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Is on his way.

Devil is on his way.

Devil is on his way.

Mother for the Devil gonna make you pay fall.

To your knees.

Devil is on his way.

Foul to your knees.

Devil gonna make you pay five to your knees.

Devil is on his way.

Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders.

I'm Heather and I'm Dylan.

You're a very spirited Dylan.

That's right.

Looking forward to the Thanksgiving holiday.

Yeah, I'm getting these jingle bells ready, not.

Even because of the food.

You're just excited to have a few days off.

Yeah, yellow four day break at work, that sounds really good.

With the Bernie vacation days, you're gonna get paid for, you know most of that.

So yeah, what's not to look forward to.

God love those paid holidays.

Well, we hope everyone has some plans for Thanksgiving, if you're spending it with friends, family, a loved one.

Even if you're planning on spending it by yourself and having a quiet time at home and doing really nice the exact thing that you want and no one else bothering you.

I really applaud that at your.

A little hungry man turkey dinner.

Yeah, why not do the damn thing if that's what makes you happy.

I've noticed a lot of restaurants are now offering Thanksgiving, Like you can order a head and they'll make the Thanksgiving meal for you, right, and you can go pick it up, and it's the sides, it's all the fixings, right.

Yeah, and it feeds four to six people apparently.

Yeah, so that seems like it's becoming more popular.

I remember years ago there might be like one place that offers that, but now it seems there are more and more restaurants offering that option.

Well, what I think.

I think people a lot of people cook less nowadays, especially with the big meals, you know what I mean, Maybe the traditions aren't as prevalent as it used to be.

I think everybody had like big Mama's house or whatever.

You went somebody's granny's or you know, your grandparents' house or the one aunt who you know hosted everybody.

It seems like that's becoming a less of a tradition.

Maybe not in our house.

I'm the crazy kitchen lady.

That's my favorite part of holidays.

It is like the food prep and making the food.

Like I enjoy spending all day making a meal, everything from scratch, the desserts, and then serving it to my friends and family.

That's I love that part.

I enjoy you cooking all day and night as well.

Yeah, I know, because you rarely offer to help.

That's not true, It's not no.

I mean you know where I'm at.

Yeah, usually your asses parked in a chair on a couch.

Yeah, I'm in the living room.

If you need me to open something, just let me know.

Well, I'll be preparing a delicious Thanksgiving meal.

On Thursday, and I'll be eating it.

Yeah, we know, Dylan, we know.

I finished all of my Christmas shopping today.

This is the one and only day I plan to shop.

And I finished my Christmas shopping and I will not step foot into a store until like mid March.

Man.

That sounds great, I know, so you can avoid the crazy holiday sales.

And you know, as it the closer it gets to Christmas.

I think it really kicks off typically after Thanksgiving, right the Black Friday.

You know, it's not as small a window as it used to be, as not quite the fervor that used to be.

No, Now Black Friday is like a week or two weeks in advance.

Yeah, and then you got Cyber Monday, I guess.

But the stores still get crazy, and it gets worse and worse the closer you get to Christmas Eve.

Thank goodness for online shopping.

Yeah, I know, because I only hit up about three different stores today for gifts and the rest of it.

I just bought everything on the internet.

It was quick, it was easy, was painless.

You had a plan, but I.

Also don't have like a huge shopping list.

No, but you had already thought out what you wanted to get everyone that we buy for and I think you put together a great plan.

I didn't have to do anything, which was also a nice added bonus for me, and I appreciate you.

I think you did a great job.

Dylan.

Something that popped up in my news feed this week that we have to discuss because it is true crime related.

Do you remember the slender Man case?

Yes?

I do.

It was like twenty fourteen.

Morgan Geyser was one of the perpetrators.

She was in some kind of psychiatric facility and was recently released into a group home setting.

Okay, she cut off.

Her ankle monitor and ran away, so she was reported missing on Saturday night.

After Correction officials were notified that her GPS monitoring bracelet was malfunctioning.

They contacted the group home and learned that she was not there.

She had removed the bracelet and apparently took off, according to the Madison Police Department, because she's in Wisconsin.

No, well that's not good.

Madison Police said they were not made aware of her disappearance until like almost twelve hours later, which was like Sunday morning.

They start searching looking for her.

Her attorney posted a video on Instagram urging her to turn herself in.

He was like, you know, don't continue to remain on the run like this.

She was found Sunday night across state lines some one hundred and sixty five miles away in Illinois, about twenty miles south of Chicago, in a town called Posen, Oh.

She almost made it to the wendyc.

The pus And Police Department said they got her.

On Monday.

There was a report of a man and woman loitering behind a truck stop, sleeping on the sidewalk.

The woman refused to provide her name and initially gave them a fake one, and then after police kind of kept continuing to identify her, she finally told them just google me.

I did something really bad.

Oh gosh.

Yeah.

So once she provided her identity, officers confirmed she was Morgan Geyser.

She was wanted out of Wisconsin for escape after walking away from the group home.

So they have, you know, captured her, and I guess, I don't know what's going to happen, if she's going to be sent back to the group home or if this is like some kind of violation of her release.

Well, I'm not sure exactly what's going on in her head or what she's dealing with.

But it seems to me like maybe she's not ready to be released.

Well, I didn't think she was ready to be released.

Like when I heard that a judge was going to let her out of the psychiatric facility where she had spent like seven years, I was thinking, that is not enough time.

No for what she did.

No, I agree.

She's now twenty three.

She had spent seven years in that hospital.

A judge approved her release over a decade after she and her friend lord their classmate into the Wisconsin Woods.

They stabbed her more than a dozen times and left her for dead.

And this was to appease the fictional character slender Man.

It was such a crazy internet myth, right, it was.

Like some creepy pasta, Right, yeah, it was.

I think one of the original big creepy pasta.

Is it kind of viral fictional stories, scared creepy stories.

But you know, it's a thousand wonders that the victim in this case survived.

And I think it's only because they were just young kids and really know what they were doing, thank god.

But yeah, I mean this very well could have been a murder case, right.

Her attorney mister Cotton.

I believe his name is Tony Cotton.

He said that one of his biggest fears for Morgan upon her release from the hospital was her ability to navigate new relationships, particularly with older men who might not have her best interests in or like in mind.

He said that over the last like twelve years that he's represented her as a client, there were these seemingly normal men who would find their way kind of into her orbit, maybe writing letters or whatever, and then would act highly inappropriate with her.

Well that's not okay.

Yeah, And I have.

No doubt that she has issues she deals with, and certainly there's a I agree with him, there's a good chance.

And then she also has a bit of this kind of notoriety connected to her case and her name infamy, I guess you might say, but just how to kind of bring the weirdos out of the woodwork, you know what I mean?

Right?

And you add that to the fact that she has these severe and profound issues, right.

So I mean that's why when we discussed this, when she first they first talked about releasing her, that was one of my main concerns.

That wasn't just about Hey, I think maybe she should be punished for a longer period of time.

But I don't know that she's going to be able to take care of herself properly, right.

Right, I just thought it was really soon to release her.

I don't think justice has been served in this case.

You spend seven years in hospital, I mean, it's not prison.

No, And I'm sure a victim lives with every day the trauma of what they went through.

So and that doesn't go away for the victim.

Well, I guess we'll see what happens.

Maybe she'll be returned to the hospital facility.

Again.

I don't know what the terms of her release are, but this can't be good.

No, it's not good.

And if she can't follow the rules at the very you know, I think I think following the rules of the place that you're staying is not a big ask, right, And if she can't do that, that makes you wonder she's.

Not gonna be able to assimilate into society, right.

It makes you wonder she can follow the rules of society.

Well, it sounds like maybe she can't.

I mean, I'm sorry, but they thought Slenderman was real.

Well I've been young once.

Okay, and there was like Bloody Mary and other legends, and I never for once thought this is a real thing.

So yeah, so even if you were carrying on with friends and you guys were a little scared or kind of worked each other up, you still knew the difference between.

Yeah.

Well, I didn't try to murder any of my friends when I was fourteen years old or whatever, So yeah, okay, I just don't have, I guess a lot of compassion for these two girls because what they did was horrific and at the end of the day, it was really stupid, and I just I don't even know, Like, I just want to shake them and be like, what the fuck are you thinking?

Right?

I mean, you seriously hurt your friend over some dumb ass shit that's not even real.

And I'm sorry, but are you stupid because you believe like an internet myth?

I don't, right, Yeah, I mean I get there.

Were kids, but you know, even if they're young, we can still say they're dumb because they kind of were.

Yeah, but to lure your friend to set them up and then attack them like this, it's pretty monstrous.

It's pretty cruel, right, I think it's just monstrous.

Yeah, it's not some heat of the moment thing.

It took planning, it took premeditation, right, lots of thought.

And I'm just honestly tired of this narrative when we have maybe young people or whatever criminal justice system like wanting to make excuses for people's bad behavior and their bad choices.

Well, I have to say there's some oh, well.

There's an excuse for it, and that's like, but there's really not an excuse for like ninety nine percent of these crimes.

No, the excuse, There is no excuse.

You refuse to just be part of society.

And I think we have to change our mindset on crime in general.

Like you have another case of a man attacking a woman out of nowhere on public transit.

Oh, Chicago on fire.

Yes, he's a career criminal, you know, should have been in jail a long time ago, and we need to But you know what's funny is you always hear about oh, their life, their backstory, that you know, they grew up, this spy, they fucking care and all that.

And I don't either, because a lot of people have horrible childhood, are fucked up trauma, and not everybody goes out murdering and killing and just being a piece of shit.

No, it doesn't give you a right to be a piece of shit.

And I think even petty crime, if you get over and over again, you're wasting resources of a community, a community's resources.

You're, like I said, you're you're letting us know that you're not going to be a productive decision in any form.

Twenty two arrests on your record, there's a problem.

Yeah, And it doesn't matter what the crimes are.

You don't fit in with the rest of the world, and so we need to do something with you.

I don't know if that's prison, I don't know what it is, but like, just remove these people from society.

Like, I'm just tired of it.

I feel like we've reached this fever pitch with crime and excuses and there's no personal responsibility for anything.

It's always blame this, blame that.

And it's like, you know, at the end of the day, you have free will and you make a choice, just like you chose to harm your friend because you believed in slender Man.

I mean, you're gonna go murder somebody or assault someone and say it's because the tooth you thought the tooth fairy wanted you to I mean, I don't know.

I just think it's ridiculous.

Well see, my, my, Uh.

The problem with the situation like that is what's going to stop you from believing something like that?

Again?

Right, well there's that.

I mean, we can do we can do therapy, we can do medicine, but is all that going to stop you from having this break from reality?

Which that's what that is?

And also why do we keep putting responsibility on victims in crime?

I know, right, like if you come break in my house and I go way overboard with my reaction to that, you know that kind of sucks.

But you know what wouldn't have happened if you didn't break into my house.

You wouldn't be dead.

I wouldn't have this strong reaction or so, which are overboard reaction because you you wouldn't have came and set me off in my home.

Well, I'm just not out murdering people on the streets, but breaking my house, you're gonna yeah, yeah, I just all find out.

It's just the mentality has really changed since we were children.

Yeah, it's not good.

I think it's for the worst.

No, And well, and you didn't see this when you had when you even lived in small towns and you had somebody who was a shipbird and they they went to jail.

Dude, you know after a while, you didn't see that person around again.

You didn't have this revolving door in the justice system of giving them a.

Fifty million chance habitual fell in charge.

I don't know why these judges aren't tacking that on because some of these people, I mean, they've just got this criminal history that's mile long, and there's no reason we can't slap that on and send you're asked to prison for a long time.

Well, let's give you five or ten years and let you think about it and see what you you know, how you if you want to.

Some people will be reformed after that, and guess what some won't be.

And then that's the people who don't want to ever be a part of society.

No, Dylan, we've got to move on.

That's a very long introduction to the show, and someone's probably already turned us off by now.

We have a case to discuss that is just wild.

Okay, it is a doozy.

You've probably heard this story before, but I've always wanted to discuss it because it's one of those stories that just this case is so messed up.

Okay, I can't wait to get into it.

And of course November we've our theme this month has been bloodlines.

We're discussing family members who kill their other family.

Members, family annihilators, that kind of thing.

Yeah, so let's get into it.

Are you ready?

I am ready.

Enough time has passed.

Let's do it.

Mary Joe de Victorio met Blake Hadley in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Mary Joe was originally from Pennsylvania.

Blake was a Florida native who worked for the Saint Lucie Nuclear Power Plant as a watch engineer.

Mary Joe was an elementary school teacher.

After they married, the couple moved to Port Saint Lucie, Florida, where they would be closer to Blake's family.

He would also shorten the work commute he had been making while living in Fort Lauderdale.

That's a big win win, that's a big plus.

Now.

Poort Saint Lucie, Florida, Dylan is described as like a sleepy community.

It's about forty miles north of West Palm Beach, halfway between Miami and Orlando.

Port Saint Lucy is noted for being a fairly safe place to live, especially given that the population is about one hundred and fifty thousand.

It's not exactly a small town.

No, would you consider that a small city, sure?

Or a large town.

That's a big town.

But it's a big town.

But you know, one hundred and fifty thousand people, they just seem like they don't have a ton of violent crime.

There, so good place to live, right, Yeah.

The city offers twenty one miles of beaches and is known for its natural beauty.

I'm sold.

Twenty one miles of beaches.

That's a lot of beach.

I'm ready.

I'm ready for this.

Let's move to Florida.

I would live in Florida.

Well, let's go.

What's stopping us?

But I think I would have to live near the beach.

I don't know if i'd want to be in central Florida.

Well no, if we're moving, we're moving to the beach.

Okay.

Our next move, wherever we go, is going to be at a beach.

Okay, Okay, I've told you this.

I don't know why you act like you forgot.

I have not forgotten.

Don't act like you forgot.

Bitch, Better have my beach.

Okay, Blake and Mary Joe expanding their family with the addition of a son named Ryan, and five years later they welcomed another son, Tyler.

Now, at the time of our story, Ryan Hadley had moved out of the family home and was living in North Carolina.

I've gotten some conflicting information.

Some reports say he was attending college in North Carolina.

Other reports say he had moved there like he had graduated.

I'm assuming from college and had moved to North Carolina to be with a girlfriend, Okay, aold friend that would later become his wife.

Either way, Yeah, he's now in North Carolina.

He's a young man and he's in North Carolina.

The Hadleys lived in a modest, three bedroom home located at three seventy one Northeast Grandeur Avenue.

In twenty fifteen, Wells Fargo Bank will seize the home and it will be demolished.

The parcel of land will be donated to the city.

But we'll discuss more of that later.

So yeah, okay, I'm just curious on what grounds they took control of the property.

Well, you're about to find out.

By all accounts, the Hadleys had a solid marriage with lots of love and like every couple, you know, they have ups and downs.

By the time of our story, the couple were working hard to get their second son, Tyler, off to college.

Finish up high school, get him off to college, get him out of the house.

Yeah, right, so the parents can have fun.

That's when the parents live in that golden golden years, right, empty nesters, get some privacy, have some freaky sex in a living room.

Yeah, whatever, naked breakfast.

Whatever, whatever parents do when their kids leave.

At seventeen, Tyler was described as friendly and polite.

He was a good kid who didn't seem to cause trouble, at least from the outside.

And I think this happens often folks, neighbors, whatever, friends of the family will say, Oh, what a wonderful kid.

And that's because most kids know how to put on a show for other people.

Well, yeah, you never in their home.

They maybe have a little differently.

Yeah, I mean, the phrase behind closed doors covers so much.

Right.

By the time Tyler reached high school, he was six foot one and weighed about one hundred and sixty pounds, so he was a pretty good size.

Young and well yeah, I mean, considering his age.

By the time he fills out he's going to be a pretty good sized dude with.

That kind of height.

It is no surprise that Blake and Tyler were often seen outside their home shooting hoops.

The family spent time in their backyard enjoying their swimming pool.

Often Tyler could be seen skateboarding, riding his bike, and tossing the football around the yard.

Sounds like normal, kind of all American family, right Yeah, And like I said, outward appearances suggest this was the all American family.

They were living the middle class stream.

But what most people didn't know is that Tyler had some issues since he was about ten years old.

That included making threats to kill his parents.

Now now, a lot of times, as kids are growing up, they'll say some stuff they didn't mean.

Parents do it too.

You may lash out at your child or get way, you know, disproportionately mad or a little bit over the top about something, say something you regret.

But I have to say, if my child's continually threatening to kill me, I would find that very very disturbing.

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, especially if it's always, I mean, right in that very angry heat of the moment kind of thing.

I'll be like, damn does this kid really want to try to kill me?

I mean that would I'll find.

It's unsettling for sure.

Yeah'd be very bothersome.

As a young teen, Tyler, along with some friends started a fire at River Park Wildlife Preserve.

The teens had found like an abandoned couch and drug it into the park.

They lit it on fire after pouring gasoline on it.

Oh my gosh, So you.

Know fire fireplay being a little pyromaniac.

That's not a good that's not a good sign.

No, it's not.

And it's quite dangerous.

I mean, this could have easily gotten out of hand and you could.

Have burned this pristine land that's a nature preserved absolutely, and you could have hurt somebody.

Tyler started having other trouble when he was fifteen.

He began experimenting with drugs, hanging out with a bad crowd, and skipping school.

And when I say drugs, I should clarify mostly marijuana at this point, not like black tar heroin, Okay, and not condoning Tyler's use of pot, but it doesn't seem uncommon for teenagers to do that.

But of course young brains don't fully develop into adulthood and studies show that pot use isn't good for your brain at that age or really any age.

No, No, And I think there's more and more studies being done.

And I think, you know, given the widespread legal use of marijuana now and of course in the modern day, these products are much stronger, much much stronger.

Yeah, much more psychoactive.

You're actually hearing cases of psychosis marijuana induce psycho which is kind of wild.

You know.

We always thought when we were younger that that just wasn't possible, or that you couldn't owdal marijuana.

But now you see these people showing up at the hospital, you know, having eaten edibles, very strong edibles and things like that.

But I do believe, I've always believed that heavy marijuana used by specially early teen kids, definitely not a good thing.

Right, Is that what's wrong with you?

No, I didn't use marijuana when I was a kid.

Okay, your brain just is like this, this is this natural.

Oh gosh, I came out.

I guess I don't know.

Uh No, I'm not sure what's wrong with me, but I don't think it was the marijuana.

But yeah, so, so he's going around hanging out with the quote unquote bad crowd, which could just be some kids who have.

Long hair and you know, but like other kids, other you know, appeers that went to high school with Tyler did describe his group of friends as sort of being the druggy crowd, whatever that means.

So it sounds like they're probably just like some burnout skater kids or something.

Well, the bad crowd in reality is unmotivated, kind of like losers.

I mean, I'm not even being a lot of times.

They may be outcast misfit types, but they're just they're they're headed nowhere fast.

Well, it sounds like.

These kids also were maybe getting into some trouble as.

Well, right, and that's where you get petty crime, ye, vandalism, just you know, kind of being a shitty person.

Right, breaking into cars.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tyler had always been a quiet kid who was sometimes difficult to read.

Others who knew Tyler at school said he was hyperactive and he exhibited bizarre behavior.

Some of this stealing I would just call attention seeking, almost like when we watched My Friend Dahmer movie, and like the Jeffrey Dahmer character, you know, he supposedly would do weird things like pretend he was like having a seizure and drop down the hallway and start convulsing, and it was all for attention, right right, Well, that kind of sounds like what Tyler was doing.

People described him as always trying to like get the crowd going.

He's a hot man.

He wants to be the hype man.

During class, he would just randomly start laughing, which is, you know, a little I guess off putting.

You're in the middle of a history lesson.

I gotta say, learning about like the Third Punic War, and then here's Tyler just ha ha ha ha.

This is funny.

I remember kids like this in school, and uh, it aggravated.

It aggravated me too, because I don't know if I was the goofy kind of student, but I was like enjoying class, right and now you're a or you know, you know what I mean.

We're in our groove.

Even if it's not my favorite subject.

We can get in the groove.

We can I've always had a mentality, let's just do this, see what we can get out of it, as much value as we can.

Get stracked, and let's move on to the next thing.

Right, I understand, but I think mine came more from a place of like just being antisocial, right, not a whole lot has changed over the years, and just being annoyed, like would you just shut the fuck up and like just stop, like let's get on with it, you know, like you're not making this any better.

There was a kid I went to elementary school with and he did those strangest things, like he would eat paste and like climb under his desk and bark like a dog.

Yeah, And even as a little kid, I just wanted I would be like, shut the fuck up, dude, Like I just wanted him to go away.

Yeah.

Or the kid who like once I always get into it with the teacher, make like a big scene, he just shut up.

That main character syndrome gets my nerves like stop.

So Tyler always wants to get the crowd going.

He would start laughing in class.

He would interrupt lessons by just blurting out random things.

One time, another student recalled that Tyler started moving like a cow in the middle of biology class.

Oh my god, they weren't even like discussing bovine.

I was gonna say, were they at least studying cows?

No?

Just dumb shit like that.

See I I had really good comedic timing, and I could get the whole class laughing.

But out in the open, I didn't have to do this, you know.

I would make a well timed joke or you know, something like that, and i'd have the teacher at the class everybody laughing.

Right, we get it, dealing, you're funny.

No, well, I know, thank you for that.

I know I am.

But then you see these other people.

They're trying way too hard and everybody nobody ever gets on board with them.

I'm just like, nobody wants to be here, like most of us don't like school anyway, and we're in the stupid class and then here you come, like, just shut up.

I don't want to hear you.

I don't even want to like know you just get somewhere and be quiet.

Okay, So he's prone to outburst.

Sounds like you might get on people's nerves to a degree.

Yeah.

About ten weeks before the time of our story, Tyler had gotten into some more serious trouble.

He had been given a slap on the wrist for starting that fire.

Tyler got into serious trouble after getting into a fight at a friend's house.

This time he was charged with aggravated battery.

Given his juvenile record, which also included a conviction for burglary and I don't know the details of that case, Tyler was sentenced to a week in county jail.

He had two weeks of house arrest after that, and Tyler's parents confiscated his cell phone as well during this time, which for most teenagers is the end of the world.

So he's in real trouble now.

He's in real trouble now.

But I would say a fire and burglary, I mean those are pretty serious charges and convictions.

Well, no, in getting a week in jail, I mean there's you know, most adults haven't been charged, you know, sentenced to a week in jail and house arrest afterwards, you can see that he's getting in Uh, he's getting bigger consequences.

Yeah, he's doing worse stuff.

Despite his troubles, Tyler seemed to have a good relationship with his mother.

When he was placed on house arrest, he confided in friends that Mary Joe had been disappointed in him.

She was sad, and Tyler felt incredibly guilty that he'd upset his mother.

One time, he snapped at her kind of yelled at her and then moments later apologized because he just couldn't stand the thought that he had like hurt his mom's feelings.

Well, the thing about it is, Tyler, you're the only person that can control these behaviors, and all you have to do is stop.

Dude.

Yeah right, it's not yah.

Stop moving in class.

Just stop with you know what you're doing.

Don't be a little dickhead to your parents.

Yeah.

Yeah.

On a Friday night in June of twenty eleven, Tyler returned home like after being at a friend's house, and he was incredibly intoxicated.

That evening.

He had also urinated on the friend's bed.

Okay, not okay, not okay.

His mother admitted him to a mental health clinic called New Horizons.

Mary Joe invoked the Baker Act, which allows parents to involuntarily commit their minor children for psychiatric treatment.

I don't know if this is just in Florida, but.

I've never heard of the Baker Act.

But AnyWho, I think that's a different person by the state.

Tyler had been treated in the past for depression and eating disorder and low self esteem.

As a younger boy, he'd been given human growth hormones Apparently he was very small, like short and stature, kind of chubby, and his mom thought if he took these growth hormones and got a little taller that he would have more self esteem.

They gave him some HG.

Yeah, I need a cycle of that, okay to heal?

And that is it a good idea to give those hormones to kids?

I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I'm actually surprised that they did that, honestly, just because I mean, and I'm not sure how they use it medically.

I know the athletes will use that to heal like a nagging injuries or long term injuries and things like that.

I know it can be used in the gem scene mixed with some other stuff to uh, you know, be on a cycle of gear if you will, steroids and such.

But yeah, I don't know, just for confidence to build confidence.

Yeah, it seems a little weird to me.

Well, I have a cousin and she has a very specific disorder that causes her to have almost like dwarf like features, and she's I guess technically considered a dwarf because she's very she's like under fourth and eleven or whatever.

Like I think she's for ten, but that's only because they gave her human growth hormans when she was a very small child.

But instead of making her taller, it just made her game weight like.

Crazy really yeah, oh gosh.

Yeah.

So at the end of the day, it's like, wasn't a good choice maybe for her because she has been battled obesity, like severe obesity for most of her like teen years and adulthood.

Gosh, and I have to think maybe it has something to do with all those growth hormones they were pumping into her.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but you know, I mean at this point she's maybe four fifty or five hundred pounds.

I don't know, Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I mean she has a lot of health problems stemming from that.

Well, yeah, there's no way you're going to have a comfortable life when you're dealing with something like that.

There's just no way, right, So I guess I'm just I don't know a whole lot about it, but just having known about that and having that kind of close up experience with someone, it just seems maybe like it's not a good idea, and especially just so your son might be taller, no, Like, well, don't we all wish we were a little bit taller and a baller.

Well, I'm happy at six foot even.

And a girl who look good I'll call her.

I think I might have a well proportioned body.

So I'm very happy in my own skin.

Rabbit in a hat.

Okay, honey, what no, you can just call me Skilo.

Tyler is forced to attend counseling daily after having been committed, and of course his parents are wanting him to seek this like drug treatment.

I don't think he was real happy with the situation.

Well, no, forced to like go to therapy and treatment and that kind of stuff.

Well, his parents are seeing as this is things have gotten bad.

He's gotten in some real trouble, right, and they're trying to do everything they can think of to modify his behavior, but at the same time to make him better, if you will, right, I'm sure his best interest are at the heart of what they're trying to do for him.

A few weeks later, Mary Joe seemed happier.

She kind of thought maybe Tyler was finally over the Shenanigans and was starting to improve get his life back on track, you know, the old Tyler seemed to be back with his parents felt like, you know, hey, okay, this is our son.

This is the son we know, not this other kid.

He traveled with his father to a family reunion in Georgia.

Family members traveled as far away as Minnesota to attend this reunion, and at the event, Tyler seemed fine, like he was getting along with his parents, he was enjoying the is it with the extended family all as well?

Okay?

Yeah, Tyler's friends saw a different side of him.

Tyler had made repeated threats of suicide as well as stating that he wanted to murder his parents.

God dude, I mean that's scarier.

Right after being forced into this mental health program of his feelings didn't seem to change.

But now Tyler was not only saying that he wanted to kill Blake and marry Joe, but that he was going to throw a huge party afterwards.

All right, So yeah, I mean I'm gonna have the post killing my parents' party.

You all you guys are invited RSVP.

Yeah, he told one friend, quote, no one has ever done that, thrown a party with a dead body still in the house.

How would you react if you had a friend acting like that?

I don't know if I would still be friends with this person.

That's That's what I'm saying.

Disturbing, and there's only so much I'm willing to tolerate out of friends.

That's probably why I don't have any.

Uh, yeah, this's not gonna work for me.

Like, you sound kind of deranged, and I just don't even know if I want to hang out with you.

Well, no, because even I have a dark sense of humor.

But keeping on and on about something like that, I also have.

At the same time, I have very strong moral sense, absolutely, and when other people violate my my rules, my morality for myself, let alone, over and over again, that makes me not want to be around them.

You know, we're vibes people doing and I just have a feeling this kid was like walking bad vibe.

So I'm like, again, I'm I don't I'm not sure I would have been friends with him, right, person like him exactly?

Right?

Of course, his friend was like, yeah, sure, buddy, whatever, Because he said weird shit like this all the time to friends, it wasn't really shocking at that point.

It was almost like the boy who cried wolf or something, right, and he just keeps making these threats over and over again.

And if you keep hearing the same thing over and over again like that from your bud, you're you know, you're just not even gonna believe it anymore.

You just get desensitized to it.

Right right first time or two you might have been like, oh gosh and gave it a second thought.

But if someone keeps on and on, you're just like, oh, that's that's just Tyler, you know.

And they may even discuss it behind his back, about the weird stuff he says.

And I guess at the same time, you don't want to believe that someone's capable of something like that.

Yeah.

Writer Nathaniel Rich published an investigative piece in the Rolling Stone magazine, and this article has a very rich, detailed narrative of the events that played out on July sixteenth and seventeenth of twenty eleven.

So I just want to say this article was a big part of my research, as well as other newspaper reports.

Now I should preface this case by saying, there's not a lot like for young people to do in Port Saint Lucy.

Like I said, it's kind of a like sleepy community.

Many teens turn to drugs and alcohol as well.

As criminal activity simply out of boredom.

Yeah, and I think that happens now, That happens in especially in smaller communities, and of course this happens in you know, big cities as well.

But yeah, I mean you're just you're messing around, You're trying to keep yourself busy or occupied, entertained, and oftentimes you get into at the very least, you know, just some petty vandalism or you know, breaking windows that are already derelict building, just goofy shit like that, you know, painting, yeah, on.

Walls.

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean that's raucous activities.

That's never been my cup of tea because I always think overthink situations, think about the worst outcome possible.

So I've always steered clear of things like that.

But yeah, that's what the kids do.

Well, A lot of time is spent partying because there's nothing else going on.

And now I will say I grew up in a town where there was not a whole lot to do, especially for young people besides go see a movie in a very tiny old theater stink town, yeah, or go to the skating rink, which, by the time you're in high school.

People don't really want to do that because it's mostly little kids.

It's kind of lame, right, Or cruise the Plaza, which was basically just driving around in a circle in a parking lot for hours, looking at the same people that you see at school every day.

Yeah, but instead of speaking, you just kind of like nod your head at them.

You might make eye contact with some person that you don't really know that well, okay, yeah, I seen you sparks something there.

I seen you in that parking lot.

O yeah.

I mean it was really kind of stupid, but we didn't have cool things to do.

The nearest mall was forty minutes away.

Again nothing to do, and though I was not really going to all parties at that age, a lot of people around me were doing that.

They were drinking, they were using drugs.

I'd hear about a party on Friday, and then of course Monday morning, salacious gossip would go around about maybe like who had had sex that weekend?

Ooh yeah, Okay.

Everybody'd be like talking like, ooh did you hear about so and so?

Yeah, and it was like juicy gossip.

Now would you partake in the gossip?

You know it?

I love gossip.

You know, I love something I always want to hear.

I love the tea, spill it.

But you'd never go to the party.

I know.

I wasn't allowed, Okay.

No, remember I had a really strict mother.

But even if kids are bored, that's no excuse for behavior like burglary, assaults, breaking and entering.

No, See, that's the thing, that's something that you decided to do because you're a bad person.

And I'm sorry, that's the only only reason for that.

And I know we're old people dealing and to us, like teenagers seem very different from when we were growing up.

And I think most generations have that idea like these kids today.

You know, I'm sure our parents thought those things about us.

Well, there's always that generational gap.

You know.

Times change, the society changes, culture changes, it's always evolving, sometimes in bad ways, sometimes in good ways.

But I think it's natural to have that feeling to a degree.

Right.

Well, in the story, I just want to say, many of Tyler's friends seem cold, callous, disconnected, and I find it disturbing how little empathy some of these younger generations seem to display their willingness to do certain things that we would like never have dreamed of at that age, you know, like it's a little disturbing.

Well, I think that's something we're seeing in society, is empathy and our very humanity is almost being cut out of us or rinsed out of us.

It's weird, right, I mean, maybe I'm judging them too harshly, but we've got young adults, right, and we've witnessed their interactions with friends or just stuff they talk about, or things they come home and like, you know, gossip about.

I mean like, ooh, it was a really big deal when I was in high school if somebody had sex, right, Like that was wow.

Right, And my daughter would come home and tell me, like about girls hooking up.

Oh yeah, she slept with like seven or eight guys and they're sixteen, And I'm like, what, that's crazy.

Now, that's not okay, right, I mean, that's that's a lot.

But again, I don't I don't remember that kind of thing happening back.

In our day.

Yeah, but they're not even having a strong reaction to it.

They're almost saying it nonchalantly, no, right.

Like, oh yeah, they hooked up, but you know, she's hooked up with this and just wow.

Okay, seems like a lot.

So On Saturday, July sixteenth, twenty eleven, at about one fifteen pm, Tyler made a Facebook post that read quote party at my crib tonight dot dot dot.

Maybe wow some mysterious kind of gets you intrigued.

Right, he's creating some He's creating his own buzz.

When he says party, I'm thinking like snack.

Trays, the dot dot dot.

Will there be a charcooterie board?

It really leaves it open ended for it to the possibilities to be endless.

Well, I have a chance to stick salami and olives in my mouth at this Party's all.

That's all I care about.

Where's the snacks?

You want the finger foods?

Yeah?

You think these kids are going to have proper finger foods?

Oh no, but I love some finger foods.

So they bear have some dips.

Right, They're not gonna have dips pretzels.

Okay.

Now, it doesn't sound like Tyler had ever thrown a party at his house, much less a rager, and his friends knew that Mary, Joe and Blake were probably not going to allow a party to happen, especially given the past few months his parents were concerned about drugs and alcohol.

Doubtful they would let him throw a party with drugs and alcohol.

Right, Well, then that's true for most parents, I would imagine, I don't know, not no most.

I'm saying some you got the cool who thinking here to cool parents or you know, want to let other phich.

Not a regular mom.

I'm a cool mom.

You guys want some marcaritas.

Letting other people kids come to your house and whatever you do interacting with your own children, as long as you're not abusing them or something, is your business as far as I'm concerned.

Right as they get older, if you decide to let your seventeen year old drink a few beers at your home with you, hey, I might not have done that, but that's really your business, right, that's your business how you want a parent teach your kid things.

But the idea of letting other people's children come to your home and drink or smoke or anything like that, that blows my mind because that is inappropriate on so many levels.

Well, right, So again, some parents are okay with that, Dylan.

Some parents don't mind if their kids have a throwdown keg party rager.

You know, they'll just go in the back bedroom and ignore what's happening out front.

I don't know, it's weird.

Yeah, well, I'm not gonna allow that in my house.

I'm afraid they'll spill stuff on the floor.

And I just mopped now.

Our friend text him is this happening?

And Tyler responded, I don't know, man, I'm working on it now.

He'd been saying all week that he was gonna be throwing this party, telling everybody.

Around five pm, Tyler decided to follow through with a plan he had made, so he popped three ecstasy tablets, then listened to Feel Lucky by rapper Little Boozy.

Okay, who's a little Boozy.

I'm not sure.

I don't know who Little Boozy is.

Now.

Once he had psyched himself up, Tyler searched for his parents' cell phones, which he proceeded to hide.

He found a claw hammer in the garage.

It has been described as a framing hammer, about seventeen inches in length.

Okay, so it's a fairly large that's a pretty big hammer.

Sounds like a thor hammer or something.

But a framing hammer is gonna be a fairly heavy hammer.

Big head on it.

Yeah, probably maybe a straight claw.

His mother was working at the family computer.

Tyler wasn't sure what to do, so he just stood behind her, watching for like five minutes.

Now, I don't know if it was really five minutes, because if you walk up behind me, I instantly.

Know you're gonna feel someone's sad, right, I mean, I.

Think most people have the Spidey sense, right, and you're gonna know someone's watching you or standing behind you.

So either way, he's standing behind her for a minute.

Right, and it seems like she's distracted, maybe on the computer, so she's not really paying attention to him.

But finally Tyler raised the hammer and smashed it into his mother's head.

So this is crazy.

So he's decided to have this party, knowing damn well that if he asked his parents, they are gonna tell him hell no, probably right, especially given everything's happened, and give than the top of party he wants to have.

So now he's to throw the party that other people are kind of pressuring him about.

Now because he's the one going around saying I'm having a party all week.

Now he's gonna attack his parents.

I mean, this is really this is really stupid.

I mean, it's insane.

I guess there's not gonna be any snacks.

Okay.

So Mary Joe is in shock and she starts screaming, you know why why?

And Tyler just continues hitting his mother in the head with the hammer until she's no longer with us.

Okay, blunt forced trauma.

Blake Hadley had been in the master bedroom at the time, and hearing his wife screams, he runs out of the bedroom and he stumbles upon this bloody scene, and Blake kind of makes eye contact with his son and they're just sort of like looking at each other, and he asks why, and Tyler says why the fuck not?

Okay, Blake runs and Tyler chases his father into the bedroom and just starts beating him with the claw hammer.

No.

No, at that moment, as shocking as it is, you have to realize your son is now a threat.

He's already at the very least injured, possibly killed your wife, his mother.

You have to protect yourself.

You have to square up on this kid, and you have to get that old man's strength out and you got to go to this kid's ass.

Dude.

Well, here's the thing, Blake Hadley is not a small man.

Dylan He's six foot one and weighs about three hundred pounds, so he's a pretty big dude.

Oh yeah, you got a steamroll this kid.

Tyler managed to overpower him with this hammer.

Well, it's the shock, right, you're not expecting this, and I'm saying this, but I have no idea how it would react in this.

And I say, you almost probably can't operate, right, you don't even know what to do.

You don't understand.

You're confused, right that your son has just attacked your wife, his mother, and uh yeah, So I mean, who knows how you would react in a situation like this.

I mean it's so barbaric.

I mean, what kind of bloodthirsty monster can ferociously beat his or her parents to death with a fucking hammer.

It's crazy, it's savage.

It is like I'm just imagining that he went into some kind of berserker mode.

And that's some intense physical shit.

So I'm sure in the act the adrenaline is like pumping, but when it wears off, he's got to like crash from exhaustion.

Right, Oh yeah, Devin, this.

Is very physically demanding what he's doing here.

Well, like we discussed just the other week.

Beating someone to death is very physical.

It's an extended attack, much like you know, strangling.

Strangling someone to death, it takes time, takes a lot of effort, a lot more effort than people can imagine, I would say, and so yeah, I don't know.

Once his parents are dead, Tyler wraps their heads and towels.

He drags them into the master bedroom, positioning their bodies side by side, and they're also face down.

He discards this hammer between them.

The cleanup was more than Tyler had bargained for and took about three hours, which was much longer than he had anticipated.

But there was blood everywhere.

I mean, it's a gory scene.

You've got blood, You've got brain matter, tissue, damn.

Just.

Parts of you know, body parts that you don't think of.

That's crazy.

I well, the head injuries oozing, multiple head injuries, oozing, damn.

Horrible.

He then collects every piece of incriminating evidence, like all these different materials.

We've got bloody towels, bloody pillow cases, books, a coffee table, a mop.

He's used chlorhe clorox wipes to clean, so he just throws all of those in there.

There's like broken glass and dishes, and he sort of uses all of these items to cover his parents' bodies.

Okay, Like he's almost building like a little, you know, mountain of stuff.

So he's got their bodies drugging there.

Besides, like the junk Ladian labyrinth, he's got just all the ship pile on top of.

Them, and so he's got a pile of stuff on them.

Now so disrespectful.

I just this whole everything about it is just so ick.

Right afterwards, Tyler took a shower.

He would later admit that he had stared at himself in the mirror and then laughed.

Again.

This is not okay.

That's a He didn't seem to have any reverts out what had transpired, just cold blooded.

Tyler posted again at eight point fifteen, saying party at my house HMU, which I guess has hit me up.

Okay, I didn't know what that was.

Well now you do.

Friends messaged asking like, is this for real?

What happens if your parents come home?

And Tyler assured them not to worry.

They won't come home, trust me.

After posting on Facebook, Tyler goes to an ATM and withdrew about five thousand dollars in cash damn.

He supposedly picks a couple friends up on the way brings them back to the house.

The party begins around nine pm when people arrive.

Tyler's wearing a black T shirt, a pair of black dickies, and a black pair of a pair of black Nike Air Force high top sneakers.

Though got that out.

Since there wasn't much going on, people started showing up at the party, and most of these people didn't even know Tyler that well or if at all.

Tyler had friends, but was also a bit of a loner.

Like I said before dying, I don't think he was the most popular student.

He's kind of weird.

Yeah, he's a weird kid.

He's a weird kid.

And if people did know him, it was likely because he hung out with that druggy crowd and behaved oddly at school.

So he kind of had this reputation, as you know, being kind of different.

So in a case like this, I think you won't get people showing up.

You have this, like you said, kind of a small town vibes, not much going on.

They're going to show up out of curiosity, right right.

I mean, people are not coming to this party because Tyler's got a great reputation, or it is like super.

Well liked, You're so cute.

Yeah, Tyler had taken ecstasy, so I'm not sure if at the start of the party he was still rolling as they say, but some of the attendees described his behavior as being anxious.

They said his eyes were big, pupils dilated, and that he kept rubbing his hands together and clinching his fists.

It was obvious to everybody that Tyler was on something, okay, whether it's ecstasy or something else, I'm not sure.

Around eleven thirty PM, a popular athlete named Mike Young showed up at the party with about ten people.

Now, Mike does not know Tyler, at least not very well, and normally Mike would not hang out with someone like Tyler or his friends.

But again, it's this boring Saturday night and a party sounds fun.

Damn, dude.

The popular kids done showed up.

Mike had already spent some hours driving around with his buds.

They had gone to the mall, they had gone to a McDonald's.

A party is a better alternative, damn than the dollar menu that probably still existed back then.

Tyler did tell guests that he didn't want them to smoke in the house.

He would say, you know, it's my parents' house, don't smoke inside.

Okay, so little some ground rules.

By the time midnight drops, there's about sixty kids in the house, and like I said, most of them don't know Tyler.

Tyler, basically, you know, you can do whatever.

I don't really care.

Young people were parked on the couches.

They're playing beer pung gathering on the front lawn where they're just like tossing out beer cans and solo cups.

Damn right, the smoking rule went out the window.

Cigarettes were being tossed on the kitchen counter, on the living room rug, you know, burning holes in the rug.

Okay, look, this springs up a point.

I've always wondered about the right the movie, the kind of cliche movie, trash the house, way over the top parties.

It's never made any sense.

Well, I've never gone to a party where people acted like that.

I mean, well except for maybe like a frat party.

But those frat houses are disgusting.

They just tear their own shit up.

They usually have like a party room and like a basement or sense.

It's just like gross and sticky and whatever.

Oh yeah, I mean it's just pretty gross anyway.

But I've never ever and you know, I've been at cookouts or you know, friends gatherings whatever, you know, really toasted.

Most people don't do that, right, like, even as a young person.

No tearing, intentionally tearing someone shit up, or you know, putting cigarettes out in their carpet.

This kind of stuff doesn't appeal to me.

And I couldn't imagine, like why you would even do.

This, right, It's I don't get it, doesn't make sense.

I don't get it either.

Now.

The only thing that really seemed to concern Tyler was the noise level.

He was worried neighbors might call police, but Tyler didn't seem to care about his parents' house being destroyed.

That had kind of gone out the window.

Beer cans are just thrown everywhere.

People are spilling beer on the floors.

The floors are sticky and grimy.

It's just a mess, you know.

By now, kids are hungry, so they're in the kitchen looking for those snacks.

Should have bought a snack tray.

He had five grand, he could have bought a couple snack trays.

Doing so of course they're leaving whatever food out on the counter tables, you know, microwave macaroni and all nasty in the cups, all stuck to the side of the cups and just yuck.

God.

Mike re called that one guy came over to his group and made a comment saying I smelled dead people.

Oh.

When they were like what, He's like, well, you know, everybody's smoking haha, and walked off, which is kind of weird.

Yeah, because those are two separate things.

Bud.

Yeah, kids were playing music from the family's computer.

No one seemed to notice that there was a dried brown substance on the keyboard as they played Beer Pung.

Another person said he killed his parents, and everybody just started laughing.

Okay.

When people asked, like, where are your parents, Tyler told them differing stories.

They went to Georgia, they'd gone to Orlando.

He told one guy, Oh, my parents don't live here.

This is my house.

Okay.

By midnight the house is crowded.

As I mentioned, there's like sixty or more people.

It's a disaster.

The Hadley family they had two dogs, Dylan.

They had a black lab named Sophie and an older beagle.

This was his brother's dog that was deaf and blind.

The black lab was not around, but the beagle was found hiding in a bedroom, and then later a girl found him hiding in the shower.

Oh, this poor little dog.

He's like so scared, poor little fur baby.

I know it hurts my feelings, Like how could.

You do that to the dog and deaf or blind, let alone both animal They have a lot of anxiety and issues anyway because of the lack of sensory input, So I could only imagine this poor little dog's going through.

When the party started running out of beer around twelve thirty, Tyler asks a twenty one year old partygoer to buy some more beer.

Tyler hands the guy like a wad of twenties and says like, can you just give me a ride down to the Sonoco gas station?

While this guy, I guess his name is Mark, while he's in the store buy in cases of bush life.

Nice you were glassy.

Tyler sat in the car with a girl.

Now.

While they're sitting in the car, he makes some comment that his father had died, and since she didn't really know Tyler that well, she kind of assumed that maybe Tyler's dad had passed away a long time ago, right, like when he was a kid or something.

Back at the house, someone's walking around selling white pills for a dollar each.

I don't know what kind of pills.

Okay, bargain price pills.

Apparently others were selling marijuana.

People were sending out text saying like, this is a huge party.

It's a blowout.

It's cool, man, you don't have to wipe your feet.

WHOA, we're smoking toilet paid.

Project X open here.

Tyler had been calm and collected despite the fact that his house was actively being destroyed.

But all that changed when some half naked guy ran into the house.

With a mailbox oh God.

Saying he had stolen it from a neighbor's yard.

That's when Tyler flipped out.

He started yelling about how that was a felony.

He was scared the cops were gonna come bust up the party.

Someone ended up taking the mailbox like back.

Outside, yeah, yeah, go put it back, dude.

Someone tried to enter into the master bedroom, but the door was locked.

They assumed maybe some kids were using drugs behind the door.

A foot long, dark colored stained kind of seemed to go under the door into the bedroom.

Okay, but nobody's really questioning, like, what is this dark stain on the floor?

Yeah, well, I guess at this point there's no telling there.

Well, I guess not.

Others noted the smell.

People that the party described the house as having this very specific odor, like old gym clothes or dirty laundry that had sat too long.

Oh yeah, I don't so maybe musty.

They're probably smelling the blood.

Let's be honest.

The house was a mess.

As I mentioned, the ceramic tiles were just covered in grime.

Pictures had been taken off the wall or the we're hanging kind of like haphazardly, just completely disorganized.

Dishes were piled up in the sink.

I mean, this just reminds me of that party from sixteen Candles, Like is there a pizza going around on the turntable?

Okay?

Yeah?

Total control?

Farmer ted hiding.

You know, someone stuck him under the glass table.

Jake has to help him out.

The heart frog.

Anyway, As one guest was leaving the party, Tyler followed him outside and was like, hey, man, can we talk?

So uh they you know, once they're outside, he's kind of wanted to tell this guy something and Tyler.

There's of course, like friends out of the lawn partying, throwing their cups around or whatever that they're doing.

So Tyler's like, you guys all need to go back in the house so the neighbor doesn't call the cops.

They do this.

So once everybody had left, Tyler tells this person quote, dude, I did some things.

I might go to prison.

I might go away for life.

I don't know, dude.

I'm freaking out right now.

Okay, it's just the drugs.

Man, freaking out right now.

I think I said that to you on Saturday night, and it might have been the drugs now.

Tyler then said he had murdered somebody, and this friend is like, uh, yeah, don't tell me that.

I don't need to know.

That's not my business.

I don't want to be as yourself.

Damn a little true crime fan right here, y'all.

Well, yeah, I don't know.

No.

When Tyler went back into the house, another guest thanked him for the hospitality, like, yo, man, this party has been really fun.

It's so awesome things for throwing this party, and Tyler was like, yeah, I wanted to do something fun before I leave, And then he told the guy, I'm going to kill myself.

When the guy's like, you know, why are you gonna do that, Tyler said he'd done something really bad and would go to prison for a long time.

Okay.

Tyler's best friend was Michael Mandel.

They had known each other since they were eight years old.

Now, during the party, they had spent a lot of time together.

You know.

Obviously, Michael's kind of like socializing, while Tyler's was described as just sort of standing there like zoned out.

So he's kind of wigged out, right, Yeah, coming down off the drugs, right, maybe reality starting to set in on him.

People.

Little do people know that this guy's actually murdered both his parents.

Tyler asks Michael to come outside with them, so they walked down to the end of the block and that's when Tyler told his friend, I killed my parents.

At first, Michael didn't believe him.

Is this a sick joke?

But Tyler tells him to look in the driveway.

He's like, parents' cars are parked there, and if they were out of town, why would their cars be at the house.

Then Tyler told him to go look in the garage.

When Michael peered in, he saw a bloody footprint.

Damn.

That's when Tyler took him to the master bedroom.

He noticed there was some blood on the door.

Tyler unlocked the room and just reveals this bedroom, which again is just in disarray.

There's chairs and furniture piled up on the floor, blood soaked towels, just crazy.

And then among this debris, Michael could see a leg, a human leg sticking out.

Yes, oh my gosh.

Tyler then goes into great detail explaining the afternoon's events, how he had taken drugs, he'd grabbed the hammer, he killed his parents.

Michael rushes out of the bedroom, but he stays at this party for forty five minutes.

She even poses for selfies with Tyler.

Oh, he didn't want to miss the end of the party.

The party died at two am, no pun intended.

When someone announced there was another party happening, everybody went outside and started getting into their cars.

Tyler was annoyed by this and started asking, like, where's everybody going, So around fourteen cars left the Hadley neighborhood at the same time.

However, when they pulled up to this other party, uh, there was actually no party, and the girl who lived there came outside in her pajamas and was like, what are y'all doing here?

There's not a party?

Oh what the hell?

Leave?

Okay, go away.

It's two in the morning.

So this convoy uh starts leaving the house and a neighbor named Rayan Wallace calls police.

She had noticed a group of boys congregating on her lawn and kind of looking into her window, and that was the final straw.

Now it's this at Tyler's house.

Yes, okay.

So the Hadleys were not known for throwing wild parties, and she couldn't understand why they were letting Tyler and his friends run amok.

They'd never I mean, they had two boys, she had never seen anything like this before, but they.

Were for the most part, leaving them to it.

Well, she thinks that his parents are just allowing this to go.

On, right, because the neighbors are obviously seeing.

This happen, right, So she calls the police, and when they arrived, the party had significantly dwindled down to like twenty or less guests.

Tyler told everyone to hide in his bedroom.

Okay.

Then he goes to the door, answers the door, and police tell him we've had a noise complaint.

Well, I can't imagine why, officer.

And you need to keep it quiet.

And so there's nobody in the house.

They don't go in the house.

They just give him a warning, Oh, okay, you need to be quiet whatever's going on over here, and he's like, oh, you know, everybody left, okay.

So after they leave, the party goes on, Dylan, it just continues.

Some of Tyler's guests came back to the house realizing the other party wasn't happening.

Now you're son.

Tyler had told his friend Michael that he was going to kill himself after having confessed the hide murderer's parents.

Tyler had ten percocets he planned to use in the suicide.

So Michael gets the medicine of the drugs and hides it from him, okay, so he can't harm himself with those pills.

Around two thirty am, after the police left, Tyler began acting really paranoid.

They described him as like walking around, He's checking the windows, he's pulling down the blinds, He's just like pacing around nervously.

Then he started turning off the lights in the front part of the house.

So Michael's there and he knows what happened.

Yeah, he's the one person that truly knows what happen.

He's there when the police come and still doesn't reach out, doesn't you know, go outside and you know, talk to police or anything, Which is kind of weird, right.

Well, hold that thought.

Nearing five am, Tyler posted another Facebook status saying that there was going to be a party at my house again.

Hmu oh tonight.

Yeah, he's planning to keep the party going, okay, But what he didn't know is after everyone's left the party, everybody's cleared out, is that Michael, his best friend, had called the crime Stoppers hotline and told the police.

Everything, Oh damn okay.

When officers arrived, they noted three vehicles in the driveway, each registered to the Hadley family.

One if the officers could hear someone talking inside the house.

So he approaches the house and kind of looks into a bay window and he could see someone walking around talking to himself.

This person seemed to be in distress.

The officer watched Tyler grab books from a shelf and just walk them to what looked like a bedroom and just started like throwing the books into this bedroom.

So he's continuing to pile things into the bedroom on top of his parents' body.

Yes, and he repeated this two more times.

Finally the officer rings the doorbell and starts knocking.

That's when Tyler turns off the rest of the lights inside the house and then answers.

The door okay.

Tyler was ordered to put his hands up, walk out of the house, and he was checked for weapons.

One of the officers at this point has like drawn.

Down on him, so they're not taking any chance.

They put him in cuffs.

We need to check the house.

Tyler made a comment about going to Rock Road, which is where the gail was located, something like we'll goes, I'm going to or like something like that.

When officers tried to go inside the house, Tyler told them, you know, don't go in there, don't enter.

But inside, officers found the house completely destroyed, furniture overturned, of course, there's beer cans, empty cups everywhere.

They found the black lab Sophie locked in Tyler's closet.

This poor dog's been in a closet like all day, damn.

And it turns out he put the lab in the closet before he killed his parents because he thought the dog would try to protect them.

What a piece of shit.

Yeah, when the officers near the master bedroom, they start noticing there's blood smeared, you know, the doorframe, the baseboards, and it looks like it's streaked into the room like drag marks.

They made entry into the room.

Tyler was immediately arrested and charged with double homicide.

Right, I mean, because of course the gig is up.

They find his parents in the room.

Now, as you can imagine, words spreads quickly around Port Saint Lucy and most people were in shock.

The guests who'd attended Tyler's party were freaked out, like most of them didn't know they had been hanging out all night in a murder house with bodies in the next room.

Some people said like they didn't care, it didn't bother them.

That's weird, which I find very strange.

But again, some of these kids just seem really cold and callous, like whatever.

I mean.

Okay, just imagine when you were younger in this similar scenario.

Wouldn't everyone be freaked out that you knew?

Yeah, I mean, you couldn't imagine there'd be anybody who's like, ok, that's kind of cool, No, Right, no, No, everyone would be disturbed that they were just uh that A the person had done this and b that they'd hung out in the room or in the house.

Yeah, I mean I would have been bad bodies.

Why, like you, Why did you throw a part?

I mean, that's like the last thing that you should do, right, right, You've murder your parents?

I don't know.

Tyler is charged as an adult, though he would be ineligible for the death penalty given his age.

Now.

Upon his arrest, Tyler had made some claims that Blake Hadley had punched him in the face, Yet Tyler told others his parents had never physically or sexually abused him.

His brother Ryan said that Tyler was a pathological liar and that his parents were wonderful people.

Yeah.

Yeah, I forgot about the other brother.

Once in jail, Tyler blamed psychiatric medication and other drugs for his behavior.

He wrote a friend saying, I regret everything I did.

It's the pills man, which he was actually talking about one of the psychiatric medicines, okay, which I think was like talprium or SELECTSA or something like that.

And so he's blaming it on the antidepress.

Well, it doesn't surprise me.

And he also had a prescription for hydroxyzine, which is like an app it's an antihistamine that some people take for anxiety.

Okay, but you know he's blaming that and the antidepressant.

On It's not just it's the.

It's the antidepressant and the the antihistamine that did this to me.

It's anything but me personal responsibility.

Yeah, that's not that's not what made this happen.

Yeah, Tyler had told his best friend Michael that he had been planning the murder for a long time and then he had even waited for his brother to move out so that he could go through with it.

Because again he's talking about this all the time.

Well no, just like him putting the dog away, right, He didn't want anything to interfere with him his ability to kill his parents.

And as you can imagine, this story was huge news, especially in Florida, but it was picked up you know nationally.

Tyler was calling himself hammer Boy or hammer time jail okay, Hambo.

Yeah, he became somewhat of like a celebrity in this county jail among the other inmates okay, who were just like whoa, there's hambo.

There's hambo.

Don't let him into the wood shop.

No, don't try to build a birdhouse with him.

While awaiting trial, Tyler finished his ged and scored twenty one hundred on the SAT.

So it sounds like he had potential if he had just stopped dicking around.

Well, yeah, there you go.

I mean, what can you.

Do in jail?

Tyler was an avid reader.

He had regular visits from a priest and made comments that he would like to become ordained once he was released.

Yeah, because I mean, I want to have pastoral advice from someone like this.

Letters to his grandparents, Tyler wrote about being plagued with guilt.

He showed a lot of remorse in these letters.

The Happy's funeral was held at Saint Lucie Catholic Church.

About a thousand people attended.

Mary Joe was a devoted Catholic and she served as a lecturer at the church and the Sunday following her murder, she was actually supposed to read like a passage, you know, in front of the congregation.

So very involved.

Yeah.

While many of his friends tried to understand what had happened, some pointed to his parents.

One girl told Rolling Stone that it was their fault because they wouldn't let Tyler quote be himself.

But his parents had high expectations and Tyler could never do anything right, so they were asking for it.

Basically.

See that's the mindset right there.

That's problematic.

Whenever it's everyone else's everyone else is to blame.

But you I just don't understand that.

Well, that sounds like a how our justice system is going now now.

In the end, Tyler pleaded no contest to two counts of first degree murder with a weapon.

This plea came less than a month before he was scheduled to go to trial for the double murders.

He was given a life sentence due to his age.

He appealed and Tyler was resentenced in twenty sixteen, but was again given life in prison.

And this was just simply because there were some kind of there's some kind of law or something about you know, juveniles like in their sentencing.

So they re sentenced him after he was not a juvenile anymore, Is that right?

Well?

No, he was.

I mean they were like they'd send a sentenced him to life.

And then there were some laws or some legislation or something about juveniles charged as adults, and like, I guess, you know, they're not allowed to have the death penalty and whatever.

So he appealed and it went before a judge who gave him the same sentence, basically like, sorry, you don't get a free ride.

Oh okay, I don't know all the details.

Dylan, No, I see what you're saying.

He's asking me stuff.

So it's almost like a review of sorts.

I guess, well, you know, see, that's another thing our society does, I think.

But he still gets a review after serving twenty five years.

Okay, which is a bullshit.

I think, Well, certain acts should get you death.

I think the cold blooded murder of both your parents, who you even you admitted there was no type of horrible abuse, sexual, physical, or whatever.

Seemed like they just wanted what's the best for you.

Seemed like just hard working, regular folks right providing for you and your brother wanting the best for you.

It's very uh, this is a very monstrous act.

I don't think you deserve to continue to live.

Yeah, there's really no excuse.

There's no excuse.

What you did was senseless.

Seventeen years old, cold blood, old enough to know better.

Yeah, you know, right, I'm wrong.

He has some you know, some kind of issues, but nothing so bad as to where he didn't know what he was doing or you know, you can't have an insanity plea or anything like that.

He knew better, he just decided to do it.

And I think that's really fucked up.

And I don't think just because he happens to be under this you know, magic age of eighteen, I don't understand.

It doesn't negate the fact that you brutally murdered your parents to both of them with a hammer.

Yeah, brutally and this very physical, very personal, up close way.

Right, And I don't care if a thirteen year old does that.

I don't think they.

I'm sorry.

Maybe that's a cold way.

Maybe people don't understand how I can view it like that.

But something's wrong with you if you do something like this just out of nowhere to your own family, your own parents, and you need to everyone else needs to be protected from you, including people in jail, because I think you're something's wrong, You're broken, whatever it is, I don't.

Know what is your malfunction private now.

In a civil complaint, Ryan Hadley wanted a declaration that Tyler would be prohibited from receiving any inheritance from his parents' estate, so he like sued his brother.

There was a lawsuit kind of like went before a judge, and the house, as I mentioned, was seized by the bank, and they ended up demolishing the home and giving the property to the county or whatever.

It's because the house went into foreclosure.

Oh, because nobody's paying the house payment, okay, and nobody's going to want to live there, and nobody wants to live there, and the bank just like it was the right thing to do, okay, right.

Ryan released a book called A Thousand Fireflies, Living in the Aftermath of My Parents' Murders, in which he delves into the grieving process and how he survived the ordeal.

Ryan worked with a counselor to get through what he described as opposing realities that he can be angry with his brother but also love him because they were very close to growing up, and he had a really hard time kind of reconciling these feelings of anger but also like love for his brother.

Oh, I guess that would be hard, right, Yeah, I mean I can't imagine having to deal with that.

Well, I think you know, when you get in these situations like with parents where one of their kids kills a sibling like you, they feel you know, you're torn, like you love your kids and you can be angry, but you also love them.

It's real tricky.

Yeah, must family stuff's tricky.

Let's be a really hard position to be put into.

Ryan was only able to re establish a relationship with his brother once Tyler was sentenced to life in prison.

He had He said, he needed to know that his parents were going to get justice and that Tyler was going to be put away before he could like rekindle that relationship or whatever.

Damn.

I mean, the dynamics there, it's so strange, right, but it's something that it has to be dealt with, right in some way.

So Ryan has a visitor to his brother in prison.

Tyler is now at Liberty Correctional Institute or institution okay in Florida.

And he do you get life with no?

Oh?

You said?

He gets a review after twenty five hours.

He's sentenced to life in prison.

But I guess it's with the possibility of parole after twenty five years, maybe right, But I just don't think he'd deserves it.

Yeah, I remember this happening either I remember it happening or I've heard a podcast on it before and it just struck me as such a weird case.

Yeah, right, No, it's very disturbing.

I mean it's almost like he had these issues with his parents, but it kind of seems like he did it so he could throw this stupid party.

Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much the gist of this crime.

Yeah, I mean, it seemed to be the catalyst what pushed him over.

The yell, so he could throw a party just so he could have like one night of feeling cool or something.

So weird, it's weird and sad.

I don't know, it's such a messed up case.

And I hate that he did this to his parents because they really did seem like lovely people.

You know, everyone had good things to say about them, Right, Well, a thousand Ryan is left with out his parents.

Look, a thousand people are not going to show up to your funeral.

And I'm sure I know those thousand people didn't know them personally, right, I'm sure most a lot of it was just you know, it kind of shocked the community.

But you're not a you can't be a terrible person if that many people show up at your funeral, your memorial.

Right, you're good people, and that's what really drives that kind of community rallying around me.

Right and his mother had been a teacher, and former students said, you know, she was just a really wonderful teacher.

She wouldn't give up on you.

Touched a lot of young you know, touched a lot of lives right with her teaching career.

Just really sad.

Dylan, God, these family annihilators, dude.

Yeah, I'm kind of glad we're almost through November so we can wrap it up.

These cases are like super depressing and sad.

Not that any of them are fun, but there's just something about it when the monster's behind the door with you, right, Yeah, your.

Guards down, you know, be careful this holiday.

Damn when you're traveling and you're around your family.

Baby, what lock the door.

When you go to bed?

Can I mark myself the mark myself saved from a family annihilator?

I mean, I'm asking.

You, that's silly, it's ridiculous.

Oh so you're saying, what am I going to do with your big, weird body.

That's what's that's what's saving me.

It's gonna smell I can't keep it in the house for very long.

This is not shelf stable.

This body's not shelf I.

Could probably like maybe roll you down the stairs into the basement.

I have lost the basement kind of like.

Already smells a little funky and stuff.

We got like that some pump thing going on, and just you know, so I can probably like throw you down there for a little bit, but then I'm gonna have to drag your ass back up the stairs to get rid of you.

Nobody's even gonna come.

Look, can I go put you in the car, and shit.

Nobody's even gonna come looking for me, dude.

And I'm not gonna dismember you, because that just seems messy and like hard work.

Well, and you're really uh, you're making a bad crime scene, hard clean up.

Dismemoring is really dumb.

I need to.

Keep you around because you have really good health insurance.

Okay, all right, so my stupid body, your health insurance.

Is keeping us together, dyling, and I need it.

The fact you can't get rid of me.

I remain take a lot of medications.

Okay, I need your pharmacy plan.

Okay, I love you too, baby, Yeah, so sweet, Yeah, all right, so thank you for that story.

Disturbing story and uh yeah, So here we are at the holidays, kick off of the holiday season.

We all hope that you have a great time, right, whoever you're doing.

I hope you have a great time.

I'm at Thanksgiving and rest and look relax.

I think everybody peace in your life.

Enjoy your family, Just have a good you know meal, don't worry, don't talk about all the craziness in the world.

Don't alienate your family over politics, religion or any of that shit.

Cultural differences what you should might not have cultural differences, you know what I'm saying.

Just enjoy social issues, yes.

Enjoy the time of your.

Family, the culture war that's happening.

And block the world out for the day and just have the time and have some laughs.

You know, have the one crazy uncle who says dumb shit, but you know, used to it just it was the one crazy uncle who said something crazy it Thanksgiving dinner, but now it seems to be everybody wants to carry on.

Just enjoy yourself, right, enjoy your family.

I bet you can guess which relative is the one that always says crazy shit and ruins it.

Yeah, my dad oh you're Oh, you're old.

He can clear a room.

Oh no, I don't think people understand.

The level of Like at Easter like a year ago or something, he offended everyone so badly that like they didn't want to come around for like.

Months, right that I think they went to a whole holiday cycle before everybody came around again.

Yeah.

Yeah, with his like offensive shit that comes out of his mouth.

What I do appreciate ate about him is he will say offensive stuff about all groups he doesn't like.

He's like an equal opportunity hater.

Yeah, it's true.

He truly hates just he hates being alive.

Yeah, and he wants everyone else to know it and to feel it.

Yeah yeah, and not enjoy themselves.

Yeah.

I mean I've never quite met someone who can clear a room.

Right, Just thank you?

All right, I plate to go, So until next week.

I'm really glad we're spending the holidays together, Dylan.

Yeah, me too, just the two of us.

With Roofy and her cat, just the two of us.

You can pour some gravy on me.

Oh yeah, what if it's hot?

Yeah, maybe I don't want to be hot.

You wanted to burn you?

Maybe I want you need to pour some gravy on your nipples, old gravy nipple, your gravy nipples.

I want you to get a biscuit and sop this up with it.

Oh god, I don't want any biscuits.

I want you to lick my plate.

I want you to suck on this sweet potato casserole.

Oh yeah, owl damn nuts sprinkled with some nuts.

Some marshmallows.

That's right, yeah, okay.

By Dylan Bye,