Glenn Mason said a long time ago at the University of Minnesota, you need a Pair and a Spare.

Thank you, PJ.

It is time for another edition of the Pair and a Spare podcast.

I'm justin guard from the fan.

We've got Chipskoggins from Knoxville, Tennessee Today and Ryan Burns from Gopher Illustrated dot com.

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How's everybody doing?

You made it back?

Burnsy from Oregon in one piece.

I really got to stop taking these five thirty in the morning flights the day after night games.

I think you guys are insane.

For doing it.

Oh, you gotta take those first one out, always, first one out.

That's the beat writer code.

But at what cost?

Listen to Burnsy, He sounds like I did last week.

At what cost?

But my this is my Verry Manilow episode.

Yeah, I mean at.

What cost sleep and rest?

When I was a beat writer.

Well, you said you gotta play hurt.

The season's hard, man, you got to get up and get back.

NBA teams stay the night after the game.

That's how important sleep is.

So why why do we think out of shape beat writers can just bang out a five point thirty after a night here we directly in.

My eyes as you say that, I think I don't do it.

But I don't do it.

If I had a choice, you know, I have to fly home right after, which is no picnic either.

I would never take the six am out ever.

Ever.

Ever, I would get some rest and I would get my work done on the plane that I needed to get done.

I think you guys are crazy for doing the whole I'm just gonna stay up all night, basically, get nine minutes of sleep, and then think I'm gonna be great moving forward.

Well, my real thumb is it's Okay.

Because of it, certainly.

But I'm with Chip.

I want to get home.

Yeah, get home, And I always think give yourself the best chance to get home.

The later you go, the more things can pile up, flights can get behind, delays.

Just take the first one out.

You're not going to sleep anyways in a hotel, right, You're gonna be tossing turn and worried about the you know everything else that's going on.

Just get up and get going.

Let's go.

Well, Chip, I didn't tell you about my Friday situation.

I'm sure you're well aware of the fa I had a forty four minute layover in Salt Lake City on the day of the game, where if I missed that layover there wasn't another flight into Eugene until like eleven pm.

I'm proud I gave you that short of a layover when you booked it.

Okay, I made it with plenty of time to spare because I luckily got in a little bit early.

But I can't even imagine.

Chip.

Let me ask you, this is the longest layover that you would actually do that you think you have enough time?

So the shortest, last.

Shortest, okay, shortest.

I tended like at least an hour.

That's kind of my baseline.

Anything less than an hour, I'm sweating bullets the whole flight, and the whole you get on the plane, you're like, push it back, let's go, sit down, people, let's go.

We gotta go.

I'm on the intercolum let's go.

Chips in the back.

I'd be like Guards, he grabbing my stuff and sprint and past all the people would be that guy.

Yeah, well but you but that would be fun.

That's what's that's what it's built for.

That's what they always say.

If we've got tight you know, if you're in Detroit or Atlanta or Salt Lake and other hub we got tight connections, you gotta go.

I have no problem with that.

I still can't get over that Guards.

He actually wore a planel to the Pacific Northwest.

And for those of you who got to meet the great Justin Guard at the Soda Social, it sounds like you had a lot of fun with them.

It was fun.

Yeah, Soda Social was great.

I texted you guys, it was a lot of fun.

I get a lot of comments on my one flannel shirt.

I get a lot of comments on it, and I got to give a shout out to branded bills, you know, the hats that I wear on the sidelines and the hats the people that make our hats for Kfan.

Every year i'm where I am right now, I probably have forty branded bills hats like Kfan Gopher stuff.

I give them to people just kind of along the way, because even though I wear a hat every day, I don't need them.

But they also make clothing and that was part of the package this year was that kind of maroon flannel, which is perfect for gopher soda social especially in the north woods of the Pacific Northwest.

I mean, didn't it look like I just got off my shift to some kind of lumberjack in the hills with Salem, just wanted to have a beer before I went back up to split bar logs.

Yeah, the flannel gets a lot of attention.

I wore to practice one day and I'm not going to say which coach came over.

But you didn't even say it's my face.

I had to find out like third hand, like what are we making grumpy old men three over here?

Like I'm Walter Matthow.

It's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I you know it's first of all, it's like my jacket right now, I don't really have a jacket that I like to wear.

And the one day I don't wear like a logoed polo like Chip is right now, Like that's my whole wardrobe, logoed polos kfe and Gophers, Timberwolves, Vikings, Final Fours, Super whatever.

I'm that guy.

And so anytime I wear something that is logo less, people notice.

And you clearly did burnsy.

I'd just like to imagine you walking.

I just wish you would have been wearing like a beanie on your head too.

So you just got off and you know, you're just trying to have a nice little triple quadruple IPA.

And now this weekend, what did I get you to agree already to take on Friday night when you and I are out with the masses.

I don't even know what this is that you're talking about.

Chip.

It's some drink that he keeps bringing up that I have no idea what it is.

It's a Chicago delicacy.

Which here is my here's my plea to the listeners.

And I know there's copious amounts of you that'll be making this trip down for the Wrigley game.

I want you all to try Alort, and I can guarantee they're going to have it at Chip's favorite former establishments in Chicago, which I've heard.

You got a bar, You're like, from what I've heard, Chip, you know how Mike Leech has some barstools that are up in the rafters and I've actually seen them in Key West.

I've heard Chicago for you, specifically anywhere around the O'Hare airport because you love that airport so much.

Yeah, you and Kevin Seaford.

I think, Yeah, Like, I want everybody to trymlort at the bar and then send us a report.

That's all I'm asking.

Here's what it is.

I've never heard of that.

I've lived in Chicago.

I've never heard of that.

The same thing.

I've been to Chicago a million times, and I feel like I've never heard of it.

Here.

Here's what it is.

It's an intensely bitter wormwood based liquor.

Originally a Swedish digestive that is famously associated with Chicago.

Known for its unforgiving taste, which some compare to pencil shavings or old tires, it has become a local rite of passage and a popular drink in the city.

Sounds great.

Yeah, up.

Shot YouTube.

Look, you guys can.

Do it pizza.

Let me chase it with Mellord.

It's a shot or is it something you sip?

What is it?

I would take it as a shot as someone who's done enough of it in my life.

Oh my gosh, I can't believable.

You're down for this, Burns.

He's a guy who drinks rum runners with umbrellas that you're also excited about shaving up alert shot pencil shavings with old bitter blend three bees right there.

It's like the Better Business Bureau.

Okay, it'll be just fine.

It'll go down real smooth.

So we'll see if people look wherever guards you and I are Friday night, Well, we're gonna see what you what your reaction is.

I'll do it with you'all.

Hold your hand.

We'll be just fine together.

Here's what I can promise you with the eleven o'clock kick.

Yeah, you tweet at me if you guys want to talk to me on Friday night, I won't be doing a whole lot.

I won't be doing a whole lot with the eleven o'clock kick, But in all seriousness, I texted both of you guys from the Soda Social.

I think everybody that went to Eugene as a Gopher fan listens to Pair and a Spare and Gopher gerd Iron Radio.

It was the best.

It is always the best.

And actually Grim was with me.

I was there.

I went over to a friend of mine and his family where his kids were over there.

So we went over there and met up and Grim and I and Grim.

Grim was going to do some work and I said, well, if you're not doing any work, come over with me to the Soda Social.

And he hasn't been to one in a while.

He hasn't been to one like that in a while, I don't think, because he didn't go to the one in La I don't think, right, Berns.

It was just you and me, and we know Chip wasn't there.

We got a great tweet on why Chip wasn't able to go to Eugene by the way, that it was karma for not going to the Chip laying Bowl a couple of years ago.

Fortune favors those that brave Detroit on December twenty sixth, But there was a lot of Gopher fans there like there.

You know, the section was full.

They were Gopher fans sprinkled throughout the stadium.

I swear all of them are at the Soda Social and I swear all of them arepair and a spare listeners.

And Grimmer after a while was like, well, now I know why you would like to come to these because everybody was coming and they were talking to Grim about how great he was.

And it was a good tire pump for Grim.

I think he needed his tires pumped after a few things that have happened this season with the broadcast that I don't want to have heard that I don't want to get into because I don't want to get in trouble.

But I think it was a good Uh.

It was a good tire pump for Grimmer.

And everybody's concerned about everybody's concerned about Chippers phone percentage, which is great.

Make sure he's good.

Everybody was sad that you weren't there.

And at one point I had three people in a row bring me an IPA yeah, but which was not necessary, not necessary, but it was.

It was so funny how it just happened out of nowhere, where like one person came over and said, hey, I know you need an ipa, so I'm holding it.

I'm like, great, thanks, you know, not necessary.

I'm happy to buy my own drinks here at claim fifty two.

Very nice of you, Thank you, thanks for listening.

Yep, we love doing the show.

And then somebody else brought one over, so now I got two, and I'm just sitting there in my flannel like this, like okay, and then out of nowhere, somebody else comes over and hands me a different ipa, So now I gotta find a shelf.

So now I'm in this bar and I got to find a shelf.

And I don't think I drank all of them, but it was appreciated.

But anyway, thanks everybody for listening.

Please tell a friend it is.

It's fun to meet everybody, and it's fun that you guys are in on the inside jokes and that you're concerned about Burnsy's rum.

Runners.

I sent you guys the picture of the woman who reminded me of the Halloween Baby.

That's so crazy to me, by the way, not even like I'm not even there and we're getting the Halloween Baby references here.

Yeah.

Abe.

His son came over and he said, hey, you see that guy over there.

That's the guy that reminded you about the Halloween baby bit.

Come out over we gotta get a picture.

Let's go.

We got to get a picture.

So it was great.

It was awesome, and that's the fun part.

Right.

The game was a complete debacle.

We understand that, right.

It was a terrible game.

The Gophers were again non competitive, but I bet every Gopher fan that went out there had an absolute blast at Eugene.

And that, to me is college football.

You're not promised the result.

You never promised the result.

You hope for the result.

I know Luke talks about that all the time.

Burnsy Loop.

You are on Gopher grid iron.

You're not promised the result.

It's sports.

You have no idea what's going to happen.

But the experience people had, the Creative Charters group that was staying in our hotel, Steve Urban's crew, they had a full plane, they had it.

Talking to them all day on Friday.

Sounds like they had an awesome time Like that to me is why it's fun.

And just hearing people's stories about how long they've been traveling together and the games that they've went to, or tail getting together where they met up how they met each other.

It's so cool, and you guys were both missed.

Got It's tough for me to take all the compliments for the group, all right, It's really hard for me to take all the compliments for the group.

I'd like to spread it out a little bit amongst you guys, because I think you guys could use your tires pumped every once in a while.

Not all heroes wear capes.

Chip says that about you often.

Guard somewhere flannel.

Some do wear flannel, but even the ADTs and like Chip, I wish you could have been there because I thought the end game production of how even between TV timeouts or whatever it was, was one of the best I've seen in fifteen years.

Easily, it helps when you're winning, yes, but the way that they're able to keep the crowd engaged in going during every single one of these stoppages is incredible, and the energy in the stadium was awesome.

I was talking to Grimmer about this at the Vikings game yesterday was he was covering.

He said that any pause during time out, they just played one song and it was just like fans knew every song.

They were singing everything.

Well, I was jealous.

I'm not gonna lie, I'll tell you I was.

I was envious, jealous, whatever the word was.

When they came back from the time out into the fourth quarter and they just did They showed the stands and they were singing, and that place just looked electric.

And the thing I thought was really cool was and I texted you guys, I was like, is this as cool as it looks like on TV?

Because I'm jealous, I'm not there, but like blowout game, let's be honest, not exactly a marquee opponent in their world, but those fans were still there like it was a big deal, right, They didn't leave.

It was loud.

Yeah, I again, I say it last week I was jealous I didn't get to go, and then seeing it on TV and seeing just that atmosphere, I really wish I could have got the experience.

It against the credit card information it came out with us.

Yeah, you gotta just get it.

You just got to do it for your own You just gotta do it sanity.

Yeah.

Yeah, because I.

What I said this to you yesterday burns e on go for football Sunday as I'm it might have been during shout I actually think it was during the first quarter break.

What was the song?

It wasn't Country Road take Me Home it was?

Or was it they that?

Yeah, so it might have been after that.

Which what a song.

I gotta fire that up, like and just listen to it all day and everybody's singing it at some point, Yeah, everybody's singing it.

The lights are going off.

It's like not warm but not cold in Eugene, Like there's no rain.

It just like feels like it's just a nice night.

And I go, I'm standing there.

I'm like, if I ever hear like Pete thamil D or Bruce Feldman say that Dan Lanning is a candidate for another job, I think they should be fired.

Dan Lanning is never leaving Oregon ever.

If Dan Lanning leaves Oregon, he's an idiot.

And I don't think he's an idiot because I'm looking at the new football building that they're building, not to be confused with the old one that's not old.

I'm looking now.

Their stadium is nothing to write home about, right, It's fifty four thousand people.

But I kind of like that because it creates a demand.

They could probably sell double that.

I don't know and I'm just he's got everything he needs.

He's got every player that he could possibly want, He's got every facility.

Look, people that it looked like the people that live in Oregon like living there, seems like a very nice place to live.

I'm just like, if he's ever if he ever leaves Oregon, he's an idiot.

So I just don't think that he is ever.

That was my big takeaway.

Yeah, with the amount of money that they get to spend on their roster, thanks Phil Knight for the amount of facilities that they have, It's I can see why Dan Lanning never wants to leave, never should he leave.

And because he's now got a roster that you can absolutely go into a college football playoff and not only win a game, but actually can heat in my mind, for a national title.

I mean that team on Friday night, they played at a very very high level, as so many of the Gophers opponents on the road have all season long.

Yep, I mean yeah, no, I mean I cant have a.

Kid with strep throat over here telling me her every move that time of year, right, Yeah, it's like our ninth bout with strep throat.

It's really hatstag blessed over here taking.

To the place like watching that on TV.

You know, I wrote a column for Friday saying, no one's expecting him to win this game, but can you at least make a fight of it?

Can you at least not get blown off the field?

Can it is?

You know, the bar is not that high.

Just show up.

They were so overmatched into trenches it was not even funny, Like you knew three minutes into that game like this was gonna be a long night.

They hit, they just.

This.

I'm trying to figure out how to frame this season.

But it's.

When you're that non competitive and that far away from the top, I don't know, it's it's I think there's a good chance they finished eight and four, which I picked, although I'm not convinced they're going to win both of these last two games.

But it certainly has not gone the way I thought it would to get the eight and four.

I mean, they are one of the worst offenses in college football.

They just are.

You look at the numbers, it says it.

Defensively, the tackling is atrocious.

It has been all year, and they just have not been good in the trenches.

I don't know how you guys frame it.

I mean, some people say, yeah that you know, I mean the Big ten teams they've beaten, they're what six and twenty three those teams combined, Big Ten.

It's hard for me to get worked up and say this is a great season.

I'm sorry, It's just this feels like a very, very very average team.

There's a lot to looking toward the sky.

You're looking toward the Oregon sky.

What are we thinking about here?

Like?

I hate?

I mean, I'm I'm spending money to go to these games like anybody else and watching them absolutely get slobb orknocked, I think, which is a good way to describe it.

Is disheartening.

And trust me when I say again, we're we're asking the questions in the tent afterwards, where's why why are you so far away?

And I know that the staff over there would point to, well, what do you want us to do?

We don't have the money?

And I would tell you probably the money difference from what Oregon has to Minnesota has is in terms of what they spend on their players, ten to fifteen million more, probably somewhere in that range.

Thank you, Phil Knight, And I forget who the other big sponsor is of the field.

I forget it's not Phil Knight, but it's somebody else.

Like that's where the staff would tell you it starts.

I would tell you it also starts where.

Why are you the way that you are in the trenches because you have empty high school recruiting classes.

This is not an institution that can go into the portal and get the players that they need to get, Like Oregon can who I think one of their tackles, they was the number one player in the portal.

Like you saw that, they took four portal alignment, the two guys at right tackle and right guard who haven't played really well at any point this season, and then they got two others on the bench.

So you have some dead money on the bench.

You have the two starters on the right side of the line that aren't playing well.

But why did you have to take so many It's because you didn't recruit well from the high school ranks in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty three, And for a place like Minnesota, this whole thing has to be built from the high school ranks because the guys are no longer here.

They're just not good.

Whatever the reason is, I mean, that's how you watch on even the I'll be the first to tell you I agree with ship the offense stinks, But why do they stink?

It's because they stink up front.

I had Derek Burns on the podcast yesterday Ormer Gold and Go for offensive line, and he watches this team closer than anybody knows offensive line play.

He called this the least physical offensive line in the Fleck era.

Like, what do you want to do when on the first play they try to drag a tight end across the line of scrimmage, he gets knocked back by the center because the center gets shoved three yards into the backfield.

Then he gets run into by the left tackle, who gets shoved four yards back into the backfield.

Or you're calling seven man protections to try and keep this Oregon defensive line at bay who's rushing for and they're getting home.

I like, there's only so many things you can do as an offensive coordinator.

And I feel like I've talked about this every week.

There's a lot of blame to go around in the offense or even the defense who allowed Dante Moore to set a single game organ completion record without his top two receivers, may I add, and never forced a single punt while Dante More was in the game.

Like there's blame to go around everywhere, but offensively, if you're just not good upfront, there isn't a single play you can call.

I mean, I'm watching Koy Parritch chips guy run orbit motion like read option with Drake Lindsay to try and get four yards.

Like that's where this thing is at is they can't run the football.

And that's that's been the story all year.

It's been the story, unfortunately for Harbow in his three years here calling the offense.

It's not just one thing, but I just if you're not good upfront, and I think some guys on the offensive line had bad days against what is probably the most talented defensive line they will play all season.

And I mean no disrespect to the freaks at Iowa, the freaking House eight.

But that's where I was chip right in front of us in the press box was like an entire row of NFL scouts, And so I went down there and I talked to an AFC scout and I was like, how good is this defense?

Because they're the number two defense in all of college football, and they pulled up like their little sheet of like draftable grades.

I think like ten of the eleven players for Oregon had draftable grades, including like top four round selections for every starting defensive line.

Yeah they were good.

I mean, well, they played really well.

But why does that keep happening against the Gophers on the road is my question.

Yeah, well, you knew it too from that first series where Harball was like Harbor's treat I mean, try some things you'd never seen, goofy formations.

I mean that to me, Okay, we're over matched, let's just try, you know, let's get weird here.

Yeah, Drake Lindsay is not given the best opportunities to succeed here because it's you know, the lines fail on him and then you can't run the ball, and then he's under pressure.

And I think you see after one of the sacks and Fox showed it, I mean, he gets sacked on again, one of his tackles just gets beat and they show it and slow moll afterwards he's just ripping the offensive line.

Yeah.

After something like that, which I'm sure and I think you're starting to see in his play, he's starting to get antsy.

Yeah, well, for sure, he's starting to feel it.

He's the pressure in the in the not having time is starting to get to him.

I think he's getting sped up.

He's getting a little skins there.

I mean, that just happens.

We see it.

But You're right when you talked about because I've been thinking about this.

You know, we we we heard from day one of Pj's tenure that cultural sustainability, that's what you have to have.

Cultural sustainability, that's the key to everything.

I mean, he's the second longest tenured coach in the big ten right now.

So and it was sold as like there's this big payoff coming if you have culture sustainability, there's this big payoff coming.

What's the big payoff?

Like, we're what's this going to be?

I mean, where where's it going to show up?

And you talk about the money, And that's always the comeback every time you hear they get every time they get blown out, well it's messover.

They broke, they have no money, they can't compete, and there's there's you know, obviously when you're going against Ohio State, you know some of these blue bloods, they are at a deficit there, but they do have money, and if you spend it on the wrong talent, then that compounds the problem.

And I think they've done that and so they have to take a real hard look.

And I don't know if it's PJ.

Garrett whoever runs there, because this is part of the deal.

Now, like they're gms, this is professional football.

How do we allocate this money?

Well, are you going to give money to a ton of money to Darius Taylor who's a great player when he's healthy, but he misses a lot of games.

Are you going to take that money and say we're gonna put it all in the trenches and we're gonna go out and get a kick ass left tackle in the portal?

These are the conversations that are so important now in today's college football that they never had to deal with that.

Minnesota, they cannot spend money on portal editions in those players not pan out.

I mean they just can't.

It's it's at Oregon.

You can make up mistakes.

Oh a house state, you can make up mistakes.

You can go spend more money, like Minnesota can't do that.

And I think that's we say they don't have money.

They do have money, but they just can't spend the money they have and make mistakes.

They can't have as much dead money as they have, Like they'd be lost without guys like say John Nester or Javon Tracy who made a nice behind him catch there for a touchdown.

But the amount of dead money that they have sitting there and it's again, they have fourteen million dollars like the rest of every Big ten team, that is not an advantage for them.

Let me so much of it isn't playing from the portals specifically, that cannot happen again in January if you want this team to be better for Drake, Lindsay and whoever else is on this.

Offense, total between portal and I, what do you think they're at seventeen million?

Six million?

Him?

What if you're guessing, I'm not going to get into that, that's not going to do me any good.

So, like, but you said you know and you can't tell us well, I mean, you said Oregon fien million more.

I think that's probably a good spot to be Chip.

I think you're probably accurate, but like that's where okay, you know, I'd say Nebraska is.

Probably twenty five million at least, like.

Or Michigan state's got more like every Look, I don't want this to get into just like a money discussion, because Minnesota is where they are, Like I looked into this yesterday, Like I think they're sixteenth and spending fourteenth and revenue like they struggle to get donations.

They struggle.

I mean they struggle.

And this this is something that goes back to before Coil.

I mean this is the matire area.

Like they've struggled to get a whale and or a couple of whales, and whether that's because of the black of winning over the years, but like they need for the money that they do have.

I think it comes back to the crux of your discussion.

Chip.

They have to hit at a higher rate than they did out of the portal.

They also have to hit at a higher rate than they do out of high school.

And like, I like this high school class they got coming in.

But I'm not gonna expect Andrew Trout to come in here and play left tackle in the Big Ten as a true freshman and expect it to go well, Like it won't.

So how does My thing is?

How do you fix the offensive line for twenty twenty six?

Right?

If just you are what you like you have the allotment that you have to spend for portal guys, and you've seen kind of the caliber of guy that Minnesota can afford in the portal.

And I'll tell you, good portal, old lineman, the price is always only gonna go up.

Well, And this is why I'm always I get always frustrated with the money talk because I think it's too easy and too convenient to say sot of has no money, how they ever gonna compete?

We can confidently say Michigan State has a lot more money than them, right, Mischief State's one of the two worst teams in the Big Ten.

They don't have a Big Ten win.

They' row and seven.

Nebraska you just said has a lot more money than them.

They wiped them off the field.

It was a mismatch, right, Penn State reasonably sure.

They got a lot more money than men.

So they're one and six in the Big Ten.

So we can't just say anytime they lose the game, wow, hit they're sorry, Sorry, Yeah, sorry.

Thanks, that's in the right buttons today, I know.

That's why.

That's why it drives me crazy, Like that's the fallback excuse for everything.

There's no money, there's no money.

Well, that's that takes everybody.

That's too convenient.

It's it's it's a it's a crutch.

It is a it is a thing that they have to deal with.

But it's not a it's not a one size fits all money is going to cure everything.

Because we see teams that have a lot more money that are terrible this year.

I just think so many things in college football can be both can be true.

Minnesota wishes they had more money and they could probably get better.

I would also say they're winning.

They're winning without without all the money.

Like you asked, what the the payoff is?

I mean, I think to me, the payoffs are, they haven't been bad bad, like bad bad in nine years, right, like COVID they weren't very good.

I mean they had a five and seven, but they haven't had these years that we're talking about Michigan State do like they have so that they've been six right wins, right, So they're they're stable, they're consistent, they're kind of what Mace was right and people got sick of that.

Right.

The other payoff is, I think to Burnsy's point, and not to interrupt you, Burnsy, but I've been running around with a strip through child.

Oh who's here again?

This is good?

And then my computer was going to die.

Hold on, we just got to open the water bottle here.

I was just found out she doesn't have strips and all I got to get her to school after this.

So this is the this is what I'm dealing with.

Yeah, it's just you know, it's great.

The other payoff is you just even just take the in state recruiting the last five years, they've got the best player every every time.

Yeah, like like so that's I think part of it.

Like that's where that's Yeah, they haven't they didn't go to the Rose Bowl, they didn't win the West.

I get it.

There hasn't been the big, big, big payoff.

But I think it's been a net positive to have him here for nine years and see where it's going.

Now, what was I going to talk about before I had to open the water bottle?

Of money?

The money, the.

Money, Like you just it puts so much pressure on you to be right, and when you're wrong, then you're toast in certain spots.

And that's what we're seeing in the offensive line right and they just they have to figure out a way to recalibrate that and not be wrong as often because it just that is just part of their deal.

It just is part of their deal that they can't really afford the mistakes or over paying, certainly not paying guys that aren't going to play, and so they maybe they got to get more aggressive in that in that way, or they just got to go find more money.

They got to say, you know what we because Coyle always said after the Ohio State game, Coyle said he left that more optimistic than anything because he thinks the gap will be somewhat closed with the money that they can pay.

And I followed up with them the next week and I said, I got to be honest.

I didn't leave with that feeling.

I left and same with Oregon.

I left with thinking, yes, it has made the middle better.

I know you burns it.

You've talked about that a lot with Derek.

It's made the middle and the bottom better.

Right, even the bad teams have good players, like probably more than they have.

It's made it harder to just dial up a win against certain teams.

But I also think it's allowed the haves to continue to be the haves and separate the way that they always have like it's there's been some disruption, there have been different teams that have popped up there, but because the reason they popped up there is because they decided, like Indiana, to start investing at a super high level right, something that they had never done before.

So I see all sides of it.

You just got you got to be smarter.

You gotta be smarter with the money that you have, and you got to maybe in some cases be luck here with the money that you have.

I don't know.

Birds, do you get a sense that when you look at roster construction that they will fundamentally I mean, do you go all in on skill guys?

Do you go all in because I think I still think it's I think they got the quarterback, that's I agree.

I think you go all in in trenches and because tale as all as time, I mean, that's where football is won, and we see it when they get overmatched there.

It's there's they get wiped off the field.

I mean, it's just it's where it starts.

I mean that's what I would do.

Now.

It's again easier I think in theory than in practice.

And we've we've spent a lot of time on this, but like Marcus Hendrickson and Garrett turn Off and those guys, and they go for football department there, I mean, their evls have to be better like and they have to figure out how they want to structure this thing for whatever their monetary budget is to have two skill guys and Darius Taylor and even Saint Koy parrots in the top five.

I mean, there's some very interesting decisions that they have to make before the portal opens a Jamie, and they don't have to make those decisions today, but those discussions have to be had today of how do you like what is the specific allotment that you have for each position going forward?

And how do you try to what do you tweak or change in your evaluations on say the offensive line, the defensive line.

Places like that to get better because they are sixteenth and spending, like I said, just as an athletic department.

But the two teams below them and spending Maryland and Purdue are just dreadful programs, like they have overachieved for what they have spending wise or even I looked at I told you guys about this in the pre production meeting, Like I like the Night Commission.

I think does a great job.

And I went online to one of their websites to see what Minnesota spends on football, and they have it over the last five years of data, so I think that's a good recent, accurate sample size.

The Gophers have spent thirty seven percent more on football over the last five years.

That's great.

But guess what the media Big ten team median so right in the middle, is spending sixty one percent more.

So you're not even spending more.

Like we're seeing like decisions like Luke Fickle being retained and Mike Loxley being retained, and they're athletic directors coming out and saying we're going to pour more money into them, give them more resources, and I kind of agree with that, and especially in this coaching carousel cycle.

So when are we going to see Mark Coyle say, you know, for what we are, you know, paying them?

Like to Chip's point, you know, eight and four doesn't feel great knowing what you you know, you got just destroyed in four games?

Do you have me?

Teams are killed to be eight and four?

Like this is both things can be true with you know, whether it ends up being six and six, seven and five, eight and four, if they get to eight and four.

It's a great coaching job by the staff, but they're also the ones that put themselves in this position because of miss talent about evaluations that they then just got destroyed on the road.

Where is the I don't know if they've broken it down, you know this specifically, but where are they getting out spent?

Is it recruiting?

Is it salary coach of salaries?

Is it sports staff?

Is it what.

We pay.

That takes that didn't take in the inter spent on players?

Right, that's just administratively, that is just things you can put in a line item that is presented to x y Z's board of regents or university president, whatever that may be.

That does not include nil, which is still the giant gray area.

And that's where you just have to kind of listen to us to tell you this is what x y Z School has.

So that's the frustrating part.

But it's just I want to see, especially with you know, we'll see if the private equity goes through, But just if you want them to take the next step, they have to be better in their emails.

But they also need more help.

I also feel like we're thirty five minutes in and haven't talked about a defense.

But like I said, I know that Chip was a big Joey Harrington guy guards to you, or big into Kellen Clemens.

I'll take Justin Herbert.

Yeah, But for the amount of NFL quarterbacks that Oregon has produced, for Dante Moore to set the single game completion record for Oregon and not in Minnesota, not force a punt like we've spent so much time on the offense.

If Oregon's gonna score forty two points and not punt the football, none of it matters.

I tell you from watching on TV.

He made it look pretty easy too.

I mean it was not a lot of it.

Look he was under stress.

It was just pitch and catch.

I mean, his accuracy, the way he there is a lot of space in that Gopher defense where he found guys, I mean, yeah, it just they're back in was nowhere near good enough.

And then the tackling, which has been a season long theme.

I mean the one where it looked like seven guys had him surrounded in their hands on him and he yep, he scores there.

I mean, it just can't happen.

It's just like every road game, they just don't play complimentary football, which for a team like Minnesota, you have to.

Yeah, the offense struggles, but the defense they do get my They did get me a takeaway, which was an offensive coordinator for Oregon calling a tunnel screen into then a pitch back to the running back on third and fifteen.

I can only imagine what the Chipskogins tweet would have been from the Eugene press box watching that live.

That was a coordinator that did not respect his opponent.

That's what that was.

You're right that he said, even if it doesn't work, we'll make it up.

Right, there's no pressure.

We can try some stuff.

There's fifty four thousand people here on a Friday night in Eugene.

Let's give him a show.

Besides the great music.

That's what that was.

They give up nine yards of play.

They've had one takeaway in their last four games.

Like, what did they do well?

Defensively?

They get sacks from time to time and that's great, but they just don't like this.

And then special teams.

You just never get anything in the return game.

And I feel for your boy, Koy Parritch Chip because if I've got to watch him try to return one more kicker punt to see like four unblocked guys running at him.

I just feel for him because this isn't uh, you know, Moose Lake type of guy's coming at them.

Denfeld, you've never respected Denfeld.

I don't know why you have such a disdain for Denfeld.

Why you want me to get into hermantown here.

It's a great program, a lot of good players up there to Louth East.

I don't know what your disdain is for the north Shore area, Chip and I love.

It, that's right.

I'm the only one who poured out some of my beer the other I think it was Monday or Tuesday for the twenty nine men who Edmund Fitzgerald Day.

Happy fiftieth anniversary to you two too, all right, But it's just this team on the road.

They just don't play complimentary football.

And now you get in Northwest, Well, here's the question I'll post to you guys.

Hold on, let's pause because we've got to get into Northwestern.

I know the question you want to ask.

We've got a few more things to talk about, and we've only got like fifteen minutes, so let's pause real quickly and then Burns He's got a burn zine question, Hey you segment spons sponsored by Icy hot Burn Zeene question.

He's got a question to ask us?

But Jack's Cafe is our outstanding partner.

And when we're at the so Social, well me, because you guys weren't there.

I've got a lot of people coming up and saying that they've been to Jack's, they liked going to Jacks.

They hadn't been to Jackson a while, they never heard of Jack's before the podcast, and they love going there.

They love Bill, they love the staff, they love the food, they love the drinks.

And I said, yeah, it's wonderful.

Like the best part about Jack's Cafe is I've always said, well one of them is that we don't have to sell you anything.

We don't have to think how are we going to sell Jack's Cafe to the masses today.

We just have to talk about it.

We just have to tell tell you what our experience is.

And we don't get any special experience because we're.

The parent of Spare podcast.

We get the same match books you do, we get the same stakes you do, we get the same drinks you do, we get the same brunch you do.

It's good for everybody.

I've never had someone come up to me and go, hey, what's the I don't understand the hype about Jack's.

We went there, it was just, you know, kind of mid as Berthsie would say, that's the beautiful part, right.

What we tell you is the gospel.

What we tell you is just a straight up truth.

And whether it's happy hour, lunch, brunch, dinner, date night, holiday parties, weddings that we just had right last weekend, it's just the best.

And we're grateful that so many of you have taken our word for it and gone over to Jack's Cafe.

I'll be there Wednesday night.

Boys.

I'm gonna be bringing my best man and his wife over there to celebrate their birthdays.

And I thought to myself, what can I do to be a steward, you know, serving and giving.

It's a mantra this podcast, and I thought, you know what we forget about me?

I love you the family does.

We often talk about it on this podcast.

So we're gonna be heading over to Jackson on Wednesday night.

I'm gonna get cremberlet for Chip, and I know that if I show up for a six o'clock reservation at five point fifty nine, there's gonna be free adequate close to right next to the restaurant parking.

For Chip's part about that all four of you are driving separately, just because.

You know there's gonna be a spot.

That'd be crazy.

There's gonna be room for you're it's gonna drive individual vehicles.

So just to flex on the parking.

Burns it be going steak or fish.

Steak I the Walleye, but some red meat, yeah, hendison on the ground.

Yet I'm gonna take it out in a nice fill at.

And you know what this is.

This is a season for holiday parties and just kind of holiday getting out your shopping.

Hey, where should we go have dinner tonight?

Special dinner.

That's the spot right you're downtown, you're shopping, you're out, or you have a holiday party.

Hey, let's let's go to Jackson.

It's gonna be memorable.

What's gonna be awesome.

You're gonna have a great time, So book it.

Book your holiday party there.

Breakfast with Santa's coming up too, and I can breakfast with Santa is awesome.

They do it upstairs in the room we were at.

If anybody was at the dinky Ton Athletes thing we did back in the summer, my son got his face paint as Santa, like full on Santa, and it's not like a face paint, it's like all white with the beard, and then like red.

We had thech running around in there, and then he had to go to hockey and he still has red paint in his hockey helmet from that day.

So he was a maniac after that.

But they've it's the best and we appreciate everybody again that came up in Eugene and talked about Jack's as well.

I know Bill loves that too.

All right, Burnsy the Burns in Question of the Week.

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But go ahead, you're burn Question of the Week for the podcast.

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So, Chip, would you rather cover a game both either as a member of the media, or as a fan for your Tennessee volunteers, and lose the way that the Gophers did, where you knew within the first fifteen minutes that it was going to be going one specific way, or lose the way that Northwestern did at Wrigley Field on Saturday, where they were plus five plus five in the take give found a way to lose, where Michigan also missed two field goals before that.

Which one would you rather have happened to?

You wonder you engage the entire time with, yeah, the end.

The other one you just get to mentally check out.

Here, blood Chip thinks, here's my answer.

My answer is, I'd like to be at whatever game is in Eugene.

I don't care.

What whatever game is in Eugene.

I'd like to be there.

That's a great question, because I would want to be engaged.

There's nothing like when a game's over, you know, accord into it, You're like, okay, this is this is not fun.

But having your heart ripped out and the frustration of having five turnovers and not winning, that would be you'd probably leave there a lot angrier and dejected.

I don't know, that's a great question.

I probably would still want to be engaged throughout the whole game, because at least you're having some drama and excitement.

Probably that I.

Just I can't even imagine because I watched some of it on the plane, and then I was able to see some of the David Brown press conference afterwards.

He's just desponded, angry because now Northwestern, I think, is oh and six in Wrigley Field after losing that game.

What do you think?

I mean, I'm sure somebody keeps track of this, but how often does a team in football have a five zero advantage in turnovers and lose?

That's almost got to be possible.

Yeah, it's got to be like a ninety five percent win probability.

Hired five in the take you which, like I said, Minnesota's got one takeaway in the last four games.

Northwestern had five against Michigan.

Where Bryce Underwood brother, he doesn't know what he is looking at.

Yeah, he's still for another freshman quarterback here.

But I'll also tell you, for those of you traveling down to Wrigley you could see towards the end of that game that field's already starting to get ripped up.

And now I look at the forecast for this week.

There's gonna be some rain that's going to be hitting that field.

We've also seen, whether it was the pin Stripe Bowl or who could forget when they opened the stadium up for the Guaranteed Ray Bowl and a driving rain five minutes before.

Like, this is going to be the worst playing conditions that they will play in unless they get put in the Pinstriper the Guaranteed Rape Bowl, which is probably one of their likeliest bowls for.

Their trending right now.

But they're gonna be playing in some horrific field conditions on Saturday.

I'm going to tell you that right now.

What do we need to know about Northwestern?

They're the same Northwestern team that you've watched for fifty five years where you're gonna go from Oregon you got out Jimmied and Joe to Northwestern.

They're banged up in certain spots for Guardsey.

I know, Chip wanted to know this.

You're, as I said, I to go for football Sunday, your narrative street angle.

Here is former Gold and Gopher right tackle Martees Lewis is starting for them at right tackle.

Print the shirts.

I mean, sure, hey, I hope to find another nugget for go fer.

Yeah, help me find a little more meat on that phone.

That's like the Lord of nuggets.

Yeah, the Lord of nugget.

Find something else.

No, they're I mean they want to run the football.

They don't have the greatest athletes in the world, but they're sound, they're physical.

It's every Northwestern team you've seen for the last twenty five years.

So that's where for these next two weeks you have to get to travel to.

Technically, i'll call it a neutral syche game, so hopefully that means Minnesota shows up a little bit more.

But for the next two weeks, it's going to be our po offenses, because that's what Wisconsin is with their new freshman quarterback Carter Smith.

It's first one to twenty wins these next two weeks.

I mean, that's gonna be it.

I think Northwestern is a five and a half point favorite.

Yes, you sit here.

Monday morning, which I think is a little surprising.

But I also know that Minnesota sucks on the road.

So we've thought every road spread is surprising and I think they've not covered on all three correct.

So what do I know?

But yeah, that's also the story which is not being surprised.

That's the story with this team is what team shows up, right, I don't know, but I get why the spread is what it is.

I just this is a game where you have to play physical, but they're not gonna have better at that.

You're not gonna get better athlete.

I mean, you're gonna have the better athletes between the two schools.

The question is can you get your athletes to be looking like athletes and not having them play slow like they did on Friday night?

Yeah, these two are I mean, you gotta win these next two, Like, you just have to win these next two, get to eight and four, and then people can decide what kind of eight and four it is, right, Like, you gotta you gotta win a road game Wisconsin.

Yeah, I know Indiana blew their doors off, but you know they had a victory the other day.

I know we've talked about them at nauseum, Like you just got to find a way to get these two victories and be eight and four in a year where you probably weren't a great team, right, I mean we know this, like not all eight and fours are built different.

It would to me, it would be fascinating if Iowa also finishes eight and four, which is very possible.

Right.

They're six and four.

Right now, and that's to me the funny part of their season.

It's like, and we're taping this a day earlier, so I don't think we're gonna hear from the fourth member of the pod.

I didn't give him a heads up last night, so I'm sure.

I'm sure he has some thoughts on how they kind of one slip at USC right, they have the lead at halftime and end up losing.

Like Iowa's best win is probably Penn State without their quarterback and coach.

Right at home Minnesota.

Yeah, I was zero and four against right teams.

Right, Yeah, and they've had some heartbreakers, but it's kind of like what we talked about last week.

I think we talked about it on the podcast.

It's like they finally have their quarterback.

They finally you have a really good offense.

Their defense is what it usually is.

Their special teams hasn't been as good.

We talked about that, but like it's just not all eight and four.

Like, I'm just curious how they they're gonna feel about their eight and four because it seems like a big what if, you know, with the quarterback that they had.

Yeah, kind of like last year with the Gophers, like their seven and five probably should have been more right.

And it's just it's gonna be interesting to see how that whole season plays out, because that was a tough loss for Like, if they win that game, they go nine to three, Like, I think you feel really good about that, really really good about that.

And they were up.

I saw Faris's interview at halftime.

Were they up ten or seven?

Half?

Fourteen?

Okay?

Yeah, so, man, no is the condition.

I didn't get to see the second half, but yeah.

Why does the rain I've been to La fifty times.

Every number one was rained in La.

Ever and Iowa comes to town.

It's like, yeah, let's let's muddy this up for the team from the Middlewest, like it always, it's crazy.

But they just didn't play very well in the second half.

No, yeah, I mean they it's you give them a fourteen point halftime lead.

You think they're going to get that one to the finish line, right, they normally do.

But yeah, so it's but to the to the Gophers, You're right, I want to see if they can play well on the road.

I mean, we can debate whether Northwestern or Cow's the better team.

This is not it's not like you're going to you know, Cannick.

It's not like you're going to Ohio State or Oregon.

Or you're not going five hours across time zone.

You're going an hour away.

Go there and play well, right, go there and play well the fundamentally tackle well.

You know you have as birds, you said you probably have better athletes.

Go win a game on the road.

That's where I've even heard for this game.

It's it's an eleven am game.

I think on BTN.

I've heard that Minnesota may have vetoed a night game that was proposed to them, which can you blame the road if.

You hack into their email to do that?

Talk to some people over there where it sounds like that might have been the case.

And now you also get to see who got the night game.

It's Brett Bielama's return to Camp Randall for that game.

So when we all get done at Wrigley Field, then we're at x y Z Bar in Wrigleyville, you get to turn on Brett Bielama's return against the Wisconsin Badgers for that one.

So let's see if they can show up.

I mean, I like that it's an eleven AM game.

Maybe that's the hopeful optimist in me.

You know that I as the spare member of the parent of Spare.

That's what I try to provide, is the optimism, the positivity here.

Maybe it's because it'll be their first eleven AM road game, but they got to show up.

Man, You just yeah, it's you're not gonna get out, Jimmied and Joe.

It's gonna be about x'es and o's.

So let's see if they can actually put it together for sixty minutes complimentary football in Wrigley Field.

All right, you can't make this up.

But the fourth member of the podcast just texted.

Me unbelievable on cue he's thinking about us.

Well, and it's early technically, but it's also it's late in the pot.

He didn't know this.

This is what he said.

I procrastinated on this one for a while.

Such a bummer.

Fourth Down with the fourth Member is what he calls it.

So now he's writing the segments that.

His own segments.

We got the burn Zine Question of the week, and now we've got fourth Down with the fourth member and we do have like two minutes.

So this is like the two minute drill, New week' same result.

I was a good team, not a great team.

They beat the teams they should, can't break through against truly good teams.

Oh for two twelve in the last twelve games against ranked teams.

Yikes.

Maybe the luck ledger is evening out.

None of the bounces seemed to be going Iowa's weigh this year.

Yeah, well about time.

That's what I'll my god.

For the last ten years, the USC interception deflected off of defender's hands into the arms of a linebacker.

That stuff usually goes to hotkeys way yep.

Can't think of one instance where Iowa has gotten a timely turnover.

Four losses by a total of fifteen points.

I've heard some complaints about the officiating and Saturday's game.

We didn't even talk about that on this pod.

We don't need to.

From Friday's game, there were some funny stuff.

There were there some miscalls.

Yes, was it so egregious as to cause a loss?

Nope?

I do think to play calling got a bit conservative in the second half.

They came out of the gate throwing the ball more than expected, definitely going against their tendency.

Wonder if there was a decision to try to grind the clock and escape with a win once they got up by two scores.

It wouldn't be the first time that Ferens used that strategy, but I think it's the wrong idea against an offense like USC Once they get rolling.

There's no one thing you can point to this season and say that's why they're six and four.

They had to pieces for a possible great season, a fantastic offensive line, their usual stingy defensive, proven winner at QB.

But at some point, you are what your record says you are.

I certainly expect them to win out and finish the regular season eight and four, but twenty twenty five will probably go down as a season of near misses and what ifs, kind of what we just talked about.

Yeah, and that's why there's field.

If you have four losses by fifteen points versus the Gophers four losses by it just feels different, right, You feel different about your team, like you feel one closer.

Yeah, that was fourth down with the fourth member brought to you by All State.

Thank you, Thank you.

Anything else we want to talk about before burns, You've got to go to the PJ.

Fleck Press conference, where he'll give you no update on injuries, which will bother you, and you'll talk about turnovers and well that's on Wednesday.

When you talk.

Offensive line, you'll talk about offensive line.

Oh yeah, your what are the bullets in your chamber?

Here?

For the head coach.

We only got a couple of weeks left, especially with the carousel about starts.

It's all so crazy to me.

National signing days like sixteen days away, which I can't imagine for the amount of jobs that are open or that will be open because head coaches leave in fourteen to seventeen days.

Boy, it's gonna be We're gonna have a lot of fun that first podcast after the Wisconsin game, hopefully number one talking about an Act victory, but two also talking about where does James Franklin go, because we got that news over the weekend that Virginia Tech is hopefully closing in on James Franklin.

But that was supposed to potentially be done by the time we were recording this.

Now we'll see by the time people are listening to this if that happens.

Go ahead.

Jim I was just reading Pat Forty's calm waiting to come on here, and he said that he thinks James Franklin might be slow playing it for someone else.

I think that was very intentional that that got out that James Franklin's in discussions with Virginia Tech.

That's my opinion.

His theory was maid.

Yeah, his his theory was Florida State maybe.

Okay, yeah, I mean there's a lot.

That's the thing with the carousel to come is so many of these jobs, like Virginia Tech is not a top A job right now that's open, and so if you want to get a top eight candidate, like I think James Franklin would be, you're gonna have to wait for the LSUS and the Penn States and the Florida's or they say the Florida States, the ones that have yet to open to make their decisions, because the Canada pool that you're selecting from is also the one that the teams that are better than you and have better infrastructure selecting from.

Do you think we're not going to see those dominoes start to fall until that Sunday after Thanksgiving?

There?

Well, do you think lank Kiffin's is the first domino that has to fall for LSU or Florida And then everything else trickles in after.

That without question.

And that's where did you see that?

During the ole Miss Florida game.

I think there were some t shirts that just said like, we're here to watch our future coach.

That's great, but again, you actually take a picture with the couple that got engage in the game.

That's as good as on the field.

That's it.

I love that guy.

Man, what a rebirth too.

You know, he's giving me hope.

I might start hot yoga.

I might start hot yoga.

Because their hot yoga wasn't about the one every every everywhere he goes, he's taking pictures that with his hot yoga class.

I mean, yeah, he's living his best.

He's become his best self in his fifties.

So there's hope for all of us.

There's hope for me, especially.

Well I am.

The timing is is fascinating because ole Miss could make a run here and if they do, you know, are the probably the two teams everybody talks about O shu Florida.

Are they willing to wait?

Now?

You could probably have a private deal, you know, a wink wink deal.

But it's it's almost like a staring mask, like do you wait for if you think or does he just say, you know what, I got it pretty good here.

I don't think I don't.

You don't mess with Happy.

Write this down, Burnsey.

You don't mess with Happy, right, just don't mess with Happy.

And he got it rolling there.

They've obviously invested in him.

They've invested in the team.

You know, it's not as easy as you'd think to find a new hot yoga studio, you know, So I I think it's uh.

I've always just thought he's gonna stay there.

I think he likes playing the game and being out there and talking about Jimmy being mad that he doesn't he doesn't, you know, capitalize on every dollar.

Like, just stay there, man, just like Dan lanning to do.

Is beat Mississippi State and they're in the playoffs.

Yeah, yeah, just you're good.

Don't mess with Happy.

Your daughter goes to school there, like your whole family's down there now again, like the families come back together somehow even though they're not together.

Like what are we doing?

Like?

What what are we doing?

Like?

Anyway?

Any final thoughts?

Great, thank you to Eugene.

A final time.

It seems like Burnsy everybody that went there had an awesome time, which is the point we had people I had friends of mine tell me like, how nice the Oregon fans were.

Why wouldn't they be they knew what was going to happen, right, I'm guessing they're not that nice to Washington fans they come at the end of the game.

But uh, it was awesome.

And I hope everybody that made the trip and stayed out there for a couple of days or extra days after or whatever had a great time.

And it was really cool to meet everybody again and see everybody again just having a good time on the road because that at the end of the day, I'm getting very philosophical at the end of the podcast today with Lane Kiffin.

That's what it's all about, the moments and the memories and the times and the trips.

And I hope everybody had a great time.

Any you want to add, I.

Don't know that I can top that dadd story.

Now I can just go to sleep dreaming of just becoming the man that you are.

Philosophically what what philosophically I was?

I should have had the lyrics to take me home, country roads, Yeah, just to walk off people country roads, take me home to the place I belong, West Virginia Mountain Mama, take me home country roads.

I'm getting emotional.

We need to end this podcast.

Have I ever told this story to walk us off?

Is at my wedding, a shirtless burns he here, got everybody in like a circle and that song played and I just bellowed out.

I love that song, man, I love that thing.

We need a video of that.

Is there a video?

Oh, I'm sure it exists, but nobody will to see my sweaty sandy trees breathing in the key Largo air at ten thirty pm where I'm just sweating rum.

He Largo air.

Mike, Yeah, that was a choice for you, giving your your propensity.

With a bandage on his forehead, where he hit the canoe the night.

With his broken nose, with gauze up his nostrils.

All my memories gather around her Miner's Lady Stranger to blue water, dark and dusty painted on the sky, misty taste of moonshine, tear drop in my eye.

We'll see you in Wrigglelyville.

Everybody burnsy.

You're gonna have to represent the pair in a spare pod in Wriggleyville.

I'm going to bed.

No, just stand there.

You don't.

You can have a water after you have your millort.

But we're gonna get some mallort in you that botanical I pa baby, believe, believe.

Hang on, I'm just gonna grind up some pencil shavings and snort that before this is done.

All right, Thanks everybody for listening.

Again, Thanks everybody that came up with the soda social and at the stadium as well.

Goldie was harassing me during the entire Fox nine pregame show.

I got a lot of texts about that.

He was trying to distract me just moments before kickoff, so I got a lot of videos from the crowd as well as people that were watching on TV.

H Me being a pro shouldn't surprise anybody that I was totally locked in.

But thanks everybody.

Was a great trip.

I hope everybody enjoyed it, and we'll see you in Wrigleyville.

Thanks as allways to Jack's Cafe and we will talk to you next week on the parentis Bear Podcast.