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It is Tuesday.

Here richel Let's stadium.

And why don't I have a light on on any cameras?

I don't know anyway, no talent today, so we don't know which cameras are on.

I'm thinking it's this one.

But yes, so huge win, huge, huge.

It's a true professional right there.

Just you know, we have a little bit of a glitch going on.

He just he fought right through it, even he lasted ten seconds before we go on.

I like to show people behind the scenes how the sausages to be hard.

If you have to go to your one for something.

Yeah, but you know, I start right off the bat.

Great win, great win.

I don't care how it transpired.

You beat Baltimore in Baltimore, desperate team, bad matchup, you knew that going in, tons of injuries, bad refereeing.

You're still you still want, You're still want.

And now the Patriots are in the playoffs.

Yep, nothing that can happen that can take the playoffs, the Patriots out of the playoffs.

No, nice to do it on your terms too.

I didn't really want to wait till you know, oh this team lost and all of a sudden, you know, on the Sunday night or Monday night, you.

Know, we're in the playoffs.

So it was nice to be able to do it on your turn steal your own fate.

So I love it.

I love it.

Uh, it's Paul, it's Deuce.

Will even be by.

He's always just decided to take time off to eat a sandwich.

Most of us wait till a break and then we eat.

But you know that's all right.

Couldn't he couldn't do it.

I have friends in the mafia.

Yeah, to be able to watch yourself, and they'll work at Jersey Mikes.

Uh okay, which, by the way, it's a pretty good story about Jersey Mikes with Evan.

I know we never shared that one on them from from the well.

That later, but I know people Tuesday, people want to talk about this Baltimore game, what it means.

Obviously, we talked about the Pages being in the playoffs, not the af C East.

Yet that can happen this coming week.

If the Patriots win and Buffalo loses, then they automatically get the a f C East this week.

So still a lot to play for.

Obviously, in the regular season.

There is Evan.

Hi, you're good.

Sorry, I was finishing my sandwich.

Why don't you wait till the break?

I don't know.

I jumped the gun and then I was eating and.

Got a nice haircut.

Yeah, just got it this morning.

G and L yep, G and A.

It's okay, G and A.

I went in there and it didn't really seem like they knew me.

But then when I was walking out, he gave me a little like little knowing no, and I'm like, yeah, maybe he does know me, but I don't know.

You didn't say it.

You should have like a little one of those boomboxes with you, so whenever you walk in a room it plays one of the songs here and then.

A haircut.

Yeah, they're they're popular spot because you know all the Christmas cuts, you know, the dads and with their sons in there getting their spiffy for the holidays.

I had time.

I do it all right.

So where do you want to start with this game?

I mean obviously beginning first three hundred yard game and got the game ball was predicted by Fred and got the game ball.

After the games, as predicted by also May, we'll have a three hundred plus yard game.

What about the other part you cut it out?

Did you get I gave you.

People were talking over you, but I gave you your props.

Thank you.

I heard you.

We said that every week.

I heard you.

I heard it.

It was just Paul Snart.

I heard you.

But you do say it every week?

No, I don't.

Is that why you got mad at me yesterday?

When I gave you your props you kind of walked by me or you're busy.

I was busy lead three yard and you nailed it and he just like he goes.

I think I was on my way to a meeting, if you know what I mean.

Okay it Yeah, did you bring the Penske file?

Yeah?

It was a great win.

And I mean, I admit early on it was frustrating.

I was definitely uh not happy with how it went right out of the gate.

Thought they started slow and that was not a formula I was hoping for.

But then that punched out fumble and to me, I don't know how you guys felt in the stadium, but to me, it felt like right there, it felt like Baltimore all of a sudden started to clam up a little bit.

And then of course you know, Lamar got hurt.

And but all credit to Drake there at the end.

That was awesome.

That fourth down pass.

I mus must have watched it six times yesterday, just like what a laser.

It was how close it was.

I mean that the past before was like I still have a heart attack about that one, but just it was therefore we've been waiting for.

I mean I said it all summer, and you know, not to say now that he's done it once that that's it.

He'll always do it.

But at least you have some evidence now, I mean, game on the line.

Say what you want about not playing Derek Henry or Lamar being hurt or whatever.

The offense still need to take advantage of that.

Yeah, they still needed to come from behind by eleven points, yep, and they did it.

Yeah, that's the bottom line.

Had to be perfect in the last twelve minutes and fifty seconds of that game.

The Patriots basically had to play perfect, and they did in all three phases.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was another one I was interested to talk Evan about.

Was the RPOs at the end there.

I really like that a lot.

Some GF Counteryeah, yeah, a couple of times.

Everybody chasing Remondre on that last one, and they ran it the.

First time and Ramon he handed it off, and so I think they probably thought, oh, it's just kind of for show that he's not actually going to keep it, uh, and so they kind of in that spot you kind of have to sell out and go after something somebody and something.

Kind of a situational thing, though, I mean we haven't really seen a lot of that.

I mean, I know he got the goal line a little bit, but that yeah.

Yeah, the low red zone stuff last week against Buffalo and then this week they pulled it out at the end to kind of ice the game and play eleven on eleven and you know, make the run game a little bit more dynamic that way in a close out situation.

But I think that, you know, my whole like feeling while watching the game, you know in Baltimore was even when they got down eleven points, like you just don't feel like they're out of it now, and like that feeling is just so different than what it's been for five years now really since Brady left.

And they have a guy now in Drake May that he can play bad for three quarters and you feel like he can bring him back.

And I don't think that that's uh, you know, that's not a small thing because you're not gonna be perfect every week.

You're not gonna play you know, great out of the shoot every single week.

You're gonna be behind, You're gonna have you know, moments in the fourth quarter where you're driving and you're down three points and you have to make plays.

And uh, the addability now for them to be down two scores late in the game and just go touchdown, touchdown, you know, ballgame is uh it Yeah, it's such a huge it's such a huge difference, and you know he was There was obviously some plays that that weren't so good that he'd probably like to have back.

But the high level plays that he made in this game really for all four quarters, even going right back to the opening drive, you know it digs twenty five yards over the middle on just an absolute dart like he was terrific.

You know, the rainbow of Kyle Williams, you know, right in the bucket.

Yeah.

And by the way, the one to Remondre that was just a little long, that was almost.

Yeah, that was a good Yeah, that was a good shot.

What was the feeling in the stadium though, I'm just I'm curious how the contingent and Patriot fans who were very vocal you could hear that on the broadcast, but just did you feel like the angst from the Ravens fans of this season because they've been terrible at home and they come out seem like they're all right, they're ready to go.

But it felt like things devolved.

I don't know if you guys noticed the atmosphere.

It was a cool atmosphere because before the game, they had Steelers Lions up on the video board and the whole stadium was watching the end of Steelers Lions, and obviously the Ravens were cheering hard for the Lions to come back in that game.

And then that game kind of ended the way it did, and that was sort of deflating, I think at first, you know, and so that was sort of took the energy out a little bit for the fans that had been there already.

And then Lamar gets hurt in the second quarter, so that takes the energy out even more.

And so I don't really think that there was a whole.

Lon't It wasn't like we've been there or I've been there for games where you know, Ravens are rolling and they're doing the chant and everything, you know, the White Stripe song, and it's it's pretty intimidating.

Didn't get that sense at any time in this game.

Interesting, No, And I think Mike's point about the first fubb, the Henry fumble, I think I haven't really felt all year that the Patriots were you know, you know, even when they've been on the heels, I haven't felt like they were on the verge of like really really bad stuff.

I think they were on the verge of getting boat raced.

The way the game started, I don't I don't think it was gonna stop.

And that fumble stemmed the tide for a while, and then Jackson getting hurt obviously stemmed the tide for a while, but Baltimore was able to regain their composure and take control of the game back in the third quarter into the fourth quarter.

And now at this point, I go to what Evan said.

I didn't feel like the game was over, and I you know, I'm prone to give a nodge.

You guys said that I'm not afraid to call a game over or not off before it's over.

It was close during the postgame couple of.

Times, but the way I just you don't want to hear this, so maybe you go iermosire fred I said to Mike, this is what the Ravens do.

Nobody blows more two score leads in the fourth quarter than the John Harbar Ravens.

They're a really good team and a really good organization that wins a lot of games, but they blow a lot of two score leads in the fourth quarter in this particular year.

It's not even any of those things.

They're not a good team.

They haven't been good at home.

That's the sixth, sixth time they've lost that home this year.

They find ways to lose those games.

And I never thought the Patriots were out of the game.

I expected them to go out and score.

I didn't know if they would win.

Expect acted in the ground and.

Score and put game pressure on Baltimore, and they did.

Yeah, yeah, no, I I mean I didn't love the fake punt.

That to me was kind of the the bad moment where I that's it.

I did, you know, I kind of did my due.

As a side.

When they say if they lost the game twenty four to thirty, or let's just say twenty four to twenty one, maybe they score once, but then Baltimore is able to grind out some first downs and run the clock out.

What do you think the reaction would have been to just basically handing them seven points.

Yeah, yeah, I mean we're able.

Took full responsibility today at his press conference and that was his call, and you know, admitted it wasn't a great call.

Seem like, I don't know what you thought.

I it sounded like you wanted Mapu to just throw it.

You know, and just give west Over a chain.

Yeah, just gives over.

I don't.

I always go back and forth with things like fake punts and stuff because everybody loves it when it works right, and it's only.

I wouldn't have loved this one if it went for a touchdown.

I wouldn't have loved that just because of the game.

But I hear what you're saying, but like all you can do is call it, and like when it doesn't work, it's like, you know, everybody's all up in arms about it.

I would wonder, and I didn't get a chance to follow up on it today, but I would wonder if there was an option to check out of it.

Because Baltimore was in punt safe, so they had two levels of their unit.

They weren't selling out to rush the punter, so normally, like you wouldn't want to call that into that look.

So like they could just as easily lined up to call the fake checked out of it, and none of us would have been.

But didn't it look like they did that the previous time they I don't think so.

The previous time that they punted, they were in a different formation and they were blocking, and my guess is that they were just making some sort of check.

So that was the other thing that I think threw off the fake was they were in a different kind of formation, and so I'm sure Baltimore was looking at the formation that they were lined up in and was like, something's up here.

And give them credit.

Give Baltimore credit the reason why I didn't like it.

And you're right if everybody just it's result oriented.

But you're playing the backup quarterback.

You're, you know, in a tight game.

It's a tight kind of rock fighty game at the time.

Don't play field position.

It's fourth and ten, you know, not fourth and three.

Big part of it.

Just play field position and make Tyler Huntley drive the length of the field.

He couldn't do that, you know, I mean they threw He threw ten passes for sixty five yards like Lamar, you know, had a hunt over one hundred yards like one hundred and one yards, like, well, maybe they thought there was no there was no way Baltimore was going to be able to consistently drive the length of the field.

Maybe him playing quarterback.

Well, maybe they didn't think that Derrick Henry was going to stay in the sideline and they were just going to chew up clock like crazy, and which they probably would have done if they played him.

No, but he did play in that drive and he went when they went down and scored.

I'm not suggesting that, but like maybe instead of making them go fifty yards for a touchdown, yeah, forty four yards for a touchdown, make them go eighty four yards for a touchdown, and if they do it, you tip your cap and say they did it.

You guys, are right.

I just try to figure out like what they were thinking.

I think, you know, the other thing angle to it is, well, if you're it's Tyler Huntley, so like putting them on a shorter field, like you might think that the defense is going to hold, right and now way you know, maybe it's.

A field goal that is aunt of time.

Yeah, right, But I don't think I think they thought that they had a good a good play for it, and I think they thought it was going to work.

Oh, I totally think you don't.

You don't rawl that if you don't think it's gonna work.

No, I just mean like, I don't think that it was anything more than that.

I don't know if it was anything.

Just you know, I agree, I totally do it.

I think it didn't work.

I just feel like I might think I have a look in this game, and I'm sure it was specific to Baltimore, you know, something that they worked on during the week we got this play.

We think it might work based on the way Baltimore might show us something.

I get that I would say, let's keep that one in the pocket in this game because of the situation in this game, not necessarily, you know, it was lower scoring, you didn't need you know.

In other words, being down four points at that time to me was not the end of the world, but being down eleven made you desperate and you put yourself in Now.

To their credit, they fought their way out of it and they were able to overcome it.

I just felt like they created some of the adversity on their on their own.

Yeah, I obviously you know, the Abel fell on the sword for it this morning, and but you have to have that ability to recognize they know something's up.

On the other side, they have two levels to their punt return, which you know they so basically they have like linebackers playing at the second level here that are sitting on potential routes down the field.

They probably didn't know exactly what the play design was, but they knew that they're right, there is a fake potentially coming.

So you would have liked to have just seen them check out of it, punt it, and you know, keep that one for another day.

I think that's the biggest thing to me too, is like maybe that works in the playoffs, Like maybe you're down two touchdowns in a playoff game and he needs something and like now it's on tape, Like now now they know that that's your fake, So now you get into that whole thing about it too.

So I just don't know if that was the spot they needed it.

I like to focus on the positive things.

Not only kidding, but I big shout out to remondre Steve.

I was just gonna bring him up with Henderson going down, he's now the guy and he came through.

Vintage kind of you know performance from him.

We had him on the post game show.

I shout it up, Paul.

I was like, Remondre, just so you know, we're in here every time you made a pass plot, Paul's getting here going crazy.

He's like, that's right, Paul Yell.

I don't know if I've ever spoken to him, like one on one He's like, yeah, he.

Had a great one on Kyle Hamilton.

Unbelievable, like two or three times, guys.

You know, there was one and it looked like he was like inside and they you know, like that you were there to go up close to the A gap and then they sort of you know, teams are starting to adjust to those those kinds of adjustments now, and they sent somebody wide and he still got out there in time to get the guy.

I think those players are invaluable, and I think he had a really good all around game.

Yeah.

It was also really interesting.

He said on the on the final touchdown that you know play was designed to go left.

Baltimore had everybody left, and he's like, I already knew I was taking it right.

And as soon as he got that corner, you know, everybody knew.

The second I.

Think it was like Jered Wilson, like the second he got around the corner and and great block by by Kyle william.

Kyle Williams, so you know, made sure he screened off that last guy.

Yeah, couple of guys went contributions by so many different guys in individual spots.

That's it, Paul, I mean, that's what this team is at its best.

It's it's another one of those offensive games where you go Hunter, Henry, Austin, Hooper, Kyle Williams, Stefon Diggs, mac Hollins, Like every single one of those guys came through and made contributions.

I mean maybe Pop was the only one who didn't really contribute.

I know, we got hurt, so he didn't have a chance maybe, but that didn't get hurt.

I mean, that's what's just so exciting about this.

That's the one the one thing to worry about going forward.

I think they had nine guys leave the game at some point and and Jared Wilson and that doesn't count.

Jared Wilson, Jerry Wilson.

Concussion.

What Rabel said today by by my so along with Henderson, how do you get.

A concussion as an offensive lineman?

And who's a lot of concussions for uscussion.

Henderson, boy boy Henderson.

Yeah, we saw get the Booty.

One of the plays that the booty, you know, the booty play was the play you got passing passing offense, which I know you guys think that I'm crazy.

Did that one.

Just gonna leave that one right there, but that one smelled.

Yeah, it should be an investigrate and I'm not exaggerating.

I'll leave it at that.

Yeah.

Uh.

And I'm not talking this game.

I'm talking all games.

That's that's the difference between me and you.

The other guy.

I would like to give a little bit of a shout out to Jack Gibbons.

Not perfect, but I thought just for a guy who's in a really tough spot having to make some tackle, you know, I just I liked what he brought on a defense where they just needed somebody to make some tackles and make some plays, and he did make some plays.

It wasn't you know.

It's a misstackles too, But at the same time, without Spallane, I just thought his effort really, you know, it's like you feel like the line was right in the middle and he did just enough to keep you above that line.

I thought defensively.

So it's just one guy to me that that when I watched it against.

Good stuff, good stuff, and you know, Raybel called out Gonzales after the game, saying that he stepped up, you know, kind of something clicked when they really needed it most.

He had a good game, playing a little special teams tackle on Derrick Henry.

Uh.

And we should mention that he and Drake May are Pro bowlers.

Drake May his first time, he'll be the.

How do we tackle that?

How do we tackle second time?

Right?

And then then truly first and then like technically Mac Jones made it in twenty twenty, but like not really like you know, it's like you go.

Through the whole time.

Drake May.

His answer about that today was hilarious.

He's like, I didn't deserve to be there last year.

Like he you know, came out and said, like last year was ridiculous.

He was like, I think they came to the as the last person they asked, and I finally got somebody that said yes that they would go.

That's about the marking his coin.

Well, yeah, the thing is he won't be able to play this year, hopefully Super Bowls.

Drake Also, so we heard from mil Williams today who v Abel said, we'll begin practicing.

Talked to him in the locker room.

He said that he was glad he didn't need surgery.

That's when he knew that he wouldn't he'd be able to come back.

We asked him if he would be able to if he thought he'd be able to play this weekend.

He said he needs to get out there and see.

But he did say he has been running, didn't have surgery, been really hard watching the games on TV.

So we'll see.

If they get him back, it would be a huge boost.

And another thing, I saw Spalline in the locker room.

No walking boot this time.

Okay, good means it was anybody.

It was on the floor right next to it.

He just wasn't did anybody see the team actually depart the locker room?

And if he had any no, no, no, no, no, no, none of those.

But it was a kind of a sparse locker room.

I was.

I was kind of, you know, taking in who was in there, who wasn't.

Maybe guys were I think they were going into a team meeting, so it wasn't quite the same as guys getting ready at their lockers and you know they need to be in the locker room to get their pats on and stuff.

So I think we're all just really curious to see tomorrow what the what the injury report looks.

I think in the fourth quarter there was a time where I think it was that last drive and I returned to Evan he said, he did, he did.

I heard you guys had some interesting neighbors up in the press box down there in Baltimore.

I don't know.

Well, they have a new press box in Baltimore.

They moved it to the of the end zone, and you're like, it is tight.

It's tight, like you can't get up from your chair once you're in.

I know, I know what was We had to go to a game and for free, but it was one of the worst press boxes.

So that did it made it worse.

Rival rivals, the Miami Dolphins at hard Rock Stadium, for the made worse.

Now the Commander is Washington in their current stadium is also horrible.

I could go down a list, but for me, all I care about is vantage point.

Like I don't necessarily care about the press box itself, but like you know me, I want to have a nice view of the field.

There's a lot in corners corner.

Yeah, yeah, but at least here it's high.

The Washington one that Evan's talking about, I don't know if it's still this way corner, you get no prospective, you can't see anything.

It is absolutely terrible.

The whole stadium is terrible.

That's why that's why they're getting rid of a new one.

Do you guys like being in the middle though, I don't know.

I always look at like Reese on the because they're kind of like on the bend in our press box, and they almost have for the end zone view were more in the corner.

The end zone is not good for perspective.

Like you see a pass go up and you don't know really how high it is or low it is, and it's hard.

For twenty six seasons.

I'll let you know when I can tell if a pass is going to get tipped or picked or not.

I lose the depth every single time.

I only care about height, Like I don't care if it's in the middle or if it's in the corner, but it.

Needs to be hot.

So like that's why I disagree with some people that like the fifty yard line, like like Nashville like Tennessee is like fifty yard low because it's too low.

So now I'm like, it's you know, you can't see like all the players, you know, and how the play is developing.

I much like the metal Lands.

Yeah, I love the metal Lands.

That's a little high.

I love the Metal Lands.

I like our press box.

I think, I think Jillette.

It's perfect.

It's up top high.

It's perfect to me because I have you guys next to me.

New Orleans was great.

Who is that?

Like?

I can't And it's the.

Best, the best ones.

Allegiant Vegas, Vegas fifty yard line high, high, high, up top.

I got the bird's eye view.

You're right in the middle.

Chef's kiss perfect.

All right, there's your press box.

Good press box talked by Okay, I'm very spoiled.

I get to go to all these games.

So so things are looking good for the Patriots, except for those injuries that we started to help is.

A concern, you know, and Morgan Moses obviously battling through something.

I'm not sure that they had designs on him going back in that game.

If if Mumford didn't end up getting banged up.

Ultimately they both finished the game those two guys are going to be worth monitoring.

The depth is getting tested.

We don't know if Boody's gonna be back in, but the road is clearing for Chisholm to make his playoff run.

They got to get him in and get get him in.

Talk about you know we have we talked about May and Gonzales getting their Pro Bowl nominations.

What about the snub for Booty?

You guys all right with that?

Fred?

He's being Booty Fred.

I thought he was gonna say, what about what about.

The snub for Marcus Jones?

Yeah?

I mean Brabel talked about that too.

So I don't understand.

They had a kick returner but not a punt returner on this So.

I've been told it's a returner, they call it kick returner.

But Mary Dka with the Titans, he returns punts and kickoffs.

So he had Marcus Jones's punt production plus production as a kickoff returner, so he.

Got to pick a returner.

Yeah, I don't have any problem with that if if DK had better, But I don't understand why they wouldn't have both positions.

They just have one return.

Two different things.

Now in that case, the same guy does it, but not not everybody has it like that.

Yeah, yeah, that's that's just.

Marcus Jones should be the punt returner.

Come on, that's just the way.

That's just poor to me the way it is.

Yeah, poor to me.

You don't like that?

Yeah, I don't like what my crushes get snub.

Okay, what else.

Garrett Bradberry is the good guy of the year for anyone who cares.

Oh, he's great.

Good guy.

So the media loves him, they do.

He's easy to like.

He's uh but like.

He's one of those guys that that we'll talk to you one on one and have conversations with you at his locker a lot.

He kind of just sits there and holds court.

Often.

You're not a big like you know, obviously don't bring this center other than like David Andrews at the end to like podiums and stuff like that very often, but he's there, like what am I doing up here?

Yeah?

He kind of always like is it you know, willing to talk.

He gives thoughtful answers, you know that that sort of thing.

So he's really.

Held down that center position all he played well.

Yeah, he's played played well.

I think he's succeeded a certainly.

My exp question.

Quick example, we have an employee here who unfortunately his son suffered an injury playing high school sports, and brad Berry was full on asking him all about it, getting all the details you know you can.

It's as you could see, like.

A really first year player obviously doesn't know.

Yeah.

Anyway, okay, I'm trying to think if there's anything else about the game itself.

And we didn't talk about Diggs.

Yeah, well Diggs had a great game.

Diggs is just going off, was going off.

Yeah, I mean he was.

He was tremendous.

I like the way he was, you know, snatching the ball and then the yards after catch.

Yeah, you know, is it?

I mean it's like, why doesn't look that way every week?

You know, just thirty two years old coming out?

Yeah, I think that he gets up for these primetime games.

Uh.

Baltimore's his hometown, so it was a it was a homecoming for him as well playoff games to hopefully but yeah, he uh, I mean this was a clinic like mans zone inside outside, but just it didn't matter.

I mean, he beating Marlon Humphrey like a drum across the field, a couple of times they.

Were beating him a lot.

Yeah, yeah, he might be washed forty four.

Are they going after him?

Yeah?

I mean some of the like conversions and his feel for zone coverage is just unbelievable.

You know, the way that he just knows where to settle and where to find those openings.

You know, the fourth down play, the game winning drive was inches from being intercepted or broken up and he turns it into a twenty one yard game was he was an animal.

I mean, he was unbelievable in this game.

And I think the positive is is like you can see, all right, he's when he's got it, like he can go back and get it right.

Like he might not be like this every single week at this stage of his career, but when it's the stakes are high and it's a big game and he's feeling it, like he can go out there and be the best player on the field and then maybe the quarterback.

So it was this was vintage Stefan Diggs, like he was putting on a clinic.

Yep.

Good stuff.

And I guess he got a little bit of money.

He's got bonuses in his contract for going over seventy eighty and ninety catches.

Okay, so he got a half a million dollars.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's on pace for nine hundred and eighty five yards on the season right now.

So I don't know if he's gonna you know, how much these not two games are gonna mean in terms of his participation in them.

But yeah, you know he's getting right now, you know, eight sixty and.

Drake could very likely get over four thousand, assuming that he plays both games fully.

Yeah, yeah, eight sixty nine.

Yeah, he's up.

To to get it.

I bet he gets it a thousand yards.

I think it's important to him.

Cool.

Yeah, yeah, And I'm coming off the ACL I mean.

Yeah, I mean that's to me, that's big.

Yeah, yeah, good stuff.

I mean we were thinking of well, I don't want to give away some content idea until.

We do it.

I don't do it.

One more thing.

Ben Brown signing a contact extension on did you say that Drake May you know, should get two thousand.

I mean disaster struck if he doesn't get four thirty six thirty forty seven.

Oh.

I was thinking to myself, I thought he already had four.

Thousand, But then I was reading something today that he had like thirty six something before the game.

Yeah, he had three eighty in the game.

Okay, maybe it was something old I was reading.

Yeah, so he'll he'll get over four thousand.

In the first quarter.

Probably he'll get over throw.

He is uh.

He now leads the league in total QBR, he's second in e paper drop back and just reading some of the people that do have MVP votes, I think a lot of people after the Bills game were like, he's not now, he's not going to win MVP.

You know, he's kind of out of it, you know, so to speak with Stafford and Allen's push, but not so fast, my friend.

I mean, I I think he's right there.

Yeah, I think he's right.

So we should talk about it because I'm a little bit annoyed.

First of all, I'm very annoyed at my bloggers early game.

I don't remember being so disappointed in Patriots Fall.

That's worse.

I mean, yeah, things weren't going good, and it wasn't like like I I'm all for criticism, like oh so and so is having a bad game, or they're doing this, they're playing too much.

That's fine, but this is what I'm hearing.

This team is trash.

I hate this team.

We suck again.

No, that's all it was.

It was just like, then what are you watching for?

Leave?

It was really disappointing.

And then once they started coming back, it was silence.

You know, so like where were you then?

You know, It's just that was disappointing.

The other thing that this is more kind of annoying was this whole thing about Drake.

He needed this game.

So were you telling me that if he came up a little short in this game, that's it?

He's not the guy.

I mean, like, I don't know, we put too much emphasis on what just happened until instead of like really looking at it holistically and saying, no, this kid's going to be good.

He's not completely baked yet.

He's still you know, need to keep him in the oven a little bit longer as most people are in the NFL.

It takes your time.

But yeah, like I have no doubt that he's going to be really good.

You know, this game is another check, you know, box check, but that the comeback was going to come eventually.

Yeah, you know, so like all these people like, okay, now we can put that one away.

Well, what if he never has another comeback?

And it's like it's so stupid.

Yeah, to me, it's just it's fun watching him get experience and good and bad and that's all going to help him in the long run.

And we're in this for the long run.

The other NFL FRAN thirty one teams, how many of those teams would want Drake.

Me right now?

You know, probably thirty of them, right.

But but like people around here, we are so spoiled.

Well, that's like we've seen excellence at its highest level and our expectation is there and it's just so unrealistic.

Meanwhile, we've got this kid who you know, he's lights out.

He's he's amazing, he's got all the tools.

He makes mistakes and then he corrects them, you know, so you can see that he's coachable, he's everything you want in a quarterback.

And until he has that game, we can't trust him.

It's like, oh god, come on.

The only comparison that I can think of watching him throw the deep ball is like watching Steph Curry shoot threes, right, like.

Just like launching a movie.

Like Steph Curry like hit a thirty footer off the dribble and you're just like that, is that a human being doing that, just threw it to the moon and somehow right where.

Yeah, and that's that's watching him throw deep Like watching him throw the ball down the field is like so aesthetically pleasing, but it's also so damn good.

Like it's unbelievable, not.

A lot of effort.

It's just like he's got the.

Arm and you're almost like, as the ball is in the air going to Kyle Williams, I'm like, I didn't put my hands up, but I was already like touchdown, but you're just like, you know, it's just going to be right on his hands.

Like it's just uncanny how good he throws the ball down the field, And like the numbers back that up.

And he's four for five in this game, and the only incompletion was the booty play, which should have been past interference, so you know, it really wasn't a true incompletion and he just you know, like I said earlier, the amount of high level plus plays whatever you want to call it, that he made in this game was just every single time I felt like I was writing, well, they had a jail break on the left side, he steps up in the pocket, you know, finds digs over the middle.

Another you know, Blitzer comes in, you know bludes it throws the ball down the field.

You know, Kyle Williams touchdown, just over and over again, just making just unbelievable play after unbelievable plays.

So special, and like I remember watching it happen, even you know, going back to last year's training camp and to see him consistently do it, that's what's amazing to me.

Because he hit like he'd hit them early on.

You didn't know him as a player, even his first touchdown of booty last year against the Texans, where all of a sudden you're just like, my god, Like he has uncanny accuracy down Like this is different.

This isn't just the guy who oh there's a guy running free down and he hit him right, Like.

This is a guy who's dropping a pin in a bucket from fifty yards out and putting it right where his guy can get it.

I mean, Kyle Williams is like, how do you defend that?

Right?

It's just it's it's been one of the coolest things and let's not you know, let's skip props to Kyle Williams for the catch.

It was over the shoulder, you know, like didn't let up, you know, kept his pace.

You know, so often you see guys like stutter or stop and you know he screws up the timing, but he just you know, he was full out catching it and you know on the move it was just you know, and throw great catch.

And I know it hasn't been perfect when we can point out some of the worts in Kyle Williams game still, but like to have him start to make some plays here at the end of the season, like this is what you need with rookies, like you show some patience early on.

I know early in this season, where's Kyle Williams.

Whre's Kyle Williams very you know, not doing very much, but just even these little glimpses here right now, and it also to me is just proof positive of it doesn't really matter Drake's thrown to whether it's Booty getting down the field or Kyle Williams or the guy that you bring next year or whatever it might be.

It's Drake may putting the ball right where the receiver can get it.

And that to me is just super exciting.

And now we have a little something next year.

All right, what's Kyle Williams, like in year two, can we get him polished up a little bit and can he become even more of a signal contribute.

It's a really encouraging Like the whole rookie class has been pretty good across the board, but like you have Henderson with the second half push, you have Kyle Williams starting to make plays.

You know, Craig Woodson's played like every snap on defense.

I don't know if he's an impact safety, but he's a starter and he's a guy that can play a lot of playing time for you.

You know, it wasn't Jared Wilson's best game.

Maybe it was because he was concussed the entire time.

I wish I had that context before I wrote about it yesterday.

That's funny, that's funny.

It was like he didn't know what.

Was going on.

Yeah, you know, probably make an edit, maybe not that one, but yeah, you know, like you obviously you know when when Campbell comes back like that, that's like four or five guys that they drafted last year.

And you know, if you want to Paul, don't roll your the kicker.

You know, he's been near perfect.

That's what that's what the kickers do.

Yeah, I mean we're just thought about.

But Campbell, Henderson, Wilson, Williams, Woodson, the kicker.

I mean that's four or five contributors at least from one draft class.

YEP.

I found myself like, this is a question I've think I've talked to some of the reporters about.

I just like, I'm like Woodson, it's great, he's playing.

Is he good?

Like?

Is he like?

Are we like?

Oh?

This is usually a rookie comes in and he starts every game at safety for you, and you feel like, wow, we found a gem and like and I like him.

But I just am finding myself wondering, you know, is this within this scheme?

I would think there should be more plays to be made.

He hasn't really made a lot of plays on the ball.

He's made some great tackles, he's made some good you know.

Do you think they knew.

That when they got rid of Douglar and Phillips?

Yeah?

Yeah, I mean well I think I think they knew they wanted to play too high slight.

I mean, Pepper, I'm sorry.

I know it.

Yeah, yeah, I knew you were talking.

Why am I thinking Phillips, Adrian Phillips maybe, But anyway, do you think when they got rid of the two safeties veterans that they knew we got guys that it's not going to be that it's going to be a softer landing than you think.

Well, Woodson was already taking reps with the first team at that point of the summer.

Anyways, Like, I think they had already made that transition right around Minnesota, right around the joint practices with the Vikings.

They they I feel like they already decided that.

They were going to roll the slot a lot, and I was like, what's going on here?

The concerted effort that they had throughout the offseason to move on for as many people as they could.

Yeah, I know, but you don't do that if I think you're not going to be able to you know, they make up, you know, make up.

They were going to replace the guys they wanted.

I don't think that mattered as much to them as moving on and having their guys, their voices being heard.

I think that was really important to Mike, and I think that's the way it's played out.

I think Dougars played well for Pittsburgh.

He's Betty solid.

I don't think it really has anything to do with we think Woodson's this or that.

I think Woodson's their guy and they wanted to move on.

Well, why not get rid of those guys earlier than Doug because they could have made it into camp because they couldn't.

The other guys they could just indiscriminately cut with no penalty.

They needed to try to do something with Douger's contract and they ultimately were able to deal with when they did.

And I don't think, please don't misunderstand this is this was a bad move.

I think the off season was a home run.

They identified the need like and also, don't take it the other way either, like, oh Paul's now trashing guys like David Andrews.

No, I'm not.

I think it was important for Mike Vrabel to do it to sort of forge his own path.

I don't want as many and it's I don't want those guys around.

I don't want the old regime around.

And it wasn't because those guys were bad influences, but there was guys that were.

You know, Jonathan Jones was a good player for the Patriots.

I think he thought it would be better to move on Dietrich Wise, David Andrews, Jawan Bentley.

I think he thought there was value in moving on from guys that were here before, because he knows he's going to be dealing with a lot of young guys that Evan just talked about the draft class that need my voice, not.

Maybe someone else's voice who might say.

Well, that's weird that Mike's doing it this way.

Bill used to do it this way, you know.

And again, not because those guys are bad influences.

But I think that there's a reason why they moved on from as many veterans as they did, and I think he wanted his message to be the only message.

Yeah, I can see that because we talked about it last year.

Of what point does this is how we did it back when the page when I was with the Patriots, Like well, like that doesn't resonate anymore.

And I totally get the point of, you know, wanting to have his voice be the primary voice.

I just say, with the safety position, it does seem dramatically different to me from what they used to want to do, which was have a high free safety and have a safety in the box who basically played linebacker, And now they want two free safeties who can go down and back and down and back and do whatever they want.

And I think that that example in Minnesota to me was like to your point, Paul, looking for some them for peppers, Like, you know, is this guy gonna be able to cover in the slot?

You know, it's just like, whoa, this is not what this guy does having to chase you know.

One of the movies, and you know you cannot criticize it.

It's worked.

No, I think that the biggest, one of the biggest I'm not talking about the record.

That's obvious.

And I think you can make an arm about the locker room.

Yeah, yeah, talking about the locks.

You ever seen a team and you know, maybe it's all fluff, but that more has been made about the bond that seems to have been you know, built on this team and the family and all this stuff like well, like we've seen, you know, teams that have had good locker rooms before, but this one, Yeah, it's something.

I think it's a big part of their success.

Is it overshadows.

I think it makes up for some of the things that they may be lacking.

So in other words, you can make an argument right now that they they since Milton Williams got hurt.

They really struggled stopping the run.

I know they were leaking a little bit before then, but the games, the four games that Milton Williams was out, they couldn't stop the run.

Do you think they could use Keon White?

No, I'm not talking about a difference maker.

I don't think that they could use ke On White because I think he was a problem and I don't think that they wanted a.

Guy who was going to be wondering about is.

That the right message to be sending, because clearly in his two years in New England he had no problems questioning the message, questioning the coaching.

He might be a better player than Corey.

He is a better player than Corey Durden.

He's a different kind of player, but he's not going to help me.

Corey Durden is because Corey Durden is.

On board and he's my guy, and he is playing for me on Joshua Farmer And you know, Eric Gregory White's probably a better player than all of those guys, but he's not a better player for the Patriots because he's not all on board.

What he gains from the intangibles of not having him is more valuable to him than having him.

Yeah, it's definitely being stop the run in.

The point, he's a better player than the guys that aren't stopping the run right now, I mean a better player than.

He's a better player.

I mean he has a different skill set.

But yeah, I agree, it's not apples to apples, just like Corey, Kyle Dugger has a different skill set than Craig Woodson.

It's not apples to apples.

But those guys can still play, but they're just not great fits.

Yeah, I think that.

I think, you know, going you know, there's obviously the contract angle, but like going into training camp, you know, Craig Woodson's a rookie, like so, until you start to see it in practice and see him practicing in competitive settings.

To pull the plug on Kyle Dugger and say we're going to start this fourth round pick without seeing him in any competitive practices or seeing him in joint practice or anything, is like that, that's putting yourself at risk.

Once they had saw Craig Woodson play for three four weeks in training camp and saw that he could handle it, then you know, now you feel a lot more comfortable moving on from Peppers and Duggers, So I think that that contributes it as well.

Yeah, you know, it's all part of it.

To Duce's question about Woodson, like, I don't think he's an impact safety.

I don't think he's going to be a playmaking safety.

Get there.

I mean the bigger question is just like is this a guy that is there and we're building around him he's a rookie he's played every time, or is he a guy that he's there right now but we're going to continue to throw players.

I mean, Hawkins is a free agent, so they already got one decision to make it one of the safety spots.

But you know, I just it's one of those weird things where rookie comes in plays every snap on defense and you still feel kind of like, no, that's nice, but like is he a playmaker?

Is he is he at above replacement level type player?

I'm still I'm still he is.

Still just a rookie, so he could, so he could.

That's why it reminds me so much of the Rutgers boys like Carmon Logan Ryan that like are those guys sacklers?

Yeah?

Like are they great players?

Like are they number one corners or number one safety, No, but like they are serviceable NFL starters that can play a role and play a position, and you're not You're not going to be taken on water because they're out there.

You know, Harmon had all those you know, perceptions on arm punts late in games and things like that.

No respect to disrespect, but you know, at the same like that kind of player.

I think.

I think Woodson's maybe a little bit more physical Thandron Harmon was, But there are similar types of players where I think he's just going to be mentally physically sound, you know, his technique, his assignments, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know, but he's not necessarily going to, you know, be a big time player, right for you.

A couple of emails and calls, We'll get to those in a second.

Justin Wrights in.

Patriots Nation is the greatest fan base in the league, but it can also be the worst.

When things were looking rough in the Ravens game, across social media, I was seeing comments such as were one and done twenty twenty one all over again where frauds I was too.

It was ridiculous.

Calm down.

You got so used to the last few years that you lose confidence the second the team faulters just relax.

It's true.

I mean, look at NFL all these other games.

Good teams have to overcome things at times.

I mean, that's what happens.

I brought up to Paul recently.

Do you think that there's any impact that social media kind of came about while the Patriots were in their dynasty heyday and so kind of like Patriot fans on top of the world is like kind of an institution since the start of social media, and it just feels like that's where the collective fan base feels like they're rightful place is in the structure of it all, like oh, we're back, Like now we're on social media.

Now we can go trash talk everybody again.

You know, we can do all those things.

I don't know.

Did they stop trash talking?

No, I'm probably not.

Let's go to the phones.

Eight five to five pats five hundred herms in DC, what's up?

Herm herm DC ploffs Hey, hell yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't let some fool in, I mean, get you all up, you know, they just you know, that's that's what they're trying to do.

Rather get you all robbed up and get you, you know, trink out your position, but we back and we ain't going anywhere.

So just yeah, I mean, I'm off for the criticism.

And at one point there was like a legitimate I think it was a play call and I let people go and people had both sides, and I brought those comments in, but I'm not gonna post you if you just like we're frauds, you know, like go away, go away.

Yeah, yeah, and I hear you.

Two quick comments and the question.

So first comment, Obviously I was at the game, and obviously I'm watching Biggs, and I just couldn't help to think about it could have been maybe you know, Brett.

And I or uh, you know, Calvin Ridley.

And somebody else in that ager, and I just I don't know.

I was a little sick of my stomach thinking about that, because I think BIG's almost like a god said bought Drake and specifically right obviously killed the Ravens in a homecoming game.

But besides that, I was looking down towards the bench and I think we were down with eleven and fourth quarter.

All I can see is Diggs signal into his teammates like listen, chin up, we'll be fine, right, chin up, will be fine.

And when I saw that, that kind of like helped me relax and I knew that, okay, we at least gonna come back and go to overtime.

But I guess what overpoint for that was.

I mean, this is religious a godsend for Drake May.

Then the game wing drift for Drake May, it was just I mean it was like he was performing surgery, right, it was just being bang boom nine plays.

So for a young guy to be.

Able to do that and that spot is is I mean, it's not only impressive but obviously super encouraging going to.

The playoffs.

But my question is, so Matthew Stafford right, his numbers.

Yes, currently he leased the MVP race, but wouldn't his numbers more qualify for him being maybe like off the player.

Of the year could be both, but yeah, I.

Could be biased.

Oh, I could be biased, But obviously I think.

Jake mincheld be leading MVP race for the effect that I mean, he's done more with less team.

That's what I'm saying is, yeah, they won twelve games for the team that won eight games in two years.

So I mean, if he doesn't win it this year, then I don't know, I just be a little dispoint in the voters because I feel they're looking at the wrong thing, especially considering Josh Allen won it last year, which I would have ordered him about.

Well, Lamar had better numbers, but they figured Josh did more with less and the same reasoning should come into play this year.

Could Yeah, yeah, all right, thanks her.

I think I think the MVP is going to be really interesting because the voting list is interesting.

But the voting list is.

A lot of people that are, you know, on my side of the isle in terms of how they approach the job.

You know, it's a lot of the men A times is and those types of people that are you know, into the analytics and into you know, film watching and things like that.

And right now, Matthew Stafford has the traditional stats.

He has more touchdown passes, he has fewer interceptions, he has more passing yards.

Drake has him in completion percentage, but Stafford has a higher passer rating than Drake.

May if you watch the game, May plays if you just watch you know the stats, but May no.

If you watch the game, Evans.

Evan's right, no, but I mean watching the game, it's going to be very similar to me as last year.

If you watch the game, Lamar Jackson was the MVP last year, but you gave Josh Allen more credit because he was doing with less.

They don't have Pookin Nakula, they don't even have DeVante Adams.

They certainly don't have a two man backfield with with the best running game, and that an incredible offensives them, right, But that's what it's going to come down to.

And you know, QBR takes what takes into consideration all the running that Drake May has done.

That's what I was gonna like, Drake May hasn't beaten all the advanced analytics, So I'm interested to see, you know, is it going to be the that's gonna be mean?

Is it going to be the.

People that prioritize things like passing touchdowns and yards and that sort of stuff, or is it going to be the QBR, the EPA per drop back and you know that sort of crowd of it because those things, you know, EPA and QBR take into account that Drake May is going to run for over four hundred yards.

Matthew Stafford doesn't run, you know, so like these are all elements of it that I think you know are.

In Drake May's favor.

So if you want to make the case for Drake May, you have to kind of do it with the analytics.

And if you want to make the case for Matthew Stafford, you say, well, he's you know, got what is it?

I think it's like thirty five touchdown passes now or something like that, and in the forties, you know, or forty Yeah, I think it's forty.

I think it's like forty to five.

It's touchdown interception.

Great if they did it by who is most valuable for the team.

And I think you can make an argument either way on that, because there ain't no way that Rams offense is looking like that with somebody else plan.

No, h doesn't look like that when Garoppolo plays.

Yeah, forty touchdowns, five interceptions.

But I think that that a very good argument can be made for Drake May.

And this Evan just made it a lot with numbers.

I would just make it with just this year talent that that he's dealing with.

I don't think it's fair to say that it's a team with he wins the previous few years that that team's gone, they Mike Rabel and Elliott Wolf deserve all the credit for completely overturning the roster.

It's like a fifty turnover.

So I think it's going to be an interesting, interesting race.

To me, it's been a two man race all along.

I you know, I think the world of Josh Allen.

I don't think that he's in this race.

I don't think it's even close.

These two guys have separated themselves.

I think you could go either way.

I don't think it's the wrong choice if they go with Stafford, he's been that good.

But I can absolutely make a case with Drake May.

Nate and Connecticut.

What's up, Nate, I just had a.

Couple of thumps on these next finals games, we can I think we should at least bench some of our starters.

I feel like we should uh have them healthy, uh for the playoffs, considering all the injuries that we have, and considering that during the game on Sunday night, I saw Drake may come off the field with a bit of a limp.

Thankfully it wasn't anything too serious.

But I just want to keep in mind that, you know, we don't want any more injuries than we already have because they're piling up a lot, and I really think that the full healthy team that we have a good potential to make it really far into the playoff.

Yeah, so I hear what you're saying.

You know, Patriots are you know, playoff guaranteed.

They still want to get the AFC East.

But what's more important getting that you know, home playoff game at some point?

Or you know the Patriots are road warriors this year?

Is that more important than being healthy?

I think you could make the case that they could probably beat the Jets and the Dolphins down a few guys, And if you want to take that route, then that you could definitely make that case.

You know if I think it becomes more interesting if they clinch it this week, if the Eagles beat the Bills, and then Week eighteen is pretty much meaningless against Quinn Yewers.

And the Dolphins.

What what if Broncos lose this week?

Well, they're playing the Chiefs and they're not going to lose.

Big.

But do you and I'm not talking about you can't bench everybody, right, that's another common mis like you can't some people have to play.

You got a bunch of injuries too, Like you have much of a choice.

But like if you take out you know, if you rest splain for the rest of the regular season, if you rest some of the guys that got banged up, you know on Sunday night for the rest of the season.

Yeah, can you beat Brady Cooking Quinn yours with like seven inactives that are all yes, injured.

All relevant players.

Yes, I agreeably.

I agree with you one thousand percent.

I always answer this question the same way.

It's a case by case basis.

You tell me what the player is.

I'll tell you if I think that there's a chance that you should, you should do it.

You know, will Campbell coming off IR, he can come off IR for.

The Miami game.

I probably wouldn't do it.

I'd probably wait.

I'd play him, you know, just to make sure he's healthy for the playoffs.

Milton Williams this week if if this is if he at all, and again I'm going I'm operating under the it's a fifth you know, you can play, you know, like Mogan Moses clearly wasn't one hundred percent.

I think if they had the druthers, he would have sat the rest of that game, but he had to.

Be out there.

I don't want to play Will Campbell and Milton Williams under those circums is Robert Splaine.

But if other guy, if a guy is healthy enough to play, then I that I want to play them, you know, like.

In this particular case we talked about locker room earlier.

In this particular team, if you're Mike Rabel and you're reading the room and Robert Splaine is wants to play, and Milton Williams wants to play, do you have to kind of play him?

You know, that's the way everybody wants to contribute.

Stefan Diggs is sneaking out the back of the blue tent because he wants to get that in the medical.

The only reason why I might err on the side of playing Campbell's because I don't want Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson coming off the left side and he hasn't taken a rep in five weeks like that, that's I think, you know, there's a rust factor there that there is that I would be concerned about.

So if he if he's one hundred percent healthy to play against the Dolphins in Week eighteen.

It's a different argument.

If he's one hundred percent healthy, Okay, I want him to play.

If he's as close to one hundred percent healthy as he's going to be.

But I'm talking about it.

It's iffy, and you want to get him back just to get him sup work.

I would sit him, yeah, but if it's if it's you know, yeah, sure, I would just worry about him going into the playoffs cold.

But he hasn't taken a live game a month.

Definitely a fair play.

Riley's in Phoenix, Riley.

Are we doing fellows?

Okay?

Hey, So two quick things here.

One, I hope that this win has silenced some of the critics a little bit.

May not being able to come back in the fourth quarter against one of the best defenses as of late in the season.

Not that that was a huge for me, but I know.

That it was for a lot of people unsure you know, he was capable of that, and I think he clearly went out and showed that he is and the kind of player that he's going to be for the future.

And then the second thing here is just going to beat the dead horse a little bit with that non p I call.

This is just getting absolutely out of hand.

The last couple of seasons, the officiating has been absolutely astrocious and it's honestly unfortunate for US fans because it ruins the viewing experience and a lot of these games.

I hear you.

It's just it's awful.

You want to call the bs P I on booty for barely flapping the guy's hands down, But then you're not going to call the blatantly obvious PI that my You know, a blind person could see.

I mean, come on, what are we doing?

Yep?

But anyways, I'll take it off the air aby all.

It is guys, Thanks Riley.

No, I hear what you're saying.

That was ridiculous.

That was he turned them, he tugged him, and then he tackled his leg No, he tackled his legs.

That's the inaffairness and everything else.

I was fine with down the field, I was he literally tackled the player.

How does someone not see that?

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I'm gonna do a wellness check on Reese.

He smiling.

Okay, you going smile.

Yeah, he.

Has twenty one problem with Za's.

Well, then he won't be here for a little while.

Okay, how are you doing.

I'm great.

Milton Williams being eligible to kill off.

I r have any decision that made your card.

I think he'll practice.

I think we'll start his window, see how he responds through the week of practice, and uh, you know, go from there.

I know he worked extremely hard.

Off with the strength and conditioning staff, with the with the training staff, and involved in meetings.

So that's really hard to do, is.

To be engaged in meetings when you know you're not going to play and have some time and so appreciate what he's done here and and his leadership and his willingness to try to get back.

Speaking of what was just how was the team holding up some place.

That's part of it.

You know.

I think that.

We'll figure out where things are later in the week, and everybody's been getting treatment.

We got back late, so today will be a good opportunity just to you know, see a little bit of you know activity.

I'll walk through albeit, but get guys up moving around.

A couple of guys in the protocol, and again that that's I would say that those are the guys that you're most conscious of from just a you know, mental well being and not not getting frustrated by how they feel.

Tell everybody to do the same thing.

Just be honest with how you're feeling.

Talk to the doctors, talk to the trainer.

You know, we do evaluation every day, we do a symptoms score.

So I think those are the ones that you want to just try to focus on.

The guys that have an ankle or whatever it might be that need it, you know, they're going to be okay.

Sometimes it any of these things that relates to concussions can react differently and there's no pre described, pre described amount of time that they're going to be out.

Uh well, Trayvion's in it, and Booty's in it, and Jared Wilson.

Is in protocol does this time of year, Mike with succession spat as the team how badly you guys want to get the lineup, continue to do what they're doing the Morgan the sideline the other day, wheneverything you could possibly get back in there.

I mean, it's it's all of these guys have ever known, you know, since the time that they started playing football, they wanted to be out there, and they go to college and they want to be out there, and then they go to the NFL and they want to be out there.

That's you only get one opportunity a week.

It means a lot to them.

Love for guys to find ways in as opposed to looking for ways out.

But then sometimes that's not always the case.

They can't go in there.

So we appreciate every everyone that you know, makes an effort to finish the game or get to the game and whatever that may be, and whatever capacity that they can help us.

So I think that's just what they that's all they know.

Right.

You up play I significant VOLUMEO snaps with your base personnel, like the last two weeks, all that's challenge your defense, like how do you seek.

Sorry, that friv play base defense.

Yeah, I just think that's predicated on some of the things that they're doing offensively and the personnel groupings that they are in.

And we'll have to, you know, continue to do that versus the Jets and stop the run and try to find ways to get off the field on third down.

Like they just announced the Pro Bowl rosters.

If you guys are twelve and three and only have two Pro Bowlers, just curious or reaction?

Does that irk you at all?

Or they got that?

No, it does not at all?

What I guess, what does that say about maybe the season?

You guys are happy?

Says that we're twelve and three and that we have two guys that the coaches and the fans and the players felt worthy enough to make the first ballot.

We've got some alternates.

I wouldn't imagine that that would be I'm sure guys are are disappointed.

There's five, however, many five palm returners that had two touchdowns.

I mean, that's I don't know how many years that's happened, But that and all right there.

But you know, I think Marcus is at a healthy year and I think he's a pro barn.

I'm glad he's our returner and glad he's helped us out.

But sometimes that just doesn't happen.

And we're focused on wins.

We said that last week.

The players they make fun of me, but you know, we're chasing wins and not plays, and if we make enough plays that are winning, that'll be enough.

That'll that'll be all we need.

And so, you know, don't really have much else to add on approval right now that you guys have pinched a playoff, what's your message for this week?

Yeah, there's well, just unfinished business.

I can't focus on the next two weeks.

We've got to focus on this week and going on the road to a great environment, going to New York City playing the Jets, and unfinished business.

We want to be undefeated on the road.

I think that that's that's something that's unique.

I'm sure you guys will tell me how many times it's happened before, but there you go.

So that's something that I think is special.

Still still want to play for the division.

We want to win the division.

I haven't done in a long time.

And whoever we put out there and whoever we you know, play with, is going to have to have that in mind and then be prepared to do that, you know, against the team that's you know, playing playing some young guys.

They've got some good veterans.

They're playing well on third down.

Defensively, I think they have a really really good offensive line.

I think they they move people.

I like the way they play.

I like their play demeanor.

Two really good, young, talented tackles.

You know, guards try to finish you.

And so again they got speed Breis Hall.

You know, it can make you miss.

Mitchell's getting more comfortable in the offense and all that.

So you know, we just there's some unfinished business and we're not The season isn't over.

This wasn't our goal, and I'm excited that we won.

But we've we've moved on.

What's allowed?

What have you observed?

It allowed?

Alum flourish a receivers dirty against Mocker, that's the last.

Es and he works hard.

I think he's got a good catch radius.

I think I think he's improved.

I think that to his credit.

I think Todd has done a nice job with his skill set and you know, trying to play big and play through contact.

And I think he's fearless.

I think some of his best catches are you know some of those in cuts where I mean he's extending his body and he's he's trusting you know that Drake's looked out in front of him and puts it up there where nobody else can get it.

And yeah, that can't be an easy, you know task to go in there and you know, go up nine or ten feet and catch an in cut and hope that you're not going to get nailed on the other side of it.

Mike from completely disinterested up to highly interested.

What's your level when it comes to watching the results around the league and that you're in the playoffs round and figure out where you're seating.

Whatever else would be I would say somewhat slightly disinterested, I would have thought a route.

I just think Ben applies everything that we want in building this program, and you know, cares deeply about the team, plays multiple positions, is a great teammate, plays with effort and finish, and you know, tries to work and can prove and you know it's find a role for him self here and well excited to have him.

It might reasons Elijah Pond who developed invalidated your faith from under roster out.

Of camp mm hmmm.

Just comfort, you know, it's it's got all the talent in the world, and just understanding this league, understanding the the urgency of it and how quickly things happen, and special teams and transition into third down and helping us or being a role player off first and second down, and.

You know, trying for me not to take those things for granted.

That a young player that played at a smaller school in California could come.

Across the country.

And so I think that that's just credit to him.

And credit to Jeremy and and Smitty, you know, for continuing to help him improve and then ultimately himself, you know, going out there and getting cover comfortable, dropped him in some coverage.

Sometimes we've rushed him.

He plays on special teams.

There's a lot of things that he's done for us.

Mike, I'm curious the gig punt return.

When you watch that battle, can you just explain a little bit.

About it, not the fake punt return.

I wish we were returning it there, you know, something that we had practiced, something that I felt confident in.

It wouldn't have called it if if we didn't feel confident in it.

Unfortunately it didn't work.

So it was a bad call by me, and uh, you know, just told Tay to to throw it, you know what I mean, give it a chance, Give give jack a chance.

If the guy dropped out of there, he dropped out of there, but try to give it a chance.

It certainly wasn't designed to you know, to run, and he just felt like it wasn't there and he made a decision.

So I made a decision to try to play.

I'll make other calls and be good ones and they'll be you know, bad ones as well.

So just felt like we needed something there and it didn't go our way.

Credit to the guys kept playing and found a way to win the game.

So, uh, when you.

Preferring like a week for the appointment starting quarterback and then during the game like the backup has to take them over, right, how did you quickly how do you quickly like recolguate your defense.

Well, most of the time it's the same scheme and they're replacing you know, Lamar Jackson with Huntley.

You know, so really some of those things did it really changed, didn't didn't have to change.

They were kind of staying and doing things that they had normally done.

So if it was a drastic change, there would be things that we would have to do on the fly.

But you know, most of our attention on the fly was about getting other guys in other positions and getting Anthony Jennings there, getting you know, you know, Kyle Williams and Mac to play three different positions.

I appreciate them.

I'm going to tell them that here in a few minutes of the team meeting, and that's that's not easy to do.

I mean, when you have three receiver that plays three different positions and you hear the formations and you hear the personnel groups, uh that that's a tall order.

And so credit to Kyle for being a young player.

Credit Mac uh for doing that throughout the game.

You know, when guys went down, no different than they are going in there, no different than Anthony, and I appreciate that.

And Ben Brown goes in at the jumbo tight end when Thayer goes to tackle, and things happened so quickly that Kyle didn't even realize that Thayer was no longer the tight end.

He thought he had become the tackle.

So Kyle backs up off the ball and he's like, when did this happen.

We're like the last play and it's like, this is not your fault, Kyle, this is my faull for somehow understanding that Ben Now went in and reported and Thayer was not reporting that he was the tackle.

So that's how quickly the things happen.

And uh, you know, give give all the credit to the players and the assistant coaches for for having them ready and being able to help us win.

Thanks guys, thankfully, and now great moments in history.

Andrew used to go to the same gym as Andy Hart right on run over here, so we'd see him every morning before work.

So he said, one day at the gym, there's this guy and there was a boxing one of those big boxing bags and the guy was like hitting it really hard and grutting and whatever and like making a big scene.

And he was like six point thirty in the morning, like what is this guy doing?

So he was about to go to Andy and be like check out this guy.

And then all of a sudden, Andy, as soon as the guy was done, Andy went over and he started doing the same bag to the bag and Andrew.

Andrew was like, he was like, I was literally like seconds away from being a Hey, check.

Out this guy.

So that's part of Andy's routine that he never really told us about the heavy bag.

We didn't know that that was something he uses, the heavy bag.

And Andrew was about to make fun of the other guy.

So he must have to stand really close with those short eyes.

Yeah, that's another great moment from all right back here and Patriots unfiltered.

Paula's left us.

He's cheating on us.

He's going over to one of his shows to uh to you know, do three hours over there.

It's on the flag of his shows.

This is the he's doing the whole thing.

I think, Wow, final bosses of his shows.

That is something.

Well he's gone, but we're still here.

Uh and spiing Fresno's here eight five to five past five hundred, he said.

Paul got real riled up late in the postgame show.

I share Paul's disagreement with those who think it's all gravy from here no matter how the season plays out.

That's total meou thinking and takes the opportunity at hand.

For granted, if your team makes the playoffs, you should expect them to play like a playoff team.

But we shouldn't reset expectations and move goldposts to a degree that overshadows reality.

There is no way any reasonable person will be looking back on this Patriots season is unsuccessful.

It may have a disappointing ending, but enough foundational expectations have already been met or exceeded for the season to register as a success.

The gravy train riders are taking this playoff opportunity for granted, but the goldpost movers are taking for granted what's already happened to make the opportunity possible.

It was waxing poetic there.

Yeah, it was very good speed.

I think the only thing that could change my mind as if Buffalo twenty twenty one happens again and they get destroyed in the first you know, their first playoff game.

But besides that, you know that that did the way that season ended.

You know they're going down the stretch, you know, one and three I think it was, which is and then getting beat by like forty by Buffalo.

That did change your perception of that team.

And that should have been the same argument, right like you drafted a quarterback in the first round, you made the playoffs, you won ten games.

It's the same sort of thing.

But you knew that that team was potentially that might have been the team was really the you know, the team that played in Buffalo that night and not what we saw cleaning up against a Titans team that had thirty guys out with COVID and you know, stuff like that.

Kind of why this Ravens game meant so much to me because if that was, you know, losing to Buffalo and then it seemed like, all right, well, if you'd beat Miami and the Jets always really gonna care, but like to win in that fashion.

And now I think Evan's totally right, you don't want to go out like that.

They have big difference too, is though Drake Mays and the MVP conversation too.

So I think even at the height of the twenty one season, which was you know, comparison, I was going to make to the locker rooms because this is a great locker room.

But even the twenty nineteen team with Brady here, like everybody seemed miserable and stressed and it was like tension.

This seems loose.

But when the twenty one team was on their win streak, I think it was it was pretty good too.

It's just it's hard to take out.

Why is everybody happy because they're winning or because they all really like each other and it's hard to really you know.

No, Yep, Travis and West Virginia, says Fred.

I think you should cancel tomorrow's show and give everyone the afternoon off.

Everyone could submit their picks electronically.

Well, we do, Christmas Eve, we do?

We got What about New Year's Day asking for a friend?

Oh, we'll see, we'll see.

Also, let Evan know that Baltimore is not diggs hometown.

The part of Maryland he's from is associated more with Washington, d c In not so much Baltimore.

Okay, well, he told us after the game that he this is a homecoming for him.

So I'm gonna go by what he said.

Yeah, that's the man himself.

Okay, Yeah, he's from like some small town outside of in Maryland somewhere.

He went to the University of Maryland.

So uh, let's go back to the phones.

Manny's in New Bedford.

Hey, Manny, what's going on?

Guys?

Two things one not I still I still don't understand how Marcus Jones didn't make the Pro Bowl.

But again that that's that's another story.

But I wanted to.

This question is mainly for Evan because I know he really just breaks down the game that like and we elite level.

Thanks.

I'm starting to really get concern about this Gonzo situation.

I feel like you're playing him a lot in the zone coverage and he's playing like off off man.

I'm just curious, like, why is that.

You know, he's been struggling there every play he looks like he's getting burnt.

They Fly was completely cooked him like majority of the game, and this is like I would say, he's like a second third game.

Do you feel like he's getting frustrated the way they're playing him?

Do you think that that's gonna be a conversation when they go extend him, maybe he goes elsewhere to a better system where they play him in man, more curious to what you think about that event.

I'll take the stop of their Thanks guys.

Okay, Yeah, it's it's something that I've written about a couple of times now to a couple of weeks in a row.

It's just you know what it looks like.

And I know he's just named to the Pro Bowl today and we're talking about how he's not, you know, playing as well, but you know what it looks like when he's playing well, because last year he was just excellent for the entire years, you know, all pro player.

I don't know if it's scheme related.

I don't know if it's the hamstring.

You know, I've made this comparison before, but you know, as a hockey guy, like reminds me so much of Jeremy's wa last year, who sat out all of training camp and then came back for the season and he just couldn't get the train rolling.

You know, he just was not had a horrible year, and you know, I think that that's could be possible as well.

Like he did no training camp, went right into it, you know, sat at the beginning of the season and it just was one of those years where it just wasn't you know, able to get up to standard completely in this game.

And look, I I'm not one of those people that thinks the corners need to be linebackers, but in this game that the Ravens ran at him all night and they made him tackle, they made him take on blocks, and he didn't do it very well.

Just being honest, Like, you know, the Derrick Henry explosive runs were mostly off tackle to Gonzo's side, you know, the first touchdown, he's the last line of defense.

He's the only guy that can make a play get steamrolled by the guard and doesn't make a play.

You know, again, I'm not expecting him to be you know, Dante high tower in the hole and take on a guard.

But at that point, you you got to hold him up.

You got to do something to try to get you know, hats to the football.

Uh.

It might just be a scheme thing, like maybe they're just the way that they use corners in this system, is is not a great fit for him.

I don't know, but it's hard for me to imagine that a player of his caliber that you can't find a way to make him play well.

Like that That tells usually that's like players over scheme and like you've you have a guy that's that good, like figure it out right, you know, maybe you need to.

Beat down by eleven in the fourth and then he switches it on.

But he certainly he turned it on last game.

Let's see if we can continue that.

I just think, like I get what he's saying, and you know, the eighteen yard or like it was a broken play and it was a scrambled drill.

Yeah, like that one.

I don't really h you know, hold against him too much because you're covering for five six seconds, Like you're not going to be able to do that.

But the third down one in the slot, like he just sits inside of him and Flowers just cuts out and it's the first down.

And you know those are players that you're used to, Gonzo being a lot more competitive in.

George writes in, I don't know if you guys pay attention to bleacher Report, grid Iron.

I'm sure Evan does they have a reel of a Patriots fan waving goodbye from the game.

Well, I'm that Patriots fan.

So now you can put a face to the name of this diehard Pats fan.

When I email in, I love the show, been around since your paper copy, you.

Sent a picture of his face.

No, you have to go to bleacher Report, grid I guess to see the Patriots fan waving goodbye.

Let's see more more sympathy for Marcus Jones getting snubbed.

We explained that, Yeah, we kind of explained it.

Yeah, Okay, Anthony cannot believe this was our first comeback of double digits since the Falcon Super Bowls.

That it is.

Wow.

That means at any point in the last nine years, if we went down by double digits we didn't win.

It seems incomprehensible.

It seems pretty comprehensible to me.

You haven't watched those offenses, you know, Like, but that's the feeling you had, and I mean it was ingrained into by the time you got to this season, Like, you know, it's probably why when they went down by eleven in the second half in this game that I was kind of like, well, that's it.

You know, you just you forget about the fact that Drake may can make seven throws and you're in the end zone and just like that, you know, in four minutes drive.

So that's been the X factor.

But yeah, man, they were they've been bad.

I mean, it's you felt like, unless they got real help from the other team the last few years, it was it wasn't gonna go their way.

Anthony wants to know can we clunch the division this week with a win or does Buffalo have to lose.

No, Buffalo has to lose and they play at four to twenty five against the Eagles, so we won't know if we have the division until after that game.

If we win, Yeah, sets up for pretty fun trip home, though potentially it was some scoreboard watching going on.

It's a short flight, so, you know, and I do wonder, you know, if there'll be any celebratory things going on if we find out that somebody shouts say they lost.

Jordan writes in let's all remember that the number one seed is still in play.

According to the Athletic Playoff predicted, the Patriots have a thirty eight percent chance and the Broncos are at forty six percent.

So I think it's full steam ahead.

That one seed is critical in my mind, and the Broncos could easily lose Week eighteen to the Chargers, who would have been playing well in our division opponent.

I'm curious if you guys see it differently, given how good the Patriots have been on the road this year, and if being road warriors is actually more of an advantage.

No, I want that buy more than anything.

I mean, the division title has to come with it, but I think just for help, Yeah, well that's the thing, and that's why I mean, I think there's an argument to be made that we talked earlier about sitting guys that last week that you know, you might enter that game not knowing, and if you went in and sat a bunch of guys and then Denver lost and you somehow lost with some backups Josh Jobs maybe throwing, you'd be sick to your stomach because you could have gotten yourself a week off.

So it's it's such a tough thing to balance because on one hand, you're like, well, they might have to push my guys a little bit this week to get them an extra week's rest.

Or do you just say I'm going to give you an extra week's rest, but you're probably gonna have to jump right in next week?

Oh interesting, as long as you put Drake May under center against Miami and the Jets, you're gonna win a So like if you like, like if Robert Splaine has to sit out again, or if you know, I don't know whatever, you know, Will Campbell's not quite ready and you know whatever, these Treyvon Henderson's still in the protocol, Like you can sit all those guys like these.

That's the one real benefit I think the Patriots have with this end of the schedule here being against two teams that the Jets, especially the Dolphins, I think might just be organizationally in a turmoil.

But the Jets I think or might be tanking, you know, like I think that you're actively trying to lose, So I just I wouldn't worry too much about it.

You know.

I think the Patriots will take care of their own business, but they're gonna need some help.

Again.

I forgot about Drake's I think.

Yeah, oh yeah, Like this is like, I know, everybody's gonna have flashbacks to like twenty fifteen and Stephen Jackson and that that Miami game and all that.

But this is not.

This is not that Curtis and Saint Louis.

First off to the mouth breather in La do us all a favor?

Shut up?

No one cares about your self proclaimed wealth.

Your takes are trash, and I'd be willing to bet my last dollar my unborn nephew has more football knowledge than you.

How about you go smell your farts in your backyard.

I hear the Chargers can use some more fans.

Wow, that's that's pretty harsh.

Listener on Listener Crime, two quick questions out of the free agent sign this year, whose contributions have been most impressive in your opinion?

I have to go with Mac Hollins.

Well, I don't know, but what was the question, sorry, most impressive free agent in your contributions, most impressive.

I mean Milton Williams are but he's been heard, I suppose.

I mean, Hollins does a lot of the little things.

Josh McDaniels called him a chess piece.

Yeah, so you know, I can understand, like what Curtis is saying.

This might be a lot of things unnoticed that he's doing to contribute that you know, don't really register walking.

But I also just think that, you know, he's got a really good uh playstrength, catch radius, and like it's not I'm sure it's really comforting for a quarterback like like Drake May.

You don't necessarily need to be pinpoint accurate when you throw the ball to Matt Collins because he's six foot five and he's got a huge catch radius.

So every time I look at Drake May throw to Mac Collins, there's just like an ease and confidence to it because he knows that he's going to go up and get it over the middle, or he's gonna, you know, catch a pass on the sideline or whatever the case may be.

And there's I mean they're just like they just take those outs, like those quick game outs, like he's just like five yards seven yards at time.

What about Chase On He's been good too.

Yeah, he's been good.

He's been good.

He makes some big plays he does.

You know, he doesn't make a lot of them, but he you know, he he shows up.

I mean they they hit on pretty much everybody that they signed.

I mean, it's it's pretty impressive.

And you know, now I think mentioned Ben Brown too.

You know, they're they're staying ahead of the curve.

Marcus Jones in season extension, Ben Brown rat very important depth there.

So yeah, Bradberry was I mean, just one another one.

I mean, they don't really think of centers, but we haven't had to worry about the position.

Yeah, and he was somebody that a lot of people were really low on because of all the PFF grades and all that stuff from last year.

And he's been really really good.

And I think maybe you know something I was thinking about too.

I mean, they played this game with a lot of backups.

You know, nine guys got hurt in the game.

Campbell's and Milton Williams are still out, Splain is still out.

We might have underestimated the depth on this roster.

Like, I don't know if the depth on this team is quite as bad as we all thought it was in August, because if Darien Lowe, it wasn't a great game for him, but they still won with him playing at left tackle.

You know, guys are going in and out of the game.

You know, they're getting contributions from they Er Munford and you know, Corey Durden and Jack Gibbons and you know, all these guys that everyone said in August were going to be liabilities if they had to play, and they're still winning football games without these you know, these players out.

In Rabel's post game speech in the locker room, it's kind of a stream of consciousness thing.

But one of the things that he slipped in there is, you know, guys are stepping in and finding out what they can do.

And I think those are the that's who he's talking about.

Yeah, those guys, those depth pieces that we didn't think were that great.

They are coming in and they're finding out, oh, I can do this, I can do that, like you know, I can play in this league.

And of course the coaches are finding that out too.

On top of these guys and the coaches deserve a ton of credit for it as well, you know, not only development behind the scenes, but let's give you know, some love to the assistant coaches that are keeping Vederian load you know, fresh, and working him and keeping him involved.

And then he has to step in for Campbell and it's not been you know, always great, but it hasn't been a disaster by any means either with him out there.

You know, they've done a great job.

All these guys are prepared.

They all come in with you know, awareness of the plan and the opponent and what they're going up against.

And that's coaching.

Second question, with all the talk of who you would or wouldn't want to play in the playoffs, which NFC team would be fun to see if and when the Patriots make the Super Bowl?

Fun?

What do you mean by fun?

I think I said it before the Bears.

Yeah, Bears Patriots a throwback game, Yep, it'd be fun a couple of forty years from forty years for from nineteen eighty five.

Yeah, I mean there's I don't know, there's intriguing matchups across the board.

I mean, they played two Super Bowls already against the Rams, they played one against the Seahawks.

You know, there's a I mean, it feels like Philly San Francisco playing at home at their own state and the Super Bowl that might like to avoid that one.

But there's a lot of intrigue.

I just when you stack up the AFC, especially after last weekend, it's just why not us?

Why not the Patriots?

They got it.

You know, they're gonna have to get hot a little bit and they're gonna have to get some guys back.

But you know, nobody in the AFC do I look at and be like, well, thank you know, any of those teams can can be beat if they if Drake really plays well enough.

I just got to get this defense in order.

Yeah, if we're gonna start talking about that, I mean, I think the offense is, you know, good, good enough to go on and run.

But defensively, you know, last week it was the inside runs.

This week it was the outside runs.

Like, doesn't seem to really matter.

Wherever teams kind of strength is running the football, they can kind of run it there if they want to.

You know, I thought the past defense had its moments, but it also had some not so good moments.

But you know, run game wise, like you know, Derrick Henry just killed them off tackle again.

The numbers were not good, and they tried to play more base defense against Baltimore, and they were giving up five and a half yards of carry in base defense, which is the opposite of what you're trying to do when you play that many big people on the field.

So, uh, they they got to get healthy on defense.

They got to get back to controlling the line of scrimmage.

You know, they're not gonna They're not gonna go to the super Bowl if they don't control the line of scrimmage.

Eldred's in North Carolina.

What's up?

Eldred?

Hey?

Aldred?

Hey, Hey, Hey, tells how you're doing.

Marry Christmas.

I'm sorry.

I'm at the duck and the guys you on the top.

But oh okay, well you need to go or what tell me?

Got a podcast?

No, no, no, I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good, and I agree and disagree.

O one.

You got to shoot for the number one seed.

I don't care.

You got that, you know, because you got a chance that where La looked to get Dallas Denver might be seen.

Nicks won the fall, you know, and you got Jets and Dolphins go ahead, and Evan, give you your flowers.

Bro finally saw it ain't in him all the way down, but I'm still there, but I still live.

We got the quarterback, you know.

What I mean, because he did show their toughness and they clutch and the last drive the only part of the game I had to see because I had to work that day and I would jump it.

But other than that, you know, I'm happy, but we have to fight for that dumb one sees you did in the morning and she looking for me.

Okay, I gotta go.

All right.

Yeah, I can just see Eldred making this call with a doctor in front of him, saying, cough, hold.

On, I gotta talk to these guys.

This is important.

Yeah, pants down as uh Patty's and agawam, what's up?

Patty up?

Guys?

Uh, Freddie, Mickey, Merry Christmas.

Evan.

I hope your honika was great, buddy, Thank you.

I just had a wanted to say one thing and then end with a question.

If if the Broncos, which they probably will win this week, if they win and we win, I would like to see them try and schedule both, you know, the Chargers Broncos game and the past Dolphins game on Saturday, so we kind of know, you know, I'm guessing if they do.

If they do that, the Broncos Chargers game would be the primetime game.

But I want to I apologize I wasn't able to hear the beginning of the show.

I just wanted to ask you guys about Ramadre Stevenson.

I think on Saturday, I'm sorry, Sunday night, he looked as good as he's looked at maybe since like Game one of last year.

And you know, I think going forward, I think he's going to be important, obviously just in past protection.

But if he's healthy and you know, whenever Traveon Henderson comes back, if he's able to go full strength and he looks like that, I think, I think we're going to be all right.

I think we might make a deep playoff run.

And I just want to get your guys thoughts on that.

I'll take it off there, all right, thanks.

Yeah, So they are just quickly on the scheduling thing.

If the number one seed is still up for grabs between the Patriots and the Broncos, they'll play at the same time, so they wouldn't play on Saturday, because the Saturday games are going to be staggered, so they wouldn't like give a team a OWT, like, oh, like you find out that the Patriots lost, yeah, and then like all now, all of a sudden, the Patriots are you know, we're starting Josh Dobbs, you know or whatever.

So but yeah, Remondred, I thought that the cut on the little checkdown that he caught and he turned into like a twenty twenty five yard run was really really impressive.

Obviously the touchdown run was good too, but that cut I haven't seen Remandred move latterly like that, and you know, allude a tackler like that in space in a minute, So that was good to see.

Just one question I have on the on the schedule stuff is what are the Chargers got to play for in that last week?

Is that the division?

Right?

So the division could will be could be if the Chargers.

Win in Week seventeen, they're one game behind the Broncos and if they beat the Broncos in that game, they win the division.

Ok.

Yeah, so that game could be for the division, which could also impact things that could be that then become the Sunday night game.

So like there's a lot of moving parts there, but for the most part, they try to align those teams so that you can't sit guys.

I don't want people to know ahead of time, you know, if they.

Give another team in advantage, right, knowing we don't have to play, right, Yeah, Sean's and Vancouver.

What's up, Sean, Mike, I really want to thank you for doing the nineteen eighty five Patriots podcast as a special team for Actually yeah, well, I actually attended the AFC Championship game in Miami.

That was the first NFL game I ever went to.

Wow.

Yeah, it was amazing.

Now, Paul mentioned earlier a lot of the rookies who who stand it stood out this season one player, and I can understand why you wouldn't mention there's so many contributions.

Is Julian Ashby.

And I don't know enough about long snap or play, but I haven't heard his name mentioned to me, So to me, that meets me the success, so that that could be added to the list.

Yeah.

In terms yeah, in terms of the number one feet, I'm pretty sure the Patriots are going to win the next two game.

Sorry, Fred, I think those could be your guarantees as well.

Again, but I think it's up to the Chargers in the in the last game, so I'll leave it at that.

Great season than all.

Right, thanks Sean.

Yeah, we're coming down to the wire.

This is great.

We are this is good.

It's nice to like not be like just waiting for the season and it nice to be still last week this is the last lot.

You know, you just start checking boxes and now it's like, yeah, you know, the next two weeks kind of a grind, but like playoffs and like let's just go.

I mean, I tell you that is you bring that up.

But like, you know, during the Dynasty, you got so used to being in the conversation throughout the playoffs and like when you're not, like it's an empty feeling.

It's an empty feeling like we used to be that.

Yeah.

Well, I was even thinking about like going to the combine, you know, like going to.

The watching college Yeah.

I was already talking about Drake May and the draft and Campbell.

And watching Abdul Carter for Penn statement.

Yeah oh yeah, the college football playoff was more interesting than the end of the Patriots.

Yeah.

Yeah, let's go to Danny and Daytona.

Hey, Danny, he can you guys hear me.

Yeah, I was a good friend Evan and Duce.

So to answer your point earlier, Fred, all right, I'll admit this.

At least I'm an honest person.

I'm gonna come out and say I wasn't one of those people that commented are trolled out there saying that, oh, the Patriots are gonna collapse.

The only thing I was worried.

And this is a true and this is at least an honest assessment.

I the way the Patriots played.

I had most of the game.

Like I think Duke came out and said it earlier in the show.

They came out slow and sluggish.

It looked terrible, and.

I was like, oh my, I started like not panicking, but I'm like, this is terrible, Like this is not how you respond to a Buffalo game where you came pretty close but you fell short.

So I felt like we were falling off a cliff at in that game.

But then you know, because Drake made some very bad decisions and I was like, wow, this is terrible.

I don't think that.

Like I said, he did come back clutch in the in the fourth quarter, which is awesome.

I was glad to see him overcome that he held himself accountable, like he said in the press conference in the Bills game.

After the Bills games, so I give I give dre his flower, Drake May his flowers, But I am not like Paul's people from like Murray from ninety eight point five.

He was wanting to crucify Drake May after the game, saying, this guy still don't forget the bad plays that he did.

So I'm not gonna be like Murray.

But uh, he did play bad, and I hope that to see he keeps improving.

And then the other thing I would say is, yeah, I didn't know that was Mike that called that player.

I thought it was Jeremy, and I was gonna call for Jeremy's job again.

I still think Germany, I still think Jeremy should be fired.

He was on the same staff with the Rams, and the Rams just fired their specialty is coordinated.

Honestly saw that.

So Jeremy was working for the last couple of years.

Jeremy was with the Patriots last year.

So I don't all right, thanks Danny, yeah, firing people.

Uh, I did not think that Drake played that bad to start this game.

I'm gonna be he made some bad mistakes.

I mean, the turnovers were isolated.

It wasn't like a string of mistakes.

Yeah, I mean, you know, so opening driving went right down the field like he threw im gonna say.

You know, like in terms of offense, they didn't start sluggishly.

Now, defense it was like night through hut button.

We've seen that before on first drives and and by the way, did you see the game last night?

Both teams first drive.

You know, so that that's a lot that happens a lot in the NFL.

Now we're the worst at it.

There's no doubt our first drive defense is not good.

But you know you think but at some point, Fred, that you'd kind of be like, now, that's just what we do.

And that's like I don't mean yeah, but I don't want to be like that.

But you have to build up that confidence because I think that we're close to that that that might just be what they are is, you know, a team that makes adjustments and on the fly, but they haven't built up that equity that you like feel like, okay, they'll level up.

But here's the thing, like, yes, it was you were in a tough spot on Sunday night, but I don't have the same feeling when this team's in a tough spot then last year or the year before because our offense was dreadful.

That's not the case this.

You know, my hope in this game was one of two things, and I wrote it, you know, that was my opening statement on the bly said, I feel like to win this game.

It's a tough matchup.

But to win this game, one of two things happens.

Either our offense has to play really well or our defense has to play really well.

I think it's unreasonable to think both sides are going to play really well.

And my thinking is that, listen, if our defense plays the way it's been playing the last few games, I have fate that our offense is going to keep up.

You know.

That's the difference.

That's the difference, and that's what I was kind of hoping for.

Well that Evan Evan said about you know, the equity of it and built up, Like, to me, what equity has been built up is that I think this team's going to be a tough out no matter how bad they play on defense.

You know, they just I think they've shown that resilience throughout the year, where yeah, They've had a lot of bad starts, but they always seem to find a way to make a push and you know, kind of pull it together and adjust to the you know, to what the other team is doing.

So it's just in that effort and finish thing, Like I just I see that all the time with this team.

So you know, I wouldn't want to play the Patriots no matter who gets healthy who doesn't, just you know, with Drake May and just the way the team plays overall.

Yeah, so their first four drives on offense and the in the game on Sunday night, interception in the red zone, touchdown, field goal, fumble in field goal territory.

Like they were moving the ball all night.

Yeah, And you don't move the ball.

Like that if the quarterback is playing bad like the second half against Buffalo he played bad.

Yeah, right, like we can say that.

But this game, I I really outside of the two turnovers, and I know that the turnovers are a big deal, but I'm telling like, this was not Like he was really really good in this game.

Yeah, really good, Riley writes.

And I called in last week and made a statement regarding May's fourth quarter comeback against the Ravens.

I stated that they are one of the top rated defenses in the league as of late, to which Paul retorted that they are not.

While I understand your role as the bad guy in your tendency to disagree with the majority of takes, facts are facts and numbers don't lie.

From Week five to sixteen of the twenty twenty five season, the Ravens defense has been elite and there has and here are some stats to back up my claim.

One allowed the fewest touchdowns in the NFL nine over an eight week span.

Two number one in red zone defense, number three in points allowed fifteen point three, number three in QB hits fifty three and tied for number five, and takeaways thirteen three.

Went from only two takeaways in the first five games to eight in the subsequent four.

In conclusion, while I respect your role, courage a closer look at the facts before dismissing the claim so quickly, I noticed that too, Paul was very dismissive of the Ravens defense even just today.

But as of late, the Ravens defense played a lot better than it did early in the season.

But it's been since like Week six.

Like, yeah, so I agree with the Emailer.

I didn't want to get into it with Paul, so I just kind of let it go.

But you know, they they started out like historically bad, yes by Baltimore standards.

Since week six on, they like flipped the switch and they'd the Emailers one hundred percent right.

You know, their their stats are their second in scoring.

Defense.

They were very very have been very very good for like two months now.

Defensively.

This is the same defense that a week ago shut out Joe Burrow for the first time in his NFL career.

Joe Burrow had never been shut out as an NFL quarterback until the Ravens defense did it to him a couple of weeks ago.

And then Drake May just went out and put fourteen on the board in the fourth quarter again that same defense.

So the Emailers one hundred percent spot on.

This Ravens defense has been much much better, right.

Paul likes to diminish the accomplishments of the home team.

It was one of the you know sometimes when Paul says something and like you have you have PI battles.

Yeah, well that one didn't want.

To get My thing is when Paul like misinterprets a point, you're trying to make and then he starts arguing against the point you weren't trying to make, and now you're like, that's not See.

The thing I've learned over by years with Paul Parrillo is that he has a lot of arguments going on.

It has a lot of takes that he's getting ready to defend down the road with strategic and that's a lot of what's going on with him.

I see right through it.

I see right through it.

Sam from Saint catherine'es call me crazy, but I'd rather rest my starters this week over next week.

The Jets stink and we should be able to beat them with our backups.

I don't want Drake or any of our important players anywhere near the MetLife turf.

I know that is true, but that is probably what I scare most about this game, is that turf.

Yeah, I know some time I hear you, well, Paul, I have a question for went, like, when was the first time after hiring Paul that you're like, this guy is special.

He likes to yell, he's ready to go on, Like, I mean, did you know when you hired him that, like because because you didn't have a radio show when you hired him right, like you you were hiring him as a writer, and you didn't realize like his true superpower was really right getting in arguments and the debating people.

Well, I also had a guy named Brian Moury.

Well, they would they would go at it.

As you know, President was said, the talk doesn't stop when the microphones were off around here, and the talk began a long time before the microphones would turned on, and he and Maury would go at it.

They would go at it, and then Maury would pick out bring out the media guide and just start banging away at facts and Paul would just get They would go at it.

And you just sit back and push the micro in and they look what I oh, yeah, what.

Are the best days in Paul's life?

Was when Brian left?

Which time the first time?

So now yeah, so I and then then Andy came in and you're like, oh boy, more fuel for the fire.

Oh yeah, and Paul, I mean like he and his brother, oh used to go at it all.

Yeah.

You know, Paul surprised me though, you know, I thought that all the nerd stuff that I say, I thought he was gonna just scold me if twenty four he's more open minded than you might think, you know, like he's willing to listen to.

Some clock management guy.

I mean he brought up I mean give Paul credit for I pointed out I thought Brendan Schooler had just an outstanding kickoff tackle on that last kickoff where they had been kicking out of bounds, they finally kicked it and I said, you know, well, why do they choose to kick it there?

And then Paul was like, well, they might be trying to get the run to get to the two minute warning to burn that clock stock, which doesn't even occurred to me.

But Paul, who is you know, very stressed to point it on clock management and those kind of things.

But but that play was great by Schooler.

I never watched the Special Teams really when I'm going back to it, but I was like, I got to watch this one play, and that, I think, to me summed up why Brendan Schooler is a Special Special Teams player, especially going back last week when they got you know, torched by a couple of times.

That I mean, just the ability full speed make a guy miss, get right around, boom tackle the guy like the thirty one don't tell Paul that.

No, I don't.

I would just even it could It doesn't even need to be like in a formal setting or on the record.

I did a good job.

I just want Paul in stretch.

I just want to watch them talk about the clock management stuff because I feel like that's like me, like talking to like Rabel or Josh or something like that.

Or am I you know you're just like this is my dream come true?

Right, I just get the two of them in a room and let the lets them, let them talk ball.

I was just going to say something I didn't even think of that.

Yeah, yeah, my god, this is magic.

Yeah, now that would be a good conversation to listen to.

I shouldn't.

I certainly wouldn't want to partake because I get a popsicle headache thinking about it.

All that.

Kyle from Pembroke to stumped the grump questions for Paul.

He's not here, so we'll try to answer him.

When was the last time the Jets swept the Patriots swept the Patriots?

I don't know, I mean, was that like ninety eight?

Close?

Little little late it happened after that two thousands?

I felt like in that little yeah figure When did the Jets first beat a Tom Brady led Patriots team?

The first time they beat a team with Tom Brady a quarterback?

Six regular season before that?

I don't know.

Oh two week sixteen thirty to seventeen about that season, ever, Paul would have got that time, he would have got it.

Yeah, oh two y like nine?

What went wrong?

Hey?

Would you hear see what happened with Metcalf?

Yeah?

Suspending two games?

Yeah?

What was?

What was?

Why did they get into?

But more so, do you know how to see how much money he lost?

Forty five million dollars?

Oh my god, Yeah, they're they're appealing, so we'll see, you know.

That's crazy.

What do I mean?

I saw him push the guy?

Do we know what like started?

Like?

Did he just guy said something and you know, nothing was thrown or anything like that, So we're he said something and he came and you know you saw he pulled him down and the guy was asking for an autograph.

Alternative video came out.

Oh so why did he do that then?

If he was just asking for I don't think he think.

Well, this guy called him by his first name and social media stinket.

He didn't like being called by his first name.

Okay, that's right.

He said that he used his full name, which was like d some something.

Yeah.

So maybe but maybe like yeah, maybe he's got a thing about that something.

Yeah, and maybe that guy knew he had the thing about that.

I don't know whatever he said he got to him.

It's Declan nobody.

I thought I thought it was Declan, but it's spelt a little funk, so it's spelled de k a y l i n.

So that's why he goes by DK because it's ok.

Yeah, great show, says Hector in Pennsylvania.

I'm not critical of the team, and we need to enjoy the success as Patriots fans.

But I do have a concern over the defense.

And this question is for Evan.

Oh sorry, guys.

Is the defensive scheme hurting Gonzo's player or is he not completely healed?

I know he was selected to the Pro Bowl, but sometimes once you've been selected, they keep selecting you even though you don't have a good season compared to the season prior.

Just concerned about it because if the defensive scheme doesn't suit him, I feel he won't be here long.

It's a fair concern.

Yeah, I can't put my finger on it either, And it's just an eye test thing, like the numbers if you want to go by, like you know, the charting numbers of like his completion percentage and the touchdowns he's actually allowed, and like it's not that bad, Like it's all pretty much in the ballpark of what it's been in other years.

But when you watch it, there's just more reps to me with him that are just non competitive than what you're used to seeing.

And a lot of it is that like off zone or offman stuff.

And I don't think he's the best zone corner, Like I think he gets a little bit lost.

At the top of the route and especially come up and tackle.

Yeah, and you know the tackling and you know these offenses nowadays, like so much of the run game now is played out in space, and they're trying to get the defensive backs in the point of attack and try to run at corners and safeties instead of running at defensive linemen and linebackers.

And you know that means that your corners have to take on blocks, they have to tackle, they have to be you know, willing and able to do those different types of things.

Well, I don't know what it is.

Well if if the hamstring is still hampering him or if it's something else.

If I was his agent, I try to leak that out there.

Yeah, yeah, sure, you know, because there's contract coming up, either with this team or some other team, and I'd want the world to know that he's not one hundred percent.

Yeah, so this will be his fifth year.

Pickup.

In the spring, I did it like a lot of deep dive on next Gen of like, you know, all the amount of zone and different coverages they're playing according to the next Gen.

But now I just I think it's important to highlight like they still play a lot of man.

Like they're still above the league average in man, but they play like thirty percent as opposed to the old Belichick twenty nineteen, which is like sixty percent man.

So it's like a complicated question to me because I think generally speaking, they want to play zone on first and second down, keep eyes on the quarterback, come up and tackle, and on third down they want to man you up and make you make you beat them.

So there still is a value to having a man corner, but it's just how valuable is it where it's you're not playing man sixty percent of the snaps now where it's that's pretty much what Stefan Gilmore twenty nineteen defensive MVP is doing.

So it's it's a tough question to answer.

And it's also I look at I've always kind of defaulted to the front seven makes your defense.

If you've got a great front seven, you'll kind of make do with what the second area is.

And the covers are kind of bare at the edge spots right now, especially long term, you know, you don't you know, you're at least you don't have to figure out what to do with Chase on So is there an argument to be made that a man heavy team like Detroit that does play that much man might say he's worth a first round pick to us, you know, and you can say.

One for two and I think Gonzo is a better player than Sauce.

There you go, Son, I don't rule those kind of conversations out that you want to readjust your resources with a defense that let's face it, they need help.

They're going to need a lot of help this safseason.

There's going to be I mean, Evan and I have already been talking about the edge class and that being a potential area to you know, bring somebody in.

So it's a great conversation to have in discussion.

But you know, at the end of the day, you've got a world class athlete at cornerback, and that to me is like kind of my default of like, these guys do not grow on trees.

He's a special mover and a lot of these games too, haven't really been matchups that.

Show you what his value is.

Now you got them like, well, we got to stick them on on flowers because you know, because Marcus Jones is banged up, and you know, so I continue to think that if we get into maybe one of these matchups like against Houston where they do have some outside receivers that like you want a man up that that maybe you'll start to say, oh, yeah, that's why we have Gonzo, because you know, I don't want to pull it up right now.

But there are games where they play a bunch of man too.

So to me, when I look at like their schematics and all that, I don't know how you feel what.

I just feel like they're all over the map, like they have no tendencies.

It's like you just, yeah, they're generally a little bit more man, but otherwise you don't really know what you're gonna get.

They're definitely, you know, one of those defenses I think on it first and second down.

I know the all the off coverage drives people nuts, but in today's day and age, you got to give up something.

You can't just expect to take away every blade of grass against these offenses.

And I think a lot of what you see with them on early downs is like, let's limit the big plays, Let's keep things in front of us, you know, let's make them march, you know, let's make them go down the field on us.

And that.

That's a fine strategy.

It's just not I know that people drive every week.

I have people out there in my reply is saying like why are they playing so much zone?

Why are they playing off the line of scrimmage?

Well, because it's first and ten from like the thirty five, and they're not gonna just cover zero at you know, every single play, so like they're trying to, you know, manage the situation and manage the game.

He's a great, great player, and I think that's where my frustrations come from with it, because I know how good he is and I know that he can be the best corner in the league.

And for whatever reason, this just hasn't been at the year where he showcased that.

And and I don't know what the answers to that, And I think a piece of me too, like I would hate to see him get traded like they they drafted a star cornerback in the first round.

Is one of the only draft picks in that time frame that they actually hit on.

He's a great player, you know, he's young, he's talented, everything.

And because it's not like a perfect fit, like they're gonna end up trading like I would hate that.

Yeah, that would be terrible.

So I just I hope that they can find a way to figure it out.

Right then you saw it, sorry, Fred, but just then you swap it out for like a tough guy who can come up and tackle and play zone on early downs.

But then you get the third down against the good teams in the playoffs, where another thing I truly believe is that you need athletes to match athletes.

You're gonna go against Jamar Chase.

You don't want to go in with a guy, Oh yeah, well he's a great zone tackler.

You know, he's police grade and zone he comes up and tackles.

You're gonna need those guys against the best team.

So let's just wait and see two how they match up against those good teams.

Jake is in Alabama.

I recently got stationed at Fort Rucker, Alabama to train to be a Blackhawk pilot, and I'm living in a little town called Enterprise.

Thank you for your service.

Good luck with that.

I just saw that Marcus Jones donated some money to the high school football program here as it's where he's from, so I'll let him know.

Paul says, hi when I see him.

I have some friends who are Bears commanders and Broncos fans, and we were talking about which team is in a better place right now.

Bears and Pats have the QB advantage.

Broncos have the better roster.

Commanders are going to have a good, good picks and their QB coming back.

Interested to hear where you would rank these teams for twenty twenty six and beyond it.

So it goes like this, it's Patriots, Bears, Broncos commanders.

That's the order.

Patriots, Bears, Broncos commanders.

Patriots number one, the best quarterback.

I'm just going to take the Patriots out of it for the purpose of these conversations.

But I mean, I just I think that Chicago is a ton of talent.

I just continue to wonder, like if it starts to go a little sid those guys are just weird.

The head coach is a little weird to me.

The quarterback's a little weird to me.

Talk about that he's a little weird.

Which is fine.

I mean, he's doing a great job getting his team to play, but like, you just wonder when things start to go a little sideways, that we're going to keep the train on the rails.

But they're really talented and Baltimore, it's just I mean, I'm sorry Denver, big fanish on, you know Peyton, and I know bo Nix is what he is.

But I still think they got a great defense.

They're always going to be playing in Denver.

Well every week.

They're a tough team.

Washington, I'm kind of like, I don't know, because now you're getting away from that free agency class of two years ago, what kind of work are they going to do this year?

Is McLaurin still going to be McLaurin, You know, Debo?

I mean, like there they got a reload I think so I put them at the bottom.

Logan from Myrtle Beach writes in complaining about the non pass interference call, but his email just kind of reminded me of something.

Would Booty have hit his head that hard on the ground had he not been pulled down?

Because you're right, so now you know, you come down with a certain amount of knowledge about how I'm going to fall, but all of a sudden you have this extra put and now there's something you didn't plan for.

So that's another reason to be upset about that call, is because he might have been sidelined because of itely.

Not that the call would have helped his head, but the fact is it was passing afference and him hitting the head almost.

Proved that it was.

One last point I'll make on that though, and I think you guys probably talked about it.

We just we gave the team credit for not letting that get caught up in that call and continuing to stay the course.

Unlike going down and getting the touchdown.

A lot of us probably would have been throwing a hissy fit.

But a lot of people in the press bote.

Oh, I yeah, you know, we're not supposed to say anything, and I I did.

I think I said that's ridiculous.

I said that out loud.

Now.

The only thing I think I said the entire game and we have to go is that when Chase on stripped him, I can't help the ball like I just like again, I can't help it like it's not It's ingrained in no matter, no matter what team it is, not just the Patriots, like it just is automatic.

When you see the ball, get on it.

Well, whenever there's a fumble, Evan stands up in points.

You know our ball ball.

All right, that's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

I thought, I hope Eldred is doing okay in this doctor's appointment.

Yeah, I could look.

I hope we didn't interrupt anything.

And if you want to go listen to Paul, he's on one of his shows.

I think everyone should call in that listens to this show and complain that he left the show early.

I think everyone should do that.

That would be fun.

All Right, we'll see you tomorrow and catch twenty two tomorrow at ten o'clock on special Christmas Eve edition.

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