Donald Trump backed away Bobby from appointing Bobby because his handlers told him that the pharmaceutical industry would pull back their support.

Yep.

And so look at what happened.

Yep.

And what's he gonna, what's he gonna do now though?

Like if, if there's talk, I don't think it, he's a lame duck president after he gets elected.

So he doesn't care about what kind of support the pharmaceutical industry will pull back.

Yeah.

And they'll be held to pay because if he does it right, they're going to disable that connection between, I mean, what fauci did you know what he did?

Right.

They were doing that mRNA technology or they um Yeah, gain of function stuff.

Gain of function stuff.

And Obama told them to stop it.

That's right.

Obama did.

That's right.

And they, um, hijacked it out to the universities.

Very sneak The water is, is fixed.

The filter had to be removed because collecting too much calcium.

That's why the water going slow.

But do you remove it and put the fresh new one?

This, it's the same.

So, um.

Where were we?

Bobby?

Gain of function.

Gain of function.

So then they universities, then they, uh, farmed it out to the universities.

Yeah.

And some military bases and end around.

Didn't it go, didn't it go, it wasn't one of those military, military bases, or didn't some of that technology get, it's such a dog's breakfast to the Ukraine, to the Ukraine and to China to plot to China.

The plot thickens added to China.

I know, but didn't, didn't, I mean, is there anybody in the world that deserves less of our money than China and then didn't felt you like crew?

A common state where they just slaughtered any protest they slaughter any, their censorship?

They're, they're doing facial recognition and if you haven't had a vaccine, they're gonna put you in jail.

And we are doing gain of function research and in bed with the Chinese giving them.

Yeah.

And didn't fauci like approve funding that he shouldn't have?

'cause he didn't have the authority, but he did 'cause Correct.

He's is he, is he gonna be a four guy?

Because I was listening to something the other day and they go, it's, he's in this spotlight.

Someone's gotta take, take the hit and it's gonna be him because there's just too many.

If if, if he doesn't go down, then others will and they go, oh, it's very evil what they did.

And Ron, Paul Rand Paul is all over it.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's great, isn't he?

He's awesome.

I hope he doesn't get an attempted assassination attempt.

Is he is, is he, excuse my ignorance of American politics.

Is someone like him, or maybe specifically him, is he, is he like president presidential candidate?

Yeah, I would say material, but down the track he's got a, I would say Nie, no, he's been around for a long time.

I don't know if he wants it.

He's a doctor, right?

He's a doctor.

He knows, he, he knows what he talking about.

His father was also a senator, Rob and Paul.

Um, and he's been on the, the, I mean, what a gift he is.

Yeah.

Well he calls him out.

That's what I'm saying.

And he knows what he's talking about.

He can have those conversations.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Which is pretty handy.

And he's so great with truth over and over again.

Yeah.

Well he is like a dog with the bone, isn't he?

He just hammers, hammers, hammers.

So Fauci will now he is got Fauci on record lying.

Yep.

And then they found this, what they did was so sneaky, they called it, um, gain of function.

I think they put something with the dollar signs in it.

They had a nickname for it.

So if they searched the emails, it wouldn't come up.

It wouldn't come up.

That's right.

And they found it, you know, of course.

Just like this kid, you know, apparently they, that, uh, assassination the attempted assassinator.

Oh yeah.

Had someone in his purview had visited to the f somewhere near the FBI building in Washington.

Um, so like the truth always comes out, but this corruption's gotta end.

It started in the sixties when they took down Nixon and I think, uh, a lot of it was, uh, Nixon was framed, but we'll see.

Um, there's a great guy who I listened to, um, about this.

Bobby Kennedy did a podcast with Rick Rubin.

Okay.

And, uh, Jack Cruz, K-R-U-S-E.

Rick Rubin is probably the number one music producer.

And it's Bobby, Dr.

Jack Cruz, who was there in Louisiana.

Uh, during this, a lot of this, the after effect of the polio vaccines.

And then, um.

Rick Rubin, he's got that podcast called Tetra Grammy.

They're all on the same.

Oh, so whose podcast was actually, was it on Rick Rubins?

He, and he had Bobby.

He Bobby and Jack there.

Dr.

Jack.

Okay.

Awesome.

And Rick Rubin has another great podcast with, uh, Andrew Huberman and, um, Dr.

Jack Cruz and Rick Rubin on Te Teter.

Gamon, I think it's called.

Right.

Teon.

That's Rick Rubin's podcast.

I dunno, Tera, um, anything other, any other comments on Ppol politics before we leave that one?

Well, we, you know, we get the government we deserve.

Yeah.

If we put up with it.

Put up with it.

Yeah.

And don't we encourage a value system?

I mean, shutting down the business system during COVID, it's like, you know, how many.

Is, I really lost so many, so many restaurants.

So many small businesses, so many people who have put their life into things.

It's gone.

There's no one that's out there standing up for the maybe, uh, the Donald will, I don't know.

But was that, I mean, was that all part of the plan?

There's like, yeah, of course.

Too many businesses are thriving.

We want to actually just, it's all part of, it's all part of compliance and all part of population, part of compliance is the word.

Yeah.

We can get them to comply to believe the lie.

I did not vaccinate my children 35 years so ago.

So you, you knew that all that long, all that time ago.

Yeah.

Well, if you do the research now, the thing is what Bobby is getting the, uh, pharmaceutical companies on now is fraud.

There was a law, Ronald Reagan put it in place that there was, um, prosecutorial immunity for pharmaceutical companies.

Mm.

But they had to disclose all the evidence.

All of it.

All the, the scientific research on the whatever they were, um, ministering, including vaccine effects and vaccine damage.

And they stopped doing that and because they stopped doing it.

See, when I started to look at my children, I think 1986 was the, uh, immunity.

My son was born in 86 and 89.

Well, I did all the research and the only one that I could feel was okay, and I didn't even feel like they needed, it was, uh, polio.

Uh, not polio, but um, what's the one?

Rabies.

Oh, rabies, right?

The rabies vaccine.

No, we didn't do the mumps.

Um, mumps of tussin and tetanus.

It was tetanus.

Tetanus that I gave to my son.

And the other ones I forego because they were homeschooled.

They weren't going into a city environment where there was any threat to their life or they weren't a threat to other people at the time.

And the more I went down the rabbit hole of these vaccines, I realized like, this is a scam.

There wasn't a threat scam.

Yeah.

We used to have chicken pox parties when I was across town.

Yeah.

Who Got'em had measles?

P Who's got 'em?

Get them over there as early as possible.

Yeah.

'cause you need the immune system to be fighting that, because then that's also what's gonna fight COVID.

Now the coronavirus was always known as a winter disease.

Everyone that gets cor Corona, the coronavirus, the COVID or whatever, has low vitamin D levels.

Mm-hmm.

Winter time.

Mm-hmm.

So the the, what did they tell 'em to do?

Don't go to the beaches.

Yeah.

Don't go outside.

Go outside.

What the, well, but I mean, but I'm, I'm pretty sure that's, they knew all that.

I mean there was no, there was ignorance, but there was also like.

I don't know.

Some people in the mix knew and went, okay, wow, this is cool.

Tell 'em not to do this.

Not to do that.

That'll make it worse.

That's ster.

That's a part of it.

Somewhere there it's called evil.

It is evil.

It's horrifyingly evil.

But I mean, the more you dig and you don't actually have to dig very far.

No, you don't.

You see, it's all the same shit.

It's all the same tactics.

It's just that's a medical tactic.

That's a agricultural tactic.

That's a, you know, as you say, the alation, it's all of the money.

Communication.

Yeah, totally.

It's all, but it goes back to the mental constructs.

Believing the lie or believe, or being willing to take a look at the truth as uncomfortable.

It might be the government is not your friend.

That's easier not to, I'm not condemning it, but it's easier not to look at the truth because ignorance take the jab and then you're dead.

Yeah.

Five years later, three years later.

What's the media doing over here now?

Are they, are they 'cause in Australia, how about Jack?

You know, there's a sense of, gets vaccinated at the VA hospital, then he ends up with that cancer.

Ah, I did see that one.

Jack.

Jack.

Oh, that, oh yes, that jack.

Sorry, I was talking about Oh no, a report.

Our jack, a compost Jack comes to me.

I know.

Soon afterwards I've got this aggressive cancer and it's the one that's always coming up.

It's that, but that's his choice.

I told him do thing, but I guess, you know, his age, the people he was hanging around, I don't know, trust in the medical fraternity.

The va, they made money off of it.

Yeah.

Um, tell me, talking about bodies.

I was listening to Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson on the way up.

Oh, nice.

The, I think it's like yesterday's interview.

It's really fresh and they're talking about psychedelics.

Is, is, is that something you know much about?

It isn't as much as anyone knows.

I mean, um, I didn't need psychedelics to wake up.

Mm-hmm.

But sometimes people can use psychedelics to wake up out of the matrix and the lie, the mental constructs.

I think it's great.

What's interesting there, I mean, there are two smart guys and I don't know if Jordan's been there, done that, but he gets the, the mechanism and he gets kind of the value.

But it was fascinating how they went back to Joe was saying he firmly believes it's actually how it's, it's actually been part of evolution that we have.

We are got, we've got to be this, you know, humans and this evolved creature because of our ancestors.

Like going back many, many, many, you know.

You pick a number, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years we've seen it helped develop us, our creativity.

And also in the fifties and sixties there was, it was around, and then in at some point, they, it was 1972.

Was it, they basically made it a, a cat, was it a category run, one drug or was it in the early eighties?

It was interesting 'cause he said in the sixties, the fifties and sixties and seventies, the world changed.

It exploded with creativity and design, all sorts of stuff.

And then from about the early eighties, nothing has changed.

Um, it was, it was just really interesting that the, that I'd never thought about its impact on em.

It's his view on human evolution.

Well.

I don't know about how much mushrooms were involved in human evolution, but I know that, um, sunlight increases the dopamine, the serotonin clarity You ever, um, are having an issue inside a house.

Just walk outside for a little while.

Laws of nature are pretty clear and, um, for, you know, millions of years we were farmers, we were out outdoor people.

And, um, I think the human spirit is, is way more powerful than a mushroom.

We know when we're doing what's right and we know when, when we're not, and following that is the key.

Some people say that the.

It's almost not cheating, but it's almost like it's an easy way to, it's an easy way to work it out.

Hi.

Welcome.

Hello.

Oh yeah.

Just check it out.

Yeah, come on up.

Thank you.

Um, say that again.

The last, oh, just saying that some people say it's actually a bit of a cheats way to get to get to that point.

Listen, however you get to be able to break out of it.

Yeah.

It's gotta be a good thing.

Um, now I wanna talk before I'm conscious of time and food.

Let's get back to food.

'cause this is what, this is how I got to meet you.

Your farm, your business.

Did you, when the fires went through, did it ever cross your mind that you just went, ah, fuck it.

The house is gone.

Lydia, will you show this lovely woman where the cooler is?

I just called her right here by.

Got my daughter.

Go ahead.

Say that again.

Um, food did, did it ever, did it cross your mind when the fires come through that you might just go, well, it, it's just easy to stop doing this.

Did it, did that cross your mind at all?

Or you just went, no, I'm just gonna, we'll start again.

Well, that's what I was saying to you about the plan.

You're given a vision, but you don't know how the intuition is gonna guide you to get that vision accomplished.

And when you're following this intuition, you know that, that the, the plan is tried and true.

And as long as I stay true to the intuition, I don't know how it'll work out, but it'll all work out great.

So there was never any doubt.

Well, the doubt is the mental mind.

If you're gonna have doubt about, you know, if, if I believe that you

were gonna be here at 10:00 AM And I, I mean, I'm not, I don't care.

It's just no, uh, a an example of the how the mind works.

Um, and then I would've been disappointed, but I don't, I don't have that.

I, you know, didn't know what would happen in the fires.

I tried to save the house.

I was up on the roof, wetting it down, and maybe that was a mental reaction.

Um, I saved this area because I sat inside of the, my, uh, tractor and I just put the embers out with Caesar.

And, um, so it was still, I knew and know that, um, whatever happens, I'm gonna do what I know is right, and that's gonna be the guarantor that things are in my life at.

Bring a hundred percent on the right path.

Food industry.

Your business.

Your business.

Yeah.

Tell, tell us, tell us about that now, where you are up to with it.

How can people who are in this part of the world or this country Yeah.

Get to know you, see the work, buy the food, come and visit, all that sort of stuff.

I'm at the Malibu Fig Ranch and it's at Point Doom.

We have compost, biodynamic, compost lessons every Tuesday free.

Um, you can come work in the farm, volunteer in the farm, and we have a farm stand that's, uh, all of the amazing food that we buy for the chefs.

It's all organic and beyond organic.

And, um, if you're a restaurant, we sell to the restaurants.

If you're a person, we can talk about doing a farm box, but here we are.

And so this is the hub we travel from?

Yeah.

Northern California, all the way down just to San Diego.

Finding the best farmers, the best varieties, the best growing practices, and we, um, have the most transparent pricing and, um, we the best value that you can find.

And your Instagram handle, or one of them in Malibu fig ranch.

Ah, intuitive forager.

Yeah, I, intuitive forager got hacked and so I've gotta get that back.

But yeah, I do have an intuitive forager one.

I haven't been actively doing it.

Malibu Fig Ranch is where I've been.

And so you are a modern day forager, right?

I mean, you, you can literally turn around a forage, something in, in your garden or anywhere.

Yeah, we do.

But you are a forger of other people's gardens.

Yeah.

Fields, you know, kelp from the sea.

Um, do you Yeah.

Chefs wanna do a fancy thing or they ask me to find things wild.

You know, mushrooms and centres.

Morels and.

Anything.

So your biological, your botanical, you're quite botanical, you know, kind of can you know what's what?

Yeah.

Pretty well.

Oh, a hundred percent.

Is that learn or is that in, is that just Well, my first business was mad Elle Mushroom, and I had an old mycologist to train me, madam.

Is it cool?

But the thing is that then we had a mycelium because of the drought for the last 10 years, we've lost a lot of our mushroom mycelium.

You mean the, the fruiting bodies don't come up as much because they haven't had the water.

But now, let's see, we had amazing water the last couple years, so maybe that the mycelium will come back.

Uh, the, the, well, I guess the, the spores will be there.

They just need the right conditions.

I've noticed the hills are as green as I've ever seen them.

Oh yeah.

We've had tremendous rain.

It's been great.

It's fascinating.

And it's in summer, which I would've expected to have been, I know, bear of the badges ass and, and burnt or something.

Because when we were here for the fire, they used to say The Brown Hills.

The brown hills.

That's right.

But when we were here six and a half years ago, that was in winter.

Yeah.

In December.

In January.

Yeah.

And it was, that was fascinating.

It, that was like, it was like a summer in Australia.

Just burnt.

Yeah.

And then the rain came.

Yep.

And the mudslides.

Yep.

It was nuts.

' cause they don't plant when you're not there, when, when we, when we have the opportunity to plant, we should be planting these people who are building houses up on these look like Santa Rosa.

You know, there was a huge fire in Santa Rosa.

So many, um, building, biology, building.

Structural engineers said don't build these neighborhoods here because this is a fire zone.

It'll just create a whole thing.

So what do they do?

They build all these neighborhoods and then they figure get out.

They're all gone.

Because there's plenty that one can do, you know, with, with fire.

That's fine.

That's fine.

Fire retardant, um, plantings, oak trees, everything.

No deciduous, everything.

There's, there's no shortage of information.

Yeah, totally.

Oak trees especially 'cause they don't burn.

That's right.

We have the eucalyptus.

The eucalyptus did mean they fucking exploded.

This is it.

This whole farm was eucalyptus.

This is the irony bit.

'cause in the 1950s and sixties it was an inexpensive windbreak.

Totally.

Yeah.

This canyon is tremendous wind.

Eucalyptus, love it here.

Perfect environment for them.

Um, conscious of time.

I'm just going to, we're gonna wrap it up, I reckon.

Anything else you wanna touch on?

This is, I've really enjoyed this chat.

You know, as busted up as it has been.

We've, we've changed locations, we've had download, upload issues.

What did you enjoy?

What did I bring to the table that was useful?

Oh, just ran for your life.

Um, oh, I, I always knew it was gonna be great.

I mean, I've been, we had a really good yarn here five, six and a half years ago.

Um, that's why we dropped in three weeks ago.

'cause I'm just thrilled that you were here and.

I just knew, I knew my intuition told me.

'cause you're a bit of a freak in a good way.

Yeah, because I, I just, I don't know.

I love, I love your, your na the, your, your nature, your, your, your spirit.

I don't know.

You're a nice lady.

That's why I don't know about being nice.

Um, I know that like, um, we're here to help each other, but the person only helps themselves to, you know, they, there's, there's an, um, a spirit of, um, open openness and open-heartedness that where we are supposed to help each other.

And, and then when the teacher, when the students is ready, the teachers appear.

Like we get teachers all day long.

Yeah.

We have lessons all day long if you're open to seeing them and standing.

Um, what have you learned today?

Um, how, how little of the past really?

Well, so when you were asking me about the past of my, you know, early childhood and, and even the fires, it's, it's like distant, which is nice.

I don't have any trauma about it or kind of how it's like I'm talking about another person.

I, I, um, identify so little with the past and just the now of what I'm dealing with now and what's happening within me now, and how react, you know, how reactionary I am now.

Anything, anytime.

My, my whole thing is about not getting upset and not taking things personally.

'cause it doesn't help me.

No, it's the, the voice of the lie.

The prince of darkness.

Yeah.

Well, I guess you're right that, that the, the, the upset is, is.

Generally because of there was an expectation that wasn't met.

And so there's disappointment or anger or, or a fight or flight for Yeah.

Threat.

And well, just thinking we can control something where we, we clearly can't.

Nothing.

No, there's not.

Like we can, you can control your own reactions.

That's it.

You can control your own choices, but beyond that, it's, um, uncontrolled.

We always have a choice.

Hey, let's wrap it up.

Um, what I do wanna do for our subscribers, we have a little extra bit, I'm gonna take a little bit of this interview out and have that for them, but also I have a little q, q and A.

Can we do a quick q and a?

Sure.

It's about 10 minutes.

Sure.

I've got sort of half a dozen standard questions.

Sure.

Which I think, um, will be fun.

And that'll be available to our subscribers on a different, they pay me.

$5 or $6.

That's great.

Patri?

A month.

A month.

Oh, it was on Patreon, but we actually sort of found it.

It was a bit hard to, I don't think people were ready for it.

Australia, I think in, in a, in the States for some reason it seems to work quite well, but maybe Australians aren't used to that kind of tech on their phone or they're not.

It's just one more social media kind of thing.

I don't know.

We, we we're chaining to, to a different platform.

Um, that's all a bit beyond my purview.

Pur.

Yeah.

It's like, oh my God, my one will bit of tech.

I just don't think I need to know all about as long as it works.

Sorry.

I've got a good team.

I've got a great team who helps me with that.

Um, Kerry, is it, oh, it's ON isn't it Karen?

O-N-K-E-I-R-E-N.

Oh, EN.

Karen Bloody Can't even spell.

Is that actually, that's Irish.

Is that Irish or Scottish?

Irish.

Irish from the Village of Kill Karen.

Uh, on the west come tomorrow.

On the west, you say on the west coast?

Yeah.

Near Clifton.

How cool is island?

Have you been, have you been back Many times.

Really?

Is that, does it feel like a bit of an ancestral?

My cousins run the seaweed factory there, the kelp factory.

Oh, cool.

Is that where you saw some of your stuff?

No, not now, but I have a Santa Barbara Farmer that went out and stayed with them and learned all about using kelp for, um, fertilizer.

Yeah, well that was, that's that's what they, that was one of the only, well, not one of the only New England.

Yeah.

When the colonists first came.

That's what they eat.

Kelp into the, under the soil.

John Kelp alums.

Yeah.

And fish.

And fish.

They buried the fish.

Do you do any biodynamic, um, preparations with the fish here or seaweed putting the preps?

No, I could, I could tell you about that off the line.

It's great.

You used to get a drum.

You can't even get 20 liter bucket.

It's not very much.

But, and you, um.

You can get, get fish or kelp.

Actually, if you've got access to kelp, that's probably the best thing to do.

Put in a drum full of water, put the six biodynamic preparations in it.

Great idea.

But in a, but you put it in a, you get a little ball.

So golf ball, size of compost and clay.

So it stays together.

Put each, put a one prep in each ball of the five and submerge it.

And then you do the arrow and, um, not the arrow, sorry, the, um, valerian and sprinkle that in.

Leave it for a couple of months, then stir it.

Leave it for another month or two, and you'll have this amazing golden syrupy.

It must smell like crazy.

No, it's, it's not bad.

It's not bad.

It doesn't matter.

It's the fish.

The fish is the one that stinks.

Oh yeah.

You've gotta have that debugger somewhere.

You just, but, but same deal.

I've got manure being delivered, organic, uh, dairy manure being delivered next week.

I gotta put it way off in the corner of the property.

It is.

Oh, it's just, it's raw.

It's, it's pretty fresh, raw.

It's, it's watery.

What are you gonna mix that with?

That's what we make our compost from.

But when, when do you, at what point do you make the compost?

Like, do you let that sit there and let it kind of just sort of Oh, we take, do a same thing.

We start doing it right away with the, with the waste and the hay.

Yeah.

Alfalfa and our preps.

And we do layers.

Yep.

Every Tuesday.

Do you put, how do you that compost pile?

We do ones.

Oh, so so you use it We do rows of it.

You do rows of it?

Yeah.

Yep, yep, yep.

And then how do you, you do you insert the preps, um, individually or you put the, put 'em on the compost pile.

You do a liquid.

A liquid, yeah.

We do the stir, stir stir.

And you put that on as a liquid, and then we put it on as a liquid.

Ah.

Because what we also do is put the preps in, in a, in a little clay ball.

Compost pulse stayed as big as that table.

Mm-hmm.

One to three for five.

Sprinkle, sprinkle, let it sit there.

That's a good idea too.

I've seen, I think they do that over at, uh, Molly and John's farm.

Uh, what's it called again?

Molly and John Moor Park.

I don't know the biggest little farm that Oh yeah.

I've been trying to get in touch with them.

Um, I was keen to go and interview them, but I just couldn't get onto them.

They, I guess they're big and busy.

Um, we've got great photos of, of the, that's another farm that's like, um, chef Dan Barber's farm.

Oh yeah.

Well funded.

Yeah.

Yes.

But you know, that's, if it, okay, if people see it and hey, hey, ha, I have no problem.

There's an there, there's a, but I'm saying there's a big difference between the choice.

I mean, not really.

Yeah.

The intuition guides you, so.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter.

Yeah.

Look, I think any method, well above board of, you know, people can understand and see.

The benefits and get a bit curious about it.

I think that's correct.

That's gotta be a good thing.

Yeah.