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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Parenting Today's Teams, a daily podcast that provides stories, insights, and wisdom to help you as a parent in a deeper relationship with your team.

[SPEAKER_01]: On today's Q&A episode, Mark Greggston answers the most pressing questions that you're asking about your team.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's listen in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, thanks for joining us.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's always interesting to me the number of questions that come in and how they kind of line up with one another.

[SPEAKER_00]: I received five questions that are all about 17 your olds that are quickly turning 18 years of age.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to make sure that everybody understands where I'm coming from when I talk about 17, age 17.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to me that you can be 17 and 365 days and you're just one day away from being able to get married, serve in the military, enter into a contract and you're considered an adult, you can vote, you can do a number of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's also 17 that is just [SPEAKER_00]: 17 years in one day and there's a big gap in between the two.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have more of a tendency to treat a 17 year old like they're headed out the door pretty quick and they ought to be able to step up.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ought to become independent.

[SPEAKER_00]: They ought to have some direction, some motivation, and if they don't, then it's really [SPEAKER_00]: kind of our role was parents to create the environment that helps the child get to the point where they can become independent, whether that's 364 days away or one day away, that there is something that we've got to be doing to prepare our kids to survive in the jungle and to be able to function on their own without being connected to mommy and daddy all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are you following me?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean to say that harsh, [SPEAKER_00]: I just mean to say it in such a way that people truly understand that what we've got to be doing is preparing our kids and training our kids for the next step in life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is what becomes important.

[SPEAKER_00]: So here are the questions that we're going to be talking about today.

[SPEAKER_00]: One, [SPEAKER_00]: Mom writes in and said, my son recently turned 18.

[SPEAKER_00]: He comes from a traumatic background.

[SPEAKER_00]: Many of his responses and decisions are like a 14, 15 year old.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's now on adult.

[SPEAKER_00]: She says that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have two rules to show respect, do your responsibilities, but he's refusing all of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: recently he hit his developmentally delayed brother and he won't go to school but the mom goes on to say we home school and and I went to know but my comments about home school we home school all the kids are heart-light for those who don't know I live with 65 high school kids that come from all over the country and we home school them with teachers and online school [SPEAKER_00]: But we don't isolate them from the world that they're going to be living in.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so anyway, this mom is saying, what should I do?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's also expressed that if I say, I'm gonna have you leave or live in an apartment, somewhere else in the house, then I feel like you're giving up on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So do I ask him to leave or do I allow him to stay?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the next question is this, that I share a lot of things with my child, and she turned to run and uses them against me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess my question is, what is more important?

[SPEAKER_00]: Disclosure on my side of the street or partial disclosure, monitoring what is safe for her to know as far as a mom's personal mistakes, so she doesn't use it against her later.

[SPEAKER_00]: Great question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's somebody else's.

[SPEAKER_00]: My 17-year-old daughter is starting her senior year in high school once she was diagnosed with [SPEAKER_00]: major depressive disorder and anxiety after a suicide attempt.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's currently at the point where she doesn't want to get out of bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's only the sixth day of school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yet I have no idea of how to motivate her or parent her at this time.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she doesn't know why she's sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is engaged in counseling on anti-depressants.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a wonderful question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's somebody else at rights in it says I don't know what to do my 17 year old son almost 18 has no driver motivation for anything I've taken away as electronics before and it makes no difference I'm worried about him do you have any advice guess I do I'll do it to you here in just a minute and the next question is this.

[SPEAKER_00]: My 17-year-old struggles with anxiety and depression, which manifest itself into impulsive and self-destructive behaviors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Her dad and I have a difficult time knowing when to step in and help her and when to let natural consequences.

[SPEAKER_00]: happen any advice on this?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do have some advice for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get to the first question that I think is important and I think it's it's so important because all of us go through a time where we say my child is not ready for the world that's going to be living then and we have to intentionally say, how do I prepare my child to function in this world which may mean [SPEAKER_00]: that I have to cut some of those apron strings, the umbilical cord.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to cut off things in a way so that they become more response.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's start learning about life as they're going to be living that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because if not, I'm going to have a child that's either in the military and they're going to grow up or they're going to have a job and continually be dependent on mommy and daddy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because it sounds childish, doesn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I hear an 18-year-old say mommy or daddy, it sounds childish to me as opposed to mom, dad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And my point of it is, is sometimes the reflection of their expression really indicates their level of maturity.

[SPEAKER_00]: So here's a mom who said, my son just turned 18.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's refusing everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's insulting in name calling.

[SPEAKER_00]: He constantly jumps in when I'm disciplining younger children.

[SPEAKER_00]: He punched his younger brother.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to do, but yet because he's had a traumatic background and adopted.

[SPEAKER_00]: And was in foster care, his decisions were like a 14 or 15 year old.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've even said, hey, look, I'll turn a storage room or a garage in our home into an apartment for you, but he feels like that it wouldn't help at all, and he continues to be disrespectful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's the thing, you know, mom, you have a predicament.

[SPEAKER_00]: you're going on, which is along the same lines.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can continue to act like a 14 or 15-year-old B-18 be abusive to other people, but that's just out of line.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what happens is that we have a tendency to want to protect our kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so let me use this example.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we homeschool our kids to protect them from the big bad world out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the problem, our kids are gonna have to live in that big, bad world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if conflict is a precursor to change, we want our child to change and grow up in mature and become independent.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've got to have exposure to some of the rejection and the difficulties in the hardship and learn the hard way how the world really is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of isolating them and not giving them the opportunity for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then throwing them out there, thinking that they have all the skills and the relationships around them to function.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know this that kids learn from other kids, just as iron sharpens iron, social one man sharpen the other.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if we keep kids from engaging with other kids, or they become just socially isolated.

[SPEAKER_00]: into these small groups what happens is they don't get to experience the world that they're going to live in eventually.

[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes they have a very difficult time or they resort to bizarre behavior to gain the attention or affection of other people because they long to have relationships.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now don't please don't come back and say, wow, you're you're just saying stuff against homeschooling.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying anything about homeschooling.

[SPEAKER_00]: We homeschool the kids here at Heartlight.

[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the other part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to know that a third of our kids that come and live with us over the last 35 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: A third of them have been homeschooled.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that it's bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean a third of them have been adopted.

[SPEAKER_00]: a third of them, or Southern Baptist.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I joke about that a little bit, but it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so my, it's not that I'm against those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all good things, but you have to look at what's happening to some of those kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now you have a young man that feels like it's okay to punch a little brother, that's not okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can get arrested for that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would let him know, you touch anybody else.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will have you arrested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then that sound kind of strong, but I'd rather have him serve some time and juvenile detention or have a sheriff or policeman show up and scare the daylights out of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Telling him, you can't be beating up on people.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't verbally abuse people.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know why?

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause that's gonna get you killed one day.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do the things in public that you're doing at home and that's the predicament.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would sit down with your son and say, [SPEAKER_00]: I want you to tell me what you think I ought to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are a young man, you're an adult.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yet you're acting like a little kid, like a 14 or 15-year-old.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the only way to get them out of acting like a 14 or 15-year-old is give them 18-year-old experiences, or they get to learn the hard way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it may be sane.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to tell me what you think I ought to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is your deal, not mine.

[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the rules.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't do these rules, then you can't live here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not my desire.

[SPEAKER_00]: And what you do is put all the responsibility back on your son.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you hit any of your brothers or sisters, I'm calling the police.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that sounds strong, doesn't it?

[SPEAKER_00]: but it helps a child realize you can't use physical force on anybody and get by with it in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you verbally abuse anybody within our home, including me and don't show respect, then you can't live here and you're choosing to leave.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are choosing that, not me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't do any responsibilities around there, then you can't live here either.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's come up with a plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: about how you're supposed to move on with your life and get to a better place.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's the other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he's developmentally delayed, I would have him tested to see what his IQ is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just say that just because the comment you make here is that he's come from a traumatic background, but the traumatic background can't continue to be an excuse [SPEAKER_00]: for inappropriate behavior, this is going to get him into trouble in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it may soften you the way you approach him, but he's now on a dog.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to make some good choices.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the second question is this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody says, he thinks for what you do with parents and kids, but here's my question.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to be or there should be so honest with my kids and with my daughter in particular because she is very narcissistic and she manipulates anything that I tell her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna assume that she's an older child because you're saying she's narcissistic.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't really find narcissists at 15 or 16.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all just made that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're consumed with themselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the thing, I would sit down and talk to her and say we just need to have a talk and on these talks whenever I mention go have a talk with your child, go get some ice cream, go get coffee, go eat dinner, go see a movie together then sit down and afterwards and just say here I have some concerns that I need to share and I want to bring them up to you and and say it in a very general way, you don't have to make a list.

[SPEAKER_00]: but you can just say it easily and say, you know, I really don't share things with you to be used as ammunition.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she'll say, no, no, I don't do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, and just say, sweetheart, I just want you to listen here for a minute.

[SPEAKER_00]: I share things to let you know that I'm not perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't expect you to be, but I'm not sure why you use things against me, but if you're using it to justify your behavior, then this just becomes a convenient excuse and I won't share anything with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you let her determine whether you need to be sharing things with her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would tell her this, you know, there's consequences for certain behaviors around the house.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's if you're disrespectful, if you're disobedient, or if you're dishonest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I would put this in the disrespectful aspect of it of her coming back and shooting at you with the things that you've said that here's the other thing let's let me I'm assuming that she's an older older child she may be younger and at some point you may be trying to force [SPEAKER_00]: have just have to hear about later or when she asks about those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: So mom, don't be so intent about always having to share a part of you in hopes of building the deeper relationship.

[SPEAKER_00]: In time, you can tell of those things be vulnerable enough and genuine enough and authentic enough to say, if you have a question of me, I'm happy to answer.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going to answer you if you're just going to turn it and use it against me in some way.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and the only way to combat that is to quit sharing things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the next question that somebody says they said my 17-year-old daughter is starting her senior year in high school and she was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and anxiety with a suicide attempt.

[SPEAKER_00]: And here we are seven months later and she's on the sixth day of school in [SPEAKER_00]: She's saying, I don't want to go to school.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get out of bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm too sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she may be, you know, and let me tell you, Mom, you're doing the right thing, because she's in counseling, and she's on anti-depressants.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in counseling and on anti-depressants, and nothing's different, [SPEAKER_00]: Then I would say that you probably need to be on different anti-depressants, go back to a psychiatrist or a psychologist, and say, we just need to do something different.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if the counseling is not working, if you can't see transformation beginning to happen that the actions are following the change of heart, then you may need a new counselor.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not being judgmental on the counselor you do have.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that she's not any good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that, [SPEAKER_00]: the goodness of a counselor is the effectiveness that they have on the life of somebody else and whether somebody can embrace that or not.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that they look good or say the right things.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the connection and about their encouragement to help somebody get to a different place.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would sit down with your daughter and say this, you're going to have to get up out of bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I wouldn't allow anybody just to lay around and do nothing, so if you don't want to go to school, you don't have to go to school.

[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to graduate either.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't graduate, then we need to think about what you're going to do next.

[SPEAKER_00]: See what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: How you're helping the child become independent and get motivated?

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's saying I want to help you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it may be that you say let's change schools.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to a different [SPEAKER_00]: And it may be that if none of that's working, you may need to find a place like Heartlight, the like the residential counseling center that we have.

[SPEAKER_00]: We deal with kids all the time that have said, you know, I don't want to live anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like life.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not good.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not working out for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so they come in, we try to deal with those issues and get to the heart of the issue and try to figure out, what is it that's causing this child to feel the way, [SPEAKER_00]: they're feeling.

[SPEAKER_00]: And mom, let me encourage you in this.

[SPEAKER_00]: There may be something.

[SPEAKER_00]: There may be something in school.

[SPEAKER_00]: There may be something that you don't know about.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's causing, that's causing all of this.

[SPEAKER_00]: And even though your daughter says, I don't know why I'm so sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: She, she may need somebody to dig in a little deeper with her to find out the reasons behind the sadness, and it may be chemical, and if it is chemical, then change it up and get some different meds, but it, there may be something that's gone on that's keeping her in her mess, and it's saying, I want to help get you out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So tell me how I can help you, and, but you got regardless, you, you still got to set boundaries, you got to set rules.

[SPEAKER_00]: If, say, this is how we're going to operate.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want to go to school, don't go to school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then let's drop out of school.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you're still going to have to get out of bed and go walk with me or go exercise with me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exercise is amazing for anybody that's depressed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully that gives you some ideas and suggestions.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the next question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is, hey, I don't know what to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: My 17-year-old son almost 18 has absolutely no driver motivation to do anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's in his senior year and he has no dreams for his future, not even a simple plan.

[SPEAKER_00]: He comes home, lazin' bed, playing on his phone or laptop, I try to get him do stuff, but I can't force him, and he resists me constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've even taken away his electronics before it doesn't make any difference.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about him, do you have any advice?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's almost 18.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't spend time taking away his electronics.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a good idea, but, but, [SPEAKER_00]: you know there's a part of me that says who's paying for his electronics and that's one of my questions who's paying for a car?

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's paying for gas?

[SPEAKER_00]: Who's paying for him to live the life he's living?

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no requirements of him.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know kids do what they do because they can do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so they have a tendency and he's taken the like lightning and he's taken the path of [SPEAKER_00]: where he's not doing anything at all, so he's losing motivation.

[SPEAKER_00]: There may be something else going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: He may be doing something at school, you don't know about.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that may be part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the part where he doesn't know what he's doing, let me share something with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's a nice school.

[SPEAKER_00]: I swam competitively.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea what I wanted to do in the future.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not anything, I had no idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really didn't know where I wanted to go to school.

[SPEAKER_00]: I swam at University of Arkansas, I left there, I went to Oklahoma State, then I left there and I went to Tulsa University and still didn't know what I was gonna do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then I ended up working with kids and everybody thought I was crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a part of it that I was still motivated.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so the fact that he doesn't know what he wants to do isn't that big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Most seniors don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: And whatever they do tell you, it's not really true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where they end up.

[SPEAKER_00]: The part of it that would concern me the most is that he just doesn't have a driver motivation.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's something going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where you as a mom and dad have to help him grow up saying, I want you to be independent.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to develop a sense of responsibility, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I want you to be motivated to do something because you have to, you know, it's like this who is paying for his phone and if it's you could pay for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, well, how am I supposed to pay for it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Go get a job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you have a go get a job?

[SPEAKER_00]: So he can get out of the house and do something and interact with people and become motivated.

[SPEAKER_00]: And any may just go, you know what?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this kind of job.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do something different.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's motivated to do something different.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would take away whatever I could.

[SPEAKER_00]: to motivate him so you can see some movement on his part and remember, you know, here's a couple of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what I was doing when I was a senior in high school, but the second part of this, if I'm giving you some advice, is spend more time listening to your son.

[SPEAKER_00]: rather than talking to him all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's another question, and it's the last question of the day, somebody says, my 17 year old daughter struggles with anxiety and depression, which manifested itself into impulsive and self-destructive behaviors.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a difficult time in knowing when to step in and help her or letting natural consequences happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I would tell y'all the time you let natural consequences happen, where there's not internal boundaries, there needs to be external boundaries.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so if my child can't drive a car, I'm not going to put keys to a car in their hands and say, go drive.

[SPEAKER_00]: If they're just, I mean, if it's, if they just don't have the ability to do that, if they can't do some things, if they can't go to an Ivy League school and pass, I'm not going to put them in a situation [SPEAKER_00]: And so let the natural consequences happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you've got to be a parent too.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it may be saying to her as long as long as you live in our home and as long as we're involved with you, there's just some things that we can't allow you to do and that's if things become dangerous, if there's a possibility of you becoming pregnant, if you start using drugs or are using alcohol, or you engage in risky behavior.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the only place that we're going to intervene.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that that anxiety and depression, it's interesting to me that somebody who's depressed and anxious [SPEAKER_00]: manifest itself in impulsive and self-destructive behaviors.

[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the time anxiety and depression would be withdrawal and isolation.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not these impulsive, destructive behaviors.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would make sure that she's in counseling with somebody that you, if she is on medication, for anxiety and depression, you talk to the doc and say, this is what we see.

[SPEAKER_00]: But helper in the process and don't abandon her but require something from her and say if you can't do this then we're going to have to set up some boundaries around you and we want you to drive a car but if you can't then I'm not going to let you drive a car we want you to be able to go to school on your own we want you to be able to handle money we want you to make good decisions when you go to parties and go out with your friends but if you can't do that then we can't we can't say yes let's do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And to all of you, I would tell you this that if you're struggling in your relationships with your kids and you're trying to figure out how do we get to a better place with them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me give you a couple of things that that might be helpful.

[SPEAKER_00]: One, we have a thing that we do here at Heartlight.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're located in Longview, Texas.

[SPEAKER_00]: that's called a family crisis retreat, a family crisis conference, and you can find that on the web called FamilyCrisisretreat.com, and you can find out about what we do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a two and a half-day conference that we have, and we limit it to 40 people, and they come and they're a part of finding out about, you know, just the way kids respond and react, and [SPEAKER_00]: deal with issues and and how do we get to a better place and establish these external boundaries that I talk about and and how do we develop rules and consequences and motivated child and deep in the relationship and how do we handle the chaos that's going on because the tendency is most people think I've got to find a place and send my child.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well just where you know those places are expensive.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you look at it, heartlights are wonderful place but we only [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is it's babysitter 24 hours a day and a kid's usually here 10 to 11 months and so you do the math and you'll find out that coming to a family and crisis conference is far cheaper than having to send your kids off to a program somewhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: About 90, some percent of the people that attend these retreats never have to send their child anywhere because they pick up some new tools for their parenting toolbox here that help them learn how to engage differently with their child that changes the outcome of where their child might be headed.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you can find out about that at the family crisis retreat.com, and I hope you'll join us and take advantage of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been wonderful answering some of these questions for you on Mark Grigston, and I look forward to talking to you soon.

[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bye-bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back here on Monday for another great episode.