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Jackson Warne

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Speaker 1

Jackson Warn carries a name that resonates deeply with Australian sports fans.

The son of cricket's greatest leg spin bowling, the Jackson's story goes beyond the legacy he was born into.

It's a journey of identity, pressure, self discovery and forging his own path while honoring the memory of his late father.

Shane Jackson Warn is unfiltered.

Is it true that you used to get a text message every morning from your old man?

Speaker 2

Every single morning, I'd get a message saying, hey jack It doesn't matter if he was in England, Australia, South Africa, India.

It was always good morning JACKO.

I hope you had a good sleep mate, Love you lots and I'm so proud of you.

Every single morning he would always message me that, and I would try and also telling the exact same, hope you're okay, facetimed.

But one thing I would love to do now is just have a conversation as this Jackson with him now, just because I've grown so much the last three years, I just think i'd be a lot more understanding of his travel commitments and their sacrifices he made when he was a lot younger, because I probably missed out on a lot of time spending with him because he was playing professional cricket and working.

Speaker 3

But yeah, I'm just a lot more understanding of it.

Now.

Speaker 1

What would you want to say too, Dad, I would.

Speaker 2

Just say, look, Dad, I get it everything just as simple as I get it.

I understand why he works so hard.

I understand what it was like having to provide for Mebrook and Summer.

Speaker 3

I understand what we would have gone through in.

Speaker 2

The media, everything, And I would have just liked to have given him a hug and saying like I've got your back, which I did all the time, and he knew that.

But it's just as this version, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1

I think maybe twenty or thirty times the worn cyclone came into my life.

Yeah, sometimes over two minutes, sometimes like enough to have a few hours.

Every single time you left your father presence, you felt better, and he made you feel like you were the only person that was important to him at that time.

Was he able to make you feel like that every time?

Speaker 3

One hundred percent.

Speaker 2

He was so engaging and so genuine and so honest, and he always tried to make any situation funny.

I have so many stories of where I'd be with him out in public or in private, and it.

Speaker 3

Doesn't matter who you were or where you are.

Speaker 2

It's just fun and it's exciting, even things just like driving to the petrol station or getting mackers, like, it doesn't matter what it is.

Everything was fun.

If it was on the cricket pitch, in the commentary box, on the golf course, in person, at dinner and a function room.

He was always himself, and I think that's why so many people liked him, because he was so relatable.

He could talk to the person in the smoke as a crown at two am, he could talk to the Prime Minister.

He could talk to anybody about anything, and that person would always end up leaving with a smile, which I think is one of the coolest abilities people can have in the world.

And they call it charisma, and you either have it or you don't.

But I got to see firsthand Dad sort of leave this trail of glow of people that when he got into contact with, which I find is it's just so special.

Speaker 1

It reminds me of a quote and it's so apt for your father.

But you don't remember what people said, but you remember how they made you feel.

Speaker 3

Yeah, he made people feel good.

He made people feel very good.

Speaker 2

And I think that was sort of a job that he took on because he understood how hard life can be, so he wanted to make people as happy and as positive as many times a day as he could.

And yeah, that's probably one thing I missed the most.

It is just the amount of people that I know never got to meet him, or the people that did get to meet him, they'll never get to see him again because he just always made people smile.

Speaker 1

I love calling the football now and looking up and seeing the Shane WANs down.

Yes, the Shane warn wing.

It's become a thing and it must be few you a little special.

Speaker 3

It's super special.

Speaker 2

And firstly, thank you to everybody that says it, especially yourself.

I always see saying and on the Shane wan stand side, so it's just nice to hear.

And I think for me, the MCG has always been like a second home.

Speaker 1

You know.

Speaker 2

Dad has so many iconic moments, his hat trick, calming down the crowd, seven hundredth wicket.

Speaker 3

Statue and now the Shanewan stand.

Speaker 2

Do you know how cool that is that I in the place that I've was born and grew up that I can go somewhere that's thirty minutes from my house and it's just one of the biggest stadiums in the world and I can sort of call it Dad's office, like I'm so proud of that.

And I think there's a lot of Australians as well and people around the world that also like that there is something to remember Dad there inside the ground, because so many people send me selfies or send me to screenshots of ticket saying, Hey, just want to let you know I'm sitting in your Dad's stand, Like that's so nice for me to hear.

And I think, Dad, there's no way he wouldn't know that the stands there, like there's he's up there somewhere going you can make it.

Speaker 3

A bit bigger.

Speaker 2

Why can't be on the other side as well?

Or it should be red one black for the Saints.

But I just think it's one of the coolest honors for Dad, and the fact that it's going to hopefully be there forever is amazing.

Speaker 1

What do you miss most?

Speaker 3

He sort of lived on different rules than us.

Speaker 1

There weren't a lot of rules.

Speaker 3

There weren't a lot of rules but one of the rules was the speed limit.

Speaker 2

And you've played at Cathedral Lodge, so you've driven through the Black Spur.

So the Black Spur is a road which is you probably should only go maybe thirty forty k's on it because there is so many hairpin turns and you can't see around the corners.

But I reckon mean.

Dad woke up one morning when he was going to play down there at probably three point thirty four am, so there'd be no one on the road, and as soon as we got to that Black Spur, that Black Spur drive.

Speaker 3

Was one of the best ever.

Because he liked to think he was a professional driver.

Speaker 2

He went on top gear, he did all the police course driving courses.

My grandpa, his dad, par Keith, used to drive a Porsche and so.

Speaker 3

It's almost like in our DNA.

But Dad was just a very good driver.

Speaker 2

And it's just those things that I missed the most because it could be a simple thing like driving, which is quite automatic for us.

But he took it so seriously and took it so competitive and made it so fun that.

Speaker 3

Everything he did was enjoyable.

Speaker 2

Getting macs together and seeing him throw out the meat patty and put his chips in the cheeseburger, or him abusing some sakh Ulder players for missing goals.

Speaker 3

I just I can't pick one thing.

Speaker 2

The whole Dad package, no matter what we were doing, was just full of laughter, full of love, and full of fun.

Speaker 1

Where were you, Jackson when you found out about Dad?

Speaker 2

I was at my mum's house with my girlfriend and my sister and I sort of got this phone call and it was from Angineerfutu, who was with Dad at the time overseas.

Speaker 3

And he's like sort of panting.

Speaker 2

And I also thought when I saw his name pop up, I've gone, that's a bit weird.

I know he's with Dad.

Why would he be calling me and not Dad calling me?

So I answer and he's sort of panting.

He's gone, Look, jack I just want to let you know your dad's had a massive heart attack and we're doing everything you can.

We'll be in touch sort of soon.

And it was a bit more sincere than that, but that was pretty much what it was.

And I still just remember saying like okay, like thanks, hung up, and I sort of look at Mum and Brooke and my girlfriend.

Speaker 3

I've gone a heart attack.

Speaker 2

You're telling me Dad's just had a heart attack.

I've seen Dad go through motorbike accidents, car accidents, media stuff, life stuff, Like he's gone through so much adversity his entire life since.

Speaker 3

He was twenty years old.

I literally look at Dad as Superman.

Speaker 2

I've seen him go through so much shit his whole life that a heart attack is not what's going to get him.

And then sort of an hour later, when I get the phone call from James Ersk and Dad's other manager as well, He's like, I look jack On, unfortunately, just wanted to let you know your dad's pass away with a heart attack.

It is with deep shock and very raw sadness that we report tonight the.

Speaker 3

Death of Shane Warn.

Even saying that just seems unbelievable.

Speaker 2

My first sort of emotion was just really angry, And I was just really angry because if he's passed away with a heart attack, that means it could be something to do with smoking, It could be something to do with diet, it could be something to do with.

Speaker 3

All these different things.

Speaker 2

But I was just really angry that that's how Dad went out, and especially over there because I was just really angry.

But then all of the updates were getting literally minute by minute, and like I got that phone call I think.

Speaker 3

It ten and pm at night.

Speaker 2

As soon as I hang up that phone, I was getting messages from people saying, please don't tell me this is true, Jacko.

Speaker 3

Please don't tell me this is true, Jacko.

And so I sort.

Speaker 2

Of found out at the same time the rest of the world did, and for it all to be public as well was sad, but also nice in a way because it made us realize we're not alone.

It's weird the things that you remember when certain emotional things happen, Like I can still remember the exact people that messaged me at what time it was and what they said, what photos were getting shared.

I remember going to Dad's statue it might have been three or four days after, and there was just flowers.

Speaker 3

Vbs, veggimikes, packs of smokes.

There was just everything.

Speaker 2

Then I just remember, like, that is so cool that so many people in Melbourne wanted to come and honor Dad in that way and they didn't know what to do, so they all just migrated to Dad's statue.

Like there wasn't anything that the family or that the media said that we want to go to Dad's statue.

It was just something that was in our instinct.

It's crazy how quickly life can just literally a one phone call change for river.

Speaker 3

Do you know how cool it is to say that Shane Warn is my dad?

What?

How is that lawn bowls and not cricket?

So I actually took five, I think off seven or eight balls.

Speaker 2

It just makes me realize, the older I'm getting, the impact dad had on people.

I get to sort of share this grieving process with the rest of the world.

Speaker 3

With the famous dad and the famous son.

Now he's running out with a framantle.

Docs had a net field?

Speaker 2

Yeah sounds good.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that was the banner.

Speaker 3

How was the banner out?

Speaker 1

There?

Speaker 3

Was a bit tough, was it?

Speaker 2

It was?

Speaker 3

It was harder than the under.

Speaker 1

Twelve Jackson Warn and Shane Warn.

Is it a tricky name to carry when you're growing up, carrying an icon name or was it a pressure you didn't feel or have to deal with.

Speaker 2

I think when I was really young it was something I never paid attention to.

Speaker 3

Probably up until I was ten eleven, twelve years old.

Speaker 2

I obviously knew it was something just because when we were traveling, even in places where they don't play cricket, like America, people were coming up to Dad, or the people were getting to meet or seeing Dad talk on panels or on TV.

I knew he was a bit different from everybody else, but it was probably only when I was a teenager and sort of twenty or nineteen twenty years old that you're like, oh, I'm sick of only being known as Shane Wan's son.

Speaker 3

I'll ob jackson.

You know, I want my own identity.

Speaker 2

But then as I got older and just before Dad passed, and especially now, do you know how cool it is to say that Shane Wan is my dad?

And Dad definitely knew that, but just on a deeper level for me, I wish I was never embarrassed or ashamed to be who I was or have that last name because of the pressure it brings.

And I think it was more than negative self talk on me because I know I never played cricket.

One thing Dad wouldn't have wanted me to do is he never lived in the past.

He would not have wanted me thinking with that mindset.

He's like, mate, you've done everything, like you're okay.

And I can feel Dad saying, with what I'm doing now and with the shame on legacy, and just me being me.

He would be like, JACKO, you're doing fine, mate, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1

He loved watching you do anything.

Was he there when you took five for seven?

Speaker 3

He was there when I took five for seven.

Speaker 2

That was at Brighton Grammer at the Mitchell Oval in twenty fifteen.

It was like my second or third game ever playing cricket.

And Dad was actually in the jungle when I took up lawn bowls in that same year, and someone had told him when he was on the jungle that, oh, just want to let you know, Shane, your son, Jackson's finally taken up bowling.

He's got oh finally he's playing cricket.

But why am I not there to see it?

And like, I just want to let you know.

It was lawn bowls and Dad's gone, what how that lawn bowls.

Speaker 3

Are not cricket, you know?

Speaker 2

And then anyway, a few months later I got to play cricket and Dad's like, do you mind if I come and watch?

Speaker 3

I said, of course.

So I went out there and I told people I was bowling leag spin.

Speaker 2

And when I was going out there, obviously bowling leakspin is very hard to do.

Dad expressed me a lot of times that bowling good leg spin is one of the hardest things to do in cricket.

So as I'm going up there to try and bowl leg spin, in my heart and deep down, I was bowling a thing called moon balls, which is the slowest possible ball in the world, where the batsman, who they knew who I was and would just see this floating ball in the air, would try and hit it so hard for six that that'd either miss.

Speaker 3

And get stumped or they'd hit it straight up and get caught.

Speaker 2

So I actually took five, I think off seven or eight balls and took a hat trick in the middle of that, and that sort of went viral and that was everywhere when Dad was like, oh my god, you know I've only took one hat trick as well, and I said, yeah, I've got one at fifteen, but yeah, I'd never sort of took up cricket after that.

Speaker 1

Did you two have a nice moment in the nets during COVID.

Speaker 2

Yes, So during COVID it was when we were first going into the lockdowns and I said to Dad, I said, okay, honestly, how hard is it to bowl leg spin?

Am I too old to start taking leag spins.

Seriously, He's like, okay, let's go to the nets and see how you go.

And so we went to the nets down at Williams Street in Brighton, and all of a sudden he's shown me his technique and his fingers and for me, I.

Speaker 3

Was like, I've seen this all.

I've watched Aly master classes, but let's go.

Speaker 2

So with his big sausage fingers and his big fat hands, he's got this cricket ball and he's doing all of the turns of the league spin.

This is the wrong un he says, you know this and that the flipper And I'm watching this and I'm so fascinated.

But all of a sudden, a crowd sort of started coming together around the nets because they're sort of going, is that Shane Warn no warm up?

Speaker 3

Know anything?

Speaker 2

Literally four or five meters the ball was spinning.

People said he was able to spin it on glass, which I would believe.

Speaker 3

But he was literally spinning this ball so much.

And one thing that I loved was.

Speaker 2

The fizz through the air, which was through the air because of how fast the ball spinning.

The revs and the crowd which is getting bigger and bigger.

There might have been fifty sixty people at this point, all walking their dogs and stopping to just watch.

Speaker 3

You know.

Speaker 2

I reconize there for maybe five or six hours just bowling with him, and we did that for about two or three weeks after.

So the first session my shoulder was absolutely cooked and he's like.

Speaker 3

Mate, you've got to get used to it.

Speaker 2

And to me, to share those two weeks with them during COVID and him telling me about his craft and why he was the best in the world at it was so special.

And it was also so unique because I got to see him speak about the thing that he is most passionate in the world, which was leg spin.

Speaker 1

To me, what was the best day you ever had with him on a golf course?

Speaker 2

Best day, I'd have to be at the President's Cup when it was here in Melbourne and we're following Tiger Woods on the last day and Tiger Woods is playing well.

There's three or four holes to go, and I think it was the fifteenth or sixteenth hole when you sort of come around the bend and it's a massive sort of fairway, but there's crowds all other side and they sort of see Tiger and they go ah, Tiger clapping clapping, crowds going loud, but then they see Dad and it just erupts like five times loud.

Everyone's yelling, some people start throwing beers onto the course, and Tiger sort of everybody knows.

He never sort of turns around and looks at his opponents, but he sort of looked around at Shane and sort of smirked and kept walking forward.

Speaker 3

And at the end of that hole he.

Speaker 2

Came up to Danny's like, look, Shane, I just wanted to let you know, I've played all these amazing golf courses around the world, I've played with all these amazing people, but the reception you get here in your hometown.

Speaker 3

Is nothing like I've ever seen before.

Speaker 2

And to hear that from like the greatest of all time golfer, an American, like that is just so cool to hear.

Speaker 3

And Dad turned around to me, He's how cool is at jacko as to sort of like played off like.

Speaker 1

It wasn't much at his service, And then again at the MCG the people that were there and or sending in messages gave you a feel for the reach that he had and the love that people had for him.

You must have had some incredible times with Dad and some of the best performers.

Speaker 2

In the world yep At Sheeran, Chris Martin from Coldplay, and now.

Sometimes get a bit funny sort of talking about the celebrities and the famous or successful people we meet because I don't want to look like a show off or anything like that.

But to Dad, they were his mates, and the way Dad made them feel with us like they were also our mates.

It just makes me realize, the older I'm getting, the impact Dad had on people, because it's sort of infinite.

Obviously it's very sad what's happened, but I get to sort of share this grieving process with the rest of the world.

Speaker 3

I'm sure it was very public and negative and.

Speaker 2

All that sort of stuff, but there's a lot of peace and closure that brings to me when I get to go and meet people and they tell me their shame worn story, like even you, for example, this morning, you're telling me your interactions with Dad.

Speaker 3

Like for me, that makes me smile and that makes me happy.

It doesn't make me sad all right.

Whoever can spot the first photographer who gets an I Gram.

Speaker 2

For all the best advice he's ever given me?

It's just manners are free helping people.

That's literally what the shame or legacy is doing.

We just don't want as many families to get the same phone call we got.

Speaker 3

I smoked, I dranked, and I bought a little bit of leg spin.

Speaker 2

You know, there's been lots of honors over the last eight eight months, people have sang songs and Doe minute of silences.

But now to know that Dad's legacy since his passing is to save lives, I don't think he could be more prouder and more happy.

Speaker 1

Because of the fascination with your old man, the paparazzi were everywhere.

You guys used to play a game.

Speaker 2

You've done your research, cham ish, but yes, we used to play a game, and it would mostly be when we're in countries like Spain or America, because he would understand it in Australia and England that the paparazzi or the media would follow him or photographers would follow him.

But it was in those two countries where we would play the most games, and it was all right, whoever can spot the first photographer gets an ice cream or buy some lego or whatever.

And there'd literally be times when I was five or six years old in Spain looking through a bush off the corner of a boat.

There'd be a photograp and I'd be like, Dad, there's someone there.

Speaker 3

He'd look and go thanks JACKO.

Speaker 2

And then he'd also he'd know how to adjust his body or where to walk off to, where to go next.

But I used to think that was kind of normal.

And so even now when I'm out with my girlfriend or my friends, I'm always still very paranoid looking over my shoulder, even though no one's following me.

I'm still looking over my shoulder, just from when we were really young.

But I think Dad to sort of grow up in the spotlight his whole life ever since he was twenty twenty one years old, and still come out the other end stronger.

I find so impressive.

Speaker 1

What's the best advice he ever gave you?

Speaker 2

Well, the best advice he's ever given me.

It might sound obvious, but it's just manners are free and you can sort of never say thank you enough, never say please enough.

And it was actually the very first certificate I ever got at my school was for having the best manners in the class.

Speaker 3

And I think I was in prep, so.

Speaker 2

It would have been maybe five or six years old, but like that for me has just stuck with me forever.

And all of those things I've learned from Dad have also stuck with me.

Be on time, be respectful, always, be honest, man as a free be generous, help people, be kind.

I just think that shows to all of the lessons he's taught me.

Shows that when people are telling me there's Shane Wan story, that's exactly who Dad was.

Speaker 1

To leave a legacy through the legacy, Yeah, tell us what you're doing there and some of the stories that have come from it.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 2

So the Shanewan Legacy is something that and I can't take credit for, but it's an idea that Helen Nolan and Andrew.

Speaker 3

Neafutu came up with.

Speaker 2

Helen Nolan was Dad's PA for fifteen twenty years, and Andrew Nafudu was one of Dad's managers.

And it's lucky that the Shanewan Legacy team now is the team that Dad had for twenty twenty five years.

So we know there's no sort of agendas and it's all of Dad's best interest And if we ever get stuck on a decision or something to think about, we always just go back to, Okay, well what would Dad want?

And when we think about it like that, it becomes very easy, It becomes very simple.

We understand the direction we need to go through and what Dad did with the Shane Wan Foundation and pretty much his whole life, and like I've said before, in literally this interview, was helping people.

That's literally what the Shame of Legacy is doing.

It's changing lives.

It's bringing awareness to heart health and heart awareness.

And me Brook and Summer's job is we just don't want and it will be impossible, but we just don't want as many families to get the same phone call we got.

Speaker 1

And the message from the Legacy is get checked, whatever that is, heart, skin, just be healthier, be aware.

Speaker 2

We used to sort of say the saying owning your numbers, and it's just being aware of sort of your weight and what you're eating and you're smoking.

And I also don't want to sound like I'm being a bit like a do this or do that, because Dad was somebody that lives such an amazing life and he probably lived a hundred lives in his lifetime, but he still found a really good balance of fun and of family time and everybody knows he smoked, he.

Speaker 3

Drank, he'd liked loud music.

Speaker 2

That's actually what's on sort of in his resting places, the epitap.

Speaker 3

It's I smoked, I drank, and I bought a little bit of leg spin like.

Speaker 2

He said that numerous times, and that's literally on his little headstone.

And I think that also just shows what Dad is.

He just lived a perfect life of perfect balance.

And yeah, if I could just either suggest to people that are thinking about getting checked or what the shame with legacy is, it's just if you see it, just be more conscious of your family and you know, maybe think of them when you're next making a decision.

Speaker 1

This is what I know.

People loved your old man and he made them feel great.

Yeah, And whenever I was with him, he spoke about you and your sisters because he loved you.

Yeah, and he'd be unbelievably proud of you.

Speaker 2

Awesome, thank you, Hamish.

No, honestly, this has been an unbelievable chat.

And we've actually still got all of his memorabilia and this will be the first bit that is a bit crickety that I'll be able to put next to it and go, that's mine.

Speaker 3

That's yours, that's mine.

Thank you, Hamish

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