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Yo, this is br- And this is Lisa from Book Couples Counseling.

Hey everybody, this is David Harper from the comics interview podcast off panel and the comic sites sketched.

of this short box podcast.

and you are listening to the Oblivion Barre podcast.

The Oblivion Bar.

and you are now listening to the Oblivion Bar podcast.

Welcome to the Oblivion Bar podcast with your host, Chris Hacker and Aaron Knowles.

New York Comic Con, we doing today?

That was really good.

I'm not even asked to redo that again, but I do want to say if you guys, I want you guys to give yourself a round of applause for finding this room.

They put us in the dungeon this year.

It's all right.

It's all right.

All right.

By show of hands, how many of you are here?

Because there's chairs, it's quiet, and there's AC.

Me too.

All right.

I'm here too.

I kid.

Look, on behalf of the panel, um I want to give you guys a round of applause for being here.

Thank you so much.

means the world to us.

Welcome to the live comic podcast show at New York Comic Con, featuring the short box crossing over with off panel, crossing over with comic book couples counseling podcast, crossing over with the oblivion bar.

You No, it really does mean the world to us.

My name is Bodger Milligan.

I am the host of Said Short Box Podcast, one of the longest running weekly comic book talk shows.

It's also the only comic book podcast where you will hear the Jacksonville Jaguars ever mentioned in a comic podcast.

I'm pretty proud of that.

Also on my panel are some terrific, some of the best comic podcasters in the world, if you ask me.

To my right is David Harper, host of the comic website, Sketched, and the comic interview podcast, Off Panel.

Fun fact, the number one stilt man evangelist.

18 years in a row, baby.

1841, please.

Come on.

All right, sitting next to him is Brad and Lisa Gullickson, host of the Comic Book Couples Counseling Podcast, AKA the number one couple in comics, quoted by Tom Kam.

I'm always gonna remind them of that, right?

That's a hell of a flat.

since.

You Alright, and last but not least, sitting down there, holding down the floor, just looking goddamn handsome, alright, are the bad boys of comics.

hosts of the comic pop culture show Oblivion Bar.

Let's give Chris and Erin Knowles a round of applause.

All right, look, like I said, this is a live comic book crossover show in every sense of the word.

We each brought a piece of our shows.

I think what makes all of our shows unique, you know, we're all talking comics, but I think we all bring a certain perspective, background, a certain flair to the conversation.

And the goal of this live comic podcast show is to bring a piece of our show, the spirit of our shows to this and to make one amalgam, if you will, of a live show.

So what we're doing today is a journey through all of our shows, through different segments that we've all brought together.

And I just want to kick it off, all right?

And the goal is really to bring not only a piece of our shows to New York, but we're trying to show the ultimate demonstration of comic fandom and appreciation for this culture, which is why we're all here in New York, right?

So with that being said, this is being recorded.

We're gonna drop this, I know I'll drop it on my feed, the short box later this month.

I'll be sharing it with the crew as well.

We're also gonna do a live Q &A, so if you have questions at any point, if you'll raise your hand, my lovely wife will hand you a postcard, you can write it down, and we'll do some Q &A at the end.

How's that sound?

Sounds good.

All right.

With that being said, how about we jump into our first segment, hosted by the Comic Book Couples Counseling Podcast.

Dirty Laundry, Dirty Little Comic Secrets Revealed.

Take it over, Brad.

Who's familiar with Dropout TV?

Okay, all right, Dropout TV.

So how do we introduce our podcast?

By stealing another show.

We're gonna do Dirty Laundry.

Lisa, explain what Dirty Laundry is.

From each of the panelists, have collected a secret because on our podcast, we want to get to know comic book creators better and we want to get to know their secrets.

So um each of the panelists have submitted a secret and it's up to them to figure out whose secret is whose.

If you guys guess correctly somebody's secret, you get a point.

But if it's your secret and nobody guesses it, you get three So there will be a little time for some debate.

So if it's your secret, you're going to want to deflect because you're going to want those points.

And Lise and I have seeded this packet with our own secrets, but we don't win any points.

We just confuse the other panel.

That's right.

KS one thing I'm good at.

I am a master at debating.

Okay.

This is going to be interesting.

So the first secret is who on this panel once played the kazoo at the head of a parade through a mall to celebrate the life of a deceased superhero.

could that be?

Aaron, do you have a guess?

You.

I am very musical, that is true.

I do have a master's degree in music, but that's hardly a secret.

I'm very...

I do sing funerals and weddings, so if you guys are, you know, getting married or dead, you can call me...

was definitely leaning towards Lisa too, the musical angle seems like the right fit.

But would I put my own secret first?

uh Do you want us to believe that you wouldn't put the secret first?

think you're doing it's like a counter.

We're to- Let's Let's guess.

Bader, whose secret is this?

I was also leaning Lisa because she's the most musically talented out of all of us like ten times over.

But I'm getting the vibe that's not the case.

So I'm going go, I'm going go Aaron because he's a little, look at the smirk he's got right now.

Jump in.

He's whimsical, so that would make sense.

uh going Lisa.

I'm not guessing.

Correct.

Lisa.

Yeah.

Consensus.

else for Lisa.

So we don't have drinks to sip but uh you though the person who Played a kazoo at the head of a parade through a mall to celebrate the life of a deceased superhero.

Please raise your hand Yeah, they do.

RIP Cal L Clark Kent.

died and my shop had a parade through the mall of one of the big malls in Anchorage.

I walked through leading everyone with a kazoo.

It was in hindsight probably one of the more embarrassing things I ever did but I was like seven so I was really into it.

Actually David, it's still embarrassing at 40 something.

I killed it on that kazoo.

You have no idea.

Lisa is not the only talented musician.

uh have a kazoo in the crowd anywhere anybody have a kazoo?

know someone has to have one, Luckily somebody in this convention center has a kazoo.

I think we did ants marching, actually.

That's the proper way to send off Superman.

does that one go?

How does that one go?

Let's get a mouth rendition.

There was actually four of me for the rain.

Spare David from performing.

uh Second secret.

All right, this one, I hope the Statue of Limitations is passed.

Brad.

Who was once forgiven by Darwin Cook for stealing his artwork?

Who was once forgiven by Darwin Cook, rest in peace, for stealing his artwork?

Sure.

Was it a physical piece of artwork or a piece We're not saying We can't say.

I just want to say Brad was too quick to deflect.

I have to go with Brad here.

I do love Darwin cook.

Chris is also getting very red.

Now he's getting red.

Listen, I would open hand steal Darwin's cook, Darwin Cook's art from his table, him looking at me.

I wouldn't even try to hide it.

If he was still here, rest in peace, Darwin Cook.

No, my guess is actually gonna be you, Bodder, because I know you have an affinity for Darwin Cook and I points.

So I'm gonna go with, yeah, our moderator here.

And he's from Jacksonville with, if a good place taught me anything, it's you guys love stealing stuff.

They're known for stealing stuff.

think dirty do ball for nothing.

All right.

Dog.

What about you waiting on you?

You.

So, so we've got Wife or Bodder, I'm bothering it.

the person who stole from Darwin Cook but was ultimately forgiven by Darwin Cook, please raise your hand.

Oh my god.

That bandit.

me show you.

Okay, I got photo evidence.

The story behind this goes that uh I think I was like 18, 19.

Very, you know, uh I don't know, I was just getting into graffiti and spray painting.

And to make stencils, I would print out like images of artwork and I would create stencils by hand.

Donald Cook's style is, it is like deceivingly simple, but it also made for really easy stencils.

So I'd print out a bunch of his artwork, use it, I traced it out, spray paint it.

And I think this was uh my first MegaCon.

I went there and I was like, it'd be so cool if I actually made a Batman piece for Darwin Cook and gave it to him.

And this is just young thinking, just brashful thinking.

I went up to his table, expressed how much of a fan I was, and handed him this piece.

And I'll never forget the look of confusion on his face.

Like, I think I should sue you.

But.

I'm a lettuce slide.

Now he was like a stand-up gentleman.

He was like, this is amazing.

Thank you so much.

And he gave me an original, I think that's an original art of, what is it?

Parker.

Parker, thank you so much.

um Yeah, he was great.

And shortly after I got to cease and desist and never do that again.

oh So yeah, that was me.

I have my agents at your house right now stealing that art.

Go inside, he's moderating right now.

Go, go, go.

m On to the next one, the next secret.

Who taught Newt Gingrich the concept of manga?

What?

gosh, I know this one.

I've actually heard this story before, so I feel like I'm cheating if I say who this is.

Last, last please.

I'm going David.

Ooh, David.

Yeah, I'm gonna go David too.

Lock it in.

Okay, so we've got one David, you know, so we're gonna ask you last.

Okay, so.

Wait, wait, wait.

Can I ask the audience to scream it out?

Who do you guys think is the dirty secret on this one?

uh right.

Yeah, that's Brad.

You Yeah.

Did I tell you that story?

You've actually told me that story twice, which is really funny.

It's a great story.

Thank you.

Did he understand I listen to my friend's stories.

I'm not 100 % sure.

I was working for Barnes & at the time.

I was managing the Reston Virginia store.

He did a lot of signings.

I'm terrible at this.

You'd think as a podcaster, I know how mics work.

He did a lot of signings for the Reston Barnes & Noble.

And because I was the biggest guy, I was always his, like, you know.

Wrangler.

Yeah, security, Barnes and Noble security guy.

And one signing we set up next to the manga section.

And we're waiting for the crowd to come in.

And he goes, manga?

What's manga?

And go, well, Mr.

Gingrich, it's basically comics from Japan.

And he goes, And I taught him the concept of manga.

And now he's on volume four of freerun.

So he's really into it now.

He's so in the berserk.

You're like, and get this, you read it from right to left.

my god, my god.

Alright.

Where we going with the Pee Herman story?

I just wanted to caveat your story about stealing art.

Only because I had to check my notes to make sure that I wasn't gonna like give away one of my truth and lie or whatever, because I was under the impression that those answers were for something little...

we have modified yours so that it is true, so do not.

Nevermind.

I'll tell that story later.

say anymore.

Okay, so there are two secrets that have not been revealed yet.

Mine and Aaron's.

do we have three left?

Never mind, I take that back.

Okay, we have three secrets left.

Okay, here we go.

Who has been crowned champion of eating or for eating?

Who has been crowned a champion for eating?

Yeah.

All right.

He's an eating champion.

All right.

Like hot dog?

feel weird saying this because this feels like a judgmental statement and I don't know but Aaron He really gives off hot dog eating vibes.

uh energy.

That's fair.

That's fair.

I'm gonna go with David.

I'm gonna go to the counter.

Don't talk, don't attack my friend right now.

like to eat.

I'm gonna go with the least suspected person possibly.

I'm gonna go Lisa.

think Lisa might have a couple of eating comp championship belts on her.

Yeah, yeah.

The person who has been crowned champion for eating, please raise their hand.

oh do love you.

was a hot wing eating contest.

13, they were super hot.

And yes, I did keep them down probably about 30 minutes later.

No good.

Crap.

So this is the last two secrets.

It's between me and Chris Hacker.

So secret number one is who almost got into a fistfight for Timothy Zahn's honor?

And the other one is who frightened Will Wheaton so much he broke into a run?

So one is me and one is Chris Hacker.

actually feel like I know the answer to one of these, so I'm going to abstain, but I love these.

These are amazing.

I'm going zon with Chris.

Yeah, I'm gonna go Xon with Chris and Will Wheaton with Lisa.

Okay, will the person who got in a fist fight for Tiffany, Timothy Zahn's honor, please raise your hand.

didn't get into a fist fight.

I almost got into a fist fight.

And it was because the guy was being a little too forward with the guy who like basically created all of Star Wars lore.

So he was like getting way too pushy and on like from one panel to another.

I was like back up, gave him like one of these little chest extenders and we just kept walking.

I just like, I like grabbed Timothy's on by his shirt.

Sorry.

I like pulled him along with me through the crowd.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's be Bannerthron.

So the person who frightened Will Wheaton so much he broke into a run was me, but I think it was kind of Brad's fault because we were on like a crowded sidewalk in San Diego during Comic-Con and like a foot and a half away is Will Wheaton and his son.

And Brad is just standing there, doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, and we have a very like, I can't tell, you might not be able to tell sitting down, but there's a lot of height difference between the two of us.

didn't learn how to whisper until I was like 17 years old.

So I go.

Will Wheaton is right there.

And he flinches not at all.

And then go, Brad, Will Wheaton is right there.

And he's like, what?

And I go, Brad, Will Wheaton is right there.

And then he just runs across the street with his son.

Come on, Sal.

Let's go.

Hurry.

All right.

That's awesome.

Okay, we have an official winner.

David Harper, congratulations.

he wins everything.

Wow.

You can have a comic book about those counts with Penn.

And there's a definite loser is Potter.

Vodder, I'm sorry.

I the right of going next, don't I?

Absolutely.

Both that being said, let's go ahead and give Brad and Lisa round of applause for that segment.

Great way to kick it off.

Now moving along, next segment is taken over by our guy.

I do want to say one thing real quick.

For the most part, we did a good job of keeping our segments somewhat a secret from each other.

And I don't think you guys have seen the final deck except for maybe one other person on this crew.

But with that being said, I want to show you guys the next slide.

Which I'm going pass it to David to take over for this next segment, which I like to call the Off Panel Show.

David asked the question.

Why am I the Riddler?

Questions?

Riddler?

Question everything.

love it.

oh And for the record, I it on your Facebook page.

I was under the impression that David actually made this.

Very terrible.

never up as a lot of things.

I've never dressed up as the Riddler, but I love it.

That's amazing.

Actually, I think that was Evil Knievel.

think you modified my Evil Knievel.

Anyways, ah so yo everybody.

Welcome to the Off Panel Show.

And normally on my podcast, I go inside baseball with comics, with comic creators and people like this fine person up here, Patrick Brower from Challenger's Comics.

Yeah.

uh But today I want to take you inside the secret world of comic podcasters because you know There's a lot of stuff that we don't talk about and there's probably a reason why we don't talk about it's like the dumb inside baseball stuff And so I'm gonna be digging into that.

It's less of a game show It's more of just silly stuff and I want to start there's a fun thing I don't know why it's something that I do, but I'm very curious I've always wanted this and I've never actually asked them what they do one of the things I want to know is comic podcast We'll start with you, Brad.

So when you're testing your mic, do you have a mic test sound?

Is there a sound you do to do that?

We're our mics together because we do everything together because we're lovers.

Code of.

And yeah, it's not a sound we say something every time.

No, it's not just test.

It's this is an audio mic test.

This is an audio mic test.

This is an audio mic test.

This is an audio mic test.

And then she sings.

Every time I it's far better than the answers I actually thought I was gonna get.

It's so weird because we do the same exact- I do.

Okay, let's hear it.

can hit a high C, I can't do it.

I have no idea what she said.

Actually, it's funny we do we do like it's almost we do react we're like checkity check checkity check uh That's the vanilla ice-mike check I like.

You have to have something.

is yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo Okay, I am the most ridiculous person here because I don't even really I kind of say the word mop but it's really slow and I go mop mop and I just do that and it's funny because my wife Amber who's here I'll have my door closed but she'll be and she just hears mop mop as she's walking behind she's like David's about to start recording that's how she knows I love that It's like you got a weird Mothman King.

It's like, maap.

uh Another thing I think is fascinating is, ah you know, we've all been doing this for a long time.

Somehow, Bader has been doing this longer than all of us.

What is it, 2013?

I'm insane.

But you know during that time we've we've had people listen to our podcast everyone gloms on to different things and one of the things that I always find really fascinating is I'll run into people and they'll actually quote how I say things patron names during the uh at the end of my outro I'll say this one person's name where I just shout out Norbert and then another person's name I'll Tom Barnett and like a creator one time emailed me and it was just said Tom Barnett Norbert at the end of it Is there anything you all have been surprised that listeners have really glommed onto from your time podcasting?

I, the yo, I will hear yo, short box nation when people are trying to get my attention, but.

uh To answer your question, also a funny one, one day, Blythe, my wife, is also a long time podcaster too, and one day we were walking down the street, I think coming from an event, and someone was driving by and they go, yo, I love this show, I love the podcast, and my arrogant self was like, thank you, and he goes, no man, not you, her, everything is logistic.

yeah.

That's amazing.

What about you guys?

Anything that surprised you?

We have a similar outro thing where every now and again someone will ask us, why do you say electronically every time at the end of your show that way?

And it's because I like to say electronically the same way every time.

And we don't pre-record our outros.

Our outros are recorded every time.

And I say that word at the end, follow the podcast electronically the same way every time.

Isn't it funny how after you've said something for so long that one way, it's like you can't not say it that way.

do have people at conventions come up to me and talk about the state of their marriage or their recent divorce.

And a thing that I get a lot is people go like, I wish my partner read comics, which makes me sad, because I wish your partner read comics too.

I thought this was a counseling show.

What's going on?

The comics are counseling us.

What about you, Chris and Aaron?

I think it's that people almost immediately know that Aaron, like they know that Aaron's role is the bounce off guy.

He's the funny, like sort of the secret sauce of the show.

I don't do shit.

I'm the straight man.

They know that almost within the first five minutes.

They always, when we talk about the show, they're often being like, you know, I was really enjoying this conversation with, you know, Jason Fabbach.

We released episode with Jason Fabbach today.

And they'll be like, oh, Aaron always comes in and sort of brings in that like almost like POV sort of representation, right?

I'm the one asking like, what's your process?

And all these like very in-depth questions.

that I'm sure that are annoyed hearing.

And Aaron's usually like, so like, my kink is she-hawk, well, what's yours?

know, like something like that, you know?

So it's very like off the wall, keep things very spicy and sort of fresh, you know?

I love it.

I love it.

like, you like, for DO, do you use stick or like a body wash?

What type are you guys?

Yeah, I like to ask in the moment stuff, I love the fact that Chris covers the process and we both kind of hit the artists and these creative teams with this, uh don't know, our dynamic allows them to kind of relax in whichever environment they feel comfortable and that allows them to give a little bit more into the process, not just about like, you draw first and ink it, no, it's like, this is emotional.

And when you get artists that like, that tell you about emotions, it makes you feel good.

I feel like if you have a two person show, you always have to one person that's order and the other person who's chaos.

I don't really know who's order and chaos for...

I do.

I do with these two.

Lisa is the funny guy.

She's the color commentator and Brad is the straight man.

Ha ha ha.

Though, like, in life, I'm actually the chaos.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no.

I mean the reverse of that.

well made.

I'm more ordered when it comes to the show.

You think so?

terms of prepping.

terms of prepping, yeah, yeah.

But you're also like, you are the funny person.

You are the wild card.

Alright?

I'm definitely the planner of ours.

the planner.

I agree.

messy one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're mess.

Well, speaking of chaos.

Shirt.

There you go.

So I have a question for the co-hosts in particular because they know each other better than anybody.

And I want to know who is the most nervous or intimidated or excited or whatever you've ever seen your co-host.

Lisa, what about Brad?

Because I feel like he probably gets pretty jacked about some guests.

Stan Stachai was a big deal the first time.

You were really nervous.

Brad, did you weep?

I did not cry, but I was incredibly nervous.

And I think also the first time Todd McFarland was on the show.

I was very stressed.

And then by the fourth time I was like, Todd, I have other guests.

Humble brag.

I said a tight 40 Todd, let's go.

I only asked one question.

What are we doing here?

What about with Lisa?

a dance lot and the all-roads.

Yeah.

I think, yeah, you're pretty cool.

You don't get to...

So funny.

One of the funniest things about when like different podcasts have the same guests at the same time you'll see things where like we all bring our own flavor to it and like Lisa spent like the whole time talking about the monkeys with the all-rids which is really funny.

I think you are, you don't get nervous necessarily, but afterwards you have like the social anxiety like that was terrible.

I'm definitely like the flinchy one yesterday We did a panel with porn sack pitch a show and I feel like I hugged him too intimately And I've been like flinching ever since like I really got in there and got a really good hug So he's a great writer you guys For Erin and Chris, Erin, I know that your answer is Treadmoor, what is your answer, Chris, is your answer for Erin?

We got to interview Amy Jo Johnson live at San Diego, or not San Diego, Chicago C2E2, there it is.

we asked her, to Erin's credit, he actually emailed Amy and was like, hey, would you like to do an interview with us?

And to her credit, she said yes, but we got to do it in person and you got to come to our hotel.

And I was like, please.

And then, so we go there and we're sort of sitting this, not even in a room like this, just like in a hallway.

And Erin and I are sort of like, mentally trying to help each other calm down, I think.

And I think we calmed down as the conversation went on, but I could definitely tell just, and maybe it's because we don't often do shows together, but I could see the nervousness on Aaron's face when we were doing it.

And I was nervous too, I'm not just saying it was him.

But yeah, it was definitely Amy Jo Johnson.

accurate.

I mean, Thrupple, I think was some was conversated at some point, but I think she ended up denying the claim.

like Tommy was a good enough for you absolutely confess his childhood love, his ongoing love for her.

to do it.

have to do it.

I was so nervous simply because, ah again, we don't normally do our interviews in person, so it was really hard to be like, OK, you're going to come to my hotel and interview me.

OK, where am I supposed to do this?

And so I tried to find a quiet balcony place, and this was like a couple hours before.

Then it started getting busy by the time she was ready to do her interview.

So then we found a little quiet alcove where it was amazing tables, chairs.

We moved furniture.

And then all of sudden, random couples started looking at the art in this hallway.

was just like every single thing just made me Because this is really the first.

conversation I scheduled by myself and I'm like I'm ruining everything.

And Aaron has a schedule of conversation since Yep, that's the one.

It was a big one.

It was a biggie.

All right, and I think that wraps us up for the off panel show.

Let's give David Harper a round of applause.

All right.

Moving on, we're moving on to the oblivion bar segment of the show.

And they actually came up with a really cool game that I want to.

I'm going to disconnect for a quick second.

Bear with me.

OK, this is going to be kind of hard for us to see.

wow, they have their own presentation.

Yes, the whole separate one.

don't want to ruin it.

I carts.

uh Or I can just do this.

Oh, he's on the move.

oh I get to sit next to Potter.

Alright, okay I guess I can do that.

Yeah, take a...

not be the planner of this team.

Yeah, common sense.

This is way better.

Hello, everyone.

We're going to play a quick game called Who's That?

Greetings!

I'm gonna suck.

then we have of course Aaron.

Aaron, you just harden.

Winky face.

Okay, number one.

I don't know why I'm holding this.

Number one here.

Go ahead and give me a raised hand if you know who it is, okay?

Basically, here's the rules.

I'm gonna give you three hints.

If anyone knows in the crowd...

I think the crowd should yell it out so you guys can actually see the screen.

If you answer a question in the crowd correctly, you will get...

We'll a Phantom Road number one Christian Ward Oblivion Bar cover.

hint number one.

21 Eisner nominations.

What was it?

No, but you're in the right track.

Number two.

There you go.

Third hint was Rabbit Bodyguard and it is Stan Sikai.

It's dance the kai ma!

We got that.

Pokemon font.

It is.

This is all themed in who's that Pokemon.

Yeah.

Okay number two here we have hit number one first African-American editor at Marvel Comics.

for Priest.

Yo, green hoodie right here came from- Give it to green hoodie.

and it's incorrect.

Jim Owlesley.

Well, the next one is Jim Owsley, pseudonym.

There you go.

You You can't out nerd the nerd.

Hey, co-creator of Static Shock, of course, it is Christopher Priest, one of Aaron's favorite interviews on the show.

Prince by the silverware.

uh You mean the artist formerly known as Prince?

That's right.

Alright, number three here.

hint number one, military brat.

I know it's kind of broad.

That's a good, yeah, that's you.

Started a career as an editor and English language adapter of manga.

Good guess, no.

Kelly Sue.

Yes.

Bing, bing, bing, bing, Harper for the win, ladies and gentlemen.

was Avenging Spider-Man number nine.

Of course that's the sort of reinvention of Captain Marvel in modern day, but yes it is Kelly Suttikhanik.

Only in here at Comic Con could you have a hint like that.

Alright, number four here.

I have feeling you guys are gonna get this one really quickly.

Hint number one is in-betweener for Popeye and Betty Boop.

Yeah.

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

Jack Kirby also had a couple synonyms as well.

And then we have Marvel, most seriously, Father's Fantastic Four, The Lost Adventure, a story built on the abandoned artwork of Fantastic Four 103.

Yes, it is King Kirby.

That is the nerdiest hint I've ever heard.

love it.

God damn.

All right, number five is the last one here.

Tupac.

Sorry.

All right.

Get it from the picture.

Right.

Talent Showcase number 19 from 1985.

First, this is his first work.

It's a hem.

There you go.

There's a big one.

Good guess now.

You know who it is?

Darwin Cook.

There it is.

We already talked about it.

Darwin Cook.

Batman Beyond, of course.

He worked on a lot of the cells, of course.

And then Parker, Selena's big score and the new frontier.

is one of the all-time greats, Darwin Cook.

So there you go.

Who's that?

Comic creator.

Let's give round for Chris and Aaron.

you guys can go online and are like Spotify, Apple, whatever, you want to leave us a five star review.

Here we go, here's a fish.

Never a missed moment.

Never a missed moment everybody.

No, we could do that.

Let my Ditko Spider-Man survive.

Yes, sir.

Alright, enough of shame, let's play.

We promise.

This is truly a panel of podcasters.

Okay, big shout-outs to Chris and Aaron for that fun game.

My segment is gonna be short and sweet because I want to save time for some Q &A, which by the way, if you have a question, you'll raise your hand, Blythe will walk around with...

Okay, my segment is gonna be short and simple.

It's called Holy Hot Takes Batman.

I figured We're among our people here.

We can share our deepest, I mean we shared our deepest, darkest laundry for everyone to hear.

I admitted that I stole artwork.

uh But I figured I would like to hear a comic book related hot take from everyone that you feel comfortable sharing in front of these thousands of people, for our folks listening at home that can't see the thousands of people that showed up for this panel.

And I want to start, you know, we'll start with David and we'll work our way down.

David, give me your comic hot take.

All right, my hot take is, and please don't post this online because this will result in a discourse.

It happens all the time anyways.

I personally do not believe that there is a wrong place to start in comics.

I think there are better places to start, but I think that we spend a lot of times talking about how there's a right and wrong place, and I think it makes it confusing on people.

So uh I started with uh random Transformers comics from the 1980s, and I like the Transformers, and that's all I needed.

And so next thing you know, I was reading Extinction Agenda and uh Executioner's Solve.

from the X-Men.

Did I know who Stripe was or who Cable was?

Kinda.

I didn't know that they were clone brothers or whatever, but I figured it out through context.

yeah, I think we spend too much time talking about the right place to start and we make it confusing on people.

Is that a hot take?

I feel like it's a hot take.

People argue about it a lot.

You can start with Watchmen.

You probably should, but you could.

Anyways.

Alright Brad, what's your hot take?

You can't even get it out, you're giggling so hard.

Um, well first I want to say that this is just how I feel and I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum, you know, however you experience comics is on you and I'm happy that you experience comics that way.

And this is like a terrible place to admit this at a New York Comic Con, but I honestly feel like we spend way too much time talking about the collectability of comics to the point where it keeps comics as an immature medium.

Comics are as valid a storytelling medium as any other.

And we mostly spend time talking about how much this comic went for for that much.

I hate it and I hate CGC.

I hate slabbing.

When you put a comic in a coffin, you rob it of its function and it's no longer a comic.

And I think I just want to talk about what is actually valuable about the comic, uh which is the contents of the comic.

Preach.

Hear, I mean, I'm also a hypocrite because I bag and board my comics.

I'm very proud.

I've sold comics.

I paid for a vacation by selling comics.

But I also lived through the 90s and I know that I'm not going to get anything for all my polybag books and my chromium covers, even though I thought I was going to pay for my college education.

warm I also don't like slab comics, but botter gave me a 4.5 of the second appearance of stilt man yesterday Great for the second appearance of still man Low grade better than no grade, baby.

If you love comic collecting and you love it, awesome.

That's awesome.

Don't listen to my judgments.

No, that was- That being said, do have a CGC witness in the back if you guys want to get anything graded while you're here today at the panel.

Yellow labels are available.

All right, Lisa, what about you?

your hot take?

I've been asked this question many times and I've really racked my brain about it and I've finally come to the conclusion that I find comic book hot takes cold.

So there is a great and rich history of debating in comic book culture and while I understand that a lot of people enjoy that a lot and they love to get into it and there is something to like, you know, like try to change my mind, you know, go for it.

And to me, I don't find winning a conversation, winning or losing a conversation particularly fun.

um The idea that you can have a wrong take that might get you excluded, think, comes across as a little bit toxic.

And I feel like it's not particularly welcoming.

And so the comic book conversations that I'm curious about and excited about are the ones that come from a place of curiosity and love and not from I'm right and you're wrong and come at me.

And if you have a...

take where everybody wants to treat you like Flynn Rider and pull you out and pull out swords and stab you you should probably do some self-examination.

That's my hot take.

was fantastic.

I loved that.

All moving down the line, Chris, what about you?

What's your comic hot take?

Okay, I don't know if this is really necessarily a hot take and more of just like a biased opinion.

So you guys can let me know in the crowd or here on the panel.

But I firmly believe that Trad Moore is one of the all-time greats.

Like undeniably, I'm not gonna rank him here, but.

people fighting you on that?

m I think some folks do.

It's weird because he is, I think he is the singular voice of our generation, of our generation.

uh I think he deserves to be in the conversation with folks like Jack Kirby, Wally Wood, Darwin Cook, uh know, Alex Toth, folks that changed the medium in a very significant way.

And maybe it's not known to us right now, but we're going to look back on Trad years from now when he decides to do something else with his career, with his art.

and think, man, we really had something special.

So that's my hot take.

That's solid right there.

All right, Aaron, what about you?

um I think that Big Barta is undersold.

beeper on that one.

you go a little deeper onto that one?

Nope.

uh you Okay, my comic hot take.

ah Is that I want to see more recap pages at the beginning of every comic especially like a serialized one like a monthly comic Just because you know I'm someone that ends up buying a lot or reading a lot and sometimes I'd be forgetting stuff right and a helpful little Paragraph telling me what happened in the last issue would be fantastic I feel like some publishers are doing that but not enough also on that same page Why not put a picture of the creators?

You know put our let's put a picture of the you know, something small so we can put face to name.

I think one thing that I think we're all really good at is spitting out these names.

But when you come on the con floor and I'm guilty of it, I don't know what they look like.

You know, I'm having to like really kind of like search or I don't know how many times maybe I've walked by a creator that maybe I'm the biggest fan of and I just don't know what they look like.

And I think we could do a better job of putting at least their face forward a little more.

So that way, you know, they're just more...

um recognizable and memorable.

the credit, I think it'll go a long way in terms of crediting creators as they should be.

And not just the writer and artist, but I'm talking like the whole team.

The colors, the letters, even the editors I think should also get a little shine as well.

Just speaking on that, Bada, really quick, I agree with you 100%.

I think, like, on social media, I don't know if anybody here has any pull within the Big Two or any publisher at that, but I think that when you post artwork on social media for a character for, like, let's say Batman Day or something, credit the artist when you post the work online.

Like, why are we not giving Jorge Jimenez his flowers, even though he's already, like, the hottest person here at the con?

Yeah, we can't put his picture in there everybody will pass out when they see it.

Just mention his name in the post.

All you have to do, it's super easy.

Okay, fantastic.

All right, y'all.

That actually brings us to the last segment of our show with just a little more.

than 15 minutes left.

I want to get into a Q &A segment.

So what we did was we reached out to our individual shows and audience and listeners and asked for some questions as well.

And then obviously we've got some questions from you guys here in the crowd.

I wanted to prioritize the ones that we got here live and then try to work in some of the ones from our listeners if we can get to them.

uh I'm going to start off, there's no name on this one, but while I kind of go through this, how about we kick off with this question here?

um What is a new comic you wish more people would check out?

And I'm gonna work reverse this time.

Aaron, I'll start off with you and Chris if you guys wanna go.

What is a new comic you wish more people would check out?

Well, that's like the newest comic book reader uh in this group.

uh This is a thing that Aaron's been saying since we started the show.

Every time we talk about something, Aaron's like, well, as a new comic book reader.

And I'm like, well, of us two, you're always going to be the newest comic book reader.

Anyway, go ahead.

say recently that the first thing that comes to mind is Superman Lost.

I don't think enough people gave Superman Lost the flowers it deserved.

uh As somebody who deals with PTSD on a daily basis, the representation of those traumatic like symptoms and consequences that Superman exhibited in that book, and I got to tell Christopher Priest this, it almost brought me to tears, was the simple fact that the representation I felt there was so powerful, like, I had never read a Superman line, like, book before, because it just never really related to me.

I will never forget that book.

That will be my favorite Superman storyline, simply because of the vulnerability and the humanity that Superman showed as dealing with that PTSD.

So I highly recommend it to anybody.

If you know anybody that's been through a traumatic event, if you know somebody that knows somebody that is a partner of a traumatic event survivor.

and they read comics, recommend that one to them, because it is, I don't know, it's like freeing.

It helped me even talk about my own issues, to be honest.

ah I had a couple that popped in my head immediately.

I have like one A, one B.

uh Will McFarrell's in.

David and I, and obviously we've all talked about it with each other.

think it's an incredible story.

ah But also I want to give a very significant of highlight to FML by Kelly Sudakonic and David Lopez.

uh It's, I think it's like.

It's the comic for me.

When I'm reading it, I'm like, gosh, it feels like Kelly Sue dipped into my brain and just went, this is what you want.

Here it is.

It's so much fun.

The art is incredible.

David's contribution to that story is equally as important as Kelly's.

And it just works for me.

I think it's up to issue six now.

each issue has been so immaculate.

So yeah, FML.

um I'm going to say spectrum.

by Dave Chisholm and Rick Quinn.

If you are a music nerd, this is a comic for you.

It kind of reminds me, I've said this before, Brad says I shouldn't say it, but I say it anyway.

It's kind of like Sex Criminals for Virgins, where they listen to music or create art and by doing so they enter this parallel universe where all of this stuff is happening.

uh Dave Chisholm is an amazing artist.

artist.

um Rick Quinn is a little bit of a comic book outsider, but I think that that's to his advantage.

It's a really different sort of book.

And if you're like uh a person whose brain lights up by like solving puzzles or like making connections, it's a really great and fun comic.

Six issues and it's awesome.

Yeah, Trade Paperback is out now.

Chris, when you were talking about Tradmore, I was thinking also about Junie Baugh.

I think Junie Baugh is like one of the great cartoonists working today.

Boy Wonder, if you want, like a superhero thing.

But Monkey Meat, there's two volumes of it from Image Comics.

uh The Summer Batch is the one that just wrapped up.

I'm also about to have a Trade Paperback.

It's an extremely funny comic, but it's an extremely angry comic.

It's talking very much about playing at Earth right now, it's talking about capitalism and colonization and all the awful stuff, but doing it in such a vibrant creative way, it's an addictive read.

And I don't think enough people read Monkey Meat.

ah And yeah, get that in your hands.

Thank going to cheat.

have two answers.

One, uh I normally would say Xander Cannon's Kaiju Max here, and he's not making that anymore, so I can't say it.

So instead, I'll say Xander Cannon's Sleep, which is his image series.

It's an eight-issue mini-series about a man who goes to sleep and becomes a monster that ravages his town every single night, except for you only see the parts where he's awake.

And so he's dealing with the ramifications of his actions and just seeing the city or the town destroyed.

It is amazing.

It's easy to sleep while sleep on because it's in black and White and Xander.

I love him.

Has never been the most commercial creator and he deserves it.

Kaiju Max is a masterpiece.

Sleep is incredible.

And then the other one I'm gonna say really quick is Do Admit by Mimi Pond.

It's a new graphic novel from Drana Quarterly.

It's a 444 page graphic novel about these wild women, British women who are friends with Hitler, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr.

and a whole bunch of other people throughout history.

And it is one of the best graphic novels I have ever read.

And I just wrote about it for sketch with Oliver Sava.

So I highly recommend if you want to change a pace, autobiography slash biographical fiction or nonfiction, that is one of the funniest books of 2025.

It's amazing.

Hell yeah.

All I've got two as well.

cheat.

I'll give one manga and then uh one comic.

I guess they're both comics, but uh the manga one I'll give is, technically came out in 2023, but it goes by Kagura Bachi.

I'm probably butchering the name.

I apologize.

It is illustrated, written by Takuro Hokuzano.

Once again, I apologize.

But it follows a young boy who is the son of a famed swordsman.

The swordsman creates these amazing swords that are enchanted with magic.

He creates seven blades.

He gets murdered by a group of wizards for like better terms and the son that goes on a revenge tour To get back all of the blades from these six wizards that killed his father He holds the seventh blade which is like the best blade out of all of them.

It is high Octane action.

I mean it is in his drawn it wonderfully as well The concept is really cool between like, you know This like Yakuza style mob wizard group and the magic realm aspects of it is awesome and then in turn of the other one.

Having a chance to interview Kyle Starks, he got me on to Where Monsters Lie, which volume three just wrapped up Kickstarter campaign, so it should be coming out soon.

But the whole premise is that all of your favorite horror tropes, the slasher, the...

I mean, every horror trope that you could think of.

gated community for Slasher.

Yeah, but they get infiltrated and found out and uh you know hell breaks loose within the gated community It's up to volume 3.

It's drawn wonderfully and I am NOT a horror guy at all I am very squeamish but this comic is just so fun and Kyle Starks injects like this humor this humanity to it and just such an interesting perspective in terms of like the whole horror trope so where monsters lie and can go Kagura Bachi manga with that being said let me move on to our next question I want to get into um uh a podcasting question here.

that is, actually, let me go, which one do want to do?

How about this one?

How do you balance podcasting of your day jobs, if it is your day job, how that happened from Adam Rek of Battle of the Atom?

shout-outs to Adam.

uh David, I think this will be interesting question for you to take first, considering your recent transition into doing your podcasting full-time.

I am a full-time comic podcaster and comics journalist.

Woo!

Yay!

And it's going really well.

uh Step one, get laid off.

uh Step two, do this for a very long time and hope you have an audience.

And step three, trust in the comics community because they're amazing.

And it's going well so far.

uh yeah, mean, the key is putting yourself out there.

And honestly, like I've said this many times, listen to Brad and Lisa.

They are the best in the game of promoting themselves.

I am a virgin who has no idea how to do anything besides record one podcast and people seem to like it, but they are so good at promoting stuff.

Also, do ...

I can't believe I'm saying this.

I'm going to betray you two.

These two are right.

Do video.

Video is actually very helpful.

I'm sorry.

Got you.

Got you.

All right, Brad and Lisa.

I hate video.

We all hate video.

We just do it.

We have to do it.

Lisa, how do we balance life and podcasting?

Well, I used to be a classroom teacher.

I only did it for five years, but it was making me miserable.

As much as I loved the kids and I loved my subject, I was teaching music, um I just couldn't do it anymore.

So I switched to being a freelance music teacher, which I go to people's homes and I teach music and then I also sing locally.

And with that job, I can make my own schedule.

uh and I can move things around.

So I think me switching to freelance so that I could prioritize these other things I wanted to do was really huge for me.

Also, I'm just happier.

Also, we're child free.

Yeah.

All money goes to us.

That's Yeah.

The only thing I would add is like, know, um we love it.

And that means we're happy spending every waking second that's not already devoted to comic book couples counseling, doing comic book couples counseling.

Yeah.

And that's not healthy necessarily, but we love it.

do.

ah Yeah, what's a balance?

How do you want to that one?

do anything.

ah It's really tough, honestly.

It's one of those things where I think the goal at the beginning of the Oblivion Bar was to get as big as possible, get as many ear holes and eyeballs as possible, and that's just no longer the goal.

think we're at a point now, I think, in the show's history where we're very happy with the quality, not only of each other, but with the guests and the show and everything, where...

Social media doesn't matter.

Engagement's great.

Of course, we want that.

But it's not the most important thing.

I think at the end of the day, it's putting on a show that not only you enjoy doing, but with folks that you enjoy being around.

balance is hard.

It's not something I can sit here and tell you, this is how you balance it correctly.

You have to of find that within yourself.

And as someone who, he's recently retired from the Army.

I still obviously work full time.

So it's tough.

But.

We make it happen because we love comics and shout out to Zach here in the crowd here, Zach Quainton's.

I still steal from him all the time, so I have to give him credit now that he's here.

uh Comics demand our participation.

We have to put the good into it.

If we want this thing to keep going, we have to be the ones to put the good into it.

uh I know it's a cliche, but it's like they say do what you love and you won't work a day in your life and like the thing is is it's a lot easier if you build something you love and the work-life balance it's like, know shout to Adam Adam has a great podcast battle the atom and uh They do a great job and it's a lot easier when you can make something that you're proud and happy doing every single day and that doesn't answer the work-life balance, but it makes it a little bit easier Chris to do the job That's the majority of it.

ah But also, it's just the fact of, again, the work-life balance.

Because not only do we have to think about each other's schedule, but I have to think about my wife's schedule.

We have to think about the guest schedule.

So when you're working and you're fighting three or four different scheduling appointments and timelines and calendars, it gets crazy.

So what I try and get Chris and I to do is constantly do the specific things that we can do regularly at a specific time during the week, because I need that transparency for my week.

uh And then, yeah, we're trying.

to where I can take some of the toll of the show off of his shoulders.

So I gotta learn things.

I learn things by repetition.

He learns things by just doing it.

Blunt force.

He just hit his head against the wall.

So I need repetition.

it's really good.

It's communication really.

Especially if you have a multi-person podcast.

Communicate, be open about it.

We have a quarterly uh come to Jesus moment with each other.

So, and we really have to put everything out there because if we don't, we'll start tearing each other's head off.

And you know, I'm gonna piggyback off of Aaron's remarks which I thought were great.

uh As someone that's been doing this for 13 years, the minute I started building out a process, I know it sounds super kind of corny to think process and all that, but it'll go a long way if you can build out a process where it's plug and play, where you know this is the program I use, if you can build out templates, it goes a long way.

The less brain power you have to do in terms, because podcasting is, that pipeline is insane.

Scheduling, recording, editing, posting, Promoting and then it's right back.

You know it's just like it's a sick It's a cyclical cycle that can break you down very easy and you know going 13 years.

It's like Lean into the process build out a process that makes it as easy as possible Where you're not having to like you know assert too much brain power into like the very minutiae things that you can figure it out And shout out to the partners who literally made for our.

I'm sorry, real quick before I forget.

And then also, do you know what the average number of downloads, for all my podcasters out there, do know what the average number of downloads for a show that has been posted in the first seven days?

It's 30.

30 downloads is the average of, this is from a sample pool of like over 150,000 podcasts.

30 downloads does not sound like a lot.

But if you consider that there is about, I don't know, let's say for audio listeners, it's over 2,000 people in this panel room.

But for everyone else, there's about 40 to 50 people here.

Like, 40 to 50 people in a room that you're talking to that are like listening and attentive and absorbing your message, that's powerful stuff.

So don't get tied up into like, you know, defeating yourself by looking at the numbers can go down a weird rabbit hole.

And I think you gotta always stay in perspective.

So with that being said, we don't have much time.

I wanna go through these next ones, lightning round if you don't mind.

to shout out to the partners for being patient with us because sometimes our interview, all the time our interviews run long.

So thank you.

I want to actually pull from some of the listener submitted questions.

Starting with this one I've got on screen from Gianni Palumbo.

oh for the whole panel, who are your dream creators to interview alive or past and why?

I'm just gonna go in and say Mobius.

I think what that dude is, you when you look at his stuff, it's like, I just wanna get inside the mind of Mobius to figure out like how he came up with some of the things that he's drawn in his perspective, I think would be a fascinating conversation.

Brooke and Robin Lopez, twins that play in the NBA, they're big comic nerds and one of them likes beating up NBA mascots and I want to know why.

uh Dead Darwin Cook and Jack Kirby, alive Alan Moore.

I would never have Alan Moore in the podcast.

He scares me too much.

I know he is scary.

ah I'm also going to say Alan Moore though because that is our goal.

We know we've really made it when we met Alan Moore on the podcast.

ah I'm going to say Jesus Christ.

I I'm over the listing.

Oh, dang.

Jesus Christ, who's your favorite Spider-Man?

Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield.

Who's the best Chris?

Okay, for me, alive it is uh Chris Evans, James Gunn, Jim Lee.

um I would have said Brian Gayvon.

Shout out to David, he got that, he made that happen.

um Dead, Darwin Cook, and Jack Kurtz, sorry, yeah, same answer.

Aaron, go ahead.

Mila Jovovich, uh self-explanatory.

uh And then Jim Lee, so I can apologize for giving him a copyright stolen shirt that I made of Batman.

I can't wait to get my absolute Jesus Christ number one in the mail.

I was just gonna say, guess I didn't pick my deceased one.

Mike Waringo.

I absolutely love his art.

And when I was growing up, he kind of made me realize that I liked a certain type of art that I didn't see in the world as much.

And I think you see it a lot in like Chris Somany and Doc Schaener and a lot of people like that.

And yeah, Waringo's amazing.

I guess I didn't choose my dad because Jesus is back!

You He's risen.

Okay, I think we'll wrap up with this question since we brought him, David, you brought him up on the panel.

This question is from Cameron Norbert.

He asked, what is a comic, and we'll end on our fields, right?

Something emotional.

What is a comic that left an emotional mark on you that took you by surprise?

The type of book that still serves a visceral feeling in you years later.

I'm gonna start out at the end of the table this time.

Aaron, how about you take it away?

Ooh, I mean, I'd still go with, you know, Superman Lost, simply because, again, that's, the most emotional one that I got.

As far as, like, podcasting people that kind of brought it out, I'm gonna talk about you guys, Brad and Lisa, the episode, their Invincible series they did.

I was literally listening to that, driving to New York Comic-Con one year in a box truck full of comics, listening to that episode, and I was just...

Honestly, like, it brought me to tears, because I was thinking about my relationship and struggles with my own self and the things I was going through, my trauma.

So that was...

If you guys ever want to listen to that episode, is one of the most, I don't know, it's crazy.

Thank you.

Chaos.

So in terms of feelings, I've already talked about it.

In by Will McFrail.

It's a journey, I'll tell you.

was an artist through, is it the New York Times, everybody?

Yeah, New York Times artist, cartoonist.

he just, this story is a roller coaster of emotion.

And I don't even really want to say much about it.

I feel like I would be robbing you of this experience.

I will just say that like I was on a plane to for a work expo my day job and I cried I laughed I cried again like all the things so in it's in.willmcfrail My all-time favorite comic book run is the dance slot Mike Allred Silver Surfer.

And over the course of that comic, you get an entire romantic relationship from meet cute to, um spoilers, um one of the partners dying of old age.

And what I love about that comic is one, it really had me thinking about.

my husband's mortality and how it is a responsibility to go on.

But also it gave me this turn of phrase which is the infinite all in.

And what the infinite all in is is when you enter a relationship with someone, it can be any kind of relationship, can be a friendship, it can be a romantic relationship, but.

Relationship is always going to end with someone being heartbroken because either you break up or you hit the finish line and one of you dies unless there's some kind of a massive accident.

Odds are either you're going to be the person who's heartbroken or you're the person you love the most is going to be the person who ends up heartbroken and the fact that we find that worth it every single time and our entire existence is for seeking out that thing.

It's pretty freaking beautiful.

So everybody should read it.

And the infinite all in is something I think about every day.

That's a great answer.

Beat it.

I can't.

Beat that answer.

I cry all the time.

I cry at tons of comics.

uh I cry in every movie, practically.

I don't have a good answer.

What jumped out immediately was Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer's uh Murder Falcon.

Do a power bomb also.

I cried during that too.

But Murder Falcon was the one I first cried to ah of his.

Yeah.

Mortality stuff.

I have a...

Answer that sounds fake to start with.

X-Men 25 when Wolverine had his adamantium taken out of his body.

I honestly cried explaining that to my mom.

I was also like nine, so it's a pretty good explanation.

And then the real answer is Archie Co.

Johnson's uh My God, No One Else.

And uh that is a book that is very funny and very personal that is about family tragedy and is a family tragedy that my family went through similarly.

And so reading that was a very personal experience.

I didn't cry as much as I did when Wolverine had his adamantium taken out, but still.

Very personal.

All right, and I'll wrap this up by saying Lone Wolf and Cub.

uh which is written by Kazuo Koiki and illustrated by Goseki Kojima.

follows a father and son.

I have this thing about revenge, but they are also on a journey of revenge.

It spans like 28 volumes.

I read it during like the lockdowns.

So as you can imagine, all that emotion on top of like this very, I mean, like the word epic does not do it justice.

It is like truly one of those, like on par with like the Odyssey.

It is such this transformative read ah and it just came at such an interesting like emotional you know, just time.

And I still, I want to reread it, but I know I gotta be ready.

I gotta be in the right mindset.

So, Lone Wolf and Cubby, if never read it, one of the all-time greatest comics in my mind.

And the movies are amazing.

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