My father forced me to think, you know, when there was problems to be solved, he would say, fix it or else.

And that meant beg, borrow, steal, go to a library, use a phone book, do whatever you gotta do, but you better fucking figure it out 'cause it's gonna hurt if you don't.

So I learned to think on my feet and move quick.

I was also, I started boxing at 12 because I hated my father so much.

I knew I was gonna have to defend myself and might even have to save somebody's life.

So I got into martial arts and boxing at 12 and that later became very important in my life.

'cause that's what ultimately led to me becoming a holistic health practitioner.

And that's what how my career got started.

That was Paul Check and you are listening to the Regenerative Journey.

Good day.

I'm your host, Charlie Arnett, an eighth generational Australian regenerative farmer.

And in this podcast series, I'll be diving deep and exploring my guests unique perspectives on the world so you can apply their experience and knowledge to cultivate your own transition to a more regenerative way of life.

Welcome to the Regenerative Journey with your host, Charlie Arnet.

G Day.

Welcome back to the Regenerative Journey.

Welcome to this episode with Paul Check, uh, big shout out to, uh, Perry Smith for lining up this interview, um, with his network.

Um, I'd heard about Paul Check some years ago.

I have to say, it was one of the most interesting interviews I have ever done, um, in listening to Paul's work, getting a sense of the enigma that he is, the, the amount of information that man stores in his head, the experience he has in applying that, the way he can bring together so many different modalities.

Um, anything from Steiner's work to, um, uh, remote viewing, to you name it.

Paul seems to have, um, uh, experience with, or a really profound understanding of anything that we might put under the, you know, the, the, the reasonably vague umbrella of, of spirituality.

Um, but not just spirituality.

Also, um, mentality, you know, just, just intellect.

And also as importantly the physical.

He's a, he's so much experience in the brain, body, gut, mind, connection.

Um, it's fascinating.

So I interviewed Paul, uh, the morning after we'd actually arrived in LA in July last year.

Drive three hours south through this beautiful little farm down there, um, up in the hills and with his fam beautiful family.

Um, they've got fruit, trees, orchard, uh, pigs, goats, the whole thing.

It's such a wonderful sanctuary.

And again, you know, I turned up there and Paul had not met me before and didn't know anything about me really.

But he was very, very, um, very willing and I'm very grateful that Paul was able to spend as much time as he did.

So we actually did it over two sessions.

We did it the morning.

Uh, first morning there in, in the States.

And then, uh, the last day we had at the other end of the month in July, I drove back down there to actually interview Paul.

Um, but we ended, ended up deciding we'd finished the interview.

I, I I, I started the month before.

Um, and I'll catch up with Paul, um, another time, um, for mine.

And, and so again, very grateful for his time.

Um, Angie, who showed me around the vegetable garden of the whole, the whole farm really.

It's just mind blowing.

Um, and then I did some work with her, uh, some soul retrieval work, which is fascinating.

Just check out, um, Angie check, um, online for her soul retrieval work is, it's amazing.

We did a virtual one.

I was back in Australia probably in August, the following year, September maybe.

And she took me through a process of soul retrieval.

It was, it was beautiful.

Um, and also Penny.

Penny who's the bit of a, you know, the powerhouse behind, um, Paul's, um, I guess the tech.

He uses his podcast and, um, does all the stuff behind the scenes.

Um, she's fantastic.

We've been in touch with Penny since about helping us with our.

Podcast was earlier this year.

Um, absolute font of information, so helpful in helping me, who's fucking bit a bit of a noie with, um, tech sometimes we got there.

Couldn't get it under the wifi, couldn't connect to this, couldn't connect to that.

She just had pulled cords outta nowhere and plugged it all in.

Uh, didn't stop me from running outta batteries though.

But yeah, we got through, it was in two sessions, um, in Paul's studio or next door to his studio and his library essentially.

Um, I'm still, you know, mind blowing from the, um, from the information that, that Paul, he had, he had an answer for everything and not in a smart ass way at all.

He just, again, the way he can bring all this beautiful information together into a very, very approachable, very understandable way.

It's a real, it's a real art and real credit to Paul the way he can do that.

Um, there was something else.

Oh, spirit Jim.

Actually, I think it was the day before.

The interview.

He just launched Spirit Gym.

So that's, that was, it's not so much now 'cause it's good 12 months or more.

Um, old, his new platform for getting it, for I guess education and, and development and Paul engaging with his, his wonderful community, which gets bigger and bigger.

We also did this really cool thing when I was leaving on that second day I was down there.

Um, I did a video of Paul with his water purifying, energizing organizing structure.

He is built, which is basically a, a a a stone dome.

He's put together all sorts of different types of, um, rock volcanic, um, uh, crystal, all sorts of things.

And essentially what that does is it, it organizes, um, uh, the water and purifies it, it's incredible.

Drank some, took bottles at home.

Bottles of at home.

And fascinating to hear Paul's journey into that realm.

I mean, there's just so many different tangents we went down.

Um, but Paul, thank you very much, Angie, penny and family.

Um, just an honor and privilege to be sitting with you guys for so long.

Um, thank you for being patient with me with my tech issues and just timing of it all, and I really hope you all, all you wonderful listeners out there.

Enjoy this interview.

Fascinating interview, uh, with Paul.

Check for the regenerative journey.

Paul, check, welcome to the Regenerative Journey and welcome to your.

Office, your podcast room.

This is, no, your office is next door.

This is actually your, well, this is all, it's your library.

This is what I would call part of my office.

That's just a little bit of it.

Um, it's your art studio.

Yeah.

It's your podcasting podcast table right here.

You're, you're sitting where many amazing people have sat.

I know.

Hopefully, well, who knows?

Who knows how this, this, this, um, uh, lovely to be here.

Thank you.

I got here that we flew in, uh, last this afternoon.

Drove here this morning, sat in a little diner just down the road there.

Yeah.

Had my bot, my first bottomless cup of coffee in America, just to get me through.

Given a very rough night last night.

Yeah.

Um, Paul, and thank you so much for your time.

Appreciate Oh, my pleasure.

Appreciate.

Thank you.

Glad to share.

As you said, you've been doing this for 40 years.

You've done countless number of podcasts.

Yes.

So I appreciate the fact that, um, you, you, you're willing to put, um, put some time into me.

Well, I, I, I personally, you know, when Penny told me you were a farmer, I'm like, cool.

'cause I, I think farmers are the most underappreciated, most important people on the planet next to school teachers.

And we need to rehabilitate a lot of both, you know, but our future depends on the farmers.

And I think they need to be made national heroes in every country.

If, if they're doing organic and biodynamic and regenerative farming, otherwise they're killing the planet.

But, and I think we gotta wrap our arms around the Waldorf School teachers.

The Montessori school teachers.

And re re rehabilitate the education system because farming and education is the basis of our children's future.

And without healthy kids, you're, you're screwed.

You, you got no tomorrow.

Well, they are our future as they say.

It's a cliche, but for a reason though, cliches a you know, sometimes well, well used expressions.

True is true.

Whether, no matter how it comes from poetry to prose.

And why here, Paul, you gave me a bit of a heads up there before when I arrived in terms of, you know, some financial imperatives to be here.

Um, it feels, it feels amazing.

You, you, you, you said you took a couple of years to kind of settle on.

It took us five years to find what we were looking for.

Every place that had what we needed space wise, building wise, resource wise, um, was so far out of town.

There was no internet.

We run our whole business worldwide on the internet.

So this was the first place that we could barely afford.

It was like pushing us to the limit, but we, we realized this is exactly what we were after.

And it's where we want our kids to be.

You know, we wanted to have our own farm and we wanted to have a pond stocked with fish, which we have.

We wanted our own water source, which we put in.

We wanted enough space to, you know, live and breathe and not have neighbors looking through our windows.

And, and we wanted to, uh, have a big gym and a classroom and a guest suite for people.

'cause people come to see me from all over the world for various healing and life coaching and things like that.

And we wanted a swimming pool 'cause it's hot out here and, uh, a sauna and a cold plunge.

So we, whatever we didn't have, we put in.

So we're right on and we're on top of a mountain.

We wanted beautiful views and we got gorgeous views here.

So knowing what we wanted it, it narrowed it down a lot.

You know, to find a place, 10 to 14 acres that has all that in one place.

We've got 15,000 square foot of buildings here between the guest house, the gym, the classroom, and the main house.

So to, to find all that in one spot in a configuration that actually works, it's quite hard to do.

So five years later, like I was sharing with you, when we first saw this place in our first year of looking, it was $4 million.

And we just, that was, you know, I'm 60, I'll be 63 in August, so I didn't wanna have to keep working my ass off just to pay bills all the time.

So I said to the girls, we gotta find something that allows me, you know, to not feel like I got a fricking elephant on my back every day.

Mm-hmm.

So by the time we sold our house, Angie sold her house and we kind of pulled our money together and I think we put 500,000 down.

We ended up getting this place so that our mortgage payment on this property is actually no more than our three quarter acre, 2300 square foot house that we had in Vista.

Now the maintenance to run this place is, you know, more than most people pay for a mortgage on a big house.

But we, it's still about the same as what we were paying, except we own it and we can do what we want with it.

And it's, you know, beautiful out here.

And the water.

Tell me about that.

Do, because I, not just the fact that it's amazing.

Um, you, you sunk a well when you got here, it's, it's straight out of the mountain.

Yeah.

But you do some pretty cool stuff with it too.

Well, what I do is I build water chargers, which I've been doing for, since about 2006.

My soul guided me, interestingly, out of the blue, I bought a pile of rocks from a guy that had done a bunch of land clearing and blasted the side of a mountain out to extend his orchard.

And build a huge workshop.

So he gave me a great deal on one of these huge semi-truck load of boulders and you know, chunks of rock.

And then I bought more from a landscape supplier.

'cause I love creating things outta stone, be they patterns on the ground or rock stacks or just, you know, whatever.

And so my soul just one day said to me, I'm gonna teach you how to build a water charger so you can structure your water and make it a lot healthier for your body and for your family.

And so I just went step by step and I'll never forget the first time I tried it, I put a five gallon glass bottle of water in there.

'cause I was drinking the same Palomar mountain water.

So I was very used to it as it came from the distributor from the mountain.

And when I pulled it out and tried it, it was close to a full moon.

And the energy in the water was so high it shocked me because it was literally bubbling on my tongue, like carbonated water.

I'm like, how in the world could that happen?

And so I understand stones, but it was just such a shock to me that it worked so well and it changed the water so much from already good water to just mind blowingly good water.

And then I began tracking it.

And what I did is I even took tap water, just standard tap water, and I took some plastic bottles of water, like various brands of water.

And I would do a comparison where I'd put one in the charger and one out like a bottle of uncharged tap water on the side and then one in the charger.

And I would see what it would do to these different waters.

And it was just wild.

But one of the crazy experiences that I had in the beginning, which was quite shocking to me, I began noticing that each time I would take the water out and taste it and it's in glass bottle, like, you know, you five gallon glass bottles with thick glass.

And sometimes I would taste what tasted like nickel in it, and other times I would taste copper and other times it would taste like dirt.

Like I was just drinking dirt water.

And I'm like, how in the world is these metal flavors and these earth flavors coming through a glass bottle?

And so it was quite perplexing.

So I said, and, and I was asking this question one night, 'cause I was out at night taking it out when it was dark.

And uh, I just happened to take some out of the bottle and taste it.

And I said to my soul, what in the world is going on?

How is this happening?

'cause there's no way that this can be penetrating the glass bottle.

And my soul turned my head and the moon was shining right on me.

And I said, oh my God, it's the moon.

And my soul said, yes, it's the effects of the moon.

Because the moon's resonating with the different minerals of the soil at different stages of the moon.

So it's imprinting the energetic signature of the materials in the soil, whether it be the metals or the, or the earth itself.

And I started tracking it.

I bought a moon calendar and so I began specifically tasting it and recording the results and correlating it to what phase of the moon I was in.

And I was just blown away at how powerful the effect of the moon was working through these stones into the water and how the different stages of the moon creates a different resonance, which resonates with different minerals and metals in the earth.

And the bottles are course sitting right on the earth.

And there's a bit of a science to the construction.

But basically in, in a simple way to put it, I would couple what I would call a very yin stone.

So what I did is I bought a bunch of black Hawaiian lava.

'cause it's very, very black and very yin.

Is that, is it high in iron?

What is, no, it's not that.

It's really the fact that it's a black stone.

So because it's black and because of the construction of the minerals in it, yin, anything that's yin draws energy into its center and swells.

So when a woman gets pregnant, the sperm meets the egg, and then inside of her body you go through cell mitosis.

And each cell doubles.

So one becomes two, two becomes four, four becomes 8, 8, 16, 16, 32.

That happens 56 times.

And you got a whole human body.

So you're seeing that the woman's uterus is swelling from a central point outward.

If you put a sponge in water, it draws water into itself and swells.

That's yin energy.

Okay, so a yin stone acts like a sponge, and it sucks light.

It sucks energy, it sucks environmental energies into it, but it saturates and just like a sponge will drip when it's oversaturated.

So I couple that with a very yang stone, and I went and bought a bunch of Mexican crystals, which if you polish them up, would look like a crystal you'd wear on your neck.

But because they came right out of the ground, they were a lot cheaper.

And I got some of them that are, you know, 300 pounds.

So a lot of these stones in my charger, 350, 300 plus pounds.

And so I built a foundation where I go one black lava or other type of stone that's very yin.

It pulls energy in coupled with a yang, a crystal.

And I have several different types of crystals, like ora verity, which is a green crystal, which harmonizes with the heart chakra.

And so I would set these things up and I got the idea from my studies of anatomy, the nodes of Ranvir.

Function very much like that, where you get a positive negative polarity shift and that causes energy to travel along a nerve.

So I just was asking my soul, would you want me to do this?

Would this work?

And I had the idea based on how the nervous system works, and I know 'cause I've studied stones and, and stone formations for many, many years.

I got piles of books on it.

And I studied Philip Callahan's work and Victor Berger's work, and Arden Anderson's work and many of the native tribal, uh, information on how they used water and stones.

So I'd already had enough knowledge to know kind of what I was working with, but because crystals are pizo electric, what happens when you start stacking stones on top of each other, the weight is pressing on the crystal.

So it produces an electric charge, a pizo electric charge.

And so by the time you get a, you know, a couple of tons of these things stacked on top of each other, when the sunlight hits it, then it gets sucked into the yin stones and pushed into the yang stones.

So you get a pull, push, pull, push.

So it actually acts like a generator.

And because it's built into a circle that progressively goes to a cone at the top, then you'll see on the charger, I built an antenna on the top out of pure crystal.

So the top of it's highly, positively charged.

The earth is strongly negatively charged.

So that sets up the polarity differential.

Then you have a positive negative polarity alternating through the stones.

And because they're in a circle, you have a circuit on top of a circuit on top of a circuit that goes from a large base with big stones to progressively smaller stones that are very negative on the ground to very positive at the top.

So you got a differential between the ground and the top of the charger, and you got a differential between the stones and the levels because each level comes in slightly.

So you've got a different type of resonance.

So if you think of every stone like a music, like a musician in an orchestra, each stone affects the water in a unique way.

If I change any stone, it changes the effects on the water.

So what I do used to do, for example, if I was working with someone who had something like leukemia, I would put a bunch of bloodstone into the charger and would imprint the water with the energy of a bloodstone, which is excellent for any kind of blood basic disease.

If I had somebody, for example, that had cognitive difficulties, I could put, uh, amethyst or anything that helps resonate with the brain better and that would affect the water.

So I custom built the whole water charger, just letting my soul guide me, and I bought $10,000 worth of stones additional to probably, oh god, you know, about 500 stones are in the charger.

So the first.

250 were stones that I had collected from around the property that I'd already collected from my other properties.

And I had 'em shipped over here.

It took me three months to build it because it's such hard manual labor.

'cause I have to hold these big stones by hand while my gardener and handyman spreads the mud, the cement.

Because if you just drop the stone, it'll just slide off.

'cause the mud acts like a lubricant.

So I had to handhold each of these things.

And sometimes I'd have to sit there for two or three minutes till the cement would set up enough that when I let go of the stone, it wouldn't just fall down and I have to build it on a slight angle so that it cones up.

Yeah.

So I could only do about 90 minutes before I was physically just exhausted and I didn't go to the gym for three months every day I just went out and me and Freddy just worked and worked.

And we built a beautiful stone floor inside that's anchored right to the ground and we put drainage underneath it so that water wouldn't pool up there.

'cause we get heavy rains here in the wintertime.

And so by the time I got to the top, it's, it's big enough.

I can put about 70, probably 75 gallon water bottles.

I can get 20 people in there.

And I use it as a toning chamber as well.

So as the sun and the moon changes, it affects the energy of the water charger.

And because you've got probably, I would guess, 12 to 15 tons of stone in there.

So the crystals in the bottom are getting a lot of pressure on 'em.

And as the environment fluctuates and the earth goes through its fluctuations, it's causing that.

I mean, I can hook you.

I'll let you touch it.

You'll see it.

It feels like a giant heartbeat going through challenge.

And so it's spinning the water molecules at the molecular level, programming the information, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the local environment right into the water.

So it structures it, but what it does puts you into a real time resonance with the earth, the sun, the moon, and the stars.

I mean, every piece of every photon that's reaching this water charger from anywhere in the cosmos is going into that water.

So you're actually drinking something.

That would be the equivalent of being out in nature and drinking out of a stream.

Except now I can take super clean water, bottle it so I can put it in the house and glass bottles to keep it pure.

And I can keep the same charge going into it that it would be getting out in nature, coming from an artesian well, for example.

But I can keep that water very vital and very alive.

And as we were discussing before the podcast, I can also take water at select phases of the moon.

For example, if someone has a lot of toxicity, I can give them new moon water and new moon water is very, very empty, so it acts like distilled water, even though it's got lots of minerals in it.

When you drink it, it feels like it's going right through your tongue.

It literally feels like it's penetrating right through your tissues.

And full moon water, for example, somebody who's depressed or has chronic fatigue has so much energy in it from the full moon.

It's literally like the opposite polarity.

Now, if you gave that water to someone that was manic or, or um, hyper, it would probably be quite stimulating to them.

But interestingly, I have bio geometry set up throughout the house to basically take all the electromagnetic frequencies and turn 'em into the frequency called BG three, which is bio geometry green.

It's a negative green, which Dr.

Kareem traveled the world to all the major healing sites and famous water sources.

And he found that they were all emitting the same BG three frequency.

So he developed technology that can take any signal of any type from wifi to 5G to electromagnetic pollution coming through the walls, and it neutralizes it at this BG three frequency.

So the interesting thing that happened is when I started bringing my water inside the house, I noticed that it was much harder to feel the moon cycles in it.

And I talked to him about that.

I said, you know, it's flattening the water out.

He said, no, it's not actually flattening it, it's nesting it inside, he said, so the same frequencies are there, but they're being nested in a BG three wave.

Wow.

So now you're not only getting the benefits of the moon cycle, but you're also getting the healing benefits of the BG three energy.

And the BG three will take any frequency that's too high and bring it down and any frequency that's too low and bring it up.

So it produces this very, very smooth neutral frequency that's very healing to the body.

And people drink city tap water, which is dead water.

Mm.

You know, it's, it's what it's classically called bulk water.

It's unstructured, it's been sitting for God knows how long in straight pipes.

Um, and, and, and God knows what's in those pipes.

A lot of water, you know, goes through sewage treatment centers so their people are drinking water.

That was somebody else's piss and shit a couple of days ago.

Does it lie?

Do that la All the major cities do.

Really?

Oh hell yeah.

Not that I drink tap water.

Yeah, no.

Yeah.

All, almost every major city's got sewage treatment centers and they take the water, filter it and put it right back into the city water systems.

So you're drinking residues of everybody's medical drugs and every damn thing going through them.

Paul, I have so many questions just about water.

Alright, go for it.

No.

Well, what, what I want to do is, um.

As is the name of my podcast, the Regenerative Journey?

Yeah.

It's about your regenerative journey.

Sure.

Well, well, you can come back.

Can we, can we talk about, um, your camera disappeared, just so you know.

Yeah, no, thank you.

It does that.

Um, just because just time's out.

I'll have to sort that out.

Um, it's still running though, Paul.

Let's get to your life because Yeah.

What what what I find fascinating about, well, my guess is their life and the, the, their, their journey, their, um, the highs, their lows, the challenges, and which are always, that's a long story.

I know.

Well, that's it.

And we've only got limited time.

I understand.

So we might have to pick it up at some other time and some other place.

But can we, can we, can we just go back to, um, let's cover as much as we can.

Yeah.

You just, the time we have.

Tell me, and then if, if we go on, on a, if we depart your journey and head into a direction, that's absolutely fine.

'cause given your background and your, your vast knowledge and just looking at your library back here, it's just, um, uh, there's so much that I'd love to ask you, but let's start day one.

Where did Paul check turn up in the world?

I was born in Los Angeles, August the 24th, 1961 at 6:05 AM and, uh, born in the same hospital my father was, and I think my grandfather too.

And, um, my mother had me when she just turned 16.

Um, my father was a competitive dancer and a a, a professional drag racer, and he ended up running away with dance partners and leaving my mom.

And so by the time my mother was 18, she had three kids and he took off and left her and my father drowned when I was eight.

And my mother remarried to a man that used to be a, a special and work in the special effects department for the Hollywood, uh, for Universal Studios.

And he had a degree in agriculture.

So my parents decided they wanted to leave LA and we moved to Idaho.

We had a pig farm for three years.

Then they decided they wanted to immigrate to Canada and specialize in the production of black wool.

So my father began selectively buying Rams and UES that were known to produce Black offspring because as a huge woolen trade amongst the HA Indians for the tourist industry on Vancouver Island.

So my parents went through what was called the homesteading program.

They applied to be landed immigrants.

They got accepted.

We moved from Fruitland, Idaho.

To Cottage Grove, Oregon, where we had a sheep farm for a little, I don't know, maybe six months or so.

And my father continued selectively buying Rams and ues that had a high incidence of producing black offspring.

And we immigrated to Canada with a whole cattle truck full of these carefully selected animals.

And my parents bought 142 acre farm on Vancouver Island in the middle of the island in Courtney, British Columbia.

And we raised sheep.

My father bought a woolen mill and we filled an entire large barn with a woolen factory.

Uh, so we had round a hundred to 120 sheep at different times at any given time.

We had horses, pigs, chickens, cows.

We milked our own cows, goats.

We raised and sold produce.

We sold firewood.

So we had a fully functional, we had horses.

I rode in the rodeo as a kid.

I raced motocross when I was young and was sponsored by Honda.

I raced stock cars, I drag raced.

Um, I, I was, became a father when I just turned 18.

I left school when I was, I I did about a month of the 10th grade and couldn't take it anymore 'cause they would never answer my questions.

So I like, what the fuck, why get, why bother?

And then I, and I became a father.

So I had to go out into the work world.

Uh, so.

I took my knowledge of being on the farm and, and you know, my father was just a slave driver of a man.

He had no concept of a child.

So from the time I could reach the pedals on the tractor when I was eight years old, we all were task with adult responsibilities and, and, you know, so it was like a lot of hard work.

Was that a happy talk?

No, no.

My father was unfortunately a very, very violent man and a lot of trauma.

My brother committed suicide and, um, yeah, not a pretty picture at all.

Um, put me into a, quite a cri, all of us were in a survival crisis a lot, a lot of PTSD would, would be the way to put it.

But I learned a lot and he made me tough.

Um, what, what did, what were some of the lessons that, or, or I guess it was a survival lessons, was it it was just, yeah, like there was just no concept of a child.

I mean, my dad's rule was the animals eat before you eat.

And if you ever got caught forgetting or not feeding or watering animals or doing your chores, you would get the shit beat outta you.

And there was hospital visits involved and broken bones and, um, things that I won't even say 'cause it would hurt people even to hear them.

It was like being in a prison camp, really.

But, um, you know, I learned how to work hard.

My father.

Forced me to think, you know, when there was problems to be solved, he would say, fix it or else, and that meant beg, borrow, steal, go to a library, use a phone book, do whatever you gotta do, but you better fucking figure it out 'cause it's gonna hurt if you don't.

So I learned to think on my feet and move quick.

And I was also, I started boxing at 12 because I hated my father so much.

I knew I was gonna have to defend myself and might even have to save somebody's life.

So I got into martial arts and boxing at 12 and that later became very important and my life.

'cause that's what ultimately led to me becoming a holistic health practitioner.

And that's what, how my career got started.

So when I left home at 16, I went to work full-time, did all sorts of different jobs.

Um, you know, Paul Jr.

Came when I had just turned 18.

Um, but then there was a crisis of a lack of work on Vancouver Island due to an economic downturn.

The unemployment rates were like approaching, like, I think they were 18% and the logging camps had all shut down, which was the main industry.

And I worked in the logging industry and the, uh, water well and exploration drilling industry at the time.

But, uh.

What happened was the Japanese had been buying up massive amounts of wood from, from the logging companies on Vancouver Island.

And what we didn't know is that they were saving it and they had such more efficient milling systems that they could mill that wood and sail it back at way less cost.

So all of a sudden, the entire lumber market was flooded with all this Japanese lumber that was excellent quality, but way cheaper.

So nobody was buying lumber anymore.

So the whole logging industry went into a complete collapse, which then took everything with it because that was the main industry.

So being an American citizen, I said, well, I gotta, I gotta do something.

I can't starve, I gotta feed my family.

Um, and I had a friend who had left to Florida and got work on a fishing boat, and I just, out of the blue said, I gotta call him and see if there's any work done there.

He said, Paul, you could get to work down here and no problem.

So I sold my race car, sold my spare engine, sold $30,000 worth of tools and stuff I'd collected in my racing and mechanic career, and took everything and got a job in two hours working on a, a, a fishing boat in Florida.

And then moved my family to uh, uh, the marathon to Marathon in Florida and the Florida Keys.

The fishing industry turned out to be a rip off.

The, the way they run it there is they just screw the hand.

So I found after the first six months, I was basically working for $2 and 50 cents an hour.

I'm like, this is bullshit.

And it's hard fucking work.

So, and I went to work as a marine mechanic because I was trained as a mechanic.

I went to trade school when I was young in Canada 'cause they had a program that you could get government support.

So when I was 18, I went through trade school to be, uh, to get my certificate in automotive and industrial repair.

So I had all these skills as a mechanic.

Plus I was racing cars and motorcycles when I was young.

So I knew a lot about mechanical work.

And so I went to work.

Fortunately the, there was a great big, huge marina right next to, I bought a trailer there in a trailer park, like a 35 foot trailer when I moved there.

And so I literally walked across the street, I mean, right across the fence.

And I worked for the sky who owned this huge marina called Bonefish Harbor Marina.

But I got so sick of working in the bilges of boats, just the smell of rotten fish and hot and sweaty in the Florida keys and engines running in tight spaces.

I like, I can't fucking do this, I gotta get outta here.

And the guy that owned the marina was a fighter pilot in Vietnam.

And one day I got a card in the mail that said, uncle Sam wants you, and it was an invitation to go take the testing to enter the military.

So I went to him and said, what do you think of this?

And he said, Paul, the secret is, see how you do on your entrance exams.

Then ask them what is the school that would be the longest that costs the government the most to pay for?

Because that will determine how much you're worth when you get out.

So that's exactly what I did.

I, I could only qualify to go in the Army 'cause I didn't have a high school diploma.

They were the only one that would take me.

And I scored so high on the entrance exams.

They said If you go to school for two years and get an associate's degree, we will train you as a pilot.

And I said, I'm not fucking gonna go to school for two years.

I hate school.

What's the best job you can give me that costs you the most money to train me?

And it turned out to be what's called a 68 J one P, which is a year of electronic school to learn how to repair weapon systems on Cobra helicopters.

Then you're trained as the co-pilot, as the gunner.

So if the co-pilot gets killed, you have to go run the weapon systems 'cause you're the expert on weapon systems.

So I joined the military, went through all the basic training, went to school for a year in electronics.

Then I went to my training to be a paratrooper and my battle plan was if I don't like electronics, 'cause I'd already done a fair bit of electronics work and I knew it wasn't my favorite thing 'cause I worked on car electronics and various other systems, homes and everything like that.

But I knew.

When I went in, I said to the recruiter, what do people get paid when they leave the Army with this training?

And that was 83 when I went in.

He said, right now Bell Helicopter is hiring from the United States military and paying them 89,000 years starting pay.

Well that's about 180,000 a year right now.

Um, so I said, I'm gonna do it then.

'cause I wanted to have a good future.

My parents always had money problems.

So I just, like, I did not want my life to be limited by money problems.

So I made a promise to myself.

I would do whatever I had to do to make enough money that it wasn't the problem.

So I could live the way I wanted to live and have the toys I wanted to have and let my kids have a, you know, a life that wasn't like, you know, like I grew up, we could only wash our clothes once a week.

We, we, you know, my friends used to laugh at me 'cause I always came to school with cow shit on my pants and, you know, we, we had water problems because the neighbor drilled the well and we, we couldn't get water 'cause they sucked our, well, it was just so we could only wash clothes once in a while.

Parents didn't have a lot of money, they just barely were making it by, with the farm and everything else.

And so I said, I'm going for it.

But I knew inside of myself I may not like electronics.

So I said, I gotta come up with plan B.

And as a kid I used to watch Wide World of Sports and I used to see the Army boxing team fighting on wide world of sports.

And I said, aha.

They're centered in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

So I said to the recruiter, what do I have to do to get to Fort Bragg, North Carolina in case I want to join the army boxing team?

Thank you.

And he said, you gotta become a paratrooper.

I said, no problem.

And my stepfather was a smoke jumper in the fire department.

So I already kind of had a sense of what parachuting was all about.

And so I did.

I ended up at 82nd Airborne Division, and sure enough, I hated the electronics work because once I graduated from school at the top of my frigging class with a 97 point something grade average, after 40 some odd tests, once you get to your unit, they only let you do things by rank.

And so all I got to do was take access panels off.

So I spent a year learning how to work on every part of this helicopter, and now I'm the low man on the totem pole.

So I'm a Philip Screwdriver technician, and I'm a guy that can build fucking race cars from the ground up.

I'm like, I can't handle this.

And they hardly ever exercised.

And I'm like, I gotta get outta here.

So long story made short, the only way you can get on the army boxing team, which at that time was the third ranked boxing amateur team in the world, is to beat somebody on the team.

So I scheduled a tryout.

I went down, I took out one of their welterweights in the second round, and I became a fighter on the boxing team.

And I also represented the Army in triathlon.

So I was fighting on the boxing team while also representing the Army in triathlon.

And I won the Army Triathlon was the Army's representative in 1986 at Hilton Head, South Carolina for the USTS national Championships.

And then my company commander said, Paul, I'm betting a lot of money on you, so if you wanna stop boxing and just keep winning all these military competitions, you don't have to box anymore.

And so I went and told the boxing team I was leaving to train for triathlon full time.

And they said, don't do that.

We'll give you the job as the trainer because you're the only guy that can fight hard from bell to bell.

And we need our guys to, because they keep running out of energy.

Well, they're doing a lot of stupid shit I won't go into, but, so I took the job as the trainer and worked with an osteopathic physician who was a team doctor, implemented the first sports massage therapy program in the whole army.

Took over their nutrition program, which I'd learned from my grandfather and my mother and studying, and our boxing team became the most successful it had ever been.

And I then was the trainer of the United States International team, which is the best fighters from the Army, Navy, air Force, and Marines, and out of my boxing team.

In the 1988 Olympics, all of them had to fight their way onto the Olympic team.

11 of my boxers made it to the Olympics in 88.

11 of 12, wasn't it?

11 of 12, yeah.

Yep.

And so when it came time to get outta the Army, I surveyed the whole world for the best place to go study sports, massage therapy, because I wanted to mix athletic training, weightlifting, postural correction, and sports massage therapy to help athletes perform better.

And it turned out the best school that I could find anywhere in the world was right here in Encinitas, California.

So I immigrated, I moved out of North Carolina to here, went to sports massage therapy training, continued my training, became a holistic health practitioner in the state of California, which is a license you can get, which it takes more training.

And I built my practice and I never looked back.

How much of that, um, those years of your experience there would you say was intuition or kind of your innate knowing or as opposed to training school, you know?

Well, working it out, my mother joined the self-realization fellowship when I was 12, which was the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

'cause prior to that, she was in Christian science.

And I, I had a tremendous disdain for Christianity as a child because one, it.

It was very scary.

And two, they would never answer my questions.

And three, I could not reconcile a God that's supposed to love you, but it'll burn you in hell for almost anything.

And so I, I, I got really nervous that adults were so gullible that they believed in this shit and I knew something was wrong.

When they wouldn't answer my questions, they would just tell me to stop talking.

Or you got two ears in one mouth.

You're supposed to listen twice as much as you talk, or children shouldn't be silent and shit like that, which just pissed me off as a kid.

I just like, well, this is crazy.

Why can't I, why will no one answer my questions?

But when my mother joined the Self-Realization Fellowship, which is the teachings of Paramahansa, the monks were unbelievably wise and loving, and they answered all my questions and I learned to meditate and I learned a whole bunch of stuff.

And I found that the eastern approach to religion was just radically way more healthy and free and loving and godlike than any of the Abrahamic religions.

And it was a shock to me.

I'm like, why would anybody go to a Christian Church or a Jewish temple or study the Islamic faith when you've got Hinduism?

It's just mind blowingly better.

And so then I went to summer camp with the monks.

And your age.

What about that?

I was, uh, I was 12 at that time, so I began a regular meditation practice and I started having a lot of wild spiritual experiences.

And due to the stress in my life, at 12, I started having some, what first was quite scary.

I started having outof body experiences where I would be laying in bed and all of a sudden I'd be floating outta my body.

And it, and I learned to control it.

And I started going around the farm in my astral body, which I call my light body.

And I would purposely go see if I could find things.

And then I would get up in the morning and go check to see if they were there.

And I realized I wasn't going crazy and I was afraid to tell my parents.

'cause you know, God knows what would happen.

And so every single time, whatever I found, even sometimes, you know, a quarter of a mile out in the woods, I'd find a chainsaw.

My dad left out there while he was cutting trees down.

And, and so I realized somehow I'm able to actually leave my body and be conscious and objectively identify things, which made me realize that I was much more than my body.

And then I spent a lot of time with the monks.

And when I was 15, I went to summer camp and then I went deeper into my training with the monks.

And that stabilized me a lot, helped me get over a lot of my childhood pain and things that I hadn't resolved in me that were quite bad traumas.

And then jumping forward to the year 2000.

Um, I was already quite successful in my, my profession.

Um, and there was a conference being held in London called The Field Put on by Lynn McTaggart.

And Edgar Mitchell was the keynote speaker, but they offered a one day course in remote viewing by the director of remote viewing for the CIA.

And so I said I gotta go there because I gotta see if I am good at remote viewing because I intu intuitively felt what I was doing was actually remote viewing since I was a kid.

So there was 750 people in the training program.

It was in a huge auditorium.

And two, my instructors were with me that I, that were working for me at the time.

And the way they would do it is they would put a picture in an envelope that you couldn't see up on a bulletin board, and you had to use the techniques that they were teaching you and then draw a picture of what was in the envelope and then they would unveil the picture on a big screen so you could compare your drawing.

Well, the first thing I realized, I didn't like their technique 'cause I intuitively sensed that wasn't nearly as good as what I had learned from just my experience.

And my instructors kept going, what the hell?

How are you?

'cause I was drawing exactly what was in the envelopes.

So at the end they had a contest and basically the instructor said, tell me what happened to me on July.

Such and such date at this time.

And so I just asked my soul, take me to that time and place in his life, and I found myself hovering in my light body, my spirit body outside of a large glass building, like a giant corporate type building.

And then I was drawn to the window and I looked through and I saw him on an, uh, a gurney with all sorts of equipment hooked to him and doctors and nurses moving very quickly.

And I realized he was having some kind of a medical emergency and I could see that they were monitoring his heart and they were moving fast.

Like you could tell it was like an emergency situation.

So I'm like, I knew intuitively I was gonna win the contest.

And uh, so I waited and waited until everybody told him he was in caves with dragons and all sorts of silly shit.

And so he said, okay, who thinks they know?

And I jumped up.

He said, you the soldier looking guy in the back.

And I said, at that time, on that day, I saw you in a large glass building, which I later realized was a hospital.

And you were hooked up to a lot of emergency sensors.

I saw them monitoring your heart, I saw them injecting you, and I saw them moving very quickly, like they were preparing you for surgery.

And he turned white.

He literally was shocked.

He didn't think anyone was gonna get it.

And so he didn't say that I had won.

So I had to listen to people say all this crazy shit for two hours.

And finally he says, you the soldier guy at the back, you're the winner.

And then he said, I had an uh, I had a, a heart attack and I was going into emergency heart surgery.

And so since then I've actually found, uh, three, three on three different times I've found people that were lost and nobody could find, including the National Guard for people that got ahold of me.

And so the reason I'm telling you that is because throughout my life I've always had this inner sense of connection to my soul, which is God within you, consciousness within you.

And so I've just followed that inner guide and that's how I invented so many things.

That's how I figured out how to build water chargers.

That's how I knew to bring the Swiss ball to the exercise industry.

That's how I built the primal pattern system.

I've always specialized in challenge cases.

So the way I built my business in San Diego is I just went to doctors and therapists all over the place and said, send me the toughest patients you got and there's nothing to lose if I don't make progress with 'em.

'cause you're not making progress with 'em anyhow.

And I offered to do evaluations for any doctor or any of their medical staff for free and their first program for free.

So in no time, I had a huge practice full of doctors and their wives and their children and.

Basically I got complicated cases, so I just used my training for meditation and calming myself and I would connect to the soul of the individual and ask it to guide me.

And I would find out all sorts of stuff about people that nobody had ever looked into.

And I became extremely successful at dealing with medical failures.

And I had athletes coming to see me from all over the world.

You know, no one can figure out.

I brought three of the world's greatest athletes outta medical retirement, including one of your own Ricky Stewart.

He was forced into medical retirement and the Canva Raiders begged me to see if I could do anything with, I brought him out and he played like, I dunno, five more seasons after that.

I brought Gary Roberts, had a medical retirement when he was forced into retirement by the Calgary Flames, uh, surgeons.

And I brought one of the best horse racers in the world outta retirement, Richard Dunwoody, who had had 40 bad falls racing horses, and he lost all the muscles in his left arm.

He had a severe nerve injury and neck pathology that nobody could figure out.

And after I rehabbed him and reconditioned him, he went back and won the Triple Crown and wrote about me in his autobiography.

And there's a picture he sent me in the gym there.

If you see, you can see it in there.

And so I basically started the Czech Institute in 1995 because so many of the elite doctors and therapists were saying, you know, people really need to learn what it is you do.

'cause nobody thinks this way.

And so I was integrating diet, lifestyle, mental, emotional posture, corrective exercise, clinical massage therapy.

I'd also gotten trained in neuromuscular therapy.

So I spent, I went through all their training to become a clinical massage therapist as well, which is very detailed work.

And so I mixed all these together and that was really what the Check Institute was based on.

And I just traveled all over the world looking for the best doctors and therapists at key things that I thought I needed to know based on what kept coming at me with patients.

So if I had a lot of neurological problems, I would go study the experts on these problems if there was a lot of spinal pathology.

I studied that.

I did five cadaver dissections, uh, at various universities.

And I just made a, a, a life of, you know, I've collected all these books in 41 years, and how many there?

5,000.

There's o there's over 5,000 and I've probably studied 2000 of 'em cover to cover and hundreds and hundreds more as select research, research reference material.

And, um, so the answer to your question, and a long way of saying it is I've always had this inner sense since I learned from the monks how to meditate and how to trust my inner self.

Later I learned that was my soul and made contact with my own soul.

And then, then I realized what the soul was and how to work with it.

And I've been perfecting that for many years.

And now I teach training programs on that, which is a lot of what I do in my New Spirit gym program is teach people how to guide, get guided from their inner self.

And that's helped me with, you know, I, I'm an inventor.

I've got multiple patents, I've invented lots of things.

I invented calibrated instruments for orthopedic assessment.

I invented a hydrotherapy device for correcting muscle imbalances in legs.

I invented a device for another device for measuring structural changes in the body.

'cause there's measurements that nobody was taking that I needed to, to, to do proper rehabilitation.

Um, yeah, so my program's multidisciplinary, so I got doctors of every kind, therapists of every kind, trainers, strength coaches, massage therapists, and we've had over 63,000 people come through the institute since I started at 95.

Just going back to your assessments before, you were saying that you would correct me if I'm wrong, essentially get in touch with your patient's soul.

Yeah.

And then was.

You know, the, the, the body keeps the score.

The, and the, yeah, the, the, the soul that you connect with their soul.

Yeah.

Was it telling you what the, because it already knew.

It just mm-hmm.

The, the, the, the, the men, the mental, the mental state, the physical.

They didn't know how to do it though.

The body did, and you were just like the conduit to say, Hey, yeah, you spoke the language.

You know, I was talking to their body, which is the subconscious mind.

But I was really connecting to the soul because I have a very comprehensive system of assessment.

Uh, I mean, you know, I've got some of the top doctors in the world that have studied with me.

My, the director of my education system, Matthew Walden is an osteopathic physician, a naturopathic position, and a super smart guy, famous for his journal articles.

He is an editor for the Journal of Body Work and Movement there.

He studied with me for 27 years.

So the people that were coming to me, you know, a lot of 'em, very elite athletes, had such complicated cases.

Some of them had 30 or 40 significant things wrong with them at once.

So with people not having millions of dollars to go see 40 doctors at once, and knowing that their cases were too complex to simply be physical issues alone, I learned that the best way to take the data that I'd gathered and figure out what was the real etiology behind this.

Was to connect to that person's soul.

And oftentimes I would have visions of them being traumatized as children or them hurting other people and, and holding that pain inside of them.

But the, the number one most common problem, believe it or not, that I found consistently was beliefs about God.

That were actually pitting them up against their own instincts and their own sense of freedom and causing them to do things like stay in marriages that they've been unhappy in for 20 years because they believed that till death do you part.

So I found the majority of what was actually causing people's illnesses and diseases and chronic structural pain was these root beliefs that led to behaviors and choices that were ultimately causing them to have a lot of addictions to medicate the stress of not being able to heal their belief system or their trauma.

And so I studied world religion extensively.

I studied philosophy, I studied psychology.

I studied, I've been studying Jung's work for 30 plus years, 35 years.

Same with Steiner.

I studied Steiner extensively.

I studied Wilbur extensively.

I studied Hara, Enoch Khan, a Sufi master.

I studied many of the greatest mystics, healers, teachers, therapists, and doctors, and I developed a very deep understanding of mysticism and religion and world religion.

I studied all of Houston Smith's work, who is considered to be the greatest expert of world religion that ever lived.

And through my own work, my own spiritual practices, my own work with plant medicines, I was trained to use plant medicines therapeutically.

And I've conducted probably a thousand healing ceremonies with plant medicines in my career and done many, many very deep shamonic journeys where I was able to have deep spiritual experiences and get answers to, to really deep questions.

And so what that gave me the ability to do was I had a structure and a system of how the psyche grows and develops, and what happens when one's traumatized, or what happens when one has a belief system that's limiting them.

And I have a deep understanding of the spirit and soul.

So I'm able to sense and speak to the soul, find out what they're here to do, but why they're not doing it.

And whenever the soul is not doing what it came to the world to do, it creates tremendous stress inside of them that often produces a neurosis because the patient feels a deep sense of they're going in the wrong, wrong direction and that life is not meaningful for them, which leads to a lot of addictions and a lot of.

Um, emotional pain that gets projected out in relationships and leads to a lot of trauma and relationships and a lot of broken marriages and divorces and kids being left alone and isolated because parents can't get along.

And so I was actually able consistently to identify what was the real issue that was leading to the eating disorder or to the irritable bowel syndrome, or the chronic low back pain, or the visual disorder or the, um, heart condition or the burned out adrenal glands, or the combination of 20 of these things at once and guide people and help them by becoming a translator for them and showing them, for example, that you cannot read the Bible literally and understand that it's impossible to do.

You have to have a depth of knowledge of the language, of the culture, the meaning of those words at that time, the symbology.

And so.

I would actually show them what these beliefs of theirs really meant, which would be very shocking.

And then I would pull out books by mystics from their own religions and say, okay, let me show you what Meister Eckhart has to say about, let's show you what Giro Donno Bruno has to say.

Let me show you what St.

Hildegard of Benjen had to say about these issues.

And when you see what the most enlightened people from that reli, it is night and day.

And people would realize they'd been living a, a, a confused interpretation of religious ideas programmed into them by very unenlightened people that gave them a very scary view of God.

And to the degree your ideas about God put you out of touch with love, your life will be very painful to live because you are going to have all these beliefs that you think God wants and is and demands of you, when really it's not true at all.

So over the course of my career, my orientation went from physical training and high performance training and acute injury rehab to a deep study of psychology and philosophy and religion and world religion and mysticism and shamanism.

And I used my abilities to communicate with the soul to say, what's really going on?

And oftentimes I would see very traumatic wounds in childhood.

And unfortunately, I probably have had over 50 clients that were sexually abused by Christian pastors, preachers and, and, and, uh, um, priests.

Uh, so I would see this in their energy field and their soul would say, this person's suffering from this sexual trauma that's never been healed.

And they'd often been afraid to say anything about it.

And when they did, they often got ridiculed and punished even by their parents for talking about it.

Um, now I could tell you a thousand things that, that I've identified in people.

But in essence, what a Czech professional is trained to do is to really get to the core of what's going on and then have enough knowledge of these things to help you have a much broader perspective of the belief that you're acting out, usually unconsciously.

'cause most of these things are programmed into children before they even have any ego to have any discernment, but they act in the unconscious.

So this is why Yung says, your unconscious will continue to meet you on the outside, in the events of your life until you meet your unconscious on the inside, and you will call it fate.

And that's exactly what I was dealing with.

A lot of people that were faded by the pain and confusion in their unconscious mind, guiding and directing their life from behind the scenes.

But not realizing it.

They were just basically externalizing beliefs that were programmed into them by other people that were very unenlightened.

So they had a stor, they basically created a story based on their experience.

Yes.

Whether it's in church, I mean, I guess a lot of, for those who weren't exposed to a religion, they still were exposed to, it's all the same.

The home environment, the school environment, the whatever, the, well, not only that, look, there's two things I'll say to you there.

We live in a Christian culture, so I don't care if you're an atheist or an agnostic, you're being programmed into Christianity.

Everywhere you go, all you gotta do is look at the names of the streets, the names of the holidays you're in.

You're swimming in a Christian culture.

So someone, someone who tries to tell me that they're not affected by Christianity is like a fish trying to tell me that it's not wet.

And I go, oh yeah, just gimme five minutes with you.

I'll ask you a few key questions.

And then the other issue is, and J pointed this out better than anybody, when he addressed the issue of atheism, he said something profound.

He said, for something to be rejected, it must first be real.

Mm.

So what I did is I studied atheism and I found a number of studies by psychologists and what they showed, the most common denominator amongst atheists is a traumatic relationship with their father.

So now all you gotta do is go look at the Christian God.

And it is a very traumatic father figure.

So their unconscious rejection of God is the rejection of an of a abusive father figure.

But no one on this planet does not come with the urge to figure out who they are and what they are and how they got here.

The problem is, is they end up turning to materialism 'cause that's the only thing they have left.

But you can never make sense of life from a materialistic viewpoint.

'cause quite simply, matter cannot organize itself.

I say, how long do you have to stand next to a pile of rocks before a Rolex watch a toaster or a or A-A-B-B-M-W jumps out of it.

Well, you know longer than God has.

So in alchemy, they show you that the fire and the air elements are volatile and the earth and the water elements are passive.

If you go into Steiner's teaching the fire element and the air element is the domain of Lucifer and the water and earth elements of the domain of Araman and Christ is the mediating force between them.

So we've all got these three forces inside of us, and really the spiritual path is learning to identify the monic influence of the materialistic influence with the Lucifer influence, the desire to create illusions and get out of the world with the Christ impulse, which says you need.

To use the Lucifer influence and the Monic influence in a balanced way, because they're basically forces in the psyche.

But if you don't know how to manage them, they will take you over and your life will be exactly what you see in the world right now.

And if you can get that balance, you stand in your I am you stand in your I am.

And you know, you're a conscious co-creator with God and you're a citizen of the universe, and that you have ultimate sovereignty.

And there's nothing to be afraid about with death because we all die and we've died many, many, many times.

Yogananda says it takes about 6 billion reincarnations through the kingdom of nature to get your first human body.

He says there's about 60 billion, billion souls at any given time waiting for a human body.

And if you knew how fortunate you were to have one, you'd be dancing in the streets.

So we all have an unconscious knowledge of the truth, but it takes real spiritual development to kind of awaken to the truth of yourself and to heal the broken parts of yourself that are limiting your perception.

'cause the wounds distort the lens of perception.

And so that's the human journey, you know?

And, and, and the point I'm making is.

You can't resolve the paradox of reality as an atheist because you get to matter and you're stuck.

And you can't even do it with Big Bang cosmology because you have to say, well, where did the Big Bang come from?

So you end up at a impasse.

And so having studied cosmology for years, as I show in my New Spirit Jim book series, when I did my research, there were 37 theories of everything.

And not one of them is more objectively valid than the other one, because none of them can say, where did the energy and the information come from to create the cosmos that they have in their theory?

So ultimately what you see is mythology, religion and science are all qual footing.

The difference is the scientists convince you that they're right and it's objective.

The religious people say, well, science is wrong, but they can't prove their origins either.

So we're all in this beautiful, mystical, mysterious place called myth.

And so what is a myth?

It's a story that tells itself and here we all are.

And the problem is, is you're gonna live your story out.

And if you don't learn how to edit it and get clear on what you want, you're gonna be somebody's patient or you're gonna be dead.

Tell me, um, and doing Spirit, Jim, which we, I, I want to get to is a way I'm sure for one to, um, connect with one's soul.

Yeah.

Is there a, without giving it all away, is there a way you could never give it all away?

It's if you knew how much, it's a 15 volume set of books.

It's 3000 pages and there's about 60 hours of training that's already, I've already filmed it for the members when they sign up.

That would take you probably a year to do the training and the lessons that I've built, plus I do weekly, um, I do a weekly presentation, so I guide people one at a time through the lesson so they can ask me questions.

And I take anybody in the membership that wants help with anything in their life, from building their career to healing their diseases, to giving over relationship problem.

I mean, that's what I've been doing for 41 years.

So I'm just there to support them in actually getting to the root causes and learning how to use their mind and their creative abilities and, and have, you know, a healthy intuition and a real relationship with their soul so that they actually become a whole individuated human being and not just a programmed.

Robot that's acting on everybody else's belief systems and medicating their fears and their pains for, for lack of any other option?

Well, I guess the good news is it's actually possible, you know?

Oh, totally possible.

Yeah.

I mean, I've had to heal a lot of stuff in my life.

You know, my brother committed suicide, my dad drowned my, had lots of trauma from my father, seeing my, my family abused and hurt badly.

My sister's son drowned when he was three.

You know, I've lost my grandparents that I loved, multiple of them.

Um, you know, I've had a lot of bad traumas myself.

I was in a coma for two days in a motocross racing accident.

I've had many, many broken bones, um, racing motocross, and I got, you know, I got broken bones all through my body from all my stunt events on motorcycles and every other thing.

Um, so I've had a lot of physical trauma.

I've had a lot of emotional and mental trauma.

I've been through a divorce, you know, my first son's 43 years old now, and I got a grandson that's three with him, and I got an 8-year-old and a 5-year-old.

And, you know, I, monogamy didn't work for me.

So after my first marriage ended after 17 years, I promised myself no more of that.

So.

I asked Great Spirit prayed every day for a year and a half to bring me a partner that would let me be me and support me in my life mission.

And that was Penny.

And we've been married for 28 years now.

I met Penny in Canberra, Australia, and four days later we were engaged to get married, and we've been married for 28 years.

Then I, um, met Angie and she became, she joined me and Penny as a family 13 years ago.

And so we, Angie directs the nutrition and lifestyle coaching department.

Angie's got a degree in, um, nutrition.

She's got a degree in energy medicine.

She's got a degree in biology.

She did three years of advanced training with Michael Harner, one of the top shaman in the world who runs the in.

He died now, but Angie was in his last class before he died, but he founded the Institute for Shamanic Studies in San Francisco.

Penny's got three master's degree.

She's got a master's in biological anthropology from Cambridge, a master's in exercise and sports science from Colorado State, a master's in business from Colorado State.

And she's a pilot.

And so she's a master at keeping you aligned too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, you know, she, she supports me very well and she supports Angie.

So all of us really have a very in integral mission, and we're all the, the kind of the driving force behind the Check Institute.

And so our lives have been devoted to doing our best to bring good education to people and to help people heal.

And, and grow together and work through our own challenges together, like everybody has to, but we, we've always done very, very well.

And I point is, is I created the life that I wanted to live because I don't believe in limitations and posed upon you by other people.

Unless you buy into that with your heart and say, that's the way I wanna live, that's fine.

But what I find is very few people are actually living true to their authentic self.

And that is a great way to have a life of a lot of chronic health problems.

And so I learned early be true to your own self or you can't be true to anybody else.

And so I devoted my life to being honest with myself and following my own path.

And I developed my own system of education, my own system of healing.

And, um, I created freedom for myself at any cost.

And I pioneered a lot of things and I've been attacked repeatedly in my career.

But because I had a very good system of analysis and, and objective assessment, and I measured everything.

I don't care.

I've, I've been in debates all over the world.

I've never lost a single debate because I can prove what I teach, and I've done it over and over and over again.

What, what do the, um, conventional doctors think of Paul J It depends if they're, if they're awake, they think it's obvious, and they go, shit, why didn't I think of that?

And if they're not awake, well then they just come at me with all their studies and bullshit.

But I just dissect that easily.

I mean, I, I know a lot about science.

I've helped design scientific studies.

Inventions of mine have been used in scientific studies.

I've written journals in major, um, research, uh, written articles in journals and major research journals I've published.

I, I wrote a chapter called Posture and c Craniofacial Pain and a medical Book on head pain.

Um, you know, I could back what I say very, very well.

Here's, there's 5,000 books there that probably yeah, probably help you.

Um, what is the, just conscious of the time, Paul?

Um, yeah, we've got about 15 minutes.

What's the, what's the craziest experience you've had with a patient, you know, or, or maybe it's not with a patient, just yourself in terms of.

Unexpected.

Scary off the charts cosmic.

Well, I know I did, I did listen to one about, um, some, um, some puppets, a bunny, like it was a rabbit and a, um, you had to help get rid of out of a, a possession.

There was, well that was a puppets and that was a patient from Australia actually.

Um, but that wasn't even close to the scariest or the craziest.

I've seen some crazy shit with patients.

I've had, I had a class in Canberra, Australia one time with like 55 people in it.

And back in those days, me and Dr.

Oliver who taught my courses with me, he was a very skilled doctor and musician and sound healer.

Him and I used to demonstrate, um, sound healing and, and doing healing ceremonies to teach people how to go beyond just your evaluation and how to use these principles of healing and, and working with spiritual forces.

So I would call in spirit guides and angels to come help people.

And then I would also have my soul connect me to their soul.

And I would basically write down what my soul, through connection to their soul would say we needed to use for which musical instruments, which frequencies, et cetera.

But what would happen is because the, once I opened the ceremony, a lot of, a lot of things like angels and higher spiritual beings would come into the room.

People with entity possessions would go off because the entities don't like that energy around them.

And so one time we had three very badly possessed people in the room in Canberra, Australia, and we had one big rugby player, probably 220 pound muscular dude, thought he was a wolf, and he was on his hands and knees running around the room trying to bite people and attack people.

And at the same time, two others went off, all strong males acting very, you know, like you're talking some shit.

Scared the shit out of people.

I mean, people were crying their eyes and even men were crying their eyes out, calling the cops running out the door.

I mean, this was, you know, like exorcist type stuff.

And even my assistant instructors were scared to death.

So I was having to calm and center and work with these people and ground them.

Um, and then how'd you deal with that?

Well, I was able to stabilize 'em.

I just work with the entities.

I've run into these things many times.

So I just talked to them and, you know, asked them, why are you here?

Why is, why have you possessed this person?

And so I would, I ultimately connected each of them with healers in, in Australia that I had to do research to find, or that I connected to people and found and to help stabilize them.

And I, and I was able to get the room stable.

But that's one example of a, of an experience that scared the shit out of a lot of people.

Um, but because I had seen this, you know, I've been conducting healing ceremony with plant medicines for a long time.

So I've seen everything you can think of come out of people.

And I also know how to do entity work.

So does Angie as a shaman.

She does it all the time.

Um, but the most scary experiences I've ever had is, you know, I've done a lot of research on myself and because I've had so many people come to me from all over the world that had been injured quite badly by doing too much plant medicines or too frequently or too deep a doses, a lot of people became schizophrenic.

A lot of people got entity possessions.

Um, really just a, a lot of psychological trauma because if you, if you open up the ego to the point where it can no longer control the unconscious, then you can't limit what comes into your conscious perception.

So you can end up being in multiple dimensions of reality at one time, and you can't tell which one's more real than the other.

And you can also have things like what y would call complexes, which are networks of neural associations, for example, from trauma that have so much psychic energy in them.

They develop a personality of their own, and that's the source of multiple personality disorder.

So I've seen a lot of these things and, and.

To do, because I had so many of these people coming to me from all these plant medicine ceremonies all over the world.

I realized I needed to map out the inner dimensions.

So, and because I did a year of training with a, a doctor that uses plant medicines and I became a, a member of the Native American Council so I could use them legally through the Native American Indian Rights, I started researching in 2006 on myself.

And I would take a particular medicine, be it mushrooms, L-S-D-D-M-T, I used, uh, San Pedro.

I used many different medicines, and I would progressively up the dose ceremony after ceremony until I hit psychosis.

And I would map out what was the inner terrain like, what were the kind of entities that showed up.

Like I've run into extraterrestrial beings many times and had lots of conversations.

I met many dark entities as well.

Well, so the point I'm driving at is I've been through some really scary shit.

I've been broke, I've went bankrupt.

I've had death in the family.

I've had traumas that I didn't know I'd ever recover from.

Like I told you, I was, I was completely unconscious for two days in a coma.

Um, from a head injury.

I've had six major concussions racing motocross.

But the experiences that really were intense is when I got into real deep plant medicine ceremonies with DMT and, and DMT and mixed with, uh, in combination with ayahuasca.

And I, and I have gone so deep into God, I didn't know if I was alive anymore or how to get back.

And I've completely dissolved into beyond the universe.

I've had many samati experiences.

You know, I worked with a Tai Chi master for a long time.

I did daily Tai Chi for 18 years, sometimes twice a day.

I've trained in medical Qigong.

I did lots of that.

I'd meditated for years and years and still do.

Um, I've gone to non-dual states with no medicines whatsoever many times.

But I went so deep in many of these plant medicine ceremonies that I, I literally, I didn't, I didn't even know if I was alive.

I, I was so merged with the emptiness and the, the, just the, there's nothing you can say to describe it, but I, I have been so deep.

I woke up, came into consciousness, found myself curled into the fetal position, crying for my mother, and I'm an ex.

Fighting paratrooper and the intensity of the vastness and the emptiness of God is so utterly shocking to the psyche that there is nothing that can prepare you for it.

Nothing.

And those experiences, whenever they've happened, have been something that some of them took me months and months to reintegrate from.

And one time I had a very deep DMT journey and interestingly, DMT doesn't last long in the body.

'cause the body loves it.

It cata it eats it up instantly, you know, so A DMT journey only lasts about 12 minutes, but I had a complete union with God and every single day

for I think 14 days at exactly 2:38 AM Strangely enough, I went into a complete reliving of it, and it was profound.

And I was like alive in multiple dimensions.

I've had experiences that were so absolutely contrary to everything we're taught about reality.

And being a remote viewer, it wa it was easier for me to reconcile some of these things.

But I've actually found that my soul is living in multiple bodies, in different dimensions.

And even in one dimension, I, I'm on a different planet altogether, but it's similar to earth.

But I'm with a wife and I've got three kids and I'm living more of a hunter gatherer type.

And, but it was, it was in a place that really felt like Hawaii.

It was very warm.

And there was these beautiful waiting pools, natural waiting pools, many of them almost like craters that the natives would swim in and fish in.

And I would be out with my wife and kids.

And I mean, these are just the kinds of experiences I've come back from and went, how in the fucking world is this possible?

And so I'd have to go into meditation and ask my soul to take me back to these dimensions when I was not on the medicine so I could actually consciously and take notes and really like comprehend it.

And I've just had, I've come to the conclusion that God is infinite intelligence, infinite power, infinite creativity, infinite information and infinite processing speed, and that God is actually testing every single possibility that exists at the same time.

Everywhere simultaneously.

And that time is an illusion that is created, and each of us is what I call rom Doss Rom God doss worker.

We are each expressing one potential of God living it out, and that there is no judgment from being a Hitler or a mass murderer to a saint.

It's all God testing, all of its possibilities for its own self-realization.

And paradoxically, God itself is growing in its own evolution.

And what we call the universe is actually one of an infinite number of universes.

But that in every one of them, if you think of the universe as a living being, it's going through the same stages of growth and development that we go through from birth to, to the success of stages of life to old age and maturity.

And that's what the OM of Hinduism really means.

Awe, I awaken.

Ooh, I'm dreaming.

Ooh, I'm falling asleep.

Underscore, end of cycle loss.

End of end of that cycle.

Yeah.

And so this is Om is scale and variant.

It's active from a sub quantum subatomic particle all the way to the universe.

It's in every I.

I talk all about this in my spirit, Jim series.

I show how om is the master cycle that's nested in everything.

And so there's.

I also have met extraterrestrial civilizations in my astral travels and my, um, remote viewing and astral travels that are so far advanced beyond us.

And I've even met extraterrestrial beings that say they've re-engineered us and they have changed our DNA so that we have more abilities.

And they're the ones that took us from being primates and turned us into humans.

And I've had wild, wild conversations with these beings and they've taught me things that I know they're not, that I'm not imagining things 'cause I can go research things the and find them.

And so I've come to the realization that God is everything and every one, and that God itself is in its own process of evolution.

And that what we call the universe is ultimately God's body.

And that we are each like cells, just like your body's made of approximately a hundred trillion cells.

Every living organism is a source of experience and information within the body of God.

So just like we have a heart and a liver and kidneys, you could say the earth is like an organ in the solar system, which is an organ in the galaxy, which is an organ in the universe.

And that every one of them is serving some kind of a very profound and unique function of experiencing.

And gathering information so that God wakes up to what it is.

And I found exactly what the Hindu sages said about the cycles of how the cycle of Brahma coming into being, sometimes referred to as Vishnu, and then a universe comes into being and it grows and matures, and then it terminates.

But I found that it's not that the universe is doing that as a whole because there's star systems in the universe that are being born all the time, and there's others that are aging.

So our solar system will go through its own evolutionary process, and Steiner describes that process very beautifully.

And that this, the consciousness that's now on earth will then move to another planet as it evolves.

And ultimately what we call human beings will become what's Tyner refers to as the lowest ranking angels.

And then there's 10 that we're on the will become the 10th hierarchy.

And that this is exactly what's going on everywhere.

And that ultimately the entire creation is what we could call a nursery for consciousness.

It is God growing its own self-realization.

And this is why I love the first principle of Sufism.

It's like, you know, the Sufis figured it out because their first principle is.

There is no God, but God I worship everything and everyone.

And when you have the kind of realizations I have, one of the funniest jokes God plays is people looking for God, I've got news for you.

You're wearing it.

Yeah, you are.

You're eating it.

You're breathing it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're looking at it.

You're walking on it, you're shitting it, you're putting it in your garden, you're growing it.

It's, there's nothing here.

You're smoking it.

You're smoking it.

Cheers.

Thanks for the reminder.

There's nothing here but God.

Right, and And the function of evil is to uphold the good because, well, the contrast.

Yeah.

Well, you see, you can't have consciousness unless you have a relative opposite.

You can't know good without bad north, without south in without, out good, without evil.

So God is so brave.

God will explore its own negative potentials with just as much commitment as its positive potentials.

And within any group of souls, there's always the negative polarity holders.

And their job is to create the stress to make sure that we don't get too happy and too calm to stop growing.

Well, that's the challenge.

And that's it.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess there's no growth substitute.

There's no growth stimulant like pain, and God knows that too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why I call the pain teacher.

When you're not paying attention, the pain teacher comes to inspire you to wake up and it'll tap you on the shoulder.

And if you don't listen, it'll knock you on the head, and then it'll push you off the clear fold and that'll remove your head.

It'll take it off, and then you figure it out and you go, oh my God, I missed the boat.

I gotta go try it again.

And that's what's really going on.

And you know, God's got the wickedest sense of humor.

The things I've seen just are unbelievable.

I mean, I've laughed and cried so hard.

It took me days to get over the muscle pain from hours of just crying my eyes out because of all the pain that God's willing to go through as human beings and animals and everything else, but also the humor and the joy behind it.

You know, you realize that God is a paradox top to bottom.

And if you can't handle a paradox, then you have to fall into a belief system, which gives you permission to stop asking questions.

And that's the problem with people is they're inherently lazy.

So every ism.

Cult, which religions are largely cults, is an excuse to just let somebody else tell you what's true so you can stop doing the work of asking is it really true?

And then, and then, 'cause that's the difference between the belief and the knowing, isn't it?

Well, the knowing is, comes only from experience.

And, and so I don't care if people say that I'm crazy, I don't give a shit.

I know what I've experienced, and unlike a lot of people, I've been brave enough to find the edges of myself repeatedly and keep penetrating and, and really have a visceral inner sense of what is real.

And ultimately, there's nothing more real than what you perceive.

Perception is reality, right?

If you tell me that you're hot in this room and I say, quit bullshitting, you can't be hot.

It's not that hot in here, then I'm an idiot because I'm denying your experience opposite.

Yeah.

You know?

So if you, if you, whatever you tell me is my patient, I know is real for you.

But if it doesn't interface with the reality you're in, it's gonna cause pain.

And so my job as a therapist is to help you see where your own projected limitations are.

Where your traumas are, where your perception is distorted.

And my definition of reality is reality is what supports you from moment to moment.

You can't get by without food.

You can't get by without water.

You can't get by without air.

You can't get by without love and relationships and reality is also what's happening right now.

So most of my patients are suffering from belief systems that are contradictory to reality.

And if you look at what's going on in the world right now, we're destroying nature.

We're destroying the very reality that we depend upon.

So we have a patient that's traumatized very badly and has to wake up to the fact that it's committing suicide.

And so if the people of the world were considered to be cells in a body, then the patient needs help.

And, and I started Spirit Jim to guide people through the healing work that I've studied, practiced and learned and used to help thousands of people heal and be reconnected to reality so that they can focus on creating more love and freedom in their life, regardless of what everybody else is doing.

Because if you don't have the bravery to be free, then you will never be free.

I'm conscious of time.

I wanna hear about Spirit Gym.

You've gotta go, but I want you to give it a, give it a good wrap because, um, well Spirit, it's, it's an exciting Yeah.

Spirit gym's really the magnum opus of my work.

Um, it's a membership based program.

It's based on the 15 volumes of the Spirit Jim book series.

It's based on 10 key principles, one being the principle of being two, the principle of duality, which is the basis of mind.

Three, the principle of the holy trinity and how source as pure potential manifests itself through spirit and matter.

So we all have that built into us.

The four is the principle of embodiment and the four elements and the system of alchemy that I developed for healing yourself and understanding reality.

Uh, the principle of the four doctors, which I teach Dr.

Happiness, Dr Diet, Dr.

Quiet doctor, movement, the four phases of love.

Unconditional love becomes embodied as sex and violence.

Love, which becomes conditional love, which becomes empathetic and compassionate love.

And then you can choose nirvana if you get evolved enough and then you're back to source again.

Um, the principle of the five, which is dealing with the challenge of any process on the hero's journey.

So how do you make it through the challenge phase, which is usually when you need a mentor or a guide to teach you how to learn what you need to learn to finish your hero's journey and really become who you are.

Um, and I teach the five most important things you have to know about how to design a healing program or a exercise program so that it actually works.

So there's five key principles.

The six principle of the six is the six foundation principles I teach nutrition, hydration, sleep.

Those are the feminine breathing thinking and movement or the masculine.

If you don't understand those, you'll never be healthy.

The principle of the seven is the seven chakras, the soul and the spirit, and how, what is spirit, what is soul?

How do these chakras work?

And how is it that we have a spirit and a soul that manifests in the physical body?

And how do, how do you work with your soul to get guidance and have your own personal relationship with God?

Principle of the eight is self-reflection.

How do you use your capacity to self-reflect, to look at the choices you're making, the beliefs you've had, the challenges and relationships, and identify where you can do better and choose to do it, to create freedom for yourself and everybody you share relationships with.

The principle of the nine is a new state of being.

Now that you've achieved this new level of consciousness, how do you keep from falling off the wagon?

The principle of the 10 is a new level of being.

So now that you've completed one cycle of the hero's journey, how do you rest introspect, dream and intuit to call forth your next hero's journey for the next stage of your evolution?

So it's a system of education that takes you through a healing process and an understanding of these 10 principles, and me giving you a lesson each week and then answering questions.

And helping people in the audience use the benefits of my life experience as a therapist and a life coach.

And I have several mentors that will also be helping and I will have guest mentors that are experts in key areas that come give lectures on some sort of a regular basis.

And the goal is that we all take responsibility for healing and creating freedom within ourselves and going out into the world and exemplifying to people that we can live in harmony with each other.

That we can live in harmony with nature, that we can use natural principles.

And you can, you can use the best of ancient wisdom and modern science to produce viable outcome that gives our children a, a chance for a future.

And what forum is that in?

It's, it's, it's online.

It's online?

Yeah.

Is it live?

It's all live.

It's live, yeah.

Online.

But all the lessons are recorded.

Yeah.

So there's about 60 hours and I'll be, keep adding them.

There's about 60 hours of recorded lessons that you get with your membership that take you through all the healing exercises and give you all the knowledge and explorations that correlate to the chapters of the 15 volume book set.

Um, and then you can use the books to go deeper than I can take people through.

'cause the books are quite deep and well referenced.

So, uh, the books are for the people that want to deep dive, but the lessons are for, um, anybody that wants to heal and learn these key principles and how to apply them in their life so they can develop their own relationship with God and their own spirituality.

And also have a tribe of people that share similar values and who are ready to really take responsibility for their own growing up, waking up, growing up, cleaning up and showing up.

Really, it's uh, one of my favorite words.

Tribe.

Yeah.

'cause COVID certainly helped people find their tribe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a whole other conversation.

Yeah.

And tell me one last question, um, Paul, what, how in, in terms of the investment people make in that, what, how does that work?

Is it, is it sort of, uh, it's, it's 2,400 for the year, uh, which includes access to all the lessons and you get the weekly lessons from me live, and then you get to spend 60 to 90 minutes with me each week to ask any question in the audience.

And then I give you guidance or tell you which lessons we'll address that challenge.

So you get four meetings a week that are ultimately about two to two and a half hours long, and you get over 60 hours of training and you get the guest mentors, you get a PDF copy of how to eat, move and be Healthy.

If you're a member, you get each edition of Spirit Gym on Kindle as part of your membership when it comes out.

So you have the deeper stuff.

And so really what I did is I put everything that I do with my private clients that pay me.

You know, I'm an expensive guy to see.

It's seven 50 an hour for my consulting.

And if you watch the testimonials, there's a lot of people that have worked with me on the, on the testimonials so you can get a sense of what happens.

And um, so really for like peanuts on the dollar compared to working with me privately, you can take advantage of everything that people have paid me a lot of money to learn and, and go through to heal.

And you've got your first session this afternoon.

It's today.

You gotta get organized for that.

Um, Paul, so many more questions.

A whole list I didn't really even get to, but that's fine.

Well, I'll come back.

Well, I'll, I'll, I'm gonna come back, um, and I wanna do a little q and a and some things we might, if you're okay with it, might have to do a little quick one on a Zoom or a whatever.

Yeah, we can do it.

I had to go at, at some point.

You have to go now.

No, no, not now.

But in the future we might try and line up.

No problem.

I'm just oozing with more questions.

Yeah.

Um, Paul, that's been fascinating.

You've blown my head off.

Oh good.

Well I've been thinking so much about it.

I love the whole idea of, um, spirit Gym and it's a, it's a culmination of 40 years of your work.

Work.

Yeah.

And you got an overview of it right there.

Right here.

That's it.

So we, so people go to, um, website, my spirit gym.com.

Awesome.

We'll put all the details in the show notes and then you got my podcast too.

So that's, uh, spirit Gym with Paul.

Check.

Yeah.

Used to be living four D, but Spirit Gym with Paul Check.

And the lowest level of Spirit Gym is the podcast membership where you get the extended play.

Mm-hmm.

On my podcast, which I'll be start putting in spirit gym concepts more consistently now.

So for anybody that wants a sample that can't afford the really, what is a mentorship, they can start with the Spirit Gym podcast, which is only 7 99 a month.

Awesome.

So I'm gonna do, um, a subscription as well.

We've already, we are doing one, um, but a new one.

And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to try and track it down and do a little 20 minute session on a topic of your choice.

Okay.

And we would just do a bit of a deep dive for our subscribers.

Okay.

Paul, that was fascinating.

Um, and so, uh, appreciate and grateful for your time, you and your, your conversation.

Thank you.

And your patience as well.

Um, and we'll catch up again.

Awesome.

Very soon.

Thanks, buddy.

That was so good.

Thank you.

Don't stop doing what you're doing.

Okay.

I don't, I don't, I don't have any you desire to do any else?

You've got another, you've got another 41 years in you.

I'll, I'll just go tell my soul says, it's time to leave your work's done.

Is that a question you probably don't wanna ask your soul?

I do.

And my soul has told me that I will probably be here till I'm 78 at, uh, to, to give my kids the knowledge they both came here to do world work.

So my soul says, uh, at least to when, about 78.

Um.

And then it'll be time for me to leave.

But my soul said that my work will be used by many generations after me.

You'll leave our, we didn't even get to reincarnation.

That's next time.

Yeah, no, lots of stuff.

And you can also mention the Czech Institute 'cause there's lots of stuff there.

Absolutely.

That'll be in the, in the shout notes as well.

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So thank you for your time.

Mm-hmm.

Today.

Um, we're set up here.

Again, Penny's been amazing just getting everything sector 'cause set up.

'cause I'm so, she's a, I'm not a tech head, a tech wizard.

Mm.

She's done well.

Um, and this session, if you are listening to this, it's because you are a very, um, supportive subscriber to the regenerative journey Plus thing.

I'm always out of, out of focus, which is probably a good thing my guests.

Tend to be the ones that people wanna make sure Is you and Fergus there?

Is that, is that as good as image of Paul?

Check as we will ever get?

That's probably about as good as it gets.

Okay.

I'm, I'm a little bit blurred that, that's probably a good thing.

Um, so this is just a bit of a this, because, because the, the interview we did that goes to everyone was fantastic and I didn't want to chop into it 'cause there was so much to it.

Thank you.

Um, so this session is really about whatever you wanna talk about.

I, on my drive down here through the, that phenomenal LA traffic I, I battled.

Um, uh, I was thinking what I think what would be great value for me and our listeners and watches is if you were to, and this could go anywhere of course, let us know kind of what are some of the, um, the tips and tricks, if I can use that expression for, uh, have good smoke.

Have a good smoke that's just not in, that's not any old smoke.

No, it's, that's special.

It's not even smoke, it's water vapor, but it's, uh, it's a hopped up dehydrator that pushes hot air through herbs and I put flour essences and essential oils and organic herbs and clean tobacco.

So it, it's really just, it's just water vapor.

Yeah.

It looks like smoke, but there's really no smoke in there at all.

Yep.

I'm not one who's big on torturing his body.

No.

And when you say clean tobacco, that's No chemicals.

No chemicals.

So organically grown.

I, I, I don't know for sure, it's organically grown, but I did a lot of research to find a company that grows tobacco without chemicals.

Um, and I found the stock Abe Corporation was the place to go.

I did, there are organic tobacco suppliers, but they don't make nearly as nice a tasting tobacco as that.

I did a lot of research and found that this particular one, which is called Northern Shag, has the lowest shag.

Yeah.

It comes from, um, Denmark and it, and it has the least amount of nicotine in it.

Yeah, right.

Because I get very easily addicted to nicotine.

Mm.

And even though you're vaporizing, it still pulls nicotine out of it.

The vaporizer only goes to 450 degrees a cigarette burns different articles, say between 800 and 1200 degrees.

So you'll get a full liberation of nicotine if you light tobacco on fire.

Mm.

But because this thing doesn't get that hot, and I don't run it at full heat, I run it at probably around 400 degrees.

And with this low nicotine tobacco, I can vaporize it as much as I want.

And if I stop doing it, you know, 'cause I have to travel or something, I don't, I don't have any withdrawal.

Mm-hmm.

But if I do any, like, uh, a lot of my friends, like the, uh, snuffs that you snort tobacco powders and they're super strong and within 15 minutes I feel like I'm crashing.

Yeah.

And the same thing, if I smoke any tobacco at all, I go up and I feel a really nice, clear-headed buzz.

But then 15 minutes or so later I feel like I'm going into like a withdrawal and I just do not want to get addicted to anything.

Have you, did you smoke when you were a young man?

Like, there, there was a period when I, when I was working in, um, the logging industry that I smoked for about, uh, maybe six months.

But I was very competitive with all my buddies.

And when I found out that all of a sudden they were able to, to get more, we used to, at that point we were doing logging for shakes, which is Cedar shakes, you know, for roofing.

So we were going in and, and we had, uh, I was with a friend of mine who had the rights to a certain chunk of land that he'd got government rights to in the mountains.

And we would go, fall the trees and then cut them into about 16 inch blocks.

And, you know, then we'd have to split 'em.

'cause some of these trees are like eight feet across at the butt and, you know, 160 feet tall.

And then we'd use wedges to split them and we would be carrying chunks of wood out that were probably, you know, as, as big as you could carry, they'd probably weigh about 90 to 130 pounds each.

So we used to compete so you could carry the most and we'd have to stack 'em in a big truck to deliver 'em to the mill.

And after smoking for a while, I couldn't keep up with these guys.

And it pissed me off so bad.

I just dropped it and, and I never went back.

That's funny.

Um, let me think there.

I saw on, on a video online the other day of, uh, a machine that, that was probably doing that very thing they putting in a block.

Mm-hmm.

And it was a guillotine It was going, yeah, it was automated.

Yeah.

And it were these perfect, I guess we might call 'em shingles.

Shingles.

Shingles.

Shingles are, are thinner.

Mm.

And smaller shakes are about a centimeter or so thick.

Oh yeah.

And they're probably about double the size and length of, of a shingle.

Shingle.

So where do they go in a house?

Uh, they, they're the same.

They just, you, you different, they're just, it's different style.

It looks a little bit more old fashioned, a little more rustic.

And they probably last longer 'cause there's more wood to them.

Yeah.

Right.

So you, you have companies that make shakes and make shingles.

Oh, you, this is on Vancouver Island when I was, you know, 17 years old maybe.

Mm-hmm.

So that wasn't that long ago.

That was quite a while ago.

How old would those trees have been that, that eight foot diamond?

That's a pretty, they would've been, that's a pretty 500 plus years old.

I wish I would've known at the time if I would've had the consciousness to realize what I was doing.

I wouldn't have been cutting trees down like that.

Wow.

But it's a job I didn't know any better and it was just working to make a living and feed my family.

And yeah, looking back on it, it makes me cringe of all the beautiful trees I cut down.

But you, you know, you grow up and you learn hemps quite a, um, uh, I did some research recently on hemp.

Mm-hmm.

In Australia.

It's not taking off, but there's certainly a lot of research in terms of a, um, an alternative to, to timber for it is construction and, and even the molding they can do and the.

This, it's really, well, there was a huge hemp industry in the United States, but Rockefeller shut it down because he didn't want anything to compete with his oil-based products.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So the reality of it is growing hemp, we could leave the forest untouched.

And hemp, as you're probably aware, not only makes a wide variety of medicinal molecules, but can be used for textile.

I got, these shoes I'm wearing are made of hemp.

And that I believe is the, um, because is the, it's the stalk spark.

It's the stalk.

The stalk, okay.

Yeah, because there's, there's other stuff you can make with the, the outside of the, like the bark, I guess it is.

Is that right?

I'm not sure.

All the thing hemp is so versatile.

It's mind blowing and you literally could completely eliminate the lumber industry 'cause they can actually compress it and make the equivalent of, of two by fours and all the things we use to build houses, I mean it would literally take, you can make everything you do at a lumber with it and you can make probably multiple hundreds of different molecules that come out of the hemp plant of medicinal types.

And you've also got the oil, which has got a lot of therapeutic and nutritional benefits.

So it's one of these miraculous products.

But due to the nefarious forces that got ahold of all of us and still do have us by the throat, um.

Hemp farming kind of was forced into disappearance.

And uh, I, I would love to see it make a, a comeback for things other than just marijuana, you know?

'cause 'cause it's 'cause it's so versatile.

It, it, it would, it would really change our relationship with the environment.

'cause if, you know, I'm sure you know that the logging industry is just totally destructive to the environment.

Well, in Victoria, in, in Australia, I know, I was talking to a fellow the other day about it.

He's trying to convince, and he, and he probably never will be able to the Victorian government who are big supporters of the logging industry in Victoria, which was, um, you know, it's a state with a lot of natural resource, you, you might call it that.

Yeah.

And he was wanting them to redeploy the idle logging equipment.

Mm-hmm.

Basically, it wouldn't be a one for one type of thing, but say, um, which is a sitting idle in a lot of cases to then be utilized for in the hemp industry.

Um, different product and different, similar machinery.

But it could be redeployed in some way and they're just going No, because they're somewhat beholden to the forestry industry.

Yeah.

So they wouldn't want to, they wouldn't wanna encourage the No, the, you know, the, um, no, the lumber industry is a, is a, a big industry.

It's, it's like, you know, it's, it's its own mafia, you know, so that's why they're not gonna let hemp be grown because unless they become the hemp growers Yeah.

They're gonna lose billions and billions of dollars.

But that's, isn't that just a disease that has the world?

Right.

It's one of many examples, isn't it?

It's money instead of, uh, you know, sustainability.

And Henry Ford built a whole car out of it, didn't he?

I don't know about that, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I mean, you, like I said, you know, I've looked into it and you, you can make so many things outta hemp.

It's crazy.

It's really versatile.

Let, let's bring it back to you.

Um, yeah, so tips and, you know, like things that you might recommend, um, people do, and I'm thinking almost chronologically through a day.

Mm-hmm.

You know, because there are, you know, one thing that's obvious, and not just because I've been in the States for the last month, but, you know, my, my curiosity with, uh, and I follow a lot of different people, whether it's about diet, you know, nutrition or whether it's lifestyle, whether it's, you know, call it self-development, call it spiritual, sort of, you know, transformation.

There are so many, it's confusing and overwhelming.

The for, for people to sort of go, go, okay, well I don't know what's best for me.

And obviously, you know, I listen to one of your podcasts on the way up here.

With that lady whose name is Coach who, who wrote the book about, um, you know, vegan, vegetarian.

Oh, Jane Buxton.

Yeah.

Oh, fantastic.

That's great.

So good.

And she's an amazing woman.

Yeah.

Well she's, you know, she's done the research, um, and instead of endless amount, but that's my point is that for someone to go kinda make some decisions and they, they may have at least got to the point of acknowledging that they need that it would be in their interest to change lifestyle things.

Habits, yeah.

Um, which is most everybody's, which is Yeah, that's right.

Everyone you'd like to think would at some point.

Yeah.

Uh, what is the next step, you know, like how do they assess what they need and then, and then action or execute on their sleep, their, their, their nutrition, nutrition requirements, their, the direction they want to take their life, you know, how to develop a relationship with their soul.

I mean, yeah, this whole podcast series in itself.

But what are some of the things that you could say, you would say, look, here's the top picker number five things, or 10 things.

Well, I, I don't remember if we talked about this in our podcast together when you were last here, but I, because here's how this came about.

By the time.

Check professionals are in their fourth year of training the academy's five years, but it used to be a four year program.

We had to stretch it out just 'cause it was overwhelming students.

But by the time they're at the fourth year, they can do assessments on somebody eight hours straight because they have learned so much.

You know, we, we assess the entire structure.

We assess the glands and the organs.

We assess their developmental history from the, from in utero and the environment that the parents were in to, uh, traumas throughout life to challenges through transitions such as deaths in the family, divorces, loss of businesses, and, you know, anything that has a significant impact on the development of the individual.

And so there's, it's a very, very comprehensive evaluation.

It's probably more comprehensive than anywhere in the world.

And the problem that occurred around in the early two thousands is some of my top instructors and students that were very, you know, skilled people.

One of the Nat Matthew Wags, a naturopathic and osteopathic physician, and he was, when he started training with me 27 years ago, he's my director of education now, but they came to me and said, Paul, you know, we're a bit overwhelmed because.

We find so much stuff wrong with people and oftentimes there's like 10 or 15 or more 20 things all that could be considered to be serious.

You know?

'cause people are in bad shape out there.

And so, um, they said, what we don't understand is how do you take all this information and synthesize it down in, in, into a program knowing that you're doing what's the most important thing to do for a client first?

Because how do you, how do you deal with someone who's hurt, tired, struggling, yet you've got enough information to write a very, very comprehensive program.

You can have these people doing stretches, exercise, diet, and lifestyle changes all day long for months, you know?

And so I took what was an internal process for me, which I kind of felt embarrassed because these guys had been training with me all these years and I assumed it was fairly obvious.

And I, you know, uh, by this time they had, uh, so it must have been around 2004 because my book, how Eat, move and Be Healthy was Out.

But in a long story made short, what I did is I sat down and I wrote down my own inner process and that became the four doctor model.

So what I did is I developed a four step process.

It can be used by a lay person or it can be used by the most advanced medical professionals There is, and it still works the same.

It's just the depth that you go into.

It changes depending on the skill level and the amount of data you gather.

And this will answer your question.

So the first thing that I have to do whenever I'm working with a patient or a client that needs help, and this is the first thing everybody needs to do, we start with number one in my system.

That's one love.

What do you love enough to change for, to grow for and to get your heart in what?

Get your heart involved in it.

So in a general theme we call that, what is your dream?

So if you came to me, say, with chronic back pain, I'd say, Charles, well what is your dream for coming to see me?

And if that's not clear, what would be your specific goal or objective?

And then I would qualify that.

I say that if it's not at least a seven out of 10 for I'm inspired and motivated to do this, it means we don't have a good enough dream goal or objective.

Because without a a, a clearly defined dream goal or objective, there's nothing to create a sense of levity that overcomes the inertia of the habits and the behaviors that led to the.

Uh, issues that people get stuck with.

Um, remember, 85% of all orthopedic injuries are idiopathic, which means when the patient goes to the doctor and says, how did you hurt yourself?

They don't know.

Mm.

They don't have, they didn't fall off a ladder.

They didn't lift up a suitcase in the airport.

They just don't know.

So what that tells you is that these things are progressively, um, coming on and they're chronic things that are, you know, it's, it's just like, you know, a mosquito sucking your blood.

One or two won't get you, but 500 will.

So if you say, what are all the mistakes people are making on a daily basis and you add 'em all up, well, it's enough to cause so much stress that the body cannot effectively respond to it.

So no matter who it is, there's always lots of these things going on.

So I have to say, what is it that you love enough to change for, to, to manage yourself well, for, to make the diet and the lifestyle changes that will bring you into a state where you have enough healing energy, anabolic energy to recover.

But, and, and to grow into what it is that you choose to be or do with yourself.

Like for, if you said to me, I've gotta run my farm, and that's very important to me.

And, uh, yes, my heart is into it.

I would say, well, that's a really good dream goal or objective.

So if we don't establish that, then what I found out is that no matter how good the program is, no matter how good the supplements you give them are, it, it never works because people have got so many unconscious habit patterns, and a lot of them are reactions to stress.

So you get things like a lot of coffee drinking.

You get, uh, drinking alcohol, you get recreational drugs, you get distractions with video games, with television, social media.

And that's because of a person, consciously or unconsciously creates a life that's not fulfilling.

They actually get caught in, in a flatland experience where like it's all they're doing is just working to pay bills all the time, or trying to survive instead of thrive.

So if a person is in that existence, then they have to create a second reality and have a way to get out of this reality.

So you see that, you know, we've got this massive wave now of psychedelic use.

We've got huge addiction problems to, uh, video games and social media.

We've had, we've got, we have had for a long time, tremendous problems with alcohol addiction.

Um, and then now we have, you know, almost, I would say excessive use of marijuana.

And now they're legalizing mushrooms in lots of places.

So what I've seen is that.

As more and more of these, shall we say, state shifting molecules become available.

People go deeper and deeper into them because they don't have a sense of direction in their life.

They don't have something that inspires them to take care of themselves.

For example, if I say, Hey, here's a pill that'll get you really high, but it'll cause a lot of back pain.

Well, you as a farmer might think, well, if it gets me high for a few hours, but then I got back pain and I can't go take care of my farm, I'm screwing myself.

So right away, you, you're, you're, you're saying, what is important enough for me to make decisions with?

Right.

Without that sense of clear, a clear sense of direction or dream or goal or objective, you don't have any way to establish values for making effective decisions.

So step one in my program is, what do you love enough to grow for, to change, for or to become?

Hmm.

Step two is based on the fact that there's only two forces that create everything in the universe.

The feminine, which in Taoism or Chinese medicine, is called yin, and that relates to the parasympathetic nervous system, growth, accumulation, regeneration, restoration.

It also links to the right brain and to learning.

So.

That relates to hydration.

It relates to sleep, and it relates to nutrition.

So we have the complimentary opposite force yang.

So yin multiplies power and accumulates resources.

Yang.

The masculine divides power and utilizes energy and resources.

So the more things a person's doing that are what, what's classically called catabolic, which means tissue destructive.

Such work, physical labor, going to a gym, uh, drinking coffee, um, drinking alcohol, anything that speeds the system up or activates the sympathetic nervous system.

The fight, flight, uh, nervous system, which is what shifts the blood flow out of the organs and glands into the musculoskeletal system to ready you for action.

Like if you're nervous or you're anxious or you're scared, that'll trigger a sympathetic reaction and you'll, your muscles will get tighter, you'll get adrenaline flow, you'll have a higher level of cortisol.

Your sense of alertness will go up.

And that's really, for example, why people drink so much coffee.

'cause if they're not getting enough sleep, they feel tired all the time.

So they need something to activate them and pick them up.

But eventually that'll burn the adrenal glands out because cortisol is made by the adrenal glands.

And, um, so you basically have to look at.

Your life in general and say, okay, what am I doing to restore myself?

So how do we restore ourself?

We drink quality water.

We eat clean, organically grown or biodynamically grown food or regeneratively.

We farm food or animal caught fish because farm fish is very, very toxic.

Okay?

We, um, have to have adequate amounts of sleep.

And as I show in my book how to eat, move and be healthy, you, you need to sleep in cycle with the natural rhythms because the light is what regulates your hormonal system.

And as the sun's coming up, you get a progressive increase in cortisol, and as it goes down and cortisol drops down, melatonin goes up.

And melatonin is the trigger that releases your anabolic hormones, which are your growth and repair hormones.

So when people keep staying up late at night and being stimulated by lights and screens, they keep their cortisol levels up, and so they don't get to have a progressive release of melatonin.

So they're staying in a sympathetic hype hyperactivated awake state.

And so the late, the longer that goes on, the more it fatigues the adrenal glands, but the harder it is for their body to digest, metabolize, assimilate, repair, and regenerate.

So you see that there's this very, very chronic imbalance between incoming.

Nutrition and resources and rest and outgoing resources and energy and expressing oneself in a variety of ways, but keeping the system turned on.

And so it's kind of like people that run outta money and try to live off of credit cards.

If you don't balance the autonomic nervous system and you don't have enough incoming yin feminine resources and energy relative to what you're utilizing from nutritional resources, um, you know, your body's internal reserves.

A good example of that is Aaron Fried Pfeiffer, who you may be familiar from Steiner's work showed all the way back in about 1955 based on his analysis, that by the time people were about 32 years of age, they were enzyme depleted.

And so hat track that right back to processed foods.

And this is, you know, in the fifties.

And so because people aren't eating enough raw food and enough living foods, they become enzyme depleted.

So when they're eating all this food that has no enzymes in it because it's cooked or it's processed, they deplete the enzyme stores of their bodies.

And so their biochemical capacity breaks down because enzymes are involved in pretty much every biochemical reaction in your body.

So what you see is people can.

Burn their bodies out.

And then when they don't have enough enzymes to break their food down, they start having digestive trouble.

And if you are hydrochloric acid deficient, which the same people that are enzyme deficient become hydrochloric acid deficient, then you don't have the chief means for killing parasites, bacteria, fungal spores.

And so what you see is a very high incidence of fungal infection, bacterial dysbiosis, parasite infection, and all of those poison the body.

And all of those organisms release chemicals.

They're waste into your body.

Um, many of the parasites, for example, the as scarce worm can manipulate the cytokines and immune regulating chemicals and actually disguise themselves.

So the immune system gets shut down by mycotoxins, it gets shut down by, uh, parasites, it gets confused, and then they're eating the nutrition that's in the gut.

And so what you get is people that get further nutritionally, deficient further because that causes inflammation.

'cause these organisms are eating into your tissues all the time, and that's how they lay their eggs in you.

So you get global inflammation and you get a lot of toxicity and people get tired.

So they drink more and more coffee, eat more and more sugar.

They do all the things that take 'em further and further into this yang excess of spending spending.

And the more inflammation you have in the body, the more your body tries to release more and more cortisol.

'cause that's the chief anti-inflammatory hormone.

The hotter you get and the hotter you get, the more your thermal regulatory system gets stressed because it has to cool you down to, to keep you alive.

And the body's very temperature sensitive.

And so the thermo regulatory system is probably, if not the, one of the most energy consumptive systems in the body.

It, it, it requires contributions from every part of your body.

So step two then is looking at the general balance of how am I doing with hydrating, nourishing, and resting and relaxing my mind?

Mm-hmm.

Because most people today are so outcome oriented.

We've been programmed to be outcome oriented.

Everything's always about an outcome.

So for example, I stack rocks to create an environment of what I call unbound play.

That way it doesn't matter if the rocks fall over, it's just a pile of rocks.

And so I can go out there and I can get some exercise and I can be creative.

But I can relax my mind and not have to think, you know, am I performing good enough?

Is, you know, like a student, am I gonna get a good grade?

Is my boss gonna complain about this?

You can just completely let go of all that.

So, you know, part of what I'll share in a minute relates to, we have to really be conscious that if we're constantly pursuing outcomes, and we have so many internal systems of measuring ourself all the time, then what I've found with working with thousands of patients in over 40 years is we get what is classically now referred to as control fatigue.

We're trying to juggle so much and trying to always achieve these outcomes all the time, that we get to the point where we're so tired that we, we start giving up on the management of things.

And we, there's things that are hard to give up.

Like if you, if you've got a job and you have to perform at work to get paid, you're a lawyer or you're a, you know, a construction worker or anybody, you know, you, you gotta do your job well.

So you can't just let that go or you'll lose your job.

Although the quality of that work's going down rapidly, as most people know.

So what we start giving up on is we start giving up on the things that we're most ignorant about as a as, as a race, as humans.

So we're pretty ignorant about food.

We're pretty ignorant about water, we're pretty ignorant about exercise.

We're pretty ignorant about the importance of sleep and sleep cycles.

Um, we're, we're pretty ignorant about the importance of rest and valuing rest versus always having to do something all the time.

We're very ignorant about doing things that are happy making versus seeking happiness vicariously by watching television.

You know, I say life is not a spectator sport, it's a participation sport.

So the more tired people get, the more they start being spectators.

And the more time you spend in front of screens, the more hypnotized you get.

Because as soon as you start watching a screen, you go into a state of hypnosis, which is why it's so easy to program people when they're watching screens.

And so you start becoming less and less conscious about the choices you're making.

Well, after a while, you know, what do you got?

You got an inflamed, tired body that is malnourished, that's inflamed, like I said, inflamed.

Um, that's not sleeping well, which causes people to have cognitive problems.

They can't think, well, with all that inflammation in the gut, you get leaky gut syndrome.

The next thing you know, you have, you know, I've seen people with as many as 52 food intolerances.

So they're having food reactions, immune reactions to everything they're eating.

Um, the gut's leaking, which is another big problem.

And, and so their anabolic capacity dwindles dramatically.

And so you, you find a lot of those people will say things, well, I used to exercise, but it made me so sore, I couldn't keep doing it because they don't have any regenerative abilities.

Right?

So what I'm saying in a nutshell is if a person doesn't have, if a person wakes up in the morning and even after eight hours of sleep, still feels tired, still feels like they need to drink, that's a bad sign.

If they need to drink coffee or tea, if they can't get by without processed sugar, that's a very bad sign.

If they have a lack of mental clarity, that's an indication that problems are, are there, if their body is too hot.

One of the ways, you know, you can do it without a temperature gauge is, I say, how often do you want to put ice in your drinks?

If you look around, even, even here on a winter day, you can go to any gas station and see people coming in constantly getting huge giant cups of soda pop fold with ice.

And I'm like, who would wanna drink ice on a cold ice water on a cold day like that unless they were already overheated inside?

And you see this going on all over the world.

And so if you're overheated, then that's not a good sign.

And one of the ways you can tell is when you have these inflammatory syndromes, people have a, and especially as the adrenal glands begin to fatigue, people have a tendency to wake up.

In the middle of the night, usually between one and three in the morning, hot and sweaty.

And they're, they end up being wide awake and they have a hard time getting back to sleep and they usually fall asleep just about the time they're supposed to get up.

And so what you're seeing is that there's so much heat in the body and because there's so much, um, garbage getting into the body 'cause the immune system can't keep up and the gut's leaking.

Then in the middle of the night, they're getting a very strong cortisol release to try to counterbalance all the inflammation in their body.

And parasites have the opposite day night cycle that, that most organisms do.

So they're active.

Full moon for a parasite is like high noon for us.

So at night when we're supposed to be asleep, regenerating ourselves, if you've got a lot of fungal, fungal, uh, fungus in you and you've got parasites in you, then what happens is they're actually doing their busy work, boring into your body to lay their eggs and eating up your food and making a lot of inflammation when you're supposed to be asleep.

And the body picks up that inflammation and triggers a cortisol release which wakes you up.

And this progressively burns the adrenals because the body doesn't get to go into a state of restoration at night.

It's constantly working.

And another thing that people do that as a side note that's a really bad idea, is they eat big meals right before bed.

And you should not do that.

Because your glands and organs cannot rest all night.

And so you wake up feeling very kind of lethargic and tired.

But the other thing is, is that people don't pay attention to the fact that your body's constantly broadcasting to you.

Um, some things that most people are not aware of, but they should be aware of is the quality of your hair.

You know?

Now, now for me, that's not a problem, but grass doesn't grow on a busy street.

Um, what are you saying about me that you, that you just good jeans that, that you, uh, you, you have, um, such powerful anabolic abilities.

Um, so, you know, you, you see hair getting dry.

Mm-hmm.

You see split ends.

You, you see hair that's just not healthy, it's brittle.

Uh, a lot of people notice their hair starts falling out.

Um, you look at fingernails and toenails and you'll see ridges, uh, you'll see check marks, you'll see little white spots, which is almost always an indication of a zinc deficiency.

Yeah.

You'll see nails that get too weak.

You'll see nails that get brittle.

Um, so there's a number of things, but that's telling you a lot about your nutritional status and your mineral and your trace mineral status.

Uh, you, you look at.

If your cortisol levels are too high, the first thing that happens is you start accumulating fluid around the belly button, which looks like fat.

And as the cortisol stays high, because when we're under stress, the body perceives we're in a fight or flight situation, it begins to hold onto water because it thinks maybe we're going into a battlefield or a, a dangerous situation.

So people start gaining a lot of weight and they look swollen.

And so if you start seeing that your body is swollen, and then the other thing is when your cortisol goes up, it liberates, uh, blood sugar to prepare you to fight or flight.

But, but you know, we're, we're not running from a lion.

We're running from the fear that we can't pay our bills or, or that somebody's not giving us enough likes on Facebook or, so we keep creating all these lions and all these perceived threats, which the body perceives as just as real, as a legitimate threat because to the body, the mind is God.

So what you have is you have this repeated elevation of blood sugar, which then is followed by a blood sugar crash.

And so you have people whose pancreas is being worked to death and their blood sugar is going up, up and down all the time.

Well, that would be like if you had a little monkey under the hood of your car.

Changing the air gas ratio in your engine, making it very lean, which we can burn a hole right through a piston, and then making it so rich that you're just wasting tons of fuel and your exhaust is dark and stinky and you can smell gas coming out of the tailpipe.

So, or it would be like if someone, um, starts a raging fire in a fireplace, which would be high blood sugar, but then going low blood sugar is like someone's dousing the thing with water and your whole house is full of wet smoke.

Yeah.

So it's very stressful on the body.

And, and this is a, it's common as white bread out there.

I mean, I see this all the time.

You can look at the quality of your skin.

Are you having pimples?

Are you having various types of skin reactions?

How do your joints feel if you're athletic or you're doing physical labor?

Are you recovering?

Are your, is your muscles recovering and you're able to actually have good work tolerance each day?

Um, you can pay attention to your breath.

You, you can, uh, do something very simple.

You can stick your finger in your back of your mouth and swipe the root of your tongue and smell it.

And if it smells bad, it usually means you have bacterial imbalance in your body or that your body's outta balance.

Um, you can look at the whites of the eyes and see if the eyes are clear and the more tired people get, and the more deep toxic they get, the more cloudy their eyes get.

Uh, like these are just some of the things that, that should be taught to people, but they end up feeling really lousy.

And the first thing they do is they go to a doctor who gives 'em a drug who increases the toxicity in their body.

That covers up the symptoms that are there to tell you, Hey, you need to make changes what you're doing's not working.

So, you know, if, if you take what I've just said, the body's constantly telling you what the report card is on your diet and your lifestyle, but people keep drugging it instead of working with it, right?

So we have one love.

What do you love enough to change for, to grow for and become two, where are you outta balance with regard to the feminine nutrition, hydration, and the masculine, um, which is doctor movement and doctor happiness.

So, we'll get to the four, which is the four doctors.

The three is, there's only three choices you can make in relationship to any person, place, or thing, the optimal, which is the best for you and everybody involved in what I call your dream team, which is the people that are helping you.

For example, if your dream is to run a farm successfully, then I would say, well, everybody that works for you is on your dream team.

So if you make decisions that are disruptive to the dream team, like maybe you start getting, you know, a little carried away with alcohol and start showing up late to work and all your workers are going, well, I don't know what the hell to do today.

Or you forget to, you know.

Do specific things you gotta do to keep animals healthy or crop work or whatever.

You can destroy your whole dream, right?

So the four doctors can also be broken down into the six foundation principles, doctor, diet and doctor, quiet correlate to nutrition, hydration, and sleep.

Doctor happiness and DR.

Movement correlate to breathing, thinking and movement because most of the things that we do for happy making and movement are yang because they're utilizing more energy and resources per unit of time than they're cultivating a yin activity regenerates more energy and gives you more resources per unit of time.

For example, when you sit and have a nice meal and drink good water, you're actually bringing in a lot more energy and resources than it costs for you to sit there and have the meal, right?

But if it takes you 30 minutes to eat the meal, and we say the cost of running your body for 30 minutes relative to what the meal gave you, leaves you with a surplus.

Mm-hmm.

But then if I take you into the gym and work you out for 30 minutes, you'll leave with a deficit, which is why it's called working out.

Okay.

Because you're spending not gaining.

And, and that's another problem 'cause a lot of people that have all these problems that gain a lot of weight, start going to gyms and getting on exercise programs and they can't figure out why they're not getting lean or getting fit or getting strong because they don't have enough anabolic reserve to respond to the stress in their body, plus the exercise.

So you see people that actually go to the gym and get fatter and more tired and start having a lot of injuries because they're pushing themselves so hard now.

It's like they're redlining the whole system, but they think they're doing what they're supposed to be doing because we have an uneducated health and exercise system and they prob and they haven't sat down to good meals where they're actually replenishing and renewing and and and they're not getting enough rest, nutrition, and the rest.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the optimal choice is the one that's best for you and everybody involved in the dream team.

The suboptimal is the one that usually gives instant gratification, but causes trouble in the management of your dream and your dream team.

Then we have the third option, which is to do nothing if you've gotta make an an important decision, like should I get vaccinated or should I invest?

In this stock, or should I marry this person or take on this business partner or sell my business?

Um, if you don't have enough information to make an intelligent decision, then you should do nothing until you've gathered the information and you feel very clear that you're making the best possible decision.

So step one for do nothing is don't make a decision till you have enough information to make an an well-informed decision.

Application two, for doing nothing means if you're having an argument or a dispute with somebody that's you know, that you have a relationship with and you cannot stay connected at the heart and you're at risk of damaging the relationship, you should call time out and do nothing with regard to continuing this battle.

Mm-hmm.

Because you could damage the relationship indefinitely, and that can lead to a lot of stress in your life.

And it's not healthy and it's not a, a great way to live, uh, because you ultimately, you know, burn bridges everywhere you go.

So in that state, you call a time out and you say, look, I can't, I'm having a hard time staying connected at the heart.

I'd really like to come back to this when I can stay connected with you and I don't feel at risk of damaging the relationship, and you just gotta walk away.

The worst application of the do nothing option is apathy, which by definition means not to care.

Once a person gets to the point where they just don't care about important things in their life or about important people in their life, uh, they're, they're usually a, in a state of depression and b on the edge of suicide.

Um, and they're, you'd be surprised how many people are apathetic.

So getting to that point is very, very dangerous.

So it's the worst possible choice you can make because if you don't care, it means you're really not participating in life anymore.

You're not participating in relationships, you're not participating in, in taking care of yourself.

You're not interested in growing, you're not interested in learning.

You have a closed mindset, and you usually become codependent to others and or the government, and you're not really, um, supporting the world that's carrying the weight of you.

So it's a really a, a sort of a, it's a dead end road and it's not a good place to get to.

So we have the one love, we have the two forces we have to balance, and we have three choices to make.

And those three choices should be made in, in conscious awareness of the four doctors.

So if you take a living philosophy, if, if you take what your life really consists of and you say, if I reduce life down to.

The minimum that I must be conscious of, which I investigated this for years.

It turns out you have four categories.

One, what am I willing to do to create happiness for myself so I'm not codependent on other people or substances or external sources, such as media to create the sense of happiness so that I'm actually enjoying my life.

So Doctor Happiness is the chief physician because Doctor Happiness has to decide what is happy making for you.

And Doctor Happiness has to establish core values, and those core values have to be established for doctor movement, doctor diet, and doctor quiet, as well as happiness.

So Doctor Happiness is really all about what gives me a sense of connection and fulfillment in my life.

What gives me a sense of joy in relationship to myself and others?

What are the things that I can do from making music to art, to dancing, to singing, to playing with children, to creative pursuits that don't have an outcome attached to them that give me a chance just to really enjoy being.

You see, we're so caught in doing, we forgot this thing called being.

And if we don't have that sense of freedom, then again we, we get too overloaded.

We suffer control fatigue.

So doctor happiness must take responsibility for saying, what is happy making for me?

And what am I going to do to make that happen in my life?

And, and for me, for example, it's very important for me to have my morning routine from my spiritual practices, my prayers, my inner work.

And to have at least an hour a day to study things that feel nourishing to my mind and my soul.

Or I don't really want to engage the world.

I feel like I'm running on empty.

I don't, I feel like I don't have anything to share 'cause I haven't filled my own cup yet.

Mm.

And so, um, doctor happiness turns out at the end of the day to be very important.

'cause if you look at what most people do to medicate the fact that they're not happy in their work and their relationships, well, it turns out to be that not being happy in your relationship with yourself, your relationship with others in your relationship with life itself is probably the root cause of most drug use, most illnesses, most diseases.

So our culture has become so used to buying happiness in pills or.

You know, in external forms, it's lost its way with regard to how to create happiness.

And I, and I have to work with people to teach them how to do that.

Then we have to say, how much movement do I need to meet the requirements for baseline health?

Well, you know, most experts say you need at least an hour of exercise a day.

I say that depends on the intensity and the type of exercise.

So my general guideline is you need 30 to 60 minutes of movement a day, and that movement has to be of the right type and variety to give you the physical and physiological health and stability that it takes just to be a healthy human being, living in a field of gravity.

Okay?

Then with doctor movement, we have to say, well, what is your dream?

Well, if you come to me and say, my dream is to run my farm effectively and, and, and really do that without pain getting in the way and problems, then I have to say, well, okay, Charles, we're gonna have to get you in better shape this than just the average individual.

'cause the average individual's not moving hay bales and managing animals and equipment and tools and things that require some physical strength and, and some, you know, integrity of the body.

Mm.

So you're gonna have to have an exercise program that builds you up in the right movement patterns and gives you the right amount of strength, power, agility, speed, coordination, balance.

Endurance to fit that environment.

Okay?

Or you're gonna get injured.

It's just a matter of time.

If, if people use their physical labor as their exercise program, then day by day their body decondition until that's their maximum level.

So what happens is you take a guy who's really fit like I am, put me in a job, say as a policeman, but then I don't, I tell myself, I don't have time to exercise.

Well, the next thing you know, a couple of months later, I've lost all my strength 'cause I'm not training anymore.

And now I'm at the maximum level.

And the next thing you know, I'm in an altercation with someone where I gotta chase some guy down and I tear a hamstring or blow my back up.

So if we don't, my, my estimate is you should have at least 30% higher of a level of conditioning than your work or dream environment demands.

Or you don't have enough reserves to deal with the challenges that inevitably come when you don't get enough sleep or when you're traveling or when you have a crisis in your life or your family.

If you have a 30% reserve, then you have enough to make it through these things.

Um, and so these are real factors.

So in a nutshell with movement, you gotta have enough to keep yourself healthy, to meet the requirements of being a healthy human being.

In general.

And then you gotta have enough conditioning to deal with the environment that is conducive to your life, your dream, your work.

Then you have to look at food.

You say, okay, doctor diet.

Mm-hmm.

You, you have to have some ground rules there.

For example, all my patients are taught you will not do well if you don't eat clean organic food or better than organic biodynamic, uh, or various other systems.

Korean farming.

Some of these things now produce better food than classic organic farming.

'cause as you know, organic's now kind of been washed out, but the qual, the quality of the food is important.

And as you know, the food cannot be any better than the soil it came from.

So you have to seek out sources for well farmed, nutritious food, or you're going to chronically have problems and you will never be able to rehabilitate.

You repair your body on a daily basis.

You'll just go further and further into a deficit.

And one of the things I show in my book How to Eat, move, and Be Healthy to really drive this home, is I cite research by John Ardi, a PhD nutritionist.

And he showed that it takes 55% of the calories we eat just to run the machinery of the body to get the food from mouth to anus.

So if you eat.

A thousand calories, 550 of those calories are just to keep the lights on in the factory running before you can spend them on your exercise, your work, your joy, your play, your kids.

Does that include your brain function?

Yeah.

Thinking, well, it's not looking at brain functioning, it's looking at what does it take to digest?

Metabolize.

Assimilate.

Yeah.

Detoxify and eliminate.

So it just, running the factory of transforming food into body.

Mm-hmm.

And eliminating waste.

That's a lot of calories.

Basic ba the basic process survival.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Just the basic survival mechanism.

So, you know, for example, people don't think about this when they go on these low calorie diets and don't realize that they're actually putting themselves in harm's way.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, and what got 'em in trouble in the first place was that they were eating food that had such low nutrient levels in it, that by the time the body runs the machinery to get it from mouth to anus, it's actually going into a nutritional deficit.

Yeah.

Right?

Because you're not bringing enough nutrition to meet your, the factory needs as a metaphor, right.

So you're just, every meal you're going into a hole.

Um, you know, it is kind of like smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol too much.

Your body can only repair your lungs at a certain rate and detoxify that poison at a certain rate.

And your liver can only repair itself from the damage caused by alcohol and the toxicity caused by alcohol and your brain at a certain rate.

If the intake of a toxin is greater than the body's ability to detoxify and clean itself, then you end up with a disease is what you get.

So food, with food, we have to consider hydration.

The average person needs about half their body weight and ounces of water a day.

As a general rule of thumb, if you're in a metric, uh, system, you take your kilograms of body weight and multiply it by 0.033 to get liters of water a day.

So, so if you're a, if you weigh a hundred kilograms, you'd need 3.3 liters of water a day.

Sure.

Okay.

So that's an average.

I know a lot of people have come back to me and said, oh, well that's not accurate, because, you know, food's mostly water.

I eat a lot of vegetables, meat, even meats, 70% water.

That's until you cook it.

And I say, well, I got news for you.

Water is the chief solvent in nature.

It's the chief solvent in your body.

And water cannot do its work as water if there's anything in it.

Mm.

So everything that you just said to me has water and it has to go through the digestive process.

And that water is tied up in the food and it's loaded with chemicals, minerals, solutes of all sorts.

So my rule is if you cannot see through it, it does not count as water.

Tea has to go through the digestive process, Gatorade, coca, all these things, tea, soda, pop, all of that has to go through a digestive process.

So it's not actually adding the ability for your body to have clean water, to neutralize toxins, dilute toxins, and remove toxins and clean water.

If it's healthy water brings a lot of energy into your body and information that your body needs.

But once you put that water in food or you put it into various things, it's not water anymore.

It's now actually food.

It's not water.

Or it may not even be food.

It's chemical.

It's just chemicals.

And so, so my point is, is you have to have a high quality of food.

You have to have a high quality of water in the right amount of water, or you'll be in big trouble.

'cause even 1% dehydration of the central nervous system can cause significant psychological disorders.

And that's well documented by Dr.

Batman Gillich, who wrote the book, your Body's Many Cries for water.

Then we have to say, well, what is it that my body specifically runs best on as I show in my book How to eat, move, and be healthy?

This is all based on genetics.

For example, if, if your mother is, comes from an aboriginal, uh, let's say, let's say, just make it obvious, Eskimo culture, which is they eat 90% fat and protein, and your father is, comes from say, a desert region, where in India or a place where they have a higher rate of vegetarianism because they don't have access to big game.

You could be anything in between your mother and your father, but you're most likely to be what I call a variable type that has some degree of need for animal flesh, higher levels of saturated fat and cholesterol, and can also do fairly well with plants.

But depending, depending on the environmental stress, the internal stress, and the internal factors of the body, there's gonna be, like in winter, you're gonna need more fat and protein in animal foods for energy and thermo, uh, thermogenesis to keep your body warm.

But in the summer, you're gonna need, everyone's gonna need more plant foods and more water and cooling foods, for example.

You know, we all like watermelon in the summertime 'cause it's cooling to the body.

Now if you see, I am a, a, a, what I call.

A polar type because if you come from, if your parents or your lineage, particularly your parents and grandparents, if they come from anywhere in the world where the ground freezes in the winter, plants do not grow in ice.

So you cannot survive through the winter without eating animal flesh.

And so your genetics are designed and built around that reality because we are one with our environment.

In fact, wherever your mother was at when you were in the womb, your body was made out of the molecules that came from the environment she was living in.

Mm-hmm.

And that's scientific fact.

So your whole physiology, including your genetics, is actually heavily influenced by the epigenetic influences.

Okay.

So you take someone like me, see my, my roots are predominantly Als theran between France and Germany, which is a place that has a very significant winner.

So you put a guy like me on a vegetarian diet and it won't be long.

And there's gonna be real, serious health problems because I will not, people that have bodies that are more, uh, genetically driven for consuming flesh foods do not have a long enough intestinal tract and enough enzymes in their body to extract protein outta fiber.

But people who come from the regions like inland aboriginals, certain regions of India and places where there's not a lot of big game.

Research by Byron Robinson showed something quite fascinating.

He dissected hundreds of bodies from different regions of the world and he showed something that was quite shocking that most people are not aware of.

Even medical professionals, 'cause I've lectured on this all over the world.

He measured the length of what's called the tron, which is mouth to anus.

So the digestive tube from mouth to anus.

And he found that amongst heavy meat eating populations such as the Eskimos or native cultures that ate a lot of big game like, like you would see in, say Canada for example, and like in Vancouver Island or where it's cold in the winter, Alaska, they often had digestive systems that were as short as 22 feet.

Mm.

But in regions where they ate a lot of plant foods, they had as long as 42 feet.

Yeah.

Wow.

So he showed that there can be twice the length, most of which is the small intestine.

Well, what does that tell you?

The body needs more time to extract protein out of fiber, so it lengthens the factory.

Wow.

That's fascinating.

So it can pull it out.

And you will see the enzyme requirements for extracting protein out of fiber from plants are a lot different than the enzyme requirements for breaking meat down.

So people's bodies learn how to make and acquire enzymes to do the right.

Processes for the foods that they're environmentally, uh, genetically require requiring.

So then you start reading a bunch of diet books and eating in all sorts of ways that other people tell you to eat, but it's completely against what your body needs.

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