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You're listening to the Awakened podcast.

I'm your host, Brad Leale, and joining me on the show today is author and.

Researcher Paul Stobs.

Paul is the author of the.

Best selling book The Nephlum Look Like Clowns and the host of the Understanding Conspiracy podcast.

This is actually Paul's second time on the show.

The first time we spoke, we just kind of talked about awakenings.

And DMT and the hat Man and things like that.

We didn't really get too heavily into the details of his book.

So I asked him to come back onto the show to share some of his knowledge with us about what the Nephilim actually looked like and their influence on cultures and societies around the world, and he did a great job of giving us what I would consider a condensed version of the book without giving too much of it away.

So if you're like me and you want to know.

More, I highly encourage you to go buy his book on Amazon or listen to it on audible.

You really put a lot of time and effort in gathering all of this information.

Please support him and whatever way you can follow him on YouTube, buy his book, make a donation, whatever you can do to help him out.

I'm sure he would appreciate that.

So with all that said, let's just go ahead and hear what Paul has to say.

Right now, I'm.

Trudging my way slowly through the second book.

It's a long process in between raising two kids and you know the rest of it.

I'm doing what I can when I can, and and I've not said a date for when that's going to be released, but there will be a second final volume to complete the series.

But yeah, the first book is already out on Amazon.

It's been out for over a year now, since July twenty twenty four, I think it was when it was published, and it's done really well.

It's sold about six thousand copies already.

It's getting good reviews It's on about four point eight on Amazon, and I've just released the audiobook a few months ago.

I recorded it myself.

It took me about three months to do on my own in this little office with this microphone.

And yeah, I've just released the second edition of the book now, the revised edition, because as I was doing the audio book saying it out loud, there was a lot of edits I made just to make the flow a bit better, you know, And so the book matches what I say perfectly now in the audiobook.

And it's just it's been a long process doing that.

I realize now in the second book I'm gonna have to do the same thing again, so it's going to be a very long, arduous process.

But yeah, that's what's going on with the book there.

And like I said, if you want a copy, you go into Amazon and get yourself on there.

I'm excited to talk about it, man, because, like I said, again, we were just kind of talking about hat Man and we were talking about a little bit about psychedelics, which I guess we'll get back into in this conversation today.

But what first led you to connect the nephlum with the sort of archetype of clowns or gestures or what have you.

Yeah, well, it's a little bit of left field for even me because I'm not like a clown enthusiasts or anything.

You know, I don't care about clowns.

I've never, like once had a second thought about them in my entire life, you know, They've never been a focus of mine for anything.

It's just it was an odd series of connections firing up in my brain over years of just research and observation that made me just one day asked the question, is there really something here between clowns and demons like as we understand them?

And I can tell that story as quickly as I can, because I know we're strapped for time.

I like an abridged version of it.

But I've kind of told this story a thousand times, you know.

If anyone wants to know, you can, I counted them.

I've done about fifty podcasts talking about this, with varying lengths of degrees of kind of explaining that where I got the idea from and who I am, and delving into the man who should details of certain aspects of the theory.

But it's a very big broad body of work.

Shall we say.

That covers a lot of things, but the introductory story is basically that I grew up a religious I wasn't really religious person, not a religious household, more of an atheistic type, you know, going into my edgy teen years.

But I was also an artist.

I've always been able to paint and draw and color out of a degree in fine art, you know, I've always studied art, so I'm a very visual person.

That's probably a good way to summarize who I am as a person.

And I've always been into history, reading books.

I've never been wanted just to watch sports or play that type of games with the boys or anything.

I've very much just kept to myself while they're doing that over there, and studying most of my life, and it's just who I am.

It's what I like to do, you know.

So when I got into university and I kind of had my waking up moments, shall we say, to come to conspiracy theory, I was very much a New agey, gnosticy Taoist, weed smoking, a psychedelic taking partying, hedonistic, nihilistic, typical stereotypical art student.

You know, by that point in my early twenties, living that life, you know, of for the now and for myself, and I had learned this is kind of my first foundational bit of knowledge that laid before I am today.

But you know, I knew a lot about DMT diamethel trip to me and the realm scene in those places.

We discussed psychologics last time we were on.

You know, it's not I'm not strange to that experience of those experiences and what's what it entails, and many other things as well.

And I kind of understood the culture quite well.

And I would read trip reports and study it, you know, and listen to all the famous talking heads on the matter, and I understood that in that realm, people in the counter justus.

So that was already a foundational understanding that I already had from early on, before I was even awake or born again or a Christian or even studying anything to do a biblical history, let alone the net for them, you know.

But I understood people see these things.

And I was very much like a Youngian, scientifically minded, symbolic everything, psychological type back then, And yeah I was.

I was going off archetypes.

They represent an aspect of the collective consciousness, the shadow of human in order to teachers about ourselves and transcend the dark aspects of our own in a psyche, you know.

And I had that kind of interpretation of what the gesture really was.

And you look at what a gesture is throughout history.

It's this playful character that Pope's fun at the king, and you know, we are the king of our own realities, and it's their job to break down those barriers by mocking us and ridiculing us and poking our sensibilities an ego, and I very much just left it at that.

That was good enough as an explanation for me back then, you know.

But then when I became a conspiracy theorist or a truth or whatever you want to call that label, you know, I'm not looking to die cast myself.

I'm still just an individual person who just thinks, you know, at the end of the day.

But when I woke up, it was the end of the world that my in calendar was about to end in twenty twelve, and the build up to that really got me spiraling into all the warrens and the rabbit holes of conspiracy, you know.

And I very much realized very quickly the New Age religion was for the New World Order.

It was very much a part of the conspiracy.

And I was stepping out of a few of my ideals, and I was leaning towards Christianity, and I didn't want to go there.

I didn't want to go to Christianity.

I thought it was a stupid idea at first, and nowhere can they have all the answers.

But by twenty fourteen, over a long arduous period of breaking down and finding no answers in the psychedelic world and in those Eastern philosophies, I broke down and asked God to show me the truth, and he did, and I was born again that day in March at twenty fourteen, and I from that day, you know, I really buckled down and got to grips of biblical history and started looking into Christine contrarians and researchers out there.

At the time.

It was a bit of a wild West of conspiracy back then, and there were some big names knocking about like Michael Heiser, Rob Skiber, you had Gary Wayne, There was many many Lamar zul you know, all those conspiratorial types that were discussing the Nephilim and these giant skulls and the elongated skulls, you know, the practice skulls and all these types of things.

I was just enthralled.

I was like, this is this is incredible.

This explains so much, you know, and it makes the Bible come alive.

Finally I understand the history of why there was a flood, what happened in the Antediluvian age, why God chose the people, kind of all that narrative was becoming clear as day to me.

But I also naive to the rules of Christianity.

I didn't realize that's actually heretical, anathema, extra biblical nonsense, according to a lot of the Churchianity types, you know.

So I learned that as I went.

But for me, as somebody wasn't raised in a church with any particular dogma, it works.

It makes sense.

I think it's real.

I think it's true.

I think they were onto something.

And it finally answers the hard questions of why a flood, Why would a loving God do such a thing, you know, and and why the genus all the genocide in the early parts of the Bible, you know, why they're wiping out of the women and the children and the animals and all the rest of it like, what's the point, you know, when you contextualize it with genetic corruption and giants and a rebellion of the angels.

Yeah, and it suddenly starts to make a hell of a lot more sense, you know.

So for me it worked.

It helped suddenly structure to my faith.

And as I was going through that transition period from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, it was a rough time in my life because I was just born again, but I was a baby Christian.

I didn't really know much and I'd lived a relatively naive life up until that point about spiritual warfare.

But once I gave myself to Christ, that's when I was really getting heavily spiritually attacked and my eyes were open.

We were in a spiritual war and the demons are real, and I need to know what they are and where they come from, because that's just the type of guy I am, you know.

So that's why I when I researched and Definite, they explained it very quickly, and it's it saved my life in many ways.

But you know, I had some experiences after being born again.

I went to the DMT realm and a flashback I was sober for a year by this point, so I wasn't doing drugs.

But I went back to the DMT realm randomly and saw a giant jester for the first time, and it was this black, white striped, big, wide lipped, purple lipped, the huge glowing eyes looking down at me.

It was a giant, you know.

I was looking up at it and had these huge horn like protrusions coming from its skull, like like a Jestus cap.

But it's it was just it's its physiology was this shape.

I wasn't wearing a gestus costume.

Its skin was that color, you know what I mean.

It was a.

Sight to behold.

It shocked me a lot.

I didn't know what to do with that at the time, because I came back to reality, you know, and with this vision in my mind, and like, I don't know what that was.

I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that.

That was just I understood about the DMT realm with the Jesters by this point, so I was like, act, clearly have symbon for the first time, so I know the real now they aren't there, And I was getting visitations from that hat man.

I was getting sleep paralysis, strangulation, things like this, wrenching myself awake, screaming every other night, you know.

And I had another moment where I went paralyzed in my I was dog sitting at the time at my parents' house, and I went paralyzed on the sofa, collapsed and darkness started to just seep in from the corners of my eyes.

The room was crunching away into like a spiraled portal in front of me, and I was dying.

Do you felt like I was dying?

You felt like my soul was being torn from my body and that was the end of me.

Maybe I was having a brain aneurysm or something.

I don't know what was going on, but it was bad.

It was a bad moment, and all I could think to do was say Jesus helped me as quietly and as croaky as I possibly could in my paralyzed state, and instantly stopped like that.

You know, I was back in the room, covered in sweat.

I got up.

I was like bile coming out.

It was horrible.

It was a bad time, you know what I mean.

It was like a wrenching moment.

But I lived.

I survived, and I knew that was for me, like the final hint in the understanding of the power of Christ and its name and the use it is when it comes to spiritual warfare and demonic attacks.

And although it was real to me, then I can't deny it.

I have lived it.

It's an experience I can't prove to you that happened to me.

Absolutely understand it sounds like the ramblings of a madman, but I don't care.

That's what happened to me, and that's the truth, and I can't lie about it.

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to keep saying that because I'm a bad liar.

That's what happened to me.

So with all these experiences kind of lined up in this biblical history knowledge kind of backing up.

I was watching lots of presentations about the Nephelin, you know, and I understood that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephelin.

That's kind of the thing, you basic thing you learn.

Demons aren't angels.

They are the children of angels mixed with humans specifically, and when they die, they're stuck on earth, and we call them demons today.

So I was finally understanding my enemy what was attacking me?

What was coming at me?

What are these things?

What are these entities people see?

And why clown?

Like why Jester?

Like?

So I did a cursory search and I found one video when I typed in the words Nephelin on YouTube, and it was by a channel called the Epic Conspiracy.

His logo was like an I Illuminati from Egypt or something like that.

He had like two hundred subscribers and he made like a mockumentary history channel style video mocking Christians and people who believe in the Nephelim.

So he wasn't even making a real Nephelin video.

He was just taking the piss out of us, having a laugh at us, you know, like these crazy people believe in giants.

But as he's describing the way giants looked in the stereotypical red hair, white skin, and then he said, there's only one explanation that interdimensional killer clowns from out of space, and he showed the eighties movie images, you know, and he was just joking.

He didn't care, he didn't know what he was on about.

You know, he was just laughing at us.

But I knew, like, actually there's something to this.

Then Nephelim and clown.

There's something here, There's something to do with this.

I don't know what it is exactly yet in this moment, but I'm going to dig and see what I can find, basically, and here I am nine years later.

The series was started in twenty sixteen, you know, And I have a book published now around the second one, and it just keeps coming.

And it turns out, Yeah, not only are clowns as we know them today a creation of copies, shall we say of ractions Demons of India brought to Britain in the early eighteen hundreds by the son of a famous freemason of the time who was heavily interlinked with India and family was connected to India, who brought the iconography onto the British stage and modeled to modern clown after Demons of India.

Even prior to that, within the same place, the same pantomime, Hardequin was originally introduced in the sixteen hundreds as a model of European demons called the wild Man.

So the first proto clown as we understand it today and the modern clown as we know today are both modeled after demons.

There's no two ways about it.

That's exactly what it is, and it's for good reason, because that character was supposed to be an original place.

So that's one thing.

And then if you look outside of the history of the clown costume, and I looked at all these cultures over the earth basically have many different types of religions.

I'm not dicasterimols, just the same religion necessarily.

So you have more ancestor spirit worship nature worship religions.

You've got monotheistic pantheistic gods and worship systems as well.

Then you also have more shamanistic cultures, which often sometimes have one god or have many gods or nature gods within them.

You get these apotropaic cultures that believe you dress like spirits to scare them away.

Then you have other ones who wear costumes to bring the demons into their bodies.

But if you separate the minutia details of the religions and just look at the esthetics of the costumes worn to represent spirits and or demons in these individual cultures of varying religions and beliefs on every continent, we start to see a pattern emerge.

Multi colored patterned shimmering stringed clothing like a clout in costume as we would arc typically caricature in the West today, pale white faces, white face makeup, chalk paint on the skin, multi colored patterns drawn on top of that white paint on the face or on the arms or on the legs.

A huge multicolored head dress made of feathers or sequins or beads or diamonds and jewels, but it's usually red primarily sometimes gold, but always red.

So a red head dress, white face, multi colored pattern clothing.

Some cultures even us stilts while walking around them in Africa, for example, to represent the ancestor spirits, or some of them do rock art paintings of the ancient spirit deities to venerate them.

And if you just follow the themes, they all have clown aesthetical features.

And it's because the costume is used as a tool to channel the entities on the other side in the spirit realm, and you dress like the thing to channel the thing, to create a portal to the thing, and many cultures do it to make deals with them and to allow them into their own body.

That's like a portal.

I'm representing you in the spirit realm, so you could enter into me in the physical for stuff, for power usually you know, the ability not to bleed when cut, or to have the strength of ten men, or if you're in small tribal warfare situations, that's a benefit.

It's a huge benefit, you know.

But then in the West, what we've done, and it seems like when I said this costume was introduced in the eighteen hundreds and then popularized into the modern day, we have our own version of this costume won by all these other cultures, and we call it a clown.

To us, it's a cult.

It's esoteric.

Esoterically, it represents the neft for them, exoterically.

To the public, it's just a bit of fun for the kids.

You're not supposed to know what it's really for.

And I said, that's all the theory in a nutshell.

And I said, the explorations go into every culture on the earth, pretty much all the history of the Bible.

I think all human history is biblical history.

Even the cultures that aren't in the Bible still exist on the earth and still experience the same history as dictated in the Bible.

There was a time where the offspring of fallen angels mixing with human women created a giants that became predators that killed and ate us and then dominated us and became the kings and rulers of an Antiiluvian age.

And every single culture remembers them, and every single culture either venerates them, fears them, or hates them, but either way they have artwork and clothing to represent them, and they all look like clowns.

So that's basically the work in a nutshell.

It's an anthropological city more than anything.

I know what it sounds like on the surface.

The Bible does not explicitly say and so the clown looking giants came down and that it doesn't say stuff I understand.

But when you get context from outside of the biblical text, you start to see what the Bible was taught talking amounts, because the Bible doesn't care about looks, it cares about actions.

If you want to find out what these things look like, you have to look outside and look at these other cultures, and they're telling you explicitly.

And as a result, I don't think we should take what we wear lightly.

As a result of my own research, take it for what it is, ridiculate, market laugh at it like most people do.

But when you actually look at the work I've done, I think I can make a very strong compelling case.

I'm not just talking complete and total nonsense.

So yeah, there we go.

Well, it sounds like you take a path of anthropology, theology, mythology, a whole bunch of different things, and I actually think that that's the way to do it, because a lot of times people would just look at it from a theological point of view and not from a oral tradition or any other kind of a cultural tradition from around the world.

But it's pretty clear to me as well, and especially after hearing you talk about it on any other shows in your.

Book, that this is what they are I have I go to.

It's funny because you mentioned killer clowns from out of space and that jarred something in your mind, and to me, the space part two actually makes me think a little bit deeper because I like to go into the metaphysical of where are they coming from?

It seems like everybody always stops at the physical where they came in through portals, or they came in through manifestations or shed their ogitarian or whatever what have you.

But I want to know where they're coming from.

Where do they reside right now?

Have you ever looked into anything like that?

Have you ever looked into the metaphysical of what is known?

Well, where do they reside as systembodied spirits right now?

Like it?

Well, to me, there's a few different places, but.

Well, yeah, the could the could be Gary Me and Gary Wayne told us about this huge inspiration for the book, you know, and then I was blessed to get to have many conversations with him over the years.

I gave even thank him at the end of the book for the advice he gave me on rioting the book, you know.

But when when we talk about it, he has explained the whole Catarian concept to me, and he thinks they might be pocket dimensions for specific tribes of Nephelim and their fathers, their angels have created for their children realms they can reside in for them specifically, you know.

So Valhalla might be a good example of this.

It's one specific realm, not for people humans, but it was for the nephel them to reside, and maybe they can in some way come back into and throw and within our realm through these portals from these pocket dimensions.

I have heard that before, which is an interesting take on it, and I'm always willing to be open to that being a possibility.

I'm not totally sure, but that would imply that they were still physical, but was saved from the death and destruction that came upon them as a judgment by being put into these pocket dimensions.

So it might explain where the physical giants came back into the earth again once, because not all of them, it seemed, had that blessing.

The Bible talks about many of them killing each other in brutal, horrible, bloody battles in the Book of Enoch and the Angels to watch the children kill each other, So we know many of them didn't make it into a pocket dimension.

We just just died, you know, perhaps even became the mountain scapes we see around us and the hills we see around us today, you know, and we're just living on the ruins and the corpses of a of a titanochomy as described in Greek mythology, you know, just giant slaying each other everywhere.

But either way, like some of them may have been, may have kept the oichutear in their body and been kept safe in pocket dimensions designed specifically for them by powerful creator entities like black angels.

Maybe, or it seems the stuck on the earth in a disembodied form.

So I think the earth is both physical and spiritual simultaneously.

I don't think that actually is a disconnect from the spiritual realm and the physical realm.

I think that both the exact same creation.

Like a coin has two sides, or a rug has the warp and the woof, you know, the side just opposed to see, and then the messy side underneath roll the strings connect to make the pattern on top, you know.

I think it's one item, the spiritual realm and the physical realm.

They're not like you can't separate the two.

You can't have one without the other.

In the same with us as physical entities, I think we are physical beings, but we are also living souls.

We are a spiritual being with a physical aspect to us, but we're both.

We're spell simultaneously, you know.

And I think when the Nephilim died physically the body may have gone, but they were earth bound.

They don't have a soul breathed into them from God himself, that breath of life.

The earthly entities and there the remain on the earth in spiritual form.

And I think these spirits, these unclean spirits, we just that Christ a lot of bit ministry involved casting out of people.

Are the disembodied spirits of those Nephelim and the right here on earth with us, just beyond our perception.

But they're still here like they didn't go anywhere, and they can interact with us loosely, but in disembodied, in a disembodied state that they're limited in their ability to influence us.

And I think when you take psychedelics, all they do is just tune up the dial on your perception and suddenly you start to see more of what's actually here.

You're not hallucinating things that aren't there.

You're just seeing things that are here now which we don't ordinarily perceive on a daily basis.

And I've also theorized just thrown this out there.

You know, when the flood happened, God say a rainbow in the sky of for Noah as a covenant, as a promise that he would never flood the earth again.

But that implies that rainbows never existed before that.

In some way, it was like a shock surprise that this thing suddenly existed, called a rainbow now as like a sign.

Well, if you understand that our limited bandwidth of vision is that's colored spectrum.

Perhaps that's what happened after the flood.

Perhaps our perceptions were limited as a mercy, because otherwise we would be still communicating with and seeing and being influenced by these spirits that now infect the earth everywhere.

I think it's why God calls for a new creation as well, at the end of renewing of the heavens and earth and then becoming one and the old world kind of being burned away by firing a way for a cleansing, renewal moment, you know, because I think it's currently for the parasites.

We call demons that, and they are quite literally parasites.

They live off us as a food source.

So Christ describes them as wandering in dry places seeking a home, you know.

And they'll they'll take your body if you let them, you know, And they'll live within you, your vessel if you allow them.

And while they're there, don't forget these things used to be kings, rulers, giants among puny humans.

Well, they'll use you, and what they'll do is influence you to do stuff, drink things, sin, you know, and in extreme cases even kill, you know.

But they'll make you believe you thought came up with the idea or you wanted to do those things, and then they'll experience or feel that pleasure or that thing, those emotions vicariously through your body as you feel and taste stuff, so do they And that's kind of the Dean's gain today.

That's what they're doing, you know.

And they parasitically feed off of us through doing stuff like that.

And now, look, we sin, humans have the capacity to sin.

I'm not abdicating our responsibility to demons.

That's not what I'm doing here, but it can certainly influence us.

And if you are demonized, we don't want to say possessed necessarily, you know, but if you are infested with demons, then yeah, you're going to be influenced.

They'll be continuously influencing you to make bad decisions and do things, and they'll be making noises in your head you think are your own thoughts.

So you believe you came up with the ideas and wanted and want to do these things, all the while feeling shame and guilds and misery and horrible.

Yeah, because that's what they do.

They use you and then they move on once you're dead.

Basically, they don't care about you.

They're not your friends.

And that's exactly how parasites work.

They can't help but kill the wholest body in the end.

It's just the way they are.

It's in the nature, you know.

But ideally they'd like to remain hidden.

They don't want you to know that they're in there, and they can be cast out in the name of Jesus Christ and wants the Holy spirits in there.

There's no for them anymore, and they can't use you, and that's when you get attacked, usually by other people who do have demons that don't really realize it, and this kind of they use other means to get to you, and that's when you get ill pressed by demons rather than possessed by demons, you know.

So it's like a switch may and switch.

But this is the spiritual war we're in.

I think they're here on earth with us.

I think that's how they operate, that's how they work.

I think that's their modus operandi today and I think they are working as spiritual foot soldiers for the fathers in the heavenly realms, the Fijian six twelve stuff.

You know, the principalities in high places are spiritual wickedness in high places, and I think they do the bidding of their fathers, and I think their father's answer to the leader of their rebellion, which is Lucifer or Staytan the dragon.

And I think and in the physical realm they have their own physical foot soldiers that they communicate with that step below the demons, which are the secret societies, and they're all working in tandem as a hierarchy system spiritual and physical to subjugate control and dictate mankind's future towards their golden age, their new world order, you know.

And it's in the long run, I think it's also an effort or a promise that they can get their bodies back.

And perhaps I've also theorized that that might word transhumanism is really all about and robotics and the rest of it and the singularity.

It's not about reaching an apex moment where we get to live forever.

It's about creating vessels that can house consciousness, which there's an army of disembodied conscious consciousnesses or consciouncy.

I don't know what the plural for that is, but there's an army of them just waiting for vessels to inhabit, and we're going to build it for them.

But right now they get into us.

They use our bodies.

And like I said, there are many cultures around the earth who know this.

It's not even a secret.

They venerate them or fear them, but either way, they dress like them to let them into their own bodies because it's kind of in those cultures they want the demon in them.

It gives them power.

It's like a familiar It gives them strength.

It's a transactional deal.

It's a contract.

Okay, I'll give you power, but you need to sacrifice.

You need to eat things or smoke things, or drink things or do things that I want you to do because I want to feel those pleasures.

Again.

That's how the demon thinks.

And the person's like, deal, I'll drink that blood or kill that person or rape that person, or drink that alcohol or do that drug or eat that food you like, so long as you give me x Y and Z money, fame, power, gold, riches, whatever, and you work for me, and I'll work for you, and it's a symbiotic relationship.

Then between parasite human it's true venom stuff, you know what I mean.

It's like, I think there's many ways this works.

So people who know what they're doing make contracts with them.

Ignorant people who don't know that they're infested tend to remain ignorant of that fact till it's too late.

And then we as Christians, who take all authority, we can cast these things out, send them back to the dry places, and we have all authority over them, and they are a defeated, weak enemy.

But in these cultures who don't have Christianity, in these tribes, they're not afraid of being out in the open because no one's going to cast them out any second or any moment from now.

But in the West, if they were so brash and open about it like they were in these other cultures, then some Christians somewhere will notice eventually and probably do something about it.

So they tend to keep it hidden, you know.

And so I think that's why they invented the clown costume, to be honest, I think it with the purpose was to create something that they could use publicly to channel entities for their own benefit and gain.

However, the public won't know that that's what's happening.

It's hidden from them, and they'll think it's something fun and interesting just for the kids.

I think this is why Shrine is international, for example, has a clown sect within every single one of them.

What does a Muslim order themed Arabic order have to do with Western clowns.

It's a completely devoid of all sense until you realize a step above that by invitation.

Only Shriners in good standing can be invited to become members of the Royal Order of the Jester, which again a very exclusive club.

And I talk about them in the book.

But they've they've been involved in some really shady things, and you can gather that just by looking at the public records and the FBI records that are available publicly.

God only knows what they've done secretly that hasn't been revealed, but what they've done publicly is heinous.

What they've been caught doing is heinous.

You know, what's on record is heinous.

And I've just shown what's on record, you know, and it's why why is the highest order of freemasonry from Shrine freemasonry to shrining a jester.

Why is that the best thing to be?

You know?

Why is that the highest privilege?

And it's not because it represents having the year of the king, which again is just although that did happen in the past.

Symbolically, I think it's we are on par with or a step above humanity, and we're with the jesters and the demons in the other realm.

I think they know about them, and I think that's why maybe there's been this push the last decade to get people to take DMT and talk with the gesters, you know, and it's kind of I think that's why they look like jesters.

I think that's what these people are encountering when they go to the other side.

I think they look more jest alike in spiritual form, but in physical form they were more dragon human hybrid like, you know, which explains the wide mouth like a serpent's jaw, the big eyes, the fangs often stuck out, the thin, long, big red lips because a lizard with lips would look pretty damn weird.

And I think that's why they have these big red spiles, you know, and you've got wild, crazy, flaming red hair auras beaming off of them, scaly, perhaps odd looking porcelain white skin, human shaped body but with like claws, and it would have looked like a real crazy psychedelic mess because lizards are very colorful.

Reptiles are colorful creatures, and I think we've got a bit confused in the past with the early enough of them research.

You also these presentations and Rob Skeiep would be there showing like the giants sort of lighted up next to each other, and it was just a copy paste of Conan the Barbarian with these huge pectoral muscles and a tanned body with a loincloth on, you know what I mean.

And he had like a club over his shoulder, a big shaggy beard with brown hair.

It's like, that's too human.

That's not what these things would have looked like at all.

And this is where my creative aspect came into it.

In the original thing, It's like, well, what would happen if you've got a seraphim angel mixing with a human woman.

You would get a psychedelic mess.

You would get something absolutely terrifying.

And when we know what dragons looks like, because you can go and look at cultures in China, let's say, and so that surrounding region in Asia, you know, the Thailand temples and the Japanese dragons and the Chinese dragons and the Philippine dragons and whatever, just that whole region.

You know what I mean.

If you look at the way the dragons looked, they were extremely psychedelically colorful and wild looking.

And then you go across to like the continence of let's say, you know, North America or South America with you know, they the Meso Meso American region, and they all have dragons there, Quittaquot being one of them, for example.

But they're very colorful, very psychedelic, feathered and plumed as well.

So angelic, reptilian, hybrid mixed.

And these are the things that we're interacting with the people on a regular basis.

So these were more likely the watchers we're dealing with, and these are the ones that did what they did and created the nephilim.

So I think a seraphim hybrid hybridized human monster looking thing would look weird, and we can I can attest from the images I've found and the research I've done.

Yeah, the offspring looked like clowns.

So it just kept coming back to this concept over and again.

So anyway, they're sorry for the long winded answer for a lot of I said a lot there.

But when I get going, I can really get going with as song as I apologize.

No, I love it.

And I got to learn how to shut my mouth sometimes too so because I will jump in like as a start running my mouth and try to interject my ideas.

But you mentioned earlier.

That there is a You've mentioned dial so you and that we are in this visible spectrum, which is what I think as well.

That kind of guy keeps us in this realm where we can't see beyond this.

Do you think that they are frequency and that they use medium, which is where we get the word media from, to channel that bandwidth from person to person.

It's almost like the movie Fallen.

Have you seen the movie Fallen with Denzel Washington?

No?

Actually no, no, so's it's.

It's all right.

So it's like it's to.

Denzel Washington's a cop and he's trying to figure out a murder and he comes encounter with Azazel.

Azel just keeps changing form.

She keep or it whatever it is, keeps changing from woman to man to dog to cat, whatever, and then it can't really be killed.

It can only be transferred from one thing to another like an energy, like a frequency.

And that's where I kind of get that thought from that, like maybe they're broadcasting their spells through the media, through that medium to channel these entities directly into our brains through pornography and TV and movies and all this other stuff, because I mean that is where we get the idea of what we just mentioned, killer clowns from outter space and things like that.

We get these ideas from somewhere, and it seems.

Like that they would they relish in the idea that Halloween's coming up, for example, and they're selling all these clown things and clown costumes and all this other stuff, you know, and absolutly yeah, it also would it also to me think I think that they sort of stoke fear.

I mean, obviously their appearance historically in our DNA, we're like afraid of them because of the fear that they used to induce on people so long ago when they were in that form.

And then the women wear makeup and all this stuff, and they like tall men.

You know, there's a lot of like historical things in DNA of women as well that want to go after somebody like that.

Right, So I guess what I'm trying to say is are they using things like fear to.

Because like they if they constantly have stuff in the media, like I said, with movies and all this stuff, they use that fear and then it gives us a low vibration and they can sort of attach themselves onto us in some way.

In many ways.

Yeah, I mean we understand through things like mk ultrue.

You know that if you torture somebody enough, you can break them down and then rebuild them and reprogram them, for example.

So we know even human you know, never mind like unknown horrors from beyond the void.

Man made horrors that are well understood can be just equally as terrifying.

You know what we're capable of.

We understand the mind is fragile and can be broken and therefore manipulated.

And I think the demons know this too, Yes, I think, and I think they do use things like fear to break you down emotionally to breaking points.

And when you're in that low weak operational states as you describe it, Yeah, I think that could open you up to being more readily demonized, shall we see and influenced and in the sound, because if we only knew true authority over these things, that you are a king over them in a sense, they and Jesus Christ has given you all authority to trample on serpents and snakes and scorpions, you know.

And it's like these these things are nothing but snakes scorpions, you know.

And then for something, dude, I gotta don't tread on me thing behind me.

You can see it, don't tredd on me flag.

But just recently I have come to the idea like, wait a minute, that's a snake and it's saying, don't treddle me.

And like Jesus gave the.

Authority for us to trample on snakes, So what are we?

What am I saying here?

Whenever I support the gast and flag?

Am I saying that?

Like?

Am I telling Christians that don't tread on me?

I don't know.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

So now I'm like, maybe I need to remove all this iconography of like the don't trail me because it's sort of a rebellion in symbol, at least in the South.

In Southern culture, or like, not just the South, but in patriotic culture in the United States.

So it feels like even that's inverted, which is a weird good.

So I'm glad you brought that up because I mentioned.

That maybe it may be.

And I know what Brian would say, demons, Bro'll get out of your house.

You bring demons in your house what he said, Yeah, imagine something like that, And I get it.

You know, you do have to be careful.

At the same time, I'm not afraid of symbols and shapes.

I'm not.

You know, I've done that's ridiculous, you know.

And at the end of the day, I understand the intention behind that symbology that they were using.

You know, we're more dangerous than they think we are, you know what I mean, they can't they can't take away if we can fight back.

Its attitude of you know, the government's not going to do what it's going to do to us, so we can easily fight back, you know, don't tread of me, don't take away my rights attitude.

So, and I think the people who probably made that, I don't know the history, but I assume they were probably ignorant of any ill biblically referenced intensions.

I really doubt it.

Yeah, And again I think most people don't think like that, or like what we're talking about here.

When they make these things, there could be some spiritual influence, maybe, you know.

I'm not denying that that's a possibility.

Perhaps perhaps you know, But I wouldn't worry too I wouldn't worry too much about it.

But in terms of like that the whole do they influencers and put it into use fear to make us weaker and more easily malleable to their agenda.

Absolutely, And I think it's happening on a mass scale.

I think mass trauma events and rituals are taking place in the media all the time to get the whole nations and the earth reeling over things and feeling powerless and hopeless.

And that only makes us more controllable and perhaps in a spiritual sense, more easily manipulated and useful as a food source for demons spiritually speaking, you know, I think that could be possible.

But then we also do know that they do use clown imagery in the media to glorify it in some way, to make people dress like it for something like Halloween, so they popularize it quite a lot.

So you find there's a lot of media out there that there's a lot of killer clown films out there.

It's a bit of a trope, you know, there's a lot of that, but you find there's popular ones that always get rehashed every so often, so there's always a new IT reboots, first the book, then the movie in the nineties, the series in the nineties, and then the movie remaking the modern era, you know, twenty sixteen onwards to now.

So there's always going to be a new IT rendition in the future, I can guarantee that.

And it is quite literally an interdimensional fear feeding monster whose main form is a clown in the physical but also in the spiritual.

It's like a spider hybrid creature in some way, you know.

But then if you go to like the comic book series Spawn the Violator, which is a member of Hell who's sent to watch over Spawn making sure he's doing his job on behalf of Hell, where his form is like a lizard, reptilian, spider, demon monster, but he's a clown and physical form, you know, And it's kind of the They always reference it in media quite a lot I think there's a lot of people in media who know about what I'm talking about here and use it in fictionalized settings in order to gain the power or at least make people inspired to want to think it's good or cool.

There's always a new Joker every so often.

There's always going to be a new rendition of the Joker, and he's getting more and more of the anti hero, personal relatable type as time goes on.

Rather than an insane lunatic who's out there killing people, now he's a well maybe he's got a point with like Keith Ledger's version, and then with Waking Phoenix versions like I am the Joker, we are the Joker, We're all the Joker.

Just watch it burn societies against us, you know.

It's the sympathy for the devil stuff, you know.

And I think a lot of people then are inspired to mimic it events like Halloween, And that's perfect because Sarwayne is when the veil is thinnest between the physical and the spiritual world in the Celtic tradition, you know.

And if they can get a lot of people during this time period to dress like clowns, then what I tell you, these other cultures do they dress like the thing to channel the thing.

And I don't think ignorance of the spiritual law will make you immune to unfortunately.

I think if you go around dressing like this, you are opening up a portal to the spiritual realm, and you're mirroring something that really does exist in that space, and you're giving it permission to enter into your body.

And I think that's what these rituals are every year, and we should be extremely careful about what we do.

But never mind that there are people in culture using it for power as well.

So I think if you look at the music industry is a perfect example where people dress like psychically clown demons all the time and they get really rich and famous and powerful and everyone loves them and they become idols that people worship, which in turn makes more people look up to them and dress like them copy them, because that's what it takes to be famous in the industry.

Chapel Roan is a new famous edition, but she's just playing the same game that's been happening for years.

David Bowie did it too with his Eggy Star Does character, and Lady Garga played that game as well.

But if you look her at if you look just through the whole e T's era, they were all doing it.

Look at kiss.

You know it's the same thing, like white makeup, patterned skin, red red lips.

You know that you do that, you end up channeling demons.

That's basically what happens.

You know.

He even had the tongue sticking out Gene Simmons primarily, and that is a common theme whenever you see Nephelin represented in ancient artwork.

The Gorgan, for example, is a prime example of this from Greek culture, the Gorgan and Medusa.

She's more popularly known, but there was three sisters in the in the Greek original myths, is the offspring of a kidnea and Typhon.

Typhon is a sea serpent's god, so a dragon of the sea mixing with a siren, a human woman who became a snake lady.

So that and those two had children, and the Gorgans were those things, and they are Nephilim, quintessential neph forlim.

And if you look at the old reliefs and the old paintings and postery and the artwork representing the Gorgan, it's big, wide grin tongue sticking out, sharp, massive, crazy bulging eyes, red dreadlocks, some red hair, you know, and white skin.

And then if you see the body, it's human in proportion, so it doesn't have snake legs or anything, but it's holding a horse under its arm like a puppy, like a chihuahur.

So it's the giants, and it has wings like an angel, so it's half angel, you know.

So they're telling you clearly what the neft of them look like.

And the tongue sticking out is usually always incorporated in there for some reason, I don't know why, you know.

So when you see that happening, and some of like Gene Simmons in the band kiss with the white makeup on, doing these things while they're mirroring something in the spirit realm and channeling it, and you find the usuer end up as legends, legends of rock going down in the analds of history for eternity, for future generations to venerate as fallen gods that will live on forever in our memories.

You know, they get idolized, they get turned into you know, saints of Satanism basically in some way like people realizing saints of the modern secular culture or something.

But making no mistake that that's done by design.

It's not like they were chosen because they were good musicians.

They were chosen because they chose to dress like that by the people who run the industry.

And that's the real secret to be famous.

I've realized.

It's not having talent or having some being a little bit weird to dress like a clown, and they will choose you, They'll put the spotlight on you, they'll make you famous because they want people out there to be idolized, to choose to dress this way.

Some more people copy them, emulate them.

Then you get more channels opened up, more people bringing more vessels demons into our realm.

It's actually just the endless cycle, and the whole media industry is dedicated to doing that.

You'll find now I've mentioned they just look at history and you realize some of the most famous artists throughout musical history look have clown features, and that that's done by design.

It's not because there were actually great musicians.

It has nothing to do with that.

It's because the people who run the industry know full well what that imagery represents.

They know and some musicians I think know what they're doing.

Others are just ignorant and they just think that's what you're supposed to do to be famous, you know.

So they go out there and do the thing that the idol did, and then they useful idiots, low intelligent people who just get a lot of money and think they're great narcissists, you know, and never think anything deep about anything.

A lot of the industries is full of those people, you know.

But I think there are some high players in their warlocks and witches in the industry who do it on purpose, and they know what they're doing, they know why they're dressing that way, and they use it to gain influence, power, fame, money, strength, and the rest of it, and they make their sacrifices just like these ancestor spirit worship cultures all over the earth and every continent, in isolated tribes and places all over the earth.

It's the same practice, it's the same method.

There's just a Western way of doing it, and then there's these other culture's way of doing it, and you need to deal solely with aesthetics here.

A lot of people get too wrapped up in their own indie visual cultures, thinking there's is special and their stories are unique, and that's not what that is.

If you look at the whole mythology about against that particular entity in my particular religion, it's this whole rich mythos you know about a battle and everything.

So yeah, that's your isolated regions story to explain them.

That's what you were told by them when they were here, what they were.

Those are the lies that every culture has to explain what these entities are.

But if you just stick to the esthetics, strip away the narratives that are made around them, they're all the same.

It's because that's what happened.

The whole earth was dominated by these things.

Fallen angels, watchers, two hundreds of them came down, and I think they split themselves up into sets of gods with the small g and I think they set up their pantheons all over the earth, over different regions, and I think they were worshiped as gods in many areas.

The Norse had their pantheon, the Egyptians had their pantheons, that the Indian Indic regions had theirantheons of gods.

The North Americas and the South Americans had their own pantheons of gods, and they're not all talking about the same angels.

They're talking about sets of nine of the two hundred originals, you know, came down or doing their own thing or working together for the same agenda, and they all came down and mated with the humans and created offspring, and they all have their own myths and legends for each region that are wholly unique to those regions, and they have their own esthetical ways of describing it in their own artwork styles.

To depict them with their own whatever resources they have in their region is how you find their esthetical differences appear.

But do you break it down to just the archtypical similarities.

It's always the same, always the same story, always the same visage.

And that's how we can know that the Bible is true.

What it said happened really did happen.

But everyone's so in their own cultures.

They think their stories are unique and special to them alone, and they've made sacred cows out of them.

When I come along saying now it's not that special.

So like, who's this white guy out there, this colonial list out there spitting on my tradition.

It's like, no, no, no, no, I'm spitting on all traditions, including the Celtic traditions.

They're all the same.

This is not about race, this is not about specialized cultures.

This is just simply about the truth a bit of human history that I'm talking about here.

Don't take it personally.

Don't take it personally.

You know, you need to let to separate yourself from these stories.

And I think the Bible contextualizes it in a way that transcends all of it.

I think it really puts it in its place, and we can finally know who we are and where we come from.

What's going on when you take biblical history into account to explain where these creatures came from in every culture's mythologies.

That's why the first half of my book, the first ten chapters, is just Biblical history.

It's like an abridged version of the whole thing to get the foundation laid.

So when I start going on about my theory, you understand what context I'm coming that this is from, you know, And I think it's true.

Think that.

I think it's all true, Like the Bible is one pc real human history from start to finish, including the Book of Enok.

I think it is.

So I went off of one thing.

I'm sorry I do that.

I went off again.

I'm back Schultze and no.

It's totally fine, man.

I like, I'd really enjoy you talking.

And actually the less I talk the better, because I think I don't think people listen for me.

I think people listen to hear the guests talk.

So, yeah, you were.

When you were talking about how the celebrities and all this stuff dress up and make up it.

I think they call it peacocking, which is interesting because it ties into that feathered serpent kind of idea with the feathers spanned out as well.

But I had a friend man who.

Funny enough, he grew up in the same town where the Bishopville Lizardman is in South Carolina here in the United States, and he told me that he had an interaction with this entity one time that was very colorful, and he's like, I don't really know how to describe it.

It was it had He was describing it as a coat and it had like lots of feathers and colors on it and stuff like that.

So again that kind of goes back to that idea of.

What you were saying, how when people would see this manifestation of you know, the seraphim mixing with the humans, it would have some kind of a crazy look to it.

Right.

Oh yeah, But doesn't the intent matter too?

I mean, because a lot of this stuff if people believe that they are worshiping a good entity, like I mean, I mean that from a completely Like I believe you what you're saying about the Bible as well.

I believe in that same concept and that same idea.

But do if people are looking at this from their culture and be like, no, that's good and we do good behind it is?

It doesn't the intent matter there as well?

I feel like the intent can give breath to something, whether it's nigger, because I say a lot of bad words, right, Whenever I say bad words, they're not they aren't typical, Like I'm not using them to hurt someone.

I'm just using them as an expression of something.

So doesn't intent matter at some point too?

Like if you're dressing up as a clown just to be a clown at the kid's birthday party, you wouldn't necessarily be, you know, channeling some kind of a demonic entity intentionally, so it would be like you have to invite him in almost like the like the vampires at the door kind of thing.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, he does.

And this is something I've struggled to answer, to be honest, because it's a bit of this and a bit of that, it seems.

I think there's plenty of examples where people are ignorantly dressing like clowns and there's consequences that happen that they wouldever probably connect.

Maybe the death of Heath Ledger could be a good example of this.

You know, he played he put on the skin of a nephilim and fully embodied the joker and everything it stood for.

And he clearly, everyone says he basically went insane, you know.

And obviously he died of a drug overdose and the rest of it, and there's lots of stories behind how that happened.

It's a tragedy, but there's no doubt it affected his psyche in a big way, absolutely no doubt whatsoever.

You read his diary, his father released his diary recently when he was playing that role, and the scribblings in there are the ramblings of the insane, you know, and he's clearly so into it that it affected him in a big, big way.

So I think I think ignorance or not.

Like I'm starting to think it really doesn't matter what your intentions are.

No.

The role to Hell's paved with them, all the good, all the good intentions.

And I think there's sometimes as Christians, we don't like to do this because it seems a lot of bit, you know, rough, but we have to draw the line somewhere, and we can't all be right, unfortunately.

And just because you mean well when you celebrate the Day of the Dead, let's say in Mexico or something you know, or you you mean well, when you take part in that ancient traditional ritual that your your village has always done for thousands of years, it's kind of like, well, I don't think that matters to the demons.

I really don't think they care what your intentions are.

I think the physical and the spiritual world is so intimately connected that when you dress like something, it's tacit agreement.

Whether you like it or not, or know it or not, You're you're mirroring something and you're making it easier for them to get into you.

And I know people don't want to hear this.

I really don't think your intentions matter.

I really don't mind.

All the evidence is telling me no, it doesn't because you have this other issue.

It's kind of like some cultures, well, we dress this way to scare the spirits away.

It's like I'm worrying this to symbolize that, like a demon already owns this place.

So when another demon turns up and sees me dressed like this, it thinks there's already a demon here.

I can't do this, so they flee from the region.

It's kind of like this is their domain.

I need to go find somewhere where there's no dominion yet.

So I we're tricking the demons into staying away from us, into not ruining our rituals and our sacred spaces.

We dress like the demons as like a protection hallisman to ward them off, you know.

And that's apotropic cultures that believe that's what they're doing.

Then you get these other cultures like the Fame in India, which is ancient tradition which people say even predates Hinduism itself, you know, and they dress in this wild, crazy demonic looking visage.

Colorful orange makeup, rosy red cheeks, red nose, massive fang sticking up here, wild eyes, painted on, you know, massive elaborate headdress is made of gold, and they go around with these weird looking mouthpieces on.

They have massive flapping mouths, and they jump through fire, and everyone's coming up to them and giving them chickens, and they're ripping their head off the chicken and drinking the blood straight from the neck and smothering themselves and doing this crazy ritual every year to make sure the demon enters their body.

And then the village gathers around and asks sick questions and asks for solutions to problems and wants the shaman to be possessed so they can get stuff from it.

Okay, so who's right.

Is it the person and dressing like the demon to be possessed or is the person dressing like the demon to scare them away.

I don't think it can be both.

I don't think it can be both.

I think that makes no sense when logically speaking, I don't think your intention impacts it whatsoever.

And I'm going to go off the one that's been possessed the correct one personally, because as evidence for that, there's no evidence that you're warding anything away.

When you're dressed that thing.

You just think that's what's happening.

But was the proof a demon could just not get involved to make you think that's what's going on.

But really it doesn't affect it at all, or that it is power in any way, or it's autonomy, you know.

And I think it would like you to think you're warding get away.

I think it would be useful for it, as long as you're not doing calling on Christ, do your little dance and think that you're keeping me away.

Great, more power to me, more delusion to you, you know.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go enter this body over here because this guy's dressing like me.

It's kind of I feel like we have to be we have to grow up about this.

I'm sorry.

I really don't think we have any authority over them unless we're you using the authority in the name of Jesus Christ.

I think that's the that's our problem.

And I think any anything that gives the illusion of that is false.

I think it's I don't think it's true.

You get like good shamans and bad shamans, for example, in like a lot of American Indian cultures, and you can go both ways.

You can work with the spirits to heal people, or you can work with spirits to kill people.

And often you'll need the help of a good sharman to fight off the curses of a bad charman who said a demon after you to kill you and make you sick.

You know what I mean.

It's kind of the only that's the only exactly like I think we're intentions being used, but it's not it's either way.

It's not good either way because you're still working with demons.

You know, the demons are still happy in a body, getting what they want, getting what, getting satiated and getting fulfilled.

So I think there's a lot of illusions.

I think there's a lot of lies out there.

I think it's a lot of doctrines of devils which keep people trapped into that that transactional relationship, that symbiotic or parasitical relationship they crave so much, But as soon as you get Christianity involved, they show their true colors.

They flee.

They get you're in trouble then, and their rituals are readered useless.

You know, it's gone.

The power is gone because they have no real authority over you or real power.

Once Christ is in the room and wherever you are, you have his authority gifted to you by him through his sacrifice as a Christian, as a believer.

So they're in trouble and they know that.

So it's kind of I don't really don't think.

I don't think your intention matters.

I think you can be a good person, you know, and still live in these cultures.

I think that's true.

You can love your children, love your mother, love your father, your wife, and have a simple life and so forth, and do these rituals because his tradition, and you can be a relatively good person on the surface.

But Jesus basically not one person will make a heaven, but through him, not one person is actually good.

We're all sinners.

We're all in trouble, you know, all of us.

And unless you've actually accepted his sacrifice and professed with your mouth that He came in the flesh, you are Antichrist, and you are not saved.

Whether you were a good person or not, it's not about that.

It's about the corruption, the sin, the sin that we all have.

No sin is greater than the other, you know.

And I don't think there's anybody who hasn't sinned in this world.

And broken the law of God.

So you might have good intentions, but you still broke the law.

So you're still going where a righteous judge can send you, because if you break the law, there's no exceptions for that.

He has to judge you accordingly.

And that is well, we call it hell or a distance from God or whatever you want to define that.

As you know, only a righteous judge can do that, And luckily he gave us a way to avoid that, but through his son, Jesus Christ and his sacrifice, because not one person can make it there without sacrifice, without his blood covering you in that final judgment.

And you know, I made a bit about this recent.

Are we really that innocent?

Anybody?

Any one of us?

When you really think about it.

We like to delude ourselves into thinking, well, I'm a good person, but are we really like we fall short every single day And it's kind of like if we want to believe God is good, then we deserve judgment for the bad things we did.

You know, a good God is just and fair.

That means punishing people when they break the law.

But when we do it, oh, it's cruel.

When he judges me for my trans transgression of the law.

Then he's just an evil, cruel, vindictive prison keeper.

It's like you can't pick and choose.

If you want to just righteous God, then all humanity gets judged accordingly, fairly, and if we've all fallen short and broken the law, that we all deserve the punishment.

So so I don't again, I don't think it matters.

Your attention doesn't matter, Like it's not nice, people don't want to hear it.

But maybe your culture's traditions are not of God, and that's a problem.

There's a reason why Christianity ripped through the earth through the Dark Ages onwards, and many people converted.

Many of these countries I'm talking about are predominantly Christian today, but still have these sects in these traditions carrying on in small cultures within the countries and the continents that continue these old practices.

So it's not like it's a monolith, you know what I mean.

Like Christianity is rife everywhere, like even in like the nun of the cultures in the northern regions, I think like seventy percent of the population is Christian, but there are still these smaller pockets of the populations that still practice these ancient traditions, and these are where we get echoes of the past, of what it was like before Christ, of what the demons were doing when they were venerated.

It's kind of like a continuation of these traditions, and we kind of like in the modern world, we make them national heritage things and protect them.

To protect these cultural heritage traditions, it's kind of that sounds nice on the surface.

I get it, But are you in at the end of the day just protecting demonic ruals?

Do you get what I means?

We have to really grow up at having these conversations about it if two people are too personally attached to these things, and Christ at the end of the day came to detach you from all of it.

The world, the world as it is, His kingdom is not of this world.

All of these strictions are of the world, and we're called to be separate from it.

So that's kind of my overall answer, Like, I don't think your intentions matter.

I really don't.

People really don't want to hear that.

All the wizards and the magicians out there think they're so smart and clever, really don't want to hear that either want to think they have some power and control over these things to their own power and knowledge and authority.

They have no authority without Christ behind them, they have nothing.

And I think they are being lied to if they think they do.

I think they're being messed around big time.

So that that's my answer in a long winded answer where it is.

Taking it back to and then we probably need to wrap it up here soon.

Man, I got shown other engagements and so do you.

So I appreciate your time.

When I mean you go back to the psychic psychedelic stuff, do you think that it just kind of goes to the intent thing a little bit too?

You kind of open your door, like if you do psychedelics and you go into.

That realm, whatever that realm is.

And to me, it's to me, it's kind of like this energetic world of frequency, if you will, and you're almost like a you know, like it's kind of like a dream state.

You have a channel a remote control and you're kind of just flipping through the channels of it and you land and whatever frequency that is.

But when you go there, you're kind of to me, it's like the forbidden fruit, right, you take it and you go and you get you access knowledge from some entities.

A lot of people go and they see these entities over there and they get you know, egoic transformations or you know, they have all these different ideas, like a lot of artists like you mentioned earlier, like led Zeppelin, for example.

I think Robert Plant was kind of he said that he was just kind.

Of channeling something.

He didn't know where the information was coming from.

I think Einstein even said something about like he just saw something in his mind and he was kind of writing, it's almost like channeling.

Do you think that you're kind of opening the door for demons when you go do these kinds of things to allow them into your vessel?

Because I know it's it's the same way with Christ.

You have to let Christ into your heart, you have to welcome him into your home.

And even Jesus said, if you, you know, take this, if you tell the spirits to get out, then your house is going to be clean and all this other stuff.

But if you don't fill it with love and light, then in the Holy Spirit, then you are going to get seven times more demons.

I guess you could say so.

I guess my point is, or my question is, do you think that you are opening yourself up to demonic activity when you do psychedelics and things like that.

Yeah, well, I think it's about contracts.

I think it's about spiritual contracts primarily.

And yeah, you are, in a sense making a contract with Christ when you say to him, I'm going to follow your ways, I'm going to follow your laws, and I'm going to accept the free gift you've offered me as a as a way to, you know, be free from the law in a sense, you know, or at least not burdened to buy the law anymore.

The law still exists, it still stands.

It's eternal, don't get me wrong.

But it's on him now.

His sacrifice was enough to cover you for the transgressions of such laws, you know.

And that's a contrasts a deal, and you know, and you have to accept the deal.

You have to accept it, you know, sign on the diidline that Okay, I'm a slave for Jesus now in a sense, you know, and you agree to that.

So I do think in many ways, the rules of the spiritual realm, the contractual, the legal side of it.

All the demons follow the rules.

I think they know the law very well, you know.

And I think they do play, especially Satan.

Satan definitely.

I don't think Satan's ever broken the law.

Like this is how clever he is, you know, I mean, he knows what he's doing essentially, you know, like he's not an idiot.

He'll make you do it.

He'll convince you to go and break the law.

He won't do it himself.

He's not that dumb, you know.

But that's kind of the trick that's always been played on humanity.

You know.

He makes us transgress the law on the doing himself.

He tempts us to do these things.

And I think when you are in the spirit realm, we're called to test the spirits.

That's kind of what we're told to do, Like, don't assume every spirit that comes to is benevolence has your best interest at heart.

Basically, test it and ask you who Jesus is, and if it denies Christ they came in the flesh, then it's of Antichrist.

So so we've been giving these basic rules to how to interpret and test spirits.

You know, do they deny Christ came in the flesh and died for us since resurrected or not?

And you'll find it's a say to you, well, you know, Christ is more like a form of mind.

It's kind of like a consciousness that we're all trying to attain.

Then you've got an antichrist liar on your hands here.

That entity is on your friend, Okay, it's lying to you.

And I think that in terms of demons, they don't care about the law.

They break it all the time.

I think the angels are a bit different, but I think the demons are already the hell bound in the sense, you know what I mean, there's nothing to it for them.

I don't think they have any issue lying to you and and just getting in your body, whether you like it or not.

I think, I really do think they they're like the highwaymen of the spiritual realm.

They don't care.

They'll rob your blind and kill you.

Then they don't care.

There's no whether you've signed a contract or not.

It's kind of like you play with fire, you get burned, type of situation.

You don't have to make a deal with the fire.

First.

You know it's gonna it's gonna burn you whether you like it or not.

It's kind of like cancer.

It's going to kill you, spread and kill you, whether you make a deal or not.

You know, it's sometimes it just happens and it's just a bad situation to be in.

And I think demons are that the epitome of that, a bad situation to be in and nothing good to be around.

So I think it's a little bit of this and a little bit of that depends what entities come to you with the DMT real and I think we're called to test the spirits, and I think when it comes to the jesters, they are specifically the sons of the angels, you know what I mean, and human women.

I think there are other entities in the DMT realm that aren't Nephelim necessarily.

I think there's precedents to say that there are humans who mutated themselves in the early days and became hybridized creatures, mutants x men.

They used to be men, you know.

I think that they may end up there once they're dead.

They may have given up the contractual right, but when they rewrote the DNA, they're no longer made in the image of God, and they're no longer compassible with Heaven.

So the stuck here on Earth.

Now, it's kind of like this, you broke the rules, you suffer the consequences.

So it's possible they're also there in this DMT realm, in many in many shapes and sizes and forms.

But I think that the specific ones are the neph of them.

I think they lie to people all the time, and they're always telling people different stories about who they are and what they are.

And read the trip reports, you know, they'll tell you, oh, yeah, you know, we're in two dimensional creatures, or we're a reflection of your collective psyche of humanity, or we're here to teach you how to transcend out of your body and lose your ego or something like this.

And there is nothing more egotistical than thinking you've lost your ego.

I'm sorry.

Like that's a synoxymoron through and through.

It's it's such a feeding off our pride type of lie, you know, like I'm special now because I don't have an ego anymore.

It's kind of like that makes me better than you, which is egotistical, a horrible there's a horrible cycle to be in.

It's not a good look and it's cringey, you know.

And but I think when it comes to permissions that I think that's the wrong language.

I think it's contracts.

I think it's deals.

And the good thing is about Christ is you can break and destroy those spiritual contracts if you make them like you can.

I think the hat I've I've kind of theorized that the hat man is like because he's very different.

He's not a clown, he's not a nephilim.

I don't know what he is.

If some people think he's the devil or something, but I think it's more like an accountant or a lawyer for the for the spirit realm.

He goes around making sure that the contracts are fulfilled or up to date, or you know that you're fulfilling your end of the bargain.

Is that type of guy.

He goes around, he's just like doing the busy work, the paperwork for the for the for the contracts that being created for demons all over the place.

You know.

Now, the thing is you can make a contract with a demon.

I think the demon will break it still even if you made a contract.

But in a.

Way, I suppose it's more evidence against you in the in the final court, the Great White through and judgment that you have your signature, your tacit agreement on a piece of paper or a contract with a demon, you know what I mean.

But you uphold your end of the bargain.

Doesn't mean the demon will.

I think that's the problem with it.

There's a lot of lies and deceptions about the whole situation that I think they do make contracts to guilt you into thinking you have to keep keep it up.

But the iron is, the great truth is, the wonderful thing is the good news is that that contract is void.

Immediately you're a child of God.

They do not own you, they didn't, They have no jurisdiction over you whatsoever.

It's an illusion.

It's a lie, you know.

And you can break that spiritual contract like that and walk away, and you could don't have to keep it your under the bargain either.

You're not obligated, you know, spiritually contractually obligated, because that contract is no the void from the beginning, because it's rooted in lies and deception and you know, your due compensation.

I'll say, it's that kind of thing.

So it's got this is it's it's it's tricky, you know, it's a spiritual warfare is complicated.

Vicky jo Anderson talks a lot about this whole contractual element of it all.

But I do think they they play the legal game, but they have no legal standing.

So it's kind of it's very clever.

It's an illusion, the very the very tricky creatures, pure jokers to pure gesters when you really think about it, you know, the tricksters.

Yeah, listen, I'm a Christian, so I think obviously I think the same thing as well.

I know that there are a lot of people out there who believe that they're really talking with Pleadians and the Council of Light and all these other things.

Like I personally think that all of that is complete nonsense, and that's the devil, you know, trying to convince them that they are angels of light and all.

This other stuff.

But we're kind of dropped off here on this planet with the only guidebook we have is the Bible.

So how do people find out about Jesus that don't have any I mean, they're just dropped off with no armor, no other.

Than the Bible.

Right, But again, we're not You and I have the Bible because we were born into Christian countries, but they don't have that in Papua New Guinea, you.

Know what I mean.

Where there's people living in the jungle still, So how do we arm ourselves against this kind of deception?

And you know, sort of, why would we not have something like other than our gut and our intuition.

Why would we not have something that would help us get along in this in this in this reality will help us know Christ better.

I think in this time after the New Covenant is that the law's written on our hearts.

And I think that is for all those people who don't have access to Bibles too.

I think we all now know what is the law and when we're sinning and try when we transgress the law, which is why I think Christianity spread so quickly when it did spray, when people do reach these tribes, because they finally realize this makes sense.

I know this to be true.

It's on my heart that this is true.

I know the law, and I know what we're doing is in some way not the way it should be, and it pulls them to it.

You know.

I think a fair and righteous judge will look upon the people who didn't have access to a Bible and will be able to have mercy.

You know, that's how it works.

And I don't know that's up to him.

That's not up to me.

It's not up to me, you know, it's up to God the day whether he judges righteously or not on these people who never had a chance to hear the Word through written text format.

But I think the Word, or at least the law of God is written on our hearts.

So in a way, that's the way to have a relationship with Jesus Christ, because you know, the Word of God is Jesus, it's not a book.

You have to remember that.

And Jesus Christ is a supernatural being.

You know.

I believe in a supernatural God.

I believe in a supernatural existence and a supernatural son of God and the rest of it.

It's not just like a matter.

Wasn't just a man or a powerful figure.

He can raise the dead, you know, he was a supernatural.

He walked on water, you know, he stopped the storm.

He did.

He has power, you know, real power over the earth.

And I think he can come to those people in those isolated places and have a relationship with them with or without an ink on paper.

So I have faith.

I'm not worried about those people.

I think they're probably okay.

I'm sure God is doing whatever he needs to do with those people in whatever way necessary.

I'm sure he will reveal himself to them when needed in his own time and has nothing to do with us, Like that's kind of how I was, you know, And that's okay by me.

That's okay.

We're blessed that were We are in a Christian nation and you know we have access to the written word.

Absolutely, But I, as somebody who was not raised a Christian, my first relationship with Jesus came not necessary through the book with your experience that led me to the word after the fact.

So I think you can do that to anybody, any word, no matter where you are on the earth.

So I'm not I'm not worried.

I'm not worried.

And listen, if you don't have Jesus in your life, I'd like to invite you to accept Jesus into your heart right now since we're talking about it, because I think that's the most important relationship you can have in your life.

But I think we should rap it, go ahead and ended on that.

Man, I gotta hit out.

I got a Little League baseball game the coach, and I'm sure you got many more podcasts, especially with Halloween coming up here in sixteen days.

I'm sure you've got a lot of people want to talk about clown masks and all this other stuff.

So sure, go ahead and let.

The folks know one more time where they can find yet man, and we'll go ahead and land this bird.

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