[SPEAKER_02]: and he swings, hit to high, and deep, and go!

[SPEAKER_02]: Still got it, man!

[UNKNOWN]: Wow!

[SPEAKER_02]: All I have, got to come to the favorings.

[SPEAKER_02]: Need to center field, and it is gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, his first big league swing.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna be a grand slam on the home run.

[SPEAKER_02]: Swagging drive, not tonight.

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got angels top prospects here on the call-up, arm-late, Jack McMullen, and a farm system here that I think we were, we were dreading a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think dreading is probably the wrong way.

[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't as excited for as maybe some of the others, but as I was updating this system, I kept reminding you, I'm like, hey!

[SPEAKER_00]: this isn't as much of a drag as you think it's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I stand by that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this system, it's on the lower end of the spectrum here, but we talk about farm system rankings and all that good stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I can actually see the the path here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can see the arms that they're starting to stockpile.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they take a unique approach to the draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of [SPEAKER_00]: Their approach to the draft isn't necessarily one of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's maybe how they handle some of those players after the draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, I look at recent drafts.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't hate what they've done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not only in the first round, but you look at the way they like allocate money to sign some high school arms.

[SPEAKER_00]: They always like to try to overswot some later around high school guys, sign them away from college.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've done that several times here.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about some of those arms.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they've got some intriguing IFA guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: Have I sold you in our last couple conversations on a little bit more angels excitement?

[SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily, but I look forward to you walking through everybody else and trying to, I don't know, further the sell job, but unfortunately, the angels have dug themselves a pretty deep hole.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand when you're saying, though, I mean, they stockpile arms.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really impressive what they do.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how can you develop those arms?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you decide to debut them in the big leagues and then send them back down to high A or do you actually go step by step with these guys and build on to their arsenal and allow them to develop.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's they're doing with like trade Gregory Alford who will talk about, but they didn't do with like a Ryan Johnson who's now that's starting pitching prospect again.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk about all that and kind of where some of these guys are at and we might as well just start right away.

[SPEAKER_00]: with the names to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Sammy Natara, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you remember, if you're, if you're dial it into the call up, you know that we've been Sammy Natara guys since I saw him in the Arizona fall league, it's been a bit of a disappointing year for Natara just from the perspective of [SPEAKER_00]: executing well enough to be able to make that big league debut this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that was something that I thought could be in the cards when I saw the stuff last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the stuff, it still was advertised, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's punching out 34% of batters between AA and AAA.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fastball is 95 miles an hour with some deception.

[SPEAKER_00]: The slide is nasty, but it's a 59.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 60% strike rate here.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's walking 17% of batters and [SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be hard to have success that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still think you can be a good big league reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's just going to need to find the strikes on a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will never forget him being first team all fall leak.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, saying like this might be one of the best pictures that we see in the fall leak.

[SPEAKER_01]: I understand why you were saying it though, but like in the end of the day to your point, you got to throw strikes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I don't have the toothpick in right now, but you got to throw strikes.

[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't, it doesn't matter how fast you throw a ball for, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that said he could absolutely be a big league reliever and he's still showing that you strike out 30 plus percent of Batters in the upper miners.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get plenty of opportunity to try to figure out how to throw strikes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's doing more strikes before.

[SPEAKER_00]: Matthew Lugo acquired in that trade for Louis Garcia, which I still get to get praise the angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was a master class trade getting four players for Louis Garcia.

[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Matthew Lugo, probably more of a utility bench piece, but that said he's awesome to do a guy that looks like he can fill that role.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's played all three outfield spots and joining the angels org.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more of corner outfield profile, but the fact that in an emergency break last for emergency, you can throw him out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: That works.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a power over hit profile.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think ultimately could hit maybe the short platoon, but regardless, [SPEAKER_00]: Fill a big league role and we've seen him do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten up to the big leagues for little spurts there and just seems like a decent bench piece potentially a 24 years old.

[SPEAKER_01]: If it feels like I like for me it feels like Matthew Lugo for Louise Garcia straight up was a near win for LA.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that you got three more to just think I play with how it's a huge win.

[SPEAKER_00]: Huge win shout out shout out Barry Menace and on that deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dylan Jordan is the next name.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a funky right hander.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was was fun kind of watching him throw and this is another one of those, I think, big investments.

[SPEAKER_00]: They give 1.25 million dollars a sign of away from Fort estate in 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what they like to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right, though, they'll save some money and they'll go big a little bit later on some prep arms.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think most teams that'll probably end up going to college and they sign them away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan's turned in good results this year overall in his age 19 season the fastball average is about 93.

[SPEAKER_00]: He he needs to find the zone a little bit more consistently, but for a guy in his age 19 season with a pretty funky delivery.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think his last outing a decision was one of the more wild stat lines I've seen he threw a playoff game for Inland Empire [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever seen anything like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But still intriguing enough, Slider looks like it can be pretty good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And again, there's some funk there that I think ultimately, probably puts him in a high probability reliever situation, but he could be fastball slider as a reliever from that like three quarters, kind of low arm slot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Draw her tato.

[SPEAKER_00]: right hander in double a pretty good identification here too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, $10,000 in 2020 to 2022 he signed for in the international free agent ranks.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had a bit of a wall in 2024 walked eight.

[SPEAKER_00]: 82 batters and 138 and 23rds innings, but it's been a much better year for him in 2025 where you're seeing him look way more effective.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's half this walk rate in AA and on top of that, you're just seeing him look a lot more like a pitcher in general.

[SPEAKER_00]: 24 years old, so a little bit on the older side, but a lot of quality starts this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fastballs ticked up to [SPEAKER_00]: through several outings this year is average 97 on the year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's averaging 96, you know, just about 95, 28 miles per hour on the fastball.

[SPEAKER_00]: The slider has come along as in a above average pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, just looks like the very least he could be a depth arm swing man type.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, with with the emergence that he is, you know, kind of made this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Looks like he [SPEAKER_00]: has an outside shot to be a back into the rotation starter could grab a five spot in rotation obviously on the older side doesn't strike out a ton of guys but gets ground balls as kept the ball in the yard and overall pitched to to pretty good numbers this year looking at the cumulative ERA.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah two seven ORA and eighty six and two third zennings.

[SPEAKER_01]: any time I can say somebody's doing the poor man's Brian Wu, I feel pretty good about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: The mid-90s for seeming the mid-90s sinker, that's an interesting thing for me because like you can get away with probably 65% fastball usage if you have two distinct fastballs like that, what would you say?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say so if they're really if the shapes are distinct like and you're locating it absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's got the splitter that's come along this year big time opponents have a 430 OPS against that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like everything is working to get ground balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it could kind of just be that pitch to contact get ground balls guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That works when you're walking 7% of matters instead of 14 C.

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Gray.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another right hander that was a two sport athlete.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a pre-draft report from Tyler Jennings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't gotten a look at him really much yet at all, but this is just another one of those sneaky signings here by the angels out of the draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: really athletic arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that Tyler really liked what he saw in one of the tournaments, you know, in the summer circuit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that end up resulting in him kind of getting bumped up a decent bit on his draft board.

[SPEAKER_00]: But fastball can get up to 97, sits in the mid 90s with some [SPEAKER_00]: It's a pitch mix that I think you got to be pretty excited about, and I'm waiting for this to really work for the angels because I like the approach I think Kate and Dana has been like of late the best example of a little bit later rounds bigger money signed a guy away and and realize that upside Dana hasn't totally done that yet, but at least you see a very obvious big leg arm there one way or another looks like great could be another one of those examples.

[SPEAKER_00]: sounds awesome, bit, got to see him play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Juan Flores, this is a high probability backup catcher.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, a glove for a sign for $280,000 in 2023.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think there's a ton there, offensively.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I did actually dive deep into the, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: Defensive video here just because I wanted to see I just everything I was reading and it just everybody's talking about the gloves since he was an international freight and so my [SPEAKER_00]: let's see this thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can really defend that there.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a quick transfer strong arm and it it is a rocket down to second base.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think on that alone he's going to be able to be a backup catcher because I think there's just enough for him there offensively.

[SPEAKER_00]: But of course you can dream on offensive breakout late bloomer there and maybe he plays his way into being a second division regular, you know, primary catcher.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we shall see.

[SPEAKER_01]: night it is funny real quick 19 year old in high a hits 10 homers but still only has a 624 OPS this year one floor is hit 207 walked 18 times in 89 games the punchouts were there got on base at a 283 clip like it's it's not good offensively on paper but a defensively that can carry you to a backup catcher roll.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had just run into 15 homers and our 15 home repower and defend like hack, receive really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to mention we can't do hedges three episodes in a row, but shout out, Austin hedges.

[SPEAKER_00]: Samuel out of Gary wraps up the names to watch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe we just talked about he just got promoted to triple I, enjoying a nice little stretch here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we just talked about him a couple episodes ago if not the last episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, seeing that fastball tick back up to the 92 93 range over the last few starts and I think that's made a huge difference as we talked about pretty solid first AAA start as well of the season where we went five innings just the other day five innings three runs two walks three case, which you know in the PCL you'll take that most days you'll get his last actually a really nice stretch for him you'll get his last nine starts.

[SPEAKER_00]: between double A and that one triple A start.

[SPEAKER_00]: A 243 ERA is struck out 19% of batters, walking 6.6%, but at the end of the day, you're hoping for the ability to miss enough bats and just get enough weak contact to be a five starter, because he sneaky is 24 years old now as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So probably just more of a depth arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Top 15 time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Barrett Kent, eighth rounder in 2023, right hander.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's some interesting stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny after we publish this lesson, I watch another Barrett Kent start.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of wanted to bump him a little bit higher.

[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, yeah, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, thing, it matters too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to upend this too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at 20 years old, fastball is averaging 94.

[SPEAKER_00]: The command got better as a year progressed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's got a pretty decent field of spin it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Slider, I think, is the pitch that really stands out between that and the curve on the slider plate are really well this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Overall, I think they were somewhat careful with the ending.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in a rehab setting until June 19th, and then in a game setting until July 19th.

[SPEAKER_00]: So repeated low-way there, but there's been some good stretches from him.

[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a guy that could be a pretty fun arm to monitor, but it is just all about health and maintaining that velocity, because we've seen him sit in the mid-90s, but it's about just holding that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a reliever, but if it's above average fastball and plus slider, it could be a solid reliever for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like it's health and command of the two questions, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously command could be health-related this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Big guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's 6-4-2-15 and like he does move pretty well down the mountain too.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting to see like that could project into something strong.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you got to see him throw 60 innings over the course of a minor league season instead of 30.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you got to not see him walk what 20 guys, 21 guys and 35 innings.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why I think ultimately probably a reliever outlook for him.

[SPEAKER_00]: 14 Talon Haley and this is a really unique story and as this is a we if you're looking at the right up this is a pretty draft right up from tower Jennings as well and you know I love how he starts it Haley stories all about perseverance and he has [SPEAKER_00]: persevere to a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: The whole story I'll make sure we pull it up and because I don't want to want to miss any components to it, but pretty amazing to get to where he is gotten, especially with with injuries and I know more that he is overcome, but 12th round pick.

[SPEAKER_00]: In 2025, this is another one of those we'll see like desert work here over slot to sign them away outside of the tent, you know, the first 10 rounds there.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's older for the draft class and I think that's part of the reason why he may have swept a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: on top of, you know, just maybe not being as visible as some of the other pitchers in the high school class, but there's a chance for a above average heater from the left side.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good projectable frame, a plus curve ball and a change up that at least flash is average, the command needs to come along a little bit further, but you have a chance for a quality three pitch mix here from a lefty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm reading this right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: This backstory.

[SPEAKER_01]: In eighth grade, he had a bone abnormality in which a piece of a growth plate pierced the UCL.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is what Anthony Castro bits on MLB.com.

[SPEAKER_01]: A piece of a growth plate actually like pinched into the UCL, it is throwing elbow.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to address the bone in the surgery, they had to tear the UCL.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they had to conduct Tommy John surgery to take care of this bone fragment, this like [SPEAKER_01]: and then also by the way was Hodgkin's lymphoma and it was what 19 rounds of radiation 21 rounds of chemo.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is unbelievable for a high school kid to have to go through that and chemo therapy to address Hodgkin's lymphoma.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why I wanted to make sure we pulled it up exactly because it was I just remember being such a unique story and I mean, it really is all about perseverance and trim it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: mind you, this is still a really talented arm, but you wonder how much more is in there as he just develops and is able to get away from, you know, the injuries and radiation and all the things that he had to go through.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think when you're looking at just the picture, I know that tower Jennings are [SPEAKER_00]: You know, head of amateur scouting really, really likes what you can do on the mound.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just you'll get a six to lefty 200 pounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you also great chance that he's going to have a pretty advanced perspective as he enters pro box.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank for high school guys a lot of times.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's some learning and new perspective that needs to be had as you make that adjustment.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: Haley's going to be a little bit more prepared for the adversity that comes in the proble.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be a drop in the bucket for this kid compared to what he is already overcome.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm really excited for him and this is a guy that I will be checking in on and just just rooting for point plan and let me add one more to this fold.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just kept on reading this article from Anthony Castro Vincent.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing and I will be back on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Tommy John surgery because they had to tear the UCL to address the bone fragment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hodgkin's lymphoma 19 or 21 rounds of chemo 19 to radiation and then there was a set back in his elbow recovery so they had to go with the internal brace procedure for a partial UCL there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's two UCL reconstructions and Hodgkin's lymphoma in his high school career.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how do you not root for this kid?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, it could be above average heater in a plus curveball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's on me up from the left side.

[SPEAKER_00]: Another left hander that they grabbed in this draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny Swilwindski the third.

[SPEAKER_00]: third round pick, 79th overall.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is another guy that I don't think the stuff is crazy yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of intrigue just with the pitchability and just the deep bag of offerings, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fastball that looks like it could be average, maybe slightly above if you can take up a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's some good life that allows it to play up beyond the 89 to 92 that it mostly sits.

[SPEAKER_00]: Slider flashes average is best pitches a change up that's above average as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then so trying to kind of find that taste breaking curveball.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's always so hard to put pitch grades on, you know, young prep arms like this, especially the lefty pitch ability guys compared to their peers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of a wait and see thing, but [SPEAKER_00]: got nothing to add.

[SPEAKER_00]: You might have a little bit on this guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know you've seen him throw number 12.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the other approach that the angels like right there going to pair some of those high school arms with those college relievers who throw fuzz.

[SPEAKER_00]: Next of late as we've seen some of those college relievers who throw fuzz have been transitioned into starters roles.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're going to do that with Chase Shores, but I do know that Chase Shores has a great chance to be a big [SPEAKER_00]: They love their hard-throwing college relievers want to want an ad at LSU guy throws the living crap out of the ball he battled some injuries but the further he was removed from the 20 23 Tommy John surgery that he had you started to see him.

[SPEAKER_00]: just throw more freely, throw harder and throw more strikes over his final 10 appearances.

[SPEAKER_00]: He averaged 100 miles per hour on the fastball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he literally ticked up as the season progressed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a six eight pitcher releasing from a five three release height.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that dynamic is also unique.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to need to find something you can spin a little bit better.

[SPEAKER_00]: But he can also go 70% fastball at that velocity with those characteristics and [SPEAKER_01]: So I was having a conversation right before the draft with Ben McDonald, because we were in Baltimore.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Ben McDonald was obviously doing color on the Orioles telecast.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Ben McDonald before Paul schemes was the best picture that the SEC had ever seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a number one overall pick at LSU.

[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously he does a ton of great college baseball stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked him about his tigers and he said, man, have you seen this kid shores pitch?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, he said, that's high octane stuff, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything about this guy screams high octane shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he fell to the angels here, I wouldn't call it falling because there were enough flaws in the season to push him to the second round, but the angels have somebody that like, you [SPEAKER_01]: You close your eyes ever so slightly and you look into the future and you see shores throw on the eighth and you see Joyce throw on the night.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you are just in love with what could become for the LA angels.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a guy that you don't have to look too far down the line, you might see that next year with the way they like to do things.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, shores is going to need to throw more strikes.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, it seems like something clicked.

[SPEAKER_00]: and on the first those may 24th and June 1st and then he closed out the season where the sticks were the highest with five consecutive outings without walking to single batter striking out 11 and the fastball average 99.6 in those final five outings.

[SPEAKER_00]: So something click for him there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're hoping that that continues to translate and then the big thing the monitor is just [SPEAKER_00]: How does that slider play from that release?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think a sweeper from his little release point could play really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure he's going to tank our own experiment with certain things, but he'll still be 21 years old at the start of the next season as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's still a lot to dream on and a lot to like here from Shoreshu as a great chance to pitch at leverage.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number 11, Gabriel Devalula.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're updating all of the ALS team right now, all all of the ALS systems are updated except for the Rangers and I'm doing the Rangers right now, the little has a brother.

[SPEAKER_00]: who is a great picture as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be a top 10 prospect in the Rangers on the real right Daniel Dabler.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then their dad played professionally.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the bloodlines are there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this kid's been really good this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's more bat first, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's more offensive than defensive.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens with the glove there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But a $2 million IFA guy in 2025.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've been a little bit, I think, less aggressive with him because I think they may want to see if he can stick a catcher, you know, whatever it may be, but I definitely like the bat and that was just my biggest takeaway 17 years old, you know, in the DSL and I said, hey, you know, let's let you play the whole year in the DSL here, which is, which is great, I think, because I think next year, he'll be in the complex and if he shows.

[SPEAKER_00]: some of the same stuff, you'll see them bump them up quickly.

[SPEAKER_00]: But while I do take the DSL data with a grain of salt because they see 55 to 60% fast balls at 90 to 91 miles an hour mostly, anytime you're running a 91% in zone contact rate is a 17 year old with above average exit velocities, you're gonna have my attention.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what he did.

[SPEAKER_00]: So is there a lot of projection on the frame?

[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's 501 to 10, but he's already posting, [SPEAKER_00]: at least average, just slightly above average, eggs of velocities, especially for his age, it's above average.

[SPEAKER_00]: And...

[SPEAKER_00]: When you pair that with great bats a ball, it makes the outlook really encouraging.

[SPEAKER_00]: The big thing though is, well, if he's playing first base, it's a little bit less sexy now.

[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to slug more.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if he's able to get by a catcher that becomes a lot more exciting of a profile, regardless, you have a guy that can definitely put that on ball here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number 10 is trade Gregory Alford.

[SPEAKER_00]: He throws gas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is another one of those examples.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've been thrown back in 2024.

[SPEAKER_00]: They gave him second round money, $1.96 million to sign him away from Virginia, 65, 235 pound right-hander who throws fuzz.

[SPEAKER_00]: The thing with Gregory Alford is [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a ton right now beyond the fact that he throws falls great athlete on the mound too, but in terms of there's the arsenal, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 70% fastball usage and then just trying to find which of the second areas is going to be the pitch that you can rely on.

[SPEAKER_00]: The sliders flashed above average and the curb on the change up or just further off right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Again, something could click in those pitch, you could find a split grip or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's hard putting like definitive pitch grades on there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this guy is a great chance of at least landing is reliever and he's touched a hundred several times this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: The view I was slipped a little bit as this season progressed, which is to be expected for a guy that was 18 years old at season start.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what I was most encouraged by [SPEAKER_00]: he was phenomenal overall and you know I think in the air is on a complex league as he settled in and then he got up to low a and if you include the postseason appearance actually suits this case if you eliminate the postseason appearance uh if you include his six starts at low a pitch short one four two y'all right now he did in twenty five and a third zinnings [SPEAKER_00]: walk 13 and strike out just 20, but opponents at 180 against him and swoop 202.

[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly, really struggle to barrel him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that is just sheer velocity, but also it's kind of a heavy fastball that is resulted in a high ground ball rate, not a lot of damage.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is just a template you're excited about given the size and the athleticism in the arm talent, but he's clearly a thrower right now and not a pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the big thing that jumps out to me here in terms of the line for him, it was 53 innings in Arizona in the complex in Arizona, very hit or friendly environment, when you get to those spring training complexes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go to low-way, you're in inland empire, California, that is inland, California, and the ball is going to absolutely fly there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's incredibly dry.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in 78 and two thirds, you face 329 hitters, [SPEAKER_01]: and only two took him deep.

[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the slug was kept in check.

[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't allowing Homer, so like, [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, it is walking the number of guys that he did okay in low way.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, not necessarily.

[SPEAKER_01]: He walked 13 and 25 and a third, but he's not going to get clipped in like a walk is not going to turn into a two-run Homer.

[SPEAKER_01]: It takes stockpiling singles against him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's good news for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a matter of finding this right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So and that should give him more confidence to pound of the strikes on consistently.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, and I think that's going to just come from, you know, cleaning up the delivery and I just, I think that's the big part too.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's just out there kind of throwing and the fact that he's doing that and turning in the results that he turned in, I'm excited to see, you know, what a first real full pro off season looks like after, you know, really throwing a full season and then what he can maybe find arsenal lies to cut down on some of that fast border lines, but you wonder like there could be more velocity in there, and especially if he moves to the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that and you're going to give him plenty of run way, but I'm saying like two years down the line three years down the line, you decide to make that shift.

[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine what that fastball could be sitting in a couple of years in shorter spirits, like he could be right around a hundred.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the the great part is you have an exciting fallback here, but there's also plenty of of upside to dream on and still kind of hope that you can carve out enough to to land in a rotation.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number nine, Joshua Lugo was a fun watch and they're they're going to be I think a little bit more methodical with him because it's very much power over hit, but this is a guy that they paid a lot of money to sign in the 2024 class and you look at the skill set.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's one that is very volatile.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's one that you're maybe concerned doesn't totally translate.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's one that could probably in the worst case stall out in the upper levels, but it's also profile that could turn into a 25 plus home run bad at the highest level if it all works out.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's interesting because the raw power is is way more.

[SPEAKER_00]: present than I think that the home run total would imply was two homers and 35 games this year, but he had an EV 90 of a 108 miles per hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, some of the EVs that he was popping this year for for a kid that's 18 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm I'm looking at it now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know there was a couple.

[SPEAKER_00]: 113's, the fact that he saw 375 this year when he popped several 112, 113's is frustrating, but also at the same time, it's like, okay, well, how much more is in there?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: That said, he also struck out, you know, I think he missed some time with injury.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't played since July 2nd, but up into that point struck out 26% of the time in 35 games at the [SPEAKER_00]: But it was a lot better.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think than what we saw in the DSL way more power improved bat to ball, but power in terms of the raw area.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just think the data in general looks better than what we saw in the DSL against better competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: The injury sucks because I think he could have been a candidate to really sprint through the finish line here.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is still a thing in intriguing power bat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he doesn't stick at short, I think as a chance to slot over to third and play solid defense there.

[SPEAKER_01]: you get really excited because he's 63225 and the previous listing on his weight was 187 at title science over the course of two years.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy is gained about 40 pounds.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like it's good weight here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got to I mean, 225.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got a unit moving like that hitting ball that hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a matter of elevating and celebrating.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the one thing that he's got to work on right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Damn, you feel really good about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's defensive work to be put in here, but that's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: That can also be a work in progress.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy was born in 2007.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, that's getting worse seeing those years now.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got more and more things that I remember from those times, like very vividly now, that's the first, the first 2010 baby I see is gonna be brutal.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna, that's gonna mess me up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's gonna mess me up.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the last thing on Luga, I just said, [SPEAKER_00]: that like is the exact thing that I think when you're when you have a farm system that maybe isn't as talented overall as some of the others and yeah you want to have variants variants is good hey of course you want high floor guys as well but when you're filling out a system like you want to have some volatility because that volatility also implies high end outcomes too and it's more of a role of the dice is more of a gamble but when you have a guy here [SPEAKER_00]: That's a fun player to add to the fold and he's still just 18 years old and with the trend this year and we're going to talk about it with the guy a little bit later, there have been some of the angels, IFA guys, you know, bigger ticket guys that stole it out in the first couple years that have hit their stride and you know, year three or four and I think that's the hope with we go going into 20, 20, six hopefully completely healthy there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number eight, Chris Cortez.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Chris Cortez was gonna be the guy that they fast tracked as the Big League reliever and Johnson manned up, you know, going more station to station as a starter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the opposite?

[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're both being station to station to start.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're actually in the same rotation in high A.

But Johnson ended up getting up to the Big League's as a reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cortez, they were really rocking with as a, [SPEAKER_00]: starter from the jump.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying in good results.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still think he's a reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: The command is just not great at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if you remember him at A&M.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a guy that was throwing absolute fuel.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they got the velocity just ticked up later in the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll get the stuff, I mean, the stuff is not a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a plus heater.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a plus slider.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then a cutter that's a good bridge.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just think the pitch mix also implies reliever more.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you look at the 16% lock rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that does the rest of the implication for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, uh, this guy punched out 102 in 64 and two thirds last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that jumps out to me, relievers freshman year, 44 innings pitched, reliever his sophomore year, kind of swing man of sorts, 41 in two thirds innings pitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: He also walked 40 in 41 on two thirds.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had a seven three year array.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he bounces back nearly a full-time reliever, [SPEAKER_01]: So that means that his innings total in college across three years was 150 innings and his high by 20 innings was 64 and two thirds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have his innings total in front of you?

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: 114 innings this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: They bumped him from 64 to 114.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's absurd.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot of innings.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the climb is unbelievable, especially for a hard throw or hard throw like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: So are they going to keep pushing him as a starter?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we'll see.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I feel about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of limped to the finish line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like last 10 starts in high A.

It is 65.

[SPEAKER_00]: We are right.

[SPEAKER_00]: He walked 30 and 36 ending.

[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe some of that might have been exhausted.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that that was a pretty pretty steep workload there, and I, but again, I like this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like this sinker slider combination.

[SPEAKER_00]: You get to a lot of ground ball 63% ground ball right this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: That slider was overwhelming for hitters.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's sharp with the late bite.

[SPEAKER_00]: They hit 117 against it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, I really think this guy, [SPEAKER_00]: It's well in a bullpen, but even then, like, it's got to throw more strikes in 58%.

[SPEAKER_00]: If he's even going to be a leverage reliever, and over those final 10 starts, it was a 57% strike rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to need to get better there, but definitely plenty of hometown.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, number sevens, a guy that I think will be the high guys on right now, and it's Hayden Alvarez, a 685,000 dollar international phrase, and sounding in 2024, [SPEAKER_00]: offers it a really nice year.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a guy that I surprised is not getting more love in the system.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was barely 18 years old at the start of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: How to kind of a rough DSL debut?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was when say bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't very good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then this year, I didn't really show some encouraging things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And hit his way off of the complex earned himself a taste of low A.

And in low A, [SPEAKER_00]: 20 games in a low way, he hit 355, 459, 435.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's at 895, oh, but yes, he walked more than he struck out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he has a chance to be an average center filter.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think more likely, maybe moves to a corner and you know, it can play solid defense in a corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when I'm most impressed with the years, you had a guy that wasn't great in the DSL, clearly made a leap this year, still has some room for projection and his frame, and turned in a really good year overall [SPEAKER_00]: good play discipline for his age and some some decent wheels.

[SPEAKER_00]: The power is very light and I think that's going to be something to monitor here, but he's got some time to fill out and add more and he's again just 18 years old until March of next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: me dude elite that to ball in low a with inland empire 20 games he walked eight times or he punched out eight times he walked ten times.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a 35 45 459 on base in his first 20 games in low a off the complex.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he was excellent.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was as encouraging a low a performer as we had over the final month of that season across all the baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's fascinating to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: How much more room is on the [SPEAKER_00]: I could, like, if I sent you a picture of him right now, you'd say, oh, question answered, actually, I'm going to do that right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me as we're talking right now, open your phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because the only reason I'm doing this is because I think it's like, I want to see your reaction actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I, I'm honestly really excited about him.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think because of where he's already at and the skill set and then you look at the body, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but I want your honest reaction to that question because I think he fits the bill of like, okay, yeah, there's a lot more room.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is totally like Andrew Wiggins at Kansas.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's like, it tries a little bit bigger here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's fill out.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, it's, it's longer levers.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's so amazing to me that he, he's able to make enough contact.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does he not look like a, like a small forward?

[SPEAKER_00]: 100%, he totally does.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, I love that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the fact that you can add some more strength here and very clearly and maybe it slows him down a little bit and maybe that moves him to a corner.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the offense is the the priority here anyways, because if you pair that above average potentially plus hit above average plate disappointed now, even fringy power, you stick that guy in a corner where he's going to still move well enough to be an average at worst defender.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a solid regular without a doubt.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is probably the most underrated player in the system, as far as I'm concerned, because you know what you're talking about, it's not the one of the best systems in the league by any stretch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not seeing him in the top 10 anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just kind of surprising to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's clearly room for another 15, 20 pounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if he adds that, maybe that power grid pushes up to 40 grade.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these get the ball in the air a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a 55% ground ball rate, [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him flash enough impact for a guy that was 18 years old for the entirety of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I am just excited to see what it looks like.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's second taste a low A after the way he finished the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: The cumulative numbers between the complex and low A, 340, 431, 430, swashline to 861 OPS, 13% walk rate, 16 and a half percent K rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to play big time.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get to the top six here in a moment before that, our last break.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number six, one time closer now starter in high A, Ryan Johnson checks in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Compy round pick in 2024, 74th overall and start of the year, having to wear some long earnings at the big league level.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then ultimately being sent back down to high A, very rare.

[SPEAKER_00]: path here, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: You make your big league debut.

[SPEAKER_00]: You make your professional debut in the big leagues, then get sent down to high A where he pitched the remainder of the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, show some really good things.

[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see him throw after, I think it was August 29th, but [SPEAKER_00]: Finish the year with some really impressive outings, including a complete game 12 strike out one hitter on July 5th.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then didn't throw for like a month and a half after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just saw them throw a couple innings and relief and then that was it for the season.

[SPEAKER_00]: But overall there's there's a lot to like here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I still think ultimately lands is kind of a swingman reliever type very bizarre, but I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: It works to his favor in terms of the delivery where he just kind of whips the ball around from a very upright, just motion.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the cutter looks like it can be, you know, a well above average pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fastball isn't great, but it has some sync to it that allows us to be a ground ball and there's some deception from that just whip around arm action.

[SPEAKER_00]: The slider looks like a plus pitch and the command has been really good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you even include the big league debut.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the expectations are pretty darn lofty because he was the Compick for the Angels losing showhail Tony in free agency.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you better match that, Baba.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bizarre usage of him in the big leagues and we're going to talk about another guy actually next that I also think was bizarre usage and the angels kind of like [SPEAKER_01]: burbed this guy in a weird way and it almost feels like his prospect value has been diminished because of how they used him in the big leagues as weird as that sounds.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like, if this guy was doing the Cortez station to station thing and if he spent the whole year in high A and then maybe a couple starts in AA, you would probably be viewing Ryan Johnson is an underrated pitching prospect in minor league baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, this guy's stunk at the big league level.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at his numbers up there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's back in high A, what are the angels doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: Classic angels.

[SPEAKER_01]: He became a classic angels punchline instead of a good starting pitching prospect.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's the best way to put it because, yeah, if you just, if you just went to high A and did what he did, a 180, all right, 30% K rate, four and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: We love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: See you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, this guy could be a solid, you know, and so on and on forms.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's still kept, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's that's the important thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't really find anything about the work load and and how they tempered it down and what the deal was there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you saw some really good outings and in those 12 starts at our 12 appearances at IA, it really, I think they all were starts at [SPEAKER_00]: to pitch to a 1-8-8 and 57 and a third's innings with only 10 walks is really encouraging.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's still that swing man, maybe five starter type.

[SPEAKER_00]: The delivery is weird, and I'm not really a big fan at this point anymore of speculating what we're going to be more conducive to health and what aren't because I continue to see the smoothest deliveries result in injury and then guys are like, how does he do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are somehow fine, but it does seem like there's a lot on the upper body [SPEAKER_00]: the lower half in in Ryan Johnson's delivery.

[SPEAKER_00]: It does not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems like, I don't know, any kids say like injury prone.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, okay, that's very.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very effort based like it takes a lot more effort than the majority of pictures deliveries.

[SPEAKER_00]: which, you know, that can, you know, it'd be effective ability to hold velocity later and now and things like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But was not a huge issue for him this year, clearly, as he made those 12 starts, a fastball average in 93, 94 with that kind of arm side run.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there is that deception with the way that he swings shots the ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I like the way the cutter and slider work.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to be a big legarm in some capacity.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's been interesting to see the way that he's been able to maneuver [SPEAKER_00]: fastball cutter slider and the fact that he kept right.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's at Bay the way that he did.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the big question though is how is he going to get lefties out, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a 801 OPS against lefties this year, a 477 OPS against righties.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I skew a little bit more towards the swing man, multi-ending reliever type.

[SPEAKER_00]: Got you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number five, Kaden Dana.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dana is 11th round pick that got a lot of money in 2022 pitch really well in the southern league where I mean he was he was dominating there in 2024 just kind of filling up the zone and and just not really having too much concern about the long ball and I think because of that you saw a really good numbers from a run prevention standpoint.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then naturally, you know, you get to triple A in the PCL, it's not going to be as good, but I do think it was less about the environment more about just the fact that he looked like a shelf himself in the beginning of the year, the stuff wasn't there the same way, the execution wasn't there the same way and then.

[SPEAKER_00]: towards the end of the season, I think the stuff has come back and it was it was more about the fastball execution last year that I think made him really solid because the fastball isn't great by like the metrics, but it's mid 90s and he was locating it well last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: The best pitch for him is clearly that that that slider and he was executing that pitch really well last year and it wasn't there for him in the early going this year and then the fastball was just flatter [SPEAKER_00]: It's been better through the finish of this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: What I like about Dana is he's 6, 4, 21, 15 pounds.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 21 years old with a lot of endings already under his belt as a professional.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just seems like he has a great chance of at least being met innings eater at the five spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's still has more time to develop as it's 21 year old.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't stand how the angels used Caden Dana this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to highlight how they went about using him.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a three one and it's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was there for one of his four outings in the major league.

[SPEAKER_01]: So far this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: He made an appearance for the angels out of the bullpen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Worked three innings at two run ball on April 4th against Cleveland.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the second week of the season.

[SPEAKER_01]: and then he goes down to Triple A Salt Lake for a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: For a month, actually, month and a half.

[SPEAKER_01]: He comes back up on May 24 against the Marlins.

[SPEAKER_01]: He goes three innings.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of his innings was a 35-pitch inning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Caden Daneeth, three innings, three runs, four walks.

[SPEAKER_01]: He came into a three-one game in the seventh inning.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes to Triple A for three months.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he comes back in September and makes two starts at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are they doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: He upsets me as much if not more than Ryan Johnson.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hayden Dana was one of the best pictures in my early baseball last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they are using him in a way that no other organization uses their top pitching prospects.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's unbelievable to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: How they utilize guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: It makes zero sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's what this make any sense at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's put them in a tough spot because I think it's put them more in the fight or flight where okay, I got to go with what works.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm getting up for the big league and start here and then I go back to Triple A and it's like, well, I want to pitch my way back into an opportunity up there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the focus is why it's on development and more on [SPEAKER_00]: How can I get by and get out now?

[SPEAKER_00]: And that for Caden Day, that's going to be fastball slider.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fastball is [SPEAKER_00]: average the slider's plus.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to work at the highest level consistently.

[SPEAKER_00]: The days where you're really executing and then you can make it work.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the change up is not progressed at all this year and that was the pitch that you really needed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because he hasn't really had a chance to develop it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would have liked to have seen him get run way as in throwing double trip, I guess triple likes through so much in double I last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: throw out there and we don't care about the results, Caden, like just keep throwing that change up, keep working on the delivery.

[SPEAKER_00]: It may be try to find that curve ball too.

[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, it's been, you know, fastball slider and how can I get enough outs to get back up to the big looks and what I'm in the big looks is how can I get by here?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't think that's the best thing for him long term in his age 21 season.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why the change up this year, [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it just, if anything, it backed up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It hit a 47 and a half percent strike rate this year on that change up and quarter the pitches that you threw were never even close when he went to that change up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's the frustrating part because there's a world where if Kaine Dana develops an average change up, it kind of gets back to where we saw him last year where the execution was there.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, really solid back into the rotation starter.

[SPEAKER_00]: We can eat a lot of innings, but this year, it's just, it hasn't totally been there [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they saw the command to take a little bit of a step back this year, and maybe some of that might be nibbling to as well, it's just not a guy that I would want to ragdoll when the command is taking a little bit of a step back and it's 69% strike right on the fastball last year, this year it's 64%.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just not as pinpoint as it was last year with the heater and I think that's affected him a little bit as well, I still think great chance to be a good back and starter, but it's kind of despite the circumstances, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: they've messed with too many guys like first it was read deadmirs that was held a gerry and kaden Dana that was Ryan Johnson they've messed with way too many guys and it upsets me so let's move on to the next guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well another guy that just got up to the big leagues but I think honestly this made this makes sense I was hoping he'd get a shot at the end of this year and I think he's earned it just got called up a couple days ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: Denzer Guzman and this was a big reason why when I was texted you about the system I'm like it's a couple guys that [SPEAKER_00]: I think are going to be solid, big league pieces for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Guzman is, is that now in what capacity we'll see, this was a $2 million dollar IFA guy, 2021, and wasn't good for a couple years in professional ball, but the good news is like, these guys have so much time.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I think has been a positive development in the angel's system is you've seen some of these eye-of-ay guys in the last year or two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Make a leap.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if there's been some developmental infrastructure adjusted or just happens to be, you know, positive, you know, just good circumstance of a couple of guys at the same time, but regardless, Goosemon looks like a guy that can fill a role for them as soon as next year and obviously you're doing it right now at the big league level.

[SPEAKER_00]: Blake Discipline is really impressive.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to be 21 years old and kind of this break out season and get up to AAA and continue to hold your own.

[SPEAKER_00]: I make his really impressive, adding a little bit more power.

[SPEAKER_00]: You saw the ability to really pull the ball in the air and that's what stands out to me too.

[SPEAKER_00]: The EVs are not crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's still probably growin' to a little bit more strength as he is, he's still just 21 years old and has a little bit more room.

[SPEAKER_00]: But when he have a great approach, [SPEAKER_00]: Good enough, bat to ball and the ability to air pole really, really well.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to outslug those EVs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what he's done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Only a 34% ground ball rate, 33% ground ball rate, 17 homers, 30 doubles.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that I was really encouraged by is I love the glove on the left side of the infield.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can get by and I think play an average short, but he could play a great third base.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that he can play the only reason I have short stop slash third bases because realistically, he's just not going to play short with neto there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say neto goes down.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that can play short stop and he has played short stop in his first two big league games for that reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he can get by at short stop and not even get by, I think play an average or [SPEAKER_00]: with another year to above average big league shortstop, he could be a plus defender at third.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, as you can slug the way that you generally want from third base, maybe not right away, but I think it can come, and then he's got decent wheels too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a solid big league regular on the left side of the infield.

[SPEAKER_01]: So a couple of things there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Denzer Guzman plays all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: You look at his game totals in professional baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is on par with really anybody else.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is on his for a third basement for the LA angels because they have been clamoring for a consistent piece at third base for quite some time, really, ever since they paid Anthony Rendon.

[SPEAKER_01]: the other one, you say enough that to ball, do you ever feel like he's straddling that line of others who much with here, he does strike out a lot, and I know you really like the plate discipline.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I think he's close to that, but at the same time, I get a little bit more patience when it's [SPEAKER_00]: a 21 year old and double and triple A and kind of guy that broke out this year, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was really mostly playing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was double L.

Asher wasn't great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was second taste, but was aggressively kind of pushed too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then really didn't see.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that strikeout rate jumped too too much at the triple A level and then if anything is cut it as a year's progress, I think there's a case in a chance that he could swing and miss too much, but I just feel like with the play discipline, he's going to get by enough and I feel like he's only going to get better in that regard and the operation seems simple enough, but I think there could be stretches where he's swing and missing a little bit too much, but when you're running the chase at 20% and recognizing spend the way that he does and [SPEAKER_00]: rarely expand against the elevated fastball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just think this guy's going to maneuver enough to make that strike out rate.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, palatable at the 25% range.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: The defense, I think he's going to allow him to accumulate a lot of war too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And do you have any, however, do you have any, how many, how many bags he had this year, geez?

[SPEAKER_01]: It was 14 for 17 in the stolen base department.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was 8 for 11 in AA and then 36 games in [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a part of his game.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's nothing jumps off the page, but if he's I think what I think what you're looking on the higher end here is is [SPEAKER_00]: The third baseman who's in a above average defender who could slide over to short when you need or second base when you need, who can provide 20 homers, I think when it all, if it all comes together, but let's say 15 to be conservative, provide 15 bags, get on base at a decent clip and he's gonna strike out 25% of the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a guy that could easily get to two, two war, three war, I think, and in good years, maybe you could push to three and a half.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's crazy at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number three, Nelson Rada.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rada is a guy that was very popular, I think is like a breakout candidate when the angels just really aggressively pushed him to AA.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think he was ready, especially in that environment where it is not easy to hit, especially for a contact oriented hitter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pushed him there, like is AJT in season and AA put up in 89WRC+, [SPEAKER_00]: In 2024, he repeated there this year in a 93 games look significantly better.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He did not swog much at all, but the bats have always significantly better.

[SPEAKER_00]: The approach was significantly better.

[SPEAKER_00]: They brought him up to AAA in his age 19 season, not long after that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And more of the same there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw the swog shine through a little bit more because of the PCL bump.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a, almost, this is a guaranteed bigleager.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be in what capacity because the glove is plus and center.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to put the ball in play and the play discipline is plus.

[SPEAKER_00]: But if it's 20 power, [SPEAKER_00]: There's a question of how much impact it's going to be there to be a regular, but when you're a plus runner with plus defense and center field, like he outwards sees a fourth outfielder.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's important.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a prospect for tea guy probably because he just turned 20 years old a few weeks ago and he's now been in the upper miners for two years.

[SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: He's just, I feel like a guarantee to at least be a fourth outfielder.

[SPEAKER_00]: The question is just going to be, can he cut down on a 57% ground ball rate?

[SPEAKER_00]: Can he hit the ball a little bit harder and prove on a 99 mile per hour EV 90?

[SPEAKER_00]: All those little things.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know he's going to put the ball in play and you know he's going to get on base and you know he's going to defend and run.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's been really, really good this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there is a case that we were talking about, you know, a possible minor league players of the year in each organization.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is a case based on age to level, and yeah, what he's done from a WRC plus perspective that he has been the best offensive performer in the LA Angels organization this year, which is amazing to think about, especially when he's, you know, repeating the upper miners right now, but [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, I mean, you laid it out perfectly there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the fact that this guy has made the correction makes you think incredibly quick learner.

[SPEAKER_01]: For me, it's a lot like another former angel prospect at your carol, remember when carol first got to double a and it was terrible.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden he like kicks it into high gear and it's good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now carol looks like a piece and the big leagues moving forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and then the tough part is he's not going to have that power up tick that caro hand, but I think it's at some more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think progression where it's hey, we were fine with him struggling in double, and I know that the angels, they love their staff there, you know, and that was probably big reason why Rada was sent there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it worked with caro in his development, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It just required a little bit more patient.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can say that it did, it did.

[SPEAKER_00]: Theoretically, it looks like it could be working with Rada.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why let him just go have a leap plate to support in high A, walk a ton, and just yawn in his outbats because he's just so advanced compared to his competition.

[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of challenging him in AA, where he struggled, I don't hate that.

[SPEAKER_00]: that progression there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it resulted in, I think, just the prospect world, like a lot of people I saw in social media, like really, really excited about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They should be excited about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the ceiling for a guy kind of misconstrued as, you know, an 18 year old getting to AA because of how quick he was getting there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's enough impact to be a regular, if he really, really hits, then he can be a regular.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if that hits, it was a plus, I think he can be.

[SPEAKER_00]: But at the very least, I think you've got a guy here that there's a fourth outfielder.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as a great chance of at least being a second division regular, and I know will be in the fold for the angel's next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It also helps his case that he's good and left on left matchups.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number two overall pick in the 2025 draft of surprising pick, but doesn't mean he's not a good arm and I think he is a very solid arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Bremner, right hander from UC Santa Barbara.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the best change up in the draft, and it's a fastball that has some run and ride, and then it's what's the third pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the question.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Brahmner has good command, and I think that's what the angels were looking at here is, okay, we already have one clear plus big league pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a fastball that's at least big league average.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we also have a above average command here.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that we can move quickly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just what can we do to maybe supplement the arsenal to make it translated at the highest level?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're going to Kaden Dana, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Fastball with a plus secondary, and he's stalling out a little bit here.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is where with Brabner, it's going to be so important to find that third pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because the slider is just not there yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be the thing to monitor.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the fastball average 95, I am a little bit concerned that he could lose some carry on that fastball when he goes from the college ball to just just a professional baseball, generally that's how it goes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's kind of a run and ride guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, it still looks like it's going to be in above average heater.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then that 70 grade change up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just what is that third pitch going to be and how fast can he learn it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I've had a couple of good conversations with guys when it comes to adjusting to new baseballs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it really does seem like they feel like there is work to do to get the same characteristics back in a different baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there is a world where Tyler Bremner, this offseason, figures out a way to throw a professional baseball and get identical characteristics to what he did in college.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, is it harder?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: can you also allocate 100% of your time and energy every day into doing it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the life of a professional baseball player and there are ways that good organizations can help you improve shapes or get back to shapes that are very good.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got a lot of confidence in a guy like Bremner figuring out how to keep those same characteristics with a different baseball at least I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say the safest arm in the draft.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was, you know, pitcher one in the draft, but he's pretty darn safe because you know you're getting strikes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was just thinking, okay, if a college pitcher is going to go to why wasn't it Jamie Arnold, Bremner, I guess, in a certain sense is a little bit safer because you know you're getting a five at worst and maybe a three at best versus Arnold could be a two in major league baseball, but you could also turn into a relief arm.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we just wrote up our an old and updated, you know, we're updating the LSS I alluded to the athletics system is already updated now and with Arnold, like the fastball got hit pretty hard this year and you still feel good about it potentially being a better pitch and yeah, how we can potentially get a little better with the command and the shape and all that good stuff, but like bremner you know it's going to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: an average biglick heater at least and has a really good chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: So at least be above average with the execution to go with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that that's why you look at that combo and you feel good about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really teach the change of the Ramnar has and that feel for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: 67% strike right on that change up while being able to just dot it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just great with crazy arm side like fade to an opponent's at 160 against it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like [SPEAKER_00]: That's a nasty pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I loved the way the foreseamer played at the top.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like he got 30% chase at the top of the, or 30% chase on the fastball this past year, most of it at the top of the zone.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I grew with you like, there is a chance that he could lose some of that carry, but this is a guy that I think a big reason why the angels loved him.

[SPEAKER_00]: fantastic makeup you hear nothing but great things about parameter and has the work ethic to do it the track record of throwing strikes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bet on him being a big league starter.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's much question about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how good and it's going to come down to where that what that fastbow looks like and then what's the third pitch and I think the latter is even more important.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Number one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Still going stuff here and I know people probably have bremner over this guy, but we're projecting big league starters here just big league arms and I'm still going to roll with the stuff of George class and and feel free to push back I'm interested to hear your thoughts.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think class and it's had one of the flukeiest years I've seen from a starter in a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really think the numbers and I know it's such a cop out.

[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers don't indicate what he really did this year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really do believe that with class and he had a weird year that included a comeback or office had.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it kept him out for a couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that'll, that'll mess with you, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it'll mess with you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when I was 14 years old, I took one back at way less velocity than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had sitting watch games on the TV and if a ball went back towards like the camera on the TV, I was jumping on my couch after I got the concussion from [SPEAKER_00]: with the velocity and then on on the mound like it could be for a guy like class, and so I think that was part of it, and then I just think you got babbits and just had some bad luck.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you look at a 5-3-1-E-L-R-N, like a 3-3-Fip.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the difference here for class and is, [SPEAKER_00]: You've got a plus heater, you've got a 70 grade slot or an even above average curve ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just, I feel like the range of outcomes are so much higher whereas if in the downside of bremner stalling out, you know, you're looking at a five starter and just a guy that may not miss a ton of bats.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then you do the classic comparison of was a back end starter more valuable than potentially [SPEAKER_00]: really good high leverage reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd argue no.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I think with the back side here of what could happen with class and if he doesn't stick in the rotation, this guy in short spurts jack, I think it would be diabolical.

[SPEAKER_00]: He would be a closer potentially.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think pitch by pitch like I'm doing the Vince Carter done contest thing like it's over.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no contest between class and and remner.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I side with you entirely like this guy stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't gotten an opportunity to just watch a class and start, you should do that because it is as comical stuff as there is in minor league baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's some guys that jump out and it's like, okay, you know, when Miserowski was in the minor leagues, it was just a little different.

[SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of tier two, in terms of guys that aren't throwing a hundred miles an hour, that class him is right there, based on what he can do with the fastball, which by the way can flirt with a hundred at points.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then also the slider, if you haven't seen this slider off of 97, I mean, it is downright nasty.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to push back whatsoever because if this guy is remotely near the strikes on, he walked four hitters per night this year, that's fine by me.

[SPEAKER_01]: He can be a good major league starter walking four hitters per night because the stuff is comical.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's landing it in the strike zone enough and good parts of the strike zone, there are very few guys that can barrel up something that George Klassen throws.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of the class and verse class and thing and there's some days where he just wasn't locating the breaking balls goes fastball heavy and that's where you saw those like six seven earned run outings, but the last four starts of the year for them at double a one 170 hour a 33% K rate three earned runs and 23 earnings and just kind of go through it.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's another guy, 97 mile an hour fastball at the top, then also 97 mile an hour sinker, they he'll run to get ground balls and mix in at the bottom.

[SPEAKER_00]: This power slider, like 90, that opponent's at 200 against with a 560 OPS, and then this really sharp hard [SPEAKER_00]: curveball at 85 that opponents at 190 against with a 590 OPS.

[SPEAKER_00]: So when you have those two distinct shape curveballs or breaking balls, and I got to see them behind home plate when I want to cover one of his starts from his arm action.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's gross, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we've seen a lot of guys that get [SPEAKER_00]: The run prevention numbers aren't totally there in the minors and then it just kind of clicks in the big leagues, but I like the way that he finished the year, I just think the upside is is so much more immense and then even the fallback, you put this guy in the pen, it could be closer stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So also reminded that they acquired him for Carlos a step is and it's so funny because here's your top prospect along without a Gary who is at least, you know, a guy that's roughly in the top 15.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big offer chart trading Carlos a step is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now I know Steph is just been good for the raws, but Steph is, and that's not even who they trade him to, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: They trade him to the fillies.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just, that's one of the best traits that they've made in a little while.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think in it'll reap rewards for them and it's given them their top pitching prospect and another probably one of their top, if not their top, left-hand pitching prospect and they never do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just never do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason they did it this one time and they did a great job.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said it at the time, wow, class in and out and get like great, great return for them for a reliever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they won't do it anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: We see them just continue to hold on to their, you know, to their assets while they sit in 75 wins or so.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the frustrating part for me because this was a great trade.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think class is going to be a part of their team next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like it, man.

[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, like they're still without a postseason birth since what [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so hopefully some of these guys can help soon and several of them are at the top of the minor weeks and probably will be helping them next year.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just is it enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll we'll see that'll do for this episode.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Astros top prospects next time around and then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, would you continue to focus on updating all of the systems again reminder that if you click through the team top prospect lists.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've got all of the ALWs updated except for the Rangers and that's in progress right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that should be done by the end of the week.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll be moving on to each division at a time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll have those top prospect rankings.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably do the farm system rankings.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do a Arizona following preview coming up sooner rather than later as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of fun players going out there very excited about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it's always thank you for listening.

[SPEAKER_00]: But core to talk in prospects for you all too more.