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Heidihorned, bloody hell.

Look out here she is swooning straighta and I got in trouble the other day for using the words wounding wrong.

Sorry Ben, Sorry, I've done it again.

I've swooned in Welcome to the show, Heidi Horn.

Thanks for having me.

Very excited to be here.

Oh look just more.

Sort of just another legend that I got to meet when I was in Brisy at the next stage event.

I made so many friends there.

What a great room with people.

My listeners will be like, yeah, we fucking know you haven't stopped banging on about it.

Well, it's not my fault.

They are all legends.

That's why I'm bringing them in here to meet you.

But you were You were the wild card speaker.

So everyone in this event that I recently spoke at was at the end of a program.

Seven of us from the program that I was in got selected from external panel to be speakers at the end of program event, and one wild card was selected from outside of the program.

And I feel like that is a scarier place because we all knew each other, and then you come in and I know it's swaning and swooning in I didn't know anyone.

What was it like for you?

I don't know.

I didn't really feel out of place, to be honest, I feel like I because I've sort of been in that world.

I spoken to Jack for a few years, so it wasn't ma repulate at a place.

But it was quite funny because someone said, who are you bringing to it?

And I'm like, well, no one, but I'll no heaps of people there, do you know what I mean?

And even if I won't know them that I have met them, I'll know them from LinkedIn or online or socials or in some way.

And yeah, so it's I feel like I, in a way knew a lot of people, even though I hadn't met all you guys face to face before.

How I felt when I went to T Boss with It for Jack's event in June, I was like, Oh, my goodness, I feel like I am in a high school reunion or something.

And I know that I probably only know seven or eight people, and all of those I haven't met face to face before.

But I felt like I was in a room with my old friends.

And so yeah, I shouldn't be surprised that you felt that way.

Pretty cool style.

They're people that get it, you know, and that's I think in the speaker world.

It is really nice to be part of that community because you can bang on about what you do to your your friends or your neighbors, but they have no idea really, you know, I mean.

What do you mean You just talk to people.

That's not a job.

So yeah, so yeah, so no, it is good to be around peers that celebrate you, but you celebrate them.

And you know, it was super supported Jay and yeah an environment, Yeah, yeah, it was good.

When you are hanging out with your mates, non speaker mates, and they say, what do you actually do Heidi?

What does Heidi Horn do?

Well?

I kind of think they also just say, when you I have had the when are you going to get a real job?

Do you know what I mean?

But I think I've had that most of my life in a way.

Well, I've spent a lot of time this year being an author and you know, writing the book and being in that world, which has been a totally new world for me.

But once again, unless you're an author, unless you're sort of in that world or even a content creative, people don't really understand.

I think.

Also, I introduced myself to the startup world this year creating an app, and I was part of the Startmates program which went for eight weeks Launch Club, which was me as a fifty year old woman hanging out with a bunch of cool kids.

Your old call is that experience?

But I just love it because it's just, you know, you get out of your comfort zone, you hang out with completely new people, and you know it's never too late to push yourself and try something new, and you keep going.

Sorry I've deviated from the question.

Yeah, so pretty much I would call myself I don't want a speaker, a coach and yeah, just loving teaching people how to let go of stress and have tools that they can stress less.

When did you start working for yourself and what was your background before that?

So super quick summary.

I after high school.

I did tourism school tourism diploma three years back in little Old Adelaide, where I grew up.

I always had the travel bug, so I first went on a plane by myself at five, my parents put me on a plane to see my grandparents.

Just had that travel bug, so I knew as soon as I finished the tourism diploma, I just wanted to travel.

So at nineteen or twenty, I went to Japan for a year.

And this was before Japan was cool.

It was the place where no Ossie went to.

So did that.

Went to Canada for a year, traveled for another year and a half, came back, was a tour guide for six years, two years in Australia, four years in Europe.

Came back, decided to grow up and get a real job and want a boyfriend and all of that.

So did that.

Come back, landing in Sydney, watching the tourism industry for a little bit longer started studying.

I was really into wellness, so I started studying remedial therapies, massage, yoga, teacher training, meditation.

Then I ended up to do well being coaching, life coaching.

Later on during COVID, I did mental health and counseling.

In early days of marriage, we lived in Samal for two and a half years.

When I was pregnant with my daughter, lived in England, came back and then I pretty much just started my business.

So it sort of grew from teaching people how to meditate and teaching kids yoga, to coaching, to running retreats, and then evolved into writing books and coaching and speaking and keeps evolving.

Who knows where?

Who knows where You'll be in another five years, mate?

But is this your first book?

This is my second book.

So during I self published a book which is called mind Flip, and it was mainly I was really into the sort of kids and teens wellness space and mental health space in those days, so it was mind Flip emotional toolbox for kids and teens.

And I basically just used to photograph my kids and a bunch of kids in the neighborhood, drink COVID and then made them into carting garages.

And that's how I also started my own podcast years ago, was called mind Flip, and I used to interview kids and just chat to little kids that I knew.

Not that's rightandom.

Stopped by the by the old playground.

Hey kiddo, come, come and have a chat.

It was all legit.

But I used to chat to kids and say, tell me what's been happening.

You know, what makes you maybe angry or can you sleep?

Or what goes only your head?

Did you have a fight with your friend?

And here is maybe something you can try that can help fix it.

So to teach kids, you know, how to do breathing and meditation and change their mindset and and all of that.

And yeah, so that's that was that.

Well, Yeah, when was COVID five years ago or something?

So yesterday?

I think yesterday and another whole era ago, weird, a very long time ago.

How old were the kids you were chatting to?

I would say as young as sort of eight too, sort of teens.

So I think at that stage, my son, yeah, he would have been about ten, and my daughter about thirteen, so sort of around the age.

And I think having my kids are still teenagers, now.

I mean, they probably get sick of me telling them, you know, mindset things, but I have taken some of her on board.

I know this.

You know, my fifteen year old meditates, and you know, as we drove them to the bus stop or drop them to band, sometimes I'm like, and there's a test going on or exam or something's happening, I always get him to think, see feel in his head, you know, how he wants his day to be.

And my daughter did hate to see last year, so I taught a few you know, good breathing techniques that she could do just before she sat down in those exams.

So yeah, I think it's even if you can just get them to just do a couple of things that they know work.

And that's really you know what I'm all about.

It's just even if people have never done meditation or never talked about mindset or anything like that, even if they've got a couple of little tricks or tools that they know work for them that they can pull out.

Is what it's all about.

What you learn from conversations with kids.

Oh that kids, you know, in a way, they they have the same stuff that we have going on.

And you know, as if you think about it, a lot of the time, if people haven't learned how to have those emotional tools and deal with those situations, then we do act like kids when we get older, do you know.

I mean we have those little tantrums and roll around on the It's like we're emotionally rolling around on the floor.

So I think kids.

You know, if you talk to adults and you talk to kids, really it's a lot of the same stuff, do you know what I mean.

It's like that person wasn't nice to me.

We we might not say that out loud, but we're like our friend didn't text us back, or we didn't get invited to that party, or why as why are they doing that on social media?

And you know, we're still thinking the same things as we're basically big kids.

So but kids are great, you know, and they're so hilarious and they just they'll give anything a go.

You know.

I still teach kids yoga and occasionally do some resilience things for teenagers as well, and they're all over it, you know, they're they you know, watching little kids Meditator is so cute.

I took a kid's class at Pcyic for a period of time between lockdown, so maybe it was twenty twenty one or thereabouts, and well weave anyone needed to meditate after that, it was I would schedule an hour between that and my next session, because I would afterwards, I would just sit in a I would find a dark, quiet corner and I would just sit and stare at a wall and be like, what just happened?

It was okay, Like I'm a kid, I'm going to deal with that.

You just reminded me, and I'm going to send this to you.

I did a conversation in twenty twenty two with a guy called Rick Stevenson's Stevenson, and he did a thing called the five thousand Day, five thousand Days project, and he interviewed children for five thousand days that he sent me.

I've got a couple of u URLs.

I might put them in the show notes.

Hopefully I will remember everybody.

If I don't just hit me up, I'll put them in the show notes.

They made me cry, these conversations that he had with these young kids, And just like you described, I just we often discount the stories they tell her, the experiences they have as nothing.

And he tells this story about this kid that comes home from school.

He's really upset and he's like, the girl that I'm in love with, she is not going to marry me anymore.

He's like, well, how do you know?

And he's like, well, she said, well, I'm not going to marry you anymore.

I don't like you or something like that, and he was like and he was really distressed in upset, and he was like, oh, that's really sad, and he goes, well, it's okay, there's this other girl, you know, like but he tells the story a lot better than that.

But this idea really made me reflect on we look at their interactions as oh, it's okay, don't be silly, like it's fine, you're not gonna you know, but they're they're real.

They're kids out in the world experiencing real emotions and real relationships, and we talk to them like like they're kids, but they're humans.

They're human beings.

So he was I love that conversation.

Yeah, what we think and do an act and see they're doing exactly the same, do you know what I mean?

So it's it's yeah, and I just and obviously the younger you get, the more innocent it is because you're in a different brainway state, do you know what I mean.

And I just remember, like when my daughter was like maybe three or four, we used to go to a library and then have those story times, you know, and you go there and you meet a bunch of kids, and I just love when kids are so little and so innocent and just we can learn so much.

And one time she met this kid.

They met for half an hour, they did storytime together, I don't know, some craft or whatever afterwards, and then later on we're in this car park underneath the library and they're like, I'll say you next week.

I'll say you next week.

And it's like, I love you, I love you.

And I just think it's just, you know, with kids, it's just like they can just connect so quickly, you know.

And I think Mel Robins was it Mel Robins.

In one of her podcasts, she talks about she talks to somebody and they talk about friendships and connection and that one of your best friend you might not have even met yet.

And usually by the time we get to like twenty or mid twenties, we think that we can't make new best friends.

But I've made the coolest friends this year, absolutely, even in the last six months, and I think being open to having new connections and meeting new people and putting yourself as I said, you know, in new situations, whether it's in a speaking group or an off a group, or a startup group or going to try a new sport or anything like that, you never know who you're going to meet, and you become childlike.

As again, I love that.

Like as you were talking about the kids before, I'm thinking how much we could learn if we stepped into those conversations like inquisitive, like on the same level, and just be perceptive about what they say and how they process because we come from an angle of all of our own programming and biases in this stuff that we've been shut down, and then we shut unconsciously shut stuff down on them.

And it's like, I wonder, instead of coming in with our grown up solutions or dismissing or pandering to their emotions, if we just asked them what was going on and got curious about how they process it and listening.

I'm fascinated by that.

And they the younger you get, obviously, the less biased they've got.

You know, they haven't been taught that you don't play with that person because they look like that or whatever.

You know, that sometimes gets infiltrated into them.

So I think it's it's about being curious and being childlike and you know, full of wonder.

And I think the more that you can keep doing that and learning from kids, the more you're enricher life as you get older.

And it is sometimes we you know, by the time you get to twelve wolves teenage years and you know someone told you you weren't good at something, and you're going, okay, well I can't I can't speak in front of somebody, or I can't do that, or I can't try that sport, and you start shutting down the opportunities you give yourself.

But if you're I don't know, I'm probably the worst person to a round because I'll give you anything a go pretty much, do you know what I mean?

But maybe the best person to speak, not the worst.

I don't know.

I was like, I've gone back to hockey after I have thirty something years, and I played five a side of hockey and then they had a winter team and they said, does anyone play six a side of hockey?

And I'm like, well, how hai can it be?

Do you know, it's only one extra player, it's double the size of the field, you know what I mean.

And I'm with they just put me with the t and I'm with a bunch of thirty year olds who are fine but definitely faster than me.

And they were playing against a bunch of kids the other day.

I'm like, going, how old are you guys?

And they're like, I'm like fourteen to seventeen year old teenage boys, you know.

But it just sort of makes me go, yeah, I'll still give it a go, do you know what I mean?

Like, I don't really care if I'm not the fastest, saw the best.

It's just trying something new.

How do you remain childlike when you've had children and been the parent?

But I find I've got a lot of mates that are older than me, Like I don't have kids, and I've got a lot of mates that are older than me that don't have kids, and I find us all to be quite child I'm like, I'm attracted to people that are just big kids.

And I feel like sometimes over the years, I've caught myself out in my head going, oh, wow, you're doing this, that's really I'm like, yeah, you're a grown up like you should.

Definitely, that's actually not impressive.

It's just what grown ups do.

You're in your forties, I.

Know, but it does still surprise me someone like I own a house, do you know what I mean?

I know, I'm like, I've got people know that, I've got an apartment, I own my own car.

I've even got a parent to cabin, a dog.

Do people get it?

And it's like, yeah, most people do that, but it's just seem like surreal or sometimes.

So how do you hold that when you've got to be the grown up?

And how did you navigate that through all the aspects of parenthood?

I don't ah, I don't know.

I think for me as a parent, I just wanted to make sure I called all the moments and I yeah, I don't like that thing where people say you've only got eighteen years or eighteen summers with your kids, you know, and then that's it.

It's like, well, you've got so many times with your kids.

But also it's about I don't know, it's you can be present and not present, you know, so you can you just see people bring present, but also mentally they're not there, you know, when they're playing with the kids, lego and everything like that.

For me, it was just I just think kids are so cool.

And I don't know, I just always loved hanging out with kids, So having your own kids is just you get to do it all the time.

And I was My son was never a great sleeper, and he would wake up and throw himself out at the cotton at like one and a half and you'd hit this and they'd run into bed and hang out, you know, and then I just want to chat, and I annoying my husband because I would want to just chat at two in the morning as well.

I was like that.

I was like, it's so much fun, do you know what I mean?

But that's probably not the best example.

I don't know.

I think it's just I don't know, I just find the way that they think because when kids are like that zero to two especially, they're mainly in that Theta brain wave state, do you know what I mean, So they're not influenced by all the stuff in the world, and they're so in all things of things everything, and you think they're seeing in a way a rainbow for the first time, you know, And if you see somebody seeing a rainbow for the first time, or see somebody seeing a caterpillar for the first time or whatever it is, and they get so excited.

You're like, as sheet is kind of cool, do you know what I mean?

So it's about seeing the world through their eyes, and for me, it was also about not missing the moments and just going.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does.

I remember looking at someone someone had baby recently, and I was looking at them and looking at them looking around, taking in the world, and it made me think of that idea of that this none of this has any meaning to them yet, and they're just they're soaking in all this information and we don't get to go back, Like I don't get to That was me once.

Now it's not.

And now I've got all of this meaning and stories and these filters that block all of it out and all of the stuff that I miss unless I train myself too to take those filters off and look for things and I don't have to keep you know, it's like I have to wrangle all of that.

It's quite fascinating, isn't it.

I'd love to be that sponge again.

It's about I think that's why people traveled, do you know what I mean?

Because that's seeing things, yeah, but also in your every day what makes you stop with awe?

For me, it's going at the beach and watching a sunrise without a doubt.

I can watch a tree in sunrises and I still get in awe of watching a sunrise or putting my head under the water, you know, first thing in the morning in the ocean.

So it's about what in a way still just excites you.

Because you think, you watch a little kid eat ice cream for the first time, they are beside themselves, you know, and we just go ayes on ice cream.

But can we get really excited about that ice cream?

You know?

I had a pretty good lemon salveet yesterday, so you know, but was I beside myself?

Probably not.

But it's about going what actually liked me up and what can I still get super excited about because you can't.

Yes, you can look for new things.

And maybe that's why I really like meeting new people and putting myself in new situations and trying new things because you getting that.

I think that we do get that little warmness you know when we meet someone new and we connect with that person and we do feel like that little kid again, you know, going I all love for you in the car park because it's You've got that beautiful heart to heart connection.

You have you always remained.

I guess with all the things you've done, have you always been that easy to drop into a new community and connect and make friends or is that something you had to learn?

And I feel like like I'm from Tazzy, So I'm from Tazzy.

I've moved to Melbourne and the amount of times I've had conversations with people that go it's really hard to like people that aren't from a place, that move to a place find other people that aren't from that place because the people that live here have their school friends and you can't get in there in a circle.

And so that it sparks an interesting conversation about our ability and maybe expectations and behaviors around how to create friendship and relationships that sustain.

Is that natural for you?

I feel like I'm half an introvert and half an extrovert.

I love being by myself as well, Like I used to travel a lot by myself for like a year of time.

Like I don't know, I just I'm no qualms about hanging out by myself.

But also I love meeting new people.

So if I dose myself up by hanging out with new people, I also just need to retreat and kind of in a way have just as much time by myself just to balance it all out.

And I think it's not like I don't know, does it come easy.

Not always, And I think sometimes I do have to.

It's just about pushing yourself out of your comfort zone.

And I especially as you get older, I know that's the school month thing is like a whole new world.

When you go into that whole it's it's it's a battlefield sometimes, you know the because it's, yeah, it's everybody's sort of eating to be in the right group again.

But I also think I when I was a school school mum, I didn't go in going I need to be in the best group, I need to make a best friend.

I went in just going let's let's see who's here kind of thing.

So it's it's not it's doing it from a place of feeling okay with yourself that you don't need other people or need to be in those groups.

Is when you actually meet the best people.

I think that makes sense.

So I read I read something the other day that I do a lot of in a work on myself, and you know, as a coach with others, that's what I work on with other people.

But for example, if you they said, if say a woman, if they love themselves twenty percent or twenty five percent, and then somebody comes along and gives them what they see as love or support or friendship as thirty or thirty five percent, that person's going to go to them and need that because they don't happen within themselves.

So if you, as a woman, love yourself fifty percent, say, and someone gives you something that's seventy five percent, you're going to go, oh, I need that person.

But if you and this is probably what you were saying with if you're attracting the same people, if you love yourself and support yourself and back yourself one hundred percent, you're going to attract those other one hundred percent people and you don't need those people.

They don't need you, but you're not.

You're basically lifting each other up because you're the same energy.

Yeah, I'm such an energy person.

I mean, that's straight back to that conversation about being in those rooms.

It's yeah, people people.

As soon as someone has connect with good energy.

I'm like, oh, you're my people.

Yes, And I think with that is that energy in the room.

It was there was no competition.

It wasn't about who's the best or you know, who's good to put a topic or where speech or better outfit whatever it was.

It was just that was all removed and it was let's all lift each other up.

And you know that's everyone was on that hundred percent.

Yeah.

Yeah, they gave so much of themselves and everyone was doing the same but also doing that to each other.

Tell us about this whole reset business that you're kicking the world's ass with, God do we eat?

If we ever need anything, it's that.

It's how we like tell me about meditation, about destressing, like fix this okay in one minute?

Yeah he's got one minute fix my life.

So basically the one minute reset came about because I have I suppose been in the wellness space for a long time and I was, you know, talk.

What I realized in my keynotes is that people don't want a technique that they're going to take them an hour or thirty minutes or anything like that, because everyone's rushed.

Yes, we will want that quick fix, but also I wanted to help as many people as possible, and it's great if people and are coming and retreat with me, I'll happily have a week with you or whatever, or do some coaching.

But not everybody is at that level.

Not everybody has that time.

But everybody is stressed at the end of the day in some way, in some capacity, and everybody will have stress in their life.

So I was like, how can I help as many people as possible with tools that I know work that I have been working with for a very long time.

But also then I started to get that research and the science backing on how they work.

And so that's how the app, the keynote and the book became created.

In giving people tools and strategies for different areas of their life where they do feel overwhelmed stressed.

Like in the book we talk about forgiveness and relationships and connection and morning routines, like all the different realms, things that come up every each and every day, things that you can do in sixty seconds or left less that a lot of the time, you can have it stack onto something you're already doing and then start to summit the men and make changes.

I love that.

What's it like, for a you said before fifties.

Yeah, well, let's just say fifty is going on fifty, going on thirteen, sprightly bloody child.

What's it like to go, I'm going to be an author and create an app.

I'm going to I'm going to step into the tech space and I'm going to create something.

Well I did create it, and then for the first MVP, the first minimal vible launch or product, and then now I've got to develop a working on it.

Because I am not that ticky.

I don't know.

I kind of think, like anything, you're just going to give it a go, do you know what I mean?

Because otherwise you regret it.

And you know, I just kind of think, if there's ever you've ever got something in there that's niggling at you, that keeps coming up, You're going to regret things more that you don't do than you do do.

You know, so at the end of the light your life, you're gonna God, I wish I did that, so it would be amazing to have a global bestseller.

But I gave her one hundred percent a good nudge.

And it's like anything, it's it's you've just got to think, if there's something there.

You don't want to wake up each morning and go I really feel like I should be doing that or finally gave that.

A guy, you know, speaking used to terrify me when I was a kid and I wanted to be a tour guide so much, and that I just just kept doing it and doing it until I got confident of that.

And it's you know, people, I can't remember which soccer play it is, you know, but I read about a biography of a soccer plan he wanted to be one of the big superstars.

So it's all about, you know, if you want something hard enough, you just practice and practice and practice, and you'll do every avenue to get to that, to that next level.

What's been the biggest challenge for you in life?

For well, or even just in the launching of the launching in the backing.

So I just feel like there's gonna be a lot of people listening to this going, well, I've got something that I'd like to do, and here's this woman that's just doing it, Like how do you develop that?

Like how come Heidie?

It just feels like she can get up, have an idea and go and do it.

And what can she give me that can help me do that, like what challenged you and what got you through it.

I think I'm quite spiritual, and I think it's for me it's trust, seeing that it'll work out, having that in a trust and knowing that if it fails, it's okay.

Do you know what I mean?

It's it's yeah.

I do feel in a way.

I don't know.

I do get moments I'm like, Okay, I keep getting this niggle to do this, so I'm going to give it a guy, you know, And it is that imposter syndrome.

You know.

I definitely have it, and I think everybody has it in some way, and it's you do have like who am I to write a book?

Or who am I to be a speaker?

Or who am I to dread app or who am I to do whatever?

And I think even what we see as the top people that have reached top of their game have had imposter syndrome.

I remember I was seeing a Women in Leadership summer earlier this year and there was like some amazing people on the panel when I was hosting the panel, and imposter syndrome came up and these were women.

I think it was either the top of finance or something like that in New South Wales and imposter syndrome came up from the audience and every single one of these women said, yes, I suffer from imposter syndrome.

And I'm like looking at them, going, are you kidding me?

So everybody has that, It's like, well, what are you going to do with it too?

How much are you going to let that rule your head?

Because it could rule you every day.

I was like, when I noticed that fear come up, I just say, I release you.

I release you fear, you know, and it will come up every day in some way about something.

But I just I'm like, I relationshed, you know.

One of my mentors, and now I work with through Harps on his podcast his show.

But when I first came across and I followed him for a long time and went to his events.

Then I started volunteering at his events, and it was a particular time that he said I really resonated with how he spoke and the messages he shared and just the grungey, down to earthness of his message.

I was like, this dude's cool and he's theirs, and I'm down with that.

There's no mask there that can just be you and share stuff and it's cool.

But what had this huge impact on me was this realization one day, I don't know whether it was a podcast or one of his events, but where he talked about imposter syndrome and how he still experienced it, and it would just there was a dial and sometimes it'll go up, but sometimes it'll go down.

And I remember sitting there deep in thought and going, oh, well, if this guy, if this guy who I have on this pet I still here, if he still feels that now and look what he does, then I better get my bloody skates on.

I've got to get my skates on because it's not going away, like you've got to get started.

Yeah.

Yeah, And it was you know, those types of speakers or people or moments that get shared are the ones with the biggest impact where you just go, oh, you know, and I think further to that once once I started stepping out and in different arenas, doing different things and realizing the value of it.

You know, I only did business networking because a boss of mine our company merged and one of the directors went from managing to production and was like, you're in sales, so you've got to take over this b and I membership, but I was Heidi.

I was terrified.

I was terrified of sixty seconds to stand up and go Hi, my name's Tiff.

I worked for this company and I sell business cards and fucking graphic design.

I was terrified.

And I would sit there as the whole room spoke and I'd go blank, and I'd have to put my knife and fork down for my breakfast because I was shaking so much.

I couldn't hold my knife and fork.

I couldn't eat for ten minutes afterwards, for sixty seconds.

And I spent so much of my career, even up until a couple of years ago, I was sitting at a big boxing event and I was about to speak, and it was confronting because I was going to be around people I knew previous tip from boxing, and then I'm going there as a speaker, and I was sharing a really vulnerable take on this event and boxing, and I felt sick, and I remember thinking, I can't wait till I'm good enough at this that I don't feel this way.

And then I had a great experience and I left that event and went, oh, this is every single thing you do, whether it is getting in the boxing, ring, punching face.

Whether it's getting on a stage and speaking or whether it's getting on a motorcycle and staging around, gives you an element of anxiety, adrenaline, fear, nerves, and only because of those chemicals do you come out the other side elated.

So if you don't feel like that, then you're not going to want to do it anymore, made.

Of stressed, you know what I mean.

Yeah, I spoke the other day in front of a whole bunch of peers for Professional Speakers Association, and I was like, I wasn't totally nervous in front of that because I'm like, these are like the top people in some of the top people in Australia, you know, and I'm speaking in front of them.

But if you don't have those feelings of positive stress, yeah you don't want to perform your best and you don't really care, do you know what I mean.

So it's it's a good sign because if otherwise you're just cocky and you always think.

I always think like a lot of my kids play high level sport and you get to the Grand Final and you know when you're the first play the fourth, you know, a lot of the time that fourth wind up come winning, because that first team is won every single game all the way up to the Grand Finals, and they're cocky.

Yeah it is like breeze in.

But those fourth they've got nothing to lose, they are they're just going to give it one hundred and ten percent.

And they might be that nervous because they're playing the ones of the winners and the amount of times that they come up on top, do you know what I mean, and knock that top team out of the Grand Finals.

So I was going to say something that I love as well.

If you are you always see the glossy on socials, you see you know, the people at the top of the game, and you're like, oh my god, I'll never be like them.

But go one, go and look at what they were like.

Watch their first YouTube videos, you know, watch their first hear their first podcast, or see their first song or whatever it is, and there's a great saying behind every master.

There was a disaster and oh I love that, you know somewhere, and you know, I think of myself at fifteen or fourteen in English flast going bright red, you know, standing in front of the class and if you can get one, my Big Mantrey is like one percent better every day.

So every day, if you can do with something that you've you've learnt, something you've I don't know, I'm not something off you to do list, you've gone to the gym for five minutes longer.

If you can just do one thing that adds levels you up one percent every single day.

By the end of the year, you've leveled yourself up through an a sixty five percent.

What's one of the fly is that you've learned the most from hm hmm.

I think for me it's sometimes I am a bit shiny object syndrome, so it's soul sister before before we start recording, but it is and I'm still learning.

It's about not having too many shiny objects around me and knowing when to say, putting out boundaries and saying no.

And even in the last I suppose year, I've been a lot better, a chronic volunteerer and you know, not honoranteering, but volunteering.

And I love being in fomo, I love being a part of everything, and it's actually going doing less is more and just focusing on a few things.

So I think my failure is trying to do it all all at the time and then being you know, like a multitasking multipus and dropping a lot of just doing a lot of things about it all at the same time.

So it's about putting up those boundaries, also putting up boundaries of how I spend my time on the weekends and who I spend my time with as well, because I used to try and catch it with so many different people and try and be here, there, everywhere.

And this last weekend I caught up really with just I did have a big lunch on Friday, but that doesn't count.

But I did cant to catch up with one friend.

That doesn't count, does it?

That doesn't count not Friday, but but not officially the weekend.

But just having you know, one quality friend, you know, is rather than trying to see lots of different friends and not giving them all enough time.

Do you know what I mean?

So I think it's my failure is yeah, trying to spread myself too thin and try you know, I mentioned my keynote being addicted to busy and trying to do it all all the time and keeping I love a to do list, but also shortening it and not putting so much pressure on myself and just doing those things really well.

Yeah, I know, in the last when it comes to friends, in the last couple of years, I'd put on my white body the whiteboard up here in front of me, and I ended up writing the name a select number of names on that whiteboard because I'd made the realization that I'll people don't live in my head and I don't express myself well, and so I can hold people really close to me and they wouldn't have a clue.

Just a little miss poker face that's always very busybly, they probably don't realize how close I do hold them.

So I'd written these handful of names on the whiteboard and was like, you need to you need to actually monitor and make sure that you're interacting with quality interactions and spending time and reaching out and nurturing those relationships.

You know.

Back to that question I asked you before about making new friends, it was like reflect, reflect who's in your life, who's stayed in your life, and maybe who hasn't that that you look back and wonder why or wish they had and for no other reason, that just a failure to nurture.

Yes, And I think also it's you evolve as yes, as friendships, you do have your friends from a really long time ago.

But we are, or we should be, I believe, always evolving as humans.

And sometimes it is okay to let go of friendships and it is like it's can be scary because everyone loves their comfort zone and loved and doesn't change.

But in letting go of some friendships, it has allowed me to open up to new people that in a way, sometimes I have gone into deeper conversations with people I've known for a couple of months than in ones I've known for late twenty five thirty years.

Yeah, it's because I have evolved to attract that person who is at that level.

And it's not saying that that you know, the different relationships are bad or that person.

It's just we've evolved in different ways and everyone is on their own journey and that's cool, and it's you're not writing that person off, but you're allowing yourself to open up to new people as well.

Yeah.

I don't know if this is the case for everyone, but I know for me, the more I did the work on knowing me and like what do I value?

What do I do?

How do I what am I like?

How do I process the world around me.

The more I answer those questions, got to know I think, then I could see how I would interact in or pick up on my own intuition and feeling and energy which probably wasn't super present before in going to interactions and go why do I do that?

Why do I accommodate?

Or why do I accept that?

Or why don't I put like maybe that wasn't the best.

Why do I commit to things?

What's say yes to that?

Like that wasn't That's probably not great for me, But in the moment, I'm not tuned in.

And so the more I became quite tuned in and aware of my own self, that stuff naturally evolved.

And I think better friendships, better connections, You land in front of people easier.

So what you mentioned before, it's about and it is about really being aware of rsion and having that awareness of your energy and the energy that others have on you and you have on others.

And you know, driving home from seeing certain people, are you uplifted or you're feeling I actually feel a bit shit, do you know?

Or or I might excite it?

You know, is that when that name pops up?

Do you get excited?

Or do you get a bit deflated.

You know, when you're about to walk into that room, you know, you can pick up on the energy of the room, and even if it's people that you've known for a long time, you if you actually start to be aware of the different energies that you have with those people, and then if you do see people that lower your energy, how to protect your own energy as well and get that back.

But you know what, basically we are a mirror.

Whatever we put out is what we're going to get back.

So if we sometimes we do need to release certain people, set of situations, certain things, set of obligation and said too much just for me, you know, but it is all we need to understand what energy we want more so that we can release and then have more open for attracting the right people.

Yeah, and opportunities and situations and everything like that.

Yeah.

I've found myself to be really reflective of the energy.

Like I can see my behavior change or adapt to the people around me.

And I even noticed it in podcasting.

There's times where I'll edit and I'm like, I sound really different and it's not so unconscious, But I'll listen back and go, oh so I've learned to tune into that a lot, and kind of the questions less about do I like this person and more about do I like me?

Do I like the version of me I am when I'm with this person, which I think is more more important conversation to have than do I like this person?

Like it?

Yeah?

Yeah, I just I find all the whole energy thing very fascinating, you know what I mean about?

You know, and if you really start to pay attention to it, you can you can do it.

You're going you see a name come up on your emails and you'll feel your own energy change, or you know you've got something happening that night, And if you stop and think about it, your energy will shift.

You will either go up or down or excited or anxious or whatever it is.

And the more that you can create the energy that you want, the more that you'll stop doing the things that deflate your energy.

Yeah, I can think.

I think that's growth.

Do you know what I mean?

I think it's yeah, you have to.

I don't know.

It takes a while to come to that point, I think.

Yeah.

I think as a PT I've noticed it a lot, and I think back years ago.

I remember a specific time where I had Monday, a bunch of Monday clients.

I think it was a Monday.

It was at the start of the week, and I realized that they were all quite negative.

Like the conversation.

They were quite draining, and it was depleting me.

And I was like, Oh, I'm going to have to change the change these people.

I can't have these fall backed up like this because I'm empty on a Monday at the start of the week.

And interestingly, I've just changed my hours so that most of my I have a full day Sunday.

I never used to do more than three to four clients a day because it would zap me.

Interestingly, now my Sundays are like I had eight in a row yesterday, so it's full, back to back and I am I love the best clients and it's my favorite day.

I'm like, how can I be working that much back to back?

Finish?

Have the energy to do a workout and go home and go I feel good.

I've got such great clients.

Now, Yeah that's cool.

Yeah, good times mate.

Hey where can people buy your book?

Find your app?

And get around anything you're doing?

What do you want to promote?

Probably the easiest ways either connect with me on close shows.

I'm quite active on LinkedIn, but also my website Heidi horn Worn with Ehornie dot com.

So you have Lady Horny with a co com.

But there, it's got the book, it's got the app, it's you can reach out have a chat with me if you want to do any coaching.

There's a pre order for the book at the moment, that's coming out at the end of the summer, and you get three hundred dollars in bonuses.

So pre order the book and hopefully you'll see the book in all the good bookstores coming for the new years.

So jump on board.

Amazing.

I cannot wait to see it, mate, Thanks for coming on for a chat.

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