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All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.

It is Tuesday here at ji Lette Stadium.

And yeah, it wasn't a good game.

It wasn't a good game, particularly that second half.

Uh so we're gonna talk about that.

We're going to talk about what they need to do to get better against the Miami Dolphins.

It is Deuce, it is Evan, it is Paul.

We have no locker room or practice obligations today, so we'll be everybody will be here for the whole two hours to break this down and get right.

So get right, episode right here, get right.

But I will have to say that the hysteria that's going on Paul shows and otherwise it's everybody right now is in a funk.

And uh, you know, it wasn't a good game.

But come on, it's week one.

It's week one.

It's like the five stages of a Patriots loss.

Yes, right, so you'll be angry and the immediate aftermath that the team didn't play well and you sort of address it, then you immediately just blash out at the media for being upset about well.

The first the first stage of stages of a loss.

First stage is denial.

And yeah, I left out the referees, car right.

So that's the first stage.

You know, we're saying that, No.

It's we're kidding around.

I think the Raiders just gonna call for another penalty.

Hard to blend the ress of this.

But yeah, it's so let's you know, we talked about it in the post game show a lot, but it did seem to me that in the second half Carol went into the locker room or whoever and said to his team, we're given and this offense too much respect.

Let's just go Adams.

They definitely got more aggressive in the second half, and the Patriots had problems with that, you.

Know, defense.

The problem with the defense is they just gave up too many big plays, too many chunk plays.

I think at times they played well against the run, they played well against you know, the short field, but they had breakdowns.

And we kind of predicted that going into this season that this was going to be a more aggressive defense, and when they got when they screwed up, they'd screw up big or you know, relatively big.

I really well against the run.

I wasn't expecting that.

I thought I thought they would be susceptible a little bit to the run, I thought, and I gave you your props in the post game.

I thought they would try to really establish Genti and the Patriots took him out.

They did a good job of containing him, but it was everything else that was a problem.

Yeah, yeah, don't.

I mean, I think a little bit of separation has been good.

And see some of the other results around the league, and there are a lot of teams that struggle.

Half the team's lost half is when in fact, I think that's fifty percent exactly.

The team's lost Week one, its loss is well, Miami always go to a point the h I don't know if this is a great comparison, but I woke up this morning and as I like to do when I'm hanging out, I like to scroll Twitter a little bit, and I watched the first half of the game last night, the Vikings and the Bears, and of course Twitter doesn't work anymore like it just feeds you a bunch of like tweets from last night, and basically my timeline was just filled with people saying how terrible to A.

J.

McCarthy was and that that was a miss and that you know, everything needs to be reevaluated and Kevin O'Connell, and of course, knowing the result of the game, I was like, are we just a little bit too crazy about going on to a result?

And people are just so quick to make a complete universal judgment off of you know, one half, yes or one game, so yes.

Look I think for me, was this the same Patriots team that we saw, you know, win against the Bills or you know, lose last year?

Like it was losses all look the same in the NFL.

Like you lose a game, your defense didn't get quite enough stops, your offense didn't put enough quite enough points.

And I think that's what people are just so quick to say, that's it.

It's the same thing.

We're gonna be four win again.

Maybe they will be, but I'm not ready to make a blanket judgment about this team with you know, a quarterback who's still very inexperienced.

They need some time, a defense that has a lot of new pieces that's all coming together.

So look, I've seen back to back four wins, four win seasons, Like it's gonna take a lot to get me like this really start feeling like we have some momentum.

Again, it hasn't really started yet, but that doesn't mean that it won't in week two, Week three, week four, And you need to be patient a little bit.

There's some good things to build off of.

It wasn't all great, but just because they lost this first game doesn't mean that's it.

Drake May has done, Mike Rabel can't coach.

The defense is going to be the same pathetic thing it was last year.

You have to wait and see, and I'm just trying to be patient.

It's just the start of a long, long year.

Yeah.

I mean I had one person say I'm not watching another game until they make major changes.

They fired their head coach after one year and basically turned over the roster and the coaching staff.

So, you know, twenty eight new players.

That's kind of a major team.

Yeah.

So again, I'm not happy with this result.

There's very little silver lining that I take out of this game.

I saw some individual plays that I like, but the team as a whole did not play well special teams, defense, offense.

So there's a lot of improvement that needs to be done.

But it's it's weak.

It's week one.

It's week one.

As a knock the mouse across the room, so even I have to take a step back and say, Okay, breathe, take some deep reaths.

Let's go into Miami.

Let's get a win, which, by the way, I'm early guaranteed we're gonna win this freaking game.

I mean, not to get ahead of it, but it's a big game.

I mean both ways.

It's like, okay, I mean positivity on that side.

I don't want to touch the Dolphins just yet, but what a huge game.

The Dolphins are.

They playing to save their regime right now.

I don't care if they had won this week.

I'm saying we're winning.

Yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see.

I mean, it's uh, that's gonna be a great matchup.

Chatting about it, Fred was saying the Patriots are going to win their next game.

Yep, I didn't see Who didn't see that coming?

Guaranteeing it?

Guarantee who didn't guaranteeing it?

I'm just bad because I thought the Patriots are gonna win and they didn't.

Yeah, I'm mad.

I think, uh, you know, what you guys said was was fair.

It's it's one game, it's it's week one.

But I don't really care that they lost.

The result isn't what I'm concerned about.

It's how it looked like the the yesterday was a dark day for me with the offense, like the tape is it was dark, okay, like they.

Just shut off those lights.

All right, what's the into that?

Because you had your after further view that I hope everybody they listened, watched and read.

If there was one thing that you would say, okay, if this thing was better, they would have had a you know, more competitive second half.

Give me one thing, the run game, okay, but that goes into that is what the blocking.

Yeah, okay, we can unpack it.

But like just big picture wise, they are not built to drop back fifty three times.

They can't play that way.

Like, I just don't really envision.

The stats say that most teams aren't.

Most teams when they throw over fifty times lose, But I'm not talking to you theirception.

They're obviously not going to throw fifty times every game, right, I'm just saying they're not built to be a high volume passing game, Like that's just not.

They don't have the infrastructure around Drake made to support that.

Like their line is still a work in progress.

The receiving room is still work in progress.

He's still a work in progress.

Like they're just not They're not going to be able to do to be a high volume passing offense.

So in order to get some of this going in the right direction offensively, they've got to be able to run the football.

WHOA, don't start behind.

Yeah, they might just jump in to help Evan out because you know, Mike my Stat's coming right to help Evan out a little bit here.

They didn't go into this game thinking that they wanted to throw the have may attempt forty six pass?

That was the game play.

Okay.

The reason that they had to do that wasn't because they fell behind.

It was because they couldn't do anything else.

That's what forced them to throw the ball on twenty two of the final twenty three plays in one.

Score game until midway through the fourth quarter.

Correct, they were never chasing until very very late in the game.

But that's why the numbers got thrown out.

Of whack, but you end up having to throw because you can't run, and everybody, I shouldn't say everybody, because everybody gets mad when I do that.

I thought they would be able to run the ball a little bit more successfully with the change that they made on the offensive line.

The young linemen are all come in with reputations of being stronger run blockers.

For one game, You guys are right, it's one game.

That's where some of the disappointment lies.

They couldn't run.

So you think that they realized we just can't run or did they not give it enough?

Oh?

No, I think they gave it.

I think they gave it plenty of time they I mean, eighteen carries is not nothing.

They'rerunning fifteen times in the first.

Half into three times in the second half.

Into a brick wall.

And I think the biggest thing with the run game is obviously it starts and ends with bocking.

Oh hold on, if you don't move, do you think three times in the second half is it?

They didn't have the ball in the second half, or they went three and out, three and out, three and out, like you don't have time to like rack up carries like they didn't do anything.

Well in the second half, they got dominated the last thirty minutes of the game.

I thought toward the end of the first quarter through the second quarter, the.

Patriots had control of the game.

I think they were playing.

Better than the Raiders.

I thought so too.

Now the problem was, in a span of over sixteen minutes, the Patriots had the ball and at the same time the Raiders had it for three but they couldn't score.

They couldn't create any separation.

I had the numbers here somewhere in my drive chart.

Yeah, sixteen oh seven to three minutes and fifty seconds over three possessions each side, and you couldn't take advantage of that.

The Patriots had opportunities to move to finish drives and they couldn't.

And I think Evans reason is why they couldn't run the ball.

If you can't run the ball, like, they're just not built to be a drop back pass team.

They're not the Bengals.

They don't have Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and T Higgins like they have a team right now that needs scheme.

They need scheme related conflict.

You know, play action, RPO, you know, things that make the defense off balance and not really certain.

We talked about this in the post game.

Could one of the reasons be that they're having trouble running the ball?

Is the team other teams don't, aren't worried about getting beat over them, and they're and they're playing the they're stacking the box, so they're ready for anything short or run.

They're ready for any of that.

And I was thinking about when Rex Ryan was the head coach of the Jets and they, I forget what they called it, but they seem to have a blueprint for the Patriots offense back then, which I think Josh was the OC back then, they funneled everything to the middle.

They were keeping everything to the middle of the field, and they felt that that was the recipe to beat that type of offense.

And if you don't, if you're not worried about stuff behind you, it's you're playing up.

You're ready for any short stuff.

All the screens, by the way, that didn't work either.

The screens in the run play.

The running game was right playing right into the defense that the Raiders were showing you.

But they were playing two high and three high zone.

So like they they're they're taking away the deep part of the field with the coverages that they're playing.

That's the Seattle three system.

Like they don't want to give up big plays.

They want to make you nickel and I'm down the field.

And when you can't run the football into those looks, then you turn the quarterback into Tom Brady.

Like, now he's got to stand there and he's got to pick apart short zones.

And May is just not consistent enough at this point of his career throwing the football.

Guys getting over it.

But yeah, guys are open, but like he's either sailing throws or he's passing up underneath throws looking for bigger plays.

And Okay, so I'm going to challenge you a little bit earlier.

I said, you said the one thing I would improve is the run game.

But that run game wasn't working.

So the one thing, from what you're telling me is Drake May has to be better.

He had the game wasn't working because of their own doing.

He has to be better in that short game to overcome the deficiency when you can't run the ball.

But he's not.

But that's not the type of passer that he is.

So you're like, you're asking.

Shouldn't never yet NFL quarterback be that type of passer.

I've got to take the profit.

You got to take the profit.

But like you can't.

Like the run game, I think was not working because of their own doing.

Like the Raiders, their defensive line did some stunting up front that I don't think that they were totally prepared for.

But once that declared, and once you saw what they were kind of doing from a run game perspective, you should be able to adjust.

Like the run game to me had two big issues.

I think the main one was their first level blocking wasn't good enough, so they weren't getting guys up to the second level of the defense because there was immediate penetration on the line of scrimmage.

So now like they're trying to lead tight ends and full backs up to the second level, but there's guys in their way because the offensive linemen are getting beat on the line of scrimmage, So you can't get up to that second level of the defense.

The other thing is is it's just vanilla like they just they just don't have a ton of window dressing.

There's just not a ton of scheme, there's not a ton of motion.

They were thirtieth in the league in Week one in motion rate down by the bottom of the league.

Like, to me, it just wasn't creative or exotic enough, where all you're doing is you're going under center and you're turning around and handing the ball off to Ramandre Stevenson.

Like it's just not you're not really creating enough com.

Something you said.

I'm not going to accept that.

Drake isn't that type of pass.

You have to, Like, I don't know what we're like, you're trying.

In the NFL, every quarterback should be able to recognize and be accurate within ten yards of things that happen.

I disagree.

I don't think a lot of the quarterbacks that you see nowadays that are really succeeding across the league are those kinds of guys.

I don't think that Josh Allen plays that way.

When they have to be, they can do it.

That's what that's my point is, Like.

Okay, you know, I don't know what to tell you, Like he's not there yet, Like he's just not that kind of guy yet.

So if you're going to ask him to throw, you know, six and eight yard option routes all game long, he's going to spray the ball and he's going to misthrow.

If that's what's open to you, if that's how you're going to have to move it down the field, then you have to do that.

You can't force things.

If they're giving you something, take it until until.

Evan's trying to tell you that that's not my strong suit.

He doesn't.

He lacks some accuracy with some of those throws.

And I think there was a perfect illustration was the drive after the pick in the third quarter.

Mike.

You talked about this in the postgame show.

Easy Drivestarter, you know, short little sit route for a hunter, Henry, he missed him by a significant amount.

That's not abnormal for him.

He loses his accuracy at the time.

Problem.

Okay, that's a problem for a lot of quarterbacks in the league.

They don't they don't throw the ball like Brady exactly where they want to won every throw.

There's a lot of guys that Caleb Williams lost his accuracy at times.

Last night I was watching a little of that and he got off to a great start.

He looked really.

Comfortable, and then all of a sudden he wasn't quite as sharp.

But it's a hard way to play.

It's a hard thing to do.

I know, it seems like, oh well, any NFL quarterback should be able to make that.

My guy drew bledsoe.

That was not his strong suit.

He succeeded in the league for ten years.

He was never asked to do it.

I don't think it was a It was a different game back then.

I think May was tight too.

It wasn't just that this was how he is, which he has those kinds of inconsistency issues, but to me, right out of the gate, it just seemed like he was on edge, wasn't loose, relaxed ready, And I don't know why that was.

I agree with that mechanics in this game doesn't look comfortable or rough.

That's you know, that's if my other big concern like outside, Like to me, May and McDaniels are the two biggest concerns coming out of this game.

I didn't really particularly think that they.

Are just going to get mad.

I did much with the play calling that I you know, more so the play design.

You know, I was expecting a little bit more.

I thought this was very vanilla.

And I know it's week one, but you know, you go and you turn on Colts Dolphins, and you're not seeing vanilla.

You're you're not You're seeing a bunch of different things going on offensively that that's putting the defense into mines.

I think they were a little bit vanilla with the play calling, and then I think Drake May's mechanics were not just to for work, like the whole from head to toe.

What he was seeing and where where is no I actually.

Thought, I actually thought he saw the field decently well.

It was actually throwing the ball with accuracy and precision.

Because I do think that they had some open guys.

I'm often like, well, the receivers don't give him a lot of help.

I think there were some opportunities.

I thought he had some guys open and missed them, whether he threw it to him or didn't didn't.

Look that the interception, I mean, from my view, it seemed like if he got out.

A little bit earlier.

I mean, Diggs was clearing in his zone right there, he was open, and then it was just a little it.

Was a little late and he got You know, I'm wondering how many how many calls where Diggs was the primary look, because I think he should be every time he's out there if it's a pass play.

So that's another one that might be second guessable.

I don't know if this was physical, but he was not a huge part of this game in terms of I mean, his his snaps were down.

I know everybody's focusing on the running backs because that's evidently the key is we got to just send Stevenson to the bench and give it everything to Henderson.

Even though Henderson had more touches than Stevenson.

Which one of your shows say that all of them, all of them, they're all, They're all universally, the single key to success is to just eliminate Stevenson and focus on Henderson.

And I love Henderson, but he had eleven touches in this game.

I don't think that's a small number for a guy making his first career appearance.

I think that's a good amount for a secondary back.

Anyway, Diggs did not play a lot in this game.

From a snap what do you have, like twenty five twenty, I think he was under thirty snaps.

Hanas Oh, I'm.

Sorry, yea thought I thought it was even later.

He was third behind the half foody in Douglas.

But he was behind the other guys.

Yeah, Douglas and every time.

I mean I didn't I didn't see a whole lot from Diggs in this game that reminded me of the old Digs.

There was the one player on the quick slant that I think he immediately uncovered.

It was the last player of the third quarter convert a big third down at the time.

But if he if he's healthy enough to be out there and be a part of it, then let's let him.

Let him try to be Diggs.

Yeah.

I kind of agree with you, Fred, I think he's the best receiver they have now.

Booty was the best receiver Sunday, right.

Booty played terrific.

He did.

I thought he played a really good game.

Yeah, but I think Diggs offers a little bit more.

I mean, who would have at least I hope on the first game that the you know, if there was someone that was going to have one hundred yards, it'd be Booty.

I mean that was pretty good.

Good for him.

Yeah, he ran a lot of really strong round.

He played well.

Yeah, he was good in the game.

Good hands.

Just to point Henderson and what Evan was kind of saying with mc daniels is just it was disappointed.

They weren't able to seem him open, and it just seemed like the Raiders were sitting there waiting for them to try to throw those screen passes.

I think there was one where it was Jermaine Pratt where he just danced next to Henderson.

There were times that he would I think there were times that he was the focus of the play and it didn't even go to him, like you didn't even get a target, Like they didn't send him on the one final route.

I don't know why he doesn't get one route down the field.

I don't think I tracked one route.

I didn't see one wheel route either.

I mean to Evit's point about the exotic nature of the what he thought the offense should be.

There was never a point where you said, oh, you know, the Raiders defense is on their heels.

They were always able to play going forward.

You know, Digs played twenty nine snaps by the way.

I thought maybe it was.

But twenty nine snaps, Like, yeah, that's not enough to me unless it's because that's all he could do.

Yeah physically right.

I just think like they were always they were always on their on their on their toes.

Yeah, I just like none of that.

Like I think Diggs is going to have a ramp up here and Diggs will be fine, but they just they got to get the quarterback tied together mechanically, like his his feet and even just the way just like if you watch the way that his body on coils when he's throwing the football, like he's just not firing the right way to be if you have those types of mechanics, like you're going to spray the ball like you just you're not going to be consistent with your accuracy when there's so many moving parts to your mechanics.

And then I think the second thing is just you know, when you're under center running the football, like teams that run the center under center effectively are using a lot of motion like you don't.

You're not running the fall from under center with stagnant formation where you're just coming out and you're just running it right at the defense.

You're having some sort of window dressing or eye candy with motion that's you know, affecting the defense in some sort of way, you know, opening space, forcing communication, you know that sort of thing.

If you're a gun run team, then you're running options.

You know, the quarterbacks involved you're read options, your RPOs, that sort of thing.

And if you just are a team that's just going to hand the ball off and run it right up the middle, it's that is not really being super success.

Just one question for you, because they like, were you surprised they weren't really under center all that much?

I mean it seemed like, I mean, no, that was a thing for you.

You don't really feel like Drake's and under center kind of guy.

I mean, yeah, I know schematically you weren't happy, but at least it seem like they had him way more in the gun, right, I forget what the exact numbers, Yeah, like.

Eighty five percent.

I mean, I don't know how much.

Of that was as passes.

It was almost exclusive because.

They just decided to abandon the run game in the second half.

But you know, to me, it's just like, again, if you're you're just either drop back passing from stagnant formation or you're handing the ball off from stagnant formation, and there's really nothing pre snap that is really putting the defense into any sort of blender whatsoever.

So should they have abandoned the run in the second half.

The way that they were trying to run the ball.

Yeah, because they weren't going to be able to run the ball that way.

You know, if they had something else that they could have gone to in the running game, you know, a left hook or something like that, that would have caught the Raiders off guard.

And shit, it's a fair question that you're at.

I mean, it's the chicken or the egg.

Did they abandon the run and that's why they didn't run the ball in the second half, or did they not do anything well in the second half and they didn't have enough place to run the ball and pass it.

But you're not wrong to ask the question.

They only ran it I think twice legitimately.

I think there was like a scramble for me.

So even like the runs in the second half weren't really designed runs.

I think they had one to to Mario Douglas and one to Antonio Gibson.

I think they only had two actual running plays in the second half, which you can look at that and say that that's not enough.

You can't do that.

But I do wonder had they knock gone three and out whatever I think it was three times in a row or something like that.

Right, you know, you get a first down and does that you know, like the first down throw to Hunter Henry as an example on the second possession of the second half.

If that's complete, do you run the ball in the next play on second and three?

Yeah, you know, but because he overthrows him, now it's second and ten.

I meant to run the ball in second down, but now I can't.

Yeah, you wonder there's a chicken or the egg thing.

Yeah, I think two people are so primed I think to be terrified of the pass protection that I heard David Andrews say the same thing, like he was okay with the pass protection, but really the run blocking and you know, just the coordination of the run game that was really concerning to me.

The pass protection was not terrible.

Ina, I think it's an easy place to start looking forward that if you can get the run game going early, take some pressure off of Drake, not have to force him to be perfect, and open up some of those opportunities downfield for play action.

You know, it's an easy place to start with fixes get the run game.

A quick question from Mike and Evan, because you guys definitely do more of the draft prep work, right, How was Drake in college on zone reads as like a potential runner.

That's another one.

Yeah, I mean I think mostly they use him in that capacity in like shorty ard angelot red zone, Like I don't think you're Lamar Jackson first and ten from the thirty five and we're going to zone rea.

So like first play of a two minute drill and at the end of the first half as an example, but when I'm asking it, because some guys, whether or not they're dynamic runners, is not necessarily the key on his own read like does he sell the fake well?

Does he hold it long enough, does he threaten that end?

Does he force that?

I mean, you were watching in Evan's point.

Again, no one's comparing him to Lamar Jackson.

But what Lamar Jackson was doing the Buffalo the other night was unbelievable.

How he was getting those guys to get on an island and commit.

Now, eventually they finally made a couple of plays on him, Joey Bosa, who I thought actually looked pretty good, but you talk about a tough, tough assignment for a guy having to deal with that.

You could see him as soon as Bosa would make a step here, Lamar's out the back door as soon as he takes a step up feeling he's.

Handing it takes one step.

Is that something that Drake may it was any good at at North Carolina sort of putting that defensive end on an island.

Yeah, I think he can do it, but it's not even just like you could also put pass routes on.

It took with our pos and so that way there, you know you have it's all numbers.

It's all like the run game is all numbers.

You have to have as many numbers of blockers as there are defenders, and you want to keep the furthest guy away from the ball.

If you're going to have to leave somebody unblocked, you want to keep him as the unblocked defender, which gets into all the mic points and all the adjustments from you know, pre snap fronts and things like that.

And I just look at the way that they tried to run the ball on Sunday and I just think it's too vanilla.

Like I just I don't I think that the Raiders are just going to tee off and every other team is just gonna tee off on the line of scrimmage.

Rabel's answer to the run question on Monday, not on the EI, it was when he was at the podium.

I thought it was a lot of gibberish.

I thought he like he started talking about things that they were.

Doing, the one about the play call.

I start the answer that started about the play call to me was.

It was talking about like on time, well, well they were doing different things, and he just went on and on and on.

It's like, I don't know, man, I didn't think the running game was that complicated.

You know, it's had It's like, you know, just know your assignment, so you know, I don't know.

I don't know.

It's almost like it was overthinking it.

I don't know what Mike's theory was with the way he answered some of those questions, but I did find it kind of interesting.

And you can, I know my shows have taken it the way that my shows generally do.

They turn it into a soap opera?

Is he calling out Josh McDaniels.

I'm not ready to say that.

But I did find it interesting that you're asking about your stable of running backs, which is you know, you had some firepower there, and then the answer is, well, you know, it comes down to a lot of things.

We got to get the play in on time.

Yeah, like that all that stuff is more important.

That's the but that's the first thing that comes out.

No, we understand that the lack of the run.

No one's saying that ramondre Stevenson Trevion Henderson were the reason why they couldn't run the ball.

No one would say that, right.

Would you say that it was Trevion Henderson's fault that they couldn't run the ball the other day or or oh no, but you would say it was Minder Stevenson's though, based on the look on your face.

But they had no room to run.

I mean both guys they had one or two races all over them.

I mean they neither one of them had really, It's not like they O jesup.

He had just got back here like there was nothing.

No, so we know it's a you know, it's blocking, its schemes, its sequenced.

But like to start with, we got to get the play call in on time, and we got like is he calling out the operation there?

Well, I think the play call and on time might stem from the fact that the quarterback is the one setting all the mic points at the line of scrimmage.

So if he doesn't have time to get to the line of scrimmage and start calling things, and that's why they got called for a delay a game.

Drake said that after the game that he was trying to get them out of a play and into a better play and it just took too long.

And so maybe that that was where that was coming from.

Maybe I just I look at it and you know, you said scheme and blocking like that, that they did not block well in the run game, and the scheme was not good enough.

And now they had a couple of wrinkles and the gun runs with you know, they had a shovel pass read in there they had was.

A nice little wrinkle for fourteen yards.

That was the best running play they had.

Yeah, I would say that in the in the power shovel were probably the two best.

But like it, just if they can't run the football, then I just don't know how you build off of anything, like you're just you don't have enough fire.

Do you think Campbell was affected by the ankle.

I thought he looked a little slow coming out of his stance, like when he was pulling.

No.

I actually I didn't think that.

I didn't really see any limitations with him physically.

I thought he held up really well in this game, and both him and Jared Wilson kind of ran out of gas at the end, which you know, first game conditioning.

A lot of plays type things, a lot of plays and a lot of consecutive dropbacks.

Yeah, and I would think the false starts would probably be related to fatigue.

And then Jared Wilson, I know some of the pressure numbers out there aren't very good, but a lot of those came late in the game, you know.

Yeah, good last time.

I didn't think I didn't think it was it was terrible, and I don't think it was great.

I think they they definitely schemed around it.

They gave Morgan Moses, I thought a significant amount of help on Crosby, and Crosby still was active.

But I don't this game didn't break down.

Because they couldn't.

Right, It didn't look like they couldn't pass.

Cluster that you saw at times last.

Now, if they get that level of left tackle play from Campbell for the whole year, then then they'll be okay, Like he's not he's not, you know, Trent Williams, Like he's not a difference maker necessarily at that level but it's significantly better.

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Who does Paul was asking me what masa was yesterday.

We're trying to figure that out corn corn.

They added a nice, nice wrinkle in the pro press box this weeks.

Yeah, I feel like they bring those out for big games.

Yeah, season opener Sunday Night Football and.

My steak tips and Kish Let's go.

They should take requests from the visiting uh media, like you know, pull them like on Monday before the game.

What would you like?

I've heard some uh you know about how that's all done.

It's like almost like planning a wedding, you have to have a head count and you put you know, it's like you put the order in with the caterer ahead of time, and then you have to pick out a menu and it's kind of a whole process.

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

A good like the Tampas does.

Tampa still has a good spread and like the carving station.

Some places definitely have station.

Oh yeah, quite a few have, Like Miami has carbon station.

And Miami does horse ratus with that, like the horse ratish sauce with the carving station.

That's actually Miami is one of the worst.

Agreed, they are one of the worst offense.

The press box and the food is the worst.

Press box not great.

I've never noticed really anything out of the ordinary about the food.

But I agree with you guys on the location of the press box, and like the whole setup is not ideal.

All right, So we're not happy, and I don't think that they are either.

And when I say they, I mean football.

Well, I will give Deuce's defense maybe a little bit of flowers.

I thought defensively, I at least saw like an identity of like how they want to play defensively, and they made some plays on that side of the football that I was like, Okay, this is this is what they want to be, you know, this is how they want to play.

They blitzed a lot more than I was expecting, and they got burned by it a couple of times, you know, on big, big plays in the game.

But overall, like I thought, they they play with good energy, good aggression.

I'm the one where everyone's pointing to where Carlton Davis got beat.

It was an all out blitz.

I'm sorry, but like that's a fine call.

You just can't have that.

Oh I hated.

I know a lot of people hated the I had no pride and I were talking about in the post game, and I agree with Fred only because of I feel like the desperation of the situation there.

It's really not enough to force a a punt.

I think you needed to get the ball back and I think they went after it and you cannot get beat over the top in that situation if you're Davis.

Well, but it's it's it's cover zero, yeah, so just give give him a huge cushion, let him catch the ball and tackle him and to tackle him and get off the field.

And they punt.

But I think you if you're Terrell Williams there, you're going after a strip sack.

You're trying to maybe get in his face, tip a pass in the air, and you know, do what they the Patriots did to the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

Like it's not enough for us to just let them run, you know, the play and then punts.

We're not we don't have enough time, like I understand normally like third and twenty all out blitz not ideal, right, I think the situation of the game, yeah, they needed to try to do something desperate in that call for that and you know your best corner.

I trust I can't get beat by a rookie.

I gotta trust Carlton Davis to not get beat like that.

I'm sorry, you know, hats off to Eldred by the way.

You know it's Dante Thornton.

I know he him and he made he made one.

I mean he wasn't a huge part of the game, but he made made a play there.

I I guess what agreed third and twenty from your your twenty six and you send the house.

I mean DeMarcus Covington did this last year against the Rams and went for a seventy yard touchdown.

Okay, but that was in the middle of the game.

Yeah, but there wasn't like a do or die play like if that, if that passes, the game is kind of still over.

Make him check it down for eight yards and punt the football.

I don't understand.

And that's what Carlton Davis should have done.

But Carls that is coming up and biting on a kind of a half aass double move.

It wasn't really even a great He bites on the route because he thinks the ball's coming out because there's supposed to be pressure, like it's covered zero.

You can't just expected.

But his job is to get that, make sure that you don't get beat.

Can't get He can't a guy run by.

I mean, his job is he's on an island, like he's by.

Fine, stay on the island, don't leave the island.

Okay, I know he left left.

I don't know how you.

Can defend sending the house on third and twenty.

Because you needed to make something happen.

I'm trying to expl I mean, if you don't agree with Fred and I that's I mean, that's certainly it's not a no brainer.

Here, but a lot of people, most people agree with you.

I just don't think forcing a punt.

I think the game was still over, the damage was done.

If we want to go back the punt that the Patriots did on fourth and twenty for mid I mean fourth and ten from midfield, like is throwing a white flag up?

If you ask me, I just yeah, that was earlier.

If I was, like, you even have Marcus Jones returning the punt, like why Marcus Jones flips the field position?

Like, and that's a situation.

The last thing that you can do is give up a first down.

It's third and twenty.

You can't give up a first down.

And they left Carlon Davis on an island and he jumped the route thinking it's cover zero, this ball's coming out.

I'm gonna I'm gonna jumping routes.

I just told you why, because there's no need to.

Fred just explained to you.

Just let him catch it.

Just let him catch it and tackle.

Go call up the mccordy's and ask him what as them when you send the house as a defensive back, what are you doing?

But you had twenty yards not seven, Like you didn't have to be at his grill.

He doesn't let him catch it and tackle him.

Just make sure he doesn't get the first It's the same thing.

I thought that call, and I thought the third and eleven, third and eleven thousand percent with you.

One third and eleven from the twenty six was sending the house.

That to me didn't make any.

To me, that's instinct football.

There's no desperation.

Third and eleven from the twenty six.

Let him catch a short crossing route or something, make him check it down, tackle.

Him kick a field goal.

Yeah, it's good red zone defense, even though they weren't quite in the red zone.

The red zone, you know what I mean that.

I'm not thousand percent with Evan.

I understand your point about the logistics of it.

I just feel like the game situation called for we need to take the ball away.

If you were, if they were in scoring territory and you're trying to get a sack to knock them out of field goal range or something like that, then I can be sold on sending the house there.

But they have the whole like it's it's it's like the twenty six yard line.

Oh that was terrible.

You know, you just you can't.

It's too aggressive.

And on top of all of that, the call, how do you end up with Jalen Hawkins one on one with Trey Tucker.

Because Marcus Jones blitzed right?

No, But this is what I'm saying, So even if you're going to do that, why don't you have Marcus Jones be the guy that stays back and have Jalen Hawkins be the guy who blitzes.

Jones is a better cover guy.

Okay?

And they also on that play, if if I if I have my plays, remember properly, I'm not a big fan of anything that involves Christian Barmore in Milton Williams retreating.

Wasn't that the play They kind of put everybody up the line.

They would disguise itself here.

And some some chords here for me.

Okay, So I'll just let them.

It's part of the scheme.

So they're simulating pressure by putting all those guys up on the line of scrimmage.

So when the blocker goes to engage with Christian Barmore and Milton Williams, all their job there is just to occupy the blockers.

It's not necessarily that they drop them into coverage Like this isn't Matt Patricia dropping Trey Flowers into coverage all the time.

Like, so they when they go to rush, the idea is to get the line to block in and so that Marcus Jones coming from the nickel is unblocked off the edge.

Now, to the Raiders credit, they left the tight end in and they sniffed it out.

They were ready for it.

So they ended up getting hat on a hat anyways and blocking everybody that was coming.

But the popouts, those are called hot zones, and like really you expect when you send the pressure that they're going to run like a slant or something like that over the middle of the field right behind the pressure.

So the idea is to pop those guys out, get their hands up in the passing lanes and take away those underneath crossers and things like that to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly, so you know in that spot.

Like it's I think it's more complicated than just saying they drop them into coverage.

Like I get that that was what ended up happening, but that that I think is I.

Just want those guys being involved in getting after the quarterback all the time.

Those two guys I don't think.

Should ever be involved in sort of tricking the other team into trying to.

Do those are the who well who is like, Yeah, I think we're getting a lot of defensive.

Like the guys on the edge, you know, Landry and chase them at least if I'm going to drop them, I don't necessarily want to do that with them either.

But at least they have some mobility and they can disrupt in some of those zones and and you know, getting the getting passing lanes.

They have some what is like Milton William's going to be doing.

So you have to like if you drop the ends out, what you can do.

But if you drop the ends out, then the tackles are uncovered.

So the idea is to get all five linemen engaged in the block and that way there when the tight end goes out for his pattern and Marcus Jones blitzes, Marcus Jones is supposed to be unblocked in this situation.

The Raiders they had the right protection on and they just they got it blocked to their Yeah.

I don't want to take away the credit from the Raiders too, because they made they made a lot of good plays in this game, and they had a lot of things that they got the.

Coaching gedge in.

Did Devin White?

I get Devin White had a good game?

He did?

He did the problem.

Jamal Adam said, good game.

It was a guy that was on my radar in that draft, that linebacker Devin White.

I was that was the cold strange draft, right.

Oh, Devin White's been in the league for a long time.

Really okay, Well my thinking of Devin maybe, yeah, okay, same thing.

Definitely mobile lineback mobile a big difference in career.

Though.

Oh yeah, I can't have any this is just yeah, getting wound up over well.

I mean but Maddy p would have gone your route.

Matty P would have been like, we're gonna rush three on third and twenty and you know, like, I mean, there's this like there's no right or wrong answer.

It's just what how do you listen?

I agree nine game situations.

I agree with with the way Evan's talking about.

I just feel like in that situation, you needed to do more than force a punt.

That's all.

Yeah, And I think you're seeing from Terrell Williams that they're going to err on the side of let's just go get it, and.

I hope that was a weak one.

Yeah, I mean, but how can they balance Like we said all summer that there's going to be feast or family with this defense, that they're going to make some big plays, and that they're going to get burned from some big plays.

I just don't think we thought they would be what ten plays in nineteen yards or more.

Like.

They have to cut that down.

I would say that in terms of the defense, they run, the ability to stop the run was a very pleasant surprise to me.

I don't think anything else was.

Really all that good.

I thought that they did a good job.

Terrell Williams and his group did a good job of finding ways to get after the passer, occasionally with some good you know.

I think Hawkins had a nice blitz that resulted in a sack.

I think that they dialed up some things, but without Gonzales they struggled back there.

It was it was just I was surprised by how much they miss, not because he's obvious to the opponent, right, He's obviously a great player, but they they trickled down effect really hurt them.

You know, they really picked on I know Davis gave up to play late, but he really was fine for the majority of the game.

Yeah, I thought he was okay, Yeah, I agree.

But they really picked on everybody else.

Yeah, they they had a lot of success in the passing game doing whatever they wanted to do, like whether it was you know, the numbers of stuff in between the hashes, Kobe Myers, Yea Bowers.

You know, we always we've been trained over the years, well, the other team's number one option will never kill them until he did mayor two.

I mean, and that's just continuation of the summer.

With the they had four different guys catch passes of twenty yards or more, four different guys.

There were times where you know, I think Evan right off the top talked about the marriage of the covert, the rush and the coverage.

You never really saw that in this game, Like I know that was a big thing for you in the postgame show now.

I mean, you know, talking about the RPOs too.

There's a lot of space in the middle.

You know, a lot of those Jacobe Myers where this linebackers get sucked up a little bit.

And you can look at it and say, well, they give up twenty points and you should win a game.

And I absolutely agree anytime you go up twenty points or unless you should win the game.

So I wouldn't put this game on the defense.

I would simply say I don't think the defense played very well.

I think twenty points is not really indicative of the way the Raiders played offense.

I think they easily could have scored more.

The last drive of the game, as an example, they were able to hold the ball for over three minutes with three different clock stop, two timeouts for the Patriots, and the two minute warning, and they still held the ball for over three minutes protecting a ten point lead.

They easily could have scored there.

The previous drive that they kicked the field goal to make it ten, they had a third and short that they were easily going to pick up and Ashton Genty fell down running to the left side.

If the game's tied there when they needed maybe they go for that.

And there was no indication that they weren't going to get it.

They were getting it all day.

Yeah, in short yarded situations.

So yes, they only get twenty points.

I think Gino Smith kind of had his way with you again and again, hats off all you got Eldrid, Patty and Agu on you guys told me that, no, he does like to throw the ball down I knew he was an effective downfield passer, but he clearly likes to throw the ball downfield more than I gave him credit for, and again I was wrong.

I just think there was enough bones there from the defense where especially in the pass rush or where they can build off of that defensively and you hope that you get Gonzo back and that makes the secondary that much better.

There were a couple of instances where if the pass rush really bailed out the coverage, even there were open guys down the field, Bowers came wide open on a sale route on one play I think it was Hawkins's sack that if the pressure hadn't been there would have been another big play.

And so at least you had some examples of pass rush where you said, okay, you know, Milon Williams, Harold Landry.

I thought those guys showed well in their debuts, so you have something to build off.

That's the thin line that they're going to be treading this year with that type.

You know, it's going to be important.

Thank God for the pressure.

Yeah, you know, I was really encouraged by what I saw from Landry, but Milton Williams too.

You know, Landry last year kind of had a down year in Tennessee.

What didn't really look like he had much left and he looked more like the Very Bowl era at Titans.

Landry and Milton Williams was as advertised and for sure.

So what's you know?

I want to turn it over to the listeners and viewers in a second.

But from what you saw, is this fixable?

Like what well, I.

Wouldn't call it fixable.

I would just say, is this the start of something?

You know?

Like that's to me, Yes, there are things to.

Fail, everything's to start to something.

Is it something good as something bad?

No?

I mean I look I and I'd say, specifically with the defense, they got a ways to go.

They don't have the right personnel, they don't have much depth, and there's also probably a more than a couple of players on the defense right now that are kind of placeholders till next year.

So you know, once it all comes together in a game situation, I think you get a little bit better sense of how it's going to all come together.

And you know, I don't think it all came together great, but I agree with what Evan said, they have a personality on defense.

They're going to be aggressive, They're going to go after it.

They have some pieces up front, Milton Williams talented player, how Harold Landry has been a consistent, productive player.

But they're going to have to come together on both sides of the ball and really start to look like a team, play like a team.

And you know, starts with a run on the offensive side also just starts Drake.

Calm down, bro, you know, calm down.

Can we take some pressure off of him?

Can we?

You know, I know they didn't.

They got the lead in this game, but I think that's very important is to get a good start, get the run game going.

I feel like you've got some good energy.

So is it, Eric Evan?

Are you thinking that this offense has to be balanced in order to be successful.

Yeah?

I just don't really see a path for them to be a viable offense without balance.

I just don't think that they have the pass game infrastructure to be a high volume passing game.

And that's not just Drake may It's the offensive line, it's the receivers.

Like you don't look at them on paper and say this team should throw the ball forty times a game, Like, it's just not how they're built.

So if they're gonna be a good offense this year, then it has to all kind of stem off of having early down success, run game play, action, you know that sort of thing.

And I think that's what suits him the best too.

Like I think when you ask Drake May to keep dropping back and keep dropping back, it starts to snowball on him sometimes in terms of the inaccuracies.

When he's throwing the ball forty six times, it just you start to see higher volumes of misses and things like that.

You can limit that.

If you can limit his dropbacks, limit the exposure of the offensive line, limit you know that, all of it, then I think that you're in much better shape.

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We'll start with Cam in North Carolina, hate Cam.

Hey, guys, how you doing goody good?

Just a couple of things.

I wanted to kind of mention and go over and see what you guys thought about it.

I'll keep it, I'll keep it breathed.

But the first thing, I want to know how you guys felt about what's in the safety.

I was kind of in and out of the game, but every time I seemed like I saw him on the screen and it seemed like he was doing something good.

So maybe you guys can see if he was like on your uplist, on your down list, or if it was just the random plays that I saw.

Also, I wanted to mention Kayshaun Boody.

I've thought this for a couple of years now, and it seems like you know, I don't know if it's just you guys or everybody else, but when it comes to Booty, I hear sacrificial X and like kind of a placeholder, if you will.

But for the past two years, well the past year, and then this first game, it seems like he's by far the most productive.

And Paul, I understand like one game doesn't doesn't make a difference.

And I'm not saying he's justin Jefferson out there, but it seems like he's increasingly getting better.

He's starting to build a report with with May, and I feel like he's he's actually a solid number two, and I think that we should we should kind of incorporate him more into the game plan.

And the last thing I'll say is Evan, I understand you, you know way more football than me, but I think every single NFL player should be able to throw a ten yard pass when they want the greats.

I mean, we're not talking Gardner Minshew here, We're talking Drake May, We're talking the franchise QB.

Potentially, he needs to be able to throw seven eight yard yard balls.

If he can't, then maybe.

He's not the guy.

But that's that's basically can I feel like they should all be able to do that.

So that's all I have, guys, and I appreciate for everything you can do, and let's take it off one thanks.

Camp.

I mean, he can do it.

It's not like every single throw is a miss.

It's just like if you're asking him to do that, I think you're just kind of making him play left handed.

Like I don't even think it's necessarily canny or canty.

It's just like, I don't want this offense to be built that way for a guy that has his kind of physical talent.

Like, I don't know why you would it.

Just there's a lot of guys that didn't accel at Brett Favre wasn't great at that kind of stuff.

I mean, you can succeed now.

Brett Favre could throw those passes, of course he could.

Everybody can the.

College good ones.

Can the good ones hit him all?

Yeah, Brady hit them all.

Yeah.

Well he's a great one.

So someone some guys can't consistently do that.

They can do it, they just don't do it all the time.

And when they don't, you get in trouble.

And Booty I just got finished saying like Boody was the best player for the Patriots on Sunday, certainly offensively, what do you think of Woodson?

I thought he was fine.

He kept himself out of trouble, which.

Is I think he had a nice hit against the run.

Thought I thought he was fine.

I didn't notice any breakdowns for him.

The other safety.

I noticed a lot of breakdowns.

Yeah, I think when safety is a lot to me, like a lot like the offensive line.

If I don't notice it, and that's probably a good thing, right, can.

Bring one more thing though, like bring it out break and they could get the concern with it.

But like, do you find that he unraveled a little bit after the interception?

Do you think or think the team did was that?

Yeah?

I mean I felt like how do you overcome that?

Because that's what we talked about the second half, like they got to be able to handle these games like you throw an interception on the first drive of the third quarter and then you all turn into a puddle like that to me is one of the more concerning things that that's going to be a trait that they have to figure out.

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How were you?

I think I care for you, give the firepower you have and you're running back room?

How disappointing was it?

You know?

That that group was kind of held in check from Kings.

Yeah.

I mean, I think to have a successful offensive play it takes really everybody.

It takes the play caller right getting the play in efficiently.

It takes us being able to identify the players that we need to block, the ones that we're we're not going to be able to block, and the ones that when we block them and we're in combination that we have to move them.

And then the backs have to have to run whether or not.

And we say that so again, it's not just the the.

Players that we have that we're handing the ball to.

It's it's everybody.

And again we have a lot of confidence in the in the running backs, but also we have to be able to have a great execution in any scheme, whether that's the zone scheme, gap scheme, and so again we the bottom line is we have to run the ball better and we have to run it more efficiently because then I think that all opens up, you know, some more of the stuff that we're doing and can.

Do and want to be able to do.

So it's not just a drop back.

Passing games are from the a lot helping the moderate orcher got there's is that just because the running was efficient, it was just wasn't you know, it wasn't one of our better plays.

And again, we just have to take advantage of the plays that.

We do call and and hit it when we have guys open, and just being able to start the second half and you know, being able to go down there and continue that drive and unfortunately, you know, not not turn it over and be able to create some momentum in that situation.

You talked about this real briefly after the game, but the benefit of hindsight any more thoughts about deciding to talk with roughly fires, I mean, I don't think so.

I think that the way that the game was going, I mean again hindsight, yeah, I mean, if we were going to get the fourth and ten and go down there and score a touchdown and stop them, and you know, but they don't let.

Us do that.

You know, we have to make a decision.

You have to be decisive, and then once you do that, you have to execute on the field.

And so we weren't good enough.

It didn't turn out to be the right decision, and it didn't turn out to be the right execution.

And unfortunately, when you get into the situations.

Down two scores like that everything has to be perfect, everything has to be perfect, and so that's why you have to avoid those situations at all costs.

Mike on the radio this morning, talking about the run game, you mentioned something along the lines of, you know, there might be issues that a team presents us.

They might be at a certain funt to them.

We have to get away from them.

What we think we have to get away from a certain route.

Did they give you something that you weren't.

Expecting, Well, they're just there were different pieces and different guys moving at different parts of the area, and whether we wanted to run and play at a certain player, you're never going to know.

And I think we just have to rely on our base base rules based fundamentals.

You know, block, block the bigs and block.

The backers, and again you're going to have to do something to get the safety.

And sometimes the corners are the ones that are left in some of these run games.

So because you either can rpo it, you can read somebody, or they're going to have a player.

Again, Wide is from the formation that that in theory is free.

So we have to.

Pick something each play and decide how we want to run it, but not be uh, you know, tentative and making sure that we're never going to be perfect, right, you just want to be precise.

And I think that that's going to be the message.

To us going forward, is how we improve and we can't rely and we can't think that every play is going to be perfect.

It's never going to be that way.

And when it isn't perfect, that we somehow have some sort of reaction.

And we need to make sure that we.

Have a great response and continue to stay positive and have positive plays overcome whatever penalties and things that we have to fix.

And we have to protect the ball.

You know, we have to keep make sure that we protect the football and it takes everybody.

Michael, do you use those turns of the fret decisive?

Perfect?

Is that?

How do you get them to that?

Well, that's the challenge.

I think everything that we do, we always want to be competitive and do it the right way.

But then you know, there just can't be any sort of block that that keeps us from from just going and playing a game and knowing that it's not going to look great at times, but it's going to be making a play and somebody has to do that and you know, just somebody on defense has got to beat their guy or tip a pass and accept the ball, knock it out, and just again there's a scheme to it.

There is, and it's just I don't say that by going rogue.

There's a scheme to it.

But then throughout the course of the game there's you know, somebody makes a play.

You guys were mostly successful when you blitz, but it seemed like the four man pass rushers weren't quite as effective.

What did you see from the blitzer versus the four man rushes?

They kind of cause that despair.

Yeah, I did like our blitz demeanor most of the day.

That wasn't great, certainly on the touchdown, But I think when you blitz, it's about timing, you know, about about being where you're supposed to be, if he's supposed to come under the back to free up somebody else that's coming.

You know, those things that we did and it was effective.

I think we had some some good four man rushes.

There were times where guys one whether we're going to rush straight or whether we're gaming, just having an understanding of where the slide is or who you're working with on a particular side whether he's going to be hind the b gap and you know you need to wrap around or where they're winning on the edge and we need great push in the middle.

So those are kind of things that come up with a four man rush and we'll continue to work them.

Uh, you know, I can't can't live in a in a blitz world, Beach.

What a lot of him to start the season up strong, And how much growth did you see you from the.

Off season of top down unless we just said it was sort of the nine day between him a professionals in the sprint.

Yeah, I mean, just that's a lot of positives there.

I think his comfort level and us and everybody and what we're doing, and let's say his professionalism, the way he came in and prepared and.

I knew a lot of spots.

You know, I played a bunch of different positions in camp, which gave him a really good role which then then grew.

I think the quarterback trusts him.

I think he's got good, good play strength and at the top of the route, and so just looking forward to continue to improve and you know, so I'm happy for him that he's been able to have success from from the spring till now, Starry, I.

Think when it comes to the running backs and who you put on the field of the seventy one steps, that if Romandre had the bulk of him, was this sort of predetermined or how much of that is based on the movie game?

Well, I mean, I think some of it is just based on the play and the flow of the game and knowing that they're all going to have a role, and Treyveon is going to have a role, and you know, Ramandre is going to do some things.

So I don't think it's ever going to be perfect, and we have to evaluate everything to make sure that we're getting it right based on volume, who's playing, who's getting the ball, who's trying to get the ball.

It's hard to always dictate when we throw it who gets it.

But you know, whatever the scheme is, that we're executing it and being able to stay balanced.

Seem jets yesterday just not having thought well, I think that there was an energy I thought that, you know, I mean, he made a nice few.

You know, splash plays, a few productive plays.

It blitzed well, and you found the quarterback and I was in great position on the tip ball, and then some mistackles showed up, and those things we have to correct, so against trying to put it in the buckets and continuing to teach the good, the bad and the stuff that gets you beat and we have to, you know, make sure that we're fixing the bad stuff and then eliminating the stuff that gets as beaten.

You know, understanding, you know all the little details of all three phases and putting it, putting.

It together, tie it together.

You know, defense had three three and outs and we managed three points, like that's complimentary.

Football is not going to exist and we're not gonna win games if our defense can do that.

And we only managed three points.

So there'll be times that, you know, we're going to need the offense to help us and and and possess the football longer to help the defense.

And when we get three and outs like that, the offense is going to have to do something.

And when we do kickfield goals, we'll have to make them.

So again just showing everybody how those things tie in.

And then we talked about the second half, and I think we got into the drive and then quickly got out of the drive and then we gave up a touchdown, So.

You know it was.

Tough and now great moments in.

History begging tripped and sprained your.

Ankles and what happens when you run.

I sprain mikle pretty bad.

That's why you gave it up, right, Yeah, Paul's not running.

I've never fallen down while walking.

I'm just saying the kindly park ranger trovy homes that cross country stump in the woods.

I did have to get a ride home today though, thankfully that was that was that was Megan this morning.

Yeah, thankfully.

I'm like, so I got a ride home.

I can't go on the park range that comes riding over Jake Steel.

You know, would you like to look at the red well.

I was a little nervous because I got the ride home from this park ranger, but I didn't want him to know where I live because that's trying to creepy.

Good.

We have like the hat on and the shorts and everything.

Oh yeah, shorts, yes man, no mustache?

Right, he had his socks arboretum car.

It was labeled and everything.

And I run through there often, so I'm gonna see him again, and now he knows where I live, so I don't really I don't really like that I wanted him to drop me off like a little ways away, but I really couldn't walk, so it left me.

You're fine, actually no kick on?

No wait yet.

Then it would be awkward because I'd be limping down the sidewalk and.

Here, let me show you how to make a campfire.

You have to rub.

Why do you always have to take way too?

They have to do it.

That's another great moment from.

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Bob in Southern California writes, and he says, I'm not surprised at the outcome.

How many new faces are we seeing in the first game.

You can practice all you want, but game action matters.

Vrabel was visibly pissed, and I think some of it has to do with the offensive play calling.

You can't expect forty to fifty passes a game.

They didn't put our playmakers in a position to succeed.

So who would those be?

By the way the playmakers.

Henderson, eleven touches not enough for Douglas.

It was the type of touches we already.

With seven targets not enough for him.

We already talked about Wes with Henderson.

Yeah, I would have given him a wheel road absolutely, based on what I saw in the summer.

That's something that I think should be part of the equation.

But I just think that you guys are inventing playmakers that they don't have.

Adam and Louisiana Paul speaking out of both sides of his mouth, he says, they are sending the house because they need to take the ball away.

Then that's why Davis jumps the route.

He's jumping the route to take the ball away.

Then he says, well let him catch it and tackle him short.

If you're gonna a fair point.

If you're just gonna let them catch it and tackle them short, why send the house.

Just play a normal defense.

I'm with Evan on this.

You can't give up the first down, get them to fourth down, and see if your offense can try to move the ball to scall.

The Davis thing with the turnover.

That's a fair point because he is jumping the route, probably with his mind saying it's not enough of me to just tackle him.

That's a very fair I don't know, but I can it's a very fair retort, I know, but I could also say if it's not working, if you see it, we're not getting there up front.

But you can't be the guy.

I know, but you can't be the guy.

I just remember the last resort.

I'm in twenty nineteen when they ran a lot of cover zero, Boogeyman defense, all that stuff.

I just remember talking to Devin and Jason mccordy about cover zero and how you play defense because you're on an island with no help.

So you are one on one in a deep part of the field with absolutely no help.

So how do you do that?

And they both laughed and said the pass rusher better get effing home.

That's what they said.

Sure, So if you're going to run that defense and you're going to send the house, it's not like the onus is not on Carlton Davis to make the play.

The play is supposed to be up front.

Yeaw, to Gino's credit, they actually did get some pressure on that play.

Bought himself a little.

Yeah, he made a hell of a throw and you gotta tip your cap.

I like that because that that is true.

Like I'm looking for a turnover.

So Davis probably is too.

Yeah, and that's why he's he's jumping a little bit.

That's a good counter and you usually.

Think the ball's coming out because there should be pressure on the quarterback right, so he shouldn't have you know, time back there to unload a forty yard deep ball.

So it just on that one.

I think you can chop that up to the play.

Call Iowa Tim.

I watched the recorded game.

A few observations.

I wonder if some of Campbell's penalties were from being tired first game and recorders O line never came out.

Also, too many zero to five yard passes.

Need to move the routes into the ten to twenty yard range.

One concern I have is Josh coached his best with Brady.

He needed to move away from Brady.

Brake should be rolling right or left, move the pocket, let Drake improvise at times.

Best way to give Drake more time while he gets better.

Just some thoughts.

I think he looks great every single time they move the pocket.

Now they hit one to Hooper, a little crossing route and the red zone for about ten yards doing it.

I just think he looks really natural doing it, and he can throw on the run like that.

And he can vomit like he doesn't have limitations from an arm talent standpoint.

But in order to really get the bootlegs going, you have to be able to run the ball, Like you have to keep them honest by getting outside zone going and getting them to respect the run game to run those boots.

But I couldn't agree more.

But I think getting him out into space and letting him use his legs to either boot and throw or even if there's nothing there, he can just run himself.

It's it's something they need to do more of.

Let's go, Mike, Mike, you've got something on you.

I want to say, Okay, go ahead, you want to save it?

Or well, somebody's been thinking about do you think that NFL teams really have no clue what they have until week one?

I mean, do you really do anybody really know unless you I mean established team, you know, but especially for a new team with so many new pieces, like did they just get truth bombed?

And you know, like you just now we have an immense amount of truth of how this is really going to come together?

And can now the adjustments really start?

You know, it's hard to like that's the home go into game one where you're like, we don't really know.

We don't know how the left side's going to hold up, we don't know what Traveon is going to be able to do.

You like, so you're now you have things to go off of and you have some truth to base your adjustments off of.

Whereas joint practices, preseason games, training camp practice.

I mean, the best coach out there said you need five game, five six games before you really know and that and that's when he was Bill Belichick.

And that's when he was here for twenty years and had the same system right, and had a lot of the same pieces, and the most importantly, had the same We are dismissing now what he's not.

He's not welcome here, okay, and his thoughts aren't.

Welcome here either.

No, but I agree.

I think I think most coaches would agree with him.

That's especially now, the way that no one really anything in the summer.

That's that's like the glass half full way to look at what happened on Sunday.

I think today, at least for me, is a day of like venting about what happened on the game on Sunday.

But once we start to turn the page, like you hope with a coaching staff with Rabel and Josh McDaniels, who are two veteran coaches that have been around the block and seen a lot of things.

Yeah, that one's don't work.

Take us out.

This is play trash.

That there's going to be as you guys are one thousand percent right.

But I can still I mean, two things can be true.

I can still be disappointed that the other team that had all the new pieces was able to better prepare for the opener than the Patriots did.

Right, But that guys are absolutely right.

Maybe they maybe now they look at it.

You know what, Will Campbell he was okay, but I think around that as much as I thought.

But drilled down even more on it, where it's Gino Smith, a veteran quarterback who's been with numerous teams and been in numerous systems, and you know Pete Carroll who's coached a few different teams, and you know, I get what you're saying, but I'm still saying even within that, there's some nuance to you know, they had some veteran players, whereas the Patriots were playing a few rookies, and you know that I don't know and I also think about last year where maybe the reverse happened, where you win the first game and you're like, oh.

We got this.

This is gonna be good.

Ramoni is gonna be breaking tackles all season long, you know, and maybe then in that sense of the word, you're giving yourself a false sense of belief.

I don't know.

I just think of all these teams in the NFL got a big bunch of truth that maybe they weren't expecting.

I think that that's how because I think it's a great point.

I think that's how Vrabel has set this up.

Like if he really wanted to come out of the gate firing, they wouldn't have handled training camp in the preseason the way that they did.

They would have played starters in the preseason games and they would have really gotten everything.

And I just would have been coming in and out.

And I think, like what they they want to have a slow build, They want to they want to be better at the end of the year than they are at the beginning of the year.

You just hope you don't put yourself in too big of a hole that it's too late.

Like once it starts clicking and you're one in five and you're trying to dig out.

But these two coaches make Daniels and Rabel like that's their specialty, Like that's their superpower, is their ability to understand you know, Okay, this is what I have, this is what I have to work with, you know, this is what strains are, this is what our weaknesses are.

And then being able to just build something around it, like we're able.

Didn't have a ton of talent in Tennessee, like those teams weren't weren't loaded, but he figured out what they were really good at and he was able to build around that.

Derrick Henry, Yeah, took him a couple of years.

There.

Mike and Vermont, what's up, Mike?

Mike and Vermont?

Not there?

I was once a Mike informal Okay, how about and going on with the phone?

How about Chris and Virginia?

Chris, I thank thee hell can.

Yes, Chris, you got Hi.

Hi, guys, So I want to give a little perspective and then ask you a question.

I don't think we got blown away by the opposition in the game.

We lost it because of our own performances and mistakes, whether that's the players or the coaches and As people have said, this is the first time Vrabel has seen the current set of players in a fully competitive game, first time he's had a chance to assess mistakes in that context, and there have been a lot of changes in personnel both on and off the pitch.

But it's really day one for everyone.

So my question in relation to the players particularly, is do you think it's better for the rookies and the younger team members to keep taking the field, making those mistakes and hopefully learning from them, or is it better to try and shore up the team with some experience in the rest of the trade window maybe, and then eliminate the mistakes that way and develop your future behind the scenes.

Kick up the good work, and I'll take it offline.

Going all right, I think you are what you are right now.

I think you know, if you think like, even if you think, oh, it'd be nice to have some oh, I'm sorry, even if you think it'd be nice to have some veterans on the team, it's too late.

The guys that you're going to bring in aren't going to be much better than what you got them.

Or yeah, I also didn't really feel like the keys were to blame.

Yeah, Now, it happened in the game.

Now it goes to kind of what Paul said, it's it's first time Pete Carroll had a chance to see his team too, you know.

So, yeah, the other team.

Gets paid to like, you're not the only one, Chip Kelly.

A new offense and you know, a new quarterback, first game as a Raider.

It was all new there too, right, and it was a twenty ten ish game.

I mean, you know it was.

It was clear.

I agree with what Chris said.

We didn't get blown out and they had bunch of three.

Now let's not let's not move the goalposts on that.

We all thought the Patriots are going to win.

They were favorite to win.

They were playing a very similar team to them, so we let's not hang our hat on.

They didn't get blown out, No, but they didn't didn't kind of get blown out in the second half.

They lost the second half basically thirteen to nothing.

But even though that's not a blowout.

Well kind of is.

It's just the offense became inept in the second half.

Right, they got they got dominated in the last thirty minutes of the game.

My team that is not any better than them, So that part I agree with this wasn't like they got overwhelmed because Baltimore came rolling in here with all their playmakers and they couldn't keep up, right.

The other team just played better than they did.

Yeah, and I think that they coached better than they did to Yah And I think Rabel actually said that in the I think it was the post game that he said, we.

Said, we said, don't underestimate Pete Carroll.

I was really surprised by I thought they adjusted pretty well on defense, and they got those three and those three and outs in the middle of the game there and kind of stabilize a little bit defensively.

But I was really surprised that they didn't kind of get a beat on what they were doing the Raiders defense was doing to them to sort of punch back a few times.

It felt like the only plays that they hit were scripted plays early on in the game that they kind of had ready from the week, and I thought that Josh would adjust fast.

I think I made the comment during the game to you guys, it kind of looked like two bad teams playing each other that have improved.

Both teams have improved from what we saw last year, and there were periods of time during the game where they both looked good.

Now, the problem for the Patriots was, I think the Raiders time looking good was longer than the Patriots.

You know.

The Patriots was like that last drive of the first quarter into the second quarter where they kind of, as we said earlier in the show, took control of the game.

And then that interception allowed I thought, and I really think that sort of the lack of taking advantage of the opportunities they had in the second quarter really was the difference.

But that interception changed it back in the Raiders' favor and the Patriots never got it back again.

You know, But there were times where the Patriots were the better team and you want to ask, what's different, you know, why am I thinking this is different than last year?

Well, I don't think there were very many times in those games last year that they lost that they looked like the better team for any consistent stretch of time.

And that's what makes it so frustrating that they laid an egg in the second half because they were in the game, they were winning, you know, and just to see that dramatic drop off, it's just a little bit more jarring when you were starting to get hopeful.

Yep.

Valentin from Switzerland.

I have questioned for Evan.

You said earlier in the show that the scheme was vanilla.

Is it possible that the scheme was vanilla because that was only what May could run and McDaniels is concerned that he can read that he can't read more complicated stuff.

I didn't really, guys, I don't know.

I didn't really think that reading the field was his biggest issue.

And I know that that's I've seen that a little bit that people feel that way.

I did not.

I didn't think that he was missing open, guys, as much as with his eyes as he was with his arm.

Like you know, it's not you didn't miss Pob Douglas on the first third down of the play of the game and just not see him open.

He just airmailed it ten yards over his head.

Like I thought that that was more of a of an issue than like reading things.

Now, motion is set in place by the quarterback, and that's a big reason why Miami is so good with Tua normally so good with two are but falls off a cliff with every other quarterback, is because a lot of the the point guarding that Tua does is very specific to Tua, and it's sort of what makes that whole thing go for them.

It's like their engine.

But that's that's motion at like a different level.

Like you know, that's that's as sophisticated of emotion package as you have in the league.

You said, funny, you said point guard.

In pregame last night, Kyle Williams was saying that Ben Johnson was telling him the philosophy was be the point guard and then when it's time to be Superman, be Superman, And that was interesting coming from him, as he seems like he needs to be Superman to really be him and still felt to me early on like he was being Superman.

Yeah.

I thought both those guys, you know, I watched most of the game last night with two tight pants guys, you know, so I had to go watch convoys saw them.

Yeah, Caleb, I thought had a lot of the same issues as Drake, Like, there was certainly some good plays mixed in there, and there's some sprays where the ball is just nowhere close to the rest.

What do you think about the play calling for uh, Ben Johnson?

Ben Johnson, I thought it was pretty good.

I like the flow of that game I like what I was seeing, Like, yeah, it's you know, like I talk about getting a defense on their heels, I thought he had them on their heels.

Yeah, it's tough to say because I think he stripped it down so much because he doesn't have the talent that he had in Detroit.

And I know in the broadcast they said that he's really trying to get them to like do elementary things before they start doing all the crazy stuff that they were doing with the Lions, and so it was definitely a watered down version of Ben Johnson's offense compared to what he was running in Detroit.

But I didn't think the play calling was a huge issue.

I thought Caleb missed a lot of throws, especially.

But I thought that plits were there.

But I also think you're going against a much more difficult defense Minnesota's defense, and Flores has a reputation of being difficult to play against, scheme against, so I think there's a lot of different things that play.

I didn't see the second half, and I know it got bad.

For k I only saw the first half.

The blitzed the crap out.

Of I know it got bad in the second half.

Minnesota blitzing.

Wow, Well they.

Didn't blitz in the first half, and I think they were trying to rope a dobe them by not blitzing.

He know, it's comfortable.

When I saw I didn't think that he was doing the Superman thing.

I think he was just taking the little checkdowns across you know, you know, just a little sitting in a zone, you know, eight yards downfield in between the hashes hit.

You're giving me that, I'm just going to take these easy throws.

That's how we got the ten.

I think it was ten for ten.

You know, it culminated with that ridiculous throwing the sideline to Roma Dunday.

That was just unbelievable with Joe Milton.

If that wasn't a play design, that was just him making a play.

Yea.

Dolphins signing Cole Strange.

Oh it's on is on.

They have a lot of injuries in Dolphins.

Let's go to Sean and Vancouver can tell I.

Don't know what we're running.

I got Yeah, I got two comments in one question.

So I was at the game and the weather for me was was like November and Vancouver, so I'm used to it.

It's not a big deal.

But I was disappointed that there were so many empty seats.

It's like all these season ticket holders are are pink cats.

I don't know.

Uh So that was a little disappointing.

The other thing is the turning point, like Paul said, was when Trick makes through that interception, and to me, like it's really about overcoming that.

That's what we need to get to.

The next step is like can you get over this adversity and and do something positive after that?

So that's what I want to see in Miami Sunday.

You're right, definitely, definitely.

Now, uh Fred, this is for you.

This is a question you said, and I agree with it.

They have to pass against the Dolphins.

I got to start off passing.

But which way do you think will be more effective?

To be empty and spread or you know, come out like you look like you're going to run.

So you have in the backfield Westover and maybe Trevian Henderson and then you have Diggs and Pop and Henry you knows as your receivers, and then you you do a play action and try and get them off off guard there.

So I'll leave that for you and you can discuss.

Thanks.

Thanks, Sean.

I think he's referring to after the post game, I said, you know, I'm not sure right now they're good enough to be balanced.

I think they have to go into a game with say this is what we're going to do.

We're going to aligneman, get ready to fire off on every snap because we're going to be running the ball, or get ready to pass probe because we're going to be passed.

I don't know, like right right now, if they're ready to say we're going to be able to be balanced this game.

I think they have to get a defense on their heels doing one thing and then you can do something else.

I don't know.

I like it, just it's just my feeling.

I would target Miami's run defense how they looked well, then then go into the game.

I would do the opposite.

I would target the secondary.

It's completely decimated the run defense.

The first half, the Colts averaged like three and a half yards to carry, like they got a lot of yards, but because they would.

They had a thirty point lead the whole game, and they just kept running the ball.

In the whole second half.

They didn't run it all that effectively, but Daniel Jones threw for like two hundred and eighty yards.

They scored every time they had the ball.

Every time.

Daniel Jones like the same guy that we saw with the Lions and the joint practices.

Mike, I still go back to that.

I know that's not fair to Daniel Jones.

I know he's but like the.

Naked boot like him just running and then running.

And I think that they got some yardage in that game.

For Jones ran for a couple of touchdowns, not really you know, necessarily stopping the run.

And I think the dueling kid had like a big run on an end a round.

But Jonathan Taylor average less than four yards of carry in the second back average less than four yards to carry.

They and they those two combined for thirty carries.

So the top two guys in conventional running had thirty carries for less than four yards of carry.

And it was I thought, maybe, well, maybe this number got knocked down because at the end of the game they were just running and getting two yard runs.

But I looked at the first half, and the first half wasn't good either, but they were.

Pretty successful running the ball, like in terms of you know success, right, things like you know, just picking up the amount of yards that first.

They had a lot of yards.

They had a lot of Yeah, I think they ran for like one hundred and sixty yards.

Agree with you that it wasn't It took a high volume to get to the one fifty.

But you know, I don't think that the Dolphins ever really like stop them.

In the run game.

They didn't stop them anything, obviously, but seven for seven in scoring drives and there's some long drives.

Yeah, I think that when you face you know, Weaver and Anthony Weaver, their defensive coordinator last year, just blitz the crap out of Drake May in that game down there in Miami.

I just look at the I'm just looking at personnel and I'm like, so up front they got guys like Sealer and you know, they got some linebackers.

Is it is Dotson the guy that they have Terrell Dotson.

I haven't gotten that deep into Miami yet.

They have some decent personnel on the front set.

They have nothing in the same It's it's like, yeah, that's Jack Jones.

They just signed like three weeks ago, and he's like their best corner by far.

That they lost two different starters in the preseason.

They lost another starter, Storm Duck I just like saying that name in the game.

You know, Mika Fitzpatrick is back there, but you know you got he hasn't been the same.

I just look at the secondary and I'm like, where's the personnel that you want to take advantage of?

It's probably back there, I don't.

I guess you sort of a lot yourself to say, like, what's the only thing that the Dolphins have going for him?

Is like Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb and Job Robinson, And maybe those guys have an impact on the game if you want to just make it a drop back game.

But I mean, I just think they butts a lot, and they butts creatively as well, And a lot of their blitzing last year gave me a lot of problems in that game.

And I think as a result of like being in the gun is probably the best thing that you can do, because you start turning around and play actioning and his backs to the line of scrimmage and there's guys coming and guys dropping and all this different stuff.

It can be hard to decipher, hard to read those types of things.

But I'm with you, Paul.

I mean, I think their secondary is definitely there.

Dotson was the guy was thinking of.

And Jordan Brooks is a pretty good linebacker too.

I just look at those guys in the back end and I say, let's see if they can cover.

Yeah, let's see if would would you go out and we're throwing?

That was there.

I'm stealing Fred's theory from him.

That was your post game take.

That scares me.

I mean the goal.

I'm just saying this should be balanced.

I think that's what.

Oh.

I don't want to not run it at all.

I just think the goal of this game was to be balanced too.

I hear it Fred is saying.

I.

I just it's a really hard way to live, to be one dimensional.

I know it's just really predictable.

But can we establish something that we're doing well.

Yeah, I don't want to be one dimensional.

No, I don't.

I don't want to be one dimensional.

There's a difference.

I want to come out throwing and have some success right now.

You know, maybe it's the first drive, right, you know, maybe I go to the defensive.

Maybe tell me about ten plays, seventy yards or a touchdown, and I threw it seven out of the ten plays, and then I come out the next drive, and I'm like, Okay, now, let's let's get the.

Running backs going.

You know, I don't want to throw the ball forty six times or run an eighteen.

I don't want to do that every week.

I don't think that.

I agree with Mike and Evan.

That's not a form just for success.

Let's establish something DS in Baltimore.

What's up, D.

It's disgusted.

Maybe that was something Hello, Hey, how you guys doing all right?

Okay?

And I agree with what you said earlier about the office being real Vanilla.

I don't know if it's a.

Thing with McDaniels, maybe stuck in his ways and want to run an offense like he ran it ten years ago, which ain't gonna work into the day's NFL.

I don't know why you just don't add a little misdirection or something.

So it's too blaying.

It's not.

It's not fooling.

Nobody's just like line up against my guys and your guys that we're gonna run y all over.

It ain't gonna work.

I'm with you, yeah, I that's just the way I feel about it.

Just it's not so much to play calling necessarily, it's to play design and the whole the design of what they're running schematically, it just you're talking about Paul you know, like Daniel Jones, like having a big game well, because Shane Stikeen is one of the best offensive play callers and offensive minds in the league, and he just makes it easy for you.

He just has different tricks that you know, they're motioning their RPOs, they're rolling them out and play action and like you're not asking the quarterback to do all this heavy lifting.

And I don't necessarily know if he has too much on his plate, but I think the head coach is starting to think maybe he has too much on his headplay on his plate.

And I think that that relates to when your drop back and you're the guy that's the trigger man in terms of the protections and all this different stuff, and you got to get the protection right, and then you got to snap the ball, then you got to read the defense, then you got to get it to the right guy, and then you got to throw it well and like all these different things.

And I just watched Daniel Jones play and he just runs, you know, like an RPO and Michael Pittman slips out into the flat and he throws the ball to him three yards away and it's a twelve yard game, you know, And like I don't see that from the Patriots.

I don't see easy lay up scheme to open throw.

Certainly not enough of the movement.

Like I would say that that throw to Hunter Henry down the side line was an example of that, but we didn't see enough of them.

To Haven's point, I just.

Want once for Evan to be excited about the Patriots scheme because I feel like this is like definitely last year.

I don't know about the Billy Oh year, but the map were you with us?

The mapatris A year two?

Like I feel like, go look at like the Tuesday show after week one or week two, and it is like an Evans lament, Like.

Well, it's just like it's two different trees, right, like I just talked about like Stiking is from like the Philly Andy Reid tree and then you have the West Coast guys, and like those are the two different trees, and they're still running this offense that's just in neither world, Like it's just his own thing, that's archaic, Like it's just it's been it's been done.

It's old it's outdated and they.

Run instead of they keep doing it and it's just like it's tough.

What it I mean, just how the film?

Just asked him how the film was yesterday while he's breaking it down, and it's not good Bob.

Yeah, let's go get something to eat.

Is going to take a while.

Uh when you do the break you're at home?

Right?

Yes?

What are you wearing?

Are you when you're underwear?

Are you nude?

Like?

How do you do it?

What?

I don't know?

Like, so you know freeze in his sensory depication, is there a certain thing that sounds.

Like you have to have things a certain way?

Your clothes you're lighting?

How does it work?

Now?

There's definitely a coffee.

There's definitely a coffee for sure.

Coffee coffee.

Are we music?

What are we listening to?

Silence?

Oh?

I can't do music, it's too distracting.

Dog No, he's really next next to me.

Okay, he said the dog came in yesterday and was like wolf and like you said it.

Out yeah yeah, okay.

The windows that you're doing, yes, there are windows.

There are deuces, right.

I I hate myself on Tuesdays.

I hate myself on Mondays, because all I want to see is the Patriots score some freaking points.

And it's just it's absolutely nauseating that this is.

For three years?

What is it twenty two Zappi and Cleveland, Right, it's still still taking away the last thirty point game.

And I don't need fifty, Like if we hang thirty on somebody anyway.

Yeah, like literally just have forty eight in the preseason.

Yeah, and it was the best I felt about this team in three years.

Just score some points.

Do something offense.

Sean's and Virginia, Hey Sean, Sean, what's going on doing there?

He is.

Good?

Good.

I don't want to stop about saying like I don't I don't care like who the OC is.

Uh.

You know, if you have a quarterback that doesn't have great fours in the pocket, get deliver the ball with Acrocy.

It's not gonna matter who the person is calling the signals because this he's not telling it enough for a guy to miss and throw with an opportunities like that, they can't overcome it.

So people can talk about what the defense is not doing and not doing it, not doing that, whatever, But you gotta be able to score a point.

That's the reason why this team continues to lose weekend and week out because they can't score points.

Raise defensive at tal get with the same you are the tom and also twenty points game.

Twenty points is not to give up in the game.

How would you put up thirty points?

Put up thirty five, put up forty?

The uscw's in the column.

That's all I gotta say.

All right, thanks Sean, he's right with Evan, He's not wrong.

Points.

That's really they don't move the ball and score enough.

If they we did.

We're talking about this since the breaker when we were talking about this.

Uh, if they lost this game thirty five to thirty, then I would have been in much better mood like it.

Just I wouldn't have Yeah, Jets lost, right, and that was the game that I brought up.

I don't think the Jets are a great team, but at least you looked if you're a Jet fan, and you looked at you got the new quarterback in Justin Fields, and you're trying to figure out where you might be and well, Gee's first game he came out, he put thirty two on the board.

It's a game they probably should have won.

So you're really disappointed that they didn't find a way to win the game, but at least you have something to have some hope for.

And I'm not saying this there's no hope with New England, because I do think it everything you guys are talked about in the first hour of the show, I agree with.

They'll get better.

It's one game.

They you know, I think they had an opportunity to be more successful in terms of points in the first half, and they squandered some of those chances.

Yeah, they did.

But they'll get They'll get better.

But I would much rather be talking about a thirty four to thirty two loss than a twenty to thirteen loss.

I mean, we've seen this twenty to thirteen loss for three we sure have, and it's just the same thing.

And I know it was Bill O'Brien and it was Matt Patricia doing the offshoot of Josh mcdaniels's offense.

And you know, even AVP last year, it's just the av We talked about it with AVP, like he he's running a system that.

Is old school.

Also just an old school West Coast instead of old school EP.

It's just but it's still was a system that wasn't brought to life like that hasn't been updated.

Devin and Belleville rights.

And there always seems to be this perception of Booty that he's a throwaway piece, so that he's someone would trying to replace.

Wasn't he at one point in college a highly regarded prospect my opinion, he is one of the only receivers we have to consistently to consistently exceed my expectations of him.

He also seems to have a knack for making a play or coming down with a ball when given the opportunity.

Add with that with the rapport he seems to have with Drake, why does he always seem to be overlooked?

Who's overlooking him?

It's a good point.

Now, I think the team is the ones that overlook him.

I think every year, you know, different coaching staffs, because the same thing happened to him last year.

He had to sort of reprove himself.

He was during training camp last year, a lot of people thought he was going to get cut, and then he had that kind of controversial podium visit at training camp.

Report he thought he was a lock.

Do you remember that?

Ye ye?

And then he has a decent year, you know, and this year, new regime comes in, and the first thing that we see about Kayshan Bouti is ESPN.

I think Adam Schefter and Jeremy Fouler said that he's a veteran that could be available via trade before the draft, right, and he had to sort of prove himself all over again.

You're hearing a lot of talk about he's impressed us with his professionalism.

It's like.

They're the coaches are the ones that are overlooking him, and I don't have the anter as to why.

I don't.

I don't know why.

David and Maryland.

By my count, Gino Smith has beating the Patriots on three different teams, Jets, Seahawks, and Raiders, Paul, can you think of another quarterback has done the same thing with multiple teams?

Are there any others who have done so?

Thrice?

With Fitzpatrick, I.

Do not recall Geno Smith beating him with the Jets, but I'll.

Take you an overtime game, right, yeah.

Ryan Fitzpatrick beat him in overtime, I think, so.

I know Ryan Fitzpatrick beat him with the Jets and the Bills.

It wasn't like a mistake Miami.

Oh yeah, good.

That was the game that knocked him out of the bye the first round by in nineteen.

It always comes back to fitzmagic journeyman.

I'm pretty sure, well he's a big time journey Oh yeah, the journey man.

I'm pretty sure he beat the beat the Patriots with the Jets.

I know he beat him with Buffalo thirty four to thirty one in Buffalo.

Yeah, otherwise known as the Zach Sudfeldt.

Kind of the question that I think twenty fifteen they beat them.

Maybe it I feel like Chris Jones, not the good Chris Jones, the old Chris Jones and Patriot.

I am like nine Shorg Gino beat us with the Jets in overtime around the beginning of Genus.

So maybe that's the game I'm I'm giving to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

I thought it was Ryan Fitzpatrick to Eric Decker in overtime, but maybe it was Gino.

It might have been both.

Uh Sam and Saint Catharines.

Evan going on a long winded explanation that Barmore and Williams didn't drop and cover it, but rather dropped into an area and disrupt the passing late is peak pure to beat.

The Patriots in overtime in thirteen.

We are so back, baby, this is what Deuce was excited for.

Who needs twelve and four in AFC Championship games every year?

Boring Squisch the fish.

Let's go who was that?

Sam and Saint Catherine?

I appreciate that so, thank you.

I'd like to get back to the twelve.

Do you?

I'm going to guys now you want to go back to it, I'm.

Ready to go back now.

You you don't appreciate it until you don't have it anymore.

So now that you've made that admission, maybe Fred and I will stop.

No, you won't never know.

No, we won't because it never fails to put a smile.

I'm so tired of twelve.

It's so exciting to see what's going to happen.

I'm glad I did some exciting going twelve forever year with my first couple of years on the show.

That has now resonated through all of my time here that I will never live down.

I think it's good.

Uh, let's go to our friend Christian in La.

He's not there on himself this time.

That's his best call ever.

Wow, Will's and Philly Willem and Philam what's up?

What's going on?

How you doing?

All right?

Uh?

I'm so pissed with.

Season?

Are you kidd of me?

Don't swear?

Two?

Okay?

Two questions?

Well I have more than that, but I'm just noticed the two that I'm getting off there with it, Well, no one is a question.

The other one is really about the twenty twenty twenty twenty four draft class.

If Drake May does not pened out, do you know that none of your players, like nothing pinned it out, like the receivers, the receivers that we drafted, the offensive line, the one tight end with James Bell, Jalen Poe all.

I mean, wouldn't that be a question towards Elliott wolf and no scouts over there?

I was not keen about neither the scouts or or even Elliot Wolf out.

They need to be gone after this.

Unfortunately, I don't want to see nobody get fired, But god damn you.

None of your players in twenty twenty four, none, nobody pinned it out.

It's not a good track.

The biggest reason why the Patriots are in the situation they're in their inability to draft well cansistantly over the last yeah, ten years, yep, long time.

Now, yeah, it sucks so bad.

I mean it's it's oh my god.

And then my last my last question is this is uh, this is for evident.

If the Patriots lose this next game against the Dolphins, we already know the track record with that.

Gentleman, When do you think the players are going to start talking again and giving push back and stop and probably won't believe in what coach Rabel is trying to sell the team.

And I'll leave it that day.

Take care of Gumen.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know why that's directed to happen.

I wonder why that's a that's a pretty big stretch.

I don't think so we're going there.

I have some thoughts on that.

Can I.

Think that's one of the reasons why no, no, I think that's one of the reasons why Rabel was so determined to sort of move on from as many veterans as he did, because veterans are the ones that sort of pack it in when things aren't looking good, because they know what it looks like when it's potentially going to turn around.

Young guys don't know any better.

Young guys are still fighting for their NFL career, you know, so if they're one in five, young guys are going to continue to show up to work with the same attitude in trying to so that like, I got to show these guys that I belong in the NFL and I'm part of the future.

Whereas you know, and I'm not saying any of the individual names, but everybody knows all the veterans that are no longer here.

When you get to one in five and you're a veteran's been in the league for seven years, you're not sitting there saying, wow, jeez, we're going to rattle off, you know, eleven in a row and make the playoffs.

They know better they're not going to do that.

Yeah, Evan and I talked a little bit about this of you know, is there a culture of losing around here?

A little bit that they've tried to get rid of, and Rabel talked about after the game that you know, he said it all off season.

There's gonna be hard times to arrive.

There's going to be times when we have to figure out who we are and it goes a little bit towards you know, what I said about your first game when you get some truth, well, now you have immediately a little bit of adversity to face, and it doesn't get easier.

You got to go on to Miami.

I mean that's we all know how hard it is to play down there, and what's going to be on Drake in that game in terms of just the conditions, Miami playing desperate.

So I I'm just interested to see how they react.

But to the caller's point, this does this help him weed out guys who are I don't know, part of a losing culture and just don't have that kind of Nope, not this year.

I'll just I'll show up, I'll catch my paycheck, I'll do what I got to do.

But I'm not gonna And I do think that's why he was And I'm not telling you that every one of those decisions was the right one.

I think there's some of the some of those veterans that are no longer here could certainly be helping the team.

But to come back, you know, I think we were talking about Jabrill Peppers last week and I was like, I didn't really get it.

You know what that might be why and this is not That's not a knock on Peppers.

Peppers is a veteran.

You know.

I used to talk to someone.

I don't want to ascribe this to any players specifically, but they know what it looks like.

They know what it looks like, or they don't.

You know, some of these guys have not really been around.

A lot, but there's some veterans that do, and they they were part of good teams and then they know what it looks like when they when it's not potential to turn around.

I remember in eight, right the the Matt Castle year, we did a Patriots Monday back in right in this studio, Vince Wilfork and Ty Warren.

You know, I remember like they were sort of overachieving and they were playing well and they had the big win in the wind in Buffalo and it's like eleven and five.

I remember talking to them.

It was like, you know, do you guys feel like and they lost on the tiebreaker, they missed, they missed out on a on a playoff berth, Did you guys kind of feel like you were peaking at the right time and you would have been dangerous?

And they looked no, both of them, Tywarren and Vince Wilford, guys that have been involved with Super Bowls.

You know, in Warren's case two and will Fork's case one, they were like, no, no, no, we were hanging were hanging on we were running on fumes.

We didn't have it.

We didn't have it, especially against the good teams.

That was the right.

They don't recognize, you know what I mean, can't beat the good team.

You're looking at them more realistic than we.

Correct And I think that sometimes veterans will tell you, yeah, they might be getting better, but we're a long way away.

They know, because they're smart enough to know.

I just worry about, you know, for some of the guys that I want to single anybody out.

But the standard, like the standard of this is not acceptable, these types of mistakes, these types of uh, you know, it's third and one and we really need to pick up this first down and you don't even really don't have a competitive block, right like that.

That's that's something that happens with four win teams.

That doesn't happen with twelve and four teams.

And so that standard I got those.

Boring three runs on third.

Oh we already, cup.

I just wonder because you know, I'll sing out in a positive way I thought Milton Williams was awesome in this game.

And Milton Williams just won a Super Bowl with the Eagles and he can come out in this game on Sunday and he is a game wrecker.

Like he is firing into gaps, he's off the ball first guy, he's pressuring quarterback, he's making run stops like he's making plays, and that's the standard, Like that's a that's a tone setting standard.

And I don't know if the guys that have been here for the last handful of years or have been on other teams that have lost, like I don't know if they play to that level of Milton Williams or even Harold Landry, who I thought brought the same type of energy on Sunday.

And I just worry both guys with something are proof.

Yeah you know what I mean.

So like we need some veterans, but let's let's have incentivized you know, you know, Landry's basically trying to resurrect his career coming off of an injury in a in a sub part season for him, and Williams wants to substantiate that huge contract.

And every doubt right, And I just say I think it's good that you have those players highlight as a coach and say this is what we're looking for, Whereas the past couple of years, I don't know how many of those guys you had, right Matthews in Arizona, Hey Matthew, how.

Are you guys doing today?

Okay, yeah, I emailed today.

I emailed a few days ago.

May not have read earlier.

But you know there is a reason why you know, the NFL doesn't use there our Perkins offensive system.

I think watching the first game, I think it's I look at it as like a square peg in a round hole, like it's trying to But Drake May who's more of a spreading offensive Let's Coast type of player, a scramble player into a system that's more of like a pro style, and so I think it's more of a compatibility issue with the Dress medio system overall, and I think him trying to work in that system is much less capacitive compatible to Matt Jones for Brady, because they work better in that system in general.

I don't know what your thoughts are, but I just I think Drake worked better in a less offense in my opinion.

Okay, thanks, Matthew.

I I would say it's more of like a theory at this point than like a fact that he can't succeed in this offense.

It's way too early to say that he can't succeed in this offense.

But it's on my mind, Like I just I don't think he can't succeed.

I just wonder if it's really bringing out the best in him, Like if it's really amplifying the right things.

Let's see Chris with a T, I A N.

What's up, Christian?

Oh no, we suck a game.

I don't want to overreact, but I will.

It just didn't look It was so copy and I get it was so past heavy in the in the second half.

The worst thing that you could do is compare it to other teams.

But you watch them.

Minnesota game last night, JJ McCarty through three quarters wasn't good and then the fourth quarter something just clicked.

And I'm just.

Waiting for something to click with Drake.

You know, I need that drive where we go seven to seven right down the field.

The offense looks good.

At least give us that late, you know, give us that and if we have that, be like Okay, it's there.

It's there.

We can see it, right if they get If they get like two and two through the first four games, I think that's huge for this team based on the way they looked on Sunday.

I mean, that's what I'd be saying if I was a Vikings fan, you didn't have that great a game, but when it mattered, he stepped up.

He did.

You know, it's also his first game.

I know, right, but no, but I'm just saying there is a difference between playing ten or eleven games in one.

No, I know, but like if you can, if you do it in your first game, the chances are you'll be able to do it later.

Oh yeah, you know, I give what Christian saying.

And even just in the locker room after that game, Kevin O'Connell pumping JJ McCarthy up and the way the team reacted to him, Yeah, you know, that's just I was jealous, Like that's what you want to see, Like just the confidence I want that, I.

Want jealousy on the school thing.

It's what's going on.

I am the furthest thing from a JJ McCarthy guy.

But he's got one fourth quarter comeback and Drake has zero and he started one game.

Yeah, you know, and that's just that's just the fact.

I mean, it wasn't just a comeback.

I score he played terrible and like I said, like everyone is killing him, like his career was decided in the first half of the first game.

Not all fourth quarter comebacks are built the same.

Like sometimes you know you're going to tie.

You know, the other team kicks a field goal to tie the game, and you go down and kick a field goal to win the buzzer.

This is like they're down two scores in the fourth quarter and he put twenty one points on the way.

I didn't see it.

I don't know.

If the Bears turn it over and give him short, I don't.

I didn't say they kicked off at the end, but that was different.

But but you know, ply they to say if they don't bite when they're puppies.

But was there and the Beers that did Chicago, you know, turn the ball.

Over or they couldn't move the ball, So I guess, like, you know, short, but it was three three and outs.

Yeah yeah, okay, So give give some credit to Minnesota the like I would say, just even.

Regardless of how good or bad it was for the quarterback, involved just that moment and the team believing in him.

That's going to help him enormously.

That's he's going to believe in him now.

And you know, I just Drake still kind of waiting for that moment, right and.

Drake's defense J J.

McCarthy has Justin Jefferson, Yeah, yeah, and Kevin O'Connell.

You know, I think Kevin O'Connell right now, there's a case to be made he might be the best head coach in the NFL.

Like he is everything that you want, but in everything.

In defense for them, you know, they were missing their second guy in Addison, and they were missing their left tackle and Darisaw like they were missing big pieces of their offense.

Sure, but you know you and Jefferson certainly was not healthy.

Yeah, and one of the best receivers in football, he's the best, he's arguably the but he was not healthful.

Well, you know, one of the drives that specifically where they were, they one of the big drives that they put together.

They just decided, oh, right, like we have Justin Jefferson, We're gonna start throwing that guy the football.

And he made a couple of big plays.

That's all all right, let's go to the other Christian.

He's in LA.

What's up Christian.

Well, you guys don't need me to be a negative Nellie, but I'm going to tell you this.

It's not going to get better, guys to get better at what This is the wrong offense to Drake May, he's not a precision passer.

This is the wrong defense.

When you had Gena Smith being a perennial number two receiver, it looked like a Christian gosults.

That's not going to fix that.

We are headed guys and I and I'm the game is gonna be thirteen to seventeen because I did not hear not one time in the off season.

That's the offense good.

This guy's making some throws that are amazingly Wow.

Back to to this kid he had to hit back to if you don't hear it, even behind closed doors, it's not going to click and happen.

And we talked about this.

I'm even pissed that you had Don Dante Thornton, who both I'm a man l ROUDI and Eldrick and we both said we need receivers like that, big, fast, strong guys.

Forget about this.

You know, guy in the middle Jacon that you can get into a five yard throat.

This is not going to work in today's NFL.

I'm pissed as that you guys didn't listen to me when I said Bravery was the wrong the wrong coach for this team, Drake May.

Out of all the five six quarterback that came out, we got the one guy that cannot turn it up and turn it on.

It is going to get worse and not better.

Truck all right, thanks Christians, Christian, it's gonna get worse before I thought I got to get that place.

Christian.

Just I mean, they won four games the last two years.

How much worse can I get?

If you just say it's definitively, I guess it becomes a fact.

Well, listen, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Absolutely sounds like he's gonna have a lot of fun watching.

For you, you know, And I'd rather have people come in here and be definitive than wishy washing.

But you can be definitive without being disrespectful.

Like again, this is the same conversation I had with him last week.

Why do you need to hear someone tell you what happened in training camp to make you feel better.

I don't really understand that there were days that Drake may look good in training camp, there were other days that the offense looked bad.

It's that that's a fact, But like this whole thing, like not once did you tell me about a thrower he made?

There were times in the game on Sunday did he made some throws that looked really good?

And then there were other times he couldn't hit the little seven yard sit route to Hunter Henry, you start a drive.

All right, one more.

He's inconsistent with his accuracy.

That's that's what I've seen so far.

Honest is in North Carolina?

Is that your name is that?

Your name is honest?

Yes?

What's your last name?

To goodness?

Tell the truth?

Is okay?

Honest Richardson.

That didn't go the way you thought it was going to go.

To it?

So for y'all is how do you guys feel about Terrence Williams or what's his name the defensive court?

Yeah?

I wasn't a big fan of his play calls.

It was a lot of unnecessary blitzes.

It was just a lot of blown coverages.

Do you think that the defense has completely bought into his system?

I don't think it's a question of buying into it.

But I I mean, I I was.

Before that's how they want to play, though I know, I think that that's just the first time.

I think that that's a piece of it.

You know, I think you'll do you these are the the licks that you take and then you hopefully learn from him.

Like I didn't particularly like we argued about the third and twenty blitz.

I bet you the next time that that happens, that situation comes up, he probably won't send the house.

Do you feel some parallels?

So just watching a first year play caller into Marcus Covington last year where it felt a little like all over the place at times, and it just, you know, didn't really seem like Thank God, experience play callers have a feel for the game and they know the right time to break out the blitzes, and you know, maybe it's an experiencing but I just I got a little bit of vibes to that.

I'm like, why that now, you know, are you once you're actually calling the plays?

I think it's a little bit different.

All right, Well, listen, I'm calling the show.

You're my friend.

Even with one guy on the line, I'm calling the show.

Yeah, calling the show.

We're gonna pick it up tomorrow at noon.

We're all going to take it every Wednesday, so.

We'll have Mike Vrabel talking.

We'll probably have Drake May talking tomorrow after practice.

Correct, Diggs will be talking in the locker room before practice, and then we'll have our show catch twenty two tomorrow tomorrow at ten.

It's a big day, Big Wednesday.

It's turn the Page Day.

Exactly what I was just about to say.

Turn the Page Day.

We're going to talk about beating Miami in Miami tomorrow, Page Day.

All right, thanks for listening today.

We'll see you tomorrow.

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