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Trump, President Trump today a signed an executive order to criminalize, criminalize some forms of flag burning.

Not all of them.

If you, if you haven't caught it, there's a some people are fucking going losing their minds over this shit.

Any I, I really don't know how to feel about this.

I'm not going to lie.

Maybe it's, maybe it's the Canadian in me, which is a protected class.

I'll get to that, but not technically protected class.

But I was reading up on all this discrimination stuff and, you know, you can't like, if you just hired, like, I think it's maybe only for labor laws.

But if you fire someone because they're Canadian in America and get sued for it, it's like, it's incredible what a country this is.

But so Trump signed an executive order titled prosecuting burning of the American flag today.

This is what, the 900th executive order he signed.

Interesting note, by the way, I didn't know this.

Joe Biden tried to pass something similar in 1995 and Hillary Clinton also did in 2006.

Neither were successful, though.

Because Donald Trump gets shit done.

If if you can say anything about Donald Trump is that the dude gets shit done.

OK.

And obviously the Supreme Court ruled on this matter.

I believe in 1989 that burning the flag is protected speech.

You're allowed to burn a flag.

And also don't worry, because should you want to buy a flag and burn it in your backyard, for some reason, you are still completely within your right to do so.

This does not affect you.

I can't.

I get this whole thing made me think that two things actually.

The Bill Hicks joke where someone was like, yeah, my daddy dad for this flag.

And you're like, really?

I bought mine.

But also there's a really funny Mr.

Show sketch where they, there's this, these people want to shit on flags and then they invent this flag that you just can't shit on.

It's like this super secret technology where it just you, the moment you try and shit on this flag, you just become constipated.

You can't shit on it.

Maybe Palantir is working on something like that.

This is from the executive order.

Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's rulings on 1st Amendment protections, the Court has never held that American flag desecration conducted in a manner that is likely to incite imminent lawless action or that is an action accounting to fighting words, is constitutionally protected.

My administration will act to restore respect and sanctity to the American flag and prosecute those who incite violence or otherwise violate our laws while desecrating the symbol of our country to the fullest extent permissible under any available authority.

And I think they're, they're, they're trying to, they're saying you're going to get a year in jail for, for, for a little flag burning.

Obviously, if it falls under the classifications.

Again, if you want to just burn a flag in your backyard, you are free to do so.

Essentially any burning an American flag during some kind of protest that is meant to incite violence is now illegal.

Obviously that's fairly vague.

Also, the phrase otherwise violate our laws while desecrating the symbol of our country seems important here because you can't just start fires in public areas, right?

Like you can't, you can't just walk out on the street.

I'm I'm here near 8th Ave.

in New York City.

Can't just walk out and just start a fire.

I mean, homeless people do it all the time, but they don't have to abide by the same laws that you and I have to abide by.

But technically you or I cannot just go start a fire.

That's illegal, right?

So they won't even have to prove you're inciting violence.

They're just going to be like, yeah, you're lighting a flag on fire in public.

That's that's a crime in and of itself.

Boom, one year in jail.

And now this is obviously mostly targeted at non-us citizens, but it's probably you will see some U.S.

citizens kind of who, you know, hate Trump.

Like think of all those fucking people who go over to Trump Towers and just give a finger to Trump Towers.

Go fuck you building fucking building.

I hate you, you building right.

But they're now going to burn the flag in defiance and if it is not on their property, you I can't imagine Trump's going to go super easy on them.

So you will see just a bunch of real chunky weird haircut ladies getting a year in the clink for a little flag desecration.

But again, this is mostly for non-us citizens is what it seems like also from the executive order.

The Secretary of State, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting within their respective authorities, shall deny, prohibit, terminate or revoke visas, residence permits, naturalization proceedings, and other immigration benefits or seek removal from the United States pursuant to federal law, including eight, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

There are all just a bunch of numbers.

Whenever there has been an appropriate determination that foreign nationals have engaged in American flag desecration activity under circumstances that permit the exercise of such remedies pursuant to federal law, How does that now, what about a cookie?

What if you're like, I ate a flag?

Cookie is that, I know it's obviously not the same as a flag, but you're like, I'm eating the flag.

What if you just ate a flag?

Can you eat the flag?

Is it only fire that we care about?

Can you, I don't know.

I'm trying to think.

I mean, I guess you wouldn't like cut it up to make a bunch of decorations.

Can you RIP a flag?

Like, are there tears to this type of desecration?

Like, you know what I mean?

I know there's a process if a flag gets torn like by the wind because it's been up too long, they have a way to officially retire the flag.

But like, there's got to be like many ways you can desecrate a flag, I guess.

Is it up for interpretation?

Is it is intent a big part of this?

I don't know, really.

Trump's just going after a bunch of leftist protesters, which he has had a hard on for since he got in office.

Sucks to be them.

But you know, at the same time you're like, is, is this a good thing?

Is this a bad thing?

I obviously I'm not an infant.

Like I would never do such a thing as a guest in this lovely country.

I would never you, you would never catch me.

I love this country.

I'm not.

If I saw someone burning a flag, I would go get some water.

I would put that thing out.

That's what I would do.

I go.

Your flag's on fire, patriot.

And you know, he wants to revoke visas, green cards, kick people out again, not citizens out of the country for burning an American flag.

I don't like again, I'm like, there's a part of me I go, this seems heavy-handed.

But then also, why would you want this?

These people here?

Like, why would you invite people into your country?

Now?

If you're an American citizen, you, you probably don't even have a passport.

How far?

You don't even have passports.

You have nowhere you can go.

I guess they could send you to Uganda now, which is hilarious that Uganda made a deal with the United States where they go, hey, if there's any people you have any riffraff, illegal aliens, you kind of can't take, we'll take them.

Like that's the new punishment is you just go to Uganda and there's people from Uganda being like, it's not that bad here.

You know, it is.

It's so bad that some people are like, you want to go to see caught or Uganda and some people are like, yes, see caught.

I think that dude Kilmer, Alberto Garcia, the Maryland resident, that was what he was offered is go to Costa Rica or go to Uganda.

But I think he was, I, I, I think there was like he was going to have to do jail time in Costa Rica, whereas Uganda, I think he still has to be in solitary confinement until they can deport him.

And he's like, yeah, I'll go.

I guess I'll go to Uganda.

It seems like Costa Rica would be better speak the language and all that.

I know.

I know a lot of you haven't looked at the chat, but I know a lot of you are saying, oh, yeah, yeah, of course it's the US flag now, but burning the Israel flag is next.

Although I looked it up because I've seen that a lot online and a lot of people are like, oh, Next up, burning the Israel flag.

No one's ever actually been arrested specifically for burning.

You can burn Israeli flags.

However, several people have been charged for offenses related to doing that, like stealing a flag from someone and then lighting on fire.

And then they charge them with theft of the flag or arson, things to that nature.

But you can burn, because I know some of you have a lot of Israeli flags that you've been itching to burn, and you're just wondering, and guess who sells the Israeli flags to you?

Can you hear that audio, listeners?

Can you hear that rubbing my hands together?

But if you want to burn an Israeli flag, you can burn an Israeli flag on your own property that belongs to you.

Everyone on the right, I've seen a million times today, they, they've been like, they've been using the LGBT flag as an example for why they are OK with this new law.

And again, I, I, I, I don't know how to feel about this.

I'm not going to lie.

And again, no.

And I'm sure some of you, I'm sure some of you have LGBT flags that you would like to burn as well.

And you're not sure if you can do it.

You're like, is this illegal now?

You can totally do it.

Also, guess who's selling you those LGBT flags to burn?

Can you hear that audio?

Listeners rubbing my hands together again.

But you can burn them.

You can burn an LGBT flag in your backyard.

Totally legal.

Nobody's going to stop you.

Your neighbors might think you're a closeted homosexual.

They might think that they go, hey, I think, I think our neighbor might be a closeted homosexual who thinks that burning the LGBT flag might make them not gay.

When in fact, I mean, I I've always thought they were gay, but seems like a little little over the top to just burn the LGBT flag in your backyard.

But you can do it.

This is America.

This is America.

I mean, you could probably do it in a lot of countries.

I'm sure in the like the Middle East they go, yeah, let's go, let's burn those flags.

But again, you can't RIP down an LGBT flag that someone else owns and then burn it that you can't do you that someone else's property and and America big on property here right now.

Obviously one difference and I'm sure you guys, I don't see the chat, but I'm sure many of you are like, yes, one difference is if you RIP down someone's US flag and burn it, you won't be hit with a hate crime, obviously, which is so stupid.

I, I, I think South Park covered this.

So I'm like, I don't even know.

But like the, the if you murder someone and they're like, that was a hate crime, you're like, who cares?

You still murdered them some they were showing there was one guy who I don't know if he was in Florida, I kept I kept seeing this article getting posted because I looked it up on GRAS.

Has anybody ever been charged with vandalizing an LGBT?

And it's always like property damage and then they Ding you with like a a million other things like, you know, like when they do wheelies and stuff and there's a bunch of kids in Georgia maybe two months ago who stole an LG.

But again, they always just hit you with like the property crimes.

They the article.

I couldn't find an answer to this.

And again, if tell, tell me if I'm wrong, if I'm if if I'm wrong on this, you know, you can tell me.

But they were like, they're looking into hate crimes, but didn't appear that they charged them with any hate crimes at all.

So you just get dinged with a bunch of property crimes, right?

But I do can see that they have these hate crimes and it is really, really stupid.

But again, I don't really know how to feel about this.

But again, it does seem so crazy to me that someone would like be like, yeah, I'm going to, I want to go go to College in America.

And then they get here and they're just burning American flags.

Like the only time you can burn an American flag that we all agree on in America is during a soccer game.

2026 World Cup.

I know America's trash at soccer.

I'm sure there'll be a few flags getting burned.

And we'll be like, that's cool.

We're burning your country's flag.

Paraguay, but I just would never get why you'd do that.

I, I just, I don't understand like you don't have to be here.

That's the thing.

I I don't know if this is just like such a basic take, but I'm like, you don't have to be here.

If you hate this place so much, go home.

Except the place you're from is a fucking shit hole.

That's why you left in the first place.

So just stay here, mind your business and don't fucking burn any flags.

Also, I wanted to make one note from a story last week that someone called in about.

There was a story going on the Trump administration is vetting 55,000,000 US visa holders for potential violations.

People were going nuts online as they're like, couldn't believe that there were 55 million people on visas living in the United States and there aren't.

So don't worry about that.

The number is still close to 16,000,000, which is probably around 5% of the census population, probably like 1% of the real population, wink.

But The thing is, people from a lot of different countries all over the world, they need visas just to travel here.

Like if you just want to go to Vegas for a weekend and you live in like probably half the countries or more in the world, you need an advance visa to travel to the United States.

So I think that's what most of them are.

And they're, again, they're trying to weed out all the, the riff raff.

So anyways, that's all I thought on that.

Let me know what you think.

We're going to open the phone line shortly.

Let me know what you think about the about the flag burning stuff.

Do you like it?

Do you not like it?

If so, why?

Schneidtimes says I burn money.

The artist formerly known as Vince says.

Do you even want to be a white guy or are you leaning into the Jew thing?

Say the word and I'll stop defending your whiteness.

What do you mean?

I'm Jewish and I'm white.

I imagine artist formerly known as Vince.

I imagine you're Christian and white.

I'm Jewish and white.

What is so hard to understand?

Really.

Really.

I mean, what is so difficult to understand?

There's black people who are Jewish, there's Asian Jews, just like there's Christians who are black or blasian.

It's really just all over the place.

I am a white guy.

Ask any casting director, any single one, they'll tell you full white guy right here.

All right, I, we're going to open the phone lines in a minute.

I, I saw an interesting chart.

I'm curious if anybody maybe can offer me any insight into this because this is kind of interesting.

I don't, I don't really let's see if I can find this here.

Actually, look, we, we have a, we have a little video or a little picture on the screen.

This is from the Saint Louis Fed.

They had an interesting chart that I that I came across shortly before this we went to air.

I'm wondering if anybody maybe has anything that they can kind of add to this.

I don't know.

The Saint Louis Fed has a chart tracking the number of Americans with disabilities.

And Congrats everyone in America because it's another all time high this month.

Currently there are almost 36 million disabled Americans over the age of 16.

Now this could be due to a number of factors, but there is one thing that really stands out when you look at it, which is I can't get my finger in front of it.

Imagine where my finger would be, that little dip right there.

So.

Specifically, February 2020 there was 31 million disabled Americans over 16, and then June 2020 there was 29 million.

So 2 million gonzo.

Interesting.

It's like what, four months since the low in June 2020, it has steadily marched higher, adding 7 million new disabled disabled people over that time, roughly another, it's about 300,000 new disabled Americans per month.

But if you look at that chart, it was, it had about what are we looking at?

It was, it was about six years, pretty flat.

I would like, you know what I'd really like to see, I don't know how far back you can get this chart, but I'd like to see an overlay of whether the Democrats are in control or the Republicans are in control and how that looks.

Because it looks like during Trump, it kind of flattened out.

Biden, it took off, right?

Who and when did Obama get into office?

2008 right and all right, 2008 and dipped a little and kind of took off.

But the velocity of it right now is it's all it's I wouldn't say parabolic, but of course, and you know, it's it's not hard to at least infer that this was COVID slash vaccine related.

Now pro vax people will point to the increase as caused by COVID.

Anti vaxers will say it was the jab.

I'm curious what caused the huge drop from February 2020 to June 2020?

Did people just people died of COVID?

Part of me is like, is that because people were getting stimmies and they were like, I don't have to be on unemployment like disability benefits anymore?

Were was there some sort of conflict?

I don't know.

I don't have enough time to really research this.

So I'm kind of talking on my ass.

You know, what about what amount of this is just people saying they have long COVID now and just getting disability.

I'm, I'm speculating entirely, but do you have anything to add or know anything about this kind of stuff?

Call in, Let me know.

I'm curious.

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I see there's a big debate about in the chat about all religions suck.

OK, well, phone lines are open.

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That's odd.

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I don't know why.

I don't know what's going on.

I don't know what's going on, but yeah, I had a lot of people message me today about this whole with the flag thing about people getting arrested for the the gay stuff does seem to be an interesting thing.

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Let's go to a call right now we have wireless caller on the line.

I don't know if that's his full Christian name, but wireless caller, who, of course is not unmuting himself.

That's just guys.

This is how things go.

Someone says Trump's birthday is Flag Day.

Is that true?

Is Trump's birthday Flag Day?

Oh, yeah, that's right.

It is interesting.

No burning.

No burning flags on Trump's birthday.

None of that.

OK, someone says I wouldn't sign up for $1000.

All right, well then you're not going to get anything.

You will get nothing and you will be happy.

All right, well, if someone's on the line but they can't figure out how to unmute themselves, so that's great.

Things are going smoothly.

There was one other thing I wanted to talk about but I literally you cannot remember.

Jim.

Bob, Jim Bob.

How's it going, man?

Not too bad.

Apparently I got to press the star.

Six or something now talk to you.

Yeah, you got to.

Well, it's always been like that.

You got to press the *6.

Oh well, I drink a lot though, that's weird.

It's all right.

Put written instructions on your website.

So.

No, next that.

OK, what's up, Jim Bob?

I'm just joking, I can't breathe.

But.

It's really leading into this Jim Bob thing.

What?

What?

What are you doing there, Jim Bob?

There's like a crazy crackling.

Jesus.

Sounds like you're falling down a flight of stairs, man.

Oh, that does happen because I do live in a place with stairs.

OK, what?

What are you doing with your phone right now?

All right, we're going to mute Jim Bob.

I don't know what the hell is going on with him right now.

That is not a great thing to listen to right there.

Just hello, you're on low value mail.

Who am I speaking with?

Hi, Danny, it's Tim.

Hey, what's up, Tim?

How's it going?

Oh, nothing much.

How's it going?

I called in.

I was feeling like no one's watching the show anymore.

What's going on?

What do you mean?

I got right in.

Yeah, I don't know why people that normally people call it light up the lines.

Maybe people don't care about this flag thing enough.

I I I've called in many times and usually I wait a hell in a long time.

Just.

Depends.

I I just wanted to.

Yeah.

Did you see that shit with Rampage Jackson's son?

I did see that I I watched I like so basically for people who are I guess are not super online Rampage Jackson's son who I don't does he even fight MMA or is it just his dad does?

I don't know if he's like very established, but apparently, yeah, he does.

OK, so he, he tried to do some like independent wrestling thing where like, I guess he didn't know what he was doing.

And then I guess what was the, the story was like the guy like hit him in the head with a beer can as like a wrestling move.

Like, I don't know.

But that was like before the show.

Well, I I.

See I might be a little bit ignorant on this, but from what I understand.

Is it was.

Part of like the acts, the whole theatrics thing and it was like planned and it wasn't like it was all staged and proud.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was always.

I guess flipped out as he looked like an idiot through it, you know?

Right, because he didn't like he didn't react to getting hit in the head with the beer can at all.

So like he didn't sell it I guess.

And then anyways, in the stage, he like piled or like power bombs this guy, Rampage Jackson's son power bombs this guy, knocks him out cold and then just like punches him in the face like 20 times and the guy's like in the hospital and shit.

Apparently he was like in between the part with the beer can where he felt disrespected and before he like fucked this guy up, he was like on his like live stream be like, I can fuck hit this guy for real.

He wouldn't even know what, you know, like like kind of saying what he's about to do.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know how that works.

I imagine like he's going to like have some legal problems.

I mean, I, I don't know if anybody remembers this story from the NHL.

This is probably 20 ish years ago, but Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks to this guy Steve Moore during an NHL game.

He's the guy was like skating up the ice and Todd Bertuzzi came up from behind him and basically like, I don't know if you like, put him in a headlock, but he kind of like, kind of like headlocked up.

And then he just drove his head into the ground and knocked this dude unconscious.

And the guy's like career was over from it.

Like, basically.

And essentially, 'cause, you know, hockey's like a pretty violent sport.

And they were like, yeah, that like crossed the line.

And he got charged with assault.

Like he had to go to court.

I think he had.

To pay?

Did he end up getting in a lot of trouble?

Well, yeah, I don't know if whatever happened with his, like if he was found.

That's a good question, actually.

Tom Bertuzzi, Steve Moore.

Yeah, I don't.

Yeah, he had a criminal assault complaint against him.

I know he had to pay him a ton of money, but I don't know.

I know there was like a lawsuit because I mean, he, he did rob this dude of like millions of dollars, you know, in his.

Career I got one more thing I wanted to address fucking you've been following Mandami the nightmare fucking currently he's.

Floating can't put up one plate.

Well, that and he wants to like get rid of charging all like petty crimes or whatever and no cash bail.

And it's like if every day it's something with this.

Fucking.

I mean, I don't know if they had.

I thought they I thought what was the the last guy who everybody hated?

Fuck.

Oh, I can't remember his name.

Before the guy.

No the before Adams.

Cuomo.

No, not Cuomo.

Fucking.

Yeah, I know who you're talking.

Yeah, I.

Don't know, I can't remember his name, but the guy before Cuomo, everybody who everybody hated, I thought he got rid of dude.

They were doing this thing where, I don't know if they still do it, but they were doing this thing where if you showed up for your bail hearing, they would give you Mets tickets.

They're like, just show up for your bail hearing and we'll give you Mets tickets.

And you're like, yeah, that's a sign of a pretty well functioning criminal.

Justice system.

De Blasio.

That's the.

One paid for the Mets tickets.

Is there some like back alley Mets guy just like?

No, it was well, that was when the Mets, I don't know if the Mets, I think the Mets were kind of crappy at that time.

So probably they were like the city cut a deal with them and got, you know, but then also you're like, you're sitting in like a section of just criminals at the Mets game.

They're probably just put all the criminals together at a Mets.

Game that's probably a good time up there Here's a.

Clown.

But I mean the petty crime thing, it's like, again, even, you know, even everywhere, like I don't know, like where do you live?

Do you live in New York?

I used to.

No, now I'm down in South Carolina.

I'm just curious like is every like does every CVS and target lock up everything all over the country or is that just specific cities?

No.

It's not locked up.

Yeah, no.

Like dude.

There's there's places down here and I'm not even like in a tiny small town.

It's like your average town and you can go on the gas station and the guy be like in the back and no one like there's no one's watching anything.

You know what I mean?

Like.

There's a gap, yeah, station like that by my house in Long Island City where like you can just kind of it's so it's not like it's not like super crazy, but like I went to on the Upper East Side the other day.

I went to a walked into a Duane Reade and they had the serial under lock and key.

Like you have to get someone to like, it was like the serial was behind plexiglass.

I'm like, that seems like.

But then again, you see it all over New York City.

Like you'll go walk around and they'll just be people and they'll have like, they'll just be selling shit that they clearly just stole.

Like, you know, 10 minutes.

Free.

Yeah.

I haven't been.

I haven't been in the city in a couple years now.

I grew up all on island, but was in and out of the city a lot.

But it's ridiculous and it's so fucking expensive.

Unless you're like making a ton of money.

Who the fuck is going to be living in New York City, you know, at this point?

Yeah.

It's, it's a lot.

It's a lot, yeah.

Well, all right, I'll let you go and take the next call.

Good talking to you man.

Have a good one.

Bye.

All right, let's go to conspiracy extremist.

I believe this is who it is.

Yes.

For those of you in the chat, Slav has been banned again.

Hello.

Hey, Danny, how's it going?

What's?

Up, man.

Hey so I I keep forgetting to tell you this whole leg washing thing.

I've never addressed it and I pondered I definitely do not wash my legs.

Maybe very.

One of us.

One of us.

I never really thought about it.

And then, you know, when watching the show and you bring it up every once in a while, I'm like, wait, do I wash my legs?

No, I don't.

It's very interesting.

You don't need to.

You don't.

That's honestly big soap is fucking psyoping you into thinking you need to wash your legs.

You don't need to wash your legs.

Gravity does it for you.

You wash your head and waist up.

Or you know, maybe knees up.

Probably you want to do waist down and then knees up and then all the soap just runs off of you and just cleans your legs like a car wash.

Yeah, I think it's just common sense.

Like you don't.

That's why I've never really thought about it.

And I think most people don't think about it either because.

I mean, I'm telling you, every black person, black comedian I know finds me disgusting when I bring it up and they're like, what?

I don't wash your legs?

I don't know.

I don't wash my legs nor.

Will well as a fellow white.

Person, we're not as ashy, you know?

Exactly.

I mean some, yeah.

You know what?

I I actually, because I've been getting a little sun, I am kind of ashy, but you just can't really tell.

Probably, if you know you have that real dark background, you probably do need to wash the legs.

I do guess maybe, yeah, maybe.

I don't know.

I think I think the gravity car wash theory is correct.

And then I think so too.

I think this is one of my greatest theories.

Also, I'm just not going to wash my legs.

What do you think about this flag thing?

Do you care at all?

You don't seem like a type.

OK, yeah, that was the the thing that I was going to bring up besides the the leg Washington.

So here's the thing.

I have like still some little libertarian tendencies in me.

So I'm like, you know, who cares?

It's a flag, you know, fuck the government.

But since I've been but you.

Can.

The thing is, you can.

Well, back to the libertarian thing, you can burn an American flag on your own property.

That is still fine.

So with that kind of a line with the libertarian thing where they're like, you can still do it.

They're they're not really taking, they're not taking that away from you.

They're just saying essentially if you're not AUS citizen, even if you're not U.S.

citizen, you can still burn a flag on.

I guess the point is what's the point of burning AUS flag if it's not some sort of display for other people to see though?

Well, it's, it's intended to be retiring the flags.

That's, that's when they actually burn it and they actually have graves for the burnt flags usually like, you know, under the ground mass or above ground mass.

For all.

Flags like like if you just have a flag you bought from China that you fly on, you're just like front stoop and it gets torn up.

Like is there a place to send it in where they'll give it like a proper burial?

Yes, there there are.

But typically they're used for like military ceremonial purposes.

But yes, there are places that you can send the the burnt flag ashes I guess to have it buried.

Interesting.

But here's the thing I was going to say.

With that being said, I have sort of been radicalized to be very fascist in nature now after just cultural shit.

I kind of have it.

Also leaning where people should be prison for 20 years if they disgrace the flag.

Not necessarily burning it because there is a ceremonial purpose to respect it, but people stomping on the flag and shit like that.

I don't know man.

Nowadays I just.

You think that someone should go 20 years in prison for?

I don't think child rapists get 20 years in prison, although I do.

You probably think child's rapist should be executed.

Yeah, literally, as I was saying that you're like, yeah, that's also not enough.

20 years seems a little harsh.

Yeah.

I mean, that's just a number.

I could kind of just said to be.

Extreme.

Just 1/4 of the average.

Person's life.

At the very minimum, there should be a fine, I think if you're doing a public display of not necessarily just burning, but I mean, you know what I'm talking about, These people, these fucking crazy socialists and not the good ones like stomp on it.

Not the good ones.

Yeah.

I mean, The thing is, is like a lot of these people, they're not even American citizens.

I'm just like, wow.

It's goes back to the whole like Mahmood Khalif shit where you're people are like, yeah, you're like, he's he has a green card.

He's here legally.

And you're like, well, he's not an American citizen.

I'm of the opinion that, like, if you're not an American citizen, you don't truly have like, true First Amendment protection.

Like, you know, obviously no other administration gave a shit.

And they were just like, let these people do whatever the fuck you want.

But but then I'm also like, I don't get why you would come to America and then be like, I hate this place.

I was like get the fuck out of here.

Then 100% Yep.

Yeah.

And it like it's disgusting because in Arizona, like parts of Arizona where you have a bunch of Mexicans, they're driving around in their little F1 fifties with a big ass Mexican flag sticking out of it.

And it's like, if you love Mexico so much, why the fuck are you here?

Right.

Yeah, well, I'm sure a lot of them won't be here for long, you know what I mean?

Well, that's the thing.

There are like actual citizens.

I mean, look at these leftists.

They're citizens and they'll fucking they'll students the same shit.

They'll stomp on the flag, but they'll burn it.

They'll do all this disgusting shit.

But obviously you're a big First Amendment guy.

You must be a First Amendment guy, I imagine.

Or, or or does your fascism be like, there shouldn't be a First Amendment?

Do your fascistic.

Mental struggle.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think here's I think this is what I think is that whatever I agree with should be OK, what I disagree with should be illegal.

Fair smoking like a true fascist.

You go, I make the rules.

What I say goes.

Basically, you just want to run.

You just want the country to be like probably how you parent your kids.

You go, I fucking make the rules and that's just what it is.

You go, I don't give a shit.

That you want to watch.

Bluey, it's bedtime.

Yeah, democracies.

Look at look where it's gotten us.

So I mean, like, to be honest, I'm like, yeah, we really want a dictator, but kind of, you know, like, as long as he agrees with everything I can do how?

I don't know how else to fix this shit man.

Yeah, I mean, that's The thing is, you know, the threat of the one year jail.

But again, there's going to be so many people who are going to now openly defy this just because Trump's doing it.

And then, you know, like, I don't know.

I don't know if there's some scenario where like, yeah, there's like a fucking full jail full of just, like, liberal arts chicks who are all just burned a flag.

But yeah.

And and then again.

Help for burning the Israeli flag.

What's that?

People are getting their citizenship revoked for burning the Israeli flag.

I don't think anybody's had their citizenship revoked.

It's the same thing with like the visas where you're like, you're a guest in this country.

You're not a citizen.

There's no U.S.

citizens who have been arrested.

I looked it up specifically because I was like, I was wondering, talking about this when I was preparing.

I was like, has anybody ever been arrested for burning an Israeli flag?

Like, there's no charge for that.

Literally, it's there.

It's always just like, yeah, they set a fire in the street or they stole the flag from someone.

And so they're charged with theft of the flag, but it's more of a property crime.

Like there's no, like there's no law in the books that says you can't burn a flag.

Well, I guess there is now.

But the question is, does does this new US flag thing apply to other countries?

Because they're probably really only apply to Israel, I assume.

But then what happens?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know if there's a is there some slippery slope argument I'm missing here about it's like you make it illegal to burn the flag.

It's, you know, is there some sort of like are you giving up some kind of liberty by allowing them to criminalize burning the flag?

I don't know.

I don't.

Know yeah well yeah, I understand I agree with you in in principle but I mean I mean when you give a lot of people liberty I mean things don't we got a bunch of fucking homos dancing around naked cry parade from a kid that's.

True.

I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't really know what it is.

I saw that.

Did you see that thing?

It was so funny.

Like CNN is running this.

I I wonder are you gonna go move there?

There's like this whites only colony that's opening up.

Did you see that?

It was on CNN.

Yeah, return to the land.

Yeah, return, return to the land.

Are you gonna go return to the land?

No, I mean the same reason.

Well, yeah, of course I thought about it, but it's the same reason why I haven't moved to like New Hampshire where they've got like the what was it called?

The yeah, the free something project.

No, it's because where we, both my my parents and in laws both live very close to us.

And when it was always important to me that my kids would be able to get to know their grandparents because I didn't get to know mine.

So.

All right.

Well, why don't you just be a fascist and be like, yo grandparents, you're fucking moving.

We're going to this whites only.

Column.

Yeah, I thought about it.

I thought about.

It tell them it's like a.

They have to all retire first.

They got to retire first.

Yeah, there's probably not a big economic activity going on on this.

Whites only I think like the main income that they have right now is like the guy does live streams on YouTube.

No the I think.

The dude who?

Started it like he's got AI mean he's got all these properties and shit like oh he's got financial back.

Yeah, yeah, they have financial backgrounds, but like, essentially in terms of like, like there's no, I don't know if there's like a store, like I don't know how any of that works.

I guess it's probably near something.

It's funny, 'cause all the black people in the comments on CNN were like, all right, what?

Like they didn't even CNN was posting this to inflamed people and they were just like all right, good.

I don't.

Know, but you want to hear something hilarious about the guy who started it?

Now I don't know exact details but allegedly it came out a couple years ago.

He was like doing like full blown porn.

They always do full blown porn.

It was like Peanut the squirrel, Remember Peanut the squirrel?

Oh yeah.

And then they're like, yeah, they're, they all do porn.

That's how it always.

Goes every single time.

Every.

Single.

All right, I got to let you go.

I got to take some more calls.

Good.

Talking to him.

OK, we're going to take phone lines are closed.

Everybody don't call in anymore.

You had your chance and you fucking blew it.

You blew it.

Hello.

You're on low value mail.

Who am I speaking with?

I'm speaking with nobody, apparently.

Hello.

Not there.

God, there's really wondered about some of you sometimes.

What's going on?

Hello, you're on low value mail.

Who am I speaking?

With Yeah.

What's that, brother?

Hey, who am I speaking with?

Hey, talk, talk from California, man.

What's happening?

All right, I took, I took notes.

I'm trying to be a good caller.

OK, Yeah, yeah.

Locking up liquor and stuff like that in California, it's different from city to city.

Like the ghetto ones, they're all behind glass.

And you, Yeah, yeah, the liquor stores, the liquor stores I see, I see some gas stations and stuff are like that.

I'm talking about cereal.

Like Serial is behind glass in like one of the most affluent neighborhoods in New York City.

Like this is the Upper East Side.

Like this is people live in $10 million apartments in this area.

Yeah, Dave, that, that that doesn't happen in like Southern California and stuff like that.

Like I haven't I haven't seen that yet, but it like they're like rolling out locking more shit up until I got for sure.

Yeah, I guess the thing with New York City is that it's you.

It's so easy to get around everywhere that like, you could just be like, yeah, I'm just going to go to the affluent areas.

It takes me 20 minutes to get there on the subway, and then I'll just go rob them.

So it's kind of forced force them all to, I guess, do this.

Yeah.

I mean, I didn't, I didn't think it would be like that everywhere.

But trying to think, yeah, because when I was in Florida, it wasn't like that.

Florida, they don't lock everything up.

And it wasn't like, it wasn't like this when I moved here six years ago.

Six years ago, I don't think anything was locked up.

Danny, it's crazy, man.

Like, like where I live, if I drive like 20 minutes to like Orange County, California and stuff like that, like nothing's locked up.

They don't lock shit up there.

Like they don't have a reason to and stuff like that.

Yeah, but like, like it it, it's like really fucking crazy and shit like.

That well, that's I mean, the stores have no choice really because the city like won't do any, won't prosecute and you know, doesn't really punish you for theft.

So what's the store supposed to do?

And I imagine the stores like, we can't, you know, we can't do anything to these people.

Like I'm sure if they touch them, then whoever gets in trouble, there's a story.

There's this crazy story out of Lindsay ON actually in Canada where this guy broke.

This is like Americans will not be able to comprehend what I'm about to say.

I don't know if I talked about this last week, but some guy broke into another guy's house at three and two or three in the morning, and then the dude who got the guy broke in with a weapon.

He had a crossbow, broke into this guy's house.

The guy who lived there woke up, was like there's an intruder in my house, grabbed a knife, stabbed the guy up and is now facing charges.

Basically like they both got charged.

What the hell?

Isn't that crazy?

They're they're essentially saying he used too much force on the intruder.

You're like the guy had a crossbow.

They're like you stabbed him too many times.

I mean, I think I it's a polite thing to do.

It first is do a slash.

Hey, shut up slob.

Fuck them Jews.

You know, I'm saying shit.

And I was like, stabbing is a little a little intense.

I mean.

I mean, whatever you're like, you don't know what the person's going to do to you.

It's like you just go fucking kill them.

Fuck.

Someone's in your bedroom at

3:00 in the morning.

You're like, that's your.

You should be allowed to kill that person.

I'm probably stabbing.

Yeah, I'm on your side again with a.

Weapon with a weapon crossbow and now this guy's like fucking probably going to go to jail over like.

I have AI have a buoy knife under my bed and A and a fucking nightstick.

Like.

I don't fuck around but maybe not go straight to Stabby Stabby town.

Well, what do you do?

What's your move?

Then you just be like, hey, get out.

Fucking slash him in the face probably.

Slash him in the face, I guess.

See, I would, I would.

If I'm, if I'm getting woken up at 3:00 AM, I'm fucking stabbing.

I'm going.

Non-stop.

Non-stop.

Anyways, I got to let you go.

I got to take these calls before we guest.

Good talking to you, man.

All right, all right, we got we got to do this quick because I have 9 minutes before the guest comes on.

That's about two minutes of color.

Goob, what's up?

What's up, Danny?

How?

You doing man?

You know, I, I did call in for a specific reason, but I'm a, I'm a a bit drunker than I thought I was.

I do want to say to yeah, I do want to say to Gerard, the hold has been fixed.

So I'm I'm able to listen to the show again, which is excellent while I'm on hold.

Oh, great.

OK, yeah, yeah, 'cause I thought I had set it up for that to be able to be the case through Zoom.

So good.

Good to know.

Good to know.

What's up?

What's up, dude?

We we got to be quick.

Yeah, I think we should burn all flags.

I think all flags should be burnt.

It's it's weird that in America, you know, Jewish and and tag flags were the only flags that you couldn't burn.

I.

Think that's not true?

Trending toward you can literally.

Burn.

That's absolutely true.

You can.

From what my research, because I specifically was looking it up today, you can burn any flag that you bought yourself.

Nobody's going to stop you.

Every person who gets arrested for burning a gay pride flag or any sort of flag is because they stole it from somebody.

And then the.

There were, there were definitely, there definitely been charges of like arson and terrorism, but I, I don't remember the exact charge, but like there's something about using accelerants.

Yeah, there was one.

There was one case A.

Bomb.

Well, there was, so there was.

One and terrorism and so a guy bought a flag, a fag flag, poured gas on it and burn it and he was charged with like terrorism and.

Well, where did he burn?

Where did he burn?

Making?

Where did he burn?

It.

I mean.

I can't go buy a fucking like I can't go buy AT shirt and do that and just start a fire in the middle of 8th Ave.

like I I like I can't just go buy yeah.

You certainly can.

You're not going to get the feds after you and I'm not going to get it for that like they're.

Not just going to be like, hey, just what are you doing?

Like they're going to fucking in New York City.

Like I'm going to get I, I again, I I'm not saying I'm like that.

Obviously you you'll have someone come up to you and go what, what are you doing?

Don't do that versus hate crime, terrorism charges that block you in jail.

For the year, yeah, the hate crime thing obviously, because there was this one guy who got he like pulled down a, a, a gay pride flag from like a church or something.

And then, but I read the whole story and the guy had like a crazy criminal history.

He was like threatening to light a strip club on fire like it wasn't.

What about what about the street?

You remember the the street Like people putting tire marks on the.

The.

Crossways, yeah, that's the same kind of thing.

Like you, you can't really sit here and be like, oh, that's not a thing when you know.

Well, God damn.

Well, it's a thing.

That one I do disagree with and that's obviously not, it's similar to the flag, but it's, yeah, I guess it is pretty similar to the flag, obviously.

And those ones, it's the, it's the gay and Israel protection that exists in America.

Yeah.

Oh, that.

'D be funny.

You can try and.

Is you draw like an Israel flag on there and then like someone scuffs it up and then you fucking call the cops on them.

Just you draw it on like the sidewalk and then they mess it up and you go, you just did a hate crime.

But yeah, that that.

That's malicious compliance play.

Play their game against them.

That's actually a good idea, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, you basically, cops walk and you go, yeah, you.

Just I like that.

I might might just.

Desecrated my Israel yeah, you just desecrated my Israel flag that I fucking drew with chalk on the sidewalk man.

That's illegal either Yeah, no, I know what you mean.

Obviously like the yeah, like the the the pride flags on the whatever, like the the crosswalk ones.

That's again, it's like, is it illegal to do wheelies?

I don't know, like is it illegal to do or whatever?

Not wheelies.

Fucking Donuts.

Generally, yeah, it is.

So those, those are all crimes.

But they're not hate crimes.

They're like hate crimes.

I mean a ticket that you know you pay 150 bucks for, not that you go to jail for 15 years for.

Yeah, no, what you need to do is you need to do like do like a white pride mural on the ground and then start doing Donuts and just see if anything happens.

Probably people would be like.

Thanks for no I.

Know, I know everybody would be like, thanks man.

You're a real fucking real good guy for doing Donuts on that nasty.

Also not a bad idea.

If you want to boost your your online cred, do that.

You're coming up with bangers here, but.

They're.

They're not the kind of bangers I want, but they're bangers.

Yeah, well, I'm not AUS citizen, so I don't know if I can do this not not with this administration.

I don't know.

The my biggest fear is that I ever have like a fucking knock on my door and I have to go explain my jokes to ice.

I go, I'm telling you, it's just a goof.

Anyways, I got to like, I got to let you go, but all.

Right man, Thanks.

OK, OK.

We'll take.

I'm sorry, we're not going to get to all the calls, unfortunately, because Howard is right here.

We're going to be with him in a few minutes.

I'm going to take the last call and then we're going to go to the break and we'll be back with Howard Bloom.

Hello, you're on.

Lovell Hello, Danny.

Yeah.

How are you today, Sir?

Zach.

How's it going, man?

I'm doing all right.

I I think this is ridiculous.

The same day that Trump 'cause he's going to let in 600,000 Chinese students.

I saw that 6.

100.

I saw that Chinese student thing.

I I I So how many do we know?

How many?

Like is that there's 600,000 Chinese students here already or?

I think it's 600,000 more because there's already like 300,000 ish of.

Them there's 300,000 and so is that essentially some sort of like leverage position?

Like is that some sort of negotiation tactic that he's trying to pull with the Chinese because he's like all the tariffs and because obviously America still needs stuff from China so he has to give them something.

Is that like some carrot that he's offering them?

I don't really understand what the rationale is.

Right now, China's economy is circling the drain.

People are burning factories down because they haven't been paid in a year, and we would think we'd want to be pushing them over the edge, not helping them let off steam.

And send over people here to spy and steal intellectual property and.

I mean, there was the there was there was that Chinese woman who they caught.

She was trying to bring those like spores.

Remember that this is like a month ago.

She was trying to bring these like spores into the country that would just basically kill all the crops.

And they just have to be like, yeah, those are just like these one off cases.

Yeah, and they're, they're buying up like, you know, what happened in Canada was I'm buying all the property and there's that same thing is happening here.

They come over for birth tourism to get a passport to then, you know, start siphoning money out of China and trying to escape here.

So the the Confucius Institutes of the colleges, it's just it's completely absurd.

First of all, you know, Texas V Johnson is very well established Supreme Court decision.

So there's already somebody got arrested in front of the White House for burning a flag and it's it's doomed to failure in a complete.

It's just an indication of how the guy's priorities are completely out of whack.

And yeah, well, he's really going after the.

These leftist agitators that he, you know, obviously he has a real hard on for them and I guess he's trying to make their lives as miserable as possible.

But again, I do get the thing of like, if people hate like who are not American, who live here and they're like, they hate this country, why would you want them here?

Like America?

I guess it's just like such so liberal in some senses and has been where there was like this element where you're like, yeah, there's people here who we welcome in and they hate this place.

And I guess you just accept it.

And he's kind of the guy who's just being like, we don't have to accept this.

I mean, there's like 40 countries in the world where you do go to jail for burning the flag.

Now, granted, America has asked themselves, do we want to be like those countries?

I guess that's the question.

Anyways, I got to let you go.

Unfortunately, I got to go to the break.

But good talking to you, man.

Hey, later.

All right.

It is a break time.

We'll be back momentarily with my guest, Howard Bloom.

What's going on here?

Oh, yeah.

OK.

Don't go anywhere.

I'll see you very soon.

And we're back.

Everybody joining me, maybe one of the most interesting people who has ever been a guest on this show.

Thank you for coming on.

Howard Bloom, how are you doing?

Danny, hi.

So how are you doing?

How in the world did you even hear about me?

I actually heard about you from my SO.

I am a big coast to coast guy.

But The thing is, so I I used to live in Canada.

We actually grew, well, grew up.

But you're from pretty close to me, but on the Buffalo.

I'm from near Hamilton.

Wow.

So we probably grew up, we're probably about not even 100 miles away, right?

But anyways, so I used to listen to coast to Coast all the time.

I was a huge coast to coast guy.

This is the inspiration for this show is Coast to Coast.

But maybe amazing slightly more modern version.

But because there's not a lot of people doing call in shows, but I live, once I moved to New York, I don't have a car anymore and I always used to listen to Coast to Coast.

I don't have to have a car either.

What a relief.

I know I I'm not.

I don't hate the fact that I don't need a car, but that's when I used to listen to Coast the coast all the time.

But so my my producer Gerard, I was just because he's my new producer.

And I said, are there any interesting guests that you think I should that I don't know about?

And he recommended you.

And then I watched you on your Joe Rogan and a few other your appearances and I was like, this guy's incredible.

And yeah, I mean, you're like you.

You're I don't even you, you have this crazy life like this.

It's it's almost like a, you know, it's like a Forrest Gump thing, but but like with like you're really smart.

It's like the.

It's like the other way.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

But so for people who.

That's an accurate assessment, by the way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I guess just quickly, for people who don't know who you are, maybe just give them a quick little synopsis.

Well, I I started in science at the age of 10.

I started in microbiology and theoretical physics and but I was fascinated with mass human emotion, most important, ecstatic mass human emotion.

And I've been on the trail of that with my tools of science ever since.

So as field work, I ended up, through a series of accidents, being able to start the biggest PR firm in the music industry.

And here I am a scientist.

I'm not a vinyl junkie.

I did not grow up on popular music.

I grew up on Rachman, I don't know, Bartok, Stravinsky, etcetera.

And now I'm in the world straight in the middle of the world of popular music.

And so I'm using my scientific insights to see what works, see what doesn't work, and invent things that should be but aren't.

And the result is that I was credited with inventing a whole new form of PR in the music industry.

And I ended up working with Prince, Michael Jackson, Bob Marley, John Mellencamp, ACDC, Aerosmith, KISS, Queen, Run DMC, Billy Joel, Billy Idol, Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, David Byrne.

And in many cases, I was working to architect their careers.

And I was working to architect their careers so that they would not be products, so that they would not be cardboard cutouts, so that they, their soul would blaze at all times.

And, and as a consequence, you could attach to them as icons because you would, you could see the essential, absolutely authentic and honest core of these people.

We're talking about people like Joan Jett and Prince.

And then I, I had it, you know, I, I answered all my questions.

I wanted to get out and go back to my science full time and a buddy couldn't.

Your wife will never let you.

When you're a legend in an industry and you're making a good living, your wife will never let you leave that job.

Sure, especially the the money and the status.

I imagine she's.

Right.

So I had.

She didn't care about status, but money.

She cared about it so especially.

In New York City.

Yeah, right.

So then I got sick in 1988, and that sickness was wretched.

It kept me in bed for the next 15 years.

For five years I was too weak to speak and too weak to have another person in the room with me.

But it let me go back to my science.

I was already halfway through my first book, The Lucifer Principle.

I finished it.

I found a publisher, which was very hard.

It took four years to find a publisher.

We put the book out, and that's Danny.

When I had to sit down for the first time and write a biography of myself, the author, about the author.

And every week some other item would occur to me.

And over the course of months, many items occurred to me.

And then when I looked at the finished product, I said, this is not a real biography.

This is not a real life.

These are the delusions of a lunatic.

You know, because I've, I've also worked with Buzz Aldrin.

I've, I've spent some time on the phone with a guy who at that time had never launched anything into space.

He hadn't even put a firecracker in a tin can and lit the fused.

And but I, I knew my gut knew I have a thing on my gut that spots superstars.

And when it saw this man, it said this man is not just a superstar.

He's what you've been seeking all your life.

He's a myth because I really wanted to know the myth making the apparatus of human society.

And who was that man?

Yeah, so I had three phone conversations with him, and his name was Elon Musk.

Sure.

And we were just before we got on here, you were watching his rocket launch.

Exactly because I run 3 space groups now.

So yeah, I've been all over the place I've.

And one goal has been there's this line and Andrew Marvel into his coy mistress.

Thus, though we cannot make our son stand still yet, we will make him run.

And the idea behind that is we cannot stop time.

We cannot stop the fact that we will die someday.

So let's say a big fuck you to death.

Sure.

By living as many lives as possible in one.

So I like it and you have it seems you have actually on that Matt, I have a couple things I want to ask you.

Sorry to cut you off, but because you have this AI bloom bot, which I think ties ties in well with this, you know, kind of death thing because essentially you so tell me about you have this AI bot that essentially is going to be you once you are no longer here.

Exactly.

But unfortunately it's nowhere near me at this point.

I'm going probably to debate with it on stage in the fall or winter, and I hope by that time it's more me.

But it's so fascinating to talk to because when it's at its best, it's God damn brilliant.

It's.

Just.

Amazing.

It comes up with the most amazing phrases and you can give it.

I mean phrases I wish I had written.

Sure.

And you can give it 10-5 random things, totally disparate things, things that seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with each other, and say, show me the connections between these things.

And in less than a second it will produce connections that will owe you.

And it's knowledge is so deep that it puts these things in a bigger context, in a way that is stunning It it's able to do the research I would do in a month, it can do in a second.

Sure.

Yeah.

I mean you obviously use AI.

How did you develop this?

Is this like on top of a different like large language model or is this some sort of?

Well, the primary thing there, no, there was a, a computer person, a computer genius really, who seemed to be hitting some sort of life crisis.

And he met in a cafe, one of the members of the Howard Bloom Institute, the group that's dedicated to carry on carrying on my work after I died.

And so this member of the HBI told him about this field I created in 2001 called omnology.

And omnology is a discipline for the promiscuously curious.

It is a discipline that says don't let them silo you.

Don't let them stuff you into a specialization.

If you have multiple curiosities, follow them all, because those are what make you passionate about what you're doing.

And when you hit the age of 40 and all your friends are hitting the age of 42, and all of your friends are having midlife crises and wondering why they're on this planet and are buying little red sports cars and picking up blondes and and cheating on their wives.

Or if they're women planning elaborate marriages, elaborate divorces so they can finally find out who they really are.

You will be coming back from the want wilderness of your multiple curiosities with your very first big picture answers.

And while your friends feel they're at the end of their lives, you will know you were at the very beginning of yours.

Interesting.

So that's omnology.

So he heard about that and suddenly all kinds of things clicked into place for him.

So he contacted me.

I put him in the Howard Bloom Institute and he started developing what he calls omnibots, that is bots that are and this.

Is in 2001.

No, this is now, this is, this has happened 8 months ago or something like that.

So at any rate, so the omnibots are based on omnology and he started to develop the the bloom bot.

He, he seems to find me somehow nourishing.

I nourish his soul and and give him a sense of purpose.

Don't ask me how.

I'm just a normal Lord like you.

But so he started creating the Bloombot and I said, why don't I debate the Bloombot?

And that's what we're putting together.

It's kind of like deep blue, like the chest, like you're playing, you're playing yourself almost.

Yeah, exactly.

And then if that's successful, if we managed to get in an audience, we will do it again.

But then I will debate with Aristotle.

Right.

And so how do you train it?

Just obviously you've written what, 7 books?

I've written 8 books.

Eight books, sorry, right.

So eight books and just like you just feed it as much information as you can on specifically on yourself or is it?

Well, he feeds it by my he's my chief technical officer, Ryan Dean.

He's amazing and he feeds the books in, he feeds in any other stuff he can find that I've written and he feeds in, I've got about 500 YouTube videos all together.

And so he's in other words, where I'm being interviewed the way we're doing an interview now and stuff like that.

And he feeds in all that stuff that'll fit.

And when when we're able to get enough money to pay Chachi BT for additional storage, then the bot will know a whole lot more about me.

Interesting.

I want to ask you, sorry, go ahead.

Go ahead.

He's creating lenses, and I don't entirely understand what these lenses are, but one lens is based on my way of thought, another lens is based on Aristotle's way of thought, another way of lens is based on Leibniz's thought.

And the his the chat bots he creates have these multiple lenses with which to look at things.

Yeah, because you, you seem to be, you're very interested in like deconstructing, it seems these massive things, right?

I I love to.

Turn things on their head.

Right, like you, you're all about the universe.

Your your most recent book is the.

Case of this natural cosmos, everything you know about nature is wrong.

Is wrong.

So you, you're, you're not trying to, you know, fix these small problems.

You're, you're thinking about things from this grand scale.

Do you, are you concerned with AI like with with the speed?

I'm not afraid of it by any stretch of the imagination.

It's like it's any it's like any tool.

A hammer can be used to kill or a hammer can be used to build a house.

We don't outlaw hammers because a a few people, one person and 1000 is going to club his wife to death with a hammer because of the hammers useful utility and AII use for AIAIS simultaneously.

And I use them to do research for me.

I use them to check each other because they still they hallucinate and their hallucinations are so fucking amazing.

I mean they are detailed down to the last degree.

And if you ask for the sources, they will give you those sources in perfect MLA style or perfect Chicago style or whatever you ask for and and the the references will be extremely impressive.

And then you'll start checking one of the references and you'll discover the author doesn't exist, the paper doesn't exist.

They make these things up, but they do it in such with such detail that it's hard to spot you.

You really cannot spot the errors.

The best way to spot the errors is to go check on the articles that you think are most important yourself.

But also go to another AI and and ask it about these.

Just feed in the whole answer that AI #1 gave you.

Feed it into AI #2 and AI number 2 will Fact Check it for you and always end with Gemini because Gemini and Meadow seem to do really good jobs.

But they all do really good jobs, but they're all limited.

Yeah, so my wife drives me crazy because she only found out about ChatGPT.

Maybe I told her four months ago, I'm like, you should try this, you'd like it.

But now it's completely infallible.

Like anything it says just goes.

And I'm like, sometimes she'll, you know, she'll be like, I have a headache and she goes and ChatGPT, it's like it says I have an aneurysm.

I'm like, you should maybe just calm down.

I'm like, it's not, it's not always right.

I wanted to ask you about because I've heard you talk about this before and this you you referenced this earlier ecstatic mass human emotion, right?

So this is, this is I guess, like music, like performance politicians, like this is kind of how they put you in a trance, I guess, right?

Something like that.

Rallies, Rallies.

One OK, so why?

I have a a friend who was voted the sexiest man alive in 1988 by People magazine.

His name?

Is Harry.

Hamlin.

Harry Hamlin.

Oh yeah, I remember him.

So, yeah, so he was in LA law and and Harry was friends with Ivana Trump and Ivana Trump told him.

You guys think that Donald Trump doesn't read books?

You're wrong.

He keeps two books next to his bedside table and he reads something from one of them every single night.

Now, what are those books?

Mein Kampf and Hitler's collected speech.

No way really.

Yes.

The speeches maybe make sense.

So one of the things he's learned from Hitler is the art of the rally.

Yeah, I mean, he does them.

Nobody does them better than him.

Right.

And there you create group ecstasies.

That's I mean, you could see it in the Hitler rallies more clearly and you could see it in the Donald Trump rallies.

He would get, he would go ecstatic and you're a very different person once you've gone ecstatic than what I call the gods inside of you take total control and dance you as if you were a puppet.

And, and, and the audience feeds that flame that's roaring through you and that flame that's roaring through you feeds the audience and they go ecstatic too.

You can see this work.

And it's a great way to standardize a belief system because people go ecstatic in that belief system.

And then it's as if they've been, they've been melted like steel and then they've congealed again in a new form.

And, and the bonding with the person who's running those rallies is extraordinary.

So you see these kind of ecstatic rituals.

Every concert is an ecstatic ritual.

You walk in you're, I'm talking about rock concerts.

I'm not so sure about Vivaldi, but.

I'm sure it was probably for the time was something similar.

Well, they didn't have concert venues back in the days of Vivaldi.

You would play your music at some aristocrats court and and people would pay attention if they wanted to and they'd keep on talking if they didn't want to.

You didn't have the ritual of a whole bunch of seats facing a central point and everybody focusing on that point together.

That was a ritual.

Well, they'd had auditoriums back in the days of, oh God, around 400 BC, there had been auditoriums in Greece, but auditoriums were a middle class invention and in the West, and they came up about 17, fifty, 1800 or so.

And then once you had auditoriums, then you could have the ritual of going into a room where all the seats are focused on one central point.

And So what happens to you in those rituals is you walk in very self aware.

You want the people on either side of you and the people behind you to think you're cool.

So and then you take your seat and you still want the people behind you to think you're cool.

And then the the house lights go down and the stage lights go up.

And the actors, they're not actors.

The rock musicians take to the stage.

And if something weird happens to you over the course of the next 10 minutes, if that star knows his stuff and you lose all of that sense of performing for the people around you and the people behind you, and all of a sudden you were swept up in the performance of the entertainer.

And if an audience gets off was the term that was used when I first got into the rock'n'roll business.

So if the audience gets off, their energy will go through those rock performers, especially the guy or the woman at center stage, and it will.

And that person will have an out of body experience.

The performer will have an out of body experience and the energy of the audience will pour through her or him.

I mean, it does with Joan Jett, astonishingly, and will go up somewhere around your head and be utterly transmogrified and pour back down through you to the audience again.

And it's an astonishing experience.

And so I was hunting for this kind of thing and when I was 16 and.

What are you interested in when you were just like, you know?

I think it was.

I'm not sure of this, but I think it was because I read a biography by the Lomax brothers.

The Lomax brothers took a very primitive, huge tape recording device and strapped it into the trunk of their car and went touring down South and tried to find every form of folk music that they could find.

And especially they found black soul music.

And when they were describing black soul music, they were describing a kind of ritual so different than what I experienced when my parents were able to drag me to synagogue that it was ridiculous.

The synagogue was set up with these pews, you know, rows up and rows of benches.

And you had a everybody had a stand up in order to let you pass their knees to get to a middle seat on one of these pews.

And then you were trapped there for an hour and a half or two hours.

And you stood up on the rabbi said to stand and you sat down when he told you to sit.

And you recited when he told you to recite, you sang when he when he told you to sing.

And it was a totally dispassionate ceremony.

There was no passion.

I I used to when I was a kid, I used to literally leave and go play floor hockey in the parking lot.

And I, I used to pick up, you know, there are books in front of you.

The backs of the pews are book racks and nobody read those books.

But I picked them up.

They were the Bible.

So I started reading the Bible and I my impression was that I read the Bible from cover to cover 7 times doing these things.

Boredom.

Yeah, but it was fascinating.

The Bible was amazing stuff.

If my parents had known what those books in front of them said, they would have been horrified.

Mass murder, I mean, ethnic cleansing, all of the genocide.

All these things are in the Bible, for God's sakes.

But at at any rate, so I was in high school.

I was very unpopular in high school.

Very.

And so I obviously wasn't going to be elected to any popularity position.

I wasn't going to be elected class president, class vice president, while only woman could be elected class secretary in those days, and the most popular Jew in the class was always elected as last treasurer.

I wasn't going to make it into any of those positions.

But they also had functional positions, positions where you have to actually do something.

And they had this thing called the program committee and the kids elected me the president or the chair of the program committee, the PRO.

The school started every day with a 45 minute assembly in the auditorium.

350 kids assembled and the head of the program committee program two of those assemblies a week and MC Ed, all five of them.

So one day in my senior year, the juniors came to me and they said we're having a dance, could you please advertise it there?

I was on stage in front of the whole school every morning, five days a week, So and they didn't realize the irony of what they were asking for because I don't know how to dance.

My parents sent me to a whole year of dance classes and none of the girls would dance with me.

And once they learned their lessons, the instructors wouldn't dance with me out of pity either because I would crush their toes.

I simply couldn't do it.

And now they were asking me to advertise a dance.

So I went on stage.

I first I put a piece of music on the turntable.

I have no idea of what it was and I stood there in front of the audience and I started improvising like a madman.

Since I can't dance, I did my own whatever dance came out.

Of you have to just solo up there by yourself, just start dancing.

Yep.

And sounds like a nightmare.

Well, it it must have looked like a Looney Tune drawn on a night when Chuck Jones, the guy who drew all the Looney Tunes, had dropped acid.

It was crazy.

It was insane.

So I saw the the I saw the eyes of the girl who hated me most in the school.

I saw her pupils dilating.

I saw her eyes growing wide.

I saw her face melting.

And then I looked and saw all the other people were going through the same thing.

And so their energy course through me.

I had an out of body experience.

I felt I was on the ceiling watching this whole thing happened.

I watched as this energy came pouring through me and up to my head and down back to the audience again.

It was extraordinary.

And when I finished the the crowd did something so skillfully that it looked as if they had practiced it all their life and in fact they had never done it before.

In my experience in that school, they thronged down to the lip of the stage, they picked me up, they put me on their shoulders, and they carried me out of the auditorium and all the way up to the building where we had our classes.

And only then did they let me down.

And nothing like it.

I was there for four years.

Nothing like it ever happened again.

Nothing like it ever happened before.

So essentially that happened.

You're like whatever that was.

I need to know how to do that.

Well, the weird good thing is it took me 40 years to realize Bloom, you idiot, you had that out of body experience.

You had that ecstatic experience that you were seeking and you didn't even know it.

But Danny, what it did for me is that when I was working with KISS or Queen or Run DMC or any of the major bands, I knew what they were going through on stage and nobody else in the field did.

Yeah, nobody else knew.

And it was the ecstatic experience that I was I had been searching for.

So I ended up doing 20 years in the 20 years of field work in the ecstatic experience with the people at the very top of it, Michael Jackson, Prince, Bob Marley, etcetera.

Yeah, I mean, I'm a comedian and you know, they're like you talk about energy and there is there's this weird thing that happens sometimes at stand up comedy shows where it's, it's almost the reverse of that where just you get on, you say one word or a comedian says one word and the place just instantly just hates that person.

And you're, and when you're the comedian, you're like, I don't know what I did, but the energy in the room is just like decidedly so negative or it starts like that and you just you can't undo it sometimes.

But like there is this like energy component sometimes, like comedians will talk about this all the time where you're like just the energy was so weird and you just sometimes cannot reverse it.

And there's a status component.

I stood backstage at a comedy club one night because I'd been asked to.

I forget to do what?

Probably recite something.

But at any rate, it was an amazing experience to stand backstage at the lip of the stage because you watch a perfectly normal person when he was behind the curtain, sort of walk out.

Wait, hang on.

What's this?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

From Alabama.

It's.

Scam.

Like scam likely.

Yeah.

So at any rate, and you watch as he goes on stage and suddenly is naked in front of that crowd and has to gain control of that crowd in the 1st 5 seconds.

He has to make it clear that he is the master and that the audience are the subservience.

And that's a tricky thing to do, and you have to be brave as hell to do it.

Yeah, well, bravery, we always joke, is whenever like people will be like, man, you must be so brave to do comedy and go, yeah, bravery was the first few years.

Now we're insane, Now we're just.

Now we're not.

I was going in front of an audience for two years straight, every day, first thing in the morning.

The first three months I was terrified.

I had stage fright beyond belief but by the 4th month, hey walking out and talking to 350 people, sure it's an automatic.

Just normal so let's talk about your book let's talk about your book because you wanted to talk about that it it's out now it's.

Yeah, the book is out now.

You can get it on Amazon.

It's the case in Sexual Cosmos.

Everything you know about nature is wrong.

OK, so I don't know a ton about nature but I guess what even that is is wrong and this has a lot to do with I guess like mating and things like that have to have to do the.

Way the lens we look through nature or I mean through to to see nature.

We are told that nature that that humans are a cancer on the planet and that we have destroyed nature.

Only Greta says that.

And and Greta and and the deep.

Yeah, a lot of a lot of the.

A bunch of people so and they implied that if only we got rid of humanity, nature would go back to being a Garden of Egypt Eden.

Nature would go back to being a petting zoo.

Well, I got news for you.

Nature has never been a petting zoo.

Nature is violent, fierce and and creative, but creative in highly destructive ways.

And so 99.9% of all the species whoever lived have been killed off by guess whoa, Mother Nature.

These mass extinctions happened long before humans arrived on the planet.

And when it comes to climate change, this planet, when it first congealed 4.5 billion years ago, was a poison pill of stone, and it was the mother of all climate catastrophes.

It whizzled around its axis every six hours, which means that for three hours you had something poisonous, light, because light is destructive for life.

And for three hours you had something equally poisonous, darkness.

And every three hours the temperature would go up 88° when the sun was shining on you, and then would plunge down 88° when the sun was not shining on you anymore.

Plus, it had a tilt to its axis.

So when so it was going around the sun, it had four major climate changes, big climate changes every year it had.

We call them summer, winter, fall, and spring.

And we have commodified them.

In other words, they become things in our lives we pay only a modest amount of attention to.

We don't realize these are climate changes, for God's sakes.

And if you look at the historical record, there have been so many mass extinctions.

There have been about 142 mass extinctions.

That's nature.

That's before the invented tailpipe and smokestacks and all the things that environmentalists are upset about.

We've had so many ice ages, it's ridiculous.

We've had so many global warming, far more intense than the global warming we seem to be going into today, that it makes our global warming look insignificant by comparison.

155,000,000 years ago we had dinosaurs living at the South Pole.

We had tropical plants living at the South Pole.

There was no polar ice.

That's nature.

That's a manifestation of nature.

That radical shift from what scientists call greenhouse to ice house.

I mean, there was a point at which the planet was encrusted with ice over a half a mile thick even at the equator.

So, and that's nature.

So we have to, we have to prepare for the neck.

There is going to be a major global warming with us or without us.

If it's not a global warming, it's going to be a major Ice Age.

And we have to be prepared for both.

And we have to stop concentrating on flagellating ourselves and and giving the impression that if we only sacrificed our technologies to nature, nature will be the pettings that we talked about before.

We have to get rid of that concept and instead we have to start seeking climate stabilization technologies.

Now are sorry, I was just going to cut you, sorry to cut you off, but so are you kind of in line with Elon Musk or we need to go to Mars?

Because he.

He.

Seems like it's a it's a doom scenario essentially where we're going to have no.

Choice, but to Yeah, I I don't look at it from a doom point of view.

We don't need to do it because we're about to kill ourselves off on Earth.

We need to do it because we're built that way.

We are built as explorers.

We are built to take advantage of every single niche we can, not just on behalf of us, but on behalf of life.

Danny, if I put you on Mars, that would mean I have a whole ecosystem on Mars because 10% of your cells are you and 90% of your cells are not you.

They're colonies like megacities, megalopolises of bacteria.

And they're living in your gut and they're living in your skin and they're living all and they're garrisoning your throat against invaders and they're.

So I'm putting up hundreds of species living together in a synergistic, not exactly harmony because there is no harmony, but just if I put you on Mars.

So what we're doing, I mean, what is life using US for?

Life has been mounting space programs for the last two 2 billion years.

And 1st bacteria dared come to the land and set up shop here.

Now look, let's look at this from imagine you are one of these, one of the bacteria in the city.

And, and I, I'm a rebel bacteria.

And I tell you that the earth only covers or the ocean only covers 70% of the land on this earth.

And then there's 30% that's land, it's rock, it's barren stuff.

And you and I want to go live there.

And you would say you're crazy, you can't live there.

I mean, look at the light.

The light will kill you.

Look at the darkness.

The darkness will kill you.

Look at rain.

Rain will wash you away.

Look at storms.

Look at wind.

And there's nothing to eat up there.

There's absolutely nothing to eat.

And you would, if you were an environmentalist, you would say, look, the city is our home.

And it gives us everything we need.

It gives us food.

It gives us shelter.

There's no way we should leave ever.

Because you could take that energy that you're planning to use to live on that impossible land which will kill you in minutes.

Take that energy and and use it to uplift the poor and the downtrodden here in the sea.

Don't you dare go on land.

Well, guess what?

Bacteria took to the land and and they thrived, and then plants and animals took to the land.

These are all space programs going from the sea to the land.

And today there's 80 times more biomass of life on land than there is in the sea, even though the sea is 70% of the Earth's service.

So this this gamble on a massive space program paid off big time.

And I can show you many other space programs because nature's most basic law is gravity.

Nature exalts in having life break her laws and especially the law of gravity.

Nature constantly is mounting programs to go up.

I mean, Once Upon a time there were green, green plants growing on the land were benefiting from these extraordinary new technologies, extraordinary new inventions, these solar panels that would take the rays of the sun, that would take wiggles and God knows what.

I mean, these infinite, these ephemeral things called photons and would turn them into energy sources in a chemical system, which is a big, big leap for the technologies of plants.

That's photosynthesis.

So, and plants also had invented lignan and cellulose.

And with lignan and cellulose, they built these things we call stems.

We take them for granted.

No, those were a major technological breakthrough.

I mean, the first plants on the land were only two inches high.

This was a radical change.

And this was a big fuck you to gravity.

But it wasn't the ultimate fuck you to gravity because another group of plants took this lignin and cellulose and built it into something that seemed useless at 1st.

And with this useless stuff, they were able to go 30 to 130 feet high and they were able to capture the sunlight before any of the plants on the land could get it.

So they won the sunlight race by mounting this huge space program that was a massive fuck you to gravity to nature's most basic law.

We call those things that were so obstreperous and audacious trees.

And when we think of nature, trees is what we think of.

Yeah, yeah, exactly so.

So Nature gets a high off of fucking herself.

Nature gets a high out of break out of breaking her own rules and doing the impossible.

Because Nature's job, in fact, is to explore the realm of the impossible and to yank new impossibilities into the realm of the real.

So are you sorry?

Finish that.

Finish that thought.

It was just answer the realm of the real in the ordinary.

Ah, gotcha.

So and so are you, you know, these climate events.

Do you think these are?

How often do these generally happen?

These like severe climate changes essentially.

The really big severe ones, every 28.5 million years, the ones that was made major die offs.

But that's not entirely true because there are many cycles inside of that.

We had a period 11,000 years ago that we are living in an Ice Age formally, that this is an Ice Age that we're living in.

And the Ice Age was a real Ice Age, you know, with glaciers and things like that, down to Ohio.

We were living in that state until 11,000 years ago.

And 11,000 years ago we caught a climb, the break.

And that's when we invented agriculture.

Although in this book I show you that agriculture is a matter of plants figuring out how to employ us.

That's kind of Michael Pollan, I believe.

Yeah, Michael.

Pollan took that idea too.

You got it.

Yeah, Yeah, I heard him.

He, he was using it in reference to marijuana, essentially that, that that's like the reason why we smoke marijuana is because marijuana essentially used us to cultivate it because it was, it was essentially like, here's something.

Yeah, agriculture.

We we we give plants the land, the kind of soil that suits them best.

We stave off predators so they don't have to worry about predators anymore.

We remove competing plants.

We call them weeds.

We try to create a paradise for the plants and the plants.

If you doubt that the plants have suckered us into this, look at 125 million years ago.

125 million years ago, plants invented this process of suckering another species into serving.

Plants were sexual, and that meant that they produce pollen and they would let loose the pollen and it would go on the wind.

And that meant that for every two million pollen grains, maybe one would reach another plant of your species.

Those were very low odds.

That was that sex.

That was highly wasteful sex.

And then insects, these things that had mounted their own space program 350 million years ago and take them to the skies.

These insects came to the plants to plunder their excess juices and to eat their pollen.

And the plants figured out in biological form they did this.

Hey, what if we employ these insects?

What if we sucker them in to landing on us?

We get them addicted to just our kind.

And then if we get them addicted to just our kind, they will fly off with our pollen to another plant like us and it'll simplify the sexual process.

We'll go from spreading everything to the wind and taking our chances to Federal Express correct delivery.

And they did it.

They they did it by making extra nectar for the insects and making pollen that was attractive.

And and building shapes in the case of orchids, in which you you to get to the nectar, you had to crawl through walls of pollen so the pollen would coach your whole body.

Most plants don't go to those extremes, but they do put up these massive displays in order to attract the insects and, and those displays we call flowers, they're billboards, They're marketing mechanisms to soccer flowers into this deal of direct express delivery instead of taking your chance on the wind.

So, so plants have done this before, interspecies commerce, They've invented interspecies commerce.

It's not a surprise they did it again 11,000 years ago.

But we're back to the question about climate.

So we came out of this Ice Age, we took advantage of roughly 1000 years of lovely weather to allow the plants to suffer us into agriculture.

And then came another Ice Age.

So these ice ages can come with relative frequency.

Usually when there is an interlude, like the interlude in which we have become human and built our societies, that's an interlude between ice ages.

And normally those interludes last only 10,000 years.

So we're 11,000 years.

We're 1000 years overdue for another big Ice Age.

That's not great.

No, but so I'm fabricating climate stabilization technologies.

Let's take what we're doing with man made carbon dioxide, trying to get it out of the atmosphere and let's use that as a step toward climate stabilization technologies.

There's another one that I recommend in the book.

It's called space solar power.

You harvest solar power in space and you transmit it to Earth with a kind of harmless microwaves.

That this uses your cell phone.

That can transmit actual energy in that way.

Yep, can transmit energy.

And if you do that, I mean the, the sunlight up there when we put solar, like I was a big advocate of solar to what we call terrestrial solar, putting solar panels on the ground.

Back in 1981, I put together the first public service radio ads for space power for, I mean, for solar power with JY of Styx and, and he was the one to turn me on to it actually.

But then I became a fanatic.

And, but if, if when you lay out a solar farm, you've just killed an ecosystem and you have other problems.

There are these little things that, that interfere with your system.

They're called clouds and night so.

You're you're.

It's not practical everywhere.

No.

And your energy is very intermittent.

And the grid needs what's called base load power, power that's exactly the same, second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour.

Well, guess what produces that?

Harvesting solar power in space because you can capture the light of the sun 24/7, 724 hours a day up there and there are no interruptions, there are no clouds, there is no night up there and the power sources is so close to infinite it's ridiculous.

Far more than humanity will ever need.

So we have to end, if we develop that source space solar power, we can end the use of fossil fuels for power and transport.

And that's the major source of greenhouse gases produced by us.

But remember, sometimes greenhouse gases have been 200 to 2000 times what they are today.

And that because those were days before we existed, that was nature using those greenhouse gases to warm things up.

So dinosaurs could eat grass at the poles or eat trees if that's what they chose.

So we can take control of the climate.

When we talk about rolling the climate back to pre industrial levels, we don't realize it.

That's not, that's not nature.

That's us.

That's a human choice.

That's an anthropogenic choice, the very thing they hate.

Anthropogenic interferences with nature.

It's a big interference and if that's what we choose to do, then let's do it.

Yeah, yeah.

I, I, I want to change topics a little bit.

So I, I have a question, 'cause it's, it's for you, you see, obviously seem to be you're, you're a noted atheist, right?

You're now I have a question because you're, how old are you now?

8282 years old, right?

So does does the atheism the older you get Wayne in any way.

Well, for me, I mean, for most people it does, but it doesn't for me, not for you.

I will be saying fuck you to the way things are for the rest of my life.

I have two more books to write and that means I got to be around for at least another 10 years and I have to be fully, fully, you know, my brain has to be fully together to write those books.

So I can't afford senescence.

I can't afford old age.

So I walk 8 miles a day and that's the usual fuck you aging.

Because you have a crazy sleep schedule, right?

Yeah, because of that 15 year illness, to get out of it, I had to get very flexible and what the illness was telling me.

But I had him insomnia, crazy insomnia, and I had crazy hours.

I'd be up until 8:00 in the morning from from midnight to

8:00 in the morning.

You know, us techie people, when you're doing something like you're changing your operating system in your computer, that can take you 3 months of work, at least in the old days in in the 1990s, yeah, that's what it would take.

So you're, you end up being so fascinated with what you're doing that you totally miss your opportunity to go to sleep.

And I had this crazy insomnia.

So I finally flipped things, flipped my perceptions and said what if your body is trying to tell you something?

So I started listening to when my body really wanted to be awake and when it really wanted to be asleep.

Discovered that I couldn't sleep 8 hours at a time.

My body was not into that at all and broke my sleep schedule up into two 4 hour units and then fashioned or timed those units so they would come when my body most wants to sleep, which is

4:00 AM in the morning until 8:00 AM and 11:00 in the morning

until 3:00 and when I adhere to that schedule.

I've had no insomnia in the 27 years or so since I listened to my body.

Wow, do you ever just like get

tired at 10:00 PM kind of thing or you just.

I get tired, but I have all these these organic stimulants, Gorana, you know, most people drink coffee.

Gorana is my source of caffeine.

And what else works?

And what's this stuff called?

Well, I'm going to try this is the real deal.

This is phosphatidyl choline.

And then down here we have this thing called DHEA and it's a a mild steroid that you can get at the health food store.

So yes, I take a lot of these things so that I'm up and running to maximum capacity from the time I sit down to work,

which is around 6:00 until I knock off work, which is 12:30 because I got to go out and take my four mile walk.

Sure.

Wow.

You take a four mile walk at 12:30 AM.

At 12:30 at night and and my first walk is at 4:00 in the afternoon.

So I do 2 four mile walks today.

All right, I'm going to open the phone lines just because I imagine some people have some questions for you.

The phone lines are open 18889492969 if you have any questions for Howard.

So I have another question because you've been around for a while.

You're an atheist.

I don't know how much you track this, but so it seems like there's like a cyclicality in that people were more religious and then it seems like probably maybe in the 90s, atheism was like more in vogue.

And it seems like we're kind of coming back to more people who are like finding religious religion.

I'm wondering if you have any theories on that because I think about it but I don't have any reference for like why that might be.

Well, human, human culture is very cyclical.

And wait, let me get a drink of water because wait, we'll take a lozenge.

That's a better idea 'cause my throat is all of a sudden getting sore.

I.

Have a water too.

So there's the lozenge.

There's a lot of mystery to this, but the fact is that culture is cyclical, and it follows in general what evolutionary biologists call a fission fusion strategy.

First you come together in a clump and you condense, and then you go out and explore new territory in human society.

You can see it in the economy.

There are periods of exuberance and lots of people are willing to spend on speculation, speculation.

Speculation means somebody going out trying something that hasn't been dried before, and only one in a hundred of these things, maybe one in 1000, were.

And these periods of exuberance are followed by periods of fear.

During periods of exuberance, we've happily invest in all these speculative adventures because we're sure they're going to make us rich.

In times of depression, we get fearful.

We think that all of our investments are going to make us poor.

We stop making investments.

We come together and guess what we do in these depressed periods?

We consolidate the information we've learned from that period of discovery, that period of reaching out to discover new things.

For example, in 2008, we had the CD crisis.

You know, these new bonds were being issued documents that were based on the collateral of mortgages.

And people thought, well, real estate, that's the most solid investment you can have.

So if it's based on mortgages, then it's got to be solid.

And so first, these things ballooned while people were exuberant about them, and then they tanked when people were fearful about them.

And so during the period from 2008 to roughly 2010, we came up with ways to avoid this kind of thing.

And then we became an exuberant again.

I mean, people like Elon Musk are capable of doing what they're doing in large part because of the exuberance of their fellow human beings who are willing to invest in something.

Who are willing to invest in a guy who says he's going to do things in space and names his company SpaceX, who, as I said, has not even put a firecracker in a tin can.

Yeah.

So Elon Musk's SpaceX, which has now, I think it's around 600, it's launched the Falcon 9 roughly 600 times at this point.

It's launching rockets every two days.

It launches 3 rockets a week, which something humanity has never had before.

Not to have them return.

And yeah, and it has them return which makes them inexpensive enough to do this.

So we've reached out.

We've expanded our powers.

In this period of reaching out, we didn't have access ready access to space anymore.

Sending a thing up to space was a big deal that you did maybe at most several times a year with space shuttle.

Well, SpaceX is going to launch more rockets this year than the space shuttle launched in its entire duration.

That's ten years or something like that.

So and then, then people get fearful.

So religion goes through the same kind of waves.

People become, they feel a sense of empowerment and they are willing to be atheists because they don't think they need to cower at the feet of a God in order to defend them, protect themselves.

And then they get fearful and they go back to the the ecstatic feeling of being in contact with a God, and to the fearful feeling that really the environmentalists have more than anybody else right now, a feeling you need to constantly sacrifice.

Which isn't a real it's almost a religion in and of itself, The environmental.

Like it is that has become a religion and and it's not that everything it says is wrong, far from it.

But I have an article in the Journal of Space Philosophy that is derived from the case of the sexual cosmos.

And it shows you how entropy look.

The biggest con in science is the second law of thermodynamics.

It's a scam.

It's a highly successful scam because if you sit down with a group of scientists, as I do online all the time, they will lapse into talking about entropy as the most important thing in the universe.

Well, I demonstrated my book Entropy says that all things are falling apart constantly and that the universe will continue falling apart until it reaches a random state, like a random mist in space.

And that's called heat death.

And if you go looking for quotes on heat death, you'll find them from eminent scientists like Sean Carroll, who writes about physics for the masses and knows his physics.

And he has been bamboozled by entropy.

This idea that started in 1865 actually started in 1851, but it got its name in 1865.

So I show you how this idea is radically, incredibly false.

Because imagine, imagine you remember your sleep first slinky and putting it on the top of a staircase and then watching it go down and that gorgeous sound that it made.

If it was a metal slinky and the entropist imagined the universe to be a slinky going down a staircase constantly tumbling down.

Well, that's not the way the universe works.

If you took a video of that slinky going down the staircase and you ran it in reverse, that's the universe.

We live it.

I mean, we went from a nothing to a Big Bang.

A Big Bang was a rapidly unfurling sheet of space-time, and speed.

We went from just an unfurling sheet of space-time and speed to the very first things, quarks and leptons.

We went from quarks and leptons to threesomes of quarks.

And those threesomes of quarks weren't just threesomes of quarks, because they showed a whole property that you would never have predicted could have come from just reasons.

Of course it was neutron and proton.

The universe advanced and it was a plasma soup.

There was no such thing as a plasma soup before.

No such thing.

And that plasma soup eventually slowed down.

It was hot as hell and eventually slowed down, which means it cooled and it formed atoms.

Now is this the universe falling down a staircase of complexity constantly falling apart?

No, it's a universe constantly falling together in brand new ways that produce super sized surprises and material miracles.

Astonishments.

First atom.

What a fucking astonishment.

Yeah.

Who could have imagined such a thing?

The first swirl of atoms?

Amazing, according to entropy, if those atoms should be dispersing in a random mist.

No, Instead they come together and a giant social pattern.

A giant swirl.

And now would religious people say that that is proof of like an intelligent design kind of thing?

Yes, that's what they would say it's for.

There is God.

Yeah.

And I say I, I say that instead of the second law of thermodynamics, we should substitute the first law of flamboyance, which is the universe is constantly stepping up.

The universe is constantly breaking her own rules.

The universe is constantly reinventing herself.

Nature is constantly stepping up.

Nature is constantly breaking her own rules.

Nature is constantly reinventing herself.

Yeah.

All right, let's take some calls we have.

We have a bunch of calls on the line right now.

Give me one moment, please, and we'll get to, we'll try and get to all of you.

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Hello.

You're on low value mail with Howard Blue.

How's it going?

You're on with Howard.

Can you hear him OK?

All.

Right.

What's up?

What's up Howard, I just want to say a big fan.

Been reading your book since I was 13, dog.

Thank you.

And what's your thoughts on dog evolution?

Dog evolution.

Well, you know, there were these creatures that sort of looked like hyenas.

They're called hyena Dons, and they were around before the last great climate apocalypse, and they were very much like dogs.

But dogs.

What a con I mean.

Dogs have conned us in to eating them, taking them to the vet at a cost of $350.00 a shot.

Oh, mine's way more than that.

More.

Than that.

My my dog has had three hip surgery, 3 massive hip surgeries in the last two years.

And she's a German Shepherd.

No, it's a he.

He's a York.

He's a Yorkie poo.

He's a Yorkie and he has problems with his hips.

Yeah, he dislocated.

He dislocated both of his hips.

And, you know, we're in New York City, so you could not find a more expensive, like, like, you know, surgeon in the world maybe.

And the first procedure, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

On the East Side.

Cost of fortune.

First one didn't take, so we have to do a second.

It's crazy.

But dogs, I mean, we are.

I'm so grateful that we have dogs.

When when a photographer decides to take my walk through the park with me, what they notice is I'm heading dog after dog after dog after dog.

Why?

Because I I work in isolation.

I used to work in cafes and then because they would stay open

until 10:30 at night, sometimes 1:00 in the morning.

And then came COVID and now all the cafes close down at about

the time I start working at 5:00 in the afternoon or so.

And so I go take my walk through the park.

I've had every dog that is interested in me and I collect all of this unconditional love.

And that unconditional love carries carries me through my work day, when in fact I am alone in a bedroom, which I started to do because of COVID and because I don't.

I have no cafes these days, so I'm working in isolation and dogs are saving my life.

And it's.

Kind of like the bees and the plants and stuff.

Yeah, exactly.

So dogs worked out this very, very sweet honey pot with us and and they do us so much service just by giving us love that it defies belief and we don't even have words for it.

Unconditional love is the best I can come up with.

It's probably pretty well said.

Anything else Drew?

No, that's it man.

Thank you.

Cool.

Thanks, buddy.

That was Drew.

OK, let's try this one right here.

If not, we will move on down the list.

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Hello.

You're on low value mail.

Who are we speaking?

With good evening, Mr.

Danny.

Good evening, Mr.

Howard.

Hey, hey.

So is Dylan.

Hey, I was, I guess, a little unfamiliar with you, Mr.

Howard.

So I was kind of firstly checking your Wikipedia and I was looking at your early life.

Do you believe in physiognomy?

Physiognomy, You mean as in feeling the bumps in your head?

Sure.

I mean, you know, that was that turned out not to be an accurate way of reading a person's personality or brain.

And that became obsolete about 150 years ago.

Oh, and I was looking at your book.

I was kind of looking at some of your books.

One of them, The Lucifer Principle, it says social groups select genes and human psychological development.

So let's say hypothetically A.

Group.

Gets removed from a society about 110 times.

Do you think that group is being selected as evil?

Well, yes, group.

Look, there's a pecking order of groups, and some groups come out on top and some groups come out on the bottom.

And there is a traditionally somebody on the bottom that everybody is allowed to Peck at.

You know, in a pecking order, nobody can pack at chicken #1, the chicken on top.

But the chicken on top can pack at every anybody she wants.

Chicken #2 can pack at anybody she wants, with the exception of chicken #1.

Chicken #3 can Peck on everybody in the group with the exception of chicken #1 and chicken #2 and so on.

And and then so at the very bottom, there is chicken number there, there's the last chicken that they're collect.

We're getting some feedback from them.

Go ahead, you just finish your answer.

All right.

So that last chicken everybody can Peck on.

And traditionally for the last 2200 years, there's been a group of that sort.

I belong to it.

Me too.

Jews.

Yeah, me.

Too.

But then how are we on top?

Because wouldn't that be the opposite?

Because it seems like we're actually on top, right?

But yet we occupy the lowest rung in that scenario.

Oh, you mean a Jews?

Yeah, yeah, we are.

We're we.

The fantasy is that we control the world, sure.

And that I mean, I do, I don't.

Yes, right.

Don't you make every World War and.

Every economic.

Catastrophe.

Yeah, of course.

So that's the fantasy, and you would think that would make us #1 but it's a fantasy.

We make major contributions.

When Vienna took advantage of World War 2 to rid itself of all of its Jews, Vienna ceased to be a Cultural Center, producing anything new.

Having Jews in your population turns out to enrich your culture tremendously.

I mean, Albert Einstein, look at his contributions.

But there have been many of that sort of television.

We have television because of the work of Team William Paley and and several other Jews, the Jews who founded ABC, the Jewish guy at RCA, the head of RCA who founded it, NBC.

We there are all kinds of things that we that Hollywood was invented by Jews.

Yeah.

I mean, we wouldn't have the show right here.

Right.

The guy who wrote God Bless America and other songs that we consider to be absolutely quintessentially distillations of the American soul was Irving Berlin.

And Irving Berlin was a Jew who grown, who had been born in Russia.

Yeah, so my, my dad used to always point out when we were in the mall during Christmas time and he goes, you know, like every Christmas song is written by Jewish people.

Yeah, right.

And so we make our contribution, but especially now with the demonization of Israel we have we're once again being viewed as evil by anti semites.

Sure.

And aren't you, aren't you like kind of, not to change the topic, but aren't you kind of like persona non grata in like 17 Islamic countries?

Yes, I was put on.

I was put on the punishment list in 17 Islamic countries.

And then I got a call from Malaysia saying would you please put together a program for us on re perceiving leadership?

So I put together the program and I gave it in Kuala Lumpur.

And every single person in my audience, every single these, these were people at the vice presidential and presidential level of companies and every single one of them was Muslim.

And I loved them and they loved me.

And then the Minister of Development for Dubai read one of my books.

I mean, I was astonished.

And he went in front of the Arab Business and Economic Forum, which he had Co founded and said there's a book that contains the future of Dubai.

It's set by this author in New York named Howard Bloom.

It's called The Genius of the Beast, a radical revision of capitalism.

And he proceeded to read passages from the book.

And then the Sheikh who made Dubai what it is today, the city with the tallest building in the world.

The Sheik named one of his race horses the Beast after the genius of the Beast.

So I have.

Plus I have appeared over 40 times on Saudi and Iranian television.

And that is that since then, because this is due to you wrote a book, the Muhammad code, right?

Yeah, which I guess it's somewhat similar, I guess to drawing Muhammad where they just, they just don't want you talking about it.

Is that essentially what the deal is?

No, no, they, they originally brought me or tried to bring me onto Iranian television around 2004 and I kept refusing because.

Live via satellite or in person?

It's via satellite.

OK, then you you weren't accepting the flight.

It is in person in their studios, Yeah.

So in New York.

But at any rate, I kept refusing because Press TV is owned by the Iranian government.

The Iranian government wants you and me dead.

It wants to exterminate the Jews worldwide.

So and then they called and they said, would you be willing to talk about the Israel Lobby?

And it was.

This book called The Israel Lobby had just come out.

People were reading it all over the place.

I was furious.

I was absolutely furious.

The Israel Lobby, well, I did a whole lot of research on this, but I suspected this.

You're talking about like AIPAC, is that what?

Yeah, the Israel.

They've they've become, it's all over my Twitter.

Demon, they've been demon so and I, I love AIPAC so.

You're about you made like 10 of our viewers heads fucking just explode.

I well.

I discovered that for every man, woman and child in America, the Israel lobby spends a penny.

And if you Add all those pennies up, that's a lot of pennies, that's a lot of money.

But if you look at the money the Islam lobby spends, for every penny the Israel lobby spends, the Islam lobby spends $12.43.

Wow, but.

Walk into a candy store with a penny and what can you buy?

Nothing.

Walk into a candy store with $12.35 or $0.43 and what can you buy?

A hell of a lot.

And Ave.

K in Washington is a candy store.

The government is a candy store.

Government lobby is a candy store.

So the Israel lobby is a way of hiding the Islam lobby.

There are 58 Islamic countries and every single one of them has lobbyists in Washington.

And if you combine all of that money, I mean, look what Qatar alone has done, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, they bought the chair of the Middle East studies department in every major university, starting with Harvard.

And that means that Middle East studies departments no longer study the history of the Middle East.

They are now propaganda departments promoting the way of life, of promoting the ideas of groups like Hamas.

Outrageous.

Well, but you don't have to go to Hamas to get militant ideas.

Muhammad himself went through two phases.

He lived in his hometown of Medina for a long time, and a lot of his teachings come from that period.

And in that period, he said it's our job to get along with other people because he had to.

Then he fled from Mecca, his hometown, because he thought they were about to kill him, the Meccans.

And he fled to a small Jewish town where people have been friendly to him and and then he started raiding camel caravans.

His wife was the biggest entrepreneur in the camel caravan industry of Mecca.

She was amazing.

She had more wealth than all the other clans of Meccans combined.

And she had sent him on a camel caravan mission to Syria.

So he knew the caravan, the camel caravan business, and he decided to start hijacking camel caravans in order to pluck the wealth to get the money that the caravans were bringing back from Syria.

And the Jews who were housing him were unhappy, didn't like this, considered it immoral, and started writing poetry against it.

So he started killing one by one and he established what became a military state.

And it is said by 1 Islamic source that he won.

He started went on a path of conquest.

He commanded 65 military campaigns.

He personally LED 27 of them.

And it is said in Islam by Islamic experts that he conquered 300 square miles of territory a day a day.

And he said do not take prisoners until you have made great slaughter in the land, meaning basically do not let up on the people that you're conquering until you have terrified them through great slaughter in the land, until you've terrified them so much they will come crawling to your ankles begging, saying they will do anything if you just let them stay alive.

That's when you can take a place and make it thoroughly Islamic.

And they did that with, well, basically, the Arabs alone have a territory three times the size of the United States.

I mean I always think it's so weird how like Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim countries.

Yeah, well, some of that was done through conquest, some of it was done through trade.

One way or the other, The Islamic Empire is the longest lasting empire of its kind in the world.

It's and it the the British Empire was the same size but only lasted about 300 years.

The Muslim Empire has lasted 1400 years at this point.

It's got staying power.

Plus the Arabs, long before, 400 years before Muhammad came along, the Arabs invented something very clever.

They invented the black slave trade.

They discovered that there was lots of ivory and lots of gold in Africa.

But the most important thing you could do is capture human beings.

And they worked out deals with the with the most extremist warrior chiefs to go out and conquer other villages and bring me the people.

And then we'll take the people to to Middle East, the Middle East, and we will sell them as slaves.

And they had this massive slave trade that went from 2 roughly 200 AD until the Saudis finally outlawed slavery in 1962.

Wow.

Very, very, very, very progressive of them.

The slave, The Muslim slave trade in black lives was 10 times the size of the slave trade that the West had, which was monstrous.

Absolutely monstrous.

But the West invented something the Muslims never did.

They invented an anti slavery movement in roughly 1750 and by 18-O2 slavery had been outlawed in Britain.

Yeah.

No other civilization on the face of this earth has ever invented an anti slavery movement.

Yeah, I think I've heard that.

There's a question from the chat.

I don't, I don't.

You might know what this is.

I don't.

But it says the Nazis literally are said to have used the idea of ubermensch from the spoke Zath Zarathustra.

And you praise in your book the idea of the Super Organism.

And then it says, how is your relationship with Alex Karp, which I imagine you don't know who that is.

But I don't know who Alex Karp is.

Who is Alex?

He's the CEO of Palantir Wow company.

Yeah, no, I certainly do.

So at any rate, OK, what was the question again?

Something about the Super Organism, the.

Ubermensch.

OK, so Les Sparks Zarathustra, when I was 16 years old, was an extraordinarily important book in my life.

I resonated to its frequency, but it was not Nietzsche's Ubermensch was not a person who went out and slaughtered other tribes.

Muhammad was a person who went out and slaughtered other tribes.

And the Ayatollahs and Iran have bragged about it.

They've said Islam has been forced to slaughter many a tribe to exterminate many a tribe in order to keep Islam pure.

It's a horrible thing to say, but that was not the Ichi's idea at all.

Ichi's idea was about attaining a Nietzsche said most men live in the valleys because that's where it's safe.

But when you live in a valley, in the morning you do not see the sun.

You're in the shadow of the mountains.

And then briefly at noon you see the sun, and then the sun is shaded by the mountains on the other side, and you're you live in shade.

The Uber mesh climbs the mountain and dances with exhilaration on the mountaintop.

That was the Uber Ranch idea, not Hitler's utterly ghastly idea.

Sure.

Let's take another call here.

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This is this has been great.

I've been really looking forward to this.

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Hello.

You're on low value male.

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You're speaking with Jake from Detroit.

Jake from Detroit, What's going on, man?

How you guys doing tonight?

Very well, how are you?

I'm doing fantastic.

I had a question for your Jeff Howard.

Yeah, go ahead.

So I really liked his concept of how the plants use us as a mechanism for their success and their survivability.

And I was I was curious on how he perceived the the start of man and how he came to be on this planet.

Particularly I was curious about how so many types of human existed in remote places that, you know, relatively the same time you had like, you know, the aboriginals of Australia who were isolated geographically from like the the men of Africa who we were told that we came from.

Are you on speaker?

Hey, are you on speakerphone?

You're kind of like in and out, Yeah.

Can you?

Can you hear me?

Now.

Yeah, much, much better.

Yeah.

Much better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Continue, Jake.

Oh, OK.

So pretty much I was trying to pretty much asked the question of how do we as humans migrate from Africa?

Yet we have such a, a, a geographic distance between each other and our locations.

And we have like, you know, how can I say this in a, in a more robust way, We have, we, we pretty much have humans who were isolated from each other.

Well, what we're discovering now in early human evolution is that there were many human species, many, I mean, we knew about the Denisovans.

Now we've discovered another one that was reported this week.

We're discovering these different species all over the place.

And because of presumably their their roots were in Africa and because of isolation, they were able to develop qualities that were different from the qualities of the other human groups.

I was going to say around them, but they weren't really around them at a distance.

And one of the greatest mysteries to me is that homonyms, early humans, pre humans migrated from Africa all the way to China a million years ago.

That's a very long time ago.

And how in the world did they do it?

And what were those humans the the Chinese are getting?

The Chinese are now producing more major scientific articles than we are.

They've been doing that for the last three years and they are actively looking into questions like this.

But so how so far?

I mean, when I was doing the research for the the case of the sexual cosmos, I got varying dates on when fire was introduced.

Fire was apparently used intermittently about a million years ago, 800,000 years ago came into general use when it came into general use.

It came into general use pretty much across for humans all across the planet, well across the the EUR Asian continent.

And how that happened, this parallel evolution of the use of fire is a question, a mystery.

And who those humans were that were inhabiting China?

And were those proto humans the ancestors of the modern Chinese?

And you know about there's a small island off the coast of of China in the Pacific that that had its own species of humans and they were half the size of normal humans.

They were like little hobbits.

So we're just beginning to look into questions like this in science these days.

And then the question, how about humans got consciousness and the ability to speak?

That's a real big mystery, and fossils are not going to help us with that.

Very.

Much Terence McKenna said that we ate mushrooms, monkeys ate monkeys ate mushrooms.

Right.

And he said if it wasn't us, it would have been raccoons.

I see.

If it wasn't monkeys, raccoons could have eaten mushrooms and they would have been.

Conscious.

Yeah, I don't think the the mushrooms do the trick.

Did something?

It's something about the tripling of the size of the brain.

That too.

Terence McKenna.

Was so Howard, I was going to ask you, do you?

Do you believe that the Native Americans?

Are a distant relative of the Chinese.

Yes, they are.

But they're, they're actually a distant, they're not not a distant relative of the Chinese as we know them today, which are the Han Chinese, who are tremendously racist.

It is.

They are related to the Siberians who because because the Siberians would make it back and forth on the passage between Russia, between Siberia and and North America.

Yeah, which makes sense because they look similar, like they Inuit in Canada, like they look obviously Asian.

Right.

Yeah.

So it doesn't make sense.

Well.

Thank you for taking my question.

Thank you for taking my question, Howard.

My, my final question.

Well, I guess it would be more of like a statement, but I feel like you kind of reaffirmed it was, I personally believe and I, I had no proof for this, but I personally believe that humanity started in multiple places at the same time, potentially because we have so many remote groups of people that I just, I mean, we didn't have when, when was the first boat invented?

You know, I mean, and you have people located in Australia, like you said, the Pygmies or people in, you know, Papua New Guinea.

And I just, I don't know how we could have migrated from there unless like humans existed in a time before continental drift.

But I've always assumed that we did not exist in that time.

So we didn't exist in that.

Time.

These are big puzzles and and good questions and we don't have the answers yet.

We think we have a lot of them, but we were really at the beginning of looking at all of these different species of humans.

Yeah.

All right.

Thanks, Jake.

Thank you guys.

Take care, Jake, everybody.

All right, let's take another call here, although this one is and we're going to.

So where's we're going to wrap up very shortly, Where?

Where's the best place people can find you, find your books, just your website.

Just the best thing to do is go to Amazon and type in Howard Bloom and it'll give you all eight of my books.

But if you want more information, go to howardbloom.net or Howard Bloom.

All one word dot institute.

Howard bloom dot Institute.

And, and you're doing your thing in your live event in New York coming up.

Yes, we're we're trying to set the date now.

OK, cool.

I'll I'll whatever it is, if I don't have stand up that night, I will be there.

That's good.

Wonderful.

Yeah, I'll be there.

You know what?

We're just going to wrap it up here because the last caller, for whatever reason, cannot unmute themselves.

I don't know why they can't figure it out.

So that's been the show.

Thank you very much, Howard.

We did.

We did an hour and a half.

That was great.

It's been a pleasure.

I've been looking forward to this for weeks.

I appreciate you coming on.

Shout out to Gerard, our producer, for letting me know about you.

I appreciate it very much.

All right, take care everybody.

New episode of The Bath House tomorrow night 9 PMI will see you there.

Good night.

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