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Heard was from one of our patrons, Jeremy Patterson, introing the show today, which you can get the opportunity to do at each and every tier on patreon dot com slash Pot of Thunder.

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Allegedly enjoying.

We're led to assume that you are.

Yeah, So thank you for that each and every week, Jeremy checking it out, giving his support to the program.

And you can be like Jeremy, be like Jeremy right, Nick, Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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But now it is what you've all been waiting for.

It's just my camera.

For those of you watching, he don't do it for.

You, Nick, Nick Pollock has entered the program.

Didn't see what you did there, but you almost knocked my beverage over with your hat.

Oh, I'm sorry, It's okay.

That's what you do a reckless live performer.

I guess taking you back to your days and as a young man in your twenties, punk rocker, reckless maniac.

That was my attempt at the turkey trot?

What's that old dance?

Used to do it?

I'm like hundred years ago, probably I saw.

Lindy Hop and the Turkey Trot.

Yeah, okay, I'm gonna have to look that up or just watch you do it.

And in the video the Wilson Wobble, I don't know really who was the president back then.

It would make as much sense as anything if it existed.

Well, a turkey trot name has been commandeered by five K races?

Yeah whatnot?

Oh that's true on Thanksgiving or whatever.

Most people don't associate it with dancing anymore.

Nick, you should do the whole five k doing the dance.

Well you think you can do it?

No, what's so five k?

That's probably what three three.

Two miles or something like that.

That.

Yeah, I could do it.

You can get that out there and bang that up.

All right, I'll do it.

Yeah, you know, you know what, is there a Patreon tier that we can do it?

We can name it after someone, depending what their name is.

We have to come up with a clever second word.

What would you call the Jeremy Patterson the Patterson Patterson plod?

There you go, they do the gumpkin plod around here.

There you go.

That's it.

So you can come up with a new tier.

Nicol can do a five game for you.

Nick will permanently damage himself physically.

He'll wear a shirt with your name on it and run a five K to the hospital.

Yeah, anyway to your left.

You own him.

We got him, can have it.

Every day, can have it?

Get out of our way?

Yeah, fo you.

Put your hands together for the breakout star of the podcast Medium.

Corsels in the house.

Still here, he's here another week, not getting kicked out.

It's good Thanksgiving week, though you may commit some kind of uh that's trillinary full pa and get tossed out.

Yeah, dig into the sweet potatoes before the guests arrive or something.

No, I would probably be associated with running my mouth to some degree, so I could see that.

Yeah, fair enough.

That's where I typically get into trouble.

Yeah, family gatherings, everybody did that?

Been fortunate as of late.

You're getting it all out here, that's what it is.

Yes, yeah, and then when you're at the gathering, you have nothing left to say.

I said it.

Well, I don't feel stupid anymore.

That's good.

Maybe this week, though, I believe in you.

Somebody caused some trouble.

Let's get something going.

Happy Thanksgiving to those of you here in the States.

Apparently they have different Thanksgiving in Canada.

It was like a month ago, right, yes it was, and then they don't even have it anywhere else.

So happy Thanksgiving.

So those of you here, we got some treats.

Was all we do?

Yeah?

Oh no, I just I was listening to now, of course, is this entirely so, I don't know, But I was listening to something.

They were talking about Thanksgiving and how in the UK or Britain specifically, how they don't do a Thanksgiving per se, but they would throw celebrations for if the king recovered from an illness or something like that.

So I guess more than like on this day years in a row, or I don't know.

I don't know if it's or if it's just it's just the monarchy is such a huge deal that it's like, oh, the king is all right, let's have a like, let's have a party.

Is better?

It's this post nasal drip is cleared up, so let's have a fucking holiday.

Come on, ego maniac.

You know you just had to do it.

You were forced to do it.

If you didn't do it, put in the what do they call that, the stocks or whatever in the middle of town, throw tomatoes at you in the tower.

I wonder we revolted against those assholes back in the day.

So there you have it.

That's what they do over there, That's what they do.

I think it sounds right to me.

Yeah, it sounds like something they would do over there.

So, like any Thanksgiving, we have more food than you need.

Yeah.

True, Usually we have one treat.

This week we have two.

So Nick had a tree prepared, as he always does.

But I said, hey, Nick, if you're not bringing anything, I've got one more slice of this I can bring it with.

He said, I have something, but bring it anyway.

He brought it.

So I brought it.

Sure, And it's with that Taco Bell pie that sure is.

You can see the color put on your eclipse glasses, ladies and gentlemen.

How long if you had this slice about a week or so.

Yeah, But I had it in the freezer and I took it out this afternoon to thaw.

So, yeah, about it last Friday?

So is this good?

Like March?

According to not even of next year?

Yeah?

If so?

Is this Taco Bell's first foray into so the you can buy a whole dessert of some sort and bring it home.

Yes, So here's what I know about.

So it's the Baja Blast pie.

Okay, you said it was twenty dollars.

Twenty dollars.

It's a whole pie twenty dollars.

It's expensive, So I don't know, maybe two, three, four years ago I don't know how long it's been.

There were rumblings and photos of this pie at some event two three years ago.

Yeah, so I'm like, oh, they're gonna you know, they're making a big deal out of it, like we're gonna have this pie.

And they never released it, so people have kind of been longing for it.

So I think it was proposed and canceled, and then they finally came out with it, but as a whole pie, not an individual slice, which is what people expected.

I read way too much about this.

Apparently there was some kind of Baja blast gelato or something that was individual packaged, individually packaged, and it was a financial disaster for them.

So they said, we're gonna do whole pies and sell the you know, we'll sell fewer, but we're gonna get it out there since we said it's coming out.

So there it is.

So you guys can try that.

Okay, But what does Nick have?

Oh, I've got a white Texas sheet cake that I white.

I kind of doctored up a little bit because the recipe calls for almond extract, and I found that almond extract is a little too strong for some people.

Some people, well, I've just said.

But there are people who are like, oh man, that's like that there's too much almond in there, and myself being one of them.

If there's something with a lot of almond extract and not even a lot, really, it's just very potent stuff.

So I didn't use the almond extract.

I used maple extract, vanilla and a little bit of coconut extract.

Delightful and it's a yeah, white Texas sheet cake with some icing on one side.

Hum.

Now, I can't help but wonder if this was intentional for what this week's episode is going to be about.

Nope, Well, the two words that you used fit white Texas, white Texas.

We'll get to that in a moment.

Listeners know what it is, but the people joining us on Patreon Live don't know yet.

Nick, I've got something for you.

This came all right, Yeah, this came in the mail.

Nick got a gift.

I don't, Yes, I I'm just looking at the box.

I think I know, maybe not exactly what it is, but it's it's so very nice, so very generous, and it's it's.

The tape says Abbott's feel.

Yeah, and I I think I follow that organization on Facebook or something, so I'm familiar with it.

You can look at who it's from.

It's on there from Jake.

Grab that knife out of that look out.

Chris has a blade.

This is the second time someone's wielded a knife on the podcast Andy years ago, did I there's a picture.

I have a photo of you holding a knife, holding a knife, and we're like, what's going on?

It's threatening people.

That's from Jake Ledger, long time listener, one of the longest.

I would say, so he's got to be in the oldest.

I don't know, twenty ten, twenty, Thank you early, very very it's I don't even see exactly what it is yet, but this is too nice of you, Jake, too nice of you.

I have a feeling it looks like it goes on ahead.

I know what team it is, but I won't say for sure.

Yep, yeah, I mentioned just casually.

I don't have a Homestead Grays negroly ye now I do.

Wow, Thank you, Jake.

That's awfully nice of you, very kind.

That is Homestead Grays.

Who was the star of the Homestead Grade.

Wasn't name three players or you can't wear it wasn't no that was Kansas City was Satchel Paige.

I'm pretty sure Josh Gibson was a Homestead Gray.

Okay, I'm pretty sure he would be the standout player of the franchise.

Okay, well that's as good as it's going to get.

So yeah, wow, thank you, Jake.

Yeah, it takes a good dude.

That's wonderful.

Thanks to hear from him when we do.

It's super nice.

It's got nice leather adjustable strap there on the neck, high end stuff.

It is, Thank you, Jake.

Step up from a Miami Sharks hat purchased off Bay or whatever.

You'll notice, I'm going to move this over.

Hell happened?

Oh?

There it is.

You'll notice I'm going to move the the gray's hat.

Away from the pie.

Oh yeah, because I have a feeling that color doesn't come out of anything.

It wouldn't.

That would be permanent, permanent damage, including our insides.

Perhaps.

Well, I didn't notice anything, if that's what you're asking.

Okay, that's good.

I don't want to be concerned, So you guys.

Can just go ahead.

How does a Halloween whopper end up?

We never talked about that.

Nothing, no problem, really, piece of cake, no different collars.

I had another one.

No nothing, nothing weird?

Interesting?

Yeah, nothing.

They don't do a Christmas one.

No green.

They might, I mean they haven't, but they might.

You never know.

Why not Grinch whopper?

Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly what that would entail.

Being green, just horrible looking green.

Not good color for bread.

I'm gonna steal a little bit of this pie here.

See Nix's gonna do it.

Give the risk to Chris.

Yeah.

If I'll let you guys give your opinion on it before I say what I think of it, or you tell us how wonderful it is, you know, I will say I kind of a Taco Bell guy these days.

Really.

Yeah, that's surprising.

Yeah, kind of kind of warmed up to it over the decades.

Yeah, you were not a fan for many years.

We were.

They the ones that had or still have the caramel apple and panadas they did.

I don't know if they still do.

Those were fantastic.

Same they got their dessert game.

Tight Knicks can try it.

Here we go a solo view.

It sounds like you're cracking something.

It was in the It was in the freezer too long.

No, it's a it's a strong flavor m it's tart.

It's not bad though.

There you go, throw it one more time to the camera.

I got my tiny little piece.

There you go.

There it is the Taco Bell Baja Blast pie.

Yeah, send us a check.

I like the texture.

The name is blast.

It's got to have a strong flavors.

Yeah, I think.

Well, I think I told you guys this.

Everybody who I tried it with their whole peace so ringing endorsement.

It's like I would just me personally.

I worry if I make something that's got lime or lemon in it because I don't want it to be too much.

Yeah, and this is a little more if I was making something, This is a little bit more of that sort of tart flavor than I would that I would prefer.

But I'm not going to complain.

It's pretty good, Chris.

You think, Yeah, I'm not detecting any overt tartness.

You know, It's okay.

It's hard to I've never had Baja Blast mountain dew, so I don't know how true it is to have flavor.

But I would say it's different than a key lime pie, which I think you compared it to.

I think that's the best way to start off to what to expect and then say, but different.

But what's okay?

So what is baja blast?

I've had mountain dew many years ago, but what is baja blast?

I think the table that regularly lime.

Okay, so it's a lime mountain, I think.

So trying to bring in the Latino crowd a.

Little chili pepper.

They shouldn't sell it exclusively at Taco Bell if they're trying to.

That's a good point, but hey, you know, marketers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Yeah, I will say, once you get to the end of the piece and it's got the whip cream, it balances it out and there you go.

That's what I'm talking.

Yeah, a little reward for making it to the end.

Not a ringing endorsement.

But yeah, I'm trying to see exactly what they're trying to tell us it's supposed to taste, Like, maybe they don't have a description.

Well, here we go, flavor profile.

There you go.

It's a tropical lime flavored soda with a bold and refreshing taste.

They just threw extra words in their tropical line.

It makes perfect sense they would use it for a pie.

Then if it's a yeah, if it's a lime flavored m yeah, not bad.

How many would you get for twenty bucks in your lifetime?

Twenty bucks a pot?

Right?

One?

Maybe one?

But yeah, especially if thank you for bringing it, of course, especially.

If you don't have an occasion to share it, because I feel like you're going to buy this and eat the whole thing.

Maybe you would, but you might be a maniac.

But you know, I took it to work and we all try We said it's good till March.

Right, you take it to work?

Yeah, we all tried it there and then I brought it back like a third of it that was left over.

And then is that now taking away at it?

This is not directed at you because I've done this.

Is that faux pas to do to bring a pie?

You bring something and then you take whatever's leftover, you take it back home.

Oh, I've heard it is I don't think so see that.

I don't know.

We had a conversation about it, and I said I'm going to leave it, and I left it till Monday in the freezer.

Nobody took it.

Nobody took any more over the weekend or on Monday.

So at the end of Monday.

I just took it home.

Yeah, I think in some circles it's considered photo which circles like the people in those Mela Appliance commercials, those those like that whole kind of snobby thing they got going on in those commercials in that in that crowd, I think it would be faux pas.

Nobody hangs out in that crowd anyway, so who cares.

So if you take it to work, you're supposed to leave it, is what you're saying.

I think if you bring something to to a function, you don't take it home.

I don't think you're supposed to take it home.

That's what I've heard you do it.

Have I done it?

Yeah?

Because I made it, and I'm like, I want the rest.

You don't know what it's doing.

If they're just going to throw in the trash, I don't know.

If you think it's got more value than that, take it.

That's exactly what I did that.

I'm going to give you guys a few days.

Yeah, if no one wants any more, it's coming home.

Good for years about faux pas?

Enough, do what you wanted to, like you said, especially if you made it and like nobody's having it, or there's still half.

There's no guarantee that's not just gonna end up straight in the trash.

And you didn't let that happen.

And you've got a unique perspective on it.

You know how much work went into it, right, So you're you're just seeing that thing sit there because.

People had their chance to gobble it down, they didn't do it.

Fuck them take it.

I couldn't agree more.

There you go, faux paw enough or rewriting the rules of that shit tonight effective immediately.

With a faux pas.

Well this particular oh this case, okay, I thought we're going to commit a new faux pas well, you know, and this is good that we're addressing this the week of Thanksgiving.

Or like, let's say you paid twenty bucks for this Baja blast pie.

You take it to work or wherever you take it, and maybe a quarter of it has been consumed.

Again, you can't risk that just ending up in the garbage.

You take it home.

And I don't know about you.

You paid for it, and I don't know about you guys, but if this is a refrigerated thing and it's been sitting out for a few hours, I'm concerned yeah, I put it away.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm putting this away.

It's like oiled.

Yeah, it's going to be sitting out all day, and then you gotta take it home with your and then you can't even take it home after that.

See.

I think the real faux pas is if somebody else brought the Baja blast pie only a quarter of it was taken, and you took it when you didn't bring it.

Yeah, that would be a fool.

Yes, yeah, I'm gonna take this whole thing.

That's pretty ghetto.

Oh that's a that's a dick move right there.

But if you brought it, you own it.

Do whatever you want with it.

Can I tell you, guys a good dick.

Throw it at somebody if you want to.

I had a dick move that I was It was in an old test.

You know, you guys are do this where you search a word in a text and you see something, oh like because you're looking for something, but you see something else.

So I did that.

I don't remember what the word was exactly.

This was a while ago, but I saw an old text that I sent to someone, and I remembered because I told this person what I did.

I remember doing it, and I started laughing because it's a terrible thing to do.

But it was at a previous job, there was pizza in the break room or in the lunch room, and you know, someone like sent an email here there's pizza in the lunch room.

So I went in there and I threw it in the gardens.

And I realized I'd only worked at this place for a month, and that's already how I was.

Behaving pointless, what a pointless of terrorism in a sense.

And I hate waste.

I hate wasting food.

I don't like to do it.

But I must have been so upset in that moment that I just what were you upset about getting mistreated?

Being mad at people?

Really?

Just a month then, huh?

That's what I thought was kind of funny.

I was like, oh, I could see me doing that two years in, but a month then it.

Was So you were the first one there.

I'm guessing, Yeah, you didn't wrestle it away from somebody.

No, but it wasn't.

It wasn't brand new.

It was like it was like hours old.

No, it was.

It was Here's what I should say it was.

I think it was for a client or somebody they had like a slice or two, and then they brought it in here.

I didn't want it, so it was it was still hot, and it had, you know, barely anything missing.

And I just threw that's that's uh, take me back, that's quite a thing to admit.

I don't care.

I commend you for for owning up to such a do it a heinous action.

I'd do it again if I was still there, do it tomorrow.

If I was there, those people deserve If your badge still got you in the building, you go do it.

I'd throw one of the people in the garbage.

You care.

There's a reason why I'm assuming this is the workplace.

There's a reason why it's initials would be You're correct, Yeah, knowing that you were totally justified, and I applaud you for doing that.

Yeah, I just deserved a month then just threw it in the garbage.

Hold it up because it was, you know, a cardboard.

Given the employer and what I've heard from Andy about them, Wow, love it, beautiful move.

Okay, thank you for sharing.

That actually actually brightened.

But I love to hear that is a you don't hear that story.

How soon after the email drop did you get in there, like within.

The thirty seconds, I was on the other side of the wall.

Instantly going in there.

So he said, oh, I got.

Something for you.

Yeah, and I could get to it before anyone so.

That other people arrive and see it the trash, Like I just got this email a minute ago.

Why is this in the trash already?

There was sticking out April first, what's going on here?

I absolutely love that.

Yeah, I would say good times, but they weren't.

That was looking back, that sounds like a wonderful time.

Yeah, okay, So we got some more business here and there was no I'm sorry, more business.

There was no follow up.

No really okay.

I mean maybe somebody no email said there was no follo up in okay, but maybe somebody said I don't remember okay.

Because that's that's the I would think of that question later tonight when I'm going to bed some glad it came to me.

Now.

Yeah, and that area was on camera and recorded all the time, so I'm sure if anyone felt like looking, they'd see you get up and throw it in the garbage.

Oh well, I can't say I dislike that story at all.

Yeah, I mean, I hate to waste the food, like I said, but it had to be done.

Well, I felt wrong.

That was my only We've ever heard of the Boston tea party.

This is the Chicago pizza party.

Okay, so well, I say more business.

I don't mean another item to take out, but we have a plan for today.

We're not going to the listener submission list.

This has been a long time coming.

Yeah, I was thinking about this.

This is one of the rare occasions, possibly the only occasion.

But I want to say it's happened before where all three of us know what it is going into the episode.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I'm sure it's happened two or three other times, but a handful of times.

But yes, this has happened, and it is happening.

It's about to happen.

Who wants to be the one who reads the information here?

Well, how do we arrange the information?

I can stumble through it?

All right?

Well maybe that helps.

I don't know.

Maybe not.

Yeah, that's what I got here.

Okay, all right, are you ready?

No, but I'm gonna move this so you can still read it.

All right, We're gonna try our best.

What we're gonna do is turn the microphone over to Chris Jerichole.

Hell, this one's cold medley of sorts.

Thanksgiving NFL halftime shot Creed two thousand and one.

Thanksgiving two thousand and one.

There you go, country was ready to start healing.

I don't know it didn't work, but Thanksgiving two thousand it might have helped, did it.

Maybe we're gonna determine, yeah, or whether that explained why this country was attacked on nine to eleven.

This sort of pageantry, yeah, I said, I got no regrets.

I think the US is actually one of the least extraordinary countries when it comes to extreme pageantry.

That might be true.

That's a good point, But this, well we're about to consider tonight, is next level pageant.

Well, this is for sure.

Yeah, We're not treated to this level of pageantry in this country that often.

So you're in like North Korea, I think every day they have a they have a military parade coming down your street.

I'm gonna double down on it.

I might regret it because of the blowback, but this reminds you that the picture I posted a pod Thunderstand of John Lennon acting like a dick head, and the caption is look at him and tell me he didn't deserve to get shot in the face.

So you see this thing we're gonna watch is like, watch this and tell me the United States didn't deserve some sort of violent attack against it.

I didn't know this was the angle we were I didn't know.

It's just coming to me now, but it's you know, you bring it up with the healing and whatnot, and it's just I.

Think it's best.

This choice here is best.

The best reaction that I'm seeing is what Andy, what is it?

Wicked?

Lester sixty eight?

Is that what that is?

Yeah?

Yeah, if you could bring that there you go.

That about says it right there now.

That that says it about this show, or about about everything, about what we're about to watch.

What we just chose.

People asked this question as they were wanting watching it live.

Yeah, I'm sure, what the hell is twenty four years later, almost to the day, it says November twenty second, we're recording on the twentieth.

Oh wow, so almost twenty four years ago.

So here's what I'll tell you about this.

Didn't see it happen, no memory of it whatsoever until the last handful of years when you.

Guys brought it up.

So we brought it to your attention.

Yeah I never saw I didn't see it when it happened live.

And how do we do that?

Just sending?

You mean?

Yeah, yeah, one of you guys mentioned something about it, and I think I either I looked it up or you sent the whole thing something.

But I watched it, you know, a few years ago as a result of that bad I have no memory of it actually happening.

So I don't know if you guys have a different outlook on this or a different experian.

I always obviously sports fan, football fan.

I watch football on Thanksgiving, but I'm not much of a halftime show guy, so I can't really have no recollection of watching it live.

So this is the Cowboys.

This is in Dallas, and who I wonder who they were even playing, not that it matter.

Next question, no.

Idea Houston fixes in Existence Center?

Do they come around later?

Los Angeles Yams or well?

I think weren't the Texans a team?

It's kind of like the Washington Senators, right, they were a team, then they weren't than they are again.

Oh really I think the Texans were.

Okay, I'm not mistaken, it.

Says the Denver Broncos.

Oh okay, all right, and if you were wondering, the Broncos won twenty six twenty four.

Oh they were fired up apparently, sounds like a fired up the round, like.

A nail bier a two point game.

So well, this was in Texas, right, Oh yeah, okay, this Dallas hosts.

They always host Thanksgiving game every year, as does.

Detroit America's team, Right yeah, or so it said.

All right, so thousand and one, do you remember watching this neck or no?

How did you find out about this?

It was years later.

I don't think I watched this when it was on.

I was not.

I've never really been a Creed fan.

It's only in very recent times where I've come to appreciate some of the stuff that they were doing back then.

But as someone pointed out Creed memes, there's something to be said for once in a while, the Internet will make something more appealing to you that maybe when it was happening it didn't appeal to you off all that much.

Yeah, there's something about it.

I don't know if there's like a nostalgia factor.

I mean, obviously this band is back together and still active, so it's not one of those deals.

Where it's over and done with, their story is completely written or anything like that.

But yeah, this is one of those where it's because endearing in recent years to me.

Yeah, and I'm looking this up and apparently their third album, Weathered, was released on November twentieth, two thousand and one, so two days wow before this, So this is quite the coming out party for them.

Third album had My Sacrifice One Last Breath, We're the two big single.

Now is this so that that album that came out just prior to this performance?

Is that the album that had higher on it?

No, that was that was the previous as well.

Okay, yeah, human Clay, I believe what.

I call my turds.

I'm sorry, that's not nice at all, Human Clay.

Yeah, what was the first one?

Called My Own Prison?

Okay, I believe I've heard of all three.

Yeah, so they're all pretty big, I mean band, I assumed.

That that was.

That's what I was mainly looking for is to see what where they were in their discography, mainly to illustrate the level of megalomania that's got Stap wasn't broiled in and this was probably at or close to its peak, not probably that it was close to its peak, possibly the peak of his megalomania, which ended up doing the band in its first time around.

He became intolerable that swept up in substances pretty much ended the band.

The rock and roll cliche.

But it sounds like as far as as far as you hear that everything's going well now, which is good to see it.

It is good.

It's it's nice to see that when there's when you have that sort of a story and then someone's like, you know what gotten through it?

I'm good now, And without question, one of the worst album covers of all time.

It's in this one pretty bad.

I mean this is like put the tree on it, and.

There are three faces that the bass player had bailed on the band and they didn't do any sort of it was not good official replacement.

But yeah, it's not a good cover cover terrible yikes.

All right, Well, I've got a couple of pieces of information from a good local creed expert who was going to be on the show but couldn't make it today.

Our friend Tom Howell, No not Tom coldle Tom Howell, the guy who know since I was thirteen years old, good friend of mine played in the band with me and Nick for a few years there, and he's a Creed fan, he's a Tremaney fan.

He told me a couple of pieces of information.

Then I'll read now and we'll get into it.

But he said the lip syncing will be very obvious.

I believe the band is all live though, since all three songs they play are in different tunings and he's arranged them all in regular drop D.

I'm sure why he's mining them differently if he was faking, so why not just play them the regular I don't know.

So pre recorded to different tunings apparently.

Well, no, he said that they're saying they're all opposite the opposite.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Instead of that.

They they were originally done in different tunings, but they were re re arranged to all be and drop D the band because of the tight time frame.

He wouldn't have to be changing guitar then.

But then if he's if he's uh lip syncing, he would have had to have recorded yeah, special versions just for this to the drop D.

Right right, yeah, which I don't know the reason.

I'm sure somebody does.

Whatever.

Yeah, hey, I wouldn't want to sing it a halftime show.

Well, I'm much happier dancing around not saying what Yeah.

And and the other thing is, you know that the halftime show is less much less for the people in the venue and much more for TV audience.

So chances are it was almost all of it was pre recorded just for the sound quality, to avoid any sort of glitches, et cetera.

But we can, you know, we can watch and see what we think.

Okay, all right, are you guys ready to do it?

Yeah, we're pretty confident that the whole thing's out here on YouTube.

Seven minutes.

I think this is it.

Yeah, the one so no, sound quality might not be great, but yeah it is.

Yeah, it's as good as we're gonna get.

It's like the Creed VIDs YouTube page.

So I'm sure that if you if your YouTube channels called Creed VIDs, you probably found the best version.

Yeah, there's there's a lot of level of quality that people expect from Creed VIDs that they I'm sure they want to live up to.

I mean, the stands are packed.

Not a lot of people going to take a leak at halftime.

Well, Creed was you know, massive at the time, This was this was a moment potentially, right, everybody was probably thinking, is this going to be a moment.

Yeah, because there were a few that you see whenever you hear some kind of watch, some kind of retrospective on the time, and I think this would fit into that timeframe, right, I mean it's only two months after that.

Yeah, oh yeah, there haven't been there.

You know, everything was back to I don't want to say normal, but as far as large gatherings, it was only.

Oh no, So the the spectacle of the NFL is super Bowl and a close second is Thanksgiving Day.

Now they've watered it down where they've got a Black Friday game, they've got fucking games four days a week.

But back then, Yeah, this is the first real NFL nationwide spectacle post nine to eleven.

So yeah, people are paying attention, all right, and and they got Creed.

Yeah.

And if you don't, if you're not familiar with this at all, I would encourage you to also check the video out.

Oh you have to watch.

Yeah.

We're not just talking about this because of the music.

No, that's definitely taking a back seat to the visual.

Viewing the video, either in conjunction with listing this episode or just watching it afterward.

If you've never seen it as a must.

Yeah, it's an absolute.

Must, all right, So let's take a quick commercial break.

We'll be right back with the two thousand and one Creed Medley.

Hey, the Dallas Cowboys in the National Football League present an American holiday tradition with a halftime celebration to kick off the Salvation Armies Kettle campaign, joining Jean and Jerry Jones, like the Commonweal Organization, just Commissioner John plusby the National Commander of the Salvation Army.

So already there's the filling of the Salvation Army thing, and then these two chicks and red body suits come out.

Things.

Things have gone horribly wrong already.

Yeah, what's what they piped in?

Higher Well, so you've got you've got, I mean the one the it's it's very formal, you know, you've got it looks like a police chief.

It's the Salvation Army, Yeah, sir.

And then you've got like a lady who looks dressed like Jackie O standing next to probably Jerry Jones, probably probably, And Jerry Jones is there and they're putting money in the Salvation Army bucket, which.

By the way, that tradition is gone.

The Salvation Army, to my knowledge, is not affiliated with the NFL anymore.

Oh okay, I thought you're gonna say that they don't collect anymore.

I saw them today.

No, they do.

They the NFL probably wanted too much of it.

Well, the implication by you know Greg Gumbles, the late Greg Gumbles intro there is that the tradition is connected with the Salvation Army.

I'm here to tell you that's out the window.

It costs too much every year to make a new city design for the buckets.

Well, yes, that there's that.

They were probably upset that two whores and red body suits came out and obscured the bucket.

But it's already already we're getting.

Yeah, it was this sort of like it was a charity based you know, thing going on, and then all of a sudden, it's just like full blown, full blown time show has has intruded.

It's not like they.

Cut away to a different camera and there and there are the people dancing in the music.

It's they just straight up ambush ambush.

Yeah, this is probably why the tradition ended.

The Salvation Army was like, we're not putting up with this anymore.

We're out it is funny though, command.

More respect plus and then there's a piped in version of the song, the song Higher, which you know they're gonna play later.

Why why is this happening?

It's very strange, already amazing, already just disastrous.

All right, and brings those who are in need those Halloway season at a time when giving and sharing will make all of us feel.

Like, Okay, now I get it.

It's like the the implication was well, maybe not the implication, but so they were out of the shot on stage leading off with Higher.

Okay makes a little more sense.

But it makes a little more sense, but it is before.

You see it.

It's a disconnect.

It did seem like there was something wrong with the timing though, because it kind of faded in Yeah, and it wasn't like here comes Creed one two.

Nobody said Creed like here they are.

It's just like they're just there.

Did they say Creed it all?

Back it up?

I don't think so, back it up because you also see that there's singing and Scott's Stapp is not.

Singing when you first see him in the shot.

It really does not look like he's.

Move it up to when the horrors come into the screen the horrors which ones know, there you go, it'll work, Okay, demand the Salvation Army.

We want to open your hearts and it brings those who are in need those halloway set time when giving sharing.

He wasn't singing, No, he wasn't singing.

And plus that narration shouldn't be overlapping with the vocal.

No, so I think so that's broadcasting one on one.

You know, you ramp it up to the vocal and stuff.

Yeah, that's that's old.

Uh you know rock radio, pop radio, Yeah, sure you sure you can talk right up until the opening lyric.

Sure, and something else?

Uh, rock radio or entertainment one on one.

Introduce the talent.

Yeah, no mention of creed, not at all.

And yeah, the high ranking Salvation Army official is wants to be on camera putting money into the bucket.

And these two bimbos come swishing into the screen and obscure the.

Whole very strange, and then they had to walk away kind of around the dancers.

The dancers are there for the whole show.

Yeah, oh yeah, they're like, all right, we got to go, but we got to like kind of get around you some real mind field to get outs that look.

So I wanted to talk about Scott STAPs vocals a little bit because I think, I think it's a polarizing style, but it was.

It was a style that I want to say, I mean, it probably goes back further, but I'm gonna say, Okay, you have Eddie Vedder and that kind of.

Led to.

Scott's Stap style vocal, which I think you've got offshoots of it like you've got like we talked about Chad Kroger last week.

I think his is more forceful, but it is I think, yeah, there's I don't know what you I don't know what you call that style of vocal, but I want to say, I mean it Eddie Vedder, probably someone before him, but I would say he's He's what I would say is the origin of that style of singing.

M hmm.

Yeah, I used to in a rock context like this.

I can't really pinpoint where his who would have influenced him in terms of his vocal delivery.

But yeah, I can't.

I can't think of anybody further back than him, But I don't know, there's something there's always there's something about that style of singing that seems inhibited to me, like it's not a full throated kind of a thing, Like physically it's inhibited.

But as we heard last week, you can still get some powerful singers doing this stuff of vocal which I think that the version of Careless Whisper that we heard last week, there were there were some like legit powerful vocal moments in it, even though it's in this sort of like I guess we'll call it post grunge singing style.

Yeah, it's just it's it's very interesting to me because it seems like it seems like they're holding back when they're singing like this, but then some of the guys are really pushing it out there.

So I don't I can't make heads or tails out of what's going on in this style of music.

Yeah, I can tell you one thing.

I did not like this at the time, and I hated that sound, that vocal sound that people were doing.

I mean it was everywhere.

It's one of those things where, like any anything that was popular, like you hear people talk about disco in the late seventies, it's like, oh, just done to death and just uh diminishing returns with everything.

And I'd have a hard time naming a whole bunch of people who did it.

But I felt like if you'd go see live bands, like smaller bands that were trying something out, a lot of the guys were trying to do that.

Oh yeah, yeah, so sure.

I think I was like a like like a lot of people who were doing like it.

Chris's Cafe around this time, a lot of people doing open mics with just an acoustic guitar going up there doing Yeah, they would be this.

I mean, you know, that's that's just how it is right in music and really anything, if it's popular, there's gonna be a lot of emulators, and yes, it's going to inspire people, and that's what they're gonna want to do.

Wicked Leicester sixty eight said it's like singing on the initial effect of valium.

I'm gonna have to take your word for it, apparently, tell you once.

You take it.

And even though the comparison of lumping them in with the quote unquote grunge bands we've talked about, this was inaccurate.

Early Scott Wiland was in this wheel as well.

True.

Yeah, so that was the other big one.

I mean, it was either people emulating Vetter or as another guy we talked about last week, the the West Scantlons of the world who were mimicking Kobain.

It was one of the two.

Nobody dared attempt to mimic Lane Stalei or Chris Cornell, because that would have required some serious talent and power, but to emulate the other two seemed to be the lower hanging fruit.

But since you bring up Lane Staley, I mean, very powerful voice for sure, but got into that he would get into that territory.

Yeah, no, a little bit sure, but he proceeded Eddie Vedder in terms of not in terms of like how they came on them, well a little bit in terms of as farming on the public consciousness.

Yeah, and it might have been a regional thing, and it was a regional thing, but in terms of how it influenced the vocal stylings of these guys who knows.

Yeah, but it's I mean, here we are, like ten years after all that stuff came out initially, and you've got post grunge, which is the nicer way of saying it, And what's the less nice I mean, yes, I just wanted to say.

Butt Rock please, thank you so, and butt Rock is still the thing nowadays, twenty four years, after ten years after what we were, what where it originated, It's still the thing.

It's lasted way longer than what influenced it.

That's interesting.

Yeah, that is true.

Wow, it is still the go to I guess active rock is what they are, hard rock.

It's absolutely thirty five years down the line, it's still in vogue and grunge.

Is not thirty five years of butt.

All right, but yeah, you know the the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders have entered the arena.

Yeah, so I mean it's it's becoming the Macy's Parade at this point.

Yeah, it's not quite there yet, but it's yeah, I mean it's getting there though, And it's always uncomfortable.

You always feel uncomfortable for the performers, the musical artists.

But they know what they signed up or and they know how, you know, how these things work.

They do, but it just watching it at home, you're always like, I wonder, how how is that?

When this is probably with like dancing, cheerleaders and all this stuff going on around you, This is probably not your ideal setting for expressing your art, but yeah, but it is also probably your biggest audience.

It's that too.

Well.

They also they played Woodstock ninety nine and so yeah, sure is a big I mean that's a big more of a rock and roll I mean as far as that, Yeah, that's huge.

You know, a lot of people the audience, sure, millions, a.

Lot of people watching that had no idea who they were, and this was their first.

Explodetion certainly didn't because they weren't introduced this.

Even at the end of it, they didn't know.

The house band thought they were Salvation Army Bad.

I thought Paul Schaeffer was in there somewhere, some band thrown together.

Okay, let's continue.

There's a longer, long and from the life when.

I am all way.

Nick so excited it's about to happen.

Look at staff right there, Nick says it all Nick had a genuine sigh.

I looked over, I looked over at Andy.

I'm like, this is this is this?

This is it happens early?

Huh.

Yeah, this is the clip I ever wound it because this is like the section that you see on Instagram or reels or whatever.

Yeah, this is the part that's chopped out that it's probably the reason we're doing this.

Yeah, So yeah, and when I when you see it out of context, you you at least I did, because again I had zero recollection of seeing it in sequence and seeing the whole thing as we're watching it now.

But you you just assume what we're about to see here happened towards the end of the I thought so too.

Yeah, it's like, how do you follow?

Yes, we're about to see.

It's a seven minute video and it's fifty six seconds and it's already happening.

Yeah, it's me skill, it's there, you know.

Now the guy, the bald guy flying through the air and the sill some sort of silk.

Yeah thing, that's like.

An amazing physical feat to be sure.

But but this all of a sudden, this one guy flying hovering over the ground and then they show Stap and STEP's got such a like triumphant rock and roll reaction.

It's thrusting, it's a like turning his head to the site.

It's a wonderful, wonderful uh one tu punch right there.

Yeah, that props to the director who is doing the camera cuts.

Yes, then that guy got it right.

In terms of whoever was doing the sequencing at the beginning, they fucked it up, but the director righted the sh.

Now, I think an Emmy award is in order, like a not a postume whatever you would call it, like a retroactive, a redaction and an award.

Yeah, whoever got it that year take it away.

But you know what else is funny When they show that bald guy at first with the you know he's flying, he almost looks a little confused.

He's looking backwards kind of like, have you got me?

Yeah?

Is there a support cable on me?

Because this is I'm literally flying on a fucking piece of silk.

I'm going like thirty five here, yeah, and I'm starting to rise up above the playing surface.

Did you connect to the support?

And this doesn't look like a guy you want to upset?

No, he doesn't to be able to do that.

Yeah, he has to be a physical specimen.

Yeah, Jackie said, he's mining the vocals harder than that, truly?

Are I noticed that he's so fired up, he's even more and it only makes it better Jackie.

Yeah, again, this is full full blown Scott Scott stap meglomania here.

Nothing is this is holding him back?

I dare say this is exactly what we want from a performance like this.

I won't disagree.

We probably didn't know we wanted it, but this is exactly what I want.

In the modern vernacular.

They understood the assignment and then he scaped stap did he came to play and he came to perform.

That bald guy's wearing Ozzie's pants from Speak at the Devil red and blue pants.

You're right, look at that.

And wasn't Asie bald then too?

That's we have a Speak at the Speak of the double era Ozsie impersonator floating through the air.

I don't and I don't see any support cable.

Those guys are flying through the air on this fucking fabric.

He had it wrapped around his arms and he was just supporting him.

I mean, that's pretty amazing.

It is.

That's risky, is what it is.

And it's amazing that they pulled it off.

He left it all on the field man.

Yeah.

And the other guy with the longer hair doing the same thing on the other side of the field.

He get he gets less credit retroactive.

But he's not as visually striking as this guy.

I mean, when you come out with the Speak of the Devil, Azzie meets Yule Brenner the King and I nobody is stealing your thunder visually after.

That kind of like David Draymond's peak potentially peak physical condition that he would look like this guy.

Yeah yeah, okay, hey, well they've that seems to have run its course, so let's see what the rest to this performance has its store.

There's your first Clutton the medley.

Yeah, one thing.

I didn't want to stop it there, but I felt like I had to because I think I doubt we'll ever do a whole episode on Higher, but who knows if we will.

We have to acknowledge that banning, and that's that's that's a hook.

That's a huge hook.

It is it is the hook.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you can't.

You can't think of this song or even sing the chorus without like doing a vocal simulation of that, you know, and uh you know it's credit.

Yeah, that's whether it was his idea or the production decision to throw that in.

But yeah, that's would take that out and the song is much less impactful.

True.

Our expert Tom Howell also said these songs in this mentley don't really do Mark Tremonti justice, but Creed breaking up was a lucky break for him.

He was unleashed after that, I don't really know.

I mean with age and with his Christmas albums yeah, which he's.

Solo band Tremont, which got even further into that old territory.

Yeah.

Excellent, excellent musician for sure.

Plus in this incarnation he was he was wearing the landing strips Soul Payah all the way to the chin.

He probably worn by most of these cheerleaders below the waist as well around this time.

I love how i'd stap is now.

I don't know that there's any crowd behind him, but he's he's so fired up that he's pumping his arms up and.

Facing he's getting ready to move into my sacrifice.

He's so fired up, it's great.

Yeah, this is the this is the big hit from the album that came out to two days earlier.

Yeah, he did a big fist pump right on that change and the absolute he's selling it.

Yeah.

And also I just realized this now, but have you guys ever thought that Mark Tremani, at least in this time period, looked like that guy whose name I didn't know, but I had to look it up.

D trich Bader anyway.

Huh, it's got a similar look to him.

He was on the Drew Carrey.

Yeah, he was Jethrow the Beverly Hillbillies remake.

Yeah, he reminds me of him.

Huh.

I could see that facially.

Sure, Yeah, all right, I rewound it so we can get that transition again.

Mostly for the fist pump.

Yeah.

Oh it's great.

Fired up as ran into one.

Of those year later, he's yelling at the drummer in a good way.

I think that's a move that.

I think it gets underutilized nowadays, the interactions with the drummer because the drummer stationary.

Yeah, I'm sure it still happens quite a bit, but like the just the big rock stars, I don't know how often you see that anymore.

Going over there and talking ship to the new basically could be anyone, Yeah, except for the keyboard player.

Right.

Well, in this instance, she looks like he went over there and just gave him a fuck.

Yeah most likely, sure, like this is awesome, yelling drummer doesn't care at all, he's busy.

I'm sure drummer was all smiles, was he?

Yeah he was, that's gonna say.

I feel like he I didn't even look.

But I'm assuming he's listening to some kind of click if Scott's vocals, so he's probably concentrating.

Scott's having the time of his life.

They had a moment.

Yeah, they did, just two polar different experiences probably.

Yeah, like one guy's working, the other guys can do.

Whatever the fuck he wants.

Yeah, gets to wear the Cowboys jersey, you know.

And honestly Bledsoe and it was well number eleven.

I don't even this is no, this was the season.

This was actually the season when Drew Bledsoe took one in the fucking sternum and opened the way for Tom Brady to take so Bledsoe had not moved over to the Cowboys, but when he did, he was number eleven.

I think he was always number eleven on New England.

Okay, but anyway, well, I want to see where this goes.

We're gonna see here we go.

Sorry, just look like the guy was tangled.

Yeah, but I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing.

Yeah, but it's just so bizarre, such a bizarre circ desole a thing to drop into the middle of the setting.

And I don't see any trusses.

This ship has got to be suspended from the fucking roof.

For the state.

Yeah, how is there not a weak piece?

You know in that long run of fabric they type bed sheets together like you're breaking out of prison.

How do they do this?

The urinate on them like in rush hours to break the bars.

Yeah, you're right, you know, I don't see a number eleven on the two thousand and one roster.

Well they got me.

Wonder Scott Stapton might have been.

Did he have a custom first round pick?

He might have had a custom jersey made.

He might have been legit third string quarterback.

His name on it.

Oh it did.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

Okay, he might They probably took an available number, and so again even better is prime Meglomania.

He's like, I want my name.

On the jersey and I didn't even see that.

I was just assuming it was the starting quarterback or whatever entirely possible.

He's on the roster during this game.

It was a requirement.

Yeah, one day that I play, I play, but I'm on the roster.

He was the long snapper for the Thanksgiving game.

Okay, let's continue.

Boy, these guys in all black, why why do they need to.

Be guys just completely concealed faces, completely concealed.

It's such a bizarre.

We're gonna see it, you know.

I complain every year I sit there and I watch the like Macy's Thanksgiving Parade and the WGN Chicago one.

I'll flip back and forth.

For some reason, I enjoy it, but I complain the whole time too.

I thought, how I don't like any of it is, and it's going to be stuff like this that I'm going to complain about.

Yeah, but I love it, but I love it anyway.

I love it anyway.

I there's stuff I just can't stand, but I can.

Yeah.

You know this reminds me of an Olympic opening or closing ceremony.

Yeah, they do all the it's all strange court just artistic choreography.

Yah, they let all the artsy weirdo.

It was the same Wheelhouse halftime shows, Olympic ceremonies, parades.

Yeah, there's just something, some something different going on in those things.

Yeah.

It just seems like this one's a little off for some reason.

Not bad.

It's actually more enjoyable.

But I don't know if it's just because maybe they're only occupying one part of the field instead of when you watch those ceremonies where.

It's it's just it's jarring to see just a rock band doing a rock band thing and then seeing this as seing it cut completely to that.

It's just it's weird.

And it also might be because it's the daytime too, because a lot of those things are it's it's lit mood, like mood lighting to accommodation.

It's gonna look it's gonna look clumsier.

Maybe clumsy is not the right word, but it's going to look more awkward in the daytime kind of You saw the smoke kind of wafting when they would show the far away shots.

Reminded me of something I heard Henry Rollins say one time.

He was talking about seeing Marilyn Manson show in the daytime at like a festival and they had a lot of smoke and you know, stuff going off like that Pyro whatever, and he said it looked like a bunch of zombies having a cookout because it's the middle of the day, sunny out, and you just see like smoke just kind of wafting up into the air and it's a lot more noticeable.

Yeah, it's just not the right setting for.

Yeah, just when they pan out to the wide shot.

Just just every corner there's just some weird group giration.

Yeah, it's bizarre man.

And then there's another bald guy.

Yeah, different one.

Now, who's are they going to fight each other?

They are?

They kind of have to write, yeah, they go, I mean there can be only one, right you think?

So, Yeah, one's got red pants, one's got blue pants.

Yeah, I mean it's like medieval times, Like, what section are you sitting in?

Yeah, you're gonna root for the blue.

Look at the way the blue.

The guy in the blue is standing there looking at him.

He's not happy.

No, this is like, this is this is my show.

I think.

I think the understudy is stepped in and taking over.

It's like when an outside cat wanders and her yard.

Yeah, the cat goes bananas in the house.

Who is this new jack?

His tail's puffed up.

Okay, I'm gonna I'm I don't know how I'm guessing someone can use AI to make this happen.

I'd love to see the guy in the blue preferably, I'd love to see Mortal Kombat like the video game and have this guy be one.

Of the characters.

Have these two guys fight.

Yeah, yeah, either these two guys are just the guy in the blue fighting one of the regular characters.

Okay, likes this guy should be a Mortal Kombat character.

He looks like he's built like it, he's dressed like it.

Everything about him.

I mean, look at he's got a he's staring a hole through this other guy.

Look at that.

Yeah, he's clear this low resolution, you can tell it's clearly the boss of this performance.

He is.

Yeah, he thought he was the second guy in the red pen.

He's showing him up.

I mean, I think that might be the guy in the blue sheet.

He's like, are you using my sheet?

Yeah?

Where's yours?

Out of here?

All right, wait a minute.

Now they're interspersing now nine to eleven, for they are, and this is kind of a buzz kill.

I guess you know what the given the event, the timing of it, it's it was gonna happen because it's going to be a tribute to I guess what do you call it?

Emergency responders.

Yeah, but before we get too far into that, one thing about Creed musically that I could take or leave, is it the reliance on octaves playing octave lines.

Not not really my thing.

And it's like you know in in Higher you heard it, you're hearing it here.

I don't know, there's just I mean it.

They made it work for that.

It's kind of like a signature thing, not really something that I that I need in rocket in style, not too much.

I'm not a huge like octave line like some songs.

Sure, but I don't know.

I just I feel like it was I remember you saying that twenty whatever seven years ago, you didn't like that when bands were doing.

It's, yeah, just something for my taste.

It's it's not really but I but I can now looking back on it, it's like, Okay, that was part of what creed sound was so good for them, but not your thing.

Yeah, not really my thing.

Chris is beside himself at stabs commitment to d No.

It's the interspersing of this footage.

It's like, Okay, you get these guys walking through the rubble, then it's back to the show, and then it's two more people in the aftermath and back to the show, and now we got something else.

It's like, I don't know it should have just look, we all know what happened.

On nine to eleven.

We don't need to see the visual recap of it.

You shouldn't have had that footage at.

All, in my opinion.

Well, I mean at that time though, they probably would have faced huge criticism if they didn't.

What do you what do you mean huge criticism?

I think everybody would have been expecting it, or expecting some sort of acknowledgement of the first response yeah or yeah, at least that I don't know.

I well, you can't expect it for Greg Gumble, he didn't even introduce the fucking band, I guess.

But just this, this disjointed footage faded in and out as ham fisted.

The whole Yeah, the whole, the whole thing is ham fisted.

But the stabs commitment when they're showing them, I mean, for you know what we've been told, and it seems to be the case.

He's lip syncing the entire thing, but how it works.

But he looks when they just showed him, when he's holding the mic with both hands and kind of leaning back, he's completely committed to it, to making a.

Yeah.

I I am.

I'm admiring his frontman capacity.

You should and I've never I've never really explored it very much.

Yeah, never never got that into it.

But I you know, when when someone is a good front man, it's it's uh it they what they say, a drummer and bands only as good as it's a drummer.

Sure, but if you've got a singer that's a really good front man, it's fun to watch.

Then it's even so even so much more.

It elevates everything.

Well, the drummer thing is from a musical standpoint.

In terms of a performance standpoint and being interesting to watch, yes, your your front man has to be engaging, and he's nobody's ever accused him otherwise.

I mean, I think he lost it a little bit when he went down the rabbit hole of substances, But leading up to that, he was always a perfectly fine rock front man.

And by all accounts, since Creed has returned to being a performing entity, he's doing great.

He's in great shape, looks good.

That's great to hear.

It does the job.

Yeah, he just got a little too over the line with the ego and again with the substances, and it drove the band apart.

But in terms of you know, what a professional performer is supposed to do at the halftime show, he's delivering in all areas.

Yeah, and you know, this is something that's hard to say, hard to admit, but I think from doing this show, as you know, for as many years as we have, it's something that it's hard to deny that a lot of the things that I personally didn't like, I realized there's a reason that they were as successful as they were, even if it wasn't my thing.

But you know, if you don't think about it that much, you just think, oh, that's bullshit.

And these people who liked it, I don't know what they're thinking, but it's no.

You get why.

Yeah this guys like you get why certain acts even if they're not your cup of tea or whatever, like, yeah, okay, they had the tools.

Snake it exactly.

Well, first of all, they had the songs.

That's part of it.

Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not part of it, it's ninety percent.

Well, but also the charisma and yeah, they that took it over the top, and that's why they were the biggest band in the world for a year or two around this time.

Yeah, but it's at the end of the day, it came down to the songs.

Yeah, and they had it.

Yeah, they were not my thing.

But you listen and you're like, yeah, I get it.

You have to acknowledge quality at some point, and yes, you know, is this on the same level of quality as I don't know, pick somebody who's supposedly legitimate or a darling of the critics.

Is it on the same level of quality?

You know, that's up for debate.

But in terms of this genre, this is a top of the heap right here.

Well, guys, we're not even halfway into it.

I don't like it.

I do not like the the interspersion of nine to eleven footage here.

It's everybody knows what happened on nine to eleven.

Everybody knows this is a tribute to America.

You don't have to put that ship out there.

It's unnecessary, terrible.

Decision, trying too hard.

You know, it's explaining the punchline of a joke after you told it, you know, to do it, so let it go through on its own merits.

It's fucking ham fisted.

And then the fucking placement of Salvation Army logos.

It's like, terrible decision, awful, It just takes away from it, you know.

Yeah, it's like, we know it happened two and a half months prior.

It's a buzzkill to see those horrible images in this context.

So fuck the criticism.

If you were going to get the criticism, whoever produced this halftime show should be you're in that seat because you're you should be willing to take the criticism and be like, I'm not showing the footage.

Everybody's seen the footage was an awful day, worst day in American history.

We've got Creed here, the bald guys, the chicks everywhere.

We're celebrating, we're rising up.

We don't need to fade in the old footage.

And that's not Not having the footage is not an insult to those who were first responders or who perished that day.

It's you don't need to show it.

It's patronizing and that's the last thing you want to be in this situation.

It's too random.

Fireworks just shot off from the above the stage.

I mean, there's no rhyme or reason to it.

Yeah it was.

It was not when the drums, it's a it's in a fucking breakdown and the two rockets fired off just in the middle of it.

It was strange, racy.

Maps making love to the camera though it really is.

This is not just GROSSI.

A silver line.

Sometimes there'sn't enough to make someone round this song, I don't recognize.

I don't know what he had.

I don't either.

I did notice as he was walking up those stairs he eyeballed the gatorade container.

I think he was just making sure no one was gonna sneak up behind him in celebration.

Wasn't time yet, Yeah, he'd be pissed.

That, or he's a little parch give a slug off of it.

Whatever, I've been through everything, normal.

Money, that type of dancing.

I know people love it, right, so people love it, people do it?

You know what I mean that?

If I want to say, it's called lyric, is that right?

I don't know.

I don't know my dance names.

Temporary maybe, but I'm interpretive.

I don't know.

Yeah, some kind of combination of those words is used.

But a few years ago, two of my daughters were in like little Kid Ballet, and they had a show for all levels at this dance studio and like they'd come.

You know, it was at a big at the high school's auditorium, So it was in the big auditorium full of people, and it was like three hours long, and our girls did like a one minute thing each and an that was like nothing.

But in between there's like ten of these where it's a one person rolling around on the floor doing these movements to these like tender songs.

It's very weird.

And again, hey, if you love it and you're good at it or whatever it is, but I don't get it.

But that's what these two people on the stage are doing.

It reminded me of that.

Yeah, so I think this song, at least based on the lyrics, I think this song is called Don't Stop Dancing.

Okay, this is Creed, huh, they.

Would explain the dancers on the stage.

So I mean, I know it's literally Creed, but it's not a cover or something.

I've never heard.

The looks it looks like it's a yeah, okay.

Not familiar with this song.

Field stop.

You say children, don't stop dancing.

This is why I hated Creed when they were out when I was sixteen or whatever.

I'm like, I can't do this, it's too pretentious.

And this again, this is is full on Meglomania Pretention third album is out biggest band in the world and they're you know, fucking children, don't stop dancing the whole with arms wide open.

Crap.

It's just like, yeah, there's too much.

And then you have you know that you have the gospel choir coming out to take part in this.

This is just going to go into extreme levels of pretension at this pointmost.

I've got information from our expert, our expert here, what did he say?

Hold on?

Female singer is Scott Staff's sister.

Okay, they tried to get Faith Hill for the recording and ended up with her.

All right, well, I mean, mm hmmm, that's.

Whatever.

So they're Scott's sister, Okay.

I mean we've only heard a couple of notes from her so far, but.

It seems competent.

Yeah, I mean, if that's that's.

Pure nepotism some some you know, some talent here.

I think we haven't heard anymore of it, but we are about to.

Nick No, I mean, we haven't heard much, but heard almost Come on, look at that the hand things, the.

Way his mouth, the way he says children, and the way his face was.

That's the most outrageous, Like Chris said, uh, pretentious, megalomaniac, delivery of one word that I've ever heard.

Yeah, you're right, let's.

See it again.

Oh yeah, that was.

I can't handle it.

Okay, there's some bulking of you know, children and Unite the World and stuff, and I get it because of the events of the day.

But it's just like, give me Woodstock ninety nine before you guys get all fucking wrapped up in yourselves.

Oh stop dunes, believe.

You have all hell's breaking loose up in the sky there.

Yeah, those guys, they look like they're risking it all for this performance.

That's I mean, that's amazing stuff.

Really, I mean, what pink can do that?

Who else does that?

I don't know.

Yeah, I mean it's what's that called that circus circulate?

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what you call that, but pretty amazing physical feat.

Yeah, that's us is the old Texas Stadium before they moved into the current place.

I had that opening at the top and this I don't see any other trusses, so that those pieces of fabric have got to be coming down from the very top.

Of that, you know that or a helicopter about who knows.

Yeah, it was just wild.

I'd like to know there should be a whole documentary about that.

I was just gonna say those thirty for thirty documentaries are usually well done, and it would be a weird niche occurrence like this.

It would be huge.

People feel that it should happen.

If it hasn't, I don't think it has.

But this is perfect.

Yeah, this would be a great one.

Interview with these guys.

Oh yeah, nowadays.

Delivery of fly is excellent too.

Six seven syllables or fly.

H my hide.

Ship?

Oh we hide is that they're releasing they did?

Oh wow, that's it.

I don't think I've ever watched the full halftime No, I definitely only seen bits and pieces and it was well worth it.

Wow, it's a lot to take in.

I didn't know they released a dove at the end.

And actually that part came off way less hokey than I thought it was going to.

When I saw the dove flyaway, the camera followed it pretty nicely.

Yeah, that dove was a performance.

That dove.

The dove was a pro.

Yeah, yeah, lucky there of course there's a dove though after all that Yeah yeah, yeah needed the symbolism of the dove, all right.

Yeah, I mean that way more appropriate than just those those token inclusions of nine to eleven footage that was terrible if you if you took that out, nobody would have the sized it and you wouldn't have missed it.

Yeah, well we have to vote Nick first.

Yeah, I'll go first.

This is this is high entertainment here.

This is a sweet surrender for sure.

Well, yeah, you know that being said I did mention earlier, I'll kind of recap it.

I guess I found Creed to not be you know, to my taste, to my liking, I've become They've become a bit more endeared to me just in recent years.

Still not like I love I love Creed, you know, it's not like at that point or anything like that, but I can appreciate them now more than I did then, which was not much, to be perfectly honest.

But on now on the actual task at hand, this, this halftime performance was incredible from an entertainment standpoint, just so much going on, great charisma, and then it would cut to something that's like what is happening?

And that's a great, a great recipe for just sitting back and enjoying something.

Yeah, and you know, musically, I can't say anything bad about it.

There's certain little things here and there, like I mentioned, like the maybe overuse of the octave guitar lines.

Tom's lucky he didn't come today.

He'd be upset with you for saying that.

Sorry, Tom, Yeah, he would have.

He would have expressed his outrage and in two separate notes being exactly one octave apart.

But no, that's just you know, minor stuff, or it's just not my thing.

But I can't really argue with it.

A whole lot people loved it.

You could tell they were going for a big moment here.

Whether they achieved it or not in a serious way that they intended it, I don't know.

But it's highly entertaining and I get in in all sincerity.

I get what they were what they were saying, And yes, it was you know, the country was still reeling from, you know, a severe tragedy that happened, so it makes sense that they were trying to do something uplifting, you know.

And they had the dove flyaway, they had the guys flying up in the air on the on the bed sheets or whatever.

Yeah, so it's there is there's just so much.

It's one of those things where you just you look back, and you can't just say one thing about it.

There's so much And that's what I appreciate about it.

It's not just the hilarious shot of when the bald guy comes flying by.

There's a lot more to it, so definitely appreciate it.

But when it is just that bald guy, it's it's more one dimensional at that point.

But seeing the whole thing, are we sure that's a dove seagull?

Don't?

I don't know.

They put a white bird?

Who knows?

I yeah, but I mean, ultimately it doesn't matter what it is.

But it looks like maybe it's a hawk or something, one of those a falcon of sorts.

Going back to medieval times again.

Yeah, maybe it's just a seagull.

And they put a French fry on the roof and they said go up there, all right.

Throw a penguin in the air.

Didn't work, Chris, what are you going to do here?

I'm gonna kick it.

I'm gonna kick it one hundred percent because the inclusion of those nine to eleven scenes patronizing in the absolutely wrong way, unnecessary, out of place in terms of what they're trying to capture for entertainment.

Purposes and just unnecessary and quite frankly a little offensive from the guy who made a joke about it earlier that you know, this is why people attack America, because they do these things.

But yeah, that's another reason.

It's just like patronizing using that footage, and that's the kind of footage you do not want to use for that purpose other than that, you know, hugely entertaining from a just a campiness standpoint and just a completely over the top absolutely, but and mainly I don't want to go to the next round of voting, So that's another fair motivation.

But but yeah, I just.

I was.

I was into it.

I was it was I was amused by it.

I was enjoying it.

And then they fucking come in with the people wading through the rubble of nine to eleven.

We didn't need to see that.

We saw that already, we didn't need to see that.

This context fair all right, I'm gonna give it a sweet surrender.

Hell yeah, all fair points by Chris.

But I just enjoy the first half of this so much that it carries the rest of it for me, and I get it.

And again, I'm I was not a Creed fan.

I would have probably hated this if I watched it live.

Of time has passed, I'm not a Creed fan now, but I understand again why they were as big as they were.

Not my thing, and that's all right.

But also I found this just to be, like we said, highly entertaining, enjoyable.

It's more of the subtle tease to it, like how over hype Scott Staff is the bizarre artistic dancing that they're cutting to the obviously, the bald guy flying through the airs what elevated it to even become.

I mean, that's a conversation piece.

That's why it's shared and talked about.

As much as the elevator.

The bald guy in the silk shit flying around the arena is the little guitar hook in high er.

Without it, it doesn't have the same impact.

No, No, people aren't talking about those two things are one and the same.

Bald guy and the are the same thing.

He's the personification is that, yes, And you take those things out, it's not meme worthy.

I mean, yeah, you can mock Staff a little bit.

Maybe you put him in the uh you know the memes about you know, I'm eight.

Uh.

Margaritaes in at apple because when this, you know, the karaoke that which I like, but this the guy in the silk things flying through the air, that's what makes it meme worthy.

And then the hip thrust and from the.

Staff right after that, that right there, that's the moment.

That's it.

And that credit to the producer and the director who is making those camera cuts.

He made that happen.

They got it.

And then and that's all you need of showing the bald guy over and over to two people that he reminds me of who he reminds me of the singer of Live and a young someone.

I brought it before Henry Rollins when he and he.

Had like the shaved head look yeah, the early black flag.

Yeah yeah, shaved head.

Looks like he's got a tattoo on his chest too.

That might be Henry Rollins.

More.

I'm getting more Yule Brinner King and I vibes from this guy.

Yeah yeah with the baggy pants.

Yeah that's the best.

I'm just looking at it again, enjoying it.

Yeah that went stepped.

Did he put the cherry on top of that moment?

He absolutely did?

Here comes again like it's like, what's happening?

And then it's like, and what's happening.

Is growing into the camera.

Yeah, and you know, in the hands of a lesser director, you don't see that.

Yeah, that's it.

You know, the whole thing gets missed.

The director isn't on top of it.

You're correct.

I also kind of feel like maybe it was luck because as we went through the thing, there's shots of people who aren't doing anything.

I think that's just gonna happen.

The bald guy, they're setting up something, they're gonna be doing doing it yet, right, So I think he just yeah with an event.

That was the first instance where the bald guy was levitating.

To cut off of that took a high level of professionalism.

You're right, nailed for a fucking slack jaw clowns like us, we would have never cut off that left it on that for the next six minutes part of the third quarter exactly.

We have seen the guy walking back through the tunnel.

Yeah, jeez, well, I don't know what to tell ya.

Fantastic.

If you disagree with us, We're sorry that it is Happy Thanksgiving.

We'll see who's going to perform this year.

Do you know Chris Jack Whittt is doing that's right, just announced that apparently eminem and his team have taken over leadership of the Thanksgiving halftime shows in Detroit for the next several years with Jack.

Why that's a good Yeah, I haven't seen.

Now they have three games on, so I haven't seen who's doing the other ones.

But yeah, I wonder if they're regional or whatever.

Probably who knows.

Alright, quick Google?

Well you know what, though, I know you said Happy Thanksgiving.

Sounded like you were going to end the show.

I was going home?

Should I not?

Can you give me a couple of minutes here?

Sure?

Quick commercial break, We'll be right back with everybody's favorite segment.

Oh ship, I missed my line.

I was looking up at the started over.

I don't miss my line.

Before you get into it, I'm gonna answer your question.

Jack White will perform at the Detroit Lions game, post malone at the Dallas Cowboys game, which also marks the start of the Salvation Army's Red Kettle campaign.

Still, I was completely wrong.

Apparently I just never noticed that.

And Lil John will close the day at the Baltimore Ravens game.

There you go, now, then, I'm focused.

I'm ready to hit my line.

The jokes, the jokes come out.

That feels right, Yeah, and now I say an how we're there?

Speaking of which, as I told you earlier, Nick, I have one.

I love it.

So should I lead off or should I follow your barrage?

You've got like five or six.

I'm kind of like five of them.

I could potentially tell if things things go well, if the tomatoes don't hit me anywhere.

Well, it's your segment, So you tell me.

You know where I could sprinkle it.

In the middle.

What about I could tell like two of them here?

Then do you want?

You're in charge?

Okay?

All right?

So it's going to be very important at the gathering that you're going to be at.

I'm talking to you the listener, very important that you'd be charming this week, especially if you're not hosting.

You got to bring something with you.

Bring these jokes.

We're gonna start off start off light here, light and predictable, possibly the gobbleig colored.

Do you want to ease in?

So we're going to ease in with this one.

How do you unlock a door at the butterball factory?

I don't know.

You use a turkey?

She says, sorry, Paul, come on, Paul, give me a break, Give me a break.

Here's something.

Here's actually one my seven year old helped me with.

I said randomly, I said, hey, think of a joke for Thanksgiving.

And he's pretty clever.

So he came up with it.

And we kind of went back and forth a couple of times, and this is what we weaked it up.

We yeah, we bounced it off each other, and this is what we came up with.

What kind of car do Turkey's drive?

What kind of car do turkeys drive?

Know?

I don't know Turkey would joy have a Lamberg gravy Litz?

Get it y'all?

All right, Chris, I don't know if you want to from you from your life preserver here?

Well, I don't know if this is that, But I have a joke, readie.

Do you want me to tell it now?

I will sure.

Why was the outspoken uncle banished from the Thanksgiving family gathering?

Outspoken uncle banished?

Banished from the family gathering on Thanksgiving?

I don't know.

He wouldn't stop yammering about politics.

What's wrong with you?

Now?

I realized I went back to yam centric jokes.

But I feel like you can't have enough of that noiving.

No, totally lost.

Not everybody.

We'll probably hear the first one.

People arrive late, exactly.

I think.

I think the Los Angeles Yams got lost in the Houston fixes.

So I felt I could go back to that well.

And like I said, you can't have too many Yam centric jokes.

I thanks, Yeah, one more, Nick, I got two more.

I'm just gonna end with.

Yeah, I'm gonna save that one for the end, the one that I told Chris about earlier.

That might be the dumbest thing ever, but I couldn't laughing.

But before we get to that, what's a Pilgrim's favorite radio station?

Pilgrim?

What's Pilgrim's favorite radio station?

When they.

You know they're working, they're kicking back, driving, I don't know, riving, sailing over a sailing, I don't know Pilgrim's favorite radio station?

Of course, Plymouth Rock AM sixteen twenty.

Apparently the Mayflower also banned bluetooth speakers, too much distraction for people.

Jackie answered, Plymouth Rock.

Oh, Jackie wins.

I don't know what she wins, but she wins.

Tell that one at your family gathering, by Jackie.

Think you got about twenty seconds Okay, what media personality hosted the only Thanksgiving Day parade to take place in a now lost American colony.

We're looking for a media personality hosted a Thanksgiving Day parade in a now lost American colony.

I don't know, none other than Al Roanoker.

All right?

Does that the one Annie?

He told you?

Not?

There's actually another one.

She told me that you have to tell that.

I don't know.

His wife forbade him from telling me.

He said, you don't want to bring that up on the show.

I said, Oh, well, Chris has to get me in the mood again.

Here the jokes come up.

With stapp esque charisma.

Exactly thrust my hips forward.

All Right, I guess I'm going to do it.

Do it?

You have to do it now.

What is the name of the Turkey who is best known for his anti Thanksgiving propaganda?

Oh, it's the name of a Turkey anti Thanksgiving, best known for his anti Thanksgiving propaganda.

I shouldn't even tell it.

It's too late.

You have to No, I don't have an answer.

I don't either, Okay, turkey best known for his anti Thanksgiving propaganda, Joseph Gobbles.

Is it my fault?

His is the only name that works with the word gobble.

It's not your fault.

No, people don't know who George Goebel is.

I can't make a joke about him.

You're right, don't tell that one.

Keep that one to the grown ups table or not at all.

Yeah, less you'd be accused of yammering on about politics.

Well that's gonna do it for Thanksgiving jokes for this year, wonderful.

There'll be any Christmas jokes?

Oh boy, I don't know.

I don't want to put pressure on.

You Christmas hanaka Joe.

We'll see if the jokes come out.

Yeah, soaks give me ones of jokes.

Maybe, I don't.

I don't know.

We'll see.

I guess I don't know if he knows what's gonna come up.

Yeah, all right, Well, thank you for listening.

I hope you enjoyed your time with us.

I hope.

So if you didn't like the Creed experience, make sure you watch the video.

I feel like you'll appreciate it more.

Probably loved it.

What am I talking about?

Yeah, you've probably seen it already.

Of course I'd never seen the whole thing.

Maybe not the whole thing, but you've seen the bald guy most likely.

Yeah, I forgot it.

I definitely would have remembered that Don't Stop Dancing.

You know how awful that song is, Jackie pointed out how bad it is, a one hundred percent agreement with her.

Yeah, all right, Well, we'll be back next week with more pot of Thunder, Bye.

Bye potatoes, and potato waffle.

Pies, all the rice five legitimate Thanksgiving sides mentioned in the clip.

That's all right,