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Beyond The Game with Jay Crittenton

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Speaker 1

It gets no better than this.

You are now in June to perspect us with big bang Bang.

Speaker 2

Let's get straight to it.

Speaker 3

Welcome to perspective bank Man.

Today I got a special special guest man.

Not only the guests a friend, brother.

You know what I'm saying.

I like the collage, my brother zavar as crewent.

Welcome to a perspective man.

Appreciated, man, appreciate you having me my brother for real.

How you feeling, man, I'm good.

I'm blessed.

Speaker 2

Man, You're blessed.

Most deafinitly we know that the where you're mental live.

Man.

I'm in a good space now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4

I thank God everything overcame, man, and just for being able to be here.

Speaker 2

Man, in my right mind for real, fact, I'm good with that.

They go back from the beginning of this full NBA, before the headline.

What was it like growing up for you?

Speaker 4

You know, I'm come from I come from Capitol Home, born and raised, but also move to Cleveland Avenue after we left Capital Homes.

That ship was rough, bro, you know what I mean, like kid running around the hood.

Uh we we we won, you know, fucked up, but you know we're in the project.

You know, I had a strong support system, but it was full of women, you know what I mean, my grandy and my grandma, my mom and my aunty and man, it wasn't meant to me in a round, but I stayed on that basketball court.

Okay, had to come get me from that court, the same court that so you know, Captain Home got tought down its Capital gateway now, but the same basketball court still standing, you know what I mean.

So, man, they used had to come and get me out the court.

I'd be out there from nine in the morning to eleven at night, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

For real?

What was it that drew you to the court though?

Man, it just was a passion.

Speaker 4

Man, Like they got pictures of me with a basketball in my hand from when I first was able to walk, Okay, you know what I mean, Like me and my cousin here with me, just us us playing basketball, competing against each other.

And it was just a passion and it just grew on me.

And it's like nothing can't keep me off that basketball court.

It's pitch black dog bro Like out of here they seeing the goal, Like we out there for the love of the game.

Speaker 2

We know where the goal that I'm out there with the grown men.

You know what I mean, I'm a little boy.

Speaker 4

Anybody from Capitol home to tell you, like, I'm a little bit of boys some eight years old, nine years old out there with a grown men playing, and that's what made me get knocked down, Like you know, it ain't no damn hardwood court.

It's a hardware concrete, so they don't get knocked on the concrete, knocked into the pole, like get your ass up by like get up.

Speaker 2

That's what made my toughness, and you know what I mean, got me where I needed to be.

Speaker 3

Do you think that just by being out on the court, you know what I'm saying with the older dude, do you think that like substitute for not having a man in the house, just seeing different attitudes of men, seeing different characteristics and stuff.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, definitely did.

Man.

I had a lot of people that took a liking to me.

Speaker 4

It's like they saw the gift like like, bro, gonna make it, you know what I mean.

And they would encouragement to support me, you know, like you know, tell my mama and my grandma, don't go y'all, go ahead.

We got them because you know, being in the project with everything going on or the shootings and you know, the drug and fixed you know your mama, everybody want to come out to make sure you good, Like, hey, come on in it, you know, for something happened, but we got him.

He good, you know what I mean.

So them embracing me and encouraging me like it definitely helped me.

When did you know, like you can go to the next level, you know what I'm saying.

You know, passion could be one passion and drink could be one thing, but like actually making the next level.

Speaker 2

When that you knew, like you had what to tape.

Speaker 4

Probably twelve thirteen, you know, at that point, you know, the rankings come out.

I was like top five in the country in my class and really damn the rankings and all that.

Man, Like I always had a belief in myself.

Bro, you know me, I'm bullheaded, Like you can't tell me what I can't do, So you can't tell me what I can't do.

So but I always believed in me at the end of the day, so I knew I was gonna make it.

I never forget a lady in church, man, she ain't mean no harm by I still know it to this day.

But I was going into the draft.

It was after my college, my first year, first only year at tech.

She was like, but what if you don't make it.

I looked at her.

I was like, Oh, I'm gonna make it.

It was just a belief.

And she came in apologized like I didn't mean them by.

I said, Noah, I know you ain't mean them by, but this is my belief in me.

Yes, he can't tear me regardless of the outcome, Like, you ain't gonna change my belief in me.

Speaker 2

How was it like like going through school?

Like what was some of the distractions?

Speaker 3

And you know, like going through school trying to get all the way down, Like what was some of the stuff that was in your way?

Speaker 2

Bro?

Speaker 4

Not a whole lot.

Just to be real, man, it's like it's like God had it set up for me, you know.

Training friend, I've been in public school my whole life.

End up going to a Christian academy.

But I'm this little I'm this little hood little kid coming into it's almost like the fresh Prince of bell ever worse, you know what I mean, Like I'm coming into a school that's my way uniform you can't wear tennis shoes.

I'm like, man, I'm not going for this ship.

I tried to get kicked out.

Every single everybody that that know me, No, I ain't telling them a lot.

It's one hundred percent facts, Like I tried to get kicked out, like, but it was what God wanted me to be.

So me being poored from all of the distractions, everything that go on that public school, everything was going on in my neighborhood.

It's like, I mean, this private Square is private school, but no disrespect like to the private school calling it square because it's a great school.

The people that ran in school, or Sister Jared pastor Wayne Man, these people, I mean, real God fearing people and they ain't playing no games.

So the Bee Trees, Sam, It's a whole family of God fearing people.

And it's changed my life.

Bro, Like I always believed in God, but I started learning about who God was.

I'm reading my Bible, I'm praying, Like the school really changed me.

So it's like, man, this is what God's playing because everything I did to get kicked out, they didn't kick me out.

You know what I'm saying.

They didn't kick me out.

And in all the distractions, I know I would have got caught up.

Bro, It's hard, Like think about how many people had a talent that we got.

But you come from where we come from, and it's like inevitable because of who you love, who you law to, you getting caught up and so many people that got caughtup that could have made it just off of being law hoppy in the wrong car, dealing with the wrong girl, you feel I'm saying, Like, so I was removed from those distractions being placed in this private school, and I man, I suffered in the beginning, like man, this shit, Like I'm mad, Like, man, this ain't for me.

I can't do this.

But it was what God wanted me to be.

And that's I truly feel like that's how I made it.

Do you think this topics?

Speaker 3

But do you think it be kind of hard for like talented kids such as yourself if you stayed in regular school.

Speaker 2

The eyes wouldn't have been over there there on Christian Academy.

Speaker 4

Right now that I feel like, you know, at that point, like the talent because Atlanta was such a hot bed for everything, bro, like we being poppy just on some real shit, you know what I mean, Like sports wise, music, wise, So I feel like the talent gonna get recognized, especially when you're on the AU circuit.

But with me being over at the private school and us going to a national schedule, then me and Dwight over there together.

Of course, you know, the oys is like right there on you can't miss you, like they coming to see Dwight.

I've been top point guard, top of my class, you know since I was young.

Speaker 2

So it's like we're right here together, Like, yeah, they there to see us.

Speaker 3

Who would you say, believe in you the same amount that you believe in yourself if you had to pick one person like this person believed in me more than me.

Speaker 4

I can't just pick one person bank like my grandma and my mama for show, like for show for show, like really believe believe.

But then, and I ain't just saying this because he was with me, with my cousin, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

He believed in me.

Speaker 4

Everybody Like, bro, you're gonna make it like they knew my auntie, Like everybody was on the same page with me.

Speaker 2

But mam and Duke's like she believed in me.

One thing about it, Like.

Speaker 4

I love my mama to death and we have our differences, you know what I mean, Like a lot of people.

But the thing she did, the sacrifices she made you feel me like she never missed the game, making sure I'm in practice, get sure that she had to work, like the coach gonna pick you up, this person gonna pick you up like she she did that.

She sacrificed for me, for her, for her, and so I had not If she had not have done that when I was young and made those sacrifices, I would have been Man, it's a lot of kids that got talent.

Now it's like mama got to work, so she can't even take them to a basketball practice or football practices.

Speaker 2

Like the talent just sitting there not being you.

So do you think that the people.

Speaker 3

That believed in you, who just ain't bleeding you because of your talent or your will on your will?

Speaker 2

Like what was it both?

You know what I'm saying.

I think it was both.

Speaker 4

I think it was like when they looked at me, like, Mam, I see something, this boy just me not leaving the basketball court when you can't pull your child off the basketball court, and I'm bucking they seeing my uncle over there, like everybody, I'm like I'm good, like I want to leave a basketball court.

Liked this boy.

I love basketball.

He really bucking, like standing out here from the morning to the night.

So they saw the wheel and you know, like like they just saw it in me.

Speaker 2

This is my grandson, this is my son.

Of course we're gonna love and support them, but they saw it for real, for real Draft night.

You remember that shit?

Yeah?

Speaker 3

Yeah, Like, how did you prepare for that day?

Speaker 4

Or I had been praying so hard man like again they go back to the to the Christian Academy, walking in my faith.

I'm praying, like even though you know they'll say you locked in, you know where you're gonna go.

All this stuff, man, draft like can change, it can be false promises.

So I just praying, praying, praying, man.

And I really didn't think I was gonna leave Atlanta, bro.

I thought I was gonna be homegrown Atlanta kid Jordia Tech and then go to the house.

Speaker 2

Man.

That shit broke my heart.

Speaker 4

When they passed on me at eleven, They're like, okay, well you know you might go to the Clippers.

At fourteen, they needed a point guard.

They went with al Thorne, I think, and uh, who was after that Washington had a great work out with them.

They end up going with Nick because they had you know, gild of course at the end of one.

So I'm like, damn, okay, We're like, shit, Miami, Miami is taking you for sure.

Miami had the twentieth pick, so I'm like, okay, cool, I'm chilling the Lakers at nineteen.

We ain't got no call from them.

I think I was injured doing that workout too, Like, but of course they've been watching you for so long.

They know what you Yeah, they know what you got.

And so all of us were surprise sitting in the room with the nineteen pick and they called my name.

I'm shocked because the twentie pick right behind it, And Man, I was overjoyed.

Man, I was thankful.

Man I shed tears.

Man had my whole whole family out there.

We had a draft party at Atlantic Station, so Man seeing my grandma, I never forget it, man, walking up to my grandma, pulled up in the limo, hopped out of it because I watched the draft party somewhere with not the draft.

I watched the draft at a hotel with my agent, my goddad people that was close to me.

Speaker 2

And had a party set up.

Speaker 4

So when I got drafted and pulled up to the party, my grandma was just standing right there with the arnge open rodrote down, cry you.

Speaker 2

Did It made me emotional that because I can see it too, like she just sit there like like like baby made it.

You know you did it.

Ain't nothing like that feeling right now?

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, hey, let me let me ask you some So what was your first NBA game?

Speaker 2

Like the first NBA game was kind of like bro it was.

It was.

Speaker 4

It was really fucked up because I did great in some of the my preseason, preseason, I did my thing, you know, one thing about he could put all this ship up.

Speaker 2

So Phil Jackson, like we had me and Kobe Carr.

Speaker 4

Cobe Carr was George Carr's son, which is a head coach but in the NBA NBA for a long time and it was his son.

He was like an undrafted sign on man field dressed this man over me.

And it was more so like not because of the I did everything I was supposed to do, Like feel with this Buddhist you know mind game ship.

Let me test his mental out, you test your Yeah, let me see how strong he is if he gonna get in the feeling about this.

Yeah, but it's like, bro, like in nineteen Nigga went me at this age, you understanding now, yeah, like okay, but at nineteen, like this shit didn't make sense.

I'm coming here, bust somebody doing everything I'm supposed to do.

Make it made sense.

Yeah, I'm puzzled, like, you know, not knocking Kobe Carr, like pretty good player, but it's like it's no comparison.

You look at the stats.

It was no comparison.

And he knew what he used to be, like, man, feel just playing mind games with you.

Speaker 2

He was.

Speaker 4

He was a good person to have around, and he used to encourage me, like, man, maybe he's just trying to see how your attitude is.

Just you gotta do this, you gotta do that, and you don't find it.

And he was a little older than me.

I think it was like four years older than me because he went all four years of college.

But just somebody that was like telling you, bro, it ain't true, like he just testing you out.

Speaker 2

You know what I mean.

Speaker 4

I know I ain't supposed to be dressed in front of you, but you know, shit happened, bro.

It was just everybody like if you go to any other team, your career probably go differently.

Not blaming feel feel the legendary, and people probably get mad when I you know, because he's a legend.

No ware rings like fun that it is my experience.

Nobody got to say it's my experience with him, not blaming him, but like yeah, like that's real ship.

So how you how you react to that?

When he did that, bro, that ship Like, bro, really fucked my confidence up.

And you knew me back then, Like I'm I mean, bullheaded, strong, will confident.

I believe in me in the stuff that started going on, Like it's like damn, I'm already out there in La by myself.

I'm going through this ship with him and he's not you know, he ain't a coach that really communicate with you, like especially if you're a young player.

Like he had a saying that he felt like riokids were like the ship on the bottom of somebody's shoot And it's like fucked up to be like say that about a human being, but like that's how he looked at Rickyds.

Speaker 2

So he feels like he got to talk.

Speaker 4

You ain't got to explain shit to you, nigga, just do what you're supposed to do and keep grinding, keep believing.

But I don't think he looked at like damn, like me.

I put myself in peoples shoes.

I feel what I'm saying.

Like most people are like, Okay, this is how I feel.

This is my way of thinking, and it's gonna work or it ain't.

I put myself in people's shoes at nineteen years old.

Bro, Like, I'm out of la by myself dealing with this.

We got a team.

We have a team, whereas like me and Andrew, bydam we're the only two young guys and then a whole bunch of you know, older people that's married.

We ain't hanging out together.

I'm at the how by myself.

Basketball all I got.

I don't give a fuck about the money.

Just on some real shit, like when you love basketball, the money is a plus you thankful for it changed your life.

I give you saying, but the money ain't gonna a motherfucker.

Gave me a billion dollars.

This is my passion, this is what.

Speaker 2

I need to do it at the highest level right now.

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4

So if you give me a billion dollars and say, guess what you gotta go through this fine tuning process.

You ain't ready yet or I'm testing you out whatever, I'm still finna be depressed, like damn, but I've been doing this at this level for my whole life, and that made it to the big level.

And you know, even though it was the beginning, it's like fuck that ship.

That ship set me back, bro, mentally.

Yeah, I was just depressed, like questioning everything in my confidence.

Speaker 2

I started losing.

Speaker 3

But you started moving around l a like like a regular nigga.

You ain't even moving like no basketball player that one at one time.

Man, But you got to think about where I come from.

I didn't you want to go where you familiar.

Speaker 4

Yeah, looking back on it now, it's like, damn, bro, Like some of the decisions I was making it was bad decisions, but at that time, I didn't see it as bad decisions.

Speaker 2

I don't know no better.

I literally come from the project.

Speaker 4

So you you you put me out here without the right circle around me.

Like a lot a lot of a lot of players like got their mommy and they daddy, they got family, they got uh the support system, Bro, I didn't.

I didn't have it like that like I had it in a sense, but like not on a professional level.

You know, I had people in the streets, I had my folks like so, I don't even know how to maintained at this level.

Either I'm the biggest.

I'm the biggest in I'm the biggest right now.

Speaker 3

So don't nobody around me or came up around me know how to maintain this level because we've never been.

Speaker 4

Here exactly, none of us never been here, so all of us lost and learning at the same time.

And I'm just moving like I would move back home.

I ain't no Hollywood, dude, so I go to where I'm comfortable at, you know what I mean.

And looking back on it, it was like, damn, you should have been in Hollywood.

I didn't know how to be Hollywood.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

You don't know how to be Hollywood like that.

But I'm much wiser.

I know how to maneuver, like, I ain't finna go over there.

I got a preventative mentality now because of the things I've been through, Like everything is prevention.

Speaker 2

I stay out of bullshit.

But they're doing this over here.

Speaker 4

Don't go over there, no matter how much fun they have, no matter how bad to Braa here Like, I'm not going over there because I know what trouble.

I know what this shit cost me.

But back then, I'm just like I'm nineteen, I'm in LA.

I've been here Atlanta my whole life.

I didn't go off to North Carolina.

I didn't go to Oklahoma.

I stayed in Atlanta.

So even when I was in Atlanta, and get what I'm doing, I'm going back to Capitol Home.

When I'm at Georgia Tech, I'm going back to Captain Home.

I'm going to Cleveland Avenue.

Everybody that know me, knowing you're lying, this is what I know.

I didn't know how to be Hollywood, even a situation that got me fucked up, you know, the robbery, and you know we'll get into that.

But if I never go back to Cleveland Avenue, I never get wrong, it never happens.

I never retaliate fact.

Speaker 3

But this is all I know, you know, so so so like looking back on it right now, you know we say we ain't have nobody, but was somebody in your ear that you wasn't listening to, like bro, you tripping here?

Speaker 2

Yeah?

Speaker 4

And when I when I say I don't I won't say I didn't have nobody.

Speaker 3

It's just that it's levels, bro, as far as the professional break it down to you and let you know what you're about to lose type ship.

Yeah, my my circle was more so where I come from.

You know this, like everybody from the streets.

It's around me.

Speaker 4

But still like it's been times where people like, hey, you tripping, slow down?

You know what I mean?

But and again, guess what I know how to be accountable.

I've been bullheaded.

I've been saying this the whole time, bullheaded, strong willed, like I hear you.

But if you ain't around me all the time, if you ain't right here with me, it's hard.

Like I hear you, then I don't because just were under bread on them exactly.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I really don't want to hear that shit you're talking about you.

Speaker 2

You don't.

You don't talk me, sh r got that body you I told you to it you around?

You ain't like man, get it cold, nigga.

God.

Speaker 3

So how did the money and the fame like change you or changing people around you?

Speaker 2

Like?

How did it change?

Speaker 1

Man?

Speaker 2

Being real?

Speaker 4

That ship?

I should have let the money change me, okay, shular?

Yeah, and I didn't.

Speaker 3

But you're saying the money really magnum the little boy who you was, it magnified it.

I got the money and us shit, I'm really me all the way me now on me.

But then like I didn't let it change me as far as like not going to certain places.

Yeah, not feeling like you got something to lose.

You adin't feel like you had this regular this regular life.

Speaker 4

It was regular life.

I wasn't moving, I wasn't moving accordingly.

So even I'm touching this type of money, I'm on this type of level.

Now I have to move on that.

But again, I didn't have nobody to teach me.

But I feel like the money did change people around me, and that happens often.

We would be like people be like, well the money, the money changed you, the money gangs.

Speaker 2

The money.

Speaker 4

The money changed a lot of people around me.

As far as like everybody, I ain't gonna say everybody.

People wanted a certain look, a certain image, certain things wasn't enough.

It's like, damn, bro, I ain't ain't.

I ain't lebron God, Damn I ain't signed.

No, I ain't signed one of them contracts.

Speaker 2

I'm on a real then I'm on a rookie dial, I just arrived.

That's it.

Like we were thankful.

Don't get me wrong, we thankful hard to get that, but we yet but they were people.

Speaker 4

People around me was moving like I had really made that big contract.

And it's like they don't be on They just see NBA, you got the new car, you got this, that, and the third got.

Speaker 2

The jewel round Like, well, I don't understand.

They don't.

Speaker 4

They don't understand taxes.

Again, that's why he's on nineteen.

Guess what.

I understand all that part of it.

I understand that smart with that, But now don't feeling the pressure from my folks, from family, from friends.

Speaker 2

Because you got to think about it.

Speaker 4

Bro, If twenty people ask you for a thousand dollars to them, they feel like that ain't ship to you.

That's twenty racks.

You feel what I'm saying.

If if twenty people, if thirty, if thirty people ask you for five thousand dollars a piece, that's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

You take a million dollar contract on one point, just use a million and cut it and half when you in California, taxes is half.

Just like goddamn what Edie Murphy on the stand up and talking about half they will right there.

So taxes in California, brother, this is no exaggeration.

One of my first I had two chicks.

One of my checks was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

It was advance.

So I'm called of like why, Like I ain't never seen no shit like this in my life.

I call the ma and Dukes taking the picture like even though you know it's coming, it's different when it hit your hand.

Yeah, you keep looking down at that motherfucker.

One hundred and fifty thousand dollars, you get seventy five thousand half they won't their.

Speaker 2

I'm just saying I want you right there.

Speaker 4

But my point is, you know people don't understand like the taxes, the agents, all the things that come out in and you know your livelihood.

Speaker 2

You gotta survive.

Speaker 4

And when they ask you for this bread or feeling like well I need this look, I need this image, I want this.

I want to drive a car on it, like damn, bro, Like that's that's that's pressure, bro.

Speaker 3

But it'sh it crazy because all while all I use God, damn going through like growing up, I'm gonna say, growing up all he was growing up, he was growing up in the NBA.

You know what I'm saying right in front of our eyes.

Like you said, Lee, even when you come into town, you come in.

Speaker 2

Town to us, you know what.

It's just like you said one time, like your lord to is like a given a curse, right right?

Speaker 4

Yeah, for sure, explain that.

Explain that, man, I got.

I got so many stories I can dive into off of that.

But like I pride myself for my lord to, Bro, You're not gonna meet a lot of people with my integrity, my morals, my principles and values when it comes to being loyal, I agree calling somebody your brother, you know, to my family, they notice, like anybody watching this that know me know this.

Speaker 2

But one thing I learned, Bro, it's not going to be reciprocated.

Not that it's not.

Speaker 4

Sometimes it will take that back, sometimes it will, but it's it's it's very unlikely that it's very rare that you know, the people that you give your law to to that they reciprocated.

And a lot of time, guess what, when that ship comes back, you might push it out to these people over hell and the person that be the most law to you.

You never even had the opportunity to do anything for them like that.

You never would have expected it to come from them like.

Speaker 2

I did.

Speaker 4

I did all this for y'all, and not that we count things, but it's like I want it's the same thing, the same lord and a little back bro.

I had people the man crossed all type of ways.

When I tell you, like, boy, it's like it's like when I made it to the NBA, I reached.

Speaker 2

My dreams and my nightmare is at the same time.

Speaker 3

That's why I was about to ask you, do you think the NBA success like pulled you away or pushed you deeper.

Speaker 4

That ship, like like getting that money in that status and thinking that, Okay, you know everybody gonna treat me how I treat them.

I'm gonna tell you how it even fucked up with the going back to Cleveland Avenue, how the whole robber situation happened.

I'm thinking, like, I got a good heart, I get a people, I help my family, I help my partners.

I don't do no sucker shit, no snake ship, like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody gonna want to fuck with me.

I'm not even I'm that naive, Like I'm not green as far you know, we come we comfortable, we come from.

I'm not green on that tip, but it's like I was green to the fact of like niggas and suckers, Yeah, you can do everything right by folks, and folks are still got damn fuck you over the very people community, the people you grew up around, the people.

Speaker 3

You you know what I mean, Like, ain't I just know you know, this is what I felt like like looking back on that for you, like how you went over there to get your cut or whatever, whatever whatever, and you from that, you knowing in your heart niggas, no, ain't no sucker.

It ain't did no sucker shit to nobody.

So nigga, no, ain't really going for that.

So you just really that, you know that kind of take your guard down, that ain't really naive, that just you knowing like I ain't going for that, you know what I'm saying, And niggas, no, I ain't going for that.

But then when something happened, now you got to show the team going for that and really fuck up your whole shit.

Speaker 4

And that's why you know, I take so many preventative measures now, man, I ain't.

You know, of course I had to.

I had to go through that to get high on now and get what.

I ain't got no point to prove.

I don't care about proving how tough I am.

If nigga's doing some bullshit over here on this side of town, get what.

I don't give a fuck how fun it is over here.

Long give for what's going on.

Get what I'm not going cause niggas, like these sucker ass nigg will trick you into the situation that I was in.

Speaker 2

What happened, Like, let's start of that ship.

What happened?

Speaker 4

Man, I'm just going over here to get a haircut.

You know, you know how often I would pull up over there because I'm from over here.

But I ain't even I wasn't even pulling up on no hanging over there type ship.

The Barbershop is a community in Landmark, even to this day, run by Paul Pierce.

He is a he is a he is a person that he's done a lot for the community.

He done a lot for the people over there.

He was like a father figure to me at one point.

Yeah, man, I never forget, like going to the proms middle school.

He let me see his ya's putting money in my pocket and let me see his car, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

Like, as I got older, he was a real father figure.

Speaker 4

So I'm coming back not just out of respect for the community, but respect for this man.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Yeah, I had a I had a barbershop in my house.

Speaker 4

I had a whole little salon set up in my house where it's like, well a woman can get our hair done, I can get my hair cut.

Speaker 2

But guess what.

But I know what it means for his bend for me to be help here.

Speaker 4

And you know what I say, presence like that to the community, Like damn, I'm coming back to give people hope.

I don't disrespect nobody.

I'm not an arrogant person.

I don't talk down on people.

I don't mistreat man in it.

People know this now.

Somebody is watching this that'll approach me that I don't know.

They'll pull up chop it up here.

What I'm gonna chop it up with you.

I'm gonna talk to you.

You've always been like that though, I always been like that.

So it's like, I'm just coming back over here to give my community hope that I made it out.

People want to talk about you know, everybody' favorite thing.

What's it like to play with Kobe?

What's it like to be in the NBA, might have their kids with them.

I'm coming back for this reason to show that I haven't changed.

I'm the same.

I'm the same kid that couldn't pay for a haircut at times and I sweet to help.

I'm the same kid that sometimes I ain't have to sweet to help pologies, like you know they cut my hair.

I go ahead, boy, So how could I not come back?

But you got these sucker ass niggas that been bullshit since we were kids that I've been on like, and I'm gonna called the spade niggas.

Niggas know me, Bro, I hate the situation turned out like it did.

But the niggas some holes like any nigga that like y'all niggas praying on niggas a nigga that made it from over here.

And let me let me and a lot of people say, well, why he had on all that dri going back to the hood.

Bro, you know it was at one point in time.

Get what I sold them to all my jerk back to Fuzzy.

I sold it back, I guess because when you make it.

It's like, man, we grew up watching BT.

You want to sit some Paul.

You see niggas shining the cars, so that the first thing you want to do, like I want to get the piece, I want to get the car, I want to get my mama house, and you do all these things.

But at a point it's like I like this cool, but you kind of get burned out on it.

This shit don't be nothing once you get it, ain't nothing.

I wouldn't even win me.

I sold most of the back to Fuzzy and I had the ship sitting up there like whatever.

You know, like I don't want this shiit.

See what you can say?

Yeah, the black Diamond watch, it was like a couple of pieces.

I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go in and keep this.

I still had it put up in the safe.

I wouldn't wearing it like that.

I let other people with.

I had a blo black Louis Laton outfit I had put on.

I had just I had just bought some black and gray Louisverton shoes.

I put my ship on him like like you know, one of them days you feel.

Speaker 2

Yourself.

Speaker 4

Yeah, whatever I'm feeling myself, you know what I mean, Like, okay, I put the pieces on.

Speaker 2

I don't even what a ship put that.

Speaker 4

I used to think about that, like, damn, what if I would have never just what if I would have kept my mentality not wearing Jerry and I put it on this one day.

It ain't like no, I had been consistently wearing it this one goddamn day, throw the ship on.

Speaker 2

I go to get a haircut.

You know, I'm feeling good.

We're gonna go out.

Speaker 4

My haircut appointment, and it's I had been mad at Paul, but I had to stop doing that because he always did this, and sometime life just meant to be how it's gonna go.

My haircut appointment was at like five o'clock.

Everybody knows that Paul, like I'm like a son to him.

He want to sit there and talk.

They know it gonna take him two hours to cut my goddamn here fifteen twenty minute.

He's gonna take him two hours because he's gonna take his time.

He want to talk to me.

He wanted to have that.

It's like it's like a father cutting his son.

So he don't let all these people go in front of me, I ain't gonna lost sitting that motherfucker.

God damn, Like, I love kicking it up here because I literally grew up in this month.

I love kicking holland their it's my same atmosphere.

I love it for goddamn all ready to go.

My girl at that time, my son's mother.

You remember stasy she don't.

She didn't even like sitting that motherfucker.

She didn't, never said nothing.

But it's like you tell the energy she went from that.

Yeah, I'm comfortable over this more, but she ain't.

She like kind of uncomfortable.

I was like, man, she's Finnah come in town from Baltimore.

Let me go ahead and get my hair cut the day before she comes, instead of having to bring her up here.

That's how the whole shit happened.

He let all these people go in front of me.

It's nighttime.

Speaker 2

It's nighttime, but it's still ain't you know I'm going out, so it ain't too late.

Speaker 4

He cut my hell, it's put sad.

Nigga Boo walk in and this I ain't just saying this because the nigga dead and gone nigga knew how I feelt while he was living.

Speaker 2

They know they know how I felt.

But he is the roof of all this shit.

Hold.

Speaker 4

Look when Boo walking in, what happened?

Boo come in and barbershop?

You know, I know the nigga I ain't.

Never had no problem with him.

He never had no problem with me.

He trying to get a haircut from Mackie.

Mackiet is still up there.

He cut my cuts.

He a solomn here, a real man.

I shout out, Mackie.

But he come in to get a haircut.

Everybody leaving.

It's how late it is.

I've been sitting him, motherfucker for hours.

Everybody leaving.

MACKI tell him I can't cut your hair.

Torn to him, Hey boy, I got something to do.

Everybody leaving, but Paul, Paul, like this my last one.

He dapped me up.

You know I got the thing.

Yeah, Boo dapped me up.

I got the thing over me.

He trying to say how s the New Year had jey Ron when he had the thing cover him ball.

When I stin my hands, if if I if I got the h the barber thing comes to me right now, you know, just like that.

If I reach out to shake your hand, what you're gonna see right here.

You're gonna see this.

It ain't no way that you ain't see that.

I got no pieces on.

So when you all this sucking ship like he's seeing it, he calls some niggas and that's how it all happened.

But how you know for show though, and I know for shore because everything that, like me and Paul were sitting there having a conversation.

I'm not in the community like that.

You know, I'm passing through and I'm out of town, but I'm just in town for the off season.

Man, Nigga, you're the topic of the conversation.

Speaker 2

Of the nigga that doing dumb ship like that, all the slame ball ship, everything that's going on over here.

Speaker 4

Nigga, I don't know.

I hear what I hear, but I'm not gonna speak on that.

He like, man, he literally talking about the nigga before he walk in, like this nigga doing all this funck shit over here, like fucking the community up.

Speaker 2

Paul, you want to get me on the thought that motherfucker, then.

Speaker 4

That's that's but that's the only but that's the only thing.

I was mad at Paul about two But because he had just tried to rob him maybe a month toring him like, man, they we just told him to put cameras up here because they just tried to rob him a month ago, coming about this month.

Speaker 2

So I'm like, I'm baffled.

Speaker 4

I'm like, Paul, like how you I'm not around?

Speaker 2

You know these folks just tried to rob you.

Why the hell you got me sitting here like this?

And you see what I got on.

Speaker 4

The only reason I got this on because I live an hour I left forty five minutes away.

Then when I was living in Fairville and I sat down, I'm not trying to go back home and do all that.

Get well, I came out ready to go.

Cut my hell.

I'm gone.

That's the only reason I got this shit on.

But and Paul not no streeting then, so I give him the benefit of the doctor.

They're like, God, damn, Paul, love you to death, but have where the fuck to come since say, yeah, yeah, I love him, bro, Like see you know that I love him.

But it's like, you know why you ain't tell me this.

Yeah, I'm gonna change my whole I might come at twelve during the day.

Speaker 2

I ain't gonna lie me at that time, you know, I'm did the same.

I'm still on the right way.

I'm still putting up, pull up the right way.

Yeah yeah, yeah, you feel me.

Speaker 4

But I look at all that black I'm like, well, you know, maybe they was just meant to happen and it was meant for me not there have no gun.

I could have died.

Let me tell you this part.

But I never got to dive into.

You know, I used to be strapped every where I go.

You know this in the car on me like yeah, too much ship, like we know what go on?

So and I never forget my Grandmama.

When I pull up at my grandmama house, I'm talking to my grandma when I come.

When I come into a house with my family and my kids or any any any any children and my nieces, cousins, any any children or family, get what I do.

Speaker 2

Put it up.

I take the pistol off of me.

Speaker 4

I put it up high over a cabinet, on top of the refrigerator or something like that, so I'm not sitting.

Speaker 2

It's not on me.

You don't wanted to go off any you know some dumb ship.

Never forget.

Speaker 4

My grandma said, maybe need to stop carrying them guns around.

She said, the Lord, the Lord protecting you.

You don't need them guns.

Another situation, and it just showed how things.

I guess it was just meant to happen.

My pastor, we go to the Hawks game one day.

I love my pastor.

They know I go to church, but like, hey, boy, I got it's that.

Speaker 2

It's on me.

Speaker 4

I'm not gonna take it off of me just because you're with me.

But he's seen it under the seat.

He had the same conversation with me black.

He said, hey, you don't you don't need to have them guns, like the Lord protecting you.

But how do they know you was scrapped.

It's on it's on the on the floor, it's on the seat.

So he and the pastor's side, he and I gotta tuk it, you know what I mean, Like yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

You feel me so man, my grandmama know because when I'm coming in the house taking it off of me.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 4

So they had them conversation with me, and I had already got in trouble for the guns.

Speaker 2

Guess what I do.

And this could be the Lord Lord working mysterious way.

Bro.

Speaker 4

He could have saved my life by this because I used to be mad about it.

I put the guns up.

I don't have no gun on me in this situation.

Any other time, I would have had it right down on me.

I don't know how it gonna go.

I was so bull headed and stubborn.

Speaker 3

Now you probably want the buck when without the gun, I know you retarded.

Speaker 2

You probably want the buck then, like I'm.

Speaker 4

Gonna tell you what.

I'm gonna tell you how retarded I was.

And I thank God, Man, God, thank you God for having mercy on me.

Speaker 2

Bro.

Speaker 4

It's so many situations I could have been up out of here.

R I p old I didn't have no gun on me.

I listened to my my grandma and my pastor.

Put the guns up.

I don't have no gun on me.

It's how retarded I was.

Paul know ain't lyne every The niggas told the police everything, and the police know ain't line.

I guess they went from went from raised on Cleveland to wise Hill to hey man, like we're gonna get into all that.

And I ain't spaying no nigga, but Paul, when pop, Paul, go use the bathroom.

If anybody didn't know the situation and know how a relationship were you a thing.

He set me up.

We know this is not what happened, but it was just how things happened.

When he when he got through comb my heir, he had to go to the bathroom.

We walk out.

He locked the door.

He go to the bathroom.

We getting robbed.

Me and my cousin inside outside.

Okay, he go to the bathroom.

So it looked like, damn, why you ain't walk us to the car.

That's not the case, though.

We noticed he come back to after he used the bathroom with the pump in his hand.

He looking like what the hell going he he this coombobulated.

Speaker 2

Is this real?

Like what the hell going on?

Speaker 3

While they were still right now?

Yes, So they take off running.

I'm trying to break the door open, like he got the door locked.

He's trying to open it, but he moved too slow.

Soon as he opened, I grabbed the pump.

He had a shot gun.

I grabbed the pump out of his head and chased these niggas on foot.

Speaker 4

The niggas.

This is so dark that the niggas this he cut really having to end up.

They were laying in it's a high grade.

But I'm chasing them with the pump.

Bro, this is a god honest truth.

I don't care who they probably like this nigga throw it off.

This nigga crazy, like should just be happy that you were safe.

This is my ship, Like, nigga, ain't finnna take nothing from you.

Bro, You know how I thought.

I don't think like that now, but at that time, like nigga ain't taking nothing from you.

I'm chasing them with the pump.

The nigga disappear, I run back to the car, to the Porsche, hopping the Porsche.

We're done to fuck the transmission.

We're trying to hit the gas so hard we bent every cone we been every cone I got.

I got this man.

I took this man pump because I don't have my gun chasing the nigga.

And thank God, get what them niggas could have when I when I was chasing them, they could have shot back, killed me.

I'm chasing them in the car my coods and driving.

I finla got damn trying to ricky one of these niggas.

I could have got popped.

Yeah, and that's why I get what.

I'm glad I'm on your platform, bro.

Speaker 2

I'm just being real.

I'm glad that I'm here.

This ain't no Netflix ship.

Don't try to make this ship.

This is who I was and this who I am.

I'm wrong, but let me be me, let me let people know what the going on.

You feel me like so, But I thank God because he's spared me.

Bro, because anything the attitude I had, boy, nigga ain't gonna try me.

Nigga ain't gonna take that from me.

But I never walked around bothering nobody.

Bro, That's the only thing, even as retarded as I was at times, ship like that, you notice.

For I ain't never sit no nigga.

I ain't never rock no nigga.

I ain't ever across the nigga.

Youn't even need no negative nigga period.

Speaker 3

No niggative person when that ship come my way, Like, Bro, don't do none of this ship, this sucking ship.

The nigga finished try me, Nah, the I'm the wrong niggas fuck with though, Niggas who don't be to be on that.

But when they get on that, they ain't getting You know, when I got on it, I was on it, but I notice you.

Speaker 2

Was that club you one night.

Speaker 3

I ain't want to seem like I'm scared, but he right here beside, like brother nigga boo right now, I'm like, brou how you know that man did try to talk about it?

Are you too crazy?

Why are you nba trying to say all this nice ship?

I was looking at his eyes.

He's not convinced.

Speaker 2

So you know me, y'all about running this nigga fit blow this joint, this joint.

That nigga looking at me like, man, he s can't rat nigga the ship.

You don't, Bro, This ship ain't gonna y well for you.

Speaker 3

Bro sh and them nigga was looking and then you know how you trying to tell a nigga like this nigga looking straight at these nigga like no, you fuck nigga rights man run trying to make them nigga say anything so he can let up.

Speaker 2

I said, let me get out by you.

Speaker 4

But get what, Bro, I even thought about that too, like you know we can't.

I came out with y'all that night show.

Lord, are you in trouble?

Hold the whole dark tape.

Bro, you don't even go to ship like that though.

Any time I'm pulling up as a ship like that with y'all do you know.

Speaker 2

What I mean?

Speaker 3

You know what I think you really can't to use on a mission to catch them Niggasna.

Speaker 2

It was a mischie I heard they was up there, bro.

Speaker 4

You know what crazy I say that the same I hate that I came up there, bro, because if I don't see that, you see everything was they were.

They was antagonizing me, bro like like provoking me, like, y'all nigga can rob me, y'all nigga sending all these threats, talk about what y'all gonna do when y'all see me put a basketball playing that nigga all the game shipping the hit Atlanta, all of a sudden, all the nigga niggas've been beat up since we would look all of a sudden, y'all nigga tough now, y'all in the game, y'all gonna shoot, y'all gonna do this, that, and the third y'all feel like that ship.

So the skill, I'm I'm not the nigga that ship finish skill.

Really, anything can happen to anybody.

I'm not what I'm saying, but I ain't gonna.

I ain't finna go like yeah, like so they all the game ship to hit these niggas tough now, Like, I'm not going for that ship it, Bro.

I remember attending school on the way back like crazy with the wrong nigga T day that did it happened?

Bro, I knew it, I said, but that's what was It's like, y'all nigga did this to me.

It was like a monkey on my back, Bro, Like I can go, I can go work out.

I was in the best fucking shape of my life.

I'm I'm I'm at Georgia Tech training twice a day, I'm doing yoga.

Nigga was in the best shape of my life.

I was coming back from the ankle injury.

The locker room ship like I'm in that mold.

Speaker 3

That was another one of the doctors, doctor what the name was Phil Jackson?

That was another one of Phil Jackson moment.

That was another test.

Speaker 4

It was a test, Bro, And it's like I felt like if I would have passed that test, everything I wanted was on the other side of it.

But it's like, damn, Bro, how many tests.

I'm already overcoming this, overcoming that, overcoming it, and it's like here I am at this place.

But then why this had to happen.

I started qushing it like damn.

If I would have just left the Durior in the safe, it fuzzed with a hold of dry.

If I would have never went over there to come and think, you know, your mind start thinking about everything that could have prevented this ship.

Speaker 2

But it was on me so bad black.

It's just some real ship, bro.

This is the honest to guard truth.

You know how.

Speaker 4

Somebody that be on drug or smoke dope or gotta got a real bad drug edition.

It is what they call the monkey on their back.

They can't shake that ship.

I can go work out, I can go train.

I be in a great space when I get home alone.

Like if I'm around y'all, somebody distract me everything poke or something.

We're good kicking a couple.

Get by myself, bro, it's not.

I can get in the shower and get dressed or lay down on my bed and that ship like boom by the nigga really just by the niggas just took something.

Just held your head, a gun to your head, by the niggaw.

They gonna do your family what they're gonna do to you, and everything's like out of mind.

It's the Devil's playground.

When I'm around y'all, when i'm doing something, when I'm in the gym, i'm working out out, I'm fine.

When I get by myself, devilgit boom boom.

It's like it's like when you had them the angel and you got demon on your shoulder, like like, hey, why don't you trip?

Speaker 2

Let that go?

Speaker 4

All your blessings on the other side, Are you really gonna let them put say that nigga try you like that.

You used topeak the nigga ass up when you were young.

Niggas ain't shit.

Hey man, don't do it.

You're really tripping and what you're going back and forth, and it's the truth.

No shit used to be on like little little shows and cartoon we were young.

That's really what we're going on.

It's it's a it's a spiritual about them.

And we go back to me doing my word by the honest to God truth that I get in my word.

I read the word, all right, cool, get me from being on their time.

Speaker 2

I pray.

Speaker 4

God is my witness.

You can't hide anything from God.

It ain't no God.

You know what I'm feeling.

Please get it off of me.

Speaker 2

I can't.

I can't lie to you.

Speaker 4

God, you see what's in my heart, what's on my mind.

I'm big and this is no lie.

I'm praying God, please get it off of me.

Get what in a subside, I'll be fine.

Didn't get what he come to devil again.

That nigga boot swore to me he had didn't do that ship.

He swore to everybody he ain't had to do it.

And then he talked when Okay, let me talk about this because I don't want niggas talking you saying it just because he did.

But me and this nigga had a conversation on Instagram while I was in prison.

He know what type of time I was on when I seen him, For I seen a nigga after that when he was on the spressway.

This is how retarded I wore.

Because I got to talk about the good and the bad.

I gotta talk about myself.

Get it out, just how retarded I wore.

I'm on the spreadway when they leaving the gym.

My cousin can the tested this.

Even though I don't fuck with that nigga no more, but not not not rooted.

Okay, I don't fuck with him, period, but he can have tested this.

Well, We're leaving the gym and I had a great workout, and it's how to DEVI be working.

I'm all the way up like Conyers leaving a church gym.

At that we ran on the spreadway.

My cousin tapped me.

You're like, hey, look, I looked to the right.

Guess who it is, Boot and another nigga in a car.

He don't even see me.

Whoever the nigga was with him in the car.

He know I ain't lying when the nigga tapped him.

When a nigga tap like, look the same way, My cousin said, look and I look.

He the nigga tapped him.

Boot, damn the wreck, oh ship?

Speaker 2

If you ain't did it?

Nothing wrong now, But I know what the nigga saying I did.

But this this after I was out on bond.

Watch this.

Speaker 4

I'm gonna tell you how.

I'm not lying one thing.

I don't make this ship up.

I never will.

It's an audio in the video or a nigga in the interrogation room.

Same way they just had a thug.

I never put it out.

The nigga sitting there, Yeah he did it.

Speaker 2

I know he did.

Speaker 4

It because we would just say he replayed the whole situation at Crucier.

He tell him all that, He tell him the whole thing about us seeing each other on the spread.

He made it seem like I will fire.

I'm literally leaving the gym.

Speaker 2

Bro.

I'm not following you.

Bro.

Speaker 4

Man, the nigga got damn.

And he said, this ship is on film.

I'm not making this substant interrogation video.

Everybody know the nigga crazy.

I ain't know whether he was finna shoot at me on the spressway or what.

So he said, what I did say that, let me.

Speaker 2

Say that he got a right to think like that.

He had a right.

Go ahead.

Yeah, but he so he in the he in the terrogates room, telling the truth.

He's not lying.

Speaker 4

He took that some truth and some live okay.

So he was like, man, I ain't know what the nigga, God damn shoot at me and get off on me or what.

So he said, I stopped.

This is how I retarded.

I wo was I just honest to god truth.

The nigga stopped in the spreads.

Speaker 2

He was telling the truth.

Speaker 3

He stopped in the spreadway.

I stopped in the spress whaye were on the Spress Wave.

Were on the five lane Spress Wave.

He stopped back here, I stopped.

Speaker 2

I dried, he dried.

It is like this, oh like nig nigga.

Yeah he was, he would the nigga waved a gun.

The nigga waged a gun in the car like the strapped to you that from the front.

Speaker 4

You feel what I'm saying.

But then that's why I'm not bragging on these situations.

I'm showing what it is and I'm just telling the truth about when motherfucker I one like that, but when the motherfucker get me on that time, it's like you awake a fucking john.

Speaker 2

I don't want to be on that top of this stuff though.

You don't did this to me, bro, and this sitting the threats and walking around like ain't nothing going on?

Like you're seeing threat to so much I gonna do to my family?

We all everything up.

Yeah, so people some people are like, why do you do that?

Who he should have laid?

You're talking about my Nigga'm gonna die about my family.

You gotta do it to me, you know.

I ain't lying, Yeah, because I can't go high.

I'm not feeling hot.

I didn't.

Speaker 4

I didn't now a nigga from over there or in the city can say that boy talked this tale or did nothing.

Speaker 2

They know that.

We all like he know that he told him for finish.

Speaker 4

Shoot the nigga in the interrogation room, bru.

It's a two hour interrogation.

To our interrogated.

Everybody was like, hey, bro, see me send us to Brian, Like hey man, whatever you got that request their paperwork for an even like just I was in pridgy, like leave it alone because niggas.

Niggas hear this nigga like he was all this King of Cleveland Avenue shit, Like why this man is an informant?

This is not Let me make something very clear, this is not me speaking on this ship because this man is dead and gone.

And I'll be honest, I had to get that out of my heart.

The nigga fucked up my light.

You can't fuck with me for no reason.

It took me a long time to even forget a man from the grave.

Speaker 3

Yeah that's some deep shitah, nigga, I damn hated this nigga was dead and gone, Like you can't.

Speaker 4

I would never do that to you.

I would never the man mama the man sister named Earlena.

She was in my class.

This man mama had to walk us to school before, not had to.

But just like you know, walking to school, all like we're all from over here.

How you do that to a nigga that your mama don't walk.

He thought he gonna be able to do like some little slick shit.

He thought he were gonna, god damn throw the rock and hide his hand like he had been doing to a lot of niggas around the city.

But let me be very clear by something.

This video exists where the man is telling them that he did it.

I ain't see him do it, but I know he did it, talking about the robber and everything.

And it's another thing what I didn't I didn't understand about Forton County.

Y'all got this nigga making statements talking about the robber too much in detail.

How do he not have nothing to do with it?

How the fuck a nigga know all this shit?

Two, they got a wire tap did what I'm saying when I didn't know this.

I found all this out when I'm going through and everything.

Boof one hit.

Why every person you're talking to it's on the wire tap.

The whole robbery was on the wire tap, the fingerprints, everything, get what Javars ain't never I ain't never told on no nigga.

Speaker 2

I never pointed nobody out.

I never did none of that.

But y'all got all this stuff.

But I'm just the you know how they made me look, I'm just a monster, crazy motherfucker like scar Face type.

Just shoot them up, kid, Like, while y'all got all this ship, the whole a whole wire tap of the robbery, all that.

Speaker 3

And Javars just go to hound what they wanted you to.

They wanted you to coroborate this ship.

They want you to be like, hell no, they ain't even never We just me and Brian just finding this out.

Like the evidence that they got they just won't get paint you as a monster.

But yeah, but I'm sitting there looking at this ship like, how y'all how this part of y'all evidence against me?

And y'all don't hear this ship, y'all don't see that.

It was like a turn in the blind eye.

I guess what the man wasn't informant.

Speaker 4

I don't give a fuck who all this the nigga to my Boulett Avenue, King of Cleveland Avenue.

The man, it's not me dirty, No, I don't do that just because I'm not the person that because I don't like a person have been saying that though I'm telling them, I'm telling them ship it's facting black and white.

Speaker 2

I've learned.

Speaker 4

I learned from Brian Like okay, cool, like he like you know, it's a difference between the snitch and inform come like.

Yeah, they're saying the man they've been saying thing they've been saying.

The man been telling forever.

He saying he's an informant.

He looked in and you got you a nigga that snitches.

Just he he say, some ship told on the incident, tell on the situation.

You're a snitch, a nigga that's an informant.

You got you got an I D number.

Speaker 2

She ain't laughing.

Speaker 4

You got you got an I D number, and you get paid a certain amount of money, You get paid a certain This fucked me up.

I didn't know you get paid a certain amount of money per month.

It's levels to snitching and it's levels to be an informant.

I can't make this ship up.

Done in Brasco.

Speaker 2

Done in Brasco.

Bro.

Speaker 4

So it is like, bro, imagine going through all the suffering I went through, and not only me the victim, the victim family, bro, like you got you can't forget that, like like everybody know that was an accident.

I've been remorseful.

I heard about that ship.

I heard about it every day.

Bro, God is my witness.

I prayer about it every day.

But we went through this pain and suffering, even though was my decision.

But it's like this nigga, but you started all this ship and you been doing this.

She been sending the niggas on moves getting getting killed the joke about him, Well, why that nigga send you on the move, Hey boy, I got damn go do this.

Then the third pick up the other phone, Hey, I got the young niggas over here, they from the head over here to set the rob But Colin police, you send them on the move over here, and Colin Police with the other good night.

Speaker 2

That Johnny can't lose.

How a nigga gonna beat you?

Speaker 3

And I just hate I came across the nigga man, like like if that nigga never walked into that barber shop, that day, none of this ever happened.

Man, let me ask you something.

So the whole time you was going, like what's your support system?

Speaker 2

Like sh shot?

Speaker 4

They were like it was like damn, and like people wanted to see me fall, Like people wanted to see me in that predicament.

Speaker 3

I kept it real with so many people, man, you know, why would you say why would you say that?

Like, like why you say that I won't shy and have one I had?

Speaker 4

I had, And of course the family gonna be there, Mama, my grandma, mad you know, my sisters there, They're going to be there.

Speaker 2

But it was all ways.

It was there but limited.

You know, everybody got to keep living their life.

Speaker 4

But the people that really stepped up, like were people that never got to experience any of the the highs.

Some of the people that kept that the realist with me met me at my lowest of lows.

That's how I go friends that still uh you know, and they be females man, and it's like, damn, I kept it real with this person, this person, this person, this person.

And while you can stab me in my back like that, I rather nigga just say fuck me.

Why had I had certain people that stabbed me in my back.

I had people that I helped that they loss I mean absolute lords, and they never knew, knew my situation, knew the things I was going through, know uh, you know, the losing money because I gotta I gotta pay for the lawyer.

Speaker 2

Say, on the outside looking, a lot of folks might feel like.

Speaker 3

Javarron got it.

He got to figure it out.

He's straight you know what I'm saying.

You know, niggas from the side might not know, but you're saying you had people that knew.

I had people that knew.

Yeah, I had people that knew that.

I'm telling you know one thing about me man that I hope people notice.

But now I'm very transparent.

Speaker 4

I don't I don't lie about ship on poppet when I ain't got it if I'm fucked up or going through someone, or let somebody know.

If if a person hurt me, I've been to tell him they hurt me.

I've been tell him how you ain't got to I'm not.

Youin't gotta be no mind reader to.

Speaker 2

Straight up with.

Speaker 4

When I had I had people that I loved, it was lord to literally would have took a bullet for when I went through what I went through, slamming me and talked about me.

He'll have talk to women about me.

Try to talk to my my baby mama, a girl who I was with five years like people that like, damn, like I pick you up when you're going through this?

Speaker 2

How the fuck?

How you do me like that?

Speaker 3

Throw dirt on me while I'm on the ground.

Yo, I'm talk about in the worst way, like trying to talk to my girl throw dirt on me, and Lee like oh yeah, like fuck you you help me?

Why when I need it?

Speaker 2

You?

Fuck you?

Speaker 4

And you could you just be taking it like that or this happened?

This happened, Bro, I'm never I'm never gonna be that person to exaggerate.

I put something on it that just not what it is.

This literally happened.

I had family, I had family members steal from me.

Bro, I had an I had a person fun Damn, I'm not spaying this.

Fuck nigga, this nigga, this nigga.

This nigga was on my case.

My cousin say, my co defending I look Douglas Gamble with.

Speaker 2

The brown eye.

Yes, saw him when he first got out, because my lord.

Speaker 3

You know how you he was around us.

I lord him like a brother, true them like a brother.

He was right there, So you know I'm not making what happened to him.

He the one went with you, right he?

So let me ask you something.

Me ask you something before before you get into that.

Do you feel like you put that boy in that situation though, because he got in the car driving for your crazy you're trying to.

Speaker 2

Rick of a nigga.

This man he ain't even cut like that.

So can you break that your fault?

No?

You know why why?

Speaker 4

And I can see how somebody could think just asking the question.

I can see how somebody could be like your head got damn being crazed.

And this nigga ain't like that.

Speaker 2

No.

Speaker 4

See when you sit down with a person and they know what they sign up for.

Yeah, you can't make no excuses for him.

In fact, when you sit down with a person to say, hey, not no pressure on you.

God, No, ain't lying this nigga.

No, ain't lying boy.

I know you ain't built like that.

I don't even want you to get in no type of trouble.

But you see what these folks doing and they send in these threats and you see what the fuck going on niggas say, God, damn, I'm good.

Speaker 2

I'm with it.

He nigga robbed me.

They did this.

Speaker 4

You know, they had the pistol on him.

He was about the God damn he was going crazy.

No losing it ain't funny.

Brother, My life had my life had gone through so much.

It was your like, damn, it got me down bad.

However, I don't know if I finla live or I was just like, it is what it is.

Speaker 2

I see what it is.

You know, a break dancing extremely like you're gonna get that make them killer, Like man, he nigga got damn did this that and the third that's so you know, like she like, you know, get it.

Speaker 4

And I'm like, hey, if it go this way, we never speak on this ship again.

Even go this way.

You know what we signed up for.

So you can't give a person a pass and say that I pulled and you got to just.

Speaker 3

Looking at it right now, you just like you know who, ain't evenna get in the car with now, like cause you been through it.

Now you don't been through it, you know, Like, bro, I'm finna just be the driver in the shoot if I have to.

Speaker 4

Yeah, you know what I'm saying like, nah, I never I never man, Hey, God, I never be in that situation.

I've never been in that situation.

I never do it again.

That's why I live by preventative measures, them facts.

Speaker 2

I know how to be boy.

But if you could go back, you wouldn't get it in the cover that nigga.

Speaker 4

No, no, no, if I could do it all again, hell because again, a nigga say what they okay with just like a lot he.

Speaker 2

Ain't He ain't even a street nigga.

H It's a lot of street nigga doing the same things.

I'm trying to tell you.

Oh yeah, I'm with it.

It's gonna chill on, everybody, got there.

I can't do twenty I can't got there do the like.

Speaker 4

You know what, all this gangster ship you've been kicking around the city, they would that you've been talking like and you're talking about young with it.

I know what I signed up for, and then you you be the first one to tell.

Speaker 3

But that that's why I'm glad God gave me a gift to know just certain people just ain't for everything you to be telling them, nigga that even when it was just deep like certain niggas ain't for everything.

Don't talk about certain ship around certain niggas.

These niggas is for the for the bitches.

He look good, he can get holes.

He a good gambler.

Don't try to make the gambler get the holes.

And don't try to make the gambler be with the robbers.

Speaker 2

And you can't do that.

You gotta baby.

You know what I'm saying, Separate these niggas.

Speaker 4

Brother and yet what that that and that that that was my fault.

But it's like neither one of us wanted to be in that situation.

I can tee it, but I my lord, I loved him like a brother.

I felt like, shit, I can trust you.

I'm gonna keep you one hung because because school gone.

Daddy gone Regipter school.

But I was telling school because he you know, he won't getting caught the bar.

I was like, man, man, let that man play basketball.

Brother, let that man and he's like, man, ship.

Speaker 2

Hit the one't crazy.

He wasn't calling you talk about nigga.

Ain't the fluence.

I gotta go with him, like, don't trying to like I'm trying to tell him, like like let Javari out there could take you to be a best.

You're like broke you I am the basketball player.

Speaker 1

I am.

Speaker 2

I am a laid back that little you know back then, like to go out, like to have fun.

But it just that's not you know.

You know this for a fact.

Then nigga might have been crazy looked through it off, but I wasn't on that type of time.

You would never know.

You would never know that else.

You come fucking with me.

You're not going though.

Speaker 3

You know it's a different though.

You can tell when the nigga just not going like for nothing.

Like it could be the simple thing like gambling.

We could be gambling.

Like, nah, bro, I'm gonna call it and out of that little funny hell where that car come from?

Speaker 1

Black?

Speaker 2

You do you know what I'm saying.

Nigga, call that ship out for who it is.

Where were at?

Speaker 4

Yeah, no resting, piece of school.

Too many school.

They rest in piece to day.

Fact, both of them, Nigga told me boy, both of them niggas, Hey boy, not buddy.

I put him on day one day, my nigga, soul man, I put up on day one day.

Look I'm put up at the house.

They look at it, They look at the door like you got he'll not let but see me.

I come, I made the door, day open the door.

He peet like, but who that is?

Speaker 2

My buddy?

Gonna tell somebody but a real sitting down but don't let but it don't nothing about nothing with me or you like he is gonna tell I will say this about him.

Speaker 4

I will say this about him, but like he kept really the most niggas like, oh, I want to talk about him too.

My time we got but we rise Jonathan Crutcher like he would when Crutch went by Crutch from from from Inglewood, fat from l A Crutch Yeah, real name is yeah blood dude, where you're from?

Speaker 2

Where you are now somewhere being then informant like.

Speaker 4

Crutch was a rat to man, what I wouldn't even you know what's crazy, wouldn't even think all this ship just really bringing I've been through so much, brother, it was so much involved in that case.

And I'm tired of spayning niggas because your Netflix don't want to let people hear this side.

They don't you know, they like how they don't sell We want to hit what crash do oh man, oh man, man went out the worst way.

So Jonathan Crutching nathing, crushing so and somebody else I love like a brother.

That's why, Man, if you're watching this man the motherfucker, you love it like a brother.

Somebody that shouldot and pay attention to the signs.

Man, pay attention to the signs facts.

Any nigga that are walking around at the too hard all the time, same what I just told you.

I said, I've never owned that time unless you make me be on the time at the super tough, super hard, super gangster or something right game banging on, break you wake or eat breakfast.

Speaker 2

Niggas strumble.

Speaker 4

You're too hard, something that you're covering up for something and covering up for something.

And I was young at the time.

Now I know all the signs, but it's somebody else I.

Speaker 2

Loved like a brother.

Man like he know this, he know this.

I loved him like a brother.

Bro.

Speaker 4

It's certain people that would have took a bullet for It's just fact.

And that's for real, for real.

I was around the man so much.

His son used to cry when I left.

That's how you know a nigga around you like yo, this is my little nephew.

Had to pick him up and play with him for a minute.

Put him down.

He go back to crying, Uncle Jay, Uncle, nigga, you can do me like you did me.

Speaker 2

What do you do?

Speaker 4

I get to Discovery disc, you know, all my stuff to Discover.

He was heard about this because he thought he was gonna be able to forever be a cover up.

I get to Discovery with his name on it.

You know this back when the disc.

You had the disc and pop it in.

Oh shit, breaking my heart?

Like, uh yeah, we pull over where you're at it meet at the Jimmy John's right here on fourteenth Street.

Yeah, it ain't really no no people over there.

He get in a car.

It's just hear his voice talking to.

Speaker 2

A detective mine.

I said, man, what the hell going on?

I'm listening, listening man, the nigga hot head.

This is the same thing.

We know.

You're telling this to the folks though, A telling this to me.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he did it.

Watch this.

Speaker 4

You know ain't lying.

They don't ever hit me with any game charges.

You remember that the case was going on to hit me with the game charges.

Like a year later.

I had to turn myself in.

They had to take pictures of all my tattoos, of my whole body, and I bonded back out.

So yeah, you know he got down.

The man's feels well, we got the big crip on on, the big see tattoo, all this shit.

So when it come out, he butt hurt because you thought, yo whoever yo yo, yo yo, this detective.

You've been dealing with them, You been dealing with him, so you think, oh, he gonna he's gonna protect me.

The case so big.

You don't know that he recording you.

It's a big case they want to take down.

It's all about publicity, notoriety.

You know, it ain't about you know, just justice.

Who gonna who gonna bring who gonna make the biggest taste.

The man exposed him, He expose him.

After that, you know, we turned around and get picked up.

You know, I got was out on bun to get picked up.

The ship he got going on.

We get The only way you get fucked up is if you're on this nigga line.

Speaker 2

The people.

Speaker 4

First off, this is how they fuck up too.

The people lied and said, I said, I'm about to bag up of two five five.

I said, He said, where are you at, little bro?

I said, I'm in the back of two five five, which we know is a restaurant that were down on Peter Street two five five as a restaurant.

They got me on the wire tap saying I'm about to in the in the in the what's the name, saying I'm about to bag up a two five five.

We get picked up, you know, but we get picked up for him.

This nigga say he the mastermind.

He say, I'm he talking about me.

I'm the mastermind.

I'm the money.

Nigga tried to do me in.

Man, the boy tried to do me in.

Damn about the new Punch.

I heard about punch, but I don't know.

Speaker 2

I can't.

I can't.

Speaker 4

I'm not the person that to speak on somebody.

Yeah yeah, yeah, Punch used to be with him.

But that's a jacket, I see.

I don't put that jacket on nobody, whether involved, I heard, no, not even that.

It ain't no hearsay I heard.

They could say, I heard, uh, this person snitching.

You ain't gonna hear me speak on it.

I ain't gonna say what I heard because I know how serious that is.

You put that jacket on Nigga's hard to take it off of him, and then man might be innocent.

His head she ain't seen no black and white or you know, don't notice for it, don't speak on it.

I'm speaking on it.

This is who I am.

I'm speaking.

Rat got got got the video.

Jonathan Crutcher, Rack that Crutcher.

Jonathan crutch Crutcher, rat damn informant Policia, come quick in the farmers in the farmer yes him, Yeah, But I been, I been hold.

I went through everything I went through, bro, these niggas was able to just go Scott free, you see, I'm saying.

So I had to hold this in and deal with everything I knew.

While people was out here praising Booth, they praised his nigga king of Cleveland Avenue.

So a lot of people know a lot of people from Cleveland Avenue know now.

But it's like y'all knew it while he was alive, and then you ain't saying nothing to uma back to him real quick.

This when he finally admitted he had something to do with the robber.

I had the disc I got passed.

I started passing the disc out, and I'm gonna tell you why I missed up.

I gave him a Paul.

I put Paul Paul Pierce at the Barber.

I put him in a bad predicament.

I'm just mad, like, man, get these to everybody to come through the shop so they can know they can the interrogation videos.

I put them in a bad space because you got some killer rats, these nigga bet rats, but they'll kill too, especially to protect the cover they I put them in a bad space.

Speaker 2

I was young.

Speaker 3

I'm like, damn, and I want everybody like, why the hell Pop won't get out there the this?

But I let my partner from my parting from John Brusau Mario this my man like, hey boy, like you get this this?

He tell Bude like, hey boy, you've been saying, ain't had nothing to do with that.

But we got He got the disc, he got the tape.

We nigga sad a minute Society.

I got the tape this before the shoot, after shoot, when you was on Bud, I was okay, Yeah, yeah, I got the disc.

He like, man, when you get it, when you get it, just let me see it, man, Just let me know when you watch it.

Nigga, you ain't freaking told what you mean you when a nigga tryed tocuse me of doing that.

Speaker 2

That yeah, real ship.

Hey yeahn't even we ain't available back then.

Speaker 3

You know what I'm saying, Like, when you get it, let me know, man, Like man I Man, I did do it.

Man, I was just fucked up at the time.

Speaker 2

He didn't do what Man I did.

Now the pressures on you, Man, I did I did.

I did do that.

Man, I was just fucked up at the time.

I wasn't thinking and I ain't think it was gonna go like this.

Speaker 4

But the whole time, you don't lie to timming Guns who like Dad the boat he he me and me and somebody that I'm close with bumped heads.

Speaker 2

He's like, man, Boo, wouldn't do that to you.

I'm like, Man, we in each other.

I'm like, Man, I'm telling you, Man, it's a person I love, looking like your father, like Foriver.

I'm like, Man, I'm telling you that he really believing, Like man convinced Tomming to try to convince you like you tripping.

Speaker 4

Because he close to him too.

Yeah, you want he want to do that to you based off of me, And I'm telling him.

Yeah, I'm like, man, you think I'm a lot of you.

Yeah, No, I give what you're saying.

Yeah, So let's let's jump to another rat.

We're gonna go back to crush when the folk come pick us up my own bard get real arrested.

I don't really know what's going on.

I honestly don't.

They picked they picked that so its a white man that we was like, I got somebody on the phone.

I want to talk to you.

I'm going off.

It's January, fort Tim, it's coal.

They got my family outside in the cold, you know, because they didn't have a warrant to come in, just a warant to Hey, we got the house around to come out, I come out.

Speaker 2

Why the fuck you got my family out here in the cold.

Fuck you.

Speaker 4

I'm going I'm going off, bro, I'm cutting these folks out.

Get my folks out the fucking cold.

Fuck who on that phone?

I don't know if it was him, I don't know who.

I don't know if it was uh the prosecute, I don't know who it was.

They said we got somebody on the phone.

I never take the phone.

But looking back at everything, you know, I get in a call to take me on.

When this person coming in, I'm like, damn, chop, this person is so now it's all like hold on.

But the only common denominator, common factor between all of us is buddy, man, you go back and listen to the Discovery.

We all getting pulled in.

You know why we never see this nigga's sitting down at the house.

Speaker 2

They don't arrest, they don't bring him out and put him in the car, and they having a how were sitting down chopping it up?

What they say?

Speaker 4

Thank you for the information you gave us about the shoe outside of Magic City, thank you for thank you.

Speaker 2

Forsese boy, you've been working.

So we owe the cat out the goddamn hat man, You know the cat.

The cat is not the hat.

Why you you've been You've been running around too long.

They they didn't know you.

Speaker 4

You exposed now because nobody gave me the opportunity to speak.

They know them right, because people people that that had to Discovery.

I let certain people, you know, see the disc They they knew, but it was a very select few and they probably told a couple of people.

Speaker 2

But you're hearing it out of my mouth.

You're hearing it out of my mouth.

Speaker 3

Let me ask you something.

Do you think because I remember what you said said earlier that uh for his candid basely trying to paint you, like the system basic trying to paint you like we got this crazy ass Bob Clear that just came over his shoe for nothing, basically, Right, do you think all that stem from, like the ship that happened in the locker room and in the NBA and all that shit.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I think about if that situation never happens, then you know, like it's hard to believe, how sh But again, they they picked sides and people painting narrative on.

It's always like even with me and him, you're the superstar, but you got damn you any NBA.

You ain't really made no name like that for your sol You're trying to figure out like people picked sides like me and him, that whole situation happened because I'm not going from the strange.

That's always been my my it's like my downfall bro, Like and later on in life, Yeah, what I started just taking certain things, not letting a person disrespect me.

Speaker 2

But I learned how to like let little sucker shit flo over my head.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I learned, like because it's like damn, like you standing up to everything gonna get you nowhere.

Speaker 2

But that was me back then, I've been say like you you know how something?

Speaker 3

You know how we could walk in the spot, right and we see some nigga looking crazy, Nigga be like, fucking key walker, you want to know why they're looking crazy?

Speaker 2

And I'm gona say, I'm I'm gonna let them ain't high.

Like yeah, that's the difference.

He'd be like, man, what y'all?

Speaker 3

What you fuck nigga looking like like everybody like, man, fuck them, nigga, Bro, we have a good time.

You want to know and you knowing you sitting down, did you figure out, like damn that that that right?

They're gonna keep me and some ship right now, because nigga, it's always gonna be some suckers.

Speaker 4

And that that again, I never looked for problems.

I never looked for drummer.

You know that ain't my carriage.

You recognize them, but I recognize it, and everything is not meant for you to address.

Yes, sometimes you gotta have enough wisdom.

That's where I'm at now, Yeah, I have enough wisdom.

My favorite saying, anybody that know me know this is my favorite saying.

They probably saying it before I said it.

People didn't know me.

That's watching prevention is better than cure.

And I had to learn this through going through so much bullshit of my life.

It is better to prevent a situation and fixing it.

It's just like if I know Cleveland Avenue back then, me now, if I know the nigga robbing over here, guess what, I'm not gonna go over there, because if a nigga robbed me and three in me and let me live.

Speaker 2

I know my mentality back during that time.

So now it's like.

Speaker 4

Prevention, prevention, prevention.

I know how to stay away from problems.

I know how to be to myself.

Back then, I didn't know how to be to myself.

I always wanted to be around somebody.

We're going to the club.

We're finna do this, We're doing that.

I know how to sit in the house by my fucking self.

I know how to be thankful because after being in a hole for so long, tir time, just being in prison, like damn, I'm locked in this room and can't get up.

Speaker 2

Out of here.

What's the biggest lesson you think?

Prison?

Can't you?

Speaker 4

Prison taught me a lot, man.

That's the whole.

That's a whole other world in itself.

It made me sharper.

It made me more alert because you gotta you gotta be attentive to everything that's going on around you, especially when you're any type of organization anything like that.

You gotta shick and pop at any given time.

So you know, you got older dudes in there that have done a lot of time that you sit down and talk to him.

They don't give you so much gain so much wisdom, And it's like, damn, man, I hate that OGI had to go through this to be able to help me.

I got a chance at going home and he ain't never gonna go home.

But they gave me a lot of wisdoms just on how to maneuver man.

And everybody got a story about betrayal.

Everybody got a story about somebody you know, spending their money and running out and say it's like, damn, I ain't the only one.

I mean that more fucker mad, Like why people ran through my money ran through it black like you the same people I gave this ain't no.

I gave a little bit, Like I gave a lot on myself and what I made.

And it's like, but this ain't even what people think.

But I'm still giving to this day, I'm still giving and it's like, damn you do.

You can do it like that, but do you get hurting by?

But you know, prison taught me a lot, Like I.

Speaker 3

Could tell, like like when I saw you when you first got I think I saw you at the school first.

Speaker 2

He was talking at the school.

I forgot the name of it.

The high school was over there.

Speaker 3

Yeah, but you've always been like a solid nigga one hundred percent.

But I just met a different nigga that day.

I could tell, like stillar but I could tell he don't want to be the nigga that he can be.

You get what I'm saying.

That's a different bro, that's a different person.

Like, Oh, I see this ship, and I know a lot of this ship is some sucking ship.

But I can't beat the referee no more.

I'll let your nigga have this ship.

And I'm I'm thankful to be doing an interview with somebody that you know me facts.

Speaker 2

This ain't no.

Speaker 4

It was around the show a couple of times for your brothers.

Bro, we've been around like your money that night you.

Speaker 2

Were talking about me and gas two days for two days, I think I had one about a twenty third of something you had one about thirty about thirty some thousand from me.

Came back like that about fifty thousand in the backpack.

Don't want to play right, you want to play that nigga want my money and his money and my money.

Speaker 4

Man, we should have fun just sitting here with a brother man that really you know everything I'm saying fact No, for.

Speaker 2

Sure, for sure they just tell lies.

Bro.

Speaker 3

When you hit me like bro ready, I was like, oh yeah, he ready to go ahead to take me say what it is.

But there's so many people that sit on the podcasts and get on social media.

They'll live, they'll do whatever for lights and and all that ain't never been the type no facts.

And you know that's why I'm glad that I'm here on something like this.

I can be real and wrong.

People can, people can get where they can like this motherfucker crazy.

Hey man, I'm giving you the real me.

Speaker 2

So do you think do you think like what you call it, like as a young Nige, you just lack emotional intelligence.

Oh that's deep, that's deep bro a yeah, and I would have to have to agree with that.

We all did.

And just being raised by a lot of women, bro, Like like.

Speaker 4

Not having I had people around people that I looked up to, like father figures, but not nobody that was just around me all the time that like Tommy.

Tommy was, but it's like I'm looking at him and going off what I see in the streets and during that time.

But I just somebody around to.

As far as the professional side, it's gonna let level headed.

It's gonna say, hey, man, you can't do that, and you gotta look at this like this, and these are the things you have to be prepared for with life.

See, with my sons, it's gonna be different.

I can tell them, Hey, this is what you gotta watch out for.

Everybody ain't gonna like you.

You're gonna run into some suckers.

You got some some some suckers.

Now they're gonna have some sucker kids.

And it's what you're gonna have to deal with, real ship, bro.

Speaker 2

Some hate.

Speaker 4

They got kids throw the way up because they're watching what their mommy and daddy do and they hate us and that's the norm to them.

Speaker 2

And now they're gonna it's what you gotta face.

Do you think when you like it?

For sure?

Speaker 3

When you when you said some tumming when you said Tommy is like og, youre telling me right, but I see you do wrong no matter what.

If you in the street, you do wrong regardless.

So it's like I can't take you in.

Basically what you're saying, I ain't have nobody that I can look at as a person, like how the dudes at the school and shit, how we name people at school like these are a god driven people.

Now they they if they go with me, all the way I can go.

But when I start going out on my own seeing niggas that, I really can't look at you for advice because even though you might be my o G, no you come around the corner.

Speaker 2

If you give him some advice, you damn the needs some Let me tell you about how he I'm saying, I love him to death, but we're gonna give a perfect exam without I love him.

Man, he got a good heart.

He always he never abandoned me.

I love him to death.

Speaker 4

Somebody say I just talked to him yesterday, never abandoned me, being with me through every situation, the highs and lows.

But we laugh about something from when I was young, when I was a kid, I had a bad temper, bad attitude.

That's why I was proud of my growth.

Going to the Christian Cadm, I really changed and I suppressed all that.

But I looked up to him so much and loved him.

So I'm following his every move.

It was a coach on another team.

He died recently, man, but when I was young, I think coach Team Georgia or something.

But that was our rivals before the Georgia Stars.

It was Team Georgia.

And the coach used to try to pull me, like, hey, you need to come over here to the winning team.

And they didn't like each other.

And if I see him, mug a motherfucker what I'm doing right behind him?

That The man went to him one day, the coach said, hey, because you need to come over here to the winning team, talker shit to me.

I'm competitive.

If I see him kick over your I kick over your.

Anybody that was around during that time when I was young noted, I'm not telling on them.

Never get on heid lot.

I'm following him and he that's who he was, that's who made him, that's what made him kicking chairs over after we lost, and so I'm following him.

I cussed the coach out.

The coach says some ship to me.

Yeah, you know, shoot a shot at me.

I forgot what.

I cussed him out.

He go to tell me and say, hey, because he called my son.

Hey man, I know we got our differences and all that, but now motherfucker son and going crazy.

You know this man, this kid just cussed me out.

He had to come talk to me and say, hey, I'm grown.

Speaker 2

I can do that.

Speaker 3

You can't.

Speaker 4

But I'm following.

You got a problem with somebody, I got problem with him.

You do something, I'm gonna do it.

And it looked up to him and I took on his personality.

Not to say it was a bad thing, because it helped make me.

It shaped me the competitiveness to in the games.

He used to grab me and we losing.

He used to and it was psychological.

He'll grab my jap me up.

What you're gonna do, what you're gonna do to get us out of this ship?

And I go into that zone.

I go into a zone like it's only he could bring it out of me.

So it was like I had that around me and it was good, but then it could have been bad.

Speaker 3

And you know what I mean here, Yeah, Mason so so do you think what part of because you had new babies when you came home, right, yeah, I mean one or one okay, and you had for you in there, I mean yet one one.

Speaker 2

So you got two kids, how do you think fatherhood changing from the first one.

Speaker 4

To the new For the new baby, man, I just appreciated it so much more, as like with my oldest son, with Jalen, you know, I was thankful, you know, I was happy.

Speaker 2

It's like, man, it's my first kid.

It's a boy, but I'm also my son.

Speaker 4

It was it was it was fucked up because my son was born while I was going through all of that, not you know, through all the good ship.

It's like I'm going through this case Vonn and I had my son through that situation, and he was about ten months when I left the street.

Speaker 2

Bro, So now I'm playing kid, I'm trying to play catch up with him.

Speaker 4

You know, even though we had we had a we've always had a relationship coming to visit me in prison, facetiming on the phone, like I kept a relationship with him, but it was like damn, I'm here, but I ain't there, you know.

So that was hard on me and with my cross.

You know, it's like, man, I get to do this over again.

I truly thank God, Like I get to do everything over So I'm building.

I'm building with my son, and then I got the new baby, and I'm just And I never wanted to be like with Jayden, like Dad, you tended more to cross.

But it's like I got both of my kids.

But well I missed out on it with you.

Not because I didn't want to be there.

You know, I had my situation, but I can't missing on there his life.

I take fatherhood very seriously, man.

Speaker 3

So what's some shit you do to try to bridge that gap between you and your first son, like to let him know, like, bro, I was in the fuck up space then, but right now I'm in a better space to like move forward.

Speaker 4

I had to talk with him when I was in prison, man, just to you know, about what happened.

I didn't ever want him to be blindsided about anything.

To talk to him about what happened, you know, while I was away, and uh, just you know what, I've been trying to do the bridge the gap, just you know, spending all the time I can with him.

Speaker 2

But but I want to speak on that too.

Where you know you have.

Speaker 4

Unfortunately, I think I think, I think all women do this at some point.

But this man in the black community that we deal with women that don't know how to control their emotions to where it's like, you can we cannot be together, we can feel some type of way about each other, we cannot communicate.

But that should never come in between me being a father to my child, because we have enough men that incarcerated and incarcerated, dead and gone, or just don't want to be there, or not mature enough to be a father that think if you give a little money here and to pop up here in that that you being a dad.

No, when you got a man that is a father father, I'm my hands on dad, very involved and I love my kids to death, want to be there.

But then mama feeling some type of way, you know, you you you got a new family, you moved on or whatever it is, whatever you hold it on to you.

I feel like if you got this on it, you got you driving it that you you should give me more of it and that should never come in to play with the man that wants to be there.

So it's too many women that do that ship like don't talk to your daddy, don't do this.

I'm gonna keep the baby away from you.

Like a lot of men are gonna be watching this ship.

That know, Like, damn, why I feel that?

Why does a man have to deal with that?

Because you hurt you, You're trying to hurt the man because he give a fuck.

But think about the dead beat that don't care.

They got to get ran down on.

You gotta chase them down there, Come come get your baby, Come spend some time.

But a nigga that's trying to spend time with their kids that want to be there, that that's like very active.

Speaker 2

I know it's gonna hurt him.

I ain't gonna, ain't gonna weaponize.

You can't.

Speaker 4

You can't see him.

You're hurting a relationship with that child and his father.

And then when you push that man away so many times when he actually get the fuck on, they say, I can't take every man.

Speaker 2

I learned this.

You have to guard your mind.

You have to.

So if something keep hurting me and I keep going back to it, going back to it, I'm a fucking fool.

You're insane.

You just keep walking into the knife and going through you walking into the knife, you're hurting yourself, you say if you like damn even though man, I want this with that knife, right, they keep mother fucking stabbing me and I'm gonna back up.

Then when you back up, he did be He don't even be with it.

And they're gonna tell the child all the type of fun, be real with this child about what the fuck you're doing and that is wrong, and then the other fuck that thing is that.

Speaker 4

Most and I've been guilty to this at times as a as a child, because you don't know better, most kids are gonna choose the mama.

Mama's can fuck up a million times, bro, they can fuck up a million times.

Dadd is't you don't.

You ain't got the same and it's fucked up.

You don't have the same room as the month.

Mama can go out here and cheat.

Mama can't got damn talk to daddy disrespectfully.

Mama can keep you from daddy.

Speaker 2

Mama can do all type of a long list of fucked up shit.

They can do it and then get what the niggas saying, that's still my mama, right arong.

Your daddy can love you the same way your mama love you.

Get what because of the court system.

Mama get to have you know you you live with Mama.

Shit, Daddy wants you to live with him too.

I want you over here with me too.

But this is the way it goes.

Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe.

Speaker 4

So you got to go through all this paperwork and get them legitimized and do you over here?

So because you're over here with Mama, you rhyme with Mama Dad over here?

God damn hey, why I love you the same.

I want you over here with me too.

Listen, Daddy, you did this.

Mama says you did this.

That manipulation though it's total manipulation.

But how long has it been going on?

Speaker 2

Forever?

Forever?

Forever?

That's why.

Speaker 3

That's why I like, like even back in the day, like even though we want to split me and want to split it, like my kids gonna take her side.

Why you tell my boys because I got boy.

Y'all don't see wh y'all get your own bitch.

You gonna see how this ship goes.

They gotta grow into it, like it's three sides.

Speaker 2

I can't.

I ain't finna bitch up for y'all litt niggas.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I ain't gonna say fuck you because I ain't gonna never, but these women will make you say fucking kids, especial for y'all separate.

Speaker 4

Like, man, you know what, bitch, I'm gonna speak on some person right now.

And the reason I said, I'm.

Speaker 2

I don't seen them nigga be trying they best.

Speaker 3

I ain't no niggasnna go down there and call the police and child support itself.

It's like they know that, like he ain't finna go down and put itself on child's putting due out of that.

Speaker 2

So a nigga wasn't left to do so.

Speaker 4

So man, that's why I say I'm gilled to that because guess what, my mom and my daddy, Y well, my dad ain't always been perfect.

He know, he ain't always been paying some things.

You know, we we we for a long time.

I held a grudge against them.

I guess what now I forgive him.

I love my dad.

Speaker 2

I talked to him, but I know because I know my mama now, I love I love my mama.

I love my mother.

I know that it's probably you're human.

He ain't been there like you should, but get it probably been Sometimes you ain't got to speak on it.

But I know, because I know how this ship works, that you want all you pupped up.

Now you there like you supposed to be, but I know it probably been some times where you try to be there and she ain't do this or they you know what I mean.

Speaker 4

Like, that's why I say I'm gonnaive it to that too.

And again as we get older and deal with our own kids.

Now that's the only thing that can give us the perception of understanding, Like damn, yep, we can sit back and look like that if I'm going through this ship and I know the man I am and the fall I am.

I love my children, but you understand I love love my babies.

Speaker 3

Like what one thing about most niggas, though, brother, a woman to go to the detail with a child.

Speaker 2

A dadd will just be like, you know how your mama.

They don't even go into detail.

Speaker 3

A woman will go into detail how she's been hurt and how hurt she is behind this man.

So a dude like you talking to your child, you ain't finna go tick tack where your mama?

Speaker 2

Did your mama?

Hold your mammy and mama, we ain't finna do that.

I'm just saying most of the time, nigga won't do that.

But but.

Speaker 3

The thing about it is a woman would do that ship while y'all in a relationship, like telling this.

Speaker 2

Kid like you, I'm all you got like it's a programming.

Speaker 4

But let's keep it real.

A woman were also going to detail about a lie.

Yes, you're going to details about the lie that she's felt that that's true.

Speaker 2

She was also going to detail because now you have to convince, you have to convince this child.

Speaker 3

Niggas do that what you got women?

You got some niggas do that too.

I know some nigga tell them.

Niggas would tell you a lie just because you know, I fuck with you, so he don't want me to fuck with you or you the fuck with me, So I'm gonna tell you a lie or what kind of fucked up nigga that I that I am and I ain't did nothing like.

Speaker 2

Listen, think bro, I don't seen it done.

It's done to me right now.

Speaker 3

But I let it be because one thing about it, you be around the nigga on the you're gonna see he doesna see he though, come you come around me.

Speaker 2

I don't even match the nigga that he's.

Speaker 4

Saying I am get what for so long?

For so long man, people people people would do that same thing, like like talk about other people.

I've never been that person to just go off a personal word to see how you treat me.

Speaker 3

I don't know why you doing this to him because a lot of people they just lit it many this nigga secretly hate you, so he gonna come a yeah, man.

Speaker 4

That nigga black goddamn whoa what again?

How we're talking earlier about I don't put that jacket on it.

That's what a lot of things with snitching with whatever.

When you bad mouthed, I'm you're finna go and take that jacket based off of what you said and just go put it on this person.

Speaker 2

Well you over there in the corner hating facts.

They suckers.

They be they be timed.

Speaker 4

Ubout it, brother, you can be.

You can be sucking a girl.

This nigga like it ain't even his girl.

He just liked the girl and bit shooting up and spending money and this nigga go bagger and nimb but the trick got anything.

It could be the smallest shit ever that you don't even know.

Your personality can trigger a nigga call heard.

Speaker 2

The nigga telling man, you you heard that?

Now?

I ain't heard that, bro?

Like you know what I mean?

Anything anything.

Speaker 3

Niggas will say anything, Bro, Just get what a nigga pick up on what javars don't like in people like just Saven.

You could say, don't funk with such such because he will a pink shoe of blue shoes or something.

Speaker 2

Then a nigga convinced you that I got the blue shoes in my closet too, So you love you know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, automatically, I'm automatically what do you call it?

Manipulating your mind to be like this nigga?

Some bullsh A lot of people not smart enough, bro.

You know you know so many people just take stuff and run with it.

Speaker 4

Yeah, a lot of people really not smart enough to discect Like let me sit here and take in what you're saying and dissect this ship and really let me look at you too, like I'm at person too, but it's because of what I've been through, so I'm so attentive to you can't just piss on my head and tell me and rainy shit, you feel me like I'm Okay, I'm gonn pay attention to you.

What you say, your behavior you talking about it could be true, but let me pay attention and see.

Speaker 3

But it could be true.

Certain ship could be true against you.

Yeah, like saving some ship be a reaction that's saving it's a nigga.

Be like, Man, this nigga got damn but my head and took my money.

But you ain't told them that.

I know you stole my money, sneaking ship.

Why was you about to say that?

A lot of people gonna tell half stories.

Yes, I don't like people get what this real ship.

I don't like people that can't be accountable.

The biggest bro.

If you can sit here and just well a person did me like this, did me like this?

Speaker 2

Did me like this?

Speaker 4

And it's like, but it's half of the story.

Talk about all the shit you did to make this person do that to you.

Yes, because a person ain't doing this ship for no reason, this type of way, for no reason.

Speaker 2

It ain't nobody else saying this.

Speaker 3

He did that to me, like we see here we talking about but he was a nut back in the day.

Yeah, I can tell it's the truth.

I ain't see that man trip many to.

Speaker 4

Be accountable like even women.

If you a whole or you went through a whole phase, you was a whole when you were younger, It's okay, you are a whole.

Speaker 2

How to do it now?

You don't be like I'm classy.

I never did this.

Speaker 4

You flying out to this NFL nigga, this NBA nigga.

It's rapper nigga.

Tell the truth and see who accept you for that exactly.

Don't manipulate niggas and I'm just some wholesome You do that now, nigga the biggest snitch, like the biggest gangster fact, he ain't gonna tell you like man, let me be a man and goddamn say I told in this situation to see these nigga fuck with me.

Speaker 2

A lot of these nigga fucking with rats.

You might be safe.

It's okay.

Speaker 4

Tell the truth, nigga.

Speaker 2

I ain't.

Speaker 4

They accept them in a lot of services now, but they're like, man, b be who you are and be okay with that.

Man and even mistakes.

I can't stand people that walk around like they picture perfect.

I will tell you how proud of you I am the growth we both have grown.

But the way people all know that we're grown, we tell them.

But they was around and it's like, bro, I used to be like this and I've grown to be this.

Some people on that like they always had it all together.

They've been picture perfect.

They come from a picture perfect family, they always had money.

Tell the it's a part of your testimony.

Even if you was a whole get what you you, you might end up getting the greatest husband ever.

And this nigga, you go victor somebody telling me your story, what you've been through, and that man can love you to death because of what you went through because he's not judging.

When you go out here and try to act like you ain't never did and I'm just this woo and the nigga find out that this the other Now, I'm like, god damn you.

Speaker 2

You're a run a nigga around there.

Speaker 4

You know you come around at hard nigga find it black and white Like God damn buddy, you got damn.

Speaker 2

Cut your fucked up hey.

Now get what that's crush like, like like boots to say, boot pot boot boot crutch, sucker.

Speaker 3

Get what I do though I turned my I make sure I let niggas know I ain't always been this focused or this healed or this trying to be prevention like you.

I like that word because I do that too on gold places on be what niggas because I know me, So let me just say, yeah, that's what I'm saying, like I don't even want to because I'm what you call it prevention beat security.

Speaker 2

I love that, bro, cause that's your truth.

Instead of trying to fix some ship.

Speaker 3

You don't even go around that man, because you know how you're your opinionated that niggas you really hate sucker ship, You're gonna call it out and you're gonna You're gonna gonna be an issue.

Speaker 2

That's why you know what I mean.

Now, I gotta fix this ship now and we don't know how they finish.

Speaker 3

Go, but get what prevented.

That's why I make sure niggas know I'm still healing.

I ain't all the way there.

It's certain ship that can trigger me to be some bull ship, so I prevent it.

I'm glad you said that word the word of the day.

It's crazy that you say that.

And people that have been talking to me lately and what I tell them, I'm still healing.

I'm going through a healing process.

It don't and I thank God for to be mentally, I thank God for the restoration, you know what I mean.

But it's like I'm still on a healing journey and guess what I had to learn and keep people away from me.

That it's a lot of people that can know you're on a healing journey.

They can even know they hurt you, betrayed you, that they were part of the reason that you all the way you are, that you went through the things that you went through, and they won't give a fuck, like, well, let me hurt you, smoke, let me backstab your again.

When people show you their true colors, especially at your lords, pay attention and separate you feel me because some people you can, you can, you can pull your heart out to them.

Hey, this is where I'm at right now, this is what I'm going through.

You caused this pain, You did this to me, and they're saying, oh yeah, so the fuck what and do it to your again.

You're not gonna be able to heal like that.

Sometimes you got to be by yourself.

You got to get away from all negativity, and a lot of people don't know how to be by theyself.

Speaker 4

Telling I was one of the people.

I didn't know how to be by myself, but the pain taught me.

While yeah, keep getting backstabbed and cross the stabbed and shot enough you're what.

You're walking away like the wound that man got you patched all up all over you, limping, leaking like a mother for like now you Hey, I ain't gonna take all this abuse.

I ain't gonna get stabbed or cut or I ain't gotta patch this wind up if I'm over here by myself or with a small circle of people that really loved me and got.

Speaker 2

My bad facts.

I had to learn that, bro, and cause the crazy part.

And I'm glad you said that.

The crazy part about this ship is, Bro, if you gotta go around the motherfucker or come around the mother motherfucker around you, and you gotta be the way you don't want to be no more, that person ain't for your life right now.

You know what I'm saying.

It's like certain people.

Speaker 3

Don't even go around because I already know you don't even get this nigga that I am.

You don't even get the nigga that I want to be, exactly because you already know the nigga.

You already know me as something else, Like it's niggas that I love to death, but it ain't don't know me no more.

Speaker 2

I love you.

You don't even know me?

O, Yeah, like you don't, so I ain't you.

You ain't even mad at me?

You mad at a nigg that don't even exist no more.

I can tell an nigga that shit all the time.

Like, okay, bro, you're right, I'm mad at that nigga too, but I ain't him.

Speaker 3

So if I'm gonna come around you and it remind me or trigger me to be like because i'mnna feel like you know as me and some in you that's gonna be in you forever, it's like so, but if I come around you and you're showing me like.

Speaker 2

On faking it or you think I'm a whole them had to show you.

So prevention beats the.

Speaker 4

Cure, bro, Like listen, that's a lot of people that's watching that this is gonna hold onto that.

Speaker 2

It's like damn, bro, that's real.

Speaker 4

They're gonna hold on to it and it's gonna help shape their life, man, because a lot of people be in situations that they can prevent.

Speaker 2

Even myself, guess what I could have prevented being in certain situations, but if I wasn't wise enough.

But do you think if you have.

Speaker 3

Prevented it, you have this knowledge and this wisdom of back like you, cause if you have prevented it, and when all the way whatever happened, you've been so gullible with so many leeching.

You know how light I feel without lead?

Just like I feel light, I feel I don't feel heaven because my heart so big.

Our hearts is big exactly if certain things didn't happen to us, but we would have been and we ain't know.

We ain't no dogs, we ain't no green niggas.

But it's like sometimes our heart and our lord to would make us look like, by god, damn, you're a dunk because you can't see what this person that who you love and you so Lord, you can't really see they heart.

They're heart at the same as yours.

They don't mean you where to what you're giving them.

They're not gonna give to you like it's certain niggas.

I want to forgive so bad, but I do I forget anybody.

If a motherfucker take accountability, Bro, I forgive you, but that don't mean I can fuck with you.

You know what I'm saying, I can forgive you, like you know, I ain't gonna hold no grub but a motherfucker that it's gonna blakely lie in my face and be like I wasn't there too when this shit happened.

Speaker 2

You know what I'm saying.

You know you got this, like I want a part of this.

This didn't happen, Like, come on, bro, happened to me.

So you know, if you that kind of person, I know that what trigger me.

Speaker 3

It's like all right with your girl or something and she You know, the women, it's kind of hard for some of them to take account of bit and I don't put all of them in the bottle.

Speaker 2

Some of them it's hard, Like they're gonna lie to the bus side, you goddamn.

So let's be realistic.

Speaker 4

It's probably it's probably it's probably five to ten percent of women in this world, five to ten, my nigga out of temperate.

Okay, Yeah, I'm trying to get in the biggest.

Some women I don't want to be mad at me.

Probably about three percent, but they're like by most women.

But and I had to learn this, brother, when I came home motherfucker will know they did to the wrong.

And this is another thing I learned.

A person, you know, a woman can know they did to the wrong.

This ship right here, there's no different us looking at the floor.

And if a quarter on the floor, we see this quarter, you can't unsee this goddamn call.

You're telling me you don't see the quarter, but the quarter right there with all this ship is before your eyes.

You'll be allging back and forth.

Eight you will be breaking this ship down and layman's terms, like, hey, you you find the analogies, you find it.

Speaker 2

Any type of way to get this ship across to this quarter is make food like yourself.

And what the whole time you stressing you mad, you get you, you're like, damn, you don't see the got damn the whole time they see the goddamn quarter right there on the floor.

They just don't give a fuck that you're saying this quarter on together.

Speaker 3

What I'm gonna tell you, somebody how to losing some of these women is jay some of them, so delusion them, the motherfucker fixing.

Speaker 2

Their head where they don't see that quarter.

The motherfucker women can convince themself for their own lie the boy and cry every emotion that is, well, I know how to show you ain't lying, and it'll make you think, like is that quarter right though?

Yeah, you're gonna start like a tripping the best.

Speaker 3

You got some whole ass niggas got the same whole ass trait like women.

Yeah, they don't see that quarter neither.

Yeah, so when you see those type of niggas, bro, you have to eliminate yourself.

Prevention beats cure.

Speaker 2

And my thing is like, you know, I can't.

Speaker 4

I can't forgive people once they are accountable, but like you said, it's hard to fuck with them again.

Yeah, but like even a person that finally say I see the quarter, damn, how the fuck I ain't see the quarter, It's like, motherfucker, how could you not you saw that?

It's still quick.

It's like I appreciate the apology.

Accountability is everything to me, so I can respect your accountability.

It can make me want to communicate with you.

But like the reason that you're saying you ain't see this quarter, but these shoes is right here.

You got damn face side thirteen.

Probably you know whatever, you can't see the big shoe, Like when you tell me your reasoning.

It's like, man, you just better off just saying you sorry.

Yep, just say sorry and leave it alone because you're making me feel like I'm stupid.

Don't try to make me feel like I'm stupid.

That the worst shit in the world, bro.

Like, so this ain't you on campra Yeah, Bro, that ain't me it blury.

Speaker 2

Man, that that ship be sad.

Speaker 3

Bro, Hey, let me ask you something we get out of here, th Jay, Like I seen that you wrote a forty forty page letter to the victim family, right yeah, and they turned around and.

Speaker 2

It was like they were still like, basically fuck you.

Basically it's hard.

Speaker 4

It's hard to speak on that, brother, because they got every right to feel how they feel.

Like emotion, Yeah, I cried in the courtroom, bro, and you know me and from people that's hearing how I was.

Speaker 2

I ain't cried about no fucking prison, bro.

Yeah, really ship.

Speaker 4

I cried about seeing that family hurt, having to go through that pain and me, finally I can't hide from it the moment.

Speaker 1

It's like.

Speaker 2

God knew and I prayed to God about it, but I.

Speaker 4

Finally had to come to that that that point where I got to face them say Hey man, it's really what happened, bro, this ship devast I was heartbroken.

Speaker 2

I be hard.

Speaker 4

I prayed about it.

Every day I wake up, I pray about it.

So it's like it was an accident, true enough.

I shouldn't have even been.

Let these niggas pull me into that.

Speaker 2

That's the thing.

Speaker 4

I let these niggas trick me and pull me into the situation and somebody innocent.

Now I think about this ship all the time and how many situations were they were like hey boy and stuff, can you know?

Speaker 2

And some people can be And I'm like, no, hell no, I ain't never been like that.

I ain't never been on the fuck with tour.

It's like innocent people, no, no, for sure, no, Bro, that shit hurt me.

Bro.

So they have every right to feel how they feel, even though they know that's a great life.

Bro.

Speaker 4

It's like when a person is remorseful because you got people out here.

They brag about catching bodies.

It's all in the music, smoking our all this ship.

They brag about this ship like it's cool.

Like nothing's cool about this ship.

Granted, some nigga put themselves in fucked up they do fucked up shit, but things happen.

I'm never saying it's okay, though, but the families that hurt behind us, it's never okay to make them feel this way.

Bro, that shit don't go away.

Never never go away.

Twenty thirty years be them past and don't go away.

But the only thing that I didn't appreciate is like, I can't even you don't even sound right.

I don't pre fuck how I feel, but I want to speak on.

I tried, like I'm a person that's been remorseful.

I've tried to make amends.

I'm still that I'm always gonna try to make amends.

But it's like I wrote them before the page letter.

They wrote me back.

No, they wrote me first, and we started writing each other back and forth.

They've been to church with my family.

They said, they forgive me, they love me, you you know, like we all know it was an accident that the DA tried to paint it like it was any.

Speaker 3

Blood, you know, like they you know, they manipulated them.

I said, once we find out the truth, you know.

They was like, nah, we won't with that.

We're gonna go to the parole board on your behalf.

You know, you too, handsome, handsome to be caught up and shit like that.

You know, you should have been out here modeling and still doing your basketball stuff, all these things.

Speaker 4

So it was almost like I'm writing them this letter.

We writing each other back and forth where I'm finally fiting some relief.

It's like, man, like these people forgive me, but thank you God, Like God forgive me.

They forgive me.

But then the snap of a finger, but that shit just changed.

They took they took the letter and took it to TV one and made a show.

And I only I only know this because of the things that I know what I put in the letter, So all the stuff that I saw on that show.

When I was locked, it was like damn.

So my lawyer even came to me, she'll judge now, but she was like Javar.

She was like, you gotta get heart.

She was like, I'm seeing it, like I can tell some bullshit.

You're not a bad person, made a mistake, you're remorseful for.

She was like, but your good heart gonna get you in the world trouble.

She was like you like, no, you think get You're gonna be done for.

So I never forget, you know.

They were trying to suit me for a hundred million dollars.

I ain't we talked about this.

Yeah, I've never seen that A hundred million to do to get that.

And again, I don't want to sound like, man, I'm remorseful.

I hurt for them.

Speaker 3

Bro, I'm a person that won't to make it right, which I never much money.

Can't even fix that fixed.

You can never fix it honestly, so you can't make it right, but I want to try.

So at that point, I'm thinking, like, don't write, let us to the kids.

I'm like, and it made my heart.

I just felt better, like I have an opportunity when I get out if I keep writing and I keep talking to them to what we can have a relationship where even it sounds crazy, but.

Speaker 2

It was just my hopes because of how it was looking.

Man.

Speaker 4

You know when they when they let me out, you know, the family objected, they said, well he need to do all his time.

It was just like as if everything was just fake, like it never happened.

So that's what they are entitled to feel.

Speaker 2

The way they.

Speaker 4

They were like, damn, man, like, don't don't trick me, make like gave money gifts, like being in church with my family they prayed together, bro, and it like I'm hurt that I again, I let these sucker niggas trick me into doing crashing out, doing something that affected myself and somebody else and their family and their kids.

Speaker 3

I won't to make it right.

Man, you know my heart, but you don't even fun up for sure.

But it's like even with the Netflix ship, like to get up there, like I just said, like we ain't never you would think I'm gonna just fucked up, nigga.

I ain't never reached out.

I ain't never tried to.

But now because when they objected me getting out, like uh he did that?

He that in the third the judge like, okay, you released, but you can't have no contact with them.

That's not what I wanted.

Speaker 2

I thought that.

Speaker 3

Somehow try to mend a little bit.

Yeah they're not wrong, Yeah you feel what I'm saying, but it's like, damn.

I just the way it looked at first, and it was just like again, it ain't what you think.

Your heartbeat wont certain things like man, if they can truly forgive me and we can writing them letters back and forth, I thought I thought it was like we're.

Speaker 2

Gonna go to the parole board.

Speaker 4

They lied to us the gifts and the things that I was able to do at that time, and it was almost like when the money stopped or or I couldn't get them what they wanted because you got to thank the lawyers, the people stealing from it.

I ain't even we ain't even have time to talk about my cousins.

Speaker 2

Still not safe.

Speaker 4

It's like, bro, I can't do what y'all want me to do, but I'm here, I'm willing, I will.

It's never bro.

If I if I had a hundred million to get them right now, and I get them a hundred million and they're still like, hey, we need, we need it's something else that need to be done, like let's figure this out.

Like I'm gonna do it if I can do it, but just to like make me think that it was this way, and then at the end it was just like a trick, like you know, like fuck you, and again, I don't want to it's not about me, like they entitled.

Speaker 2

They got every fucking right, but you're saying you wish you could make it right, but I can't be in limbo trying to make it.

Speaker 4

I can't Thank you, bro, thank you saying it for I can't be It's like I can't be like thinking we like, okay, we we getting to this point, and then.

Speaker 2

It's like fuck you yeah, and it's like damn, Like.

Speaker 3

I be like, but you're saying you do understand the roller coasing emotions because like that's just like every day I wake up, I feel different bout day.

Speaker 2

Man gone.

Speaker 3

Some day I feel like damn this damn.

But some day I feel like, shit, I'm getting to it, and some days I be down, you know what I'm saying.

So it's like they gonna go through that for the rest of their life.

Speaker 2

So I give you I feel them, bro, like I.

Speaker 4

They know I'm remorseful or they know that if it was intentional to be harder to forget, like it was like, shit, you meant the goddamn I ain't.

Speaker 2

I didn't even know that New Folk was out there.

I know.

Speaker 4

I'm talking about not know, Like it's a possibility.

This nigga sitting on the front of me about by itself.

Speaker 2

And ship.

Speaker 4

Now that ship don't never go as playing nigga be God, damn, we're gonna go this way, like and this this is an unfortunate situation.

Speaker 2

Brought it out every day.

I wish it I could change God as my witness.

Speaker 4

I pray about it every day, even though they say, you know, you don't have to keep asking God for forgivening it's over and over again he forget.

Speaker 2

But I still do it.

Speaker 4

And I pray for the family, and I pray that they can that that one day we can get to a place even though it's hard, like like how you want us to forget, how you want us to feel, But it's just the fact of making me think like, damn, you you forgive me.

We gotta, we gotta, we gotta, it's a chance.

And then it's like h so, then I keep I'm human too, bro, you know it's like damn, and keep like, okay, we we we're getting closer.

And then it's like huh Now, sometimes you gotta you gotta protect yourself because I can't even talk to them right now.

I can't even be around them.

But that netflix shit hurts cause it's like, speak on how you feel about me, speak on the pain, and I can't even tell you how to feel.

But don't make it seem like we ain't by our family, we ain't ever talk, ain't nothing no gifts, no like that.

Speaker 2

We care.

We care.

I care.

We want to make this right.

You know what I mean?

Speaker 3

Some people don't give a fuck Black.

You notice that that nigga's out every day like that beat cases or go sit down and do five to ten years or have along, and people don't give no fucks.

I talked to one person when I was locked up.

He gonna know like we see this Like, I'm like, bro, like what you did?

Because he was locked up for murder he got a life sentence though he's been going like twenty four years.

I talked to him probably like three weeks ago, just checking on them.

But we were sitting at the table and I'm like, bro, what you did?

Don't neother fuck what you Mentally?

Speaker 4

You were like hell no.

A lot of people be like that.

A lot of people really don't like not talking bad about him.

Some people have to force themselves to not think about that and not having no stomach or conscious so that they can survive, so that they can keep pushing it.

Speaker 3

Fucks with me every day, bro, Now that because you ain't get the niggas who actually did you got niggash didn't?

You didn't give a fuck?

I want yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 4

No, because of my relationship with God, I would bro being I would seek forgiveness.

Speaker 2

But once you said forgiveness, you're gonna be forgive right then I want them them.

Speaker 3

It's certain, nigga that when you go to robbing old ladies and robin pregnant women and the ship that they were doing, the killing they were doing, like I like, it's this is an innocent.

Speaker 2

Probaly wouldn't have never gotten caught you you man, That's.

Speaker 3

How they wouldn't even pursued it.

I know that they weren't even they wouldn't even pursued it.

Speaker 4

Look at all the cases that happened like that, and they dropped the charges of don't go after them.

Speaker 2

They weren't even pursued it.

Speaker 4

But an innocent person but not even it ain't like I got damn them for just straight up the whole.

Speaker 2

No, that ain't how it happened.

I don't know.

Speaker 4

The person out there, street lights is out, shouldn't have been doing the ship.

Shouldn't never let the niggas suck a niggas trip.

Speaker 2

Me into this.

Speaker 4

A bullet bounces off the ground, bro, There's a lot of people don't even know that the but the nigga dove and I'm shooting at the ground.

I'm shooting, I'm shooting, he dove, I'm hearing at him.

And I hate even I hate talking about this.

I hate even going back there.

A bullet hits off of the ground, ricochets off the ground, don't hit her in over here, and sin which I hate that it happened, period, hits her in her for more arter bro off the ground directly into her for more.

Oh my god, and she bleeds out.

Speaker 2

Bro.

You know how I feel like I had to work like Nigga, you got the worst fucking lucky in the world.

Nigga that somebody like this ship happened to you over here.

You're trying to let it go.

You go out of town.

We ain't even get into that.

Speaker 4

I go out of town to run from the situation, not running from niggas, like my mind, I'm running for myself.

Speaker 2

Come back.

Remember that the same the same night we get rocked.

Nigga, it happened again, and then this you off the ground.

Speaker 3

You feel like you were just sparling in that time, like she was just sparling for you.

Why, Like I mean, on a spiritual attack.

Speaker 4

Anybody who ain't got no relationship with God, like you don't understand the spiritual rem It's just like I was on an attack left and right because you was around.

Speaker 2

The stuff that was happening to me is not normal, Bro, you know, back to back to talk about on him.

We're not we're not.

We not making excuses for me.

I'm not making excuses.

Bro, you were there for the ship was not It was.

Speaker 4

Like boom boom, boom boom, like I'm trying to go out of time to get away, keep training, come back.

Something else happened, boom trigger.

The nigga's still woofing.

I ain't never wanted none of that.

I ain't never want none of them.

Speaker 2

Problem.

Speaker 4

I want to go get me.

I wanted to go get me a hundred million.

It's life, though, man, you know, unfortunately, but man, I've been mentoring and coaching.

I've been doing some some uh some streaming stuff, you know, all this new streaming.

It's it's different ways and different things I've been doing.

Speaker 2

Man, in the.

Speaker 4

Opportunit across my path, about to about to work on a book.

I'm about to work on the book because Bro, this the this was therapeutic today.

But I mean, like I've been through so much ship and holding it in like where like I'm the only one taking lists and suffering and for us raining all this negative ship about me and making up stuff or making tiktoks and it's life.

But every person that did something to me that got me to this point was spared.

It was spared, but we sp but even we.

Speaker 2

Spared a couple of niggas we got to do a part two.

We spared a couple of niggs.

Speaker 4

A couple of nia even like we ain't talk about the throwt tweet what tweet the stuff that Rollo put out.

Speaker 2

And don't you know, I don't have a problem with tweeted.

Speaker 4

It was some tweet about crime start like where thought either liked or reposted, uh the warrant like I was wanted for murder in that situation, you know what I mean?

He either liked it or reposted it.

And you know him and Rollo going back and forth and saw that before before I didn't know that he did.

But it's it's they put it out and so I was surprised, like damn, what put it on the store and they spread on like different little media outlet.

He took you what what it is supposed to say?

It like what like it's just like you know, Javar's Credington wanted from arrested or want it for murder and he posted it or.

Speaker 2

Liked it.

Speaker 4

However, it was l trying to call him out, like nigga, you've been working with crime stoppers all that stuff.

Speaker 2

But I don't get caught up in it.

Me and thug, all right, I talked.

I talked to the.

Speaker 4

Before the day before he took his pleaded, talked to him for a hour.

You know, I mean trying to impart some wisdom other niggas.

So when I talk, when I talk about Cleveland Avenue and Rock Crew, and it ain't all of them, it ain't all of them because I'm I'm I'm from Captain Home and I'm from Cleveland Avenue, So it ain't them.

Some niggas over there I look up and they love me.

It ain't all.

It's the sucking niggas that some of the same sucker niggas that told on him.

But it's like, I ain't gonna lie that ship got damn Yeah, I'm like, damn bro.

Speaker 2

Oh oh, you're saying basically like he did.

Speaker 3

It was back then.

Yeah, yeah, it's not new.

Look up the girl who got shot, she probably grew up with them too, though, right she did.

Speaker 2

She she grew up but I didn't know it, but everybody grew up together.

And it was like, basically he wanted justice for her.

He's he showed his justice for her.

Is that what you're saying?

I don't know you you got see it, But my thing is like, bro, you know what the fuck nigga did me?

Was like, okay, we're all on the same page as far as like justice for her, even though of course nobody want to go to prison.

You want to repent before God.

We're all on the same page.

Like it's wrong.

It's not a good street.

Speaker 4

It was some streets ship at the time that y'all put not him, but your niggas that's around your nigga, that that's your best friend.

Y'all niggas with you.

You ain't them, but you you all y'all want so like y'all nigga know what y'all did to me?

Bro, I didn't come fucking with y'all.

Speaker 2

Nigga.

Speaker 3

I'm getting a haircut, I'm leaving.

I don't fuck with nobody.

Y'all come do this to me.

Not only do that, but sitting Sudney Wolf tickets, what y'all gonna do?

Put the ad basketball player, nigga, we're gonna rob We're gonna extort you.

And then when something happened and we hate again it's not right, we hate that that happened.

But now it's like, oh, I'm gonna put this out.

Oh I'm gonna like this and post.

Speaker 4

This, and again I'm not I'm not bringing this up to send shots to him, you know what I mean.

I don't get caught up in that, even though guess what, that was my man and he was your man to I talked to his mama, off, I talked to his brother.

These my people, but we know each other.

Speaker 2

Two.

Speaker 4

I don't take I don't.

I don't get caught up in that.

But it's like, bro, it's a lot of bullshit that don happened in these streets.

It's a lot of bullshit.

And certain niggas kept winning and kept coming out on talk even with the fucker that they had going on, So like, stay silent, why do that?

Why put that out?

Speaker 2

You know what I mean?

Like I give what you're saying here, I give what you're saying.

I ain't telling y'all niggas.

I didn't point out the nigga that robbed me.

I ain't gonna put that on the internet.

I didn't do that.

You can't pull that up on me.

I didn't tell on boot.

I didn't you Javar's Cristinson ain't even have got done interrogation room telling on nobody.

Nobody.

Speaker 4

I done got pulled into cases in La that ain't got nothing to do with, absolutely nothing to do with me.

Nobody never told on nobody.

Speaker 2

Y'all.

Speaker 4

Y'all came and did something to me, and I was minding my business, not fucking with no, not withish your harm on nobody.

And then it's ah, he a bad niggas on the news, nigga making state man.

If I let you hear the goddamn I had one hundred and I had one hundred and some witnesses against me.

Not the nigga that that that played basketball.

There one in the streets like that there was around it, but one in the streets like all these street niggas.

All y'all got there and want me to follow and tell it on me.

And oh way, we're going to the video and audio.

Oh my goodness, man, let me.

Speaker 3

Hear all that ship Part two on the way, let me hear that they need.

Let me do my homework and we come back.

Man, No, Bro on g ship.

Those environment helping you out.

Bro, happy that you're in the different minds.

Have you able to unpack some of this ship?

But I know it's a lot more of this ship, So we gotta do a part too soon.

Speaker 2

You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3

When the book, when stuff finished working on the book and start working on the book.

So we discussed the book, Bro, and I wish you never prospered in longevity.

Speaker 4

Bro, thank you for having me, Bro, thank you for letting me unpack all this ship that I've been holding in for so long.

We gotta do me be myself and and doing it the way were supposed to be done.

Speaker 3

Part two on Big Fat Man shot set it up.

We're gonna do part two on Big Fat with Jay and the screen so they can get I appreciate you, Bro, you looking good spirit talking about your spirit looking good.

Speaker 2

Bro, I appreciate you.

Bet Now, Hey, make sure y'all go light to strive and come into the Big Fat Network, but she cuts me out.

Speaker 1

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