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I got a special guess in the building.

Man who took on the system head on.

Man, A father, a husband, a man of faith, a voice behind the movement, the child supported from my dollar now TJ tillmy.

How you doing, king man?

I'm blessed to be here, man.

I'm great man.

I'm happy that you're on it.

King Man, it's I'm blessed to be here.

Like this is something I've been one for a while because you talk to the people facts.

You know what I'm saying.

So it's like I'm being very strategic about where I put my voice and you talk directly to the people that I need to get to.

Naw, that's dope.

Whould I like to check check on out against mental when they first get here, like where you're mentally at right now?

I'm in a great space man, Like people just always asking me like, well, you know you're going to gets the system.

You ain't worried about what's gonna happen, and you can walk out the dell and get hit by a car like my For me, I'm blessed man.

I'm just doing whatever wherever God leaves me.

That's what I'm doing.

Facts.

I agree with that before we get started on a lot of legal shit, I want to go, like, figure out who you are, who you are before out.

Is okay for me.

I grew up in Compton, California, graduated from Compton High School.

Typical.

You know.

My father passed away when I was seven, he had leukemia.

Was raised by my grandmother and my mother.

You know, at Compton, it was it was good as kids, and you know, once we got into the teenage years, that's when things start to change, you know, dealing with the gangs and things of that nature.

And it's just not something that I like to promote.

But these are just the facts, like being in Compton, Like I was shot at five times before I turned eighteen years old, just based on the street that I lived on.

I'm a child.

I can't move nowhere.

This is just where I live.

Not now you had done this environment.

It's just from the environment.

So like it's I have a different perspective on this whole Internet thing.

It's like people, you know, people in the comments want to say this, Bro, I didne did this in the streets for real, Like I ain't.

I ain't finna be on these people internet arguing with nobody.

So yeah, Like for me as a person, like you said, I'm a business owner, I've been in business entrepreneur.

So that's that's what I was doing before all of this.

So when did When was it when your mind shot shift?

Like, man, I got to get out the hood and do some different shit.

When I got sold custody on my daughter, like that that changed, Like I was forced into it because her mother got into some situations.

Now she with me, she five years old.

It's like I gotta I gotta do everything.

I gotta comb her hair, I gotta get her to school.

It's like I gotta do what I gotta do.

So like at that point, that's when things started changing for me.

I left the streets alone and you know, start got a job and start working and things of that nature.

But that's that was the turning point for me.

Seemed like faith was a big party of story, right because I read by your well, how does your fath guide you.

Through this shit?

Bro?

When you talk about faith?

Like literate bro.

The first time I was shot at I was thirteen years old, Bro, like everybody around bullets is hitting in the car.

That's like, you don't go through those situations without being touched by God.

Fact, you know what.

I'm saying, Like walking home from school, I got my backpack, dudes hop out the car and just you know what I'm saying, You don't get that and not get touched a.

Black colors, but just about being wrong with abd.

Yeah, just anybody colors like race colors because you know at that time the gangs, it was the crips on the crips, and then it was the Hispanics on the blacks.

So it was a whole lot going on during that time.

So like, man like, all you can do is stay preyed up and just try to stay on the straight and narrow, because once you come from the hood, Bro, you know what that leads you to.

You know what I'm saying, All of my friends just now coming home, if they ain't dead, they just now coming home from twenty years ago, you know what I'm saying, Like no real talk.

Like if I turn my phone, I'm probably gonna get a call from one of my boys.

He finish be coming home after twenty years in the next two months.

So it just like my real friends is just now coming home that been gone for twenty some years.

So like that's where it's like knowing where you've been and where I'm headed to now it's like, brouh, that don't happen without guy.

So your daughter change you say, your daughter changed it for you, like for you not to get caught up in the street.

Yeah, most definitely, Like man, I walked bruh.

It was so bad, Like the police would pull up literally they pulled up in front of my spot, asking me te the house business today, and I'm like, what do you mean.

He's like, bro, don't antagonize me like you house business man.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Two weeks later, the police pulled me over.

I ain't get nothing.

They see me leaving the house.

They pulled me over, said, man, we seen you pull it driving out, Like let go tej.

Let's pull them over and see what he got.

Can we search the car?

You ain't did nothing, Gonna have to go ahead and search the car, the black police officer tell the white dude.

Searched the car and he pulled me to the side He's like, brouh, we on you.

I'm gonna tell you right now.

You number three on our lists.

He told me who number one was, he told me who number two was.

And after we get them, were coming to get you from that planet.

I said, bro, I gotta I got to walk out everything I had, got rid of it, never touched it ever again.

I know.

Shit got hard though, like trying to a transition, how you keep it going back to it?

Bruh.

I got full custody at my daughter.

Now, oh y, yeah, at this point, so I wasn't I ain't got no job, no nothing.

So when she came with me, her mother was receiving the cache, the medicaid, the food stamps, so that transferred over to me.

So that helped me get by.

And then luckily I had applied for Section eight eight years prior to that, and that shit just hit at the right time.

So now it's like, okay, I got a space to live.

My rent was only one hundred and twelve dollars, so that's how I was able to move until I got a job and start getting myself back into where I needed to be.

And I just slowly but surely walked away from that program.

And that's the thing a lot of people don't do.

They abuse that program.

I used it, and as I got my life together, I got rid of the cache.

I was still getting the food stamps after so long, I got rid of the fool stamps.

When I'm doing so good.

Now I'm doing so well.

Twere it's like I'm still on section eight.

I'm like, bruh, I ain't they gonna catch me.

I gotta walk away from it.

The people at section eight they like, are you sure you want to give it up?

Because once you give it up, you ain't getting it back.

I'm like, nah, I'm good.

So I slowly walked away from the program and I ain't never looked back.

Man.

You So, what's the difference this off topic, what's the difference between the LA streets and now?

And then?

That's a good question.

Now and then then it was more structure.

It was still more so like the the OG's like the tears.

It's like the ogs, you know, ran the block and they told you it's like, man, now you got there was respect right now them young dudes, Man, I knock your noodles off right now.

And how you out here leaking like that's the difference right now.

Now there's no there's no tear system.

And not that I'm bigger than you and I can tell you what to go and do, but that's the difference.

Now.

It ain't no respect, bro, like they respect certain people.

But at the blink of an eye, you can get it too if you got it fucked up, you know what I'm saying, like for real talk.

So that's that's the difference, like right now, and then even back then too, it was more so like you will actually be into like with the crips.

You'll be into it now with more crips than actual blood, like you cool with the actual bloods.

Like the cripping blood thing in LA that ain't really a big thing.

It's more so your own people.

And that's everywhere.

It's always your own people.

You know what I'm saying, souck closer to you, brouh like I ain't.

I can't say the people that really done the worst things to me, we're the closest people to me, so that it's just it's just a cycle.

We we nah.

You're right, man, because the people you love, I said this on another podcast, people you love the most hate you the most man.

That the truth, Bro, because when they look at you, it's a reminder to them of I had the same opportunities, Like we came from the same space.

Like I called you, like, Bro, I'm finn to go to this conference you want to go.

Oh man, I gotta go.

I'm finna go over here.

And but slowly, but surely, it's it's starting to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

And it's like damn, like bro leaving, it's like, hey, I try to get you to I gotta do what I gotta do.

So you ain't never getting really getting no serious trouble before before you got out.

Nah, nah, I don't.

That's a blessing.

Yeah, And that's that's what I'm saying.

The most I did, Bro, I did thirty days and that was for driving on suspended license because of child support.

Like they hit my spot a few times, but it was by the grace of God.

Hey, let me ask you, so, you know, we think, motherfucker, when motherfucker say they're gonna represent theyself, we think you had we crazy.

So you went in there and represented yourself against them folks on your child's support case.

I didn't have no choice.

But I didn't have the money to hire an attorney.

Just give it one thousand.

If I had the money, I probably would have did it.

And I tell people one of the best blessings for me is I didn't have the money to afford an attorney, so I had to do it myself.

It was no other option.

So you didn't want to get no public feeling and just work there.

I went down that process first, but once I start talking to them, bro, they handed me a paper and they sorry, well fill this out and we can help you fill out the paperwork.

And as I'm looking at it, the questions that I can't.

I can't tell you what I want to say.

I can only check the box of what you got on this paper, and I'm like, y'are in the same building.

They already got answers to this.

I can't put nothing else.

I said, oh no, I'm not doing this.

I never fuck with that paperwork ever again.

I just start creating my own because if I only could check three boxes, they already got answers for this.

So what I'm gonna do.

So you was on child, you fighting the child'sport case for the daughter that was you cut it of another child.

Both so because when so let's just take it back with child support.

I initially got put on child support essentially for when I was twelve years old, for you twelve, because when I turned a child was conceived when I was twelve years old.

When I turned eighteen, they retroactively went back to when she because she was receiving government assistance.

So for those six years they added on the arrears.

So when I turned eighteen, they started a case and now I'm I think it was like thirteen thousand dollars and the rears at that point.

So now as I'm going on my daughter that I have her mother's receiving government assistance, So they merged the two cases together so once and then I found this out once I got sold custody of my actual daughter, So technically I was on child support for both children.

But once I got sold custody, they dropped my daughter from it and then it was just the other one.

So when you how the girl was you two years old?

You got I think she was like fourteen fifteen something like that, so she was a kid herself, and like, really, I don't even like bringing that part of it up because the court's rude that I hadn't even reached puberty to even conceive a child.

It's like he don't even he didn't even producing semen.

No, that's what I'm telling you.

The courts, there's no way that a twelve year old can have a child around to it, I mean maybe putting in the food that they're doing now nigga busting lou so so.

But even with that, that didn't have no bearings on why they dismissed the case.

Like even I was deemed the legal father.

So they have a procedure that says, if you don't respond within those six months, you're now you get a default judgment, and now you're presumed the father.

You're you're just the legal father.

But I didn't get served.

I was never served, so I never even knew about the case.

I didn't find out about the case until seven years after I was on child support.

So heldo.

She went down up or they just said it was your baby.

She got government assistance, she was getting the cachet, the food stamps and the medicaid.

But she said to you, was the fuck exactly?

Okay?

When they asked who's fuck you?

She said, you a twelve year old kid?

Yes, and then.

Fast forward eighteen you started getting the money, yes, and then when she started getting the money, they turned around.

And that's how they do That's how they do it everywhere.

She No, that's everywhere.

If you're receiving government assistants, they're coming after you for child support.

They're coming as the FuG Yes, I ain't never know.

That's how they So that's so Title four A and right now everybody's talking about these food stamps being cut off.

That comes from Title for A of the nineteen thirty five Solid Security Act.

That's the CACHEE, the Medicaid and the food stamps.

In nineteen seventy five, that's when child support started because they was giving out all this money.

But Title for A the government assistance, it's a block grant.

What is a grant alone?

Basically?

Right?

No, A grant is a gift, it's free.

A grant is a gift, it's free.

So they did this amendment in nineteen seventy five to create child support to make you pay back money that was given out for free.

How was that exactly?

So, child support aka Tie four D is the enforcement unit to make you pay back the government assistants money that's given out for free.

Damn.

So what if you ain't signed their certificate of none of that like that shit don't matter it because if you cannot sign a birth certificate because I didn't sign a birth certificate, if you don't show up to a hearing, you got a default judgment.

Now you're the legal father by default judgment.

It's like a failure to a peer.

Oh okay, it's the same thing because if you don't show up, they presume that you agree.

Yeah, so it's consent.

Damn.

So but you're saying you ain't know about it.

I didn't even know about it.

Why because what I later proved in my hearing, they allegedly served me at a vacant house, which I later proved because I sent the Department I subpoena the Department of Water and Power to come testify to say who lived at this address where you said that you served me?

Yet they came and said, well, we didn't have any power there.

No one even lived at this house.

So that's how they actually got the case to get started.

So how long did you have to fight that case?

I represented myself for two years, so I told I was on child support for twenty two years.

I took them back the court twenty years later, I represented myself and ultimately, you know, the case got dismissed for extrinsic fraud after twenty two years.

What's you say, extrinsic fraud?

What that means that it's intentional, Like they forged the signature, they served me at a vacant house.

They didn't follow their own procedures.

They didn't even look to see that when the government assistance was given out, the person that she put on the application was a twelve year old child.

Y'all.

Never did y'all due diligence.

You can't de private person of their right to do process without giving them a right to a fair trial or right to a hearing, and a right to efface their accuser.

They didn't go through their own process.

So all of that was done intentionally, and it wasn't even signed by a judge.

It was signed by an attorney that was acting as a fake as a real judge.

It was a whole lot that goes on, and it's cold.

So basically, you proved that the systems acting outside of the law.

Right exactly, and that's exactly what it is.

And from that point on, That's why when I created a child support this fraud.

When I started looking at other people's cases and having these conversations with different people, and we're looking at it's like, nah, this this wasn't just in California.

It's a lot of people.

Like in the hospital, there's quite a few people in this room and a few people that have children.

You got kids, yeah, okay, So were you in the hospital when you're one of your children were born.

Did you sign a birth certificate in the hospital.

Yeah, okay, as any real man should, I did it for all three of my children.

Well, I now know today I wouldn't have done it.

But here's the thing.

When you're in the hospital, they came in, they gave you that document, said sign is this for the birth certificate?

Right when that happens, they're establishing paternity.

In order for child support to open, paternity has to be established.

But in that moment, they have to tell you.

They have to give you the legal procedures that you can be found put on child support, They can take your license, license suspension.

They got to give you the full disclosures, but they got to give them to you orally, like somebody literally have to tell you, they gotta have you watch it on the TV, or they got to buy audio.

They ain't do none of that.

So that's the legal establishment ofppternity.

Now I ain't saying that your kids ain't yours, but what I'm saying.

But what I'm saying is the legal establishment oppaternity.

It wasn't done correctly, so therefore they never even had jurisdiction to even open a child support case to begin with.

So what I did?

I take it all the way back.

It's like bruh.

You know back in the day when you was in school, you like the girl to check the box?

Do you like me?

Yes or no?

I ken't a real simple bro.

Did you follow your own procedures?

Yes or no?

That's all I want to know.

And that's how I represented myself disease or procedures?

Did you follow it?

Yes or no?

And even with that, you're going to like everybody when they open these cases.

They got to open it up a certain way, and if they don't, it's null and void.

Everything after that it never happened.

So basically you always be saying like child supported fraud, like break break that part, now, like why is child what makes child's put fraud.

Okay, So child support is fraud because there's the Fourteenth Amendment.

The fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution says that no person shall be deprived of their life liberty, that's freedom or property without due process of law.

We got a right to be heard, a right to a fair trial or right to equal protection of the law, and the right to face or accusers.

So there are incentives.

Under forty two USC.

Six fifty eight A, states are incentivized to find you guilty in your child support hearing.

For the fiscal year of twenty twenty five, states received seven hundred and thirty five million dollars to find people guilty in their child support hearing.

They got a kickback.

So how can you get a fair trial and a state hearing under state codes where states are incentivized to find you guilty in the first place, that anything that conflicts with the Constitution is null and void.

And the fact that they are receiving incentives on it, that's what makes it from because you have a motive.

You're getting people based on their performance.

The more child support they collect, the more paternity they're established.

Based on their performance, they can tap into that seven hundred and thirty five million, and that's just for this year alone.

So how they getting away with it?

Because this is crazy.

You're from the hood, so you've heard and incident approven guilty, right, that's in a judicial process.

These child support hearings are not judicial, they're administrative.

In these administrative proceedings, they work under something called prima facie, which says that the courts take whatever is filed that's true and correct until you provide evidence to say that it's not.

So it can be whatever.

The paper can be completely blank, so until you file evidence to say that it is not done correctly, no harm, no file.

We're taking it as it is.

So that's how they getting away with it because people not going in there to challenge it, to look and see what they filed.

Bro.

When I went back to get my documents twenty years later, my proof of service that says that they served me, it was completely blank.

I was on child support for twenty two years, dog and my proof of service was completely blank.

They don't.

There's no checks of balances.

That's how they get away with it because if you don't challenge it, they presume that you agree because they work under presumption they decide she'll get you smoked.

Right, So they be trying to assassinate niggacause it's like you're gonna wait niggas at But let me ask you something.

Do you just because child's support is a fraud?

Like, do you think dead beats should they should find a way for dead beats to pay my kids?

Absolutely?

I don't think.

I believe that every parent should take care of their children.

Yeah, And I want to make this my camera right here.

I want to make this very clear exactly.

I do not advocate for any parent to not take care of their children.

Correct.

I challenge the child support system itself to ensure that it's following its own procedures.

And I one thousand percent believe, even though I operate the program, child support is fraud.

Any parent that does not take care of their children child support, they need to be on child support.

And that's one thousand percent.

Okay, Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

I'm telling make sure you put that out there.

One yeah, one thousand because if a nigga ain't handling a busny, we gotta find a way for a handle of benning.

But you're saying even if somebody's handling their business.

They got to assist.

This is so messed up.

They gotta do what they can fraudulently.

Yes, hold you accountable.

Yes.

And that's the thing, is it?

Bruh.

Most of the people that I know on child support take damn good care of their kids.

They it's just a failed relationship and now I don't win.

Now you to rain your ass down there and put the folks in my business just because we didn't work out.

But you know for a fact that I'm here taking school, extracurriculum, I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do.

Why the hell I'm on child support?

Man?

I agree with that.

So, but for men, as men, we have to know how do we protect ourselves in that In that process, joint physical custody is the key.

You gotta get joint physical custody over your kids because if you don't get drink physical custody over your children, they're gonna presume that you're waving your rights and you abandon your children.

So at that point, now they're presuming you a non custodial parent and now your ass on child support.

That's that's unseen.

It happened too many times and they'd be like, this dude really take care of his kids.

Yeah, and that'd be the thing.

Just because it's a fel relationship, that don't mean that you gotta go put this person on child support.

And then it ain't just most of the time it's men, but there are women on child support as well, to where the man actually then put her on child support and did some crazy shit and now she on child support.

It is rare, but it does happen.

But it's kind of like you said, record, what kind of dudes is gonna go down and talk to them folks and do all that?

Bro, let me tell you something.

I'm glad you said that, So now I want to talk to you, like about my character.

I've experienced child support on both sides.

I've been on child support and like I told you when they gave me the cachet to medicaid in the food steps.

So when they gave it to me, guess what they did.

They went right after her assay.

So now they giving me the money, they taking out her check.

I'm cashing the checks and giving her the money back because that's men.

And it's like, bro, I can't, but I still need the benefits but I would give your money back.

It wasn't until they took her taxes.

And she's like, yo, teach, they took my taxes.

I'm like, all right, let's go here and fix it.

We go.

I tell her, let's go back to family court.

I give her back fifty to fifty of our daughter.

She now go to child support and say, hey, I'm now a physical custody consodial parent.

They close her child support case effective immediately.

And this is why I tell people, go get custody of your kids.

If you don't get custody, you've abandoned them pursuing too family court.

So basically, you got to read the paper.

You definitely got to read the paper.

Dog, You definitely got to read and like, man, I'm going through this process.

Dog.

I did more studying on this than I did in my entire five years of high school.

And I say five years because I flunked the tenth grade because we ain't coptain high school.

It was about dice games.

I wouldn't I ain't go to class.

We would shooting dice every day and I got flunked.

But I did more.

I did more studying on this than I ever did.

Like and I tell people people like, yo, bro, just give me the quick fix and how I can get rid of this shit.

I'm like, Bro, just no say no quick fix?

Like and people always saying, well, you you're gonna be possibly giving dead beats the way to get off of child support, you know, dead be finn toa go through the ship I went through, Bro, But I'm studying case law.

I'm case at three in the morning on Internet studying case laws.

Ain't nobody.

If I ain't taking care of my kids, I'm not finna go through this process.

This shit ain't easy, Bro.

So do you help people get out of that shit?

You do?

You?

Like?

Did you try to go be attorney?

What you're doing with it?

Nah?

See, I don't want to be an attorney.

The reason why because if I do, I wouldn't be able to educate in the way that I do because then I'd be a part of the bar association.

So for me, I was the way I went about it.

I was able to challenge their jurisdiction, meaning in so many words, I told the judge, bro, if you and if you on some function, I'm gonna put a lean on your house.

As an attorney, the attorney not for to go in there and tell that judge that, but as a non attorney, and I don't.

I'm not a part of the bar.

And there's something called special appearers and a general appearance.

A general appearance says that you wave your rights to challenge jurisdiction when you recognize any authority that we have authority over you.

So by me hiring an attorney, that would be me waving my rights.

So if I become an attorney and now somebody getting me to try to help them with a child support, by them hiring me, they already waive their rights.

So now they're consenting to the program.

So it'll be a disservice to our people if I actually become an attorney.

That's why I just deal with the education part of it.

So but you can't coach stand in the courtroom from them, No, you just you just helped them out on the side.

So what I do is I educate them you got to go put in your own It's just like the training that you got to put in your own working around here all me Like, I give you the too, you got to get out and go do your stuff on your own.

Yeah, So basically they got that fine printing them over it like a like a record deal.

Bruh.

And that's custody and record deal contracts.

They're predatory contracts.

They're the same.

They're exactly the same.

Because when you're talking about my IP, my life's work, and you're taking custody and control over my actual work, it's exactly the same.

You got a bad you in a bad record deal contract.

You in a bad custody contract because you waved your rights and gate signed over your rights to the government for these benefits.

It's the same process.

You know, signed over your life for this advance.

You got seventy five thousand dollars down you five million in debt.

It's the same shit, Bro, it's the same exact shit.

It's the same thing, don It's the exact same thing.

So I tell people, man, we have to educate ourselves and not to you.

People are saying, Bro, I want through folks in my business.

Okay, we'll go get custoder of your kids.

Bro.

You say fatherless father now said following the list in family pain is our culture?

What's it's greatest soundtrack?

It's it's the greatest soundtrack, Like you say the word, because this is fatherless fatherlessness, fatherlessness.

Father I can't yeah, father list yeah.

Father explained that because fatherlesseness.

Because they they benefit off our pain and are in our lack of knowledge.

That's that's the biggest by us not knowing, not knowing these contracts.

You're going as far as that you're you're an artist, you signing this contract, You're not knowing.

Lack of information got you in this bad deal.

You was in the hospital and it's the most vulnerable time in your life.

She just had a child, and now these people come shoving a contract in your face without telling you the full disclosures.

You think it it's just for the birth certificate.

They benefiting off you, Bro.

Child support is not for the children.

It is a business.

This is not my opinion, this is fact.

There's a Supreme Court case law, Bro, It's called Blessing versus Freestone.

In that case, child support guys got sued by five women from Arizona because they was taking all of the money.

In that case, child support told on themselves and they said that child support was never intended to benefit the child nor the custodial parent.

It was intended to benefit the state.

And there is no obligation.

There is no entitlement to it, so that get z.

That's what it is.

It's the repay child support is to repay the government.

Bro, know what I'm saying.

What about a woman that's not on government exist assistant and she's just gonna put a child on child support?

So they put it in on child support.

They still get a cut, yes, because you hired me to do a service for you to go collect the money from him.

I'm a bill collector, so it's just like just say, for instance, if you gotta you gotta your default on your bill with T mobile.

T Mobile gonna say, all right, well we just deal with the phones.

So we're gonna hire this the collection agency to go get the money, or we gonna sell a debt to them.

It's the same.

It's the same process.

You hired them because you was incompetent to create in an own agreement, So now you hired us, so now we need our cut in order to go get the money from them.

It's the same process.

What I understand is like how how how some of these women put the dude on child's putting still on them to see the kids.

That's crazy that it is, And and again.

I'm gonna keep saying this, and I said over and over and again, I'm not gonna allow no one to dictate when, why, and how I get to spend time with my children.

The only the only reason why she's able to dictate when, why, and how you get to spend time with your children is because you ain't took your ass down there to go get joint physical custody of your kids.

When you go get physical custody, now we going into the ta when saying this is my time one week on, one week off, this ship gotta be in righting because now it's war because once we split, it's like it ain't about the kids no more, it's about what what we're gonna give it take.

We have to put the focus back on children.

You gotta go and get joint physical custody in your children or they gonna continue to play with you every single time and you don't have no rights.

But my audience, like people that are watching them, motherfucking niggas, they'll be like, I ain't even go down man.

Actually they might go running nigga name and know.

And for me, I was I was in that position because I was in the street it's like I don't I don't know what I'm finna do.

Go down Hey, real talk.

There's some niggas that be like that.

So my thing is it before you go put them folks in your business and I and people always they come down on me on the internet at bottom, like bro, talk to her, like, see if y'all can create your own agreement, like if we let's get it notaradsk.

Let's come up with our own agreement.

That's fair.

We can get it notarize.

That's a legal bonding agreement because once you go with talk to them people, you don't put them into it.

Now shit is up.

Man, So how can a man still be on child support when the dn DNA.

Says test say it ain't his, like because you deemed the legal father?

How because you didn't challenge it.

So just say, for instance, if they you can be just say, for instance, you already establish a parent child relationship.

The courts are not going to say, just say, for insis you've been thinking it's your child for ten years, You take a DNA test, you swabbing, or now this a baby ain't mine.

Now you want to take her to court?

You want to get divorced, and now they're looking at it and say, well, you've been the legal father of this child for the last seen years.

It's not in the child's best interest to disassociate you from this child.

So you're you're down deemed the legal father of this child.

You may not be the biological but you're the legal father.

It's the same thing, best fucked up it is.

But here's the thing.

They use what's in the best interests of the child.

But when they use the best interests of the child for me, prime example, when my CA's got dismissed the course of what now we got to talk about the money because y'all got to give them the money back because the CA's got dismissed for fraud.

They said, well, it's not in the child's best interest to make the mother pay the money back because she got some of the money back too.

Guess what I did objection?

Why did I object to it?

Because remember blessing versus Freestone, when those five women soon as y'all ask and y'all said that child support wasn't in the best interest of the child, it was in the best interest of the state.

I'm not fenna allow you to use it against me.

So now the course ruled in my favor and they end up having me to pay me all the money back.

Bruh.

So I'm still stuck on if this ain't my baby, I gotta take kid because it's in the best interest of the town.

Yeah, if you've already established a parent child relationship, you are deemed the legal father.

Now, there's been some rare cases where they actually overturned it, and most of those I've seen it because they got they got pressed.

They had there was on the news that made the news.

The father was I think it was a guy from Detroit.

He was paying for I don't know how many years it was, and he contacted the news and the news went down to the court with him.

And now they got these cameras in their faces.

Now they they got they got to change the heart, and they ultimately overturned it and say and oh the more child support.

So there's no consequences to the mother at all.

No, she didn't, she didn't sign any procepts.

She don't have no guidelines that she got to follow.

It is and that's for me.

And even people asked me that when my case got dismissed, like did you sue her for what?

No.

I went after the state because they it's their burden.

They the ones that gotta pay me back.

They the ones that got to be held accountable.

I'm not finna deal with her now.

She can lie on the application and everything.

There's no consequences for her.

It's on the state because it's their burden for them to verify the information I was put on that application.

It shit read up.

It is bruh.

And it's like this this the hand that we dealt.

So what you're gonna do.

Either you're just gonna let them keep taking your money, taking your passport, your license and everything and dealing with this, or you're gonna go fight the ship head on and take your life back.

Now, for me, being that I've been in Atlanta for the last three years and you know, around all of these people like Marcus, and I've watched these people deal with funding and I'm just trying to figure out, like, how can I use this to help my people?

And then it hit me one day it's like, bruh, you can get funded and buy your life back from child support bringing down what you mean right say, for instance, especially if your child is an adult and you only owe arrears.

No current child support just srears.

What that mean.

That means arrears is the back pay.

So that means how much money we gave all already, we added interest onto that.

That's the government assistance that she got or whatever.

The back pay is that you haven't paid, So that's what the arrears are.

So once a child turns eighteen, or if they're in college, once they I think New York has the highest one.

I think it's like twenty six years old.

Whenever the but typically if a child turns eighteen, the current child support case stops.

It's just the arrears.

That means the back pay.

So you can still be paying just based on what you owe.

Now, if that's your situation, save for instance, you owe fifty thousand in arrears, save for instance, you get a fifty thousand dollars credit card, you go to child support and say, hey, I want to go through your deb reduction program.

A lot of people don't even know that they have a deb reduction program.

They gonna knock off at least seventy percent or whatever the lump sum is.

So they say, all right, well bank, give us fifteen thousand.

You say, Okay, I'm a balanced transfer that fifteen thousand.

Put that shit on a credit card.

Bro would you rather old child supporter?

Would you rather owe the bank child support?

They going to suspend your license, passport, You going to jail taking money out your account?

Or would you rather old Chase Bank?

They pressing bruh child support worse than the mark bruh.

So here's the thing.

Now you can buy your life back from child support because you went through their de reduction program.

You gave them the fifteen thousand.

Your baby mamama gonna be happy because she gonna get some of the money.

Child support gonna be happy because they got paid off.

And now you happy because now you off child support.

Everybody happy.

Yeah, you still owe the fifteen thousand to the bank.

But would you rather old child supporter?

Would you rather old the bank?

What quality of life do you want for yourself?

That's crazy though, I'm just thinking about y'all say you gotta pay because table getting food stamped.

We had six and all that backing.

The fold ain't never add me for.

Ship so section they does not qualify for child support?

Foods done?

Yes it does.

She I ain't gat but but but here's the thing it it's not supposed to, but they automatically added in there.

So if if she was getting food stamps, what she receiving cash hed?

What that is?

Meaning?

Like the everything you can get, man, she was getting back then?

Just who daddy was?

Yeah, I said, did you so?

And she probably then because they ad me for nothing and I stayed there and everything.

But so and and and that's that be the thing to a lot of a lot of these men stay in the house and they still don't child support because they didn't go down with where she went and filed the application so that there's variables to it.

Damn, man, I don't This is mind boding.

So you can you can get a DNA test and say it ain't you.

Yes, they say that's Dell your boy.

You're the legal father.

And that's ultimately what happened in my situation because like the course ruled that, well, yeah, he was twelve years old.

There was no way that he could have fathered this child.

But he was deemed the legal father because he didn't respond within six months.

Why did I respond within six months?

Because you served somebody at a vacant house, you forged your signature and things of that nature.

So you can be deemed a legal father by default as well.

So that legal father is really crazy, bro.

So it took you how long for them to actually say, like dismiss told I was on child support for twenty two years, but in the actual hearing that it was a two year hearing.

Did you get your moneyment?

Yeah?

Did So when the case got dismissed, they made me three settlement offers and I didn't take them.

I ended up sewing them in federal court.

And federal court was it was real tedious, bro, And I was just trying to figure out another way I end up.

And this is my first time actually saying this on camera.

I actually went and filed an insurance claim against the County of Los Angeles.

And when I did that, Bro, they got some ac right, and that that number jumped up expeditiously, like, and we came to an agreement and they, yeah, they they broke their bread off.

Damn man, you got you got some nuts to be fucking around them folk man, Cause Niggio had been like, bro, it just ain't mine.

Just leave me alone.

The money on you're gone.

But here the reason why what really actually turned it on is because they were suspending my license and I'm paying them every month additional fifty bucks, so I not give my license suspended.

I went to jail for thirty days.

The judge told me, if you come back, you're doing six months again.

I said, man, I'm not doing six months in the jail.

No, damn child support.

So at this point I called child support and the lady told me.

She's like, well, and I'm like, man, I don't even know why I'm going through this anyway, Like this shit is fraud.

And she's like fraud.

What do you mean fraud?

You got served?

And I'm like, wait, when did I get served?

She said, well, yeah, we have your signature.

I said, we'll tell me what day.

I said, I saw n She placed me on hold.

She come back.

She said, well, don't have your signature, she said, but that don't matter anyway, because you volunteered into the program.

I said, I did what.

She said, yeah, you volunteer.

When did I volunteer?

She said, we got your signature.

I said, all right, we'll tell me when I volunteered.

She come back.

I'm sorry, mister Tillman, we don't have your signature.

So that's what actually turned the light bulb on that they were supposed to serve me and that child support was voluntary.

And because she told me that, I volunteered into the program.

So from that point I just started doing more research and once I started digging on what they are supposed to do, Like, whenever a child support case is open, there has to be four to five documents.

There's a summons, there's a complaint, a proof of service, a default if there is one, any actual judgment.

If those documents are not filed and not filed correctly within three and a half years, that case has to be closing and can never be opened again.

I'm just glad I ain't got no bunch of in all that shit, bro.

Man.

That and that's the thing is like we it's a lot, bro.

And when people hear child support is fraud, they automatically it's like, you know, child supported fraud.

It's like, well, you will, you're telling people not to take care of the kids.

No, it ain't about not taking care of your kids.

It's a matter of having fairness in these family loss systems.

You exposing it, right, But what's the call to action?

What's the solution?

The solution, the number one solution is getting rid of those incentives.

Those incentives.

When you take away seven hundred and thirty five million dollars just for this this specific year, that changes a lot of things because those incentives.

If you ever worked at a job and it was commission based, you got to be aggressive and you may cut some corners.

But when you take those incentives out now it creates an equal plan feeld and like, like just being real, bro, Like, we have a person that's sitting in this room right now that is a bridge between the highest of the high and the lowest of the lows.

My sister, Like, we've never had a connection to the top of the food chain as we ever have in its lifetime.

Bro, Like, that should have to even have a seat at the table to put this on the table to where we got to get rid of these incentives, because once those are gone, it's gonna change everything.

Bro.

Like, that's what has to happen first, because they're talking about with those they want to find the waste of money where they're finding you've taken out you giving people seven hundred and thirty five million dollars a year and kickbacks and free money to find people guilty to violate Americans' rights.

That is the call to action.

We have to have a bill on the table to get rid of those incentives.

And it has to happen now, right now.

Andy, For somebody that's listening to this, that's just going through it could be in the middle of a similar situation.

Was they first step?

What do they do?

So?

Their first step?

For me, I went back to the court.

I went back wherever my child support case was.

I went back to the court to get a copy of the summons, the complaint, the proof of service.

I had a default any judgment.

That was my first step.

When I actually looked at those documents, now I was able to see how they opened the case.

Let's just we own perspectives.

Were talking to the hood, right, let me break it down on a nigga turn.

Please say the police come kicking the dough at twelve o'clock.

We get the court and my lawyer looking at the paperwork.

But the paperwork say, the warrant wasn't signed to twelve oh one.

You entered that house prematurely, So what does that mean?

You found drugs, you found guns, you found whatever you found at it's inadmissible.

It can't be used.

It's the same process.

It's a DA reject.

So when you go back to the beginning and go get those documents and you looking to see what they did if if it was done prematurely, it's a dad it's thrown out.

It can't be used.

Bro, it's the same process.

Just read read bruh.

When they say reading this fundamental, that shit really is you gotta go through those documents though, that shit that's the next question too, up and say like how do niggas educate theyself on their rights?

And and just country just read it right.

Yeah, So there's a there's a lot of people don't know.

There's a back page on Google.

If you type go to Google and you type in Google scholar, there's a whole back page on Google with just all case law.

Bro.

You can type it in by state, or you can type it in by federal, and you can just type in like certain things that all these case laws pop up.

Especially now Bro, when we got chat GPT, well, I would do if I'm in a person situation, I would talk to chat GBT.

If I'm in Atlanta and I'm saying, hey, what is the I'm going through this situation.

What are the laws or case laws and the state of Georgia that's gonna be able to help me.

Blah blah blah blah blah, it's gonna kick them out.

Now I can use that go to Google scholar, I find a case law.

Now I can actually read the case law and something.

We have to talk about this real quick, bro, let's go now with you.

We're in Atlanta right now.

For sure.

Legitimation in the state of Georgia.

That shit is unconstitutional.

Bro break it down.

Legitimation says that no father has any rights to their child until they get their child legitimized.

You can go and do DNA testing established paternity, but until you get your child legitimized, you have no rights to your children.

What's the difference between legitimizing and just the DNA.

So paternity just says that you're the biological father.

Legitimation says you are the legal father.

They're getting you the contract to consent to their program.

So you don't have no you can't You don't have no custody rights over your child until you get your child legitimized in the state of Georgia.

So but here's the thing.

There's a Supreme Court case law, which is the highest court in the land.

It's called Santowski versus Cramer.

In that case law, they said that natural parents beating my child has my blood flowing through their body.

I have a free interest in the care, custody and management over my children without any state interference.

So if the Supreme Court says that I have a free interest in the care, custody and management over my child, and then Georgia says, well, no, you don't have no rights until you get your child legitimized.

It's a conflict with the Constitution.

Now we're talking about Article six Costs two of the Organic Constitution that says anything that conflicts with the Constitution is dull and void.

So legitimation in the state of Georgia is unconstitutional because they're telling you you don't have no rights over your child until you go get them legitimized.

But the Supreme Court already ruled you have a free interest in the care cousity management over your child.

Well, Dawn, So that's so I'm just saying it.

That's fucked up, basically, And all this shit basically falls on black people, black men, right, most of the times.

Well, the records show that it's actually more white people on child support than black people.

Real, yes, we are actually at the bottom of the totem pole.

How these niggas ain't taking care of them?

Get no, But because more white people are receiving those government benefits.

Oh so they're going after to them so that they put the Department of Health and Human Services put this out.

I believe it was like twenty twenty three that it was.

I think it was like fifty three percent.

It was like white people on child support because they received most of the government benefits.

So how many kids you had after that after all the bullshit?

I ain't had none, So I mean not because of that.

But I was already on child soup, bro, I was.

I've been on child support since I turned eighteen.

Yeah, so I had my children, you know early, but like after so once I got on child support, I was already on My children were born when I was on child support.

But since I've come into this information, I ain't.

I ain't.

I ain't thinking about having like no more children because like when you put yourself in these situations and you going into these contracts, bro, don't they don't follow their on procedures.

That's why I said, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have signed that birth certificate though, because that that birth certificate, they tell you it's for the birth certificate, but they neglect to tell you that it's also a dual contract with child support services.

Go ahead, what you say?

Clarity the baby that you was on child support for all those years?

No, how did you find out?

Because the course ruled that I was twelve years Well, first and foremost, did you get a DNA?

No?

No, no, no, I didn't.

I didn't know.

But here's the thing.

I never even had sex with the girl.

Oh you know it ain't yours.

I never so we now just putting it out there.

We attempted.

I never penetrated at all.

I never penetrated the girl at all.

Oh, I ain't know what you didn't know.

I don't got But I was twelve years old, bro, and just being one thousand percent, I don't even know if I was knocking on the right door or not.

Yeah, because like real, because I'm twelve, I don't know what I'm doing.

I never penetrated.

We tried, it didn't work, and we stopped.

So with all of this information coming out and they and the course is looking at us like, well, she ain't challenging because she know that everything is what he's saying is true.

And they looking at that like well, based on that and the fact that he was twelve years old, he couldn't There was no way that he had even produced seeming at this time.

And she agreed that they never even had sex, so how could But the thing is that still didn't have that.

We still had to argue points.

The case wasn't dismissed because the kid wasn't mine.

I was deemed the legal father.

I didn't sign anything.

I was the legal father by default judgment because I didn't show up to the first hearing.

Why didn't I show up?

So he was on child's put for your other kids too, No, only for my daughter because my daughter, So my daughter's nineteen.

So my daughter when she was one through four, she was on the government assistant and I told her her mother out there's some trouble, and when she came with me, now, they transferred the benefits over to me.

So at that time they merged the two cases.

They merged the the one from twelve years old and my daughter.

They merged them into one.

When I became the sole custodial parent, they took her off because you cannot be on child support and a sole custodial parent at the same time, So I was only on child support.

Left for the original case.

Man, Yeah, it's a little husband father and after how you balanced all that.

It's it's it's difficult because like when you you know, you when you're on the road and you're you don't already sign a contract to be at a certain place, and then all of a sudden, the kids got a game, like so you miss certain things.

It's like, but we're doing it for the greater good.

It's like I'm providing to where now you could have these games and be in these programs to where and you and that support system like with their mother, like she does a damn good job taking care of those kids, like while I'm moving around, Like we have a system that works for us and to where I move around, she take care of the kids when I'm there.

We all in.

But it is it's a balance and it's a this is a new chapter in my life right now to where we're doing on the job training when we're just making it work.

The best way that we can.

Nah, it's dope.

Man, tell us something else about you that we might not know.

That that you might not know.

That's a great question.

What can I say for just on a regular person, Bro, I don't I don't really like going.

I ain't the club, I ain't hanging out.

I did that as as a kid.

You know what I'm saying, Like me having a great time.

Put me by the water, bro, I can be at the beach or i can be chilling by the pool and I'm having a great time like that.

That's my thing.

I'm a real laid back person and really not even vocal like in my personal life.

I'm more reserved.

Like so people that see me on the internet, it's like, bro, who the hell is it?

Yeah, because it's like Bro, you you be chilling and just be laid back.

You're real reserve.

So it's just like this is my life and I'm passionate about it.

I don't know how I know these laws.

I just know them and I'm damn good at it.

And it's the shit just comes.

So it's for me.

Brouh.

It's a balance.

Yeah, it's a balance, like to where you know you have you got TJ.

The father at home, and then you got a line, now, TJ, tell me in front of these cameras, and when that shit come on, it just you get the butterflies right before.

But soon so when you start talking, yeah, once it is get this ship here.

Yeah yeah, you know you're blackout, it's game time or what else?

What about your younger self?

You can tell your younger twelve year old self right before you get yourself.

Man, be a goddamn kid, bro like like and this is crazy because how that even happened.

Like my great aunt Mabel and like at her house, everything go.

You know what I'm saying.

This is my grandmother's sister, and my mother said it was the same way when she was a kid.

The kids monitor themselves at at mabel house.

So it just like you got family and cousins and they friends, everybody spending the night and you just being mischievous, like, bro, don't do it.

Yeah what I'm saying because that that's like you have enough time for that.

And this is something that I even tell my tip.

You know, my daughter she's nineteen now.

The's just like you're gonna have a lot of time to be an adulte because once you turn eighteen, ain't no turning back that clock.

You got a whole another life to be an a dolt, Like, don't rush to be an adult because bills be billy and that ship don't stop no matter you know, stop for nold man woman.

At the time, it's like so for me, I would tell my younger self, it's just like be a kid, bro, Like live your adolescent life as long as you possibly could, because especially in today's time, these kids got access to phones and it's so much crazier than when we grew up.

I just want to provide the right information to my children so when they go out into the world they can make sound decisions.

You can't say that you never got the information.

What's the name of the books you wrote?

How I stopped child support legally and like that, and it just came bruh, And it's like, bro, it's like writing that book like that.

Broh.

Yeah, did you ever think about moving out there later?

I'm I'm thinking about it now, Like just here like ship, this is Wakanda till you get here, I mean till you get But the thing is like, bro, like me coming here over these last three years, like it has changed my life tremendously.

Like for me, I'm aware of you know, a lot of the other ship that goes on, but the small circle that I've been in while i've been here, I ain't never experienced no ship like this ever in my life.

To where we having meetings with people that's actually file sharing, showing you how to go get bank accounts, showing you how to set up trust, showing you how to actually elevate yourself.

I've never experienced nothing like this in my life, bro, to where people are actually showing you and helping you actually elevate, bro.

So it's it's been a journey, thog.

Tell the people that have tap in, first of all, I appreciate you putting up on me.

Man, oh man, I gotta do this it again.

Man, Tell the people who have tap in with you had a ship, man ship.

Everything is child is real simple, child supports fraud, child supporters, fraud dot com.

But we still taking care of these kids though, because it's a don't get out of jail free car.

But on Instagram, YouTube, everything, it's child supporters fraud And like I'm awful too.

I'm just gonna I'm gonna now sit on here, bro, go ahead.

I'm in I'm in the process of developing my own condom brand, what can what kind is contraceptive?

Saying where they're gonna be target Walmart.

I'm saying, what's gonna be different between yours and the one that you say it already?

I am the difference because the following that I have to where it's like you're talking about child supporters fraud and now you're looking at it's like the kind of brand is eighteen years plus, so it's like one night because.

It's the name of eighteen o'clock.

Yeah, So it's like you want to spend this little seven ninety nine and you want to be spending thousands of thousands miss prospected dollars.

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